 Hello everyone and welcome back to enter the ether the new podcast all about the upcoming third-person MOBA ethereal clash of souls I'm your host the one and only man who's joining me as always is my friend co-host and wildfire survivor jelly knees What's up jelly? How you doing man? I'm doing great now that you know my house isn't in danger, but That's always a good feeling when you know you're not going to burn to death. Yeah, just you know It's really relieving. I'm used to always feeling like that, but you know this week. I've decided. Let's get rid of that We're not gonna feel that way anymore Hey, you get free weed or legalized weed. I should say you gotta you gotta deal with some wildfires There's ups and downs everywhere you live. I don't have as many wildfires But I'll get arrested if I go out and smoke a joint about front porch. I mean it's the give-and-take, you know Yeah, exactly. It's the way it goes man. It's the way it goes So This week we have a bit more of a sober talk but topic to discuss than the normal This is like whenever you're watching with your favorite sitcom and all of a sudden somebody Somebody's brother dies or some shit or there's a car accident We're gonna be talking about extra life and UG's involvement in extra life this year, which will be November 7th Before last year, I didn't really know what extra life was I had heard about it I knew streamers that participated in it, but I didn't truly know what it was so we're gonna kind of explain that today and The fun part about it is if ever Ethereal was to actually release some some new content for us to get excited and hyped about it's gonna be during extra life Joey did you watch any of UG's Streaming last time for for extra life. I watched a little bit of it here and there I think mostly tricolor stream that he did But I also was on their like team so to speak for extra life So I was streaming myself that day to help raise money for their team So to explain a little bit about what extra life is it's a it's a foundation that helps They they send money to what's it called children's miracle network It's a network of hospitals and that I'm they just help out children with various diseases It doesn't matter what the disease is and it's a way for gamers specifically to contribute to the cause and Usually they host a 24-hour stream once a year and people will participate They have donation pay pages on their on their Twitch stream and if you donate it goes 100% of the donations Goes to extra life and then a hundred percent of those donations go to the Children's miracle network, so it's a really great cause a really cool thing It really just it shows the character of UG that They are so willing and and and they really want to participate in extra life. They're um They're an ethically sound company I would say Absolutely, and from what I hear from what they've just said in the discord that they're planning to do dev streams like they did last year of various aspects of the development for ethereal and Who knows what else they're they're planning to like you said that if there's a time to see new content or new information This is it That's the perks we get and then of course if you have some extra cash I mean, you know you want to donate then that's the place to do it If not just go out and support you the more views you can get them the more likely other people are to see The content whatever content they happen to be streaming. So I mean, they don't just do ethereal stuff So I know last year they stream some Legal legends and some other stuff like that. It's like it's a variety stream But yeah, if you have if you have some extra money and you want to contribute or if you even if you don't have the money Just go out there take a look at it Just it's for a good cause so why not man Absolutely So extra life just to explain a little bit it was founded in 2008 It was the sarcastic gamers. It was a there was a there was a specific little girl. What was her name? I've got it written down here Victoria in mon she had lymph lymphoblastic leukemia and They were trying to she she she had gotten over it before and then she She went to remission and one of the one of the people that was working with her throughout her recovery was part of this sarcastic gamer group and once the gaming community learned about her case and And learned, you know, the dire straights that she was in they kind of came together And started just they started sending her games like they they they expected, you know somebody maybe a few people sent a little bit of money in some games, but Thousands of people started sending money in games of this little girl So they turned it into the organization that the extra life organization and then it keeps growing every year. They've uh, they've raised Let's see 70 million dollars since their inception in 2008 70 Million dollars that's all gone to the children's miracle network and the children's miracle network they started in 1982 And they've raised 4.7 billion dollars, which is insanity so I know that i'm definitely going to be contributing. However, I can Um, maybe not streaming. Uh, jelly, you'll probably be streaming as part of their network, right? Uh, that's the hope I still have to work out the details with them to see if they're allowing other streamers to be part of their Group again, but I don't see why they wouldn't necessarily so if I can I absolutely will All right on uh, yeah, I as you guys probably know by now. I don't really stream myself, but um I might be participating in some other things. Uh, I can't really say what they are. Hopefully they uh, they come about I don't know if they will yet or not, but I'll definitely be contributing monetarily Yeah, I don't know exactly what all they're going to do Um, we don't know what their plans are, but it is november 7th and they it is going to be um they do have a twitch channel set up And uh, that'll be linked down in the description below so you