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We'll explain it in our members only stream So if you want to become a member you should go to youtube.com slash MRO slash join to support us and bless this mess That we are today and just want to give everybody a big shout out We've got Ryan on board with us today Ryan. How we doing? alright You look like you look like a very unhappy cyclops from my point of view here and YouTube's point of view so Nobody has blinded you very clearly Then we also have Dolly so glad to have you aboard with us Hello, am I audible? Yes, we can hear you very good clearly audible. That's the important part seeing me is not so important in my case I'm not as pretty all right All right, and then also we've got Dada here on board a station. How's it going Dada? I don't know what I'm doing Don't we all With that there and then I am your host Jared with you all here today making the most of what we've got here and You all are telling us that you can't hear Ryan so Ryan we might have to Work on you a little bit and actually what I'm gonna do with that Dolly, yes, we go ahead and start with you. What is it that you really wanted to talk about today? Oh Gosh, that would be I've got a couple of things I'm all into this whole thing about the Mars sample which I think it is a wildly importanty kind of thing well worth the money and Oh heck the money. Oh my good the money extra quarter billion Let's see if I can find Alan Stern here has a lot to say about They're pouring an extra quarter million and and Alan is saying a lot about That's really putting the pinch on everybody else So very much we'd like to to hear everybody's opinions on about how the trades of Making sure one thing works at the expense of delaying something else that kind of thinking Yeah, I will say that if anyone is in a good place to talk about What exactly is occurring in planetary science and in addition to that sort of the overall Political landscape and funding landscape at that Alan Stern is Very very well set for that. Not only is he the principal investigator on NASA's new horizons mission Which did the fly by a Pluto in 2015? He was also the associate administrator of NASA science mission directorate for a year starting in 2007 so who knows politically and The internal workings of what you need to do with the NASA mission and I Gotta say if that's a good position to be able to make it and his very strong words about the fact Yes, that things are starting to get very out of hand and that we're gonna begin to start seeing missions kind of Cutting out because of that very very true ringing true with a lot of folks and a lot of frustration in NASA's science divisions at the sort of eating away that that these These big flagship projects seem to have been doing for about the past decade now, and it seems to only be getting worse Jolly Willie. Yeah. Okay. Yes The indeed the this thing with Sorry, I lost my track. Please continue. Oh, yeah. Well, you know If you look at the most recent Most recent missions that are coming from NASA obviously the The unbelievable near universal in size almost eight point four meters in size budget overruns and Timeline overruns of the Jellyscope Wellescope Space Telescope In addition to that Missions like Psyche not exactly helping with their delay with that Even something like the insight mission which had to be delayed. I'll be I'll be it because of a Instrument problem with that, but it's still required a very large sum of money on top of what was an already expensive mission in order to Smooth that over and work that out with that there. So Yeah, overall I Wonder what it is. I Personally wonder what it is. Are we missing something somewhere in terms of like the education of project management? Are we forgetting about the fact that there are these things called budgets and timelines? And I know the old Joe L is on time on Mars on schedule or on budget on time on Mars pick two Yes Maybe we got to figure out a way to teach ourselves in order to actually pick all three What does that look like people significantly smarter than than myself are most certainly going to be able to figure things like that out I'm just but one yak yak. I don't know how to pull that off. I only know how to how to scream to the void With that. So we'll have to see with that there, but it's screaming to the void effective I don't I don't think so it hasn't been very effective so far Okay, yeah, so far screaming to the void has not been the effective thing I Would invite ideas on if you wanted to make change what would be the best ways some people write to their congress people I don't know is that a waste of time. I'll leave that to you chat. You know tell us in the comments Yeah, and actually I was gonna jump right into the chat room because JT TV is saying that NASA has gotten bad with scope creep Which is very very true basically the idea as to The idea as to what NASA should be doing. It's gotten them the waters have become very very muddied with that there And overall it's just not exactly Fantastic with it there Trying to just kind of run through with this here and then loopy Bringing up actually I feel like a good point Which is that they've always been this bad It's what killed Pluto Kuiper Express in the 1990s, and that's very very true as well, which Coincidentally Alan Stern continuing his work was able to move forward and and get the new horizons mission to be born of that there And as Eka is reminding us which I think this is a very good Point to be made here, which is that polite Handwritten letters are the best when communicating to your Congress Critter because after all we live in a world of no bucks No buck Rogers So if we really want to start talking about these things we really have to We really have to If we can't get the prices of these things