 Oh wait, are we doing the recorder start for this one too? Or are we doing that for the rest of it? I can remember what the plan was here. I'll just, I mean, I can just do it when you least expect. That's probably the better version actually. That's the best way to go about it, yeah. Well then, saw six! I don't want to beat it. Hello! We did one, two, three, four, five, now six! Can you believe it? It is fun for the people who have no idea how many souls there even are. They'll just be like, are you serious? Another one, you're like, mm-hmm. It's us. At this point, they were just fully going into that formula things happen, traps, goal, twists, music. Did they actually stop it for any other reason? Did they stop it because it wasn't making as much money? It was still insanely profitable, but it coincided with paranormal activity showing up and making it, you know, becoming the new like Halloween movie. And so they're like, well, we're still making money, but it's like not as much. So they thought they'd quit while they were ahead sort of thing. It's just not as much fun anymore. Mm-hmm. I don't know, activity didn't last anywhere near as long as soul. It's not as profitable. How many paranormal is there for? I think there are more than that. Five or something? There's five? Mm-hmm. Wow. But it didn't last as long in terms of profitability, that's for sure. No. Apparently, paranormal activity did not have as much longevity. Yeah, I saw, I think, one and two for paranormal activity. I can't remember if I saw any more than that. Spooky ghosts. Wow. That's a little bit different than that. They're so spooky and scary. Which has more variables, paranormal activity or soul? Probably soul, right? Saw. Yeah. Saw. All right, well, I'm excited. You're all excited. Everyone in chat is excited. Let us continue this adventure with Saw 6. Three, two, one, you fucking losers. I just expected it. Once again, you conjured me. Bringing down the entire production. All right, I'm ready. You're a product. I'm ready. Good thing the editor cut all this out. Three, two, one. Go. Oh, Lion's Gate again. I was going to say, this is getting a little bit repetitive. How? The whole reason they put production, you know, companies and stuff is to make it feel varied and spicy. I like spices. They could at least put a real lion on it at some point. Why not a tiger gate? Why not a tiger gate here and there? Bro, that's so twisted. When are we going to get Obama gate? Obama. I give this movie a four out of five star. Oh, God, four out of nice. I'm excited. This is the good one then. Opening soul. I don't because I haven't seen it yet. That's what you call it. You say it's a soul. I think five was the last one I saw. So this is all new. They changed directors again. Kevin Grudert is the editor of all the other Saw films. So the editor is now directing. You're like fucking A. When the cockroaches crawl over your hand and shit. Yeah. Is Kevin got a history of any kind of movies? Any work kind? Let's find out. Kevin Grudert. Oh, you fool. So when people realize it's in there and then just never get up, do you think Jigsaw's like, hey, hey. He directed too short. You don't even know that anything's really that bad right now. You don't need to scream. No. It seems pretty bad. No, it's fine. It's going to be a surprise birthday party. You have one fucking job and it's just more satisfying for the audience. Did I have to deal with that all the time? Every time is all the fucking time. I'm like, can you not be a dumbass for five fucking seconds? They should be like, don't move. And then he's like, okay. And then they just sit there. That's the thing. He should be like, don't you think I should move? Yeah, if the video needs to start playing instead. It's always like, oh God, I got a bull. You recklessly loan people money knowing their financial limitations. You are predators. This is the first one since the financial crisis. Yeah, this is 2009. 2008 financial crisis just happened. So they're talking about bank loans as the people who need redemption. Hey. And predatory bank loans, oh no. Plenty you can do with that. The scale before you is your only path to freedom. The sacrifice of flesh. Take a shit on it. Dude, he loves saying the word flesh. Who doesn't? The word flesh, flesh, flesh, flesh. When the 60 second time is zero. The one who has given the most flesh will release their bindings. Ew. Well, that seems unfair because he has more flesh in order to see. That's true. Kind of measured your skulls perfectly. I'm compensated for this. Ouchies. That's no need to do that. I get the point. I feel like I'd already be unconscious at that point. Like, I don't know if I'd have much left in me. Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, get in there. Where are they going? I love this music. Wait, I don't have a belly. That was great that they actually had to go like, wait, I'm not fat. Damn it. Damn it. Damn it. If only I worked out less and ate less healthy. I would have survived. What a cruel. I don't even know. Chopping out chunks of your fat isn't really a great way to stay alive. Just saying. No, it's a great way to lose weight though. I just don't. Yeah. It's like, nobody tries peeing. It's just weight. It's weight activated. That hurt. Yeah. So what, they have to put it down a little tube, is it? Some kind of, I don't know. Where do you put it? Is it through a little hole? Oh my God. Look at him. He's going to die. I don't know if you needed to go that deep, my dude. He's going to die. Could have gone more shallow, I think. So yeah, you can definitely piss on your own shit. Wrap it up and throw it in. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh boy. Piss on your socks. No, you don't need to take a more yet. You literally take a shit. Like that is... You'll be soft, the table leg. Yeah, actually. Yeah. Oh my God. If you did that and you actually won and Jigsaw was like, how come you didn't chop? Look at him. He's dead. He's dead. He's fucked. He's chopped open his whole stomach. Yeah. Yeah. Why is it still drilling into him? That's not fair. They play by their own. He's putting it to hell. No, no. Why? Wait, now she's moving up. Use it. There is an obvious superior choice of weaponry there. Yeah. Yeah. And there we go. Better. There you go. The editor directed this one. I love it. I'm going to have a seizure. Oh, look at that. What are you doing? How are you failing this bad? He's just getting into the car. Oh my God. Excellent. There you go. Ew. Gross. I need Jigsaw to come in again. It's like, so you want to live now, right guys? Game over. Let's give the lady a hand. See you soon. That was awesome. I love it. That's like maybe my favorite. Like opening trap. It's like, it needs some tweaks. So much fun. Yeah, but some of the other opening traps were awful. So my comparison. The music. Yeah, I agree. The way the music stopped like right before. Oh yeah. There's something there, conceptually, yes. This is anything in Squid Game where the only thing they need is to make sure someone's enforcing the rules. Like you can't just piss. You can't just chop off a table leg. Watch some guy standing there. She's like, nuh-uh-uh-uh. And then stay on. Ooh, previously on Soul. Remember Strauman and the Hoffman, Hofstra? Hofstra. I'm strong enough. How do you get a room like this? You haven't got one? We're just building it. Just building it. How do you- Yeah. Like you don't have a room like this? Ew. Ah. Really should have shot himself in the head, you know. Jokes on you, that's Hoffman's king. The way he turns his head at the end is so dramatic. I probably would, too. I'm not really looking forward to- There'd be so much more blood than that. Like, oh, what a day. Takes his tie off. Gotta pay the bills, you know. And press the green button. Maybe don't open it back up, dude. Maybe he's got a dispose of the body. How'd you get stuck up there? Just a normal crashing room. Are they implying he hooked onto the grating with his hand? But his hand wasn't up there, was it? Or was it? I think it was. Okay. Is he okay? I don't know what's hanging up in there. John, I don't know how to tell you this. We can rebuild him. A little aspirin and he'll be good as new. Umbrella. Is that all nervous? Oh, no. It's gotta be. They knew what they were doing. Hey, babe. Good. Listen, I am so, so sorry. But I can't make dinner. Look, Rags. Look who it is. Black mask. William, I have a Casey Patterson on line one. Pick another message, Addy. I'll get back to her this week. You know when they name a person with two new characters? I'm half expecting the show to flash to someone we've known before and be like, see it's them. You're like, oh. It is my job to review every terminated policy. As a matter of fact, Mr. Abbott was sitting right where you are now when we discussed his appeal. I don't get it. Well, we're doing this now. I've been with this insurance company for over 10 years. We discovered that you failed to mention a previous condition. Yeah, you didn't mention that you were an idiot. It's so funny how political this movie is. It's like none of the other films were in any way, really. Yeah. But