 Hi there, I'm Tim Hill with tan books just pleased and honored to be joined today by father Lawrence Carney We're gonna discuss his great book the secret of the holy face before we get into that discussion though father I was hoping you could start us with a prayer sure in the name of the father and son holy ghost on them How Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is a fruit of Fibrium Jesus Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners down at the hour of our death Our lady the holy name of God pray for us in the name of the father and of the son and the holy ghost Well see the book right there the secret of the holy face and I know readers have really taken to this What has been some of the reaction that you've gotten father Carney specifically from from your book Well, they say this book is really helping them in the spiritual life, and this is a devotion that maybe they heard about In passing but they read this full-length book and now they know a lot more about it And they see how this devotion is so important for the times we live in and it helps They say it helps them to become better Catholics because they can actually do something against the evil that's going on in the world by Praying according to this devotion to the holy face, and it's called the secret of the holy face I think we all love to know secrets. Yes Do you ever get asked? Okay, so what is this the secret then? Yeah, so the secret is that Jesus revealed to sister Mary st. Peter in the 1840s this humble nun in in tourist France and Jesus told her my father's greatly disappointed with the human race for two sins blasphemy and proponation of Sundays and holy days of obligation and Jesus continued my father He's going to punish the human race not so much with the elements and I tell people like not tornadoes or hurricanes or typhoons, but with revolutionary men and When I read that for the first time it just registered to me because I thought I've always been thinking what's going on. You know, why is The church getting so small. Why are we not teaching what we used to teach and But this made sense that God's actually punishing us with revolutionary men and they're inside the church. They're outside there And so that's what I think people have gotten out of this because once you start there you want to pay attention because This this book is a blueprint of how to get out from underneath the Revolutionary men communists and Freemasons and all that all those revolutionary so Revolutionary war is what my ten-year-old is studying. He comes home and tells me all these facts I've never heard the term revolutionary men until I read your book in this way It's a different way to think about it and certainly kind of be on guard for All of that, right? Right. So another element after I've written this book and people have talked to me about it is a Lot of Catholics are starting to realize It might get worse So what can we do and this devotion is helping me and them to realize we've got to get rooted in the interior life We got to go deep into our union with God and at the end of day, that's why we were made It's being union with God and God actually Want he causes or permits revolutions so that We have adversity and it's through adversity where we can actually start to practice the virtues more or passively receive the influx of The gifts of the Holy Spirit So that's going to be another title that I'm writing for tan. They'll be coming out in the future the total consecration to the holy face and How God draws the soul through the purgative way the illumined way in the unit of way and I was just telling someone from here that I'm writing this book and it's it's really I'm just getting sources from and writing them all down I'm just going to read it over and over again because I want to become a master of how to Go deep in the interior life and also to teach people how to do it, but at the end of the day What's all this about? It's about Going to heaven and seeing God face to face and I've learned that too since writing his book and talking with people St. Thomas says the greatest thing that we can ever receive is the beatific vision, which is seeing God face to face So this is how God works the Holy Spirit is definitely in my opinion working with your company and with me being allowed to write this book and I just get on fire when I talk about this topic and people Like how do you get all that? And it's just I say it's God and I you know, I try to pray and I want to encourage people With this devotion because it helps us to be tender with certain aspects of God like his face his five senses during his passion also devotions help us become tender with Certain aspects of the church like arch-compaternities or compaternities. What are they? You know and it helps People to be able to see so when I get a chance to have a platform to write a whole book So that's about 200 peak pages people can read that guy and really soak in the thought behind What I have received in this great devotion and the way that you write this book I think it really appeals to so many of us whereas Sometimes things can really be difficult to digest you put it in a way that is really easily easy for me to understand I can understand it So why don't we start kind of from the beginning at least from my mindset anyway in arch-con Fraternity I don't hear that word often To in my understanding. It's kind of right above Confaternities. It's a group of groups. Is that a