 We are gonna have a show. Let me tell you it's gonna be full of cars I'm sort of I'm nodding silently not helpful. Yes. Yeah, no, I don't ever But but you know it's a um, it's a news packed Monday. Yeah, it sure is Yeah And we have a computer the size of a grain of salt. Yes Exciting. Yeah, and a puppy that plays basketball. What? Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much every local news, right? Somebody died something caught fire and a puppy that plays basketball Don't forget rock salt computers Science am I right rock salt computers are our puppy playing basketball today. It's pretty cool though It's really cool. Ten cents. Yeah, and and and it's part of the whole shipping blockchain stuff Which is you know, I mean everybody's trying to make a joke about Bitcoin on it But it's like no, this is actually the real good use of blockchain. Exactly Not about mining anything. It's like a very small computer Hooray Well, it's good to see bio cow. He's had to miss a lot of live shows lately, but he's in the audience Okay, he's got his one beat master and I could see they're all there. They're all there Hey, y'all, I just had a very decadent chocolate croissant I know it was croissant with chocolate in it or croissant that was baked with chocolate as the It's gonna have it in it. I don't know. I don't know the difference Well, no, was the bread chocolate or was there chocolate inside a normal croissant? No, yeah It was it was chocolate in the croissant. Gotcha. So the typical. Yeah And it was it was delish But no I'm from say it was delish but But now I'm starting to get that sugar headache so where we better start no, I mean I want to pick the show I'm just saying I'm in a lot of pain, Tom Don't worry Hey, if I could do the show with a sore throat and a mild fever You can do a show of the sugar headache That's fair. The sugar headache or sugar after rush like what you cut down I don't know the difference of that either It's gonna be your answer to everything I don't know. I hate a thing. I hate a thing. Okay, leave me alone. All right Y'all ready? Yep. Yep. Yes Sarah, could you read the the pre-roll? I could all right Really expect you to say I don't know the answer Here we go three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot-com slash supports This is the Daily Tech news for Monday March 19th 2018 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt And from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane and joining us today very happy to have back on the show tech Journalist and influencer Lance you'll enough. How's it going Lance? Good? Thanks so much for having me. I'm very excited to be on the show with you guys almost feel like I'm with you You you are right here with Nothing separating us but bits and bites Okay, same as me a little weather. Yeah. Yeah, possibly Yeah, a little bit of weather some big news today And a big thanks to our producer Roger Chang for helping us put it all together Of course Let's start with a few tech things you should know On Friday Facebook announced it suspended the accounts of strategic communications laboratories It's data analytics firm Cambridge analytics Cambridge University professor Alexander Kogan and Christopher Wiley from a data harvesting firm known as Unola Technologies for violating Facebook's policies on data collection We're going to dig into this a lot further later in the show at IBM think 2018 The company is showing off a computer the size of a grain of salt or rock salt So it's not quite as tiny as that but still pretty small a computer approximately has the power of a 486 processor cost less than 10 cents to manufacture and it's intended to be used for Blockchain shipment tracking of goods and serve or packages goods Also for detecting theft fraud and non-compliance IBM researchers are testing the first prototypes. So there's no release date on this yet Google has a new program called shopping actions where retailers can list their products in a new area on search separate from ads and regular search listings So instead of paying for impressions like with ads the retailers will pay Google's percentage of each purchase The program will work on search Google express and Google assistance Magically has released something Not it's purported mixed reality headset It is however a creator portal for developers that includes an actual SDK You can find it for real at magically comm slash Creator all right. Let's talk a little bit more about a very tragic event happening in Arizona Yeah, this happened today and we sort of been cobbling together information as it comes in because it's still coming in ABC 15 in Tempe, Arizona reported that 49 year old Elaine Herzberg Died after being struck by a self-driving uber SUV police reported She was crossing a street outside of the crosswalk sort of disputed depending on which report you Anyway, that's possibly an interesting development Uber it did have a human safety driver But was in autonomous mode at the time of the accident This is the first known time an autonomous vehicle Operating in self-driving mode has resulted in a human death Uber CEO Dara Kajra Shahi expressed sympathy for the victim's family on Twitter and