 I'm gonna hit go live All right, tell us when we start recording Don't worry, man. You won't miss the claps. It'll be highly entertaining Yeah It's gonna be a little little wild Long as it's close enough, it'll be okay The stream's bit rate is Changed that Set it to 50 100 tubes max 100 oh No, I I normally stream when I downscale From 25 or 4 when I downscale from 1440p to 1080p and I'm doing it at high quality at 60 FPS I normally shoot for like 7500 right around there because that's there That's not YouTube's max is 50 100 I thought oh no no like when I stream it straight up 1440p 30 FPS like all that I stream at 12 12,000 so 12 12 megabytes Yeah, you know you can I think on YouTube. I think you can stream up to 25 megabits So 25,000 I'm pretty sure plebium I stream at 720p and then I use my My nginx proxy server to also pipe it into an OBS studio up there where I upscaled to 1080p Then stream to YouTube. You can't do anything normally. Can you yeah? I have a maximum upload speed of two megabits per second. That's why okay I want to agree with them because I my maximum upload speed is 16 megabits, but Slow on the low end makes me feel bad for complaining about my 60 That's why my streams always have a have a little bit of grain to it's not it's not the bit rate It's the upscaling that does it All right, so we should be live I'm still getting the warning for the little bit rate even though it's been changed We'll see if that goes away sometime So if we can get some yeas or nays on the other it went good excellent connection fantastic Yeas or nays for those of you in the chat of the audio is working fine We'll go around and do some talking Josh do some talking, please Talking lots talking talking talking Steve Talking talking less talking less your guys's imagination just blows my effing mind Tyler Talking even less even less much less Okay, so Now what am I supposed to say cuz after all that scintillating conversation you've been talking the whole time It should just work You say it should just work Yes got some yeas, oh Glorious, it's working. You guys have no idea package slash si You have no idea How long it's taken get set up today? So let's go ahead and Get ready to record because we do not have all day Unfortunately, dang it. Okay, so I need to There's Tile X and the show notes. There's OBS and audacity and all the stuff so Okay, so the way we will do this is that we will spend the first five minutes or so Going around talking a little bit about what we've done this week We're gonna be very very brief on this We the reason why we're even including this because I wasn't going to but Tyler has news so we need to talk about it and then We will go around The Where we'll do one link each and then we'll go around and do the next link each I'll go first and Tyler Then who do I have next I think I have Josh next and then Steve and then we'll go back. I'll go I'll do the next one and then so on and so forth make sense Yep, okay after the after we do the first first news links each or you're gonna do the Then I'll do the contact information up. That's why it's in the middle I Didn't get pulled so you don't gotta worry, but it's still the same for me. I told you not to move it Damn it. There's a reason why it was there. So I don't forget about it. If it was at the end I would have forgot Anyways Yeah, the contact permission in between the two sections and then we'll do the thingies and everything like that and we will We'll go so Little bit behind the scenes for everybody who's watching live But I didn't get a chance to actually say this because I was messing around with effing transforms Oh also speaking of effing No swearing it if you can help it YouTube will kill us So that's all in the first 10 seconds I thought it is but everybody's being cautious because they don't because they're doing everything retroactively So if they change it again in like six months or whatever, they don't want the videos to pull be pulled down So because every that change that they made is being retroactively applied to everything you've ever recorded It sucks. All right. Anyways, I'm guaranteed to be the first one just to swear anyways So if you if you mess up, it doesn't really matter Okay so Everyone's got OBS and or uh audacity of these. So I'm gonna hit record in Audacity I'm gonna hit record in OBS everyone else should do the same and Tyler You're the clap man. So lead us through the claps All right three two one That wasn't even fucking close Just for clarity just one pause for like the second and clap, right? This is gonna be exactly like that scene from scary movie four They're always on your three to try again three two one Seemed closer that time. We're gonna it's gonna take a little bit The latency between between Tyler and I have the latency pretty close Josh is a little bit behind and then and then Steve who's in Lebanon It takes a little while to get the Lebanon don't don't worry about Steve. I'll get it from those two. I'll figure it out We're never gonna get that all together. It's just the latency is too bad Screwed up it's you know, it's almost like you're on BSD. I'm just saying Oh Man that was rough when I was on BS It was terrible Okay, I did I did I did say I did say yeah for tonight That's great told you I'll be the first okay, I can close volume control because everything seems to be working Thank the Lord. Okay, we're gonna get started here. Oh I Should say this I will say my name then Tyler then Steve then Josh so Okay, make sense Matt Tyler it's going around in a circle. It made sense to my brain. Okay. That's all matters Hey, everybody, welcome to the next cast. I'm your host Matt and I'm Tyler and I'm Josh I'm Steve. We still doing the right order Steve than me. Yeah, it's okay. Oh, it works. It's our first time So if you are listening to this or watching this, you'll notice something a little bit different. There's two extra Homunculus. I can't even say the damn joke. It's it's it's been it. There's two extra people here and So Steve, he's also known as many different things with zero in the name. So he's tech zero He's dark zero. He's many things with zero. He's named. He's the creator of Zero Linux he's here and then there's Josh. He's the we call him the our Fun-loving gentoo fanboy is I think what we've agreed on because that seems to be only the only Linux distribution that he can stick on for any Money time. Also, he hates arch or more likely arch hates him. I'm just saying It's not that hard man, it's just you just use zero Linux. It's he's sitting right next to you He sent it to me specifically Okay, you should definitely use that. It's you won't have any problems. I'm sure it's gonna be perfectly fine It doesn't sure about it. Is there a bug tracker available by the way? Okay Okay, so this is the Linux cast we talk about Linuxy things and we have added some new hosts So this should be an entertaining a couple weeks because it'll take us a while to get our shit together also. Yeah, I Can't swear, but I did I can't help it. It's just it's in my whatever. So Yeah, we talked about links to things and like I said, it's gonna take us a while to get to things together next week There'll be some more scenes so that you can actually see big like camera picture camera Instances of each of us. I didn't get a chance to do that today Also, I will work on getting things more centered because right now the names just aren't centered at all on the They're close, but they're so wouldn't you notice they're not quite centered. It's just gonna drive me nuts the entire time So anyways This is the links cast we're gonna start with What we did in Linux this week and really the only person I care about no offense Josh and Steve We got to talk to Tyler cuz Tyler you have some Linux news for us this week. What is it? Yes? Well, I've left Mac behind I'm back on just plain old vanilla arch. I got my big like desktop setup. I'll put back together I was so like I switched over to Mac in the first place just because I want to do game development to stop doing that and I've been doing a lot of like web development stuff and When you're doing that kind of crap like you got a lot of projects a lot of files to manage and the one thing that MacOS does really Really poorly is a managed files Unless you're fine with just shoving all of your crap on your desktop folder like Yeah, it's pretty terrible. So I just I got to the point where I was having like I was genuinely having anxiety over losing files and like just not being able to put them in Sensible locations and have them backed up. Yeah, huh. I see that Mac folks zero. Uh-huh Yeah, yeah, I bet you're running. I bet you're running Linux on it a hundred percent He used to work for Apple he's an Apple fanboy bigger than you ever were The fact that this is a 20 2016 first gen touch bar MacBook And the Linux on that thing is touch and go. So I just left it Trying it as a download station. I you just use it to download my my big files But that's all it does every day all day Well, so since since you've used Apple quite a lot like What's the deal with with having like grid mode like like where files I don't know go on a grid and so you can't overlap them. Why is that on a per folder basis? Like why? Hi I'll as I used to work for Apple. I have an insider kind of point of view. Okay Insider point of view is we like cleanliness over Thorderness That's a word. I Asked I asked and they were because I had the same issue as you and I was like, why is it? Why don't we have a freedom to do what we want to do? They were like I told them it's it's a file explorer we we should Minimum we should be able to do is drag stuff over stuff. Yeah, they were like I Messy and it's simpler that way. I was like any reason development wise or whatever Up for us to say you have to go to the development section. I was like, okay We never got the answer Yeah, that makes sense because it just Oh, I mean, it's just one of those things where like it's it's clearly not been decided by like Everyone that that's the way it should be done, but that's just the way they're doing it, which has been the set finder has been the same The past I don't know 20 30 years. I don't know how long Mac has been around Ever since the the very first Mac OS 2.0 or whatever it was the first desktop version been the same way My whole point