fair way to put it? Yeah when I first learned about this I started Calling around how can I start my own arch-conpaternity the holy face because let's just go to the top but I realized there can only be one arch-conpaternity in the whole world and so The arch-conpaternities that the Pope erects They're in one place and they're in charge of other Confaternities that become daughters of them so to speak So this arch-conpaternity was approved by Pope Leo the 13th in 1885 and the sea of it where it's located is in Tours France and Tours France is Where St. Martin of Tours was the bishop and that's his feast days November 11th, and that's my birthday November 11 So that was one of things that drew me so people though can start Confaternities and the way that this is set up in the 1800s was we actually Talked to the director of the arch-conpaternity the holy face. He's a French Dominican and we asked him how do you start? another Confaternity and he said that hasn't been asked in known history so this devotion has really gone to the wayside and He actually went to the Archbishop of Tours on our behalf to speak to his Excellency and Asked him how do they and his Excellency said well If anyone wants to start a confaternity they need to get statutes About how they're gonna meet how what prayers are gonna say What day they're gonna meet on etc And those have to be approved by the local ordinary which is a fancy word for the local bishop if he's around Sometimes there's a sea that doesn't have a bishop in that they have an administrator So that ordinary can still do it when a bishop's not there so that's how you start a confaternity and These confraternities have a lot of benefits two of them is you can share in the indulgences that were promised to them and Secondly, you can share in the spiritual graces and this confraternity Arch-conpaternity is really neat because there's two saints in it already and that's St. Louis Martin and St. Tres of the Sue of the child Jesus and of the holy face so when we enroll It's like enrolling in a spiritual army We enroll with the other troops that are in that spiritual army and so those two who the father of St. Tres is St. Louis of Martin So those are some pretty good heavy hitters for our devotion is very little known so we're right at the beginning the cusp of this becoming a very big devotion because Jesus even said to Sister Mary St. Peter the one who received the revelations That this would be spread in the 1800s, but it's gonna go Away sort of like in a treasure box and it's gonna become a secret I mean he's I'm paraphrasing now, but he said basically there's gonna be another wave of apostles that will promote it through writing or through preaching and Back then there was not the motion picture, but that's what we're doing right here We're promoting it. So you're kind of like a second apostle second wave of apostles of this with me and and God Has blessed us with it with us being able to do this and it's a lot of fun And I just so many people come and talk to me and they say father once I get in this devotion It's like a lot of things start to open up in my spiritual life. And so that's contagious No doubt about it. And when I first heard about this I was thinking oh this must be a pretty complicated involved thing then Looking into it in your book is I just so no no it this is a one minute per day, right? That's a very good question to bring up always like to stress this is that You know people that have spiritual directors a good spiritual directors gonna tell their per their directee Don't do too many devotions. You got to be able to do your duty in life If you're a father or a mother you gotta be able to take care of your children and not just live in a church unless you're a monk so This devotion has six requirements first you enroll Then you receive the enrollment. Well, that's a one lock one time deal you do that once in a lifetime So there's only four out of six left Then you spend about 30 seconds to a minute a day saying oh Lord show us thy face and we shall be saved Which I believe is from Psalm 83 then you say a potter of emiria and a glory of pottery and then you promote this devotion through media words writing talking to people and Then you go to the monthly meetings So that's the hardest part is the monthly meetings and that's why I I think God has asked me to really promote this is because Whenever the church or heaven gives us a devotion The most power you're gonna get out of it is when you fall exactly as heaven or the church has given it to us So those are the six things. I think I got six of them Yeah, I don't think I forgot any so those are the six things you got to do if you really want to glean the most treasures from this secret of the holy face right and Notice the form is native in French because it goes to France and that's where it gets Performed but obviously you can fill it out in English you go martinians.org is an easy place to get to one of those forms, right? Yeah, we have a website called the League of Saint Martin and we have a place where you can go and get a PDF and We have the the good arch-comp attorney wants us to keep doing Printing it off in French. So we put English subtitles and they're in red so people can really see them and Right now it used to be a dollar 20 was an international stamp But my mom told me a few months ago. It's a dollar 40 now So I got got to get corrected here So if anyone wants to then go to our website print it out fill