guys can go check that out if you'll want I think that covers everything for extra life this next week, right? Yeah Yeah, I think that does I don't I really didn't have much else to talk about this part. This is gonna be a pretty short one You want to just talk about Like where we think each class is going to be in a like a lane structure Oh good one. Yeah, let's do that. I feel like that's something that we can do quickly because there's only a few classes But still fill out the rest of the time So who do you where do you think the duo lanes going to be? What lane do you think that is? I feel like the And it's hard without being able to visualize the map, right? The last we know that the map we've seen before is not Um accurate anymore that they said it's very different now than what it was. I would imagine that the uh bottom lane with whether that be the lowest or the uh, wherever um I can't think of the the boss's name now suddenly Atropos wherever atropos is It's going to be the opposite side of that where the equivalent to dragon whichever side the dragon is on assuming that's still a um Objective is going to be the dual outside. I would assume that that's going to be the bottom lane assuming a vertical tier structure But we'll have to wait and see for sure and I wouldn't and absolutely that's going to be marksman and clerics There's I don't have any doubt. Oh, yeah, those are the two classes that are going to stick To the carry support role Yeah, maybe a tank instead of a cleric, but you know some sort of support type role I guess I could see berserkers being A support type role if they had if they had the right abilities to match that I could see at them absolutely could making terrain like cover to use and things like that could be a cool A cool match up for them to use Well, I mean we've seen people will try freaking anything I mean, maybe we see archmage clerics in the duo lane Yeah I think archmage will probably archmage will probably be just like it is now middle lane Yeah, like mages usually go middle lane. I think that's where they'll go the reason behind that is because You know, it is a vertically tiered map structure But they did say there's ways to get around like you can drop through holes or get transported up to the next lane or whatever And mages just have that ability to clear out their lane faster and then rotate without worry of the minions taking their tower So that's usually where you want your mage just because of that quick quick quick clear times that they have I think that's where the archmage is going to be absolutely, especially with the teleportation sigils that they're going to have Though those rotations to other lanes are going to be even faster like they're just And I'm curious to see if there's Set spots for these teleportation sigils or if they can place them anywhere or what the deal is For that that'll be that's um, that's what I'm mostly curious about and maybe if there's some kind of notification That somebody's teleporting and you can get there faster But it warns them that there's been a teleporting event happened or you know, it could be interesting So I forgot that was the archmage's passives. Was that teleportation ruin? Um, yeah, I spend too much time looking at all these classes and theorizing about all this stuff Meanwhile while my girlfriend just looks at me. I can't tell you anything. I'm like, but you can please just I just need a nod, please Um, the thing I'm most curious about is what the 6v6 Structure is going to look like are we going to have a solo lane mid lane duo lane and double jungle? Or are we gonna have two duo lanes the mid lane and then a single jungler? Uh, and I Racks my brain over and over and over again on this trying to and I feel like it could go either way It's really going to come down to balance of the classes and which way they fall Because in my mind reapers and sky slayers could both be junglers They have the movement ability to get around quicker whether it be climbing or flying Mm-hmm. Um, so you could easily do a double jungle in that regard But the caveat to that is then you have 3v1s In going into lanes if you and the second jungler coordinate well You can gank a lane at the same time and turn it into a 3v1 rather than a 2v1 So is that really fair to have two junglers roaming around? That's see that that was my obvious conclusion that there would be like either Like a like a tank carry Or claret carry lane an arc mage in the middle probably a berserker down at the bottom And then a sky slayer roaming around But that leaves one is one two three four fives. Yeah, at least five. Yeah So you'd have a sky slayer roaming around and then just a regular jungler, I guess I think the berserkers might be junglers too. I think you could probably have assassins berserkers and sky slayers And a sky slayer I mean there's nothing says the sky slayer can't take the the ground level jungle like there are specific Aerial jungle fourth guys layers. So Yeah, it'll be very interesting to see how they decide to do that whole lane structure Or in regard to having six people on the map in comparison to regular mobas, which have five I mean you could have Double cleric marksman combos like a cleric and marksman in the top lane It's marksman in the bottom lane and then just a sky slayer roaming around taking all the jungle We're just gonna have nicolai marina and dante all in the same lane just running it down I I need to help you do that little furry music creature Water witch and then just dante running at you. I'm good. I'm good. Thanks. You have a six-man death ball Hopefully they could take actions prevent that because I would hate to see just every game devolve into a six-man death ball Oh like old school paragon the best Except one more And what I'm flying at you six v one way better we fix the problem I would just love to watch kalari flip up in the air just get picked off by a sky slayer Paragon ethereal mashup where we