of this was to talk about Linux and we still ended up talking about Mac We're talking about Linux and the fact that file management is way better like Yeah, that's a win and it's almost like it didn't after 30 years When generating some nails it's faster on Linux than it has ever been on Mac or Windows Didn't know that All right, so Josh you made it to Gentoo is that that's where you ended up settled settling on is on Gentoo And you're using Gentoo right now to record the podcast, right? Yes Gentoo is working flawlessly to record this podcast unlike Fedora All user error not Fedora's fault, okay? All right, so anyway, okay, so it was Sunday night last week where I updated Kubuntu and all the PPAs pulled in software that broke the system and Of course me being me. I did not take the time to set up butter FS and file system snapshots So I had to make a determination. Do I distro hop or do I fix it? I? distra hopped I took a quick pull on mastodon and everybody on mastodon told me to install arch Linux, so I installed arch Linux I Installed arch Linux like four times actually because the first time I saw an arch Linux I just like I'm old-school. I'm gonna go in I'm gonna follow the installation guide and we're just going to install arch Linux Well Pac-Man had this wonderful issue where even though I had working network DNS and internet It it would 404 on all of the repositories. I took the time. I I Refreshed a mirror list put a brand-new freshly generated list using their mirrorless generator Still nothing So then okay, so let's let's do some googling here Let's ask around look on on the forums found some some found some it some found some issues There's an AUR package of a Pac-Man that maintains older versions Pac-Man dash static So I installed that that still didn't do anything. I completely nuked Pac-Man from the system and compiled it from source, right and Still nothing like okay, so then I blew that installation away I ran the arch install script same exact issue Like well, that's interesting Well, I've got I've got this virtual machine of art of an arch Linux system that runs So let's take that machine offline. Let's boot a live image into that to a CH and Let's just R sync that to my desktop hardware Pac-Man still 404 This sounds like if you with your hardware, I'm check I'm checking bug reports and everything I'm not finding anything of course. I'm I'm actually banned from the arch Linux bug tracker Believe it or not, I'm actually banned from it because of issues that I've had with arch Linux in the past No, but the chat says sounds like to be a hardware clock issue. I think that that could because when I check the hardware clock It's set proper. It's set right. It's set on my I run I run a local NTP server And my NTP server is synchronizing time with all the other mirrors perfectly fine So it's like okay. Well, it's not a hardware clock issue Just no matter what I tried I could not get it to work So all of this to say Gen 2 solves all of your problems and it's the best distro and we should all choose it. That's where you're leading to, right? Okay, yeah I don't I don't think Steve agrees. I think he's an archfam boy. You're an archfam boy Not an archfam boy, but I haven't used anything but arch so I can't judge So because I was I started on Manjaro, then I ended up okay Manjaro is not it's not what I want What do I want? Create your own distro and so and I've been I've been using KDE ever since I've been using it for two years and then People kept knocking knocking one thing. Oh, I was like Oh, isn't that the arch nemesis of KDE? Then I thought as a mature adult and I thought Okay, it's the other side of the coin. No, good. I'm stuck here, right? Standard isn't it? Used it. I used it the way it was meant to be used without messing with theming. Just adding the extension to eight extensions that are necessary like Dash to dock, bore my shell and Pop shell and the others are for my hardware not related to GNOME It works and I had zero issues with it and to be frank With a GNOME works better with more hardware than KDE does. Although I am a KDE Fanboy if you want to call that call me that I still prefer GNOME when it comes to stability me not talking about other users because users say Could can have issues not telling me some the only users that reported anything. They were like Oh, why don't you make zero G your default addition because it works way better than KDE does. It was like No, that's not gonna happen. I Suffice it to say I've been enjoying KDE the only issues I've had with KDE are The opposite of yours as it so happens man. You can't get your displays to To sleep. I cannot get it get them to stop sleeping If we could only split the middle and have see but I found that my problems aren't plasma specific mine Happened on XFC too. So there's something going on with fedora That's that causing that problem. I think I'm hoping it's a fedora problem Not a hardware problem actually because if it's hardware issue then it's gonna happen on all distros and that's pain the rear It's dumb because it does not happen like I three will go to sleep perfectly fine awesome went to sleep for perfectly fine I was using Qtile for a long time that went to sleep perfectly fine. So it has nothing to it has something to do either Now you can remember I've never used Wayland. So maybe it's an X work problem. It could be an X work problem But I'm not gonna use an extra if it's an XO problem. I could be having it as well, but I don't have it It's weird. All right, so moving on to the main Part of the show where we talk about news now what we've decided to do for this first time is that we're each gonna do two links If it turns out that we can't do that in a reasonable amount of time next week We'll do one each and then maybe like an extra one that we can all like agree on or something like that Just a you know kind of The problem is like when Tyler and I did we're alone here a lot of times We'd five like one or two links where we spent most of the time And we'd have one that we we get through quickly. So With eight links It should be it should be very interesting to see how we do this on time So I'm gonna go first this time and mine actually has to do with fedora. Unfortunately, I Can't show you guys the the article because I didn't set up the fucking audio on that scene. So I'll get it done next week Yeah, I can't help it it's dumb I I hate OBS with passion normally when I create a new scene collection I Duplicate the old one that way all the scenes. I already have set up or set up this time I created one from scratch because I'm a dumb ass You don't need to know it's just it's just bad So anyways the first article for me is the fedora 38 has approved a chains has approved a change to mandate quicker reboots and shutdowns This is an overall project They weren't working on across the board over the next few releases of fedora to improve the speediness of fedora itself So they're working on Reboots and shutdowns. They're rewriting DNF so that it's faster. Thank the Lord. It's finally happening They're redoing the installer so that it's faster and simpler and that is also way beyond due so They are working on Making it so that when you boot into or reboot into fedora it is faster and It could save up to like what I think the original change was one to shorten that from a two-minute shutdown service to just 15 seconds Now as someone who's used fedora for seven months or so like that I've never seen a two-minute shutdown service at all. It's never been two minutes for me It is slow, but that's because it spends a lot of time unmounting all the like 12 hard drives I have so that's usually why it's a little slow for me, but on my laptop It's usually really I mean maybe 30 seconds. So I don't know where they got the two minute Maybe that's what their like maximum is because everyone's you guys ever see see those like What they call them reload services or something they get waiting for the service to stop it like comes down And also dumping dumping driver cash and stuff like that Yeah, I would to contradict Josh who keeps saying zero Linux is nothing but a coat of paint on top of arch I have implemented those fixes on on zero KDE a year ago Because arch has the same issue for a lot of hardware. I figured it out. Thanks to a user on surprisingly enough the arch Linux for forums How to apply the fixes it's Replacing certain values in system.com But I applied them and I haven't had any reports of Reboots taking any longer than five seconds. So they've managed they decided ended up instead of doing the 15 seconds They decided to go with 45 second timer, which I suppose makes sense But it's so it's still it's half the time as it was because it used to be a minute 30 from what I know Maybe it was two minutes. It says it's two minutes, but I've never seen a two-minute one But anyways, it's implemented on Fedora Fedora is kind of different Well, we were talking about yeah Fedora so Overall, I think this whole product where they're trying to get things to run faster is really really nice because Fedora had some problems where it was just Slow in some aspects DNF is just horrendously slow unless you I mean once you enable Parallel downloads is not affordable, but that first run When you first run DNF in enough Fedora fresh install is just so slow because it's got a It got kind of pulls on the package database it indexes then it checks the GPG signature with it Make sure it matches which you know pythons of gloriously quick at doing to begin with and it's all it's a full python stack here Plus the mirror the mirrors aren't notorious They're faster than open Susie's mirrors, so that's good, but still All right, so go ahead Josh Just remember to never enable fastest mirror equals true. It's actually a really bad idea Well, because it's opposite, right? It's actually looking then it like it'll run it'll run that check every time you every time it goes to refresh the library the Repositories which is on a 24-hour timer. So if you catch it right before that timer runs, you're gonna be sitting there waiting It's better just to set your max parallel downloads option if you're going to do it Which by the way DNF has it enabled out of the box with three parallel downloads But if you do if you modify that setting just to modify that never call fastest