it out and mel in with a stamp for dollar 40 And I believe you can do it online, but sometimes they're sort of glitches So if you print it out, it's it's a sure way to get it in the mail Yeah, so it was up to a dollar 40 on the website impressive having Updated there in a really simple form and then the prayers that you mentioned in our father a Hail Mary a Glory be and then the very simple. Oh Lord show thy face and we shall be saved so then after that after you get the basics then God draws souls to Get into this devotion in various ways. So there's a lot of arsenal spiritual Arsenal here and I I say that those are different prayers. There's a manual the arch-compater in the holy face That was printed in 1887 and there's some very strong very masculine prayers in it and one of them is a chap of the holy face and that is basically Repeating Psalm 67 to make reparation for the five senses of our Lord on And they're all on his face is I so his sight smell Taste touch and hearing. So that's why that's the face. That's where the senses are so we make reparation because of how he suffered in the passion and One of them my favorite lines that I like to say about Jesus who told just Mary St. Peter is How my enemies Jesus is talking how my enemies use these different weapons like the nails and the spear and the crown of thorns and the Cross and the scourges and the pillar etc. How they use those to make me hurt and he said We need to have Spiritual soldiers that will take these instruments and hurl them at the enemy. So in a spiritual way This is a counter attack, but we don't want the death of the sinner. He says we want the conversion so a lot of people I know that I talked to They imagine these weapons going out at the devil, you know, let them have it and then they also go out towards his agents So maybe they'll have a conversion and there's even I wrote in the back of the book How priests can you know, there's a there's a group right now that's called restore the 54 These are traditional Catholics that like the mass before 1955 so before 55 you have the option in certain Levels of what type of a mass it was of the day? So if it was a lower level the priests have the option It's called ad libidum or the priest has the will that the option to add extra prayers to the mass the colic secret and post communion and some of those masses and that old those older missiles There's a mass for the cross. Well, that's in the 62 and that's in the but there's a mass of the nails And of the sword. Yeah, the sword of Longitudus. Then there's a mass of the Crown of thorns, etc. So I can insert those prayers. They're like petitions that were written by the Vatican and I imagine myself and other priests like when Moses was Holding up his hands against there was a war and the Israelites were winning when the high priest had his hands up And they were got tired. So when they went down Then they started to lose But when they went up again Aaron had a hole and someone else had to hold them up And I imagine that's what's happening to us priests is these weapons these spiritual things are coming out of our hands You know, and it's it's it's making a spiritual attack and that's a kind of that's the kind of fire and charisma that God wants for us because He he wants our advantage not our satisfaction. He wants us to be happy because he's a good God He's our Abba. He's our father. And so this devotion is just it's ripe with just I think it just has such a great future As you were speaking about it dawned on me There's a saying in coaching football and you have 11 players on one side 11 on another there There's a lot going on but there's a coaching saying called See a little see a lot see a lot you see nothing So As you're focusing on something very specific In the interior life in the prayer life that really Sharpened everything it's seen I heard that as you were describing it to me and it seems there's a bit of a parallel there One priest always tells me less is better. Sometimes that's very true And in the interior life There's called there's a thing called the prayer of the simple I'm writing about this in the next book. I'm gonna have you all publish the prayer of the simple Basically souls become more simple they become more focused And sin is very complex and sin starts to melt away from them And that prayer of the simple means that they can disengage from their five senses And let God who's dwelling if they're in a state of grace let God who's dwelling with them They can sense him and that gets deeper and deeper And it just makes sense because the four attributes of God are truth goodness Beauty and sometimes they don't mention it, but simplicity Simplicity so less is better and like you're saying What was the phrase seeing a little see a little see a lot see a lot Yeah, and also reminds me of another quote the the true sign of genius is making me very complicated seem very simple Mm-hmm It all goes into this a little bit earlier You mentioned when you read it for the first time about this devotion. When did you come to? Yeah, come to the secret of the holy face the devotion of the holy face see God loves stories and this is a story so sister scholastica it at the time was the sub priors of the Abbey of Ephesus in in Gower, Missouri the benedicts of Mary cleaning apostles And I don't get to talk to her much, but it was a christmas day and the nuns advised me to have lunch with them and I sat by sister and I said sister i'm writing a Newsletter