said that ubers working with local authorities to determine What exactly happened uber also has paused all of its AV testing operations across all city where it currently operates Including Pittsburgh, Toronto, San Francisco and Phoenix the US National Transportation Safety Board is also investigating Now I always hasten to add in these kinds of stories and and this is the first time we've had this particular kind But this is still something that has happened less often with an autonomous car than it does with a manual car Sadly pedestrians are hit and often killed Quite frequently in the United States That doesn't change that this is a an absolute watershed Lance. How bad is this for uber and autonomous cars in general? Do you think? So, you know, I was saying on on Twitter This is like everyone's worst fears realized about self-driving cars because people They don't trust robots. They don't trust self-driving cars I could tell them until I'm blue in the face that Autonomous driving is always going to be safer than human driving It is just a fact and yet they won't believe it and here's the big deficit I do see with self-driving cars and I think that Who knows this may have played a part in it. I don't know but Self-driving cars cannot telegraph their their intention So when you're driving like if somebody is standing in a corner or even if some another cars at the other corner You guys will look at each other and and basically exchange nonverbal information about who's gonna go first or whether or not you're going That doesn't happen with a self-driving car. Yes, it has blinkers and all that but beyond that It doesn't say like I see you there's nothing like that. So I don't know what happened here, but One of the things that we've noticed is that Authorities have not called a press conference to get ahead of this So there's a lot of misinformation a lot of confusion a lot of questions And I think because they wouldn't normally do that in a vehicular Accident where somebody dies because this happens so frequently with cars and people sadly But in this situation which is completely unique right now That is exactly what is needed because you know that the amount of information that has to be collected here You know, they have to collect the information from the car They have to get any of the street cam information they have to get eyewitnesses They have to put all of that together with the technology They get the information they get from the car to get a complete picture Oh, and also what was the person doing in the car the safety driver whether or not they even saw what was happening so So much that is unknown I just really hope that people don't get turned off from self-driving cars because of this because I Will predict that it is very likely not the fault of technology here And I'm not saying it's a fault of the person who was killed, but there may have been other factors at play So it's just it's it's it is a first, but everybody probably should take one step back and wait You know the fact that you mentioned, you know whether or not the you know person was in a crosswalk and and you know How can an autonomous vehicle decide, you know, what's right and wrong to do in that situation really hits nail in the head For me as to how people will deal with something like this the fact that humans kill other humans, you know Incorrelated accidents all the time is a fact that you know, nobody can dispute But if you can if you can say something along the lines of like well If somebody was operating outside of where they were supposed to be walking Car got confused cars not trying to be polite because cars don't do things like that Where does that leave us as far as the decision-making of autonomous vehicles? Yeah, there's just a lot that we don't know as Lance Lance very well well put There were pictures of a bicycle being involved that has not been officially confirmed in any way Elaine Hertzberg was not on a bicycle That was misreported earlier But this may be a more complex situation She might have run from the side where the car couldn't see her she might not have there might have been a malfunction in the car But the fact is like you said Lance, we don't know I would say what we do know is one incident like this does not disprove the safety of autonomous vehicles But they should get to the bottom of why this happened Could you imagine if like after an auto accident to which there was a fatality with humans that all cars were pulled off the road temporarily until they figured it out? I mean, it's really amazing what's happening here because they're they may and I give Google credit for doing that It is an abundance of caution, but you know airplanes and airplane crash Airplanes are still flying all the time. Uh, it's it's you know, so we're it's such new territory You can see how carefully everyone is taking this in but I'm actually I am very curious because I don't know entirely Um, the technology inside the uber self-driving cars. I've never been in one. I don't know if any, you know an uber that self drives I don't know if any of you have no, I haven't yeah Uh, and and I'm sure the ntsb is is going to produce a full report similar to