 And we're back with the breakfast time for us to go through the papers this morning. We have to make wallah. Well, it was a legal practitioner He joins us this morning by phone In Lagos, two days. Good to have you join us. Good morning All right, then let's take a look at the punch Naira crisis wassons confusion over CBN silence on old notes and legal tender stardusts pure as agents customers fumes protesters barricade road and Matthew Lee justifies Naira redesign Accuses political party of mop-up. These are riders you find underneath resist in tarium government Temptation of any fairy tales barry, but you know, I remember when the fanny fairy We're on the path of saying We shouldn't have an election if we don't have like a constitutional Accurate review and one would say don't we have a time to encourage that? So we shouldn't have elections, but it's it's it's very interesting to note that this is the position of the fanny fairy Revenue Commission to review politician salary. I need to keep sensitive election materials with the central bank of Nigeria That's a U-turn Namanis use PDP IU and restates backing to new boo. Okay NYSE Warns call members against crime as orientation ends and just before move away from that trapped at quick victims cry for help that's told on for two one thousand two hundred and Contempt to FCC kicks a CSO demand bowels removal they goes past the begs wife Jail for impregnating two sisters quite unfortunate All right, let's move straight to the next paper Some similar headlines to what you have in the punch this day on Wednesday with the following headlines a big one there Presidency FG CBN to take position on currency swap after Supreme Court's determination today 15th February I think today we can say is d-day as far as that is concerned 2023 election this day to report intervention. Okay, something you may want to read there fish Now due to face post-election economic policy challenges, and of course, I think that may be the ratings the economic ratings body fish Taj Banks becomes first corporate to list super-bond on NGX Buhari Hills party on appointment as Gavi CEO and So the headlines on the front page of this day Well move away from the d-stay newspaper and we take a look at the daily independent That's what we have here confusion anger-possessed as Naira nodes exchange crisis worsens February 10 deadline on all Naira node stands and Matthew Lee saying and I know there's a lot of people are still using the old note some persons actually in the cost of your transaction Protesters stomp CBN in on door and demand banks to collect old notes Well, I don't think that the CBN saying they won't get the old note, but I think it's no longer A means of transaction so long a valid means of transaction where you can still remit that there's a procedure To all of that down to due to sanctioned banks businesses that reject ordinary nodes. Oh, that's quite interesting new narrow notes of the CBN Facing sabotage from 10 governors CSO's quota to say 120 CSO's petition now since this EFCC boss must go and serve prison 10 48683 luggage missing delayed in Nigeria in 12 months and I just take this one before move away for the want of time implementation of the Naira Swap politically motivated. That's what we case saying Espresses joy over independence man of the Year Ward. That's it on the daily independent All right, we take just a few stories from the other nation the big one there legal giants knock it may feel a for disrespecting Supreme Court Timber will deliver as president will hurry tell supporters as at emo rally and I will bring in our guest this morning to Nicole Ola and incidentally he is a Legal practitioner of no mean repute. I think Tender call over your best place to answer or to give your thoughts on to give thoughts rather on this One the other papers have talked about the Naira Swap policy. We have something in that on the daily independent We have something on that in front of the this day new super today and indeed the big story on the punch newspaper, but let's take The headline of the nation because it's bringing in the legal anger. What is your opinion? Are you going to join the legal giants? The nation is by citing to knock Emilia for disrespecting in their words disrespecting the Supreme Court with Saying no extension of deadline despite this injunction that has been on for some time now First and foremost I like to Impassives with all Nigerians Who have been in Vietnam? This has implicated in Julie that we have in our hand with regards to the legal Issues that are involved these are these The entire immortal of the Supreme Court of Nigeria my take is that No matter how uncomfortable The decision of a court may be whether it's the customary court Magistrate court I court court of appeal or the Supreme Court That decision should be obeyed and respected Any alternative to death is killed and anarchy. It will lead to instability so The Fibian governor is not bigger than the Supreme Court and The Fibian governor in the first instant Can be set to have created The problem that we have in our hands Now that the Supreme Court has given me kind of live line With regards to the environment here as bongos. I should think that It should assist the opportunity and use that window of extension That the Supreme Court has given him to do the needful so insist That the deadline will remain as it were while it was a pronoun by the central bank of Nigeria will be a willful disregard or it will be contemptors of the decision of the Supreme Court anybody Who is seen to be contemptors of the court or competence judicial Can be punished or sanctioned by that court More especially when it is the highest court in the land Okay, so they call a wallet. Let's move to the daily independent newspaper now They are consents and of course you have civil society Organization and other Nigerians who are protesting and asking for the removal of Bauer Abdul Rashid Bauer Who is the EFCC boss saying that? His consistency in disobedience of court orders infringement on human rights is one. He has to serve a prison term What are your thoughts really? Well, it's not too different from What I've just said now that no matter how much of the court may be That's the decision now to be respected that the chairman of EFCC has been consistently disobeying court orders Without any justifiable reason. I want to align myself or talk the decision of the civil society groups That have said that the man should be removed For not having respect for the court and for not obeying court orders Because like I said If you disobey court orders, it is an invitation to an appeal but the issue now is Who is going to enforce a court order? That is made again The chairman of EFCC That is made against the secretary general of police Or the director of GSS, the director