this one's like right on the nose of like the important issues of 2008. Dude, seriously, though, teeth and gum problems can affect the heart significantly. It's not actually, it's not lying. I paid my monthly premium for 10 years without so much as a cold. And now that I'm actually sick, you're going to deny my coverage. I have a friend. That's just how mafia works, sorry. Though in this context, we get to be aware that he has like a team that are designed to find these things because they got it. I'm just going to cover me now. You just kill me. Maybe you should just start his own health insurance company. Yeah, why don't you do your own insurance? Yeah, seems to have a lot of like disposable income. Is it really umbrella? You can be doing a lot better things for people in lives. Like maybe you can find people that don't appreciate life and throw them a party and make them feel better or something. Yeah, you know, you have a lot of friends that like you. You don't always realize it, but they're always there. You can give them therapy. You have a birthday party set up in Sa's voice and recording. Oh yeah. We've brought you 100 friends from across the country to celebrate your birthday because you are often very close to being set. So we saw the reporter briefly in the previous film. Wait, that reporter? And they've worked a lot to set up community, haven't they? Yeah. The dog pit. And see, this is the dog pit. The dog pit. I have a feeling they're all going to be in a trap together. That would be retarded. Very good. For my right people, yeah. Great mystery. We have ties that are similar, but not too similar. That would be confusing. I wouldn't be able to tell them a part of fear. That vibe, though, of like, we don't have to give them money. That's just the rest of the recording. Basically. That's what should be on the recording. Damn you, Hoffman. Say you're on your way, but creepier. We also got a right index off the scale. Very strong. We have something he doesn't know about. It'd be funny if he died by electricity when he said it was a shock to all of us. You see, we have something he didn't know about and the show was like, uh-oh, that could be compromising for Hoffman. It's like, I doubt we'd be showing him so willfully if it was compromising for Hoffman. You lied to us. You didn't dive through some metal in your face. Jigsaw wasn't working alone, but until I knew for certain, who was helping him, I couldn't guarantee her well-being. So you let me think she was dead. But now we're 100%. I wouldn't have phrased it that way, babe. This is like the dark night. You've been keeping from me. Why is he so, don't come across as so defensive? Yeah. We had a, we had a whole fake funeral. We tricked her family and everything. It was awesome. That's right. Strom and I investigated them after the house fire. Strom couldn't let them get away, so he put them in a trap in which slaughtering each other was the only way out. That's not, that's literally not true if you look to the tapes. You led me to believe that she was dead and you want to work with me. Try to protect her, man. It's all right. Yeah. From now on, everything we know- You're being really sketchy, actually. That's what I mean. He's, he should be more like, wow, that was a really good plan and I'm glad she's alive. That's what he should be doing. Yeah, absolutely. And by the way, that trap, he's like, he wanted to kill all those people. That's why he put them in a trap. It's like a trap that they could have escaped much easier if they'd worked together. That doesn't make sense. Family Jenkins. She's just reporting the facts, detective. Is that what you're doing? He left his wife a box in his will. Did you know that? Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I'm Jigsaw. Jill looks like maybe you're a big of a- You're all Jigsaw. What do you really want? Jill Tuck. And I'll dial down on the sensationalism. That sounds like a terrible deal. You'll dial down on the sensationalism? He did this to me. Who did this? You. No. You didn't cut your own arm off? Wow. But he made me do it. You know, he doesn't really do anything. Dude, Hoffman is so sus. Sussy butter. I didn't realize there was a problem. I bet you feel bad about doing that. All right, should be a- Let us- let us pause. Hello, Jay Longlin. How are you doing? All right. Hello. But he made me do it. No. Maybe he did something wrong. Did you think about that? You've been a naughty Goyle. You know, while I was chopping my arm off, there was this cabaret guy running around in circles around me. He was really weird. He was really distracting. I should have hit him in the head. We cut back to it for people like Jay Longbone, who missed the beginning, now they can- now they can know. I can't. It's on here. What are you? I don't see no object. What am I supposed to do? What are you laughing at? Jill Tuck. Till Juck. Actress that's fucking one of the producers. Allegedly. You feel the need to mention that as a character isn't phenomenal. Got engaged to him and then the marriage never happened. Is it because they ran out of soul films by the time that happened? I guess so. Yeah. This film is a documentary on one boy and the failure. You're not furious enough for there to be like a real documented timeline. I would know that if it was out, but they definitely did not get married and he got married to someone else. Their marriage failed because of paranormal activity success. Well, I'm literally saying it because she was asked in an interview. Like, how'd you get the role? She's like, well, I'm engaged to Mark Berg that literally that was her answer. I thought you were saying it because her acting has been pretty bad and she always seems out of place. Well, that's it's both. It's a little golem a little golem beat. He loved his numbers. Now, which order does he want me to open these in? Is this a nine or a six? Counting up or counting down. Oh my God. Six is the movie we're watching now. There's six envelopes. Whoa. They really like to do that, don't they? Whatever movie number we're on is a lot of that number symbolism. That means it's good. Yeah. That's good writing. Yeah. I agree. The writing is the best. I miss Lynn Dentalin. Oh my God. So that's the reporter. Oh, soulful. You think it's over, but it's really not this time. They're jigsaw now, okay? These are the jigsaw pieces cut from previous victims. Same knife was used in only one other victim. The man who killed your sister. The exact same knife. Can you determine that? That's sacked. Wait, so Hoffman used the same knife on that guy and this guy? Yeah, but none of the other ones that he did, apparently. So this is the thing. If you can reverse engineer all of the tapes, why the fuck haven't you been doing that the whole time? Why would this prompt it? If you're going to say like, well, we thought it was jigsaw the whole time. It's like, that's not good enough. Fucking do it. Does he have a tattooed hair? Is he bald with a tattooed face? He's a tattoo with a human underneath. From no one, I control the aspects of the game. It's not what John wanted. They're like arguing over his legacy. It would be so great though if the camera pads over to the right of the... He's there and he's like, actually, I'm still in control. And he's like, what? He's like, yeah, baby. I'm only carrying out John's final request. Well, John's dead. Do you get the impression for only two movies left? John's final request. Okay, this is the last one, guys. Promise. Yeah, do you get the impression, by the way, that Hoffman feels it's incredibly important that we get done every one of John's wishes? It's like, really? Why? Well, because they were buddies. Were they? Yeah, because remember he had the shotgun up and... They made traps together. It was cute. And then, yeah, they were like, let's just do all the traps. And then, yeah, I guess they're best friends. Oh, there he is. Still alive, guys. He is still alive. After all this time. He thinks Targaryen pulls a better cure for addiction than, like, methadone. Methadone is distasteful. To me. To me? They like this look for him, because they think it helps us understand the timeline. It does it. Yeah. This is lame. She's having a detailed conversation with her hallucination. Wake up, Sheba. You seem very emotional about this. She looked like she was either smiling or, like, I'm not clear. Once you see death up close, then you know what the value of life is. What's to this five? Her expressions are something else. What if we tortured the addicts instead? Do you ever think of that? What are you pointing at? Hmm. That sounds just crazy enough for it to work. Hi. Oh, hi. And the camera to the left. You've been there the whole time? That's really creepy. There's always someone slightly out of frame. The more Saw movies you watch, the more you learn that there's probably other people there. Dude, whatever the actress romantic gets cold, it's like, we're bringing you back. She's like, oh, like, fuck more flashbacks. I can still work. They're doing this again where it's like, see your medicines do not work, but mine do. Yeah. Yeah. This was totally a successful trial of my methods. And this she'll be fine forever. She'll be totally fine forever. Hey, why is this a hill? Oh. Oh, no, she's gone. Oh. Oh. She's not there anymore. They weren't actually alive, you guys. It was spooky ghosts. They can't be normal activity. Memory. I thought the poster said dying on drugs is a crime. It said driving. Dying on drugs is a crime. You will be sentenced for your crimes. Just this past week, a new so-called game was discovered with grizzly results. So-called game. Grizzly? Grizzly bear? Also, was that the Saw that John Kramer died from? I'm trying to, where is this taking place? But the murders continue. Oh, no. Oh, those are weird. There's going to be pig sounds. Seriously, the pig needs to tackle him, and then he just shoots the gun seven times and the pig just dies. And he's like, oh. New phone. Who dis? It sure is this. Blam. Excuse me, I got lost. Is this the bathroom? I hope I can move. I hope you had both. I mean, not going to lie. Got him. This is way better than- What a fucking moron. Like, no shit. Why were you dressed like that? Like, I don't blame- I don't blame the main guy at all. What the fuck was the security guard doing? Yeah, running around the gun outside. Usually, if you're a security guard, you want to make your presence known. Yeah, you cool out. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Like, you're not there to hunt someone who broke it. You're there to get him out. And what are we supposed to imagine? What are we supposed to imagine happen there exactly? Like, so the security guard saw the pig, dude. Some guy rushed past him or something. I don't know. But then a gunshot went off. That must have elated anybody who was in the building. I'm guessing nobody was there. I like that we have- He should have had double horns on his head. It was just a Halloween costume. Where's the doll? No, a puppet. So we're giving- Listen, I couldn't be fucking bothered to set up the puppet. Because they don't want to do as many flashbacks, I guess. Today, your policy will be put to the test. The straps on your arms and legs will detonate. Is he? The straps will detonate. Oh, no, I believe you. I believe you. It's fine. You're like famous for this, dude. Oh, my God, I didn't think there would explode. Starting now, you are not alone in this game. He said, starting now. Is he, like, trying to play a big British when he does the soul voice? 60 minutes. Is he- is Tobin Belbridge? Oh, okay. I don't think so. I thought he was- No, I don't think so. You should be saying starting. Not starting. He's just having fun. Family ice-sketch. Peter! Oh, no, Mom. Oh, that acting. Oh, boy. It's a monitor. It's a screen stuff. Look, Dad's on TV. He's one of those real, real, real life shows or whatever. Oh, God, who is that? The quality's so low. I can't tell who that is. Yeah. It's Dad. Are you sure? Oh, no. Oh, no. I remember him. He's smoking. You are a smoker. He's like, yes. I smoke. Okay. Kill me, I guess. Yeah. I'm going to die from it anyway. He's such an asshole. People who don't exercise, like... What, so I have to die? Like, he really, like- This is the third time in his life, obviously. This is a pretty inherently unfair one. This is a test about breathing. What if you would smoke this? Like- He's not just a smoker. He's also super fat. The- This is from Kramer. This, like, Hoffman set up the trap, but Kramer's on video planning this years in advance being like, okay, when I die, you have to help me set up this trap, okay? Dude, what if the janitor died? The broader game is about Black Mask Guy. So, like, what's the point of this test? You're just dooming this janitor to death because, like, he doesn't have any balls trapped around his arms. He's a smoker. You just have this so that- This is pointless. We figured it out. Just hold your breath forever. Get breath for 60 minutes. It's fine. It's the same thing with, like, the five-person trap where it's like, okay, well, clearly, whoever orchestrated this knew exactly how it was gonna go by the end of it. Like- Exactly. There's no chance. Well, if you want to snag Simon Dachie, you know that this smoker is gonna have a hard time breathing, okay? With breathing really shallow and very- I wonder, yeah. How few will hurt you? Because, like, when they exhale really sharply, that seems to push it even further. Yeah, it'd be a way better option than removing a man with my tongue or something. Hold that one, hold that one, hold that one. Just by pushing it out. I guess it looks like it'd be difficult. This is making watermelon-crushing sounds. It's like, am I supposed to believe something real bad's happening yet? Foley. Jig's not really, like, torturing people with, like, predictions or things. Yeah. He's kind of an ass- Aw. That's just embarrassing. Poor Jenner, Jesus. Wait. Trying not to breathe makes you piss your pants. I guess he's just, like, super skin-stressed out. I don't know. Yeah. He's squeezing the pee out of him. This was, I don't know, this was mean. Oh, wow. Yeah, like- This is what you get for smoking. Yeah. He was never gonna win this. If he smokes, this could happen to you. It was the fucking Jenner, like- Smoking kills, you guys. The smoker gets smoked. He wasn't really hurting people. He was a smoker. What the fuck? Bullshit. Smoking may cause jigsaw traps. Wait, so he's- That looks like he was stitched. Yeah. Probably something and working to get that or something. Also, I noticed your appendix wasn't looking well, so I had it removed before. I have taken a kidney. I will give it back if you give me insurance. If you can patch your head and rub your belly consecutively, I'll give you your kidney back. Now for this. Live. Die. Live. Live. Choices. I want you to live. Live. Live. Die. Hydrofluoric acid. This stuff will lead to human flesh within seconds. Oh, will it now? Let's stand elsewhere. You want to live, don't you? I dived. That'd be a trap. What the fuck did we do? I don't even know why we're here. Yeah. You know why we're here? Oh, Jesus. Jigsaw's big into inherited guilt. Yeah. For real. Yeah. They're both smokers. Okay, kill that now. How many cigarettes do you smoke? You were drinking alcohol at a party, but you're not 21 yet. You didn't turn 21 for another two months. There is a big story, I guess, of Hoffman Fidle of these underground labyrinths. They pulled the ball. Oh, yeah. We got, okay. Best fucking performances of all time coming up right about now. Oh, God. It's going to be the two great actors across from each other. The two most talented actors in the franchise. Oh, my goodness. These two. Miss Jenkins, please. Oh, my God. I was like looking into a mirror. What makes you think you can just come to my door like this? Because I found something you'll want to see. Such a great scene. A location where John died. Does it mean anything to you? No. No. Why, Miss Jenkins? If the camera's still following you and your job of the plotline is done in the scene, the pig's coming. Yeah. He just walked into an elevator that was waiting there open. That's weird. Come on. Oh, come on. Come on. Nice. So had she looked right, she would have seen it. But they had backup pig on the other side. Dude, seriously, if the pig was like a character in League of Legends, his ultimate would just be like the whole screen just goes from your opponent is instantly killed. These damn pesky bracelets. The potty? That's what it says? Yeah, that was weird. He could have been to loads of potties. Yeah, I know. I would assume like this is the party. It's the party. It looks like a really fun party. I wish I could have been there. Looks like they were having a lot of fun. It's formula. Monthly payments multiplied by lifespan minus the probability of illness. Basically the entire life equation. Yep. Me. I am the one who devised it. I'm sad that I know what that's referencing. So in a sense, you choose who lives or dies. Why do people choose to talk to his creepy ass? It's like one look at him and be like, yeah, now. Reptile house at the zoo. And it's really inefficient, actually. Take that bitch to the zoo. Take that bitch to the zoo, but the animals need to be there. It's like a horror movie to finally listen to you. Take them to the zoo. Take that bitch to the zoo. Fuck that. I'm out of here. Oh, shit. Oh, I forgot. Oh, Jesus Christ. You thought I wouldn't be in this movie? Oh my God, that's classic. It moves. I, they really skip over what is arguably the most difficult part of this, which is able to being able to successfully kidnap all of these people. Uh-oh, dive me this bucket. We're watching the cramps, okay? Doesn't work. Less worthy. I don't think you use the word worthy. Likely. Likely would be the word, yeah. Without a blip on the world's ring. That's, how do you know that? I don't like, I don't like implicates in here, anyways. You know William is in cell. Therefore, you deserve to live as much. Well, so the interesting thing that I would say to counter that is, I believe Jigsaw probably believes that, and this guy may very well believe that. I don't believe that, though. Yeah, yeah. Also, like, he has yet to have, like, a good