what topic should I write because I I trust her she's a very holy nun And she said why write about the holy face? So I said, okay, I've never heard of that. I think I've heard of the golden arrow prayer And so I began to write about that and then I prayed some of the prayers And then someone from north carolina sent me a tan book Called the holy man of tours And then someone from new jersey sent me a tan book called The whole world will love me And then I don't remember who it was from but somebody sent me a book called the golden arrow This was all in with two months. I didn't ask them. They didn't know I had this devotion They said father you ought to read this. I think you'll like this So I read these books all this providence happening And I I read about how november 11th is uh where all this happened where Archbishop st. Martin of tours was the bishop and that's my birthday. I'm like I said to myself. I really love this devotion. I really need to start preaching about it and so I did and It's just contagious for me and other people start listening at the convent At the abbey not very many people come to hear me But when they would hear me they would go out and tell their friends because a lot of the families of the nuns come visit from all over the united states and even um, Lithuania and other parts of europe they come and they listen and then they talk to people And that's how I got involved in this and it's just providence so much providence And that's why earlier before we began our talk Sometimes the holy spirit just is the simplest way just letting the holy spirit guide the conversation But it's also good to have some notes if you get stuck Good point. So we have some here and in this in these notes. I'll actually Surprisingly to me anyway, but I think very appropriately to what you just said the golden arrow prayer Is One of the things that came from the carmelite nun that you were mentioning earlier sister maria saint peter who had the visions and This is the the prayer Was revealed to hers. That's one of the things she's famous for and one of the ways that you came to this I wanted to go back even more It was not just her but it was a guy by the name of leo depont who kind of came across her and then Helped for a lack of a better term. I guess help with the pr for all of this and push this forward, right? That's right so he was born martin nick And he became a student of law in paris and he moved back To martin nick he married I think his high school sweetheart. They had one child. She was on her deathbed And she her wish was can you have our daughter taught? By the earthlands like I was and so that got him to tours so that was providence And he was a very holy man And his nickname was holy man of tours So he would walk around The city of tours and he would pray and all the churches whether they were Still standing or if they were destroyed by the french revolution He would pray and imagine at these crumbled churches how mass would have been if it was still open so Then he discovers The mother superior at the carmel and he was a Well to do so he would support the religious but he loved the carmel and The mother there got to know him and trusted him and trusted some work to him because they needed an extern and He would do business for the the nuns As a lawyer and then mother trusted him so much. This doesn't happen very often, but a layman She asked him if she could talk to her to sister mary st. Peter because she had a Uh just And something given by god. It's just other worldly. That's what it says in the bible Little pot then started listening to these revelations and he just Thought this is totally from god This needs to get out to the world because He could see the connections at the time because the communist manifesto was just coming out and she was receiving his revelations about How the revolutionary men and communisms called out and very rare in a private revelation That jesus calls out a group of people by name. So that's what makes this devotion so neat is it's really It's simple, but it's it's calls things out. It's like get to arms get to arms count Let's go and this it teaches us how to have a masculine type of of anyway, so he's Doing his job and then poor sister. She dies at a young age around 20 mid 20s of throat of a like a throat cancer or ulcer and That's very fitting because she is making reparation for blasphemy and what comes how does blasphemy come out usually out of your throat And I think even a wasp stung her one time is really a lot of pain so she passes away and the bishop Takes all of her autobiography and all that and and puts it into the archives and it's like a secret for for like Three or four decades, but venerable apat is this pr guy. He keeps praying for this to happen And towards the end of his life, there's a new archbishop And he actually came to visit venerably at apat who was bedridden really and he wasn't able to take him in but Um, the maid said what he did and he came and wanted to pray and talk with him and he said this is a holy bishop And so when venerably at apat passed away the archbishop then opened up the archives and sent The corpus of all this devotion to some very, um Theologically correct dominicans. I think the solemn and they Checkmarked it and said this the archbishop. There's nothing wrong. This is dogmatically thoroughly fine and so he Did his job and he also performed six thousand miracles plus a certified miracles and That right there