mirror equals true And just let DNF figure itself out because it will be faster for you anyway in the long run Piece of advice Excellent. All right, so Tyler your first news item of the week Mine is about Unless I need to change this but I don't think I do but in video so they came out with a new driver no surprise but it fixes like Quite a bit of stuff like there's they've got some they've got like a few different bugs down here that were pretty big Like one was one was relating to Vulcan and allocating memory But the biggest things is like they've improved this on some UFI systems, which I know I know a couple guys who've got Nvidia and who have had issues relating to that. So Are you one of those people zero? No, one of my user never he puts His laptop to in suspend mode and closes the lid used to open it Everything was messed up all his displays go messed up and it takes a long time to wake up After updating the driver Issues some of those issues are not yet all gone But it wakes up much quicker and his displays are no longer messed up Perfect. Okay. Oh, I can confirm that phase On my side, I still have to try it sit on my end enable Bend or hibernate or whatever whatever it's called and But but we have to remember Not all hardware is created equally some hardware does not support suspend out of the box It's not a driver issue, but it's on the hardware end No, especially when you get in that laptop range like the lap the laptops are where it's like it's touching go no matter what Yeah, because hardware especially manufacturers that have a direct dealings with Microsoft Because they removed Something called S3 state That allows because a lot of people used to suffer from a laptop They close the laptop they have the battery full at 100% they close the laptop put it in their backpack Go about their day like CES or whatever cover CES They take the laptop out of the backpack to do something. They find it warm Getting hot and the battery completely depleted With with that some people are with that driver on Linux who use Linux Have reported that it Fixed a few of them some hardware not every single GPU Yeah, well Hopefully hopefully laptops will only continue to get much better Especially when it comes to the driver like the graphics driver aspect and again, it you're right It's not just drivers when it comes to that stuff But a lot of it comes down to drivers a lot of it does But yeah, so that's that's my article Okay, so that was the Nvidia one Josh. Did you have anything to add to that one and our video? No, not really. Okay I forgot who I said was going next. Did I say what was going next? I'm next in a show notes. Okay Josh you go next then Okay, GCC version 13 is coming But for now it's on stage for regress regression fixes only so if it's broke they're going to fix it right now So right now is your time to fix your future C compiler guys Because all these fixes are going to be back ported to previous versions of GCC's so to GCC 13.1 13.2 Now which means that of course arch lengths is once again going to fall behind on a C toolchain And we'll be need to be badly updated and have a thousand videos posted about over the course in the next two years before they actually fix it GCC waits in eternity before doing anything about it. I mean, I'm on Gen 2 So I just update GCC recompile the whole system and I'm good to go 16 hours We have working audio on that okay apparently audio does work in that okay, okay good Fixing audio and adding adding audio sources midway through the stream. Yeah Yeah, but anyways bait basically with this the basically what you the biggest features of GCC 13 is that it's going to be or Yeah, 13 is going to be introducing support for like does the Ryzen Zen 4 series, which I think is like there's 7,000 series GPU or the CP CPU. I mean it's going to have some Improvements for stuff like Alder Lake. It's going to implement support for C++ 20 and 23 It fixes it it fixes a lot of things I highly recommend that you guys read the gadoo.org Announcement because not even for our next covers everything and for our next is typically pretty detailed. Yeah Well, I mean there's It depends on the GC's GCC update we're talking about but there's normally a lot of stuff in there like Normally normally, I'll give them credit. There's a lot of there's a lot of work being done on GCC so But I don't know so I do I do have a question though, Josh Do you feel the need to update GCC very soon? No, not really. Okay, the biggest advantage to updating GCC now is for future is for the future Because everybody's in the future everything is going to be expecting GCC 13 Which you know, they do a wonderful job of of a legacy support in in the GNU compiler So it makes sense just to build against the newest version of the compiler to begin with I'm on Fedora. I don't care I Was expecting that Well, you see it was an open soosa maintainer that that wrote the announcement So I think open soosa is going to get that update before before a fedora does probably Because they'll probably wait till 38 or whenever either way most it most most of the major distributions probably will be shipping Won't be shipping like the latest versions GCC for at least the next two or three years But they're gonna because you know, they just wanted the stability fixes to come in first, which you know does make sense Okay, Steve your first one I'm gonna keep it on the Linux side I'm gonna go with my favorite desktop environment KDE It's the article talking about the upcoming changes to plasma 527 and since I think Most of us here love flatpacks There they have decided to integrate the flat seal features into the KDE settings This is the best part near and dear to my heart because Your Linux is switching to flatpacks as as we go along That's gonna be easier for users and other than that They are going to implement KDE specific tiling Into the KDE settings It's still not great. I tested it on beta. It's are are from being done Now are these doing manual tiling or dynamic tiling? It's Well manual tiling because you have to When up tell which direction to go Yeah, okay Create your own layout. Tell where what where do you want windows to go now? This is the start. I don't know where it's gonna head afterwards, but The fact that they have a shadow on windows if you and they don't have gaps So by default so window some some windows were overlap and the shadow will will be on top of the other Oh, yeah, the active window will have a shadow on top of the inactive one They still have a long ways to go, but it's good to hear that they're doing something about it without having us Install a plugin called bismuth for example Okay, so here's my question. They did this from scratch, right? Why didn't they just take bismuth and use it because it's good Because the scripting system that Katie that K-Win uses is actually not how it is actually just a plug-in on top of K-Win They're they're back putting this natively into the code of K-Win itself So they can't just take the bismuth scripts because the bismuth scripts it call API make API calls against the K-Win session Mm-hmm. That makes sense correct and they're upgrading K-Win as well And then it looks like that they're integrating all the flat pack permissions into the system settings menu Which which a flat seal is written in GTK? Of course, Katie being a Qt Qt environment means that they can't integrate flat seal into KDE No, it's not flat seal that they're integrating, but what I meant was features of flat seal. Yeah, yeah the features of flat seal into The KDE settings and that's what I've been asking for since I started switching to Flatbacks vanilla GNOME needs to do this so bad Yeah KDE beat GNOME at something That's how I saw it Honestly, no, no, she just bring flat seal into into the core project and then ship it with GNOME Well, you know Well, all right, let's integrate into the software store Steve and I have talked about this before that that flat seal needs to be a hard dependency for flat pack They should come together. You should not be able to use one without the other I mean, I mean a flat back GUI center. Yes, because I don't I don't want to run flat seal on it on a console only system But having it but having the the features of flat seal integrated into the system settings is a great idea Yeah, I think you have a have like a privacy section right there. It'd be a great fit right in there Yeah, it's it's in the it's in the under applications Under applications where you have file associations locations default applications underneath that you got flat back permission settings It's amazing the way they're doing it Yeah, that was a beautiful surprise when I when I saw it and they're also kind of feature I want KDE to build up and not just like the latest way to you know float a panel The floating channel I discussed it with With Nicola with Nicola, I I discussed it with him. He's like No, I am not going to give options to Change the gaps between the floating gaps and stuff like that Will someone please ban the guy who just said app images for the win I'm on I'm on a fresh Google account here, so I don't have moderation moderation privileges right now, sir Love to survive another day Earlier that app images Well, I don't hate them myself. I prefer flatbacks for for some applications like What's it called? Senghi that you mentioned to me? spoilers It's it's an app image. Yes, I know this is my on the a you are It's an app image repackage as an app image Even though Even though when we last had an episode concerning app images I had a very long rant purely from the from the user from the end user Usability standpoint of them, which I do have concerns with I do think that app images do have their place Especially when it comes around to like paid software downloads because they're not just going to give you a repository They're going to give you a binary that you use so I'll talk about stuff like crossover That's where an app image. That's where an app image makes 100% sense in my head So solve me the problem of installing and appearing in system menus, and I'll be okay with what I've been used We'll solve it for you. I have a solution for you Well, but you're going to I Know the main problem with it is is this the system for this where if the app images tie into the system Well, it doesn't need to be a completely