relationship. Yeah, she's had her chance. Bye-bye. She's lived her life. But of course, there is still that element of the relatives that she has who will be sad when she dies. Can I just say, though, I actually really like this format for trolley versus the pull the lever or don't. This is, you have to let one go, or otherwise you'll get torn in half. So you do have to make that choice eventually. Just sit down on the ground and, like, hold on for a long time. Yeah, even with any misgivings, like, conceptually, this is another good trap. Yeah, because that's what I was going to say. I actually like this one a lot, because the fact that I know this guy is probably thinking, I can't choose between these two. Yeah, exactly. Look at all the pictures of him being lonely. It's different because I know them now. What if he runs alone, the ones with family? He showed one of the person's pictures, and they were always sad. Yeah, yeah. The other one, they were happy seven. The other one was just, like, vibrant colors. Infomercial. Dude, how long have they been waiting here like this, though, you know? Uh, while, probably. Bye-bye. Oh, imagine she slipped off. He's like, oh, decision made. Yeah. Yeah, she is on her tippy toes. Can one of you just kill yourselves so I don't have to choose? Wait, I'm sorry. What? What are we supposed to make of the fact that his arms don't release? Boying. I think he knows, which, by the way, that's a good storytelling choice to give them a couple seconds. You killed me, like, fuck you. I mean, that's a jigsaw choice, right? Well, I guess what I'm saying is that from a writing perspective, you've seized an opportunity there. Like, that's important drama. Kill her, too. Grab it. I'm sorry, guys. I'm not going to save either of you. Let's go with both. He's made a decision. Is the thing on her neck getting looser now? Like, what's going on? Hopefully. Like, she was, and she's just there. Jesus Christ. Someone help her out. Do you think the little puppet comes along like, just step down here. You'll be safe. There's a little hole for you down there. You just kind of get her out of there. Like, at the end of a row. Yeah, exactly. I was like, what the fuck? That's what he said. Also, I'm going to do it. I'm going to say it. Here we go. I feel that guy pulled that off quite well, acting-wise, in that whole scene, too. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, same. Great scene. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah, it is. It's actual. An actual, an actual good scene in this whole franchise. What if we put acid on the metal bars? How are we going to get rid of the bars? We'll use our feet. Oh, right. You're not going to smack the shit out of me right now. I'm your mother. You're kicking on today. Yeah, we're captured by a serial killer with a thread of acid over us, but I'll still beat the fuck out of you if you keep talking. I don't think I won't. I don't know. I feel like you can read the rec analysis story. Some rec. For him to leave. When do we want it? I want it right now. Oh, that's right here. Oh, no. Why do you hate? Why am I in here? I'm requesting the truth and exploiting my message. For your own benefit. You should have been writing stories about how he never kills people and how he's just saving. Fuck that. You said I was a serial killer. I've never killed. It's distasteful. I've never killed. Yeah. To me. To me. We found the setbacks to tape, but there was something else that we wanted to discuss with you. Time sensitive. You know, we traced your phone. It's coming from some weird warehouse. I guess. What's that about? A flabbering dungeon out in the middle of nowhere. Oh, yet another warehouse. We didn't check if John owned. I was just about to say, wait, isn't she in the trap? And I'm like, oh, no, it's the other one. Look at his converse shoes. Yeah. What a cool dude. Yeah. Those stand out. Oh, no, that guy. He's replacing the shift of the order. The blackmail fries. Oh, it's not so three. So three. Yeah. Oh, God. I remember shot three. Last minute tweaks. Oh, gee, shut up, Amanda. Oh, yeah, I can tolerate Hoffman so much more than I can tolerate you. Kill her. Oh, well, she just dies anyway. It's fine. Why is she still obnoxious? I don't know what happened. That would be a fluke from the one movie. Then intrinsic part of her character and every universe, she's just a bitch. Ow. Whoa, you're going to like broken his neck. That's a human being. Oh, fuck off. I'd be really, really down, Jigsaw. Oh, no, he wakes up with a bruise. Correct. No. Dude, Jigsaw is like, once again, you misunderstand my intentions. Why does everyone misunderstand me? So what's your test, detective? I don't need one. You're still dragging your knuckles on the ground. What do you know about life? What does that what? What does that have to do with anything? What does that mean? What does that have to do with life? What you think she's not smart enough to what? Is she saying he has too much on the end? I mean, yeah, why would they have a flashback where she says I'm not going anywhere? Oh, is the implication, then, that he put in her head that she would be replaced by Doctor Lady? Is that what's happening? Really? Because that's absurd if that's what that's supposed to be. Dandelion, Doctor Lin Dandelion. Jill, Lin, Dandelion, Dandelion. Chuck DeSill didn't fell in. Lin, I thought I caught her. I thought I caught her, Dandelion. I thought I caught her, Dandelion. Oh, God, why is everybody now here in these flashbacks? It's like a running theme of these light-emotions to keep recontextualizing the older ones. It's hilarious. You need to only get as much as we can. You only have so many options when you've killed your villain in the first film. That was just a big mistake. They continuously recoup all their losses by creating these past things all the time. Especially since at that point, they knew they were going to do a series of films. So why would they kill them off in the first one? They planned for the fourth one in the third one. Yeah, they knew they were going to make more. I don't understand. Kill them off in number five if you're going to do a trilogy. Do you think they thought he will be dead, but one more for the road and it'll be set up at the end of his death? And then they're like two more for the road. Three more for the road. Four more for the fuck. Seven more. I think maybe Lee Winnell thought it would be really funny to see them write themselves out of that point. He's like, well, this is my last film. Good luck, fuckers. So that's the thing. I'm very surprised that they did do is say that was a jigsaw. That was his brother, Jogsword. He's just killed that. He's probably dealt with a lot of final decisions. Does he know that Kramer's... Oh yeah, he saw him on the tape. That's that. Okay, that does lie now. Yes. I said that earlier, you idiot. If only Mel had said that earlier. Yeah, that would be cool. Too bad the editor cut it out when you said it earlier. Add it up. So I strap myself into a trap. No, that's shit. You're dead. Die. Just shoots him on the spot. Injects suicide genes. Neat. Did they just watch like She-Hulk and they get sent into... I would like to start taking ketamine. He's a hack. I've already got him in a fucking trap. Yeah. He likes to fuck the doorknob? Yeah. You know, we're insurance. You know this is how it works. I've done the calculations. I said 30 to 40. It's only a... Yeah, that's not a very high... Success rate. He's like aiming for 50 plus. He's like, what? Why? Guess you got to start a GoFundMe. Sorry. Maybe if you want a serious... John, do you have a Twitter account? He's here to get a GoFundMe. We won't cover your cancer, but if you try to get your cancer cured, we're going to drop your coverage for the... for the... We're not going to cover your cancer. No, let it in the far east. John, are you good at ratios? I don't know how to do this. And they're sick. They don't have to pay. So basically they don't have to pay. Looks like you made the mistake of getting insurance. Don't fool. You have to think about that. At least I didn't smoke. I have to strap myself to a trap. Yeah, how'd you get cancer, John? All politicians say the same thing. Whoever's playing darts sucks. It's funny that John got cancer and wound up being so unempathetic to the janitor who smokes. Yeah, yeah. Come on. Isn't that punishment enough, getting cancer, like lung cancer eventually? Like, I don't know if I can kill this guy. Yeah, this is very political. Those are piranhas, apparently. I think there was a line in another one of these movies about politicians being shit, right? I think so. Yeah, that's just sort of a general timeless sort of thing. Yeah. This is much more specific. This one was like very 2008 written. Like, it's a time capsule. As if Saul these days would be political. I mean, these same issues are, you know, exactly new cycle. It's just, it was just to be fair, probably could tackle it if you, you know, yeah, you know, it's just funny how transparent it was. Yeah, even if the treatment works, the cancer will work. We're on the bandwagon as saw. As if it's like South Park or something like that. The franchise, you would least expect to tackle these issues. Because the dead will have no claim. No, I'm just talking about why I'm refusing the cover. What? These are not normal conversations to have with people. Are you a serial killer? This is like a Neil Breen conversation. It's just, all right. Prediction time. Saw X, people get put into traps because they're transphobic. Oh. The situation you find yourself in is of your own doing. You, your girlfriend, and your friends are all transphobes. Will you remove your genitals to save your friends, live or die? The choice is yours. Oh, look who it is. The old close the door on the person. Close the door, boy. I don't like this room already. This room is red, orange. The hell room. Oh, hey. Who that? Across the room. Not if you hold your head back real far. Not it? Yeah. No. It just looks like I'm holding your head back. There. It's not even pointing at you. It's not even pointing at you. Just because of who you are. Yeah. It's pointing at you. Surely they noticed this when they were making the flint, right? All right, what you gotta do is tilt your head back. So he's got to guide her through it? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. What's the, what does he did? What's the, like, obstacles? Oh, steam. It's a maze. Steam. Yeah. He's got to wait until like the- He's going to turn into a steamed ham. Yeah, so this is the kind of thing where if you move fast, just move fast. Yeah, he was Spider-Man move. Just stand somewhere else. So he's got to take the steam for her whenever she has to get past these things. That's, that makes sense. I just don't know if the time is long enough to give him a chance to win. Because they didn't even know this was part of the rules. Yeah. Stand out of the way of the steam. He could be doing this differently. He could be doing this differently, for sure. Yeah. Stand somewhere else. Yeah, he could climb on to the other edge of that. He should be able to move out of the way of it, yeah. Railing, you know. There's things he could do. He should also make it so his clothes are covering his face. You can do it. Yeah. If you can't make it through in time, just make sure your head's tilted back. He's tilted back, yeah. All right, so this one then. You can, you can pull it from the other side, Connie. Yeah. Why are you doing this? We're delving into the thing where people are just not being. Yeah, he could have, he could have done it from the other direction. It wouldn't have hit him at all. No good reason. Oh, he really, oh. Run forward! Keep going, keep going. God, I hate people. Because this works, by the way. You could totally tweak all of this to be perfect, as in like it runs like it makes sense. Yeah, because I would hear you this for the 90 seconds already, hasn't it? So you're just going to lean your head. Don't grab it. That quickly. Whoa, whoa, not a scalpel. Don't do that. Oh my God, what are you doing, woman? That's not even helping you. He's just, yeah, not, not helping you. Yes, that was nice. You wouldn't like it if someone kicked you and you have a J, smash the J3R key. Uh-oh, whoop, and... Okay, tilt it out. Wait, that was just open, I guess. The whole thing came out and it tilted it. Oh, she died. But still, I feel like, oh wow, that hit her in the neck. Look at where it is now. That E, she could have avoided that so easily. Yes. She was too enthralled by the prospect of chopping it off with that sword. She just wanted to kill him so bad. There was a really quick shot where it showed the bottom end come out to tilt the angle. It was like such a quick shot, but it's so weird. That's how they did that. You didn't consider using the saw on the thing on you to destroy it? Why are you doing something? Yeah, just... Come on. Especially because it looked like it was strapped to her as well. Yes, cut it off. Why would you do that? Why do people throw things? They're going to want to keep that with them. I'm mad. Yeah, also, you're a journalist. Isn't that not going to be something you want to hang on to? Yeah, exactly. No, fuck it. Yeah, you think so. You could break a story, you know. Could you not get HD cameras? No. No, dude. No, dude. No, he blew his budget on all the other stuff. He's in place to pay. He's running on a type of budget. Well, that's actually one of the things he said to the insurance guy. He said, money, I have loads of money. It's not a problem. They want us to believe he's like a millionaire, do they? Well, maybe Hoffman took out a predatory loan, and now he's out of the bank in all of these traps. Hoffman takes out life insurance on all the people throughout the franchise. Nobody's noticed this. He's just like, oh, what a coincidence. An abnormality in Strom's fingerprint. Found trace amounts of halomethane R12. Oh, not halomethane R12. That's my best fingerprint message. I'm more a fan of R4. Question is, was the contaminant we found at the site already or did Strom bring it in with him? It was an R12 factory. You know what I like about this is they're always excited about their information. Every time he seems like a fall downer when he should be like, oh, wow, that's really interesting. Yeah. Wow. Oh, great. He said he's like, oh, great. You're looking into it more, huh? The voice was intentionally distorted, but it didn't match John Kramer being analyzed. For what? For who else it would be? For what? For who else it would be? Yeah, she said it's not John's voice. He's like, wow, did you scramble? I would support that. I don't even know. What do you mean, de-scramble? Like just fucking pitch shit. What did he do to it? I scrambled the audio. Like, okay. Wait, she said, are you timing something? He said, yes, before I got your call. That's not an answer, is it? Not an answer. Well, we assume that you started timing something before. That's why the timer is on. Remember, she didn't give away folder number six, but who is number six or nine? Oh my God, that's foreshadowing for movie nine. Yay. Oh my God, saw X? He's going to be like, you were peddling crypto scams. Hey, who's in there? Yeah, Shelby? I'm all in here, sir. All six of us. What the hell is going on? The six-ball people are in there. That's how busy the kidnapping has been. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All in presumably one day as well. That's Hoffman doing all that then, right? I guess. I like it how he's trying to find stuff out before he opens the door. Yeah, that's actually smarter than... That's pretty good, actually. He's got shout. I mean, I'm going to say he's been the best protagonist out of all of them so far. Absolutely, yeah. Hell yeah. Easily. It's not even close. Oh, I mean, that looks like fun. I don't know. We've been spending so much time in here. You know what I like about what I enjoy about his performances that he seems exhausted and he already knows whatever the fuck this is, it's going to be so unpleasant. Yeah. This is your talk. Hello. Their findings result in over two-thirds of all applications denied will prematurely terminate, but only two can get off. If no decision is made on your part, all six will perish. So this is very trolley problemy, but I guess super uncomfortable. I actually think it's still, once again, more definitive. It really forces you to make a choice. Yeah. Only allowed to save, too, buddy. And also, the trap is almost comically simple to a point, considering how many of the other traps were basically Rube Goldberg machines. Exactly. Which is like, yeah, it's just spinning and you press... Yeah, this is way more effective because it's so character based. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Jesus Christ, follow the policy. Are you that cartoonishly into your job? Yeah, I wish he didn't say that. But there he goes. Hey, be happy. That means you've reduced your odds of dying significantly. Yeah. Ow. Sexist. Yeah. That thing's eventually going to run out of bullets, right? Yeah. So it has six and he can stop two of them. Wait, he can only stop two of them? Yeah, that's what that machine does. Oh, okay. As a cap of two. Oh my goodness. I love this. It's so good. It's so good. They're fighting each other. Are they telling the truth? The vampire demons are fighting each other. Yeah. They're fighting. Double kill. Oh, right in the baby. Double kill. Double kill. I would say double XP, but it's more like one-and-a-half XP. Yeah, I mean, you don't get that much XP for killing a baby, I imagine. My parents are loaded. This guy is crazy. Oh my God. They're going fucking nuts. I love his voice here. And yeah, I couldn't fucking look myself. I was on Family Matters. You can't do this. Wow. Ow. Ew. If I were him, I'd be like, all of you shut up. Shut the fuck up. What I like about the progression with him as well is look at how detached he's started to become from it. Defeated. He's good. He's good. He is. He's the best protagonist. Easily. Easily. It's not even close. He's not even listening to them anymore. It feels like he's decided he's saving the next one, whoever it is. Yeah, that's what it looks like. That's interesting. I mean, that's what this montage is telling