shows me how great potential this devotion has as it was promised There was a first wave of apostles He was one of them and now we're in the second wave you and I and all the others that will there are with us and That will go behind us And you mentioned specifically calling out a group of people and how it's one of the ways that this devotion is set apart There's some quotes in your book here That are very clear combating communism is a main thrust of this devotion Is one of those and then you mentioned how communism is anti human anti family and anti god We talked about the revolutionary men and this is obviously directly related to that. Yeah so Yeah, I mean when you have communism being revealed by heaven in a private revelation approved by the local ordinary Then you can do your research. You can go you can drill down You can read about communism and archbishop fulton sheen and frank she there's a lot of guys that really covered this back in the mid 1950s And communism was a problem in america in the 1930s because we have bella dodd. I mean You've got some authors here kengor and I saw even another Book coming along. It's about communism And we got to know our enemy And able to fight and it's a spiritual war And a lot of people said during this this last Few years that it's a war between our ears. So it's a it's a it's an intellectual warfare so This devotion helps The men in theology and in the church and catholics to wake up and do some of your own research So you know how to make a counterattack You know there's a lot of fathers and mothers listening They have children You know, what are you going to teach them because if it gets worse, they're going to need to be prepared in order to get to heaven so this devotion is um Going to be essential for a lot of people now People can't have every single devotion that's out there, but Some people are going to be drawn to this and you're going to know because there's going to be connections like those books coming to My p.o. Box and there's none telling me to do this and now you guys asking me to write a book and have any interviews It's just this is what god wants me to do so If there's anything that anyone can take away today is this be men and women of deep prayer And things like this like my life god has told me what i'm probably going to be doing for the next few years Is keep promoting this but if men and women become deep in prayer There's nothing no one can take that from us. They can't they can take away our mass They can take away our priests, but they can't take away our interior life so That's that's the one thing i want to burn in people's minds with this and that's what the fruits of this devotion there's At least personally for me is it's it's helped me to see now how more imperative it is To learn more about the interior life to learn from the great mystical doctors and to start getting Rooted in that and get to its essence I mean i was telling some people last night at dinner There's not much time left for me. I'm 47 and i want to really do the best i can for god And that's what this devotion is helping me and others do And as you were explaining it helps me as as a father To and a crystallize. All right. What do I need to teach my sons and how they can help how They can be part of this spiritual war like you mentioned also in the book specifically you mentioned How we've seen examples before especially the old testament I believe it was david's grandson specifically that you mentioned about You don't need a whole lot of numbers To be a powerful army. That's one of my favorite stories in the old testament So after I started praying this devotion, I read the bible from front to cover I skipped a few of the chapters and numbers But pretty much the whole thing but and it was just like I had this mindset from the holy face perspective I wasn't planning on that. I just read the bible and it's like wow and I would make marks That's a holy face material. Well, one of the biggest things is from The book of chronicles chapter 20. I think it's the second but it might be the first book and The duet reams is para and then I can't I cannot pronounce the rest of it But you can look it up to chronicles 20. I think but yeah, it's it's the grandson of king david He had a great enemy the amylox and others greatly outnumbered it was something like 10 to 1 And he was a man of deep prayer. There was four good kings out of 39 And that's just typical politics So he was one of the 10 percent And so when he heard about this battle, he was just he turned white basically And he he then had to come with he came with god and he put his face on the ground and and prayed So he went and prayed. That's the best thing you can do in any situation And he got it on his heart This is a couple days for the battle have one of the levites preach and you know levites They were responsible for taking care of the people who Promoted the golden calf and what a god commanded you slit their throats. This is old testament stuff So this was a this was the tribe They were given the priesthood because they did what god commanded and it was not pretty to be Have to do that but it's just so anyways the levite goes up the next day and says men men We pray to god. This is going to be god's war. We have confidence in god. So the next day on the battle What does joseph do? Um jeroboam. What does jeroboam do? He pits the singing man in the van That means the singing man in the vanguard they're in the front