separate obscure app It needs it needs to be like packaged with app image because that's something that like it's it's one of the things that makes flat Pack so great is like managing flat packs like that's done by flat like it's just there App images you're kind of you're kind of just left to the weeds like you take care of it yourself There needs to be a management system for app images that comes with app images like as a whole like support for app Images should have the system put in There is something that solves massive problem There is something called f image launcher. Yeah, I know about that already. I don't want it There is a solution and you the problem the problem with app image launcher first of all hard system D dependency because you know it it pre-builds a System D timer into it, but that's besides the point another point is that the is that if you look at to get a page hasn't been updated in two or three years Which basically which which if you use like their dead package the dead package doesn't install on modern Ubuntu systems What I want is consistency because there are some flat packs that if you go into your terminal Make it executable new dot slash package name or whatever it will install it just like a normal package Like pCloud is like this if you do that with pCloud it installs a fine. It shows up in your menu and it works fine It's an app image. It's exactly the way I want my app images to work But with this the thingy that I was is my pick my pick of the week It doesn't work. It's not the same now. So it's not the same across the board There needs to be a standard where this works, you know, and I know not everybody uses the terminal But fine, you know, but I agree when it comes to terminal. I agree. I have nothing to say about that But app image launcher, although it hasn't been updated like Joss said in a long long time I installed a game that we streamed on my podcast It's It's an app image. I discovered that when you when you implemented with app image launcher into your menu and your system and everything There's a new entry in the context menu in app image launcher that wasn't there before it's called update You can right-click update your app image. Oh That's pretty cool. I didn't know I did that It does that I was surprised to see that so you see it in the app menu drop down the app menu right click on the app image data update app image it's gonna pull the latest one and call the old one dot old and So you have two versions and you can run either or you can still run either or but in the app menu The new the latest one will show up old one will not show up Still you can double-click on the dot old because it's dot old dot app image So, oh, but it but app image launcher does things very easy in a very smart way where it hides the dot old one From the app menu keeps the latest one and I was like It's a cool system Benefit of app images you can run multiple versions Yeah, and I don't care You can do that with flat packs too It's just flat packs does a really bad job of telling you that I can do that because you have to roll back into the get commit log of The flat pack itself to be able to do that. Yes Like both of both of our problems is just that some the the thing that is the app image launcher is not There's not a system that's put out by app image itself. Yeah I think I just need to do something other than double-click a click on option in a file manager like what he claims to do Yeah, another issue is you need a Decent enough hub to distribute your app images through because app images pull That thing app image hub does exist as an official app image project. Yes But it's more of a website It's a thing store. Yeah, yeah, rather than a GUI on on the system more people prefer GUIs Yeah, the reason why it's not in any of the GUI stores is because all the maintainers of the GUI stores have their own thing I mean except for Katie which Katie does, you know They support, you know, obviously from the repositories and from flat pack and you know snap depending on what distribution you're on, right? So they are much more agnostic But if you if you're on a boon-to-base system, you're gonna get snap unless the Flavor or whatever has decided otherwise and they're almost certainly if they have decided otherwise, they're gonna choose flat packs There's not a distribution out there. Then why like what's nitrix is that is that nitrix that chooses app images? Yeah, that's like the only one that chooses app images and that's you know Nobody uses. I mean, I'm sorry to the distros maintainer, but nobody uses your distro. Okay. I mean very few people It's very obscure. It's just it's a niche. It's a niche dish on that There's nothing wrong with there's a thousand niche distros, but there's no mainstream distro out there that says hey We're gonna support app images as a first-class citizen in our app store. It just it doesn't exist and there's a There are many good reasons for that is because app images is not as good at the at being a packaged Managed thing as flat packs and snaps which are are meant to be used to are meant to be installed by a Package manager of a sort right. There's no package manager for an app image really You have to install each one individually or have this other thing which some third party has created and has an updated in two years All right, we got to move on though, but but speaking of flat packs. We can just continue on the In your debate will just continue on because the next story is mine So over 90% of systems have had flat pack Install says can own the research this really isn't a hit against app images because app images is a is it afterthought? This is a hit against snap, right? This this this is 90 according to their research of seraphated now first of all I have Huge problems with the person with the people who actually did the survey. It's from the can own project so Not quite sure they're the most unbiased people to be doing a survey, but whatever it's according to this they said 90% of systems had flat pack installed now I'm not sure I read this a few days ago. So I don't really remember but it said the research consists of 2,500 users across varying hardware and software configurations They had an initially they had received 2560, but they had to remove some from the dataset Dude and not using a canome installation. So this is just canome installations So it doesn't just know I'm on hardware because they also remove virtual machines. Yeah, so this it's not the most If you if you just read the heart of the headline, which is what I initially did like oh my god Like 90% of Linux systems are using flat pack. That's not true. It's just the ones that are using canome and Happen to fit within the surveys parameters and it's done by the canome project. So take from it, which you will but Well, this information was collected through the gnome info collect tool Which is which is if you didn't know about it, you probably never ran it So you so your statistics won't won't be counted towards us at all And that's why the sample size is so small to begin with because you actually have to intentionally Install that package as well as run it I would like to see the because it It's a because fedora had fedora before fedora and a boon to have The information collect thing that they have you enable through the welcome screen, right? And it'd be interesting to see from them how many use snaps how many use flat packs Because that's also in fedora 37, which how many people are actually using fedora 37 I mean I understand that you're using but how many people are actually running fedora 37 on their computer right now because uh I guess hold on Just to back up what you're saying josh people who have been using fedora like most likely They're not on the last version because I mean that you're literally describing my grandmother and my mom Like both of them are running older versions of fedora. So well, I mean They had the the software Survey thing in fedora 36 as well. So it was there Well, yeah, it was there, but it wasn't installed by default But the the thing is Either way The the point is is that it would be interesting to see that data compared to this data because this data I Chances are if you're running genom like stock vanilla genom where this is actually because this is not going to include Ubuntu Which that's running genom, but it's not actually vanilla genom So it's it's not going to have any of that data So it's interesting to see what like the raw data for this project actually looks like from the total number Responses or even just down in the future when they continue reporting this that this data But you know, it is a pretty interesting use case where it's just like even with the data that they showed 90% of users are are running flat pack with gnome Which that makes sense because that flat pack integrates so well with gnome as it is it does. Yeah um The thing is is like I would want I want to I really want to see hard numbers for flat pack versus snap because There's so much hate for snap like Even the the the thingy of the week that I'm going to be using today to see if and I just talked about it Is either app images or snap and as much as I hate app images. I chose the app image over snap um It'd be interesting to see You know with those actual numbers are I don't think that Very few distros actually publish that raw data. I know ubuntu does sometimes like they do it What every five years or some weird thing? Uh, and you only get snippets snippets Well the ubuntu data is no good because ubuntu never tells you how many people are actually using ubuntu Yeah, uh, they know and you and uh, they've have they have access to repositories And they can see how many times somebody runs sudo apt update per day or And from what ip address it so they can collect that data, but they just don't announce it And I don't necessarily blame them for for announcing that because then people will be crying. Oh, canonical using telemetry again Yeah, yeah, yeah But actually like I mean man, you do have a good point like this is a very small sample size But it would not surprise me if extrapolated out like to the entirety of everyone who uses GNOME if it's not damn close to 90% using flat pack because pretty much everyone that I know that that uses snaps flat packs app images like