 Okay, great. We have five. We can start. I'll call the meeting to order at 807 a.m. And the first item on the agenda is general business and appearances. This is an opportunity for members of the public to to be heard on any item not on the agenda for today's meeting. Anyone who wants to be heard. It's star six. If you're a colon user and you'd like to unmute. Okay. We'll move to the next item on the agenda, which is the only item on the agenda, which is address allegations of open meeting law violation. Bill, do you want to set us up with an overview? Sure can. Although everything is in the meeting materials. We received an allegation that the city was committing an open meeting law violation. There wasn't a specific allegation of a specific meeting, but a general violation that we were not properly recording and taking minutes of the meeting specifically those which were remote only provided you copies of the actual verbiage of the complaint, the verbiage of the relative statute and proposed findings. I do consult with our attorney about this and ran what you see in front of you past him. And we'll start it off. Okay, thank you. Stephen, is that you on the telephone and do you wish to be heard? Yes. Yes, I do. This, this is another example of a gross mismanagement and misleading information from the city manager. The allegation is that the recordings are too required by statute to be maintained by the city and copies available by the city. The city is not maintaining copies of these recordings is not in this case. There is no contract with Orca to do that. Orca, I've spoken with Rob Chapman. They are not inclined to take on the obligations of the city for archiving and making copies available at cost. And so the city is really obligated here to refine. Is the city clerk present in the meeting? I don't, that's a question. I didn't get, I also enlisted as a interested party, yet no one notified me of this meeting. If there's another example of gross mismanagement. But Orca is not the city's agent. There is no contract with Orca. I did a public records request and confirmed that. I spoke with the Secretary of State's office. That is the only circumstance upon which city might be out from under these obligations. And the city is squarely obligated to maintain, provide access to view and provide copies upon request of these recordings. And the minutes I've spoken to the city clerk, the minutes absolutely rely on the recording. Many times I've had to ask the clerk clarification of the minutes and he's had to go reference for recordings. So it is insufficient to pretend that Orca is fulfilling the city's obligation just because the manager has laxed. Does any member of the council have questions of Mr. Rittaker? Okay, hearing none, I have a question for the manager or the assistant city manager, which is that when we log on to these zoom calls, we always see a notification that pops up on the screen that says that the meeting is being recorded. Is that being recorded within the zoom platform? Yes. And is that also either in the possession of the city or accessible to the public upon request? Yes, and we can make copies upon request. Does anyone have anything else? Okay. The proposal for the, in the packet was that we should adopt a resolution. Does anyone want to move the resolution? Okay, Donna. I realize I didn't pull out that wonderful guide sheet, but I was going to make a motion that we go into executive session to discuss what we've been advised by our lawyer. Okay, is there a second? Second. And Donna, I know you don't have the. I can find it real quick. Who's the lawyer that's being referred to? Michael Town. Okay. This is a one motion. Is it not. This is a two motion one. Okay, I'll go down here. 313 a one. Yes. I moved to find that premature general knowledge of the information given to us by our lawyer will prove a disadvantage to the city. And that we have a need for executive session. I'll take it. All those any discussion. I'll register an objection. This is clearly public business and we're not. We're not in litigation and this is clearly public business about transparency, which the city sorely needs greater transparency, not less. Thank you. Any other discussion. I have a question. For the city manager is there. Is there additional information that is coming from our lawyer that we have not already heard. Not really no. Then you certainly shouldn't be discussing this in executive session. So I agree. I have also talked to some legal advice dealing with another organization and like to share that legal advice. I'm not going to go into the context of what the lawyer said. So, right. Is there any other any further discussion on the motion. And the motion is that the city council finds that premature. General public knowledge would clearly place the public body or a person involved that is substantial. Disadvantage regarding confidential attorney client communications. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay, we've adopted the finding. Now is there another motion. I move that we enter executive session to discuss the legal advice around the open meeting law violation under title one section 313 a one other Vermont statue. And is there a second. Yes, second. Any discussion. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed. Okay, the motion carries and we will go into executive session. I need to go find mine so we can go out. My email that said we're provided the link for executive session and we can. We'll meet back in the other space. Okay, is everybody back one two. Three, four, five. Okay. I believe there is someone like to make a motion. I move that we come out of executive session. Okay, there's a second all in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. And opposed. Okay, so that motion passes. We're back in regular session. Is there a motion. I make that we adopt the resolution proposed by the city manager. And that we do not see any violation of the open meeting law. Is there a second. Second. Okay, there's a. Motion and a second. Okay. Okay. Any further discussion. Lauren, go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to state, I mean, I think that the capital and city staff work hard with a goal of being transparent and accessible for our meetings and find multiple ways to make them available. And I know it's something that even through our work with the social and economic justice advisory committee, we've been working to figure out ways to be even more accessible. And so I'm happy to support this motion. Okay. Thank you. Any further discussion. Okay. All right then. So we have motion. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. And opposed. Okay. The motion passes. All right. Thank you, everyone. And we'll see you later on. I was with that. I will adjourn the meeting. Okay. Thanks a lot folks. Nice way to start the. Peter agrees, obviously. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks a lot folks. Nice way to start the week. Peter agrees, obviously. Yes.