us, right? They're all just giving him information. He's not using any of it. By the way, this was why it was regrettable to see him pop up in Batwoman, because that show doesn't have good acting really in it. I probably feel similar, I guess. This was such a great decision to leave one person. It is true. You're wearing a sweater vest. I'm sorry. You have to go. As far as I'm concerned, this is the best trap in the series. Yes. Well, he is sexist. Save both the kill. But was it three girls and three guys? Was that the full team? Yeah. Yeah, he killed the other one. He couldn't save all the girls he tried. And a baby. Oh, no. And something about all these traps as well is he has to take damage every time and he does it, too. I like that. I feel like of all the protagonists, it feels like he's learning something. He's gone somewhere. Isn't it nuts that he's brand new, his plot line, and already it's like, I don't care too much about Hoffman's line anymore. God, I did not write them. I'm way more interested in his story. In hand. They sound different. I remember this scene. This tape is from like before saw one also in the timeline. And they're just right now. Do they're like, oh, let's de-scramble it. That's right, me. How have they don't been de-scrabbling these the whole time? Wait, wait before they had a lead on John Kramer. Like they would have been trying to figure out who like the killer is. This is like the actual boys or not. This is some Randy. Yeah. It's just that they were there. Can you see these looks like like why is he walking around like that? You seem a little fucking suspicious. I just want to know who the killer is. Yep. You're acting like a real sissy baka. Shut up. We're listening to the tape. Yeah, shut up. The strong was evil. He just he just starts talking really loudly about his day. I don't know what you guys think. You can't really tell what someone's thinking on the inside. Why would you say that? I guess any of us could be Jigsaw. Right now. Maybe you are Jigsaw. I wonder if Hoffman's feeling a little bit helpless right now. I know, yeah. He's like, you know, this sounds familiar to like somebody in this room. Don't let him get to coffee. He's going to pour it all over the flames. None of this evidence adds up. I think we should destroy it all. It's going to be super suspicious again. You could hear his voice totally there. He's ridiculous. Hang on, I need to get my gun. What does this mean? What? I mean, we all know this. What? Strahm was already dead. I don't think you can tell me. He got it with the coffee. Wait, what the fuck? Nice, nice, nice. She absolutely earned that shanking. Yeah, that's what you get for shooting your friend. It's so absurd. Well, the tape is right here. Nobody knows about you, dude. Okay, so this scene gets incredibly worse if they actually knew it was him. Because if they knew him beforehand, then they should have. Yeah, and they took, like, not really any progression. But in sore fashion, we have once again had these two cops who've got this big old storyline. They're just fucking dead. Yeah, they're just dead. That's it, that's it. What is the point? They keep doing this. He just threw away his murder weapon. Wouldn't you? He didn't wipe it down. He didn't destroy this. Wait, what? How? The two walls would have been crushed together. The tape that incriminates him is still in there. I understand. You don't need to show me. I get it. I know how he caught the hand. No, I want to see all of them. Wait, so what's his plan now? I'll put you in my handbag. No, I know. They just said that he would have done. I know. We knew this before they even had that reveal. Can you leave fingerprints on someone's eyes, though? Why did you do that? Can you leave fingerprints on someone else's skin? So, wait, on there? That is not going to work. Maybe? I don't know. It's not going to work. Wait, how? But Strom is dead. How are you going to... Yeah, like, it's not going to work. I already said that it proves that he was dead. If you're going to torch it all anyway, what's the problem? Well, yeah. Well, the next people who investigate this are the B team, and they won't notice it. I can't wait to see how they die. Should have just gotten the tech team, dude. Oh, he's still up. Come on, buddy. You can do it. Ouchies. They're a little smirked. Game over. Damn. No, it's too early for him to say that. Yeah, he'd say it around about now-ish. Oh. Okay, he'd still say it before he closed the door. Yeah, they weren't too late. Oh. Oh. I guess that destroys all the records they have. Sure. It's not backed up anymore. I don't feel like... They didn't invent the cloud yet. Why is she still in the story? I don't know. She's Jigsaw's wave. Oh, my God. Yeah. Jigsaw's wave. It's Miss Jigsaw. Come on, Wolfman. The missiles. Wait, you didn't check in with the zoologist. Also, that door wasn't secure. No. And you know not to go through unsecured doors. You taught that guy that. Yeah, it seemed like your idea. Dude, Officer Rigg feels like it was 10 years ago. This is again. Yay. Just in case you're a big fan of that scene, it needed an extra hit. Well, it was such an important scene. I did need an extra hit. But nothing seems to be nice. You still have a few minutes. Wait, has he removed all of his bracelets now or no? I think so. He's got one, right? Well, no, because he's done all four tests. And he has four bracelets now. I think he's got rid of all of them. Oh, I've got two bracelets and two enklets. You can pull it. No, you don't know what it does. Yeah, but they're also running out of time. OK. It's reasonable. It says live on it. So this means I live. You wouldn't lie to me. If it was that simple, just like, oh. I guess. Oh, Mr. Jigger wouldn't lie to us. I'm literally making a choice. It was all a social experiment. I like. Fuck, we're not dead. Just to test it. Like, what? It didn't work. It just didn't, like, what if die works? Like, what if live is the absence of something working? You know, like. I'm not going anywhere. Fuck off. Why are we doing that? Stop. Are you sure about that? I'm a landlord. I get in the way of shit. Amanda will fail you. Oh. You were with Cecil the night. Jill lost Gideon. Oh, my God. Everybody is just off slightly off the frame, you know? If he turns the camera a bit further, there's a new character there. She's saying, I'll give you big fun time if you get. Oh, don't do that, though. You see? Really, she was the one that pushed. Wait, how does Hoffman know this? Exactly. I have no fucking idea how he does that. Oh, my God. Look. The little dandelion. There was nothing to do with Amanda. It was Hoffman the whole time. He didn't, he waited until then to kill it. Like, he didn't say you have to make it dramatically logical. You have to find the right moment to kill her. He didn't frame her plan for her to kill her. What was that? Oh, geez. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, geez. Ow. Wait, I'm sorry. How is that hitting him? What? I guess he's looking for a guy that's shocked him. But he's wearing clothes. It's fine, it's fine. But it's an electric chip. Don't worry about it. But it's a. Yay, you got it. I like this guy. I like this guy for the timer, but okay. I hope this guy doesn't die. I like. Yeah. Oh, well, he made it. So we're not doing a soulful thing, right? Where you make it and then you get killed because of it. Oh, it was an unsecured door that he went through. Oh, hey guys. She kept that toss. I could cut you free. We're in a relationship, I guess. Remember that time where you said I'd make it for your birthday? Wait, this is never, what? I'm oddly your family. They what? So this is his girlfriend. No, sister. Oh, sister. Remember this guy? Guess who that is, rags? They have the family of that guy. What? Many victims. That's no. It's a little bit more complicated. Yeah. It's the system that killed your dad. Time for the final trap. Hello. Oh, Lindenle, no way. Fuck. All the music. Keith and the other ones. So after all that, they get to decide. Yeah. Now they're given the choice. Let him live. Let him die. Having watched everything that he did as well in this game. You have to be a real dick to go in. He's had an arc here. He's won something. Yeah, like, it's not even, what do you mean it's not your game? I mean, it's kind of, it's your game and their game, right? Shouldn't anybody who's participating get a chance at survival if we're going to believe Jigsaw is bullshit? Yeah. Well, everybody participating could get a chance. Why do you want to miss him if you're going to leave his fate totally out of his hands anyway? You know? Or maybe that's the point. Yeah, get him, get him to maybe come to terms with his wrong despair. Whoa. Oh my god, they put a gun on Hoffman. Hoffers, run. Hoffers. Hoffers, no. Imagine being killed by that bitch. I know. If I'm alive, I could get your husband, his insurance. I mean, it's really, we can talk about it. Yeah, I learned it bad now. There was a sixth one, bitch. Also, like, surely you'll get charged with murder after this if you hit the dice. Like, that's you doing that. You're not, like, even forced to do it. It's