they use flat packs like Especially on like ubuntu and stuff If you do like retro gaming gaming in general like a lot of the times you're just going to be using flat packs like you're it and it's just natural like A great example would be a low spec linux laptop or jeff He had like a couple games that he was trying to play that were like That that were distributed only as snaps and flat packs and There was only one like there was only one out of a handful of games that were distributed like this That he chose to use the snap version Only because the flat pack version like they didn't I guess they didn't like update or whatever But in every other case the flat packs ran better They or the snaps had like direct issues like in bugs that the flat packs didn't have So as far as I know a lot of people use like a lot of people use flat packs on systems that already have Either snaps already enabled or installed so I mean, I guess I'm one of the few who used snaps for six months And I didn't know the existence of flat packs, but once I discovered the existence of flat packs and tried them Let me know I'm using I have 180 flat packs on my system I remember when snaps first came out everybody was super excited and loved snaps Yeah, it quickly changed though. It really did quickly change I mean canonical is pulling in like community members and everything on like these hack fest Just to get like the whole concept of snaps working because you got to remember that snap was the very first of these universal package formats Well, and it was meant for enterprise use. It was meant for it wasn't meant for enterprise use It was it was meant for desktop use and no it was meant for enterprise use It was meant for servers. That's what that was the whole purpose of it That's why they didn't care that everything was slow to launch because it was meant to be distributed through servers That's the reason why I took that when When firefox was released as a as a snap That's why I took them six months to fix it because they had to go in and retool the entire thing to Didn't be prior to that their only focus was enterprise. They didn't care about the desktop canonical still doesn't care about the desktop I can imagine the most downloaded snap is next cloud because next cloud the only way For it to work correctly is via snap. Yeah, not the not via anything else But anything other than and I and I agree with mat here It was meant for enterprise use because most of the snaps are cloud-based Stuff related stuff server Configuration packages and stuff like that Everything else came afterwards they started distributing applications like firefox and brave and stuff like that as snaps and started rolling from there it's just We've talked about tyler and I've talked about this before on the podcast but canonical's interest in the In the desktop has waned over the last few years and snaps is there It was ported to the desktop Is not the right word But it was I think it was always intended to end up on desktop But that was never like it's kind of like canonical if you pull up your archive.org Wayback machine and you look at the original snap announcements. It's all desktop They don't mention server until later when uh commercial interest finally picked up because canonical was very diehard on docker at the time It came to server first. I know that for sure Well, yeah, it did come to server first because everything comes to to server first because that's where canonical makes their money Because it's an enterprise product Yeah, but it was purely the ubuntu desktop team that first came up with the idea of snap and first proposed it All right, another another reason another reason for using snaps. Sorry to cut you off tied by Is portability app images and snaps are more can be more portable than flat packs and native packages So portability was on on their mind as well like take me for example have a lot of app images why It's because I have a snaps and app images because I have an nvme drive that's connected to my system right now an external nvme drive Where I put all my portable apps very generic like a browser and I forget what else but I have like six or seven app images and like three or four snaps because I can Take it to to anyone's home plug in my plug in my ssd nvme And run my apps like that They have my settings and everything embedded into them We'll have to reconfigure them or whatever. So this is another attractive This is another thing that they use to attract people to to their packages All right, fellas, we gotta move on josh. Oh, hold on before we move on We forgot something the contact information. Uh, it was supposed to go before me and I messed that up I'm surprised even in the middle. I know it's in the middle. It's where it's supposed to be But I wasn't looking at the show notes. I was looking at the at the browser Okay, so moving on to the contact information before we we settle on our last three links Uh, I'm gonna mess this up. So I apologize right ahead of time So if you want to subscribe to any find any of this information You can do so at the links cast.org. That is the website There you'll find previous episodes blog posts that I release all that stuff There's also a contact page, which I'll mention here in a minute You can support me on patreon at patreon.com slash the linux cast And subscribe to me on youtube at youtube.com slash linux cast tyler is also on youtube He actually has done one stream this year His whole goal of doing one every day Not so much But anyways, you can use more content than zany this year. Um true story But also not a hard bar to reach. I'm just saying Uh, you can subscribe to tyler's youtube channel youtube.com slash zanio g He's also has a discord server the link for that will be in the video description and on the contact page Josh has a website. He's at 10 lee j.com slash stalker. You can find that. It's a fantastic You are all there Uh, Steve is on youtube at youtube.com slash at zero linux zero with a z Or that's an x matt learn your alphabet zero with an x x e r o linux Um spelling is really freaking hard Anyways, he also has also uh several other links those will be in the in the contact information Which you can find at the linux cast dot org slash contact where all of these links You'll be able to find and click on including the email which you can find which I don't actually have here listed email at the linux cast dot org I do get all the email that you send me. I do read it I don't reply to it because i'm a horrible horrible man Just I just I I'm really bad at replying to email So if you if you've sent me email and I haven't replied to you know that I've read it I just You know the reply button is waste far away and I can't reach it. Um, good enough excuses anyway So that is the contact information are Yeah, so uh, josh your last link Um, my last link, uh, let's see here kody Cody is your is your home theater Software of both the past and the future it it used to be called the xbox media center But they've since rebranded the kody like 10 years ago. They've introduced a new version version 20 of which, uh I don't think any distribution is shipping version 20 yet But it features all kinds of great and wonderful things such as uh in in zany's case steam deck control support So now you can use your joysticks with kody Uh, it features a v1 It features a v1. So your arc gpu can actually work with it Uh, they've reworked the sub panel system. So now it actually looks native Uh And you know if you use kody to man manage any of your native linux games because you can't manage your steam library Unfortunately yet, uh, the save state has been vastly, uh improved If you're using windows it now features hdr support and it it supports nfs nfs form Some they've did did some changes to the context menu. That way it's a bit more consistent Which is always a great thing if you're using kody Uh, and then of course there's all kinds of behind the scenes and of course They're always looking for for additional help if you ever want to help them I've never used kody in my life. Is that a bad thing? I got always just use plex No, it's not a bad thing. It's just a matter of do you want the dedicated htpc? box like what i've got or do you or do you actually just use plex on a remote system And then you just use your your web browser to pull into it. Yeah, I do that Yeah, I mean Yeah, kody is like kody is not something that you like Are missing out if you're using something else as an alternative But kody is one of those things where like If you just want to set up a media center in like your living room or something like that It is probably the simplest route to do it. It is so easy. It's so seamless And one of the things that kody unfortunately gets a very bad rap for is Because it's so simple to use and clean and elegant almost everyone add-ons for Exactly And so there's a lot of add-ons and a lot of stuff for kody that are like that It's it's just for getting illegal content like served to your device And so they get a they get a big bad rap for that, but it's not kody's fault at all Like it's just they have a exceptional piece of software and people who Are willing to like not pay and get unlimited amounts of content Now the the biggest most important thing about kody is that we mentioned plex and there's somebody in chat mentioning jellyfin kody is actually a client It's not actually the server it can act as a server But it's a client that can hook to uh that can read uh all all your local files And uh, there's plugins you can add to get your plex library as well as your jellyfin fin library into kody as well uh It's just that if you it's just so for example if you're using something like an amazon fire stick or something like that You're probably not going to use the fire stick to actually, you know play back the local file on it You're just going to use something else instead of like uh Like uh plex or jellyfin you do it like a box and just use ssh Yeah, basically basically it's just uh It acts as a client for plex and jellyfin So think of it as like an alternative client that you can use natively on on your machine without having to rely on like an electron package or a web browser I was a user of kody for five years Uh, and I can agree with tyler sole use for it was on my shield to get what he said was it