what they did with tesla Uh, the only other known fatality involving autonomous driving, but that was someone misusing a system It was determined at the end and and this is not uh, whether their Pedestrian was following reels of the road is like we said yet to be determined. So More question marks than anything right now Bloomberg's mark gurman reports his sources say apple is designing and producing its own displays for testing purposes in a facility in Santa Clara, california It's really close to apples at campus apples supposedly experimenting with micro led screens These are slimmer and more power efficient than oled the technology is about three to five years away from being used in phones So the idea would be if they did launch it they'd launch it on the apple watch apple trying to get ahead of samsung in samsung's own field here display tech or lg's Good for them Good for them. This is what apple does apple apple loves control You know, how many times do they get bespoke technology from their partners? I'll always talk to i'll be like what uh, so you got this chip from who and well It's not the same as the chip that they have, you know, we walk in and we tell them exactly what we want and how we want it done So even when they get like a display from lg or samsung, they're always having them tweak it and yeah, they're uh I'm always excited when apples point money into r&d Hgc is open pre-orders for the new vive pro of 1400 by 1600 pixels per eye headset For $799 shipping april 5th the vive pro will not include the lighthouse tracking beacons that come with the original vive However, users can use the sensors. They may already have or buy them separately The original hgc vive has been reduced by 100 to 499 dollars Yeah, so this is definitely being marketed towards people who jumped in on the vive and already have the trackers To say like hey, uh, we'll get you a much higher resolution one at the same price as you paid for the full kit Uh, I don't great headset a lot of fun. Yeah, uh, and and I think that vive You know, it's pretty close and nobody's really dominating the market But vive by all accounts seems to be one of the favorites Of these headsets it's it seems a little bit more popular than the rift from what I can tell At south by southwest at the trade show. I saw almost almost exclusively hgc Vive headsets for demos on the trade show floor interesting Uh, so so the favorite of the developers as well 499 dollars for the original vive still expensive though for most people when you're looking at You know, you can get a playstation view headset granted you have to have a playstation But that's going to be 399 the rift is cheaper than that too. So It's uh, it's it's an interesting development and and certainly it's Something I've been waiting for is to see the advancement in the specs of these things. That's the sign of a maturing market. So Google is extending its instant apps program to games letting users play a level or two before installing the game Try before you buy or even try before you download clash royale final fantasy 15 a new empire or panda pop Are among the games using the feature games that support instance will have a try now button in the google play store listing The google play games app is also going to add an arcade tab Collecting all the instant games available in one place. The project is enclosed beta But we'll open up to more developers later this year. So it won't be a lot of them available yet But you'll see more as the year goes on, you know when I first heard the story I was sort of like are people really like just like trying a little game here and there as You know as much as it sounds like but I was just having a conversation with a friend last night where you know He was watching me sort of click around and you know in my media server and was like Is this how you find game or fine shows you just like watch a you know The first episode of a series and you know, maybe keep at it and maybe not and I was like Actually, yeah, that's exactly what I do. So do you guys do the same thing with games? No, I just download them, you know be 99 percent of them seem to be free even when they say in that purchases I'm usually playing and then if I like it enough I go to that next level where I'm buying like some sort of pack or something most of the time I don't but What I wish they would do in this situation if they have tried before you buy is that if you kind of decide You don't that at the end of the trial it goes remove me Yes, because then it would clean up my phone as opposed to having all this garbage that I'm sorry I I downloaded and I keep forgetting to delete Yeah, and that's what's nice about the instant is you don't have to wait for the download It starts right away. Hence the name instant And you don't have to clean it up if you don't like it If you do like it then you can go ahead and download the rest and install it some of these apps Even are small enough some of these games are small enough that you can even get the whole game In instant mode without having to save it. So yeah, it's a different kind of player though. That's for sure You're playing in the cloud if you do that No, you could