of GSS or the chief of army staff We don't have the mechanism in this part of the world to really enforce Whatever decisions are made against those persons And you and I do know it is exactly the arm of government It is Mr. President That this people report to And the attorney general of the federation That should really insist or enforce Or make sure that some of these people In the executive arm of government Who are disobeying court orders Are made to obey those court orders But If they are principled, that is Mr. President And the attorney general Is also not keen on not giving the presidency the right advice On the need to always obey court orders Then we have the effect of accomplishing In our hands But the dangers are too many But truth of the matter is We don't have the mechanism To enforce the general of the court Against these persons And these persons also Have not contributed What happens is a moderate jurisdiction And which ones are invited by the court Most times What people do Is to resign their appointment From those places But here It is always business as usual And nobody Will likely sanction them For calling on business as usual Interesting Tunde Kolo, let's Go over to the Daily independent The paper is still keeping us informed Of what's been going on With the co-allegation Situation and Femi, Fani, Kaede Whom you're quite familiar with The paper says The DSS has grilled him And has advised The spokespersons of political parties And candidates to You know, to have A caution, excise caution As regards the utterances We here in Atticus 8 Is saying that he should apologize to Atticus Abu Bakar and the Nigerian military What are your thoughts on this piece? I agree with the DSS that What Chief Fani, Kaede Said Is totally Absurd And has the capacity To really delay The transition Of the election that we do have in our hands It's also a very, very serious implication For the military chiefs To go out, Fani, Kaede Is saying That the military chiefs In Convance Or conspiracy With a large Atticus Abu Bakar Are out to Carry out a coup And forfeit The next coming election And probably Put this Democracy And republic Into geopolitics Anybody who has been following The antecedents Of Fani, Kaede Already know That the man is consistently Inconsistent It is What should say Or whatever he thinks Who has this principle At any particular point in time That he goes out to say And he goes out to pursue The One that I have is that Why the Nigerian media Will continue to give prominence To whatever that kind of an inconsistent Opposition says In front of eating of the polity In front of saying I mean anything again People is over my principle Once You are no longer in the position To butter his bread Then you should be ready To be at the receiving end Of his atonement And I think at his age He also has The packet From this kind of a horrible And inconsistent And you and I do know too That he's not just in the area of politics That he's been Making all these gaps Even at the domestic level At the outside level He has been consistently inconsistent My advice would be That the Nigerian media Should As much as possible Be very careful With whatever they pick up from I mean from family coyote When they want to report it I also think That a larger group of workers Can go to courts To seek damages For the other thing that Family coyote has made Because it's a damage To a larger group of workers' reputation It is also damaged To demand chances At the forthcoming Presidential election Because ultimately This kind of voter Will not want to vote for a coupist And demand a fuse Of planning a coup I think the Yamichis Can also go to court to seek A redress And of course The DSS can also prosecute Family coyote For the false alarm Because When you raise a false alarm Or you make a chance To gather the capacity To kind of undermine Public peace Then you might have a case to answer In the court of competent jurisdiction Okay Let's move away to Other issues still on the Daily independent newspaper What we're looking at is the concerns By the NUC To seed 70% Of its regulatory powers to the Senate To determine the curriculum And content of universities In Nigeria. In other words This means that each university Management will be able to establish The accursed content Or curriculum exclusively Do you think that this solved The problem of our curriculum Over time that's been criticized Does that solve a curriculum Issue seeding powers to the Senate? 70% of that Ordinarily In most of the developed countries Of the world The universities or the institutions Have the powers and the latitudes To determine The cost content Of whatever Disciplines or courses Or subjects Are decreasing the institutions Or in their universities Or whatsoever But Here In Nigeria The situation is slightly different In the sense that Most of the public universities Are financed By the federal government The state universities are financed By the state government And if it is the federal government And the state government That are financing most of these universities That see who pays the paper Ordinarily may call the team And why will the paper call the team? It's because Every government Especially the developing environment Like our own Who want to see the university curriculum Align With the developmental aspirations With the planning Of the country at the old Not that the university Protects all the institutions Who will be teaching the different subjects In an Passage manner Without aligning those things With the aspirations of the development plan Of the country at the old The reason Why the NUC for example National University Commission Was established Was to be able to streamline Was to be able to coordinate The activities that take place On the different university campuses And some of these higher institutions If that is the case Then You will have to amend The NUC Act And also maybe Public give the university The autonomy That they have been yearning for All this for a while I think Given our level of development I will not support A situation With solely becoming Their own curriculum I'll give you an example In a place like The University of Ibada for example A subject like classic Is feeding thoughts And only a few students Apply for those courses On a yearly basis I should thank If We were looking at a resource That has been dissipated Looking at course To a number of students We should have told something about it Maybe make classics Part of a large degree program Maybe we could make classics Part of those who study the languages Maybe we could Make classics Put it in the general studies department In which at least All students who study the universities Will have opportunity To study Latin And classics Because one way or another You'll find out that in working life In real