just have sky slayers against paragon characters I love I've always wanted to see some sort of cross over over between Predecessor and ethereal like amida and undying because Like they're really friendly with each other those two companies specifically like I know oan and smoky talk all the time that just another really cool thing about Undying is how friendly they are with a lot of the other teams. Um, it's not it's not just Predecessor, they're also very friendly with project stamina the gigantic resurrection resurrection project So that's a really cool stuff to see they're not trying to compete with these people in a way of That they hope they fail so they can succeed. They kind of hope everyone can succeed together Right because no there are very few gamers play one game Right, so if I can play ethereal and predecessor at the same time And be happy with both and they're both succeeding then that's a win-win for me as a consumer I don't need to be like oh, it's a therial or bust I don't care about predecessor anymore If I can't play ethereal 24 hours a day 365 days a year then what am I doing? Yeah I just I would be really cool to see a crossover like to see I don't know like murdoch adonte swap places for a week or something like that That would be so interesting like if just I know right such a weird thing to happen If they could come out with some special voice lines for both of them Where they're all confused about where they are too that'd be neat So one thing I do want to talk about with you and I know you and I have talked about it in the past And we've talked about it in videos in the past as well is the marksman class ability In that it's so lackluster in comparison to at least the sound of the others granted We haven't seen any of these in action But and I know that ug in the past has said if the community kind of Says like this is lame That they'll consider Updating it to something different Do you have any thoughts on that or do you think what do you think they could do to make this current one better? Man, I wish I could remember all those suggestions A lot of people made suggestions in a video that I did That were like really cool for for the marksman class And we'll have to like dig back in and find those sometime because there's a lot of people who had really good ideas But yeah, the one they have right now I can't remember exactly what it has to do with marking people and just extra damage or something Right marksman can select one enemy myth to target for increased damage right, yeah Which is like Everything else everything was like blow you away cool and there's like you can climb walls You can fly you can do extra damage to one person Congrats You can knock trees down Well, you couldn't So I and I don't know I've tried to put a lot of thought into this of what they could do differently for that ability To make it feel better in some way And the only thing that I ever came up with is some kind of that marksman will always have a very long ranged ability That has some kind of trigger to it that if somebody Does something to a certain extent that they can do a very long range shot single shot and hopefully deal damage or something like that But I mean that's something for people to leave in in the comments for this one I guess is what they think yeah, they could do to update the marksman ability I know one cool idea somebody had was was headshots. However We don't know about all the character designs. Maybe somebody doesn't have a head then Then what do you do with the marksman passive if there's no head like That's just a counter to marksman. You know just no head. Well, automatically They have a marksman click like if that's it I did it Yeah, I don't know there there's got to be something better they can do though because that one yeah, it's Not impressed with that one the ones I'm most curious about are cleric and knight cleric It has multiple a theory of paths that they can fit yeah, which is interesting just in and of itself I'm curious what those look like I imagine And this is not me trying to compare the two to each other at all But I imagine the the a theory and path system Will function something like the aspect system in fault That they kind of pick these unique bonuses for their character or the abilities that they have as a character And then take that into the rest of the game But it's just for clerics and then the knights having to go on like a mini quest To get a mystery item. I am so curious how that works Because if it's like a short little nothing quest The item probably can't be too strong But if it's so involved that you have to actively basically not play the game To go do your side quest then you're putting your team at a detriment like it's a weird balance that they'll have to find And it makes me think that the knights are supposed to be junglers as well Because in my mind having to go for a quest and being in a lane Don't fit together Because if I have to abandon my lane for long periods to go do this Epic quest I go I have to go hunt down the red buff in order to uh Get extra fire damage or something It'll be well like um Heroes of the storm has questing talents that you you pick like a quest at the beginning of the game or um Sometimes they're not activated until like mid game or something like that But it's it's usually something like hit a certain ability so many times on a hero or kill this many minions or It's something like that that you actually you could complete it in lane. You don't have to like journey out and do anything It's not a literal quest where i'm like going across the map You're like, oh, hey danta. Hey marina. I'm just here to kill my quest. You know no big deal Yeah, you're not taking the ring to mortar. You're just Doing your normal shit, but if you do it well enough Then uh Yeah, you get you unlock some some special stuff at least that's the way to do it And here's the storm of course that's not the way they have to do