down then maybe we need to figure out How do we convince Congress to throw in the extra dollars? What do you got dolly? I Congress Yeah, they're a bunch of slow pokes They weren't gonna get down to it all we got to do is fool a bunch of rich people into thinking that there's a unique mining opportunity That they can alone get to first Well, the the critical portion of that is that And you know, we've often heard that as well, you know, oh just have Have Somebody chuck a billion dollars to help make a private rover for Mars, right? That's that's something that I've heard thrown around as a solution a multitude of times the really great thing about NASA is that that Data once it's done with its principal investigators of whichever instrument it is that data is immediately released and Handed out to whoever wants to use it to do whatever kind of study work with it and with Private industry and commercial stuff. That's if you you never know if that's something that's actually gonna end up like actually Materializing or happening completely in terms not to say what right in terms of Mm-hmm. I keep step exploits No exploits in terms of exploration and science. I absolutely agree. We got to do this as a society because we don't want to set up a An alignment where Some small groups gather the unique benefit from it and skin keep it from the rest of us In the long run there there are going to be commercial Exploitations and I think we do want to in a limited way Have that out of space free notwithstanding. I think we do want asteroid mining we do want companies to be able to lay a mining claim to an entire asteroid and Suck up all the juicy yummy nuggets of all of it and sell it to us And as many companies and as many asteroids as they want go Yeah, I actually like this idea here from that fan that fan good to have you that Have a senior in a while in the chat room even that even if you've been there But this one's pretty cool, which is getting asked to put up a prize a month ago Yeah, put up a prize one billion dollars for one kilograms and sample from Mars private industry go So that would actually be a really neat way of doing it. That's almost like commercial crew But for getting getting some rocks and regolith and atmosphere samples back from Mars, and I think that would Would actually be pretty cool. I like Bennett here at Bennett is already calling it the m-prize I Want five of them. I want to spend five billion dollars and The first five fully independent Fit all of the planetary protection and they are independent enough that they couldn't have contaminated each other Missions that get back a kilogram the first five get a billion. So it's not just the winner who wins That first line They're funded Yeah, you know that kind of reminds me of sort of the Google Lunar X prize Or those of you who are are very old so old you can remember when space flight now actually had comment sections on their articles Back in those days The Google Lunar X prize was this idea that they were going to get private companies to actually land on the moon and Do certain milestones and make certain? Cash prizes per milestone like land within X distance of an Apollo landing site take pictures of an Apollo landing site drive X amount of meters Do 10 so regular samples or something and that was a very It was a very productive because we got things like Astrobotic and the Hakuna are Mission that just came out of that and and a whole host of other very small Companies that are now off and running With that there. So Yeah, as Bennett elder is saying in this Which is that og X price was fun? So it really was it was a thoroughly entertaining thing in our veil I think has a really important idea here, which is actually kind of how The Google Lunar X price was was working because I'm not sure a billion is enough for companies to take that risk We might need to put up the price value or award part of it as milestones are reached That was Google Lunar X price the milestone kind of way with it there. Don't worry our veil. You're good Yeah Yeah, it was It was it's an interesting concept But I don't know if it's ready for showtime yet just because of how those things operate with it there So yeah, pretty pretty neat. So wow Dali that was that was pretty pretty How do we say? dramatic in terms of what's been going on lately With that there and I want to talk a little bit about a small friend visiting or Actually, should I say returning? From from a place and let me see if I could get this to work As well as I want it to and it does not look like it is Gonna do it to allow me to do this real quick But did you know that China has their own space plane? Straight up. Did you know that China has their own space plane called Shen Long and That space plane was in space for 276 days and now it has finally come home. So that is a I'm showing a little model here if you could see it of the actual Shen Long one of the designs that's not of To be with it there. I don't know if it's coming through. Oh, there it is and Yeah, it is essentially China's answer to the United States X 37 these Orbital space plane that the United States Space Force formerly Air Force now Space Force Well, actually technically formerly NASA formerly Air Force formerly Space Force worked with and We don't know much about Shen Long. Yeah, honestly We actually don't even really know if this is the real design of it It has had images of it taken at the end of the runway where it would land at In the middle of the desert in Northwestern China but outside of Just a couple pixels of that there This is essentially speculative as to what it would look like but it does serve the same purpose Which is to carry experiments into space and then return them to the surface of the earth and like I said Roughly 276 days with it there and Yeah, it Very