it's it's caching it locally. But yeah, uh, I it's not sticking around it gets rid of it later Well, as we mentioned, we will get into A whole other side of facebook in just a couple of minutes But facebook's creator app which launched in november on ios is coming to android And it's also launching a closed beta to test features Like a leaderboard for a creator's most engaged fans and a version of its rights manager tool for flagging unauthorized copies of their videos if they find something like that Starting next month facebook will also test a monthly subscription mode for four dollars 99 cents with 10 creators in the u.s In the uk the company says it won't take a cut at least at first So creators will get three dollars 50 cents per month because the app stores Will take their 30 percent. That's the ios app store on google play Yeah, I this is this is interesting as as facebook tries to come up with a way to give creators money to stick around Where for all the complaints about youtube, they have a very simple model with the monetization in the ads Yeah, and youtube is is winning i mean facebook Facebook tries to who's talking about facebook watch, you know, it's like youtube without any people in the audience You know, it's like it's just it's difficult for facebook to attract the same kind of audience I was just watching some kid talk about making money through twitch and youtube $500,000 a month and basically people watch and play games video games and you know Getting that community of creators and and content providers on facebook that isn't sponsored by facebook where they're generating shows And they're all just seems to be really difficult. So I think it's a smart play But the terms better be really good And and also facebook launching the ability to stream right from games Offering the game developers that they've been testing around with blizzard So you might see more people decide to use facebook instead of twitch Another way in which they're they're going up against twitch not not just youtube Well, and also I know it's a beta program But like five dollars a month like do you want to you know Somebody wanted to you know be part of the dts community You know to not have any option besides that that one number Facebook is trying to figure out if that's too high too low It's similar to the twitch uh the twitch subscription level that they they bring in At if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines available on the amazon echo google play Uh on the anchor app and of course as a podcast at daily tech headlines All right a lot of fear and certainty of doubt around this cambridge analytic a facebook story So i'm going to go through what we know has happened And talk a little bit all amongst all three of us about why people are so angry and what we think is really going on cambridge university professor alexander krogan Started a company called global science research and created an app called this is your digital life no spaces It was a personality test quote unquote This was started in 2015 and properly requested access for information Got about 270 000 users information Some of those however were hired through mechanical turk to boost the users The thing that's causing a lot of controversy is that at the time facebook allowed you to Hand over some of your friends information So some amount of data on around 50 million users was involved the app would collect info such as the city you were in According to your profile content you had liked and then more limited information about your friends Who had their privacy settings set to allow it now on april 30th 2015 Facebook shut down the friends data api That's the one that let you share your friends data if the friends had a privacy setting that allowed it So this is where a lot of people are getting very upset and very confused in 2015 When this app from cambridge university professor krogan was uh was operating Facebook allowed you to have a privacy setting that allowed your friends to share a limited information A bit of information about you april 30th 2015 facebook shut that down So this was permitted by facebook when it happened it is no longer permitted now Kogan passed the information to a third party that Violated the terms of service then that's what they did that was wrong. He passed it to scl Uh a company which cambridge analytica is the data analytics arm of They also passed it to christopher wiley who was working at a firm known as yunoya technologies Both those handing it over to third parties violated the terms of service the terms said you can collect this With your personality test, but you can't give it to anybody else. You can't sell it to anybody else That violated the terms of service now facebook learned of that violation in 2015 Removed the app and asked kogan and the scl to certify that they had destroyed the data kogan and the scl And yunoya certified that they in fact had destroyed the data They hadn't on march 30th last year The intercepts matias schwarz reported that kogan's gsr had taken this data from its app and given it to scl Facebook is reported in this story back in march of last year as believing the data had been destroyed So this