So, you know, we enabled the one add-on that I'm not going to say the name of because it could get matte to monetize But you know, it's the one add-on that has access to everything for free Yeah, but they used to be they used to be uh something called kody community builds That you can download images full images that you could download and flash as an open as an operating system Steve let me let me ask you a question see You used to use kody. Have you used kd big picture mode? How do those two compare? You know Did use kd e big picture mode tried it not used it Still has long long ways to go. Uh, basically it's Very hard to customize the icons for some reason The icons show up as small small icons in a big rectangle With a color For for for most apps some apps were tailored for tv then you see the whole icon All right, there are some desktop applications that you want to use as well that do media stuff But the desktop icons desktop applications not tv Applications I had an issue with having to customize those application icons. They don't make it simple Oh If you run for example, you want to run let's say discord I'm just giving an example on the top of my head on your tv You want to you have a bluetooth keyboard or whatever? The discord icon on the tv thing is going to be a rectangle with the purple color of discord With the icon of discord very tiny in the center I'm like, uh Yeah, I'm old. I can't see that. Why am I clicking here unless you memorize the colors? It's still very early days very early days, but yeah Big big so it still has work to do to go but kodi uh, I used it as as normal at first and Can say one thing I have never seen a tv box application Get metadata faster than kodi Yeah, exactly kodi has a direct access to tv md. They're not going through any third party services or anything They're going straight to because the kodi project actually has first class api support for tv md Which so that means that it gets everything super fast some titles included Yeah, and another thing I noticed that kodi Expects the language of the tv show like if you have if you have a french tv show like i do i have tv French tv shows and movies because that's our second language uh I tell plex region france france I tell it to scan my hard drive that has only french tv shows and And movies It still grabs the americanized posters What he does not it grabs the french posters with the french title Like why do you do this to me plex? That's if you if you guys are interested in like a preview in kodi 20 There is a there is a test a continuous daily build of libre alec you can grab and uh You get access to kodi 20 or you can compile it from source kodi's actually pretty easy to compile It's 20 not available in the in it's not available on arch It's not available on arch. It's not available on arch lame. It's available as a flat pack Of course Is it 20? Because when when I first looked at the article I checked the flat pack and I didn't see kodi kodi 20 as a flat pack I got that they were still on 19 Oh, no, they're on 20 now. Okay, so the flat pack's been updated Because I ship it in my aggregated application installer in the zero hello tool Uh, I check all the flat packs that I integrate integrate there, but uh, yeah kodi with that If you want to do a client server thing go with jellyfin don't go with plex plex It's been on the slowdowns They're not working on the features that makes plex actually good and usable and why you would want to run plex to begin with they want all this streaming nonsense like Well, they're also trying to they're also trying to present themselves as a legit company too Because you have to remember that plex is actually a corporate corporately backed software where it's a corporation That's running it and a corporation's goal is to remain profitable They've just made it so hard to find your actual content. They've buried it below I mean, I know you can move this around but by default All of their streaming stuff and you know fine, whatever A behalf of the stuff you click on like let's say they promote you a movie you click on it Like you can't even watch it inside of plex. It takes you to disney plus or whatever like that's that's not useful for me Whatever it's it's basically advertising. All right, but I You cannot delete the part that says uh free tv shows and free whatever I tried to take it out It's I cannot do at least on the shield does jellyfin do music yet It's been a lot it does. Okay, so maybe I'll give that track is Have an application for cell phones as well. The last time I I looked at jellyfin They didn't do music, but so that's been a while ago Um, so it'll be interesting. I'll have to check that out because I've been using plex and I pay The $40 a year for plex premium or whatever the hell it's called and it'd be nice not to have to do that anymore Anyway, so moving on uh, tyler. I realized we kind of skipped you. Uh, so your next one All right, mine is hard Yeah, no, it's all good. So I got g compromise three It's an educational software. Uh, it's they've released the new version 3.0 Um, and it's it's for children to learn like not just basic computer skills But and again, like this is a software like if you've got young children like like we're talking like Like three four to like 10 12 somewhere in there Um, this is a really great piece of software. It's it's it's linux like it it's made not specifically for linux But it is targeted towards linux. It's an open source application um, and No, we lost we we lost eve. Oh no I go to the transforms There goes all the transforms Okay, I I okay, he's back. There we go Did that mess everything up for you? No, it came back. It'll be fun. It's fine as long as it comes back Back, sorry, okay But yeah, so g compromise three it's a soft it's a piece of software for teaching younger kids how to do just basic computer things math skills and The basic type of stuff that you would want to to have your kids learning on a computer And it's actually just it's a pretty basic and intuitive like little I I actually downloaded and checked it out It's actually sorry, uh, tyler. I was laughing all throughout because it's not You compromise it's a it's a play on french word. I I've understood Yeah, I I just now noticed I've been reading it as compromise this entire time That means I understood Thank you for correcting me like I would have never noticed I would have kept saying that for like years compromise compromise. What? We're compromising our children Our children compromise by this application I love how I picked out this article. I never once even realized that I was completely misreading the names It was fun though. It was it was a good one compromise our kids. Oh no, our kids are not going to use that software They're compromising themselves I don't even notice of that name is ridiculous What is it? What is this base? Is it based on a boon to or is it its own independent thing? Uh, it's As far as I know, it's it's independent. I I don't think it's actually ran by Canonical or any other big like Linux group. Yeah, it's independent. Yeah A lot of these are actually just ran by like a non-profit Uh group that's uh typically set up by like a front front company Sometimes or you know, it could just be one of the standalone project We're started as like an individual project and then it kind of just grew from there No, well, they've they've done a lot of like so As far as I know the the people behind this project They've donated a lot to like different organizations and I think I think they've done a lot for like Ukraine Oh, so I'm I misunderstood. I thought that this was a distro It's actually just that's something you can you can install it on anything you want. Yeah, it's an application It's a bit like a flatback. Yeah, okay. It's just a little like learning app You can tell I was only half listening because I was missing around Steve disappeared halfway through I was like, oh no the transforms are done I just spent an hour on these things. Damn you Steve No, I just I just I just heard a notification on discord and I right clicked and killed discord. I was like I am on discord Okay And Tyler they just released version 3.1 Oh, wow, okay, that's fast. Okay Matches a bug of a panic attack. All right, uh, Steve your last one My last one is I hope we can keep it at a Short one, but twitter has updated its developer agreement explicitly prohibit third-party app makers from creating their own clients using their their company's ai Without even telling anyone they just hop All right, you mean I can no longer tweet from my notifications and gnome I mean you can no longer tweet from anything. That's not a twitter client um No, also all third-party all third-party clients like tweetbot like twitter rific Twitter rific by the way, I discovered they are the the ones who coined the term tweet tweet So, yeah So any third-party Twitter client It's axed Discovered this when I launched tweetbot because I'm on ios as I am a linux user who uses ios. I'm right there with you sorry, so On tweet, but I opened tweetbot my favorite twitter client I opened it up. I wanted to tweet could not log in could not log in and then it put Locked me out and I was on the welcome screen tried to re-log in With a big message By the tweetbot developers were no longer Uh We have an issue with our api. We hope this is temporary go check out our mastodon client Now they're developing a mastodon client. Yeah, I think that's where a lot of these twitter uh Developers are going to end up going is is mason which is good really good I know I know the tweetbot guys are I don't think twitter rific hasn't announced that they're going to do a mastodon client, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do um, but It's ilan musk. He ordered to to to decapitate all third party clients without telling anyone We were started and they were silent for like 24 48 hours and then they updated their terms and the developers of those clients were surprised to see that oh No ever you're never getting access to our api again Yeah, it's basically anything worked out for it's basically anything that that Duplicates twitter functionality like any twitter app functionality. So Uh displaying the timeline is going to be down Anything like that. So The explanation is very very makes so much sense If you look at