interesting secretive ultra secretive double double secret if you will Even the launch of it was near secretive. It took it took quite an effort From observers to do it, but yes Bennett I like this one here Which is yay cold war copying space planes. Everything old is new again. Very very true And yeah, it's uh, it's it's sort of a continuation of the escalation of a Space race between the united states and china That's going on at the moment. So just in case you were unaware So I find I find it absolutely fascinating that this is occurring right now Without many people knowing about it. Um, and what what do you have there dolly? Is that that is a scale ruler and my question is How big is that thing? Relative like and be or my microphone or banana Oh, uh, how big is the shenlong? Yeah, the shenlong i'm looking at it. It could be a lego toy. It could be I could stand up and slide it I I don't know. How big is that thing? Um from what I understand it is about the same size as the voting x 37 and that So that middle in the bit in the top could open up and there's a room enough for a few Kerbals and for them to connect and share the kerbals between the x 37 b's and We don't know anything about that. Obviously. We don't that's completely speculation. If I knew I couldn't tell you Stop asking. Yeah, I was gonna say it's gonna be more than just a few kerbals because the x 37 b's that about Just about nine liters or just about 30 feet long so big Yeah, so don't but don't tell I don't think it's a science lab that you and I Think of in terms of like science labs. Um, it's it's a bit more like a testing ground Uh, like will the system actually perform the the military purpose that it's supposed to? Um But overall Uh, overall they're they're both probably very similar in what they're actually doing. Um And then it's just like tearing it up tonight in the comment section Uh, which is uh, just having it's having to look over here. Uh, which is wind dream chaser. So, uh You and I both Bennett. We both want want that little snoot boop and uh, space plane to finally just fly already So, but maybe this year. I can't remember. Um, when it's supposed to be I think it's supposed to be towards the end of this year. Vulcan has to fly first Um, a couple of times which I want to say did anybody see the paint job that they're flying on vulcan I keep seeing different livery Swoopy big big stuff. Why? Cool. Yes. Well, because it looks cool. That's why Yeah, because it's like yeah, that's weird. That seems out of character for you la I'm not, well, I mean I said they don't go for cool. Usually is their first goal Fair enough. Uh, with that there, I could I could understand why even a quiet base sort of feel that way. Um With it, but I mean they're you know, give them a break. They're trying their best. They're trying Tori, good, good on you You've impressed me go ahead Yeah, I was gonna say ever since Tori came on they've kind of uh broken the mold a little bit With with some of their their idea or with what they feel like they should be doing Themselves on that right and I just brought it up here real quick to see In case nobody's seen it yet, uh, just how cool That that vulcan Is and I think we might have a Sounds like we got a Ryan back possibly All right, look at that. Yeah, their logo looks like a little forgetting started Yeah No, but Just for fun It's just letting itself on fire Yeah, it's it's a throwback. It's it's fine. It'll it'll I don't actually I don't think so not with methyl ox, right? They're not gonna it's it uses methane Instead of hydrogen or kerosene You know, I don't think methyl ox does the the big whoosh of fire up the thing with it and our veil Do you have to agree this rocket's got style? Except that once and then Elon said, oh no, that was fine. No way to know that wasn't Jttv says the flame is going the wrong way That's very true jttv the hot bit should be going down, uh, not up, but Uh, I'm sure that when the time comes the hot bit will go in the correct direction Um, I would certainly hope so. Um, who is that there? I don't know if I've actually ever seen a rendering of vulcan Without that cool paint job So I wonder what it's actually going to end up looking like Like so because I know I've seen one where it was like an American flag paint job And then they finally were like, okay, maybe we should actually Like like add flourish to it and put it put the American flag somewhere else on it If I'm not mistaken, I think that's the vulcan logo the v and the v makes a flame Yes So it's it's it's not it's not a flame. It's the vulcan logo Yeah, so I'm just going to zoom in there for you all as we do this live That's the logo. Oh, that's nice. And you can also check out those pixels. Yeah, yeah So yeah, it's gotta be so very very nice twitter's finest. All right, so anyways That's pretty amusing With that there did we have a right in back or am I just hearing the audio coming from somewhere else? I think you're probably hearing me Okay, gotcha. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, you're you're definitely good to throw that in there as well Oh, my gosh, Bennett's just Working with oh, okay. Gotcha. So loopy. I don't know if we should be throw this on the air yet With that which loopy saying that they use common avionics package which was designed to fly Or unify atlas and delta on vulcan. Okay, that makes sense And of course, there's more props are available saying the vulcan paint job is amazing and I I do have to agree on that. It is amazing. It's beautiful I want them to do a delta blue on it. Maybe one day with it And then our avail again saying that they did a cryo test today And they're apparently targeting monday for a static fire. So that's exciting. It's finally working So, um Yeah, holy moly. That was really really cool. Um, so and Bennett is saying that they painted they painted one like iron patriot very nicely done Um, again Bennett just bringing it today very very good. All right dolly. What else you got for us today? Oh I I've noticed that recently as I'm watching falconines come into land the part that comes down to land, you know the the most bit the The tall bit on the bottom When it's coming in. Yeah, the first stage. Yeah, that one. They're not the stage zero. That doesn't yeah It's the part that lands Uh, I am I am now able to find the drone ship In the in the landing from like 20 25 kilometers up I can see it if I look in the left grid fin I got to see one where the drone ship was all lit up from the ground that I saw It's on the ground moving and I tracked it all the way through the shot and it got lost in the left Let's see on your side of the screen. I okay, which this is my left hand. So I'm gonna say it's my left Uh The the left grid fin if I look in there it gets lost in the grid fin and then comes and emerges I don't know if that's a new thing. I wonder if other people have been able to see that for a while And I just learned to pick it out You know, I was gonna say during a recent I think it was the most recent night lunch Um, a falconine. I want to say last week or something. Yeah I I thought I saw a light From when it was like 10 kilometers up and I was like, there's no way that's the Like there's no way you could see the the actual lights from the The Night launch the first time. I'm sorry night landing the first time and a day landing the next time that I remember seeing it uh, and uh, and now I'm tracking them and If the weather's clear, it seems like I can find them from 20 kilometers seriously. Well, I would still still way way up there Before well before the well before the landing burden Gotcha. Well, I guess I need to start paying attention Look and and of course, you know, I'm looking at a dot. Could I be wrong? Yes Yes, I could be but if I'm looking about it Can I track it and I land on that dot that that was good confirmation Well, I will um, I will certainly endeavor to take a better gander at it and pay attention during the launches a little bit more so Yeah, so interesting interesting thing to have to have noticed the launches. Those are landings. Those are the dramatic Yeah, that's the cool stuff Um, and reminding us ecca, of course It's a dot that doesn't move like the waves So that's very very true. Yeah Yeah, so very cool Yeah, I like I like that a lot and maybe they can have the lights on the drone ship strobe out jpl for us Uh, there you know 15 seconds before landing or something Yeah, I'm sure uh, I'm sure SpaceX will absolutely appreciate that Uh with that there so yeah, they'll be they'll reduce all sorts of things. Yeah, they'll be thrilled To make that happen. I'm I'm certain of it. So um, and I did want to say a little bit about Uh, since you did mention uh falcon nines, did you know That we just celebrated the 200th consecutive successful flight of a falcon nine Do you know that? I so although Yeah Although alohandro at nasa spaceflight did point out That it is technically 199 if you don't count the in-flight abort but Because we're on the show This show specifically we're gonna ignore that and I appreciate Appreciate alohandro's input, but we're just gonna I'm just gonna go ahead and say that that's correct And it is doing that nuance away and acknowledging it and then ignoring it just because we're there's I don't I There's no nuance occurring here. Uh, I mean Look at this There's nothing nuance about any of this that we're looking at right here. Um, so yeah, so um, I'm bringing it up just because I recall In one of my early space pods That uh, if you want to come back to me data, it's gonna wrap it. Well, you got that logo there. Look at that beautiful roll that beautiful logo um In case you in case you forgot who made the video, uh there um I recall one of my earliest space pods that I did for tomorrow called top This is something called a top five rockets or something like that. Um, I said that I mean, this was back in 2015. So it was the early days Um, and this is this was even before the crs 7 Kaboom, um, or rapid depressurization leading to fts kaboom. Um Whatever we want to call it. Um It was about the top five rockets and I put the delt 2 as number one Because it was going to have a hundred at that time. It had had 98 consecutive flights There were two more left on its manifest and it was going to do So that would have made a hundred consecutive flights if those two Were flown and I said because of that it was going to be it's the top rocket of all time because of that Uh nowadays I will argue that it the delta 2 um Is the top rocket of all time because it has a shark mouth on it at various stages during its history Um, but that's quite the shifting goalpost Uh Sure, um But now I've realized that How can nine has doubled the consecutive successful flights of delt 2 In a significantly less amount of time that delt 2 So I need to maybe rethink Mm-hmm So Which I do admit Good Belkanine's awesome Belkanine is amazing is fantastic at what it does But ultimately we know that the best rocket that there is in this world jttv knows what's up and that is Of course Aries 1x So It's that's just been confirmed for so long For such a time especially as now Uh with it. So, um, yeah as robert is pointing out That falcanine has a 99.1 percent reliability Uh rating on it. That's good. So that's that's better than me getting in my Jeep Um And turning and pushing the button and it's starting. Um, also Benna is uh, benna is also reminding us to Uh That aries 1x is 100 percent reliable 100 percent so far Yeah, and I don't know if we've also pushed this one from benna as well But talking about the delta 2 footage from earlier this week Uh made me happy which might