is not a new story. What's new Is that facebook found out last week that it had not been destroyed? On friday facebook announced it had suspended the accounts of strategic communication laboratories cambridge analytica kogan and wiley because of that violation And then of course we found out probably how they found out it had not been destroyed because on saturday The observer which is part of the guardian and the new york times Published stories based on whistle plowing by christopher wiley now wiley claims He was working with facebook on this and then they turned around and suspended him and he's very angry with them Uh cambridge analytica says it now has deleted all the data It blames global science research saying they never told us this was illegal Ann has agreed to let straws friedberg a forensics firm that has been hired by facebook to conduct a comprehensive audit of cambridge analytica to make sure the data is gone Now that's what happened because complicated as that is is firms violated the terms of service There was no data breach. So there's some argument Maybe this violates the spirit of the ftc terms prohibiting facebook from not Announcing breaches, but it wasn't a hack in Uh facebook thought they had taken care of it. They had certified letters that it was deleted But they didn't follow up And so now we have them suspending things and now we have people very angry with facebook And of course one of the main reasons that the fire is fueled on this is that cambridge analytica provided data To add firm giles parscale to target aids ads for the 2016 trump election campaign Steve bannon is a former vice president of cambridge analytica. Of course bannon former campaign chief Uh for for president trump So there are a lot of people jumping to the conclusion and a lot of people saying no It's not just jumping to the conclusion. It actually happened that this data was used in the campaign Now wiley believes the data wasn't necessarily directly used in the 2016 campaign But that the data they got from facebook was used to create a method For sorting people based on facebook profiles and that method that model Was then applied to the campaign. So the data may not have directly been used But it was used to develop a model Okay That's what we know Lance, what do you think? Wow, well, like you said, this is not a news story When hillary clinton clinton was speaking at the recode conference in i think it was june of 2017 She specifically talked about how uh the operation uh the that cambridge analytica That the trump organization was using how they were literally harvesting Uh facebook inflation that was the term she used and that was obviously based on the earlier story. So it's not news Um, I just I guess what I go back to and what I often go back to here is that and I think you've put it so clearly that You know facebook didn't break any rules. Uh, you know, it wasn't breached Uh, it's clear that's you know, this company did make the miss, you know A very egregious mistake of handing over data to a third party, which every anytime you ever read terms of service That's always the thing they promise you is never going to happen But I have to remind people that a lot of times a lot of this is in their control So many people do not look at their facebook settings Do not look at the third party apps that they've invited into their world on facebook Do not look at the data that they are actively Sharing they have given away their data because they're saying for this app Yes, sure because they just want to start using these things And so they don't really check what they're reading and it often says that we can use your data to do this So we can pull this data here So the fact that this worked in such a powerful way that it went from, you know, a few hundred thousand people to 50 million people means that all of those connections people were basically leaving themselves wide open It is a wake up call for facebook users about Their lives on this social platform. I know a lot of people have said I was reading twitter today and people like that's it. I'm done with facebook I would say I'm done with letting people just take my data You know, I I do feel like there's that throw the baby out with the bath water thing here But you know, it's also a super complicated thing. I get it. It's very confusing It's overwhelming to even try and understand who's at fault here Facebook definitely didn't do they do diligence to follow up to make sure that people have deleted the data When they said they were going to I think it's hysterical That cambridge analytics said come on in and check us out at us now The horse left the barn people. He's not there. The data horse is gone We mean at this time because because the data is so old it isn't valuable to us anymore. So yeah, of course Yeah, everything's done. The election is over. Um, you know And by the way, if you read anything about the the guy you read the social the digital side of trump's campaign And he talked extensively of how they could they could slice and dice people psychographically on facebook Where do you think that all came from it all came directly from this stuff? That was very powerful for