your twitter clients, do you see any ads in them? Very rarely. Oh that is a good point Uh Ilan musk decided to kill all third party clients, especially though it was Such an easy ones that don't display ads It was such an easy fix though They didn't they didn't have to go this far all they had to do is just was push their ads through the api instead of not You know if they just pushed their ads through api so that they came through in the timeline like you know They probably should have in the beginning Developers would have tried to work around well, that's true But they could have been they could have added to the terms of service say hey you can't remove the ads Um, yeah, that would have been and instead they killed they killed they killed businesses, you know, like they Actual livelihood imagine being mastered on right now like Mast on as like as an organization as a company has to be like ecstatic their biggest competitor Is consistently like consistently for the past few months been making decisions that only benefit them and hurt twitter like It's a great time to be mastodon right now. It's a great time to be mastodon But at the same time mastodon is actually seeing a drop in you and a user Users completely but then again, it's a lot of time is because they're It's it's also a lot of time because you know a lot of these reports are coming from mastodon dot social Which mastodon does the social server has crashed several times this twitter thing happens Yes It's people moving to different instances But it's also whenever there's a new thing that comes around a whole bunch people come sign up Then they they fall away. That's the way the way that it bleeds everything happens. It will level off and then continue to slowly grow uh, you know, I'll have picks and picks and valleys and stuff like that, but If you read all the blogs like oh my goodness mastodons failing, you know, everybody's leaving mastodon people are fleeing mastodon That's just that's not true And another reason why uh, elon decided to to ax third party clients is because he doesn't want Others to control how? Timelines are fed to users once full control how people view Tweaks his ultimate goal and he stated this is to turn twitter into we chat Where it's it's a one-stop shop for everything he's called it and everything up So you're gonna be controlling your payments through there You're gonna have you're gonna be it's your messaging service all this stuff It's what he wants twitter to be and you can't Do that and have an open api access for other people to create basically a clone of your application Which takes out all the features you'd want them to have you know that benefit only you My problem with uh, with not having a separate client because if you check, uh official twitter client You get tweet It's replies, but you don't get them in chronological order Yeah It's a mess of of aggregated content and uh ads and Like today I said something on my podcast. I shouldn't have said but Twitter they don't police their their own platform well enough because They say oh, we want everything to be there, but everything good for the people yet. You see Excerated content on there. You see uh suicidal messages and stuff like that You don't police their own platform. Yeah a lot of crap on twitter It's the same thing on youtube youtube tells you not uploading pirated movies not uploading Erotic movies and stuff like that, but if you know how to search you're gonna find all that on youtube. Yeah, all right, so Yeah, they need to do a better job at policing their own platform if they wanted He's not gonna he doesn't want any policing and the only policing He wants is to make sure that you can't say anything about mastodon Or say bad things about elan musk. Those are the two only two things that you can't do Everything else is free speech The last point I want to make is that I still have my twitter accounts, but I will not be using them And this is this is a something that everybody who has a twitter account should do keep I know there have been a lot of people who have said i'm leaving twitter and a lot of people have Don't close your twitter account Just don't do it just make it dormant lock it if you don't want people to follow it Because the worst thing you can do is is in three months when that twitter handle becomes available again Is that somebody take it and then pretend to be you? So and like I said today twitter is very useful for us content creators. It gets more eyes on our content Just use it as a bridge between mastodon and I never Used it as a as a content promotion tool ever So I that I never law I I never lost it lost that capability I actually use mastodon more for that, but again, it's not even that I I use almost all social media except for for youtube as a means of communication between me and people that I've That I want to talk to Yes, I'm just using it because I need to reach my 4 000 hours. I haven't reached yet. I'm still at 1500 So until I reach there, I'm not gonna YouTube.com slash zero lens with a z. No, excuse me an x I did that that time it was on purpose just to be funny. Look, that's just like me with g compromise Need to reach those 4 000 hours. I already reached my 1100 subscribers. I just need those hours Yeah My thing is I actually have the hours because my youtube channel is actually really old and this I've got like 300 videos or something like that But uh, but uh, I'm actually disqualified from any monetization. So just like Whatever Josh you telling me that your band disqualified or not allowed to do something is always one of those things where I'm like I'm not surprised like and it's it's it's it's never because I can totally see you doing something That would get you banned but you've just been banned from so many different things for like Did you just Did you get an entire mastodon instance banned from someplace the other day dice? See that you you uh, no Actually, what I have that that's a whole another story that uh, I that I don't want to go into details here on this About because it's a whole shit fest because of how that mess about the origins of that mastodon instance The moderation policy policy that it publishes Versus how we uh practice of moderate is it moderation and all that but uh, that that's a shit storm for another time Okay, that's called somebody being woke versus somebody not being woke Okay, we'll move on then all right So moving on to the last section of the podcast what this we call very creatively thingies of the week We could have called any a number of things Like apples of the weeks or tips of the week or picks of the week or any of those things But those were all taken and thingies of the week was something that we could trademark And uh, don't you dare steal it because it's mine and you can't have it. So Thing I kind of sort of stole it today. Damn it, Steve All right Josh what you're thinking of the week Uh, my thing of the week is probably something that you probably Have seen but never actually used yourself because uh, you probably unlike me You probably don't have a server in your closet But my pick is going to be is is a project called cockpit Which is a web GUI management dashboard for your server and it is actually somewhat universal Uh, basically all it does is is it's a web GUI that interfaces with the stdio out So standard output and uh everything that you do in the cockpit GUI outputs into a terminal that Terminal in the on your server. So every change that you make is Say like if you're spending up a system d service or creating a timer It's it's generating that that service and actually running it for you Has a built-in terminal it manages software updates. You can manage your storage volumes Which uh, you know, I actually found it as like a great reference tool Specifically for you know, like system logs you can get that in a in a GUI image And you don't have to set up like a log service like a gray log Or uh, what what's that other really popular log thing that everybody's pushing now I can't remember it, but it's got all that stuff built in and And it interacts directly with your system logs you can you can even connect it with uh, other instances of cockpit running too That And uh, it it communicates over ssh. So, you know, that's secure and it's 100 Gpl top to bottom that entire the entire chain that cockpit uses Hmm cool. Yeah, it it is developed primarily by red hat, which is you know Why is gpl? Well and as a result you can't use it because dammit red hat sucks Uh, well you can use it matt right now you can Matt right now you can sudo dnf install cockpit and it will work I was being sarcastic. I use I use I use fedora Yeah, but uh, you know If you can install it it works on arch Linux it works on ubuntu It does not work on gen 2 right now because you know gen 2 doesn't have a package And uh, it does use some system d services, of course So if I if I set up gen 2 with system d, I would be able to use it with gen 2 Uh But uh, it It's actually a really cool tool. So if you have a home lab and you and you're looking for like one of those dashboard applications Uh, then it's then you can actually install it and have it act as your dashboard All right steve you're thinking of the week My thinking of the week is not a linux related thing But please forgive me your linux users out there Including me, but I forgive myself But it's a windows thing that mjd. I don't know if anybody's Familiar with mjd, but he's uh, an awesome guy on youtube He created a video on how to keep your xp Those alive in a vm of course, hopefully Because I I had I had the uh, I don't know what came over me yesterday, but it was an urge to play mid-down madness too uh, and Runs on xp and I it has an xp patch I was like, hey, why don't I spin up xp in my vm, but it's outdated my the iso is from 2012 or something uh, so uh, I spun it up and What this thing does is Microsoft when it Dead that support died xp in 2014 they didn't delete the update Else they kept them on the server, but the redirect link the forward link Uh was killed off So that what this user discovered is a way to create his own domain. It's called, uh What's it called, uh, I forgot the name of it It's on the theme of my tongue It's uh, it's called legacy update dot net Go to legacy update dot net on your windows xp machine It's the usual