be some of you who follow my twitter feed At jared head. I was I was just praising the delta 2 as I will always do because sharkmouth Um with it there. So Yeah, amazing fantastic stuff. Uh, what's that there? So Yeah, just again like these are things that five years ago. I wouldn't have really considered Like possible, you know, it's amazing how fast these kinds of things can can change how rapid the industry can Dutta, you got anything to add about that? At all data or your speech was I gotta push like 16 buttons. Um, I love I love delta 2 Yeah, yeah, I should I feel like I should get it tattooed on my back or something or maybe That's a Fairing on my back. I actually do have a delta tattoo in in mind Hmm. Yeah Yeah, oh, okay. Wait a second. We're gonna have to talk after the show then I guess And then if you want to maybe we could talk about that in the members only Are you willing to talk about it in members only? It's it's just a thought in the back of my head right now. It's nothing nothing permanent. Nothing definitive yet Okay, that's cool. Um Another day Yeah, we'll talk. I think we'll talk about it in the post show. So we could which if you want to access that Uh, the plug mid-show you could actually join us as a member on our youtube channel youtube.com Slash t m r o slash join if you join right now in the middle of the show You can still get in and it's literally as little as 99 cents a month in order to do that And of course all of your support is help same with Helping us out in liking subscribing commenting sharing this if you know someone who would love to share it to him If you know someone who wouldn't like to share it to them as well It's a view um in addition to that Maddie's asking to jay me make it or not. Well, I don't I don't know if you could notice but No No, uh, jay me did not Uh, so unfortunately, uh, no jay me this week. Uh, she She will eventually return But uh, but somebody was asking are we ever going to see jay me again? Yes, but jay me's busy as well So, uh, and that's all I'll really say about it Am I not even allowed to say why she's busy or what she's busy doing She's busy with work. So that's the way I would put it right day job, right Yeah, day job like sometimes I have my day job getting away and yeah, sometimes your day job Dolly sometimes your day job. It just it all depends on what happens with us So we all have day jobs in case you forgot. So, um, but that's okay. We still love you anyways Dolly as you take a fresh drink. Have you got anything else for us to discuss tonight? You have uh, Do you have anything else? I do remember that I wanted to call out alan stern and it was kind of related to the other thing and that's where I lost track earlier Okay. Yeah, let's double back then. Yeah, so I'm just I just want to call out her a little hero worship and and fangirling here about the alan stern because because I I I note that in the scientific community we we speak in such careful terms such nonviolent kind of ways About any disagreements that we have keeping it really to the idea and not person And modeling such amazingly good discourse Even when we're really pushing it and I want to call out alan for really modeling where that edge Should not cross and where should be he did good Good well thought out communications there So yeah, and uh, would you look at that? There's a Ryan has suddenly appeared Out of nowhere and we'll see if we can hear Ryan momentarily because suddenly a whole bunch of magic that you shouldn't see just appeared Um with that there for Ryan working on what you've got uh but Yeah, uh alan or dr. Stern is extremely passionate about his work and his his basically everybody making sure everybody gets their fair share of what they could possibly do um and It's admirable with the work that he's put in over decades. I don't think I think I hinted at it last week about the Pluto underground that he was a part of which started back in the mid 80s um with it there As he could roll through that ryan. Um, he's he's been doing this for almost four Almost four decades now And been doing it with the same level of passion since so It's it's pretty great and I'm excited to see Anytime he talks I get excited because he's just got that zest Um with it there and ryan. Thanks for watching us. Uh first time viewer ryan Many of you caught that in the back. Yeah, first time viewer ryan. Wow. So that's what it looks like. Oh, no, here we go We're going down Um Oh man recursion like a Christopher Nolan movie Uh with that there so Yeah, so very very close. So was that was does that kind of wrap up your your discussion there for you dolly? Yeah, that's that's that's what I was That's what I brought this week And I'll be okay. Excellent with more interesting stuff and Yeah, that's fascinating. Um working with that And I will talk about something a little fascinating as well if we don't mind talking about Jelloscope well-scoped based telescope because I know Jamie always Jamie always loves to I don't want to say Jamie doesn't poo poo astronomy But jamie is always very correct in that astronomy is really difficult to talk about Um, because it always seems so esoteric and so spoken from ivory towers Uh, and jamie is very right in that sense too I will I will say she is not she's not wrong at all with that. Um, but a interesting thing kind of happened Thanks to jelloscope well-scope Looking a little bit further back than Hubble has now if you know About the abilities of jelloscope well-scope it already exceeded Hubble in the first deep field that it took Um It was already kicking Hubble in the butt in terms of distance and what it was able to see Talking galaxies all the waves you know forming Uh, I think the papers are still being peer reviewed right now But some of them are suggesting that these uh galaxies in in that that deep