not like, like, never. Yeah. Oh, Jiminy Christmas. You just have a live and die switch. That's it. The reason I am doing this isn't because I can't forgive you. It's because I couldn't forgive myself for what you might do to someone else. Please, no. I think he might be out of the business after this. Yeah, he doesn't get them sick. He doesn't make them sick. God damn it. Yeah, he doesn't make them sick. Also, this is murder, is it not? Yeah, it's not. Really? Yeah. She wouldn't be getting charged if she does this. What you're doing is worse than what he did. Yeah. If you got through with it. Oh, definitely. It's way worse. Please don't leave the sun near the box. There's no doubt about letting him live. Like, fuck you, dude. Like, seriously. Looks like you're going to jail. What? Listen, let the film complete first because there's more to consume information. Why is he here? I always knew the sun was a piece of shit. What? What the fucking hell? Just so we had a use for the hydrochloric acid, I guess. It seems like he could have avoided it. He could have avoided it, yeah. He definitely could have avoided it, but he didn't. Oh, she's getting over it. What I will give to the film is that he was not focusing on how to avoid whatever it might be that kills him to even know what it was. Yeah. It would have been funny if he did avoid it and it just sprayed hydrochloric acid. On them? Yeah. Whoa. I can't believe they let Jill fucks say game over. Thank you, film. He just wants to make sure you got it, right? I think you didn't choose before, though. Ow, geez. Yeah, I don't want to see this guy sizzling anymore. Just end it. Like, after all that, he gets one of the most hateful deaths in this series. I'm trying to think of which one is worse. Like, this is one of the most grossest fucking ones ever. Yeah. What's the point of teaching him the lesson, you know? If your thing is to... I actually think there is something to it. It's just that it's not going to be satisfying. I think it's... Don't like it. It was no Donnie Wahlberg death, though. It was no six months of torture. That's true, actually. Oh, boy, the clock's running down, buddy. She probably should have stayed in the room. So that she couldn't leave off him. She said game over a bit prematurely. She did say game over, but... I mean... We've certainly been tested now. That's my time. Like, just random clips. There is random clips. Random clips. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty smart. Look at him. Look at him. Surviving a trap. I mean, it kind of... It deems me a little bit to him. A little... Yeah, a little bit. He is a determined fella. Ow. Yeah. That can't be the end. That's it. Notwithstanding the fate of Black Mask, that's my favorite one in the series. And without, yeah, without that ending, it is easily the best. Well, let's talk about it, shall we? We should talk about it. These films are shockingly unsatisfying. They're staggeringly unsatisfying movies. I didn't need him to live. I agree that, like, yeah, he went through an arc, and it would be more interesting if he lived. But, eh, whatever, you know, usually... I am of two minds about this. I'm going to go for the... I'm going to go for the death at the end of, like, oh, I thought I made it, and then I didn't. Like, that's just a part of the... Oh, fuck that. I want to go for the more meaningful direction. I think it's the idea there is that he went through all of that shit, understood it all greatly, but then it's this grim reality of human nature that that kid is like, you killed my dad. I'm killing you. Like, the kid doesn't understand a lot about what's happened here, but it's a pretty genuine reaction. It's not something I'm surprised about at all. And that's just a reality. And I actually think that that's one of the first things he had to deal with, that first test of this old lady, she's got a family, but she's fucking... She's had her life. This guy's young, he's in his 20s, and he's ready to do all kinds of... It's like, yeah, but look how many people care about it. You wouldn't want her to die, would you? He pretty much did a similar thing, appealing to, like, emotions. Like, oh, this is the just thing to do. That kid is an asshole, but, like, it makes sense to you make that decision. And I think that would have been going through the main character's head. Like, Jesus Christ, after all this. Because that's the thing, right? His whole approach is very robotic. The formula. I will... Who lives and who dies is based on statistics and numbers and stuff. When I think that's part of what the film wants to say is, like, it's a little bit more complicated than that. Which we all know. Yeah, that's fine. It's just... When you get into, like, business, industry of health care and stuff, it does come down to role numbers, because how else can you do it in a fair way? I find it really fucking harsh, and it disgusts me that he ended up with that, because you such... I actually would go as far as saying he was a really good guy. He just got... He's a part of a system that... You do everything efficiently, and then you start seeing the results, and you're like, oh, that's uncomfortable. That's kind of what the film was doing, is putting him face to face with, like, the more harsh reality of his choices. Like, his policy is a nice way to disassociate from the consequences of this, which is that you're making choices at the time when people's fate. And in this game, it's like, well, you're face to face with that. Like, you see it happening. You can't hide behind that anymore. You're right there. You have to make the choice. 10 million steps away from the death bed, or the suffering bed where they're screaming, and if he had the ability to press a button to stop it, he probably would, but that's just not the system. Oh, exactly. Even though there's a distinction without a difference, almost. At least that's what Jigsaw's point is attempting to be. And so in that sense, what you have is like a set of games that are of all of the ones in the series, the ones that make the most sense in conjunction with the story that they're trying to tell broadly. It's like the only time that the traps have fairly consistent with what point is trying to be made. Yeah. Yeah. And it was well-designed regardless. I think that they were just, like, well-written for, like, emotional beats. Again, the distinction. So, I mean, Spree's already said it, but I actually agree. Yo, you kill me. This is my favorite, and I would argue the best saw out of all of them so far. I think I would argue what some have to say. Yeah. It just seems to be the best in terms of the track designs and actually engaging reasons. And it seems like kind of self-aware in a way, like with how silly it's getting. Like, it kind of knows what is satisfying in a lot of these scenes. Right. That's what this is all about. It's like, how do people want it? I don't think there's a people want from a saw film. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels like Saw 3 again, but they did it correctly this time. They didn't fuck it up. Yeah. Or at least mostly. Right. Like, because Saw 3 was trying to do, like, would you kill these people? Well, it's a different thing, but you understand. Like, this is way more meaningful. The one thing I really, really don't like about the ending is that they have to flip the switch to kill him because I feel like it'd be more meaningful if he was going to die and they had to choose whether to save him or not, because that's kind of... That would be better. Yeah. Also, they wouldn't go to jail. Like, there's no reason they need to flip the switch. Like, they're literally just stating where it's not a game anymore. You're just, like, giving someone a gun, like, hey, do you want to kill that guy? Like, it's basically what just happened. Well, also, I'm actually more meaningful. Hold on. It's more meaningful for them because that's kind of what he has to do. He chooses not to save people. Oh, yeah, just kill that guy. So, I would have to correct you on that. It's not quite the same. It doesn't cost them anything. We need it to cost them something. Oh, yeah. Well, either way, it's better than they flip the switch themselves. I think it's more suitable. Yeah, but I would still want it one step above. Maybe even like... Yeah, what if they had to drain like a pint of blood each or something? Oh, wait. Hold on. There's a scene. Oh, not Amanda. Oh, God, it's saving the little girl. So, they really tried to fix Amanda up after everyone complained about how shit she was. I don't think I knew this was here. Don't trust the one who saves you. Wait, so what? So, Hoffman saves the little girl, which was established at the beginning of SOV4 or 5. So, she's the one that would have tipped off? Yeah. So, she is telling the little girl not to trust Hoffman. Yeah, but that's all that was. Does that mean anything or is that just to tell us that Amanda was kind of a good person despite what everyone feels at this point? I guess we can't really say whether or not it means anything if we haven't seen the rest of the film. Well, but I thought it was trying