life You will at one time Have something to do with Latin Have something to do with classics Just as it affects Those who study or those who practice Law Furthermore I have seen a situation in which We need to balance the ratio Of the number of students Who are going for the science courses These are these the art courses Too many students Are looking for The simplest The easiest way out They apply more for the art subjects While the sciences are suffering And you know The discipline of the subject Of his country requires him to develop And the sciences You need to study mathematics You need to study additional math You need to study engineering You need to study chemistry You need to study physics If you want to catch up With the rest of the world In the area of Science In the area of artificial intelligence In IT, in computer And water The situation in which about 70 to 80% of our students Going for the art subjects Does not all go well For the scientific development Of the country What are the possibilities That's something that we should even be Having a sleepless night over As far as the forthcoming elections Are concerned To the best of my knowledge I think there are 20 to 30 people That have been on share With the president Thanks to that number Because the world has not Means wealth That he deserves To hand over power To the politically elected president Governors And that he will require A very very credit And that he will not waver In ensuring That we have a very critical election A few days ago You went to commission Some of the equipment That were bought for the Nigerian police And while he was addressing The police chiefs He admonished them And not at them Not to compromise The integrity of the forthcoming elections So if a man has been at the forthcoming If a man has been saying that And not to show That kind of a person Will again be abhorning The hidden agenda of having an Italian government You and I will remember That it is the aspect of the people That have been insisting On an Italian government That will support a Australian government And then review the constitution And after we have reviewed the constitution We have now gotten The constitution that is suitable That we do now And the different regions of the country want Now we can now Go And then Organize elections And get people back Into the democracy track Democracy is not A day affair A very weak affair America has been thinking Has been developing democracy For 400 years Some countries have also been on it For more than 200 years It is not a thing that happens overnight So I would rather insist And admonish That we should allow The people in the national assembly The people In the discipline of government The people at the local government And other To begin to think up And grow this democracy Learn to do the way it should be done Until we nearly reach a state of perfection Such as they have In the U.S. In Brazil Even with those developing advanced democracy Look at what happened in America Not in the last election In which a donor thought Was sent To have nearly two pools For 400 years Also not too long ago In Brazil In Buenos Aires or whatever they call it Hasn't been defeated in the presidential election Also organized an Interaction In which people Those who have been elected Into some Of these offices by the people So when it lies With the people of Nigeria Not with the government More with the national assembly And the state assembly Let us learn to cross Before we begin to work Alright, Tunde Kola Wali I mean it's very apt that you have raised Some of this consent One would begin to say that the group The affinity for probably might be double speaking Because when you say You need the constitution to be reviewed To the latter before we can have An election and here you're saying The president should not consider The country should not consider An entire government We begin to wonder what that means Well, quickly In less than a minute because we have to Course this conversation down And it's about the Empire that saddled with the responsibility Of conducting elections Credible elections in Nigeria They have made a U-turn That's how the punch describes it As to where sensitive election Materials will be kept Remember that at some point Nigerians' race consents As to the sanctity of Materials being kept With the CBN When the CBN governor had indicated Interest of vying for political office In the party and so Then it was suspended The empire immediately stated That there will no longer keep Sensitive materials with the CBN Now there's a change of mind What do you think could be responsible Decision by INEC I think INEC doesn't want His work to be tainted Because If you have the edge of the CBN That It's time to be Obnobbing with politicians And who are showing Interest all have been alleged To have shown interest Inviting for context The presidency of the country Then if you are INEC You will be careful With that kind of a person Because if anything goes wrong You are going to be blamed For Taking some of those sensitive materials To CBN When you do know That the head of the CBN Is a partisan person And the problem becomes A little more dangerous But it's not that the man is Interested in politics He is said to be a Karkari member Of a party that is in power To take If a chance you keep the material With the CBN And you do the election And the party in power now wins The election We will not decide That the CBN has used the material In accepting this custody To inflame the outcome I think this is the danger That I make my decision If they insist On keeping the material With the CBN But we must be very careful The CBN governor is also passing There are thousands of people working in the CBN I mean There are several directors I'm not too sure That the CBN governor alone Can unilaterally release those Hatilias Without the other governors Without the other governors Without the directors Without the members of the board And other people working in the CBN Colluding Conspiring and connecting With them And it's not that the CBN In the past There are in the course of years to use Some of these Banks To keep some of their materials Which the country that is going on In the banks today Could even out this I mean that Those materials It happens from time to time I mean No cause for alarm right there But today Kola we apologize For the interruption We have to go But we are grateful for your time Thank you very much I expected it happens I think this is one of those TV moments But we have more discussions ahead We'll be looking at the Naira And of course Nigerian economy We expect it to go cashless To a large extent And have been obtaining previously What does this mean As we approach The years ahead We're talking about the future Of Nigeria's cashless policy Stay with us