field are something like 300 million years old So like 13.4 billion light years away, which is absurd um to think about the furthest objects that would ever have been seen um and There was an interesting study That came out a few weeks ago, which said that after they had Gone through a lot of the data That they looked at They compared it to how The universe should be so how we would expect things to be with the big bang and it didn't appear to match up so Does that mean web has shown us that the big bang didn't actually occur and we're thinking about the universe entirely wrong and You know cats and dogs living together absolute chaos With things but no turns out That was not uh the best Way that that could have been studied Uh, there was Some methodologies used in those uh that did not allow For the best resolution or the best parsing of the data To develop and then get compared So when we're developing these models, we often will use very powerful computers to do supercomputer simulations and Those simulations require us to use a certain resolution. So we may say something like uh Like each part of the simulation. We're going to have a block that is a million cubic light years or something like that Um, so obviously the smaller the blocks the better the resolution The longer it's going to take to crunch so the a lot of these studies that sort of threw the big bang into doubt were not high resolution Crunching with supercomputers. It was very low res So now that they've done the high res stuff. It's lined up exactly with what web actually Or excuse me. Well, scope. I actually showed us With that there so turns out big roundabout way I'm saying that Jelloscope well, scope has disproven Uh the disproving of the big bang. So in other words, all of those studies that said that the big bang Is in jeopardy the idea of the big bang is in jeopardy. It doesn't match with our our lambda cold models That we would expect with that there sort of what we expect with everything. Um Yeah, actually turns out, uh, we were we were a little uh We were a little wrong on that front. We somebody jumped the gun a little too much This isn't any good. That's reinforcing my internal luddite Um Not necessarily, you know the the interesting thing about science is that we don't always get it right, right? Oh, okay. All right. That's why that's why we check. So I should just be flexible and convencible and and go with the wind of the data And besides nobody's asking me my opinion about cosmology anyhow Not necessarily you were always permitted to change your mind with the presentation of new data Excellent. I'll I'll always Yes, and actually old gamer newb is bringing up What it is Which is that high resolution telescopes need high resolution simulations. That's exactly what happened. There you go the The simulations were not matching the resolution that we were getting from the data of jelloscope wellescope. That is, uh Old gamer newb you literally I'm walking off the show because I got no more to say I'm looking at a ryan is nowhere near as good. It doesn't convince me at all. It's way down in the in the uncanny valley I want the real camera ryan Yeah Unfortunately, the real camera ryan doesn't work ah Okay, well, that's okay. Uh, we still love bad camera ryan With all of our heart just to let you know all this is what you get. This is this is I plug it in and says it doesn't work. This is what we get just have to This is this is just imagine this is some kind of like, you know, 6k ultra high definition area x equality Your eyes your brain's just tricking you into thinking it's an old 720p webcam because it's the only thing that'll work Ryan if i'm gonna be honest Yours actually looks pretty good for some of the guests that we have had on tomorrow So if i'm if we're gonna be honest here about that and then also Uh, let's face it. We actually have your full attention unlike some of the guests that we've had So ryan Last but certainly not least for this week. What have you got to talk about because dolly's done I'm done up to you before we ask dada for the closing words I thought we were just getting spooled up here. It's not like I've just spent 50 minutes trying to get anything to work I'm gonna attempt a screen share. I don't know if this will work or not Well, you know what as someone said at the start it works first time come on Nice, we are testing in production. This is a power move Um, so eric the burgo himself thinks that virgin orbit is gonna come back. That's what I've got for this week Thanks for watching everybody Well, uh explain Um Based on what I'm hearing. I think virgin orbit is probably coming back. This is what eric's hearing I I cannot confirm nor deny. I've got his ears. However, if it's true, it's for it's certainly exciting Um for everybody who wants them to succeed, which I'd certainly hope is everybody Um, and more and more gauntures out of cormoran because that was like I can absolutely neither confirm nor deny We're not confirming nor denying that is important Is there is there any like a speculative boxes that that ryan could draw around this like Do do was there uh, was there an angel investor on the horizon that was being talked about was there A box in which they were saying here's what it would take for us to do this thing and so This being possible means that Something happened What do you know that's you're not asking me. Are you no? No, I'm ignoring you shut up. I can't hear you No, no, no ryan you know quiet I have I haven't heard anything about Investors and whatnot all I know is All I've really paid attention to after the company filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy is that they keep going as as if everything's normal and pretend that nothing's happening and then by Tomorrow or Sunday, hopefully we'll have someone aboard. So the