lines They're chanting the daves of his grandfather chanting the psalms of his grandfather david king david And his mercy endureth forever and they were chanting in the language of the time and the enemy when they saw These singing men advancing they did not know what to do They were looking at each other and the bible says they started to thrust Swords at their own selves. It was a civil war and at the end of the war The bible says someone got up on top of this This pillar and they saw like an ocean of blood They were gone And it's like this devotion is very similar to that with what we face today It you know communists They're usually a small number, but they sound like they're the majority of the people But whatever size they are god can take care of them. So this devotion helps us To go deep in the interior life and to ask god to engage himself to fight this war for us So that's just We're creatures, you know god's the creator. He's got this under control We just need to give our confidence back to him instead of putting all that weight on our shoulders And something you said earlier helps With that weight on my shoulders anyway thinking that oh this time in human history has got to be the worst time but Every generation has had their own battles. You mentioned I mean this is coming from the french revolution Right and the the birth of communism. Obviously we have our problems now back in the old testament There were plenty of problems and everywhere in between Does this specific devotion? Help give you Confidence or maybe renew that confidence that that we all need to have In in god and that trust and that that surrender. Well, you all publish a book by father reginue gary lagrange called providence. It's about that thick It's it's a good read And It just it makes us realize no matter if we're in the worst times or the best of times God wanted us to be in these times because he knew our temperament He knew this was the best time for us to be born and then a second point to that question that I want to make is blessed pious the knight Said reparation is destined to save society Now he almost got killed by the free masons in the 1849 when he exiled himself to gata But that's why I took that quote and made that the subtitle the devotion dust into save society. Well The secret of the holy face is devotion about reparation And so I just using a blessed pope's words and kind of putting them into my title So this devotion god gave it to us The devotion of holy face has ever been since adam and eve. It's it's it's been throughout the whole old testament in fact st. Chara's of lissue After she became devoted to this She said it seems like almost every page of the psalms jumps out on me with the face of god So this devotion is definitely for our times because god has lined up the first wave of apostles to give it to us And to have a pope make it into a solid canonical foundation called an arch comp eternity And now it's you your company your tan company has had books published decades ago To prepare for where we're at right now And so the future is going to be beautiful if we're with god no matter how bad it gets Because we were made for these times if they're going to be really bad in fact that could be wonderful for our temperaments because If it was hunky dory if it was christian dim we might have been too lazy. Maybe left the church But we know we have to fight to get to heaven in these times if they get any worse Which they probably will So this devotion is uh Is a devotion for our times. It's an answer that lots of catholics have been asking me father What can I do and I went to pray one more afternoon after Someone visited me in missouri and they were on their way back to north dakota And I just I don't know what to tell you and then they were driving off And I went to pray in front of the holy face And it seems like our lord did he doesn't Reveal it in my ears, but it fell in my heart tell him to start Praying the devotion to holy face and so I I called her said this is what I want you to do and she said okay That's the answer. I needed so they started a group up in north dakota and that was Probably the second group and now there's about 35 per group. We call them chapters of the league of st martin where they Fulfill one of the six requirements. They have a monthly meeting and they do all the other requirements Because god wants us to get together because the enemy wants to divide us and isolate us and make us get sad and depressed Divy and conquer but god in his providence wants us to come together to see each other face to face You know to to pray towards his holy face It's inspiring for sure You mentioned seeing face to face and right now we're at tan headquarters in north carolina, but you are Kansas your kansas native native and live there now and in your your journey What sticks out probably to most people and i'm sure you've been asked about it many many times is your your time in in new york city that you spent In new york city or new orleans. Oh, yes. Sorry take it to the streets in new orleans, right? Yeah new orleans is like a european city because I I backpack During a sabbatical in europe and I just wanted to see all the monuments a lot of priests like father rippler talk about how christian leaves those monuments they they the christians broke the catholics broke their backs to make these beautiful cathedrals and when I went to rome for the first time I saw the church architecture and it really elevated