targeting and for amplifying the way people felt about things So they would feel more strongly in the direction of voting for trump because that was the organization that they built That was the plan that they built This is going to be for the next few months. If not longer one of the biggest tech stories of the year and facebook All I can say is to mark zuckerberg and charles sandberg get your mops start to clean up now You got a lot of work ahead of you. Yeah, again. They're used to cleaning up I mean, I I don't believe that this 270 000 user data set in the 50 million that it has limited access to Uh, was that usable if they were paying mechanical turks to get this stuff I buy that it was used to make a model. It would definitely be the kind of data you could use to make a model I don't think this data in particular was the one that was used in the campaign Uh, it's up for debate how useful what they had in the campaign was and whether their their claims are as as valid as they were But that's a separate issue. I don't think it bears on this Sarah How do you feel about all this? I mean, even if Facebook was not required by their ftc agreement to announce this Because it wasn't an actual data breach Shouldn't they be shouldn't they be required to let users know about something like this? Shouldn't facebook be required to let users know? Like hey, uh, somebody took a bunch of your data against our terms of service We've told them to delete it, but you should know Um, I sure and I also think that how would you disseminate that information? Maybe, you know when facebook sends out it's yearly, you know, yula has been updated that no one reads I you know, I I sure yes. I think that that should have happened. Um, I also think that There's no great way to explain what exactly happened We've been trying to explain it for the last 10 minutes. And I mean, it's a new story, right? So, uh It's not face to me on the surface, you know, when I first read it I was like, okay, well somebody violated their terms of service and Lied to facebook about what they were doing and that's really bad and that shouldn't happen again And facebook now Has the tools to you know, not let it happen again But i'm not totally sure how they would have let the rest of us know In the life couple of years just in in 2015 they send a note To all 50 million users that were affected you read that hey, you know what there Here it is that would have been picked up by people and the intercept would have included that in their story last year I don't know that it would it would have poured cold water on this story Because what's got people so upset about this story is the fact that it involves that election and that election Is the most divisive thing in the united states right now So anything that even touches near it is is a is a live wire It's also by the way, not the same kind of data as you would have found in the aquifax breach or even target or any Those it's it's not credit card data. It's it's not even usually your home address It's it's it's psychographic kind of data. It's it's it's sentiment data. It's very it's it's it's kind of in a way it'll feel more personal but as As a utility for other hackers or people who want to take your identity. It's not that useful Well, I want to thank everybody who participates in our subreddit submit stories on daily tech news show dot reddit dot com discusses things in facebook dot com groups slash daily tech news show Because you you guys help us figure out what's important and what's not and we rely on that and our emails and our slack and our patreon group Uh, and thankfully we also get great emails to help kind of be a palette cleanser for this whole story. Sarah Yes, something completely different. Uh, we got an email from uh, uh, our bosses chip nade and emma They live in boston. 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You followed the you followed the lights I saw the lights. I was following up. Yep. Yep. I did my best. I did my best All right, so uh, thanks guys. We picked the title. Oh, that was really great. Thanks for being here Yeah, we're gonna hang out on the stream for a few minutes pick the title and and chat But you don't you know leave whenever you need to leave. I know you're a busy guy and you got weather to deal with and all kinds of stuff Yeah, thanks again for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah, it was great having me. No, thank you for being odd I know it's hard to to wiggle into your schedule. No problem and hopefully we'll do it again Yeah, we'll do it again soon. All right. I'm gonna go dig out. Once it starts snowing. Bye. All right. Good luck. Stay warm by lance That was a great show very very Enjoyed it. Yeah, we uh, we packed it in We did we covered everything I wanted to cover and it was good It's like a buffet. That's always good. Yeah totally Yeah, I usually on a topic like this after the show I'd be thinking. Oh, yeah There was the one thing I wanted to cover and we'll talk about in the post But I feel like we we got you touched on pretty much all of it and I think what was so great Is you managed to move From each topic without having because I mean they're they're