timing is kind of you know Um good timing for Eric to start hearing things before the deadline of the Um Financial Whatever's I'm not a lawyer So Yeah, that's my best guess dates and dates and big checks and contracts and signatures and things. Okay I haven't really had a lot of time to research it considering I spent the last 50 minutes trying to get a camera to turn on So that's the best you're gonna get out of me today indeed indeed and Depending on when news shows up about this Ryan and I will be thumb wrestling over which one of us gets to talk about it first It depends when it comes out. Yeah, and and really yeah, ryan's got better thumbs than I he gets to win if he chooses ryan is a young lad and therefore Yes, that's kind of how it goes So stronger and get in the way of his attracting the young fims Yeah Yeah Yeah, and just you know as Bennett is pointing out in our chat room, which I think is really important Which is that you know chapter 11 Bankruptcy really is a formality. You can be you can become a juggernaut after that and there are companies that have done that Um, so it would not be the first time a major You know or at least a player in aerospace um has Come back from the break. Um, if you will Very few from after chapter 11, but it's not unheard of it's not impossible. It is possible, but Boy, is it hard so but We wish everyone the best of luck, of course because tomorrow we Absolutely are like true Let me be absolutely let me be absolutely clear Even if I did know I wouldn't tell you but I have no idea I'm gonna be just as surprised as all y'all when the news comes out Um Okay, uh, but yeah, uh, that's uh, that's that's Yeah, uh, oh, yeah, there's there was also this are avail, which was that there was that original angel investor that Was like some guy that rich guy who nobody had ever heard of and was caught in a series of recurring lies Did he turn out to be legit? No, he didn't um, and there were there were a multitude of things that with Me looking at it is someone I don't Dutta you can't comment on it. Um, but I I certainly can and I will which is that there were several things that had been publicly stated by this person that I don't think DoD would have liked to begin with um, so Um, so I don't know what happened anyhow. So, uh, yeah, that's that's all I will just leave it right there We could we could spin that wheel, um with the with honestly the multitude of things and not that person Why did government cares Weapons factories, I mean Is there some dual purpose? I can't have a reason so, um, anyways, uh, yeah, we'll have to see We'll have to see uh with that there. Um Yeah, we'll have to see it. Uh, by the way, I want to ask did we cover What I guess we could call a miracle on orbit did we We We didn't Oh, and I had that on my list. Dali actually Dali, why don't you take it away? I'll I'll cover the media for you But you talk about this because it was mentioned in the chat room and then there is one more thing I want to talk about but I'm gonna have to stall for a little bit to grab my media and make it happen Thank you. Thank you. Thank you juice juice is loose. Oh, I'm very excited. This was something we talked about last week This is the juice missions the jupiter icy moons orbiter And it got all caught up when it was trying to unfold it got caught on a pin So they turned it around and they baked it and they shook it and they baked it and they tried their recipe and this And it well, I'm I'm hoping to see it. I haven't actually seen it But oh, yes now it is it has unfurled. It got past the pin We will now Be expecting to see good good radar images From this on jupiter's icy moons and learn things Thank you, isa. Thank you for trying. I'm so happy you succeeded. The juice is loose Yeah, I was oh, yeah, baby. I love that. That's great. Finally did it. So yeah, I'm so excited I cannot wait for that data. Oh, right. I have to wait till the 2030s for that data crap stupid business Hey, hey, it's a lot better than the alternative which was going to be like the 2040s because we're gonna have to do another one Yeah, fair enough. Um, and what's you know, I think what people really keep, uh Uh, I think what people really forget about is The fact that Oh, man, I had a thought, you know, do you ever hate it when you just like have those thoughts and then it just like zips away from you? That's literally what just happened to me. I feel soaked up from that now, um, but uh I guess I'll just go back to my first thought I had which was that I'm so excited that we're gonna have your opa clipper and juice there at the same time Um, and then I can't remember when china's Uh fast flyby probe is supposed to be going through the area as well. Um, but Yeah that's um What a what a great time to be a a I see, uh, I see moons Scientist right like, hey, this is this is a really neat, uh, really neat time Uh for that so very excited Whatever time Whatever time it does that we'll have to like shift it three or four times for Beijing time right compared to like britain. How many hours? Oh, I don't that's a great that is a fantastic. I think that aids ahead of me So 16 ahead of you Wow. Yeah, so we're like on opposite thirds if you could like being it that it's great. Thank you Yeah and uh, I just want to say that, uh Uh, yeah, I'm just I'm stoked. I'm so stoked. I can't think you guys see that I just I'm Losing it at this point somebody else take over Um, there's somebody else definitely take over because I'm grabbing media for what I want to talk about to close out the show with And I want to make sure that this is like super exciting media And I want to thank all of the members of tomorrow for uh putting up with our Trying all of this dog food live out today Rock with that. Let me tell you that is uh, that is an epic level to be at and in closing I would like