to say like that's how Hoffman was found out potentially by the other cops or something. I'm assuming that's unrelated. That surely has to be unrelated. Like, I don't know. The woman whispered and told me not to trust who saved me. It's like... Yeah, yeah, but I would also go as far as saying that seems in conjunction with recontextualizing Amanda's motive to kill Dr. Lundenlun, that she's trying to fix it. Yeah, which is weird because she's still like... Terrible. Are they implying that she faked her whole jealousy? Yeah, absolutely. So she thinks that if Cramer would find out that she worked with the tweaker to destroy that, that it would fuck everything up. So she would rather kill Lundenlun so she's got to make up a reason. It's really fucking annoying. And it's just not at all in Saw 3 or 4 or 5. They took this long to tell us that. And they hid it after the credits. Yeah, and this is before Marvel made that a thing that everybody was paying attention to. Yeah, the projects invented post-credits scenes. Oh my. It was important enough to show, but not important enough to have in the film. Yeah. It was like a post-credits thing. I think I'm starting to realize that Saw might be the franchise for annoying me with good potential. Yeah, like it's like... Check out this. They're like, oh, that's cool. No. No. Yeah, I executed well, but the premise is cool. There's a world where there was a really great Saw film franchise and we don't live in that world. Yeah, they made me watch the guy who was almost ruined for throughout this entire movie, just screaming agony. Yeah. Thanks. And then all those cops just fucking lying. I feel like there's an argument to make that perhaps his character wasn't entirely redeemed. Sure, I can buy that he had an arc and that he figured things out in the course of the traps, but I can also see people saying, you know what, just because it's starting to affect people you know personally, you're still kind of an asshole for doing this the entire time. We didn't have the chance to ever do anything. This is the thing I think is so complicated. His test, as far as I'm concerned, was when he started taking damage to save people and he chose to do it. That's when he says a hell of a lot about him. Yeah, like he didn't have an arc. He cut himself open to get the key to save that lady. Yeah, she just fucking went psycho on him. So we couldn't even like, I mean, that was really funny. He stood out of the way of the steam and he chose to hurt himself. When the lady is saved, I think he's like, you know, I'm going to find us a way out of here. You know, you stay there, stay safe. Just like you could tell he definitely really made that decision because he just... He was even telling the janitor man like to try and hold his breath, even though they were in a direct competition where one of them would... These are all... And he's just desperate. And man, what an excellent choice to have pushed him this far after all those traps to the carousel one and just halfway through have him be given up. He's just so done. Can't handle the stress of all of this anymore. He comes across as the most human character in all of S.O.L. And he's the insurance guy, like... Honestly. Yeah, there's some good writing in this film somehow. And some... Somehow it's a great thing. I like the opening trap a lot. I love the editing and the music in the opening trap. Like the way the music just like kind of stops right as soon as she makes that decision. She's like, Fuck it, it's go time right before she like chops her whole arm off. Like I just think that like, cinematically that was really well expressed. And it's weird to be saying this about a S.O.L. film, but like, yeah. So this to me feels like they finally nailed the formula. They got it after all this time. Well, they... Unfortunately, this is the one that made the least money. Fuck's sake. I just wanted to say actually as well, I think the weakest part of this film is actually the Hoffman plotline. It's pretty boring. Yes. Walking around being suspicious. This is the whole thing. And what a way to go like, that cop you thought she was dead, she's bad as she's dead. Now she's dead for real until we bring her back. If they brought her back in the next movie, then she could be like, Yo, what happened to our department? Why does everyone die? What is that about? Just get some more scars for every movie. Hoffman escaped the reverse bear trap and he escaped it without a kid. He did. That's pretty cool. Yeah, we got threads to complete. I don't like that we're making Jill Tuck more important in this one. I know. Now we've got Hoffman who'd probably have some revengey feelings for here at this point. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he'll kill her. That'll be good. Jill Tuck was the one who set Game Over this time. I hated that. It's like a downgrade every time. It went from Jigsaw to Amanda. Now it's her. It's like, no, go back. Everybody gets one. I think this is easily my favorite of everything post one. I don't know if I like it more than one. What do you guys think? I'm not sure what I can actually pick up in one that would come out above the overall thing with this guy. This guy, this main character of ours. He's the best thing in this whole franchise. If we're talking about pure enjoyment, this is my favorite for so far, for sure. Capital is, it might be, because I think you mentioned in the first one that you really liked that it was just two guys in a room sort of. Yeah, I really like that too. Do you think there's a lot of other stuff in that movie? There is. But I guess it's that there's a respect for source. Like you didn't have a lot of money and you made something that was kind of interesting and cool. But I think that this one has a lot more moments that I just flat out enjoy and moments that I would compliment. I really like the carousel trap. It's my favorite one. It starts and they're freaked out by it. But then once it becomes clear, oh, shit. Like only two of us are going to get out of here. They just start fighting with each other, trying to fight. And at first it starts with very honest attempts to get out. Like, I have two kids. I got to raise them. Hey, come on, man. Like we like each other. And then as it gets more desperate, it's like people start lying about things and like throwing each other under the bus and being like very vicious and trying to survive. And then to make, what a great idea to have the last guy be doomed. That he chooses the second lost person. We get to spend like a good 30 seconds with him. Like, you killed me. I'm dead. Yeah. I'm not going to say his actor was fantastic, but the dialogue was really strong. Look at me when you're killing me. It's like, oh, yeah. That's a good moment. Not only do I like that line, but when he does look at him, he then accepts that and then realizes again, I'm about to die. Oh, shit. Yeah. It's a great thing. The carousel trap kind of merges two of the best aspects of traps. So you have the one guy who has to make a choice for other people and like take harm and damage to himself to try to save people. But then you also have the people on the trap trying to save themselves, you know, by convincing him to spare them. So you get the best of both worlds. And it's a persistent thing with this film. We've looked at the other films and how a lot of the traps are like kind of stupid. In this film, I feel like it has most consistently the conceptual is strong as traps. The arguing trap was really strong. It's like, it's really simple. You two suck, bite to figure out who can cut off more of their flesh in 60 seconds of one of your diets. It's like, that's an easy one to follow. And then in this one, it's like, there's two people standing on pedestals. You can only save one. I think the weakest trap of the film was probably the steamed hams one. Yeah. That was just kind of forgettable. I think the breathing one to me was the worst one. Wait, are we judging them as they are or are we judging them for what they were trying to be? Because the steamed hams one, I actually think would be fine if they had fucking fixed it up a little bit. Like I actually kind of like it. I'm judging it based on what it was in the scene. With what they are, I still take issue with the first trap because peeing and pooing, man, it's underrated. This movie has the same sort of execution problems in terms of the traps that a number of the other films do, but I feel like it has more redeeming problems. The carousel one, I can't fault. It's great. I'm imagining a different world where we have a saw movie where in the opening crap, the woman's pregnant and at the last second, she just like punches at her baby and tosses it in. Oh my God. That would be a different director. I win. Yeah. Same editing, same music. Imagine if there's a little puppet that makes like a grimace face. Jesus Christ. He tosses it in there. You get like a fucking like ding sound effect. Like I don't know. 3 pointer. Well, all right then. That's all six, everybody. What an adventure. Thank you all for joining us. See you for the next one. Goodbye, everybody. See you later.