 Dude, I kind of wanted to talk about this subsplit stuff. Yeah, I was wondering How much longer do you think twitch is gonna be around? I think it's it's not looking too great. I think it's looking really good. I mean twitch is gonna be fine-ish, but it's just kind of It's a YouTube is not making very much profit from Streaming the way that they're making profit is from the videos. Yeah So they're taking like a hit, but then it's bringing traffic to YouTube essentially YouTube has a bigger budget for live streaming than from Google than Amazon has for twitch Yeah, I would assume which is crazy because Amazon is Amazon, but then but Google You know, yeah, and they have to budget Yeah, do you think that now that twitch made this change that they're still gonna be profitable or they're going to be profitable? Do you think this will make them profitable and then they won't go in the red? Or do you think it's just like I don't think it's enough. It's probably not enough Here's one of the biggest issues too is like this is what people are upset, right? Cuz the 70 30 deal like you if you have the 70 30 subsplit like you're lucky Like because not everybody has that They haven't been giving it out to new people for a long time Supposedly, but you have that then you're like lucky to have that to begin with but the problem is now is That YouTube has changed their base pay their base subsplit to 70 30 So so now it's like YouTube has a base 70 30 Subsplit for members to well the culture isn't there of people getting like memberships on YouTube But it's getting better and better now YouTube has added hosting to which is getting rid of hosting They want people to raid that's stupid because it like kills offline chat culture doesn't kill offline chat But it just makes it annoying why is it getting rid of posting actually because they they want people to raid Because they want people to actually go to the other person's channel, which to be fair rating usually is better But if I want to host somebody How you're having a good day you guys remember how I used to have a contract with tWitch my contract didn't get re-upped with because because of some weird stuff and then They came out with this new ad deals like we have but you can do like the 55% they am like yeah, but this is not Equal to what I was getting before and also it wasn't even available to like basically what happened was whenever Whenever I lost my contract it cut like 40% of my income, but with this new ad revenue thing, right? Yeah, but which doesn't actually bring any traffic to their site like I'm not that I'm aware of it's all this on the streamers and so the gas prices of just like Streaming in general being 50% of your income or of what you would be earning just 50% of the entire Ordeal it just means that that's how expensive it is to stream. Yeah, I mean I get why they for them But I'm confused is it is it that really how it is it's pretty bad The cost of streaming is actually really bad if we wanted to just like run our own streams like on our own server and stuff and just People would just like log in to like some other website to get it It would be pretty expensive. No, they own the servers. Yeah, but like they own the servers But like they don't to be fair. They don't just like pull data out of their ass Right. They pull it out of Jeff Bezos ass Is YouTube live make money or is that being back for the rest of my YouTube makes well Google owns YouTube and Amazon owns twitch that doesn't necessarily mean twitch has all of Amazon's money It's not like you have one bank account and then all the money is there and you can just spend it However, like you have budgeting like twitch has to get more budget from Amazon for stuff Like it's not really a specifically twitch problem, but it's a problem for twitch, but it's not caused by twitch It's the problem is is Amazon needs to give twitch more money But then Amazon doesn't want to give twitch more money because they're like, well, this is not They're like if they're not profitable and it's like why would you keep investing into it? Okay, let's talk about some of the stats which he's in their posts the most obvious CDN cost Using those fries to make cost cleansing twitch is done for years now. It's misleading But not the way many streamers think broadcast cost 200 hours times 2 he goes 400 20k hours of HD viewing is 7 cents 1,400 20,000 hours full HD viewing hours is 14 cents of 2,800 so a total of 1800 to 3,200 And that assumes 100% NA traffic mixture. This is for a hundred CCV to twitch stream Oh having more viewers cost them more money Yeah, I think if twitch gets rid of prime subs right now long story short I think twitch is in a position where if they get rid of prime subs there's Effectively no reason to stream on twitch instead of youtube because even right now youtube has better. It's got Higher bit rate that the tech is just way better and I mean the community is on twitch, but it could very well not be you do chat so sucks Yeah, but so does twitch chat look at all the extensions that we have for twitch chat The people act like youtube chat sucks, but twitch chat also sucks like we have we have 7 TV We have BTTV we have all kinds of stuff that we get anyway that stuff exists for youtube youtube has 7 TV 2 now Are you thinking about switching? Dude, I already switched this stream is on youtube right now. No, um, I'm just saying like it's it's starting to get to that point now for me It's like Twitch has better like support individual like partner support twitch has much better individual partner support than youtube does by far So there is that and then there's twitch prime, but youtube has like There's just so much better. Are you banned from streaming on youtube? Not anymore I was one of our started streaming on twitch You think talking about it is enough twitch won't change unless they see hitting their bottom line Ultimately, they're a San Francisco based tech company and all those companies have the same mindset Well, I mean all companies have the same mindset, right? They're a company and they have to make money, right? And I get that it makes sense, but I think the 70 30 deal is like a big They want people to run more ads and the truth is this is like I know ads suck I get it, but this is this is the truth ads exist to pay to have big companies pay For the content that you watch and and you don't have to and if you don't want to watch ads Then you get a sub you get a turbo you get something like that. That's the truth, you know, I still don't get any ads on twitch Hey, you know, it's like TV, right? Hi. I mean I started streaming on youtube for the first time Like whenever I started streaming on twitch, I was like, oh, like I don't want to watch youtube streams Whatever, I knew even back then even five years ago whenever I started streaming YouTube did a lot of things better than twitch on the back end watching youtube streams does not bother me Why? I mean it looks better. It looks if anything it looks the same Yeah, it looks it looks way better. It's kind of weird because it's just like It's weird to think that there's a whole like world and also I'm not even sure how to access the streaming category on youtube Yeah, but Well, it's youtube's because every new user is supposed to know how to do things Yeah, but if you sub to somebody in there live like it just it shows right away. How do you find them live? Yeah So we're on here Tim the tatman is live. Oh Subscriptions, okay, how do you find something new? Where's the discovery on switch? Twitch has no discover bill. Okay, let's say that I go on twitch I see an entire thing of like just chatting and all these different sections were the sections Where do I find someone new? Shit on he's just freaking out. I Reload cancer, how do I fucking do that? This is a new monomer for two is then beta right but like is this really that I don't think this is bad at all Like you can you can scan you can go and you can you can actually scroll through the body my main question No, what was your main question? Where are the categories? Where do I find people? This is not everyone who's live. There's way more Where are they? It used to be gaming dot youtube.com. There is why I'm like weird When you go to gaming dot youtube.com the first thing you see is to just collapsing It's Ludwig's video. Oh my gosh, that is so funny and then and then critical huge They don't have just chatting yes all the game sections top-live games dude that is so funny You to gaming dot youtube.com slash games But not all of them. Yeah, this is it. This is the sections I was the biggest while streamer on on YouTube five years ago streaming private servers, and I had like 500 viewers. There is no wow section on YouTube Nobody streams wow on YouTube