my level of faith like a number of notches so New orleans is one of the only cities in the united states that reminds me of a european city Because they have a lot of that architecture. So I asked the archbishop If I would have permission from him to walk the streets and and hand out rosaries So I I did that it's a it's a beautiful place because people are visiting from all over the united states and even of the world and I just would walk around on my cask in and Hand out rosaries and teach me how to pray the rosary and Teach them how to have a prayer life and you know, I'm a priest, you know People didn't even know what I was and I encourage a will You ought to think about becoming catholic And that's what we all should be doing So yeah, new orleans. It's fun. That's before I found this devotion now. I'm going out. I don't get a walk as much Because people want to do interviews, but this is very important. So it's providence It's I'm I'm miked up now and that's fine and but I'll go out there when I get time off to I need exercise But it's I get to pray also and then I get to Be an apostle and I even have people making me Chaplets of the holy face and I have them in my backpack and I hand out to good catholics that already have a rosary They already know I but they don't know much about the chap of the holy face so I can teach them No, it's fascinating to me You you mentioned that you went out and you walked around but you didn't put a time link on that you did this for The way that I just heard it was maybe for like a weekend. Oh, no, it's a life commitment. I've been walking around streets of cities of the united states for roughly 10 years now and I always get the permission from the bishop because Then you have more power because then you've got that authority And that authority the church and the pope and the holy spirit they're working all the prayers of the nuns They're working through officially And it's really neat because I will meet people and no they want to have a short 30 second conversation they got to get going but my job is not to make him catholic in a second it's Meet them and then I always want to see them again So I was I hope to see you again and then when they would see me they say hey father come come over here I want to talk to you and what happened is I I took down their name and gave it to the nuns I took down their name and gave them to People to pray for them and that's that interior life. God starts to change people Because he wants intercessors He doesn't want anyone to go to hell And it's a real thing and it's really easy to get there But it's easy to get to heaven if we try you cannot fall into heaven You got to try you can fall in hell So I told my bishop recently Of wichita that the reason why I started walking the streets is I don't want anyone to go to hell and one time This lady asked me so father. I've seen you walking around st. Joseph for three or four years What makes you go? I told her Oh when I go to my particular judgment, Jesus may ask me What have you done for me as a priest? And I will be able to say Jesus I walked around the streets of my whole life talking about you. So you see all those 160,000 people I talked to them about you and hopefully he'll say well done good and faithful separate come and enter Into your inheritance has been promised from eternity Any specific Instances examples stand out to you from from your your walks. Yeah There's a recent one I walked in wichita, kansas. There's a place called north broadway and that's where a lot of Let's say you'll repute business happens and The priest I live with a bunch of retired priests and some active priests and They said you need to go on north broadway You really I'm like I'm still kind of sick because I've been sick for like four years But I got well enough one day and I got strong and I went down there and I met I was walking by this lady And she stopped me and said who are you? And I said I'm a Catholic priest. What church do you go to? I said I was ordained at the cathedral It's a few blocks down the road She says well, can you tell me a little bit more and I said, yeah I think I'm supposed to talk to you how to pray the road teach you how to pray the rosary And she said my name is Beatrice, but they call me breezy So I said, okay. You really need to learn how to pray this rosary You need to get out of what you're doing and she was She had very sincere eyes like someone was actually looking at her Not with lust but as a child of God And I was teaching her how to pray the our father And how to pray the Hail Mary and guess what I had a pamphlet from tan Called how to pray the rosary and it's got a nice picture on it And I was just pointing it to her and I gave her a rosary and I said here's how you do it And we prayed a few Hail Marys together and then What's so much fun about this ministry is as I'm talking to her someone dries up and Opens her window and says father. I saw you a week ago. I want to talk to you and I said, okay Beatrice, I hope to see you again someday and I talked to that person And done talking to him and then I got to pray my rosary again and talk to God, you know It's just a beautiful life And there's there's priests. There's even seminarians that are writing Papers in their seminary about One of the books I wrote called the walking the road to God and the stories in there Because If things get worse the church might be going back towards that way of doing it and after I walked around