it In ethereal is just that's the way I see a questing talent just because that's kind of the background that I come from I could see that that would make sense Kill so many minions and get this upgrade and kill whatever it is I imagine they'll have multiples that you can pick from toward that end yeah So you could probably specifically Uh choose what best counters the enemy team's composition or enhances your team's composition I think that's the way the clerics are going to be as well. You're going to pick something that either um enhances your team or Or is just a counter pick to what the enemy team's comp is It's going to take us a while to figure out what the different comps are and what they're good at and how to counter those But that's going to be the fun of playing this brand new game Absolutely, and that's I think the pre alpha is going to be so much It's going to be bug testing for sure But it's also going to be those I think today they said they're estimating 2 000 people for pre alpha depending on server ability But having those 2 000 people be the determining factor of like what the meta is or what the meta goes towards will be really interesting and i'm excited for that And the more people you add into the game the crazier the meta is going to get And they're going to have their hands full with trying to adjust to it And they've said in the past that they don't want to Constrain any myth to any lane That if for if some for some reason archmage berserker works in the duo lane as long as it's not oppressive They're not going to force them back to their respective lanes If it feels balanced in the in that lane, then they're not going to stress out about it Which is really cool from a real challenge, right? But yeah making that balance Making that balanced at all is just going to be an overwhelming task Oh, no, it's yet to be seen We never did we never did get to all the lanes though We started this conversation talking about what classes will be in which lane So something you brought up like you you were saying the duo lane will probably be opposite of a tropos Do you think that they'll have some sort of buff like predecessor has fang tooth? And usually your duo lane goes to the fang tooth side of the map. Do you think there'll be a buff like that? I would imagine there has to be um, I think I know I don't know of any mobas that don't have some kind of secondary objective global objective I think dota 2 maybe doesn't have one, but that's the only one I can think of Um Smite has the gold buff and then the fury buff and then there's Or whatever they're called. I don't play enough smite to know the names of these things but League has the dragon and the baron buff Like you said predecessor has Orb prime and fang tooth fault the same thing I would imagine they have to do something like that and it would because it creates team fighting opportunities right Instead of just making the game kind of stale in that. Oh, I'm a jungler. I just go gang lanes I don't have any priorities outside of that And it gives you a reason to go to a certain lane and to Attempt to dominate that lane. Otherwise, you're just farming for just farming simulator for 30 minutes Competitive farming simulator. Come on. Yeah Oh forgot about that You know people are good So like we said archmages in the mid lane, I would assume berserkers are going to be off lane most likely That's what I was thinking. Yeah, clerics will be the supports. So they'll be in duo lane The knights I could see being junglers or I could see them being off laners either way. I think it really comes down to how they're Their relic hunt works More than anything. I think if their relic hunt can be done in lane, they'll be more played in lane as the top laner equivalent um Marksman will be in the duo lane Reapers, I feel like could go almost anywhere except for the duo lane Yeah, uh, I feel like it depends on their abilities mid lane assassins They could be junglers. They could be off laners. I feel like they're the ones that are probably the most versatile Right and then sky slayers junglers through and through The the problem I have is I'll always end up comparing Those the classes for ethereal to paragon Heroes which is not Correct. It's not it's not right to do so because there's no Telling what they're going to do, but I always think like Well, I mean calari's a great off laner and you never click calari mid But calari's you know a good jungler I think of like an assassin is you never take an assassin mid But maybe you can maybe in ethereal assassins have great wave clear And and can do something like that. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, and that's until we know what the abilities are for at least the first seven that are going to be in the alpha it's going to be hard to tell one way or another Where they're going to fall balance wise and lane wise in in the whole structure of everything I think berserkers will Definitely have the jungler option as well though says they can break down terrain and such That's probably true It'll be interesting to see if they can block So if the jungle is Small and has like small pathways through it It'd be interesting to see if berserker can just stop a path and force them to go around unless they're a sky slayer or a reaper Yeah Oh, I think it's also it would be also interesting if they could break a tree down in a way that it would go Get up to the sky jungle and then just oh that'd be so cool Run up that tree and that would be like such a satisfying thing to do as a berserker Right just knocked on a tree run up carefully run up it balance all the way up Imagine the first time you did it too. You're like, I wonder if I hit this tree right here If it'll go up there and you do it and it does work. You're you'd just be like, oh my god This game everybody else like come look at me like I'm up here Everybody come run up this tree. I'd be grog nark. Just jumping up and down up on a sky