Windows xp update service ui cloned it Bit by bit right a bit like it Yeah, and it's even the scanner that starts scanning for updates is exactly the same The only difference being he has his social media links on the on the left pane mastered on and whatever But I was able to update my xp to the latest patch It was over 280 packages updates updates on my windows xp media center Edition It's update to the latest Only things that the only thing that failed to install was of course the live essentials because live essentials Are dead. So does this get does this allow you to update xp to xp service pack three or four? Whatever the last service pack was and then does it continue updates past that? That's that okay Because my window windows media center edition was the 20 2005 edition So it it even up. No, it was the 2002 edition. It updated that to 2005 update roll up two and beyond I had over 280 updates to do it took three hours I Was updated to the latest even dotnet framework they have In their updates they have dotnet framework 4.0 for windows xp That's actually pretty cool It's amazing. It I was able to play midtown madness Faction I was happy. I have luxor or as you guys know it as zuma's revenge uh So Like hey, I have a window and the best part is I can it's on a drive that is readable by windows and linux So if I ever boot into windows forbid If I should boot into windows and I want to use xp I can load up because it's a vmware image Because I have vmware on my system as well as virt manager virt manager being the primary one For windows guest os's it's vmware because it deals with them better uh, so was like Hey tool My xp still lives on So I reckon I highly recommend you guys check it out. It's legacy update dot net People you are Unsurprisingly, I will not be checking it out. It's windows. Um, but rest you all you just have some fun I'll continue to be me and tux will just be here You never know when you might need it in a vm like I did All right, tyler you're thinking of the week Uh mine is uh neo vm, which I hope is a program that like most people who would watch this podcast know about um If for some reason you don't um, I know you know of vm Like if you've used linux for like two days you've heard of vm So like neo vm is just it's just vm with extra shit on top to make it more Customizable more. I'm sure that's exactly how they describe it. Oh, yeah 100 percent. It was exactly how they describe it um, but one of the nice things about uh neo vm is The way that you can go about configuring it you can you can configure it with just using lua and I I found that setting up neo vm to be a full fledged ide with Uh, you know, like code completion servers like autocomplete like a whole bunch of different plugins and everything It was remarkably simple using a lua system So I've I've got all of my dot files for neo vm up on my git lab just in case anyone wants to go check them out um, but I've really enjoyed using neo vm for the past day or so and i'm probably not going to be going back to just regular old vm anytime soon and I definitely won't be Huffing across the pond emacs Soon um, all right. I saw I saw a joke earlier. I don't know if it's by you matt But why do people hate vm because they cannot quit vm Well rig just made rig just made the same joke because I opened vm once had to throw away the computer out a way after um, anything is uh As as the only emacs user here and that's the last reason why I learned emacs was because I could never escape emacs it's You mean them, but yes No, I'm talking about emacs. You can't escape emacs either. That's the reason why you chose emacs was because you couldn't escape it That's the reason why you're still there. Oh, I just control c control x That's a little bit more complicated than wq. All right, so One thing is for I want to say about yours tyler is that I talked about a script last week called kickstart vm and that was created by one of the neo vm Developers and if you run that it sets up neo vm as an id immediately I got to the box packer all the language servers. Uh, what's called mason m a it's not yeah mason The thing that installs a whole bunch Whatever it's called You know it installs all that so that you can install more language packs and stuff like that if you want so it's really nice Um, that was my thinking of the leaks last week. So head on over watch last week's episode Listen to me talk to that. So my thinking of the week is one that i'm i'm Both extraordinarily happy with and also upset about it's called sangy. I'm not sure if i'm pronouncing it right I apologize if i'm not One of my favorite twitter clients of all time is tweak deck and i've used tweak deck for years since 2009 when i had a twitter account Uh Before it was purchased by twitter and it was really good and it progressively got worse over the years So they actually had to have a like a browser plugin called better tweet deck or whatever that Brought it back some of the features, but anyways, uh, sangy is a tweak deck like mason client That offers a ton of features And is extraordinarily extraordinarily well put together it allows you to create a whole bunch of panels you can create You can follow hashtags you can edit so it has all the messes on four Uh features and stuff like that, which is really nice So it works really well my only problem with it is that it only comes in app images or snaps So there's no flat pack version i've talked to the developer He's the reason why there wasn't a flat pack version before is because it's developed an electron And the thing that he uses to build an electron didn't have flat pack support until just recently so Apparently the flat pack version is coming when he has time. So that'd be nice As of right now i'm using it as a flat pack and it's one of those flat or excuse me I'm using it as an app image and as of right now it's one of those app images that just will not install So i'm either going to have to install app image launcher, which i do not want to do just shoot my system dead Um You can also just write a desktop file for it. I just want to be able to click on the damn thing. Mike Can I click on it and have it just? It's in my dock right now. It's in my dock right now. So Um, yeah, it didn't it didn't work on on fedora. Like it it whatever it doesn't matter I we don't want to rehash the first half of the show We've done that before anyway, so that that is really good if you're on mastodon And you preferred the like of tweak deck when you're on twitter. This is a good replacement for it has quite a few of the same features I'm surprised that you matt You're one of the very few people. I know who started using mastodon on uh Ferdium Why aren't you still using it on furtium? Why do you need another uh another application for Okay, so furtium on fedora for whatever reason takes a ton of resources if you leave it open And I leave stuff open all the time. So after something electron after pulling up other electron apps Yeah, yeah, so it's really really bad at one point was taking like eight gigabytes of memory like No, goodbye. Also every time I opened like h top the number one cpu usage thing was furtium like It's a social client. It does not need to use half of my cpu. Okay, it just I have 12 services open in the on it on arch and at most it uses 2.5 gigabytes 2.5 gigabytes is a lot of memory man I'm feeling like 120 gigs I have 64 but I'm I hoard them, you know, I that stuff needs to be available if I need to I don't know I don't use memory as wasted memory. I don't care For me on 32 gigs of ram. I'm like, it's fine because I don't have any I have everything open for me. I want things to be appropriately Managed to the point where they don't take as much Like I look at it as an application is my problem Like if I looked at it as a browser I wouldn't have as much problem because all browsers take up a crap ton of memory Like it doesn't matter what browser you're using it always takes up a lot of memory If I looked at it as a browser, it wouldn't bother me But I looked at it as an application and unless you're like kaden live or city skylines You know, you shouldn't take up that much memory. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Um, that's the reason why I don't use furtium anymore It you knew you knew tweet deck back in the day when it was an adobe air application. Oh god. Yeah Oh Remember adobe air. Jeez. Oh, man. We are old I'm glad that I never actually had to mess with adobe air except for the one time where it's just like I was trying to get like one application that, you know I just randomly heard on one of those app picks of the week or or whatever All right off of a podcast So I tried to get it spin up and I had to figure out how to get adobe air working on ubuntu at the time Because that's what I ran Okay, the only way you could age us you can age us is by telling hey, I was a I was a teenager when the internet was was born Okay, so was adobe air was still around and still being used in 2019 Yeah There is some love for adobe air in the chat Which you know, I can understand because you know, some people hate themselves too. That's why I use gentil it You know longer than flash It did last longer than flash. It's interesting That's a little flash ripoff kind of thing Well, so you could so you could run because originally that was it means to run a flash application As a desktop. It was the original pwa is what it was And now we all know how pwa is went Okay, so that's it for this one with the fishes Yeah, well and people still use them, but it's still it's still whatever Thank you microsoft for continually coming up with new formats of doing things and then killing them not long after They're very much like google on that aspect. They do that a lot Anyway, so that is it for this episode guys. We record this live now every saturday at three o'clock p.m Eastern time or you know, they're about we usually go for about an hour and a half If you watch the live stream, there will be time stamps They use those usually show up around eight o'clock p.m. Eastern time once I come back to my computer So there will be time stamps if you're watching this later But if you've made it all the way through the live stream saying this now doesn't really Help you with the time stamps at all. 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