for six months I started to think I'm a slow learner I started to think Wait a minute. This is how Jesus did it. He just walked around Like why did it take me so long to figure this out? So that's what we might be doing in the future granted there might be Priests that'll be in churches still but there might be priests going out because Like the st. Francis Xavier's of the world they would go out and baptize a million to two million people They were outside doing that stuff talking to people They weren't having churches built already. They didn't have a church built. They had to go out and start churches so with when we have the great apostasy what's underway right now and it seems like Almost all the Catholics have left the church are leaving Then it's we're not going to have much to do so we need to go out and be like our lord and his apostles they went out You know, it's so inspiring. It's it's one thing to To preach in a church. It's one thing to write a book to me It's it's I think a lot of us really can Respect you walking amongst People and talking and spreading the word just that much more and you mentioned how the the holy spirit kind of Gives that to you or allows you you to do that. Yeah, and I say that Any priests are listening. It's pretty easy. Just put on a cassock Take a rosary walk around your parish grounds walk around your block Go walk around if you want to walk a lot more ask your bishops so that your brother priest pastors will know that you're doing that and You will be able to pray in a way that's very unique Because when you're praying and people are you know watching you but you're still praying your rosary I go out there just to pray to god. That's the main thing. But then st. Thomas Aquinas said the greatest The highest life is the apostolic life and he says it's not just Doing any activity whatsoever. It's having contemplation first And then being interrupted sometimes to share that contemplation of god with two others And so I tell you priest I've had so much fun doing this for 10 years That any of you that even have an inkling of desire to do it just go do it just start doing it slow and you will be blessed with Some things in the interior life I think and it's just a joy. It's just a joy to do that To be an apostle You can I can feel it just when you tell me here and see it You mentioned the eyes of Beatrice earlier and you mentioned it in the book Obviously that it's about the holy face of Jesus and you know, there's that line that the eyes are the the windows to the soul That's right. And to me Your entire devotion here and how you were explaining it to us is a great and metaphor to to that Specifically to to god That's right. Yeah, so much can be revealed by the face That's what the nuns told me taught me And I've been telling people recently If you go to the highest security prison in your state, go look at the men Look at their faces And if you go to one of the holiest convents in your state, look at the faces of those nuns, you'll see a difference Because there's a lot that's revealed on the face. You can't hide It's it's it's the window to the soul and hopefully The devotion to the holy face Will allow us at the end of our life to be able to see The happy face of our lord Welcoming us into heaven But we have work to do between now and then it's not It's death is not the only requirement to make it to heaven. It's more than that. We have to be in the state of grace and all devotions That heaven gives us They stress something that we're missing the point on in any current any generation And so the holy face is is stressing some points that we're missing. We're not focusing on the rights of god And the first three commandments There's irreverence. There's blasphemy there's uh Not worshiping god on you know one hour A week So this really is stress is stressing a lot of things. I could talk for hours Oh Your work is is clearly inspired and for those of us that you've It educated on this I on behalf of all of us. I appreciate what you've done and what you're doing what you continue to do I wanted to maybe conclude with the quote you have from the book. You mentioned The spiritual army that this is looking to inspire the the goal of this book The secret to the holy face To form a spiritual army a movement from god to throw off the yoke of evil elitism and ideally One million members of the arch Confrontanity of the holy face and the confraternity of the holy rosary that you encouraged in conjunction with it and For any more information martinians.org is the the easy place to go and to to join the the spiritual army, right? Yeah, that's the place to go martinians.org you can go league of st martin In your search bar and you'll find us Well, maybe a great way to to wrap up our conversation is kind of how we started as well If you don't mind you could bless us with another prayer. Sure in the name of the father and son of the holy ghost May the most holy most sacred most adorable most incomprehensible An ineffable name of god Be forever praise bless love adored and glorified in heaven on earth and under the earth And by all the creatures of god and by the sacred heart of our lord jesus christ In the most holy sacrament of the altar. Amen. Amen in the name of the father and son of the holy ghost. Amen Father laurence carney the secret of the holy face And for all your work we appreciate it and have enjoyed this time with you. Thank you. Thanks for having me It's been an honor to be here