to simply say, uh, that Slick six It's back, baby So I don't think we talked about it on the show, which is my personal favorite launch pad in the world Um, which is at vandenberg space force base. Uh, it was Originally going to launch the manned orbital laboratory. This was a united states air force military Uh, what would I describe it as by satellite crewed space station from the 60s? but then they did the the uh, kah seven corona and kh eight gambit and kh nine hexagon And keyhole programs after that and they basically were like, oh, we don't need people up there We'll just use spy sats For that we don't need people to aim the thingies. We could just do it ourselves So that is where the delta, uh, or actually after that, uh, it's going to be something else, which I'll show you in just a second but then They kind of sat in the disrepair and then eventually it was picked up just before it was going to be mothballed by Uh bowing which eventually moved it over to united launch alliance for the delta four rockets And you could see it's a delta four heavy sitting on the pad what it was most Best known for was these west coast launches of the delta four heavy. It is gorgeous I swear if you ever get a chance If anybody's ever like you want to go to slick six go to slick six Uh, there is literally a train that runs through here called the amtrak Pacific surf liner. I've taken it a couple times It goes right past the launch pad. You could see all of that. It's amazing So, uh, it also goes past the spacex pad and I've seen spacex boosters sitting out there on the pads as well But the thing that makes me so excited is that uh, spacex picking up slick six Brings up the possibility of them possibly bringing starship to the west coast Because starship super heavy that's going to be able to lift a lot So I bet there's a lot of people at the national reconnaissance office right now that are looking at it and going So, uh, we'll have to see it is not announced from spacex as to what will be flying from Space Launch Complex six or what we call slick six But I'm so excited slick six is not going to get mothballed its history continues Because frankly, I feel like the biggest part of slick six's history Was pulled away from it because of an unfortunate accident a challenger accident slick six Was going to become the west coast launch site of the space shuttle And that would have been absolutely spectacular putting the space shuttle into polar orbits Yes, you could do polar orbits from florida, but you do take a significant hit in your payload capability Which you can overcome that as falcon nine has shown But that doesn't necessarily mean that Customers like the national reconnaissance office are going to be happy To take that kind of a payload hit because it could tell you one thing about the national reconnaissance office They're not You know if you want that Hubble to look back at earth. I mean if you want the uh, Nice pretty telescope to look back at earth, which has actually nothing to do with the nancy grace roman space telescope They're pointing completely different directions Yeah, it's not like they gave nasa two of them and said go wild. Just don't point it at the ground Um, I mean they don't even do it on the ground in the clean room. They point it in the air Um, so yeah, I'm so excited about this also slick six. It's just a beautiful watch site, right? I mean look at this. Look at this This is back in the 80s when they were building that out by the way that is Uh, dada if I recall correctly that is space shuttle enterprise right there. That's correct for for fit checks And what else was that an actual external tank and actual solids? Uh, yes, I believe so Okay, wow Also, if i'm not mistaken they had uh, more than that I call had prototype composite casings that were one piece Because they were able to be transported from utah to california. Oh my for for this for this launch Yes, and if I recall correctly they needed those composite Uh casings in order to lessen the weight to allow shuttle to go into polar orbits Yeah more margin Yeah, so wow, what a place and i'm so glad uh that we're finally uh, Slick six is it's going to continue baby. Um, and who knows we may see something that is Uh, what two and a half times the height of the shuttle stack? Uh going for it. So that would be That would be impressive. I would actually go to that one at that starship watch. That would be amazing Uh, with that there, uh, so you don't go to that starship launch that starship launch comes to you True I would probably honestly for us here in la we would probably see it piece of cake Oh, yeah, we wouldn't have to go I bet if we went to the right beach We could hear it. I've seen I've I've seen delta two launches from as far as as far inland as rolling heights Uh, yeah, well, I was gonna say clearly A couple weeks ago. I did watch a starlink launch Uh, like around midnight our time and I watched the first stage and the second stage Fire into each other and interact and make the jellyfish and it was It was so good. I was on my front lawn watching it. So it was good stuff So everybody, thank you all so much for watching this week's episode of tomorrow I'm gonna be here next week. How about everybody else? We all gonna be here next week Yeah, if my camera gets me and then yeah, I should be Well, you know what? I think we'll start a little bit early and uh, we'll we'll fix that So we are going to go into our members only stream if you want to youtube.com slash Tmro slash join you can do it right now 99 cents a month is all it takes and you'll be in immediately. So We're going to go to members That's it everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in to tomorrow this week. Have a good one everybody We'll see how long this new system takes for us to go up there. I don't I don't