camp. Absolutely This guy slayer just packing at you like I got up here with a tree. I didn't need wings That's still you have to be determined too. I still don't know Like destructible parts of the environment. Do they stay down or How long are they there? Are they then respond that if it's destructible Then let's say the carry runs through and shoots at it enough times that it breaks that you can then go through there How is that all of that's going to be super Interesting to see Yeah, maybe like and anybody can actually destroy something just berserkers are way way better at it or something like that. I don't know God I can't wait till this game comes out. There's so many questions I feel like the the when the website update goes out We're just going to look at it and have so many answers But then a whole slew of new questions like it's just going to be A undertaking to look at it all we'll have to like go week by week on single hero or single myths And be like, okay grog nark sounds absolutely insane Because he can just throw rocks at everybody everywhere he wants. Yeah Hmm Hopefully this weekend during the actual livestream we'll be able to find some new information out at least At least see something new. We haven't seen anything new in such a long time from from them, which is I think the lack of new information was when they updated the website to its current form Yeah, I think so. Oh my god It's been a while it's been a while And I don't know a lot of people like I see people in the comments that have lost faith in this game And I you know, I don't blame them. I mean not at all There's there's nothing to really give them faith for all for a while That's it's really the hardcore fans of the game that still have faith in the game. I mean jelly and I Probably have more reason than most people to believe in the game, especially jelly. I mean his girlfriend Works for a time game. So Yeah, absolutely and that when she Got the position to work for them. It definitely kind of reignited that like That hope for the game in me. Like I it's not that I lost hope by any stretch, but it definitely was like dormant I was just like, yeah, eventually ethereal come whatever And then when she got it, it's like, okay, you know, like this is a thing like we're back to this like Right on man, right on And we're just gonna keep the new cyberpunk. We're just gonna delay delay delay delay Oh, man. Don't don't don't say I mean that it has been delayed so many times now for good reasons, of course, but It still hurts still hurts to see it. Absolutely for this for so long But if it's good when it comes out and I won't care It'll all be worth it. Yeah as long as it'll make the mistake of like I think over prime really made a mistake by by releasing their game to just For anyone to try Like in the state that it was in at first like over prime has really come a long way. They've improved that game significantly But nobody wants to give it a try because they still remember the first time they tried to play over over prime You know, absolutely when you when I think it's smarter material not to do that. Yeah When you burn the community on your first impression, it's really hard to get anyone to come back after that I Look at their predecessor bird everybody on their first impression It took, you know a year later of being of them being silent Like they pretty much made everybody forget about them so that they could bust back on With something new and exciting And it worked out for them. Absolutely. I think I've never seen the predecessor community so like hyped up for that Oh, I mean they came back with a really great product and hopefully that's what we're getting from ethereal Is they're work putting in all this hard work right now so that we get an excellent product in the end Absolutely Oh, well, jelly. Do you have anything else you wanted to discuss there buddy? I think that's it for this week Next week without psionics with us Yes, indeed Still don't know exactly what we're going to talk about with psionics. We're gonna He's part of the gda team. We're going to try and ask him some gda questions, but we've got to find out Mainly from this weekend what we're actually allowed to talk about so absolutely And we will ask him everything that we possibly can It's just whether or not we grill him like we grilled mud Exactly We just got to trip him up. That's the plan now. We'll start working on it that we just berate him with questions And then just so wins ethereal coming out All right plug time jelly The same usual things twitch tv twitch.tv slash jelly knees hanging out If you like the video like and subscribe um That's really need to uh, really need to start uploading these to to to the actual podcast Even though a lot of it is very visual, but yeah, I'll I'll I'll get that done pretty soon And then you can just listen while you're folding laundry or whatever the hell Or just listen to me as you go to sleep me and jelly as you go to sleep That's what I do with most of the podcasts that I really like don't listen to me while you go to sleep I don't I don't want you thinking of me as you go to sleep. It's okay That what that's That's what I do. I'll think about you when I go to sleep jelly You heard it here first, I guess Mangoes three weeks in a row leaving us with something creepy is the end the end result here I feel like Rudolph Giuliani Can't help but creep people the fuck out Oh, that was so gross. Anyway That's gonna be it For jelly I really did it. It's awkward as shit. Just like just like I always do So, what do we have now? We have uh unsolved mysteries might be ghosts or aliens Uh, what was what was last week? Oh, yeah, the heat death of the universe And then now we have that mangoes thinks about me when he goes to sleep. So we're fine I may not be back next week, but it's okay But okay before I embarrass myself further, this is the man goose in jelly. He's setting off. You guys have a good one Mangoes