really big topics But I think you did a really good job of controlling Of not letting it like just kind of go off too far. Yeah. Yeah Well, I feel like our titles should have to do with facebook probably I don't want uber. I guess those are both those are I think it's probably one or the other. Yeah, I They're both so like They're both they're the two companies where I'm like when will be the day when that's not the top story You know but um For our purposes today, it's facebook get the mops is not bad even though I know it's Facebook would share you isn't caring I like that one too. This one this might kind of might kind of be kind of macabre. Is that an uber accident? male Yeah, I don't it works on a literal level as a as an accidental pun. I'm right Hmm. I sort of like in in my mind. I'm like, what would the family Of the woman, you know the pedestrian who died think would be a great title You know, it's relevant, but like they would think facebook. That's what I think. Yeah No, yeah, you might be right, especially because the uber story is fresh Yeah, you know, and I'd hate to have it change in a couple of hours That's a really good point friends like these Get it. I don't get it. I don't get the these Oh, it's who needs enemies Yeah, like friends like these who's needs enemies, but yeah facebook friends like these Because they're you know, even if they don't realize that they're volunteering parts of your uh, uh profile data Well Which uh facebook was sharing isn't caring Well, I'm partial to facebook get the mops. That's good. Put that with it. I like Sarah you're cool Would get the mops. Sure I might do colon instead of dash just You know be exciting add a little flair No, it's kind of makes more sense. Um Um Yeah, I think that's the best one. Yeah, I just feel like there's a lot of ways to go wrong naming it after the uber story Yeah, and when we have the option not to Yeah, I'm gonna take it Get the mops. I mean you could say that about facebook any day. It's true actually so it's a very relevant and Evergreen store or a headline when it really comes down to it again Uh, roger. Is it okay if I take over the post? Yes Facebook we have the mops That's rb's reference You want spongy roast beef rb's is where you go I'll probably get some survey green email from them Will you? Um about arby's No, because I said the roast beef is spongy Oh, I've never eaten arby's. I've never been inside. Never ever. Wow Well, I know where we're having our next team meeting. I mean, I'm down for it. I just don't They have these I'm like, I've never been to a curls junior. I don't even know where they are Okay, that surprises me even more than arby's arby's I could see but carls jr. That's I don't know. Maybe it's just because eileen is such a huge fan of carls jr. I'm not not one I just don't know where they are. I don't know what they have I liked it more when I was a kid than I do as an adult Let me put it this way eileen got back from seattle Uh last friday thursday thursday I had already eaten and she's like, you know, I'm really tired But I'm just going to drive to carls jr. Like that was what she wanted. That's her treat to herself I mean, I want to know what she ordered so that you know, usually she gets a bacon western cheeseburger. That's That's her go-to. Okay. So this is why I thought about the carls jr. Carls jr. When you guys started talking about arby's is because There's a very obnoxious radio commercial right now. I don't know if it's regional to la or if it's all over the place But it's like a guy being like bacon cheeseburger from carls jr. And it's It's maybe the most offensive radio ad I've ever heard Is it? Okay, because there's a tv ad that has sounds similar that has um Crap dazed and confused it's not offensive because they say offensive things. It's just uh, uh chanum tating No, not chanum tating chanum Chanum, no, I don't know. I never get that name right chanum tating. No, not him. Chanium tatum. That's his name Dazed and confused magic mic. Oh, you're thinking of uh the guy who says all right. All right. Uh, yes Matthew McConaughey Matthew McConaughey is in the tv version of that Oh, no, the radio one is definitely not Matthew McConaughey singing. It's just some guy Matthew McConaughey not in magic mic. Maybe that's why Yeah, that's chanum tatum. That's chanum tatum. That's why you said chanum tatum. Okay. No, but I think he no I think he's in uh magic mic um xxl Matthew McConaughey is He's actually in the movie franchise We're really upsetting that one person in the audience who loves the magic mic franchise. They're like, how can you not know this? um Two very good friends of mine are like every time i'm like pretty much the worst movies i've ever seen they're like We're not friends anymore Yeah, no, he's yeah Matthew McConaughey is in magic mic, but chanum tatum is also so yeah Well, anyway, the curls junior commercial is not helping me ever figure out if they have a good bacon cheeseburger or not That's all i'm saying. I just find it weird that That's a carl's junior voiceover I was arguing well not arguing but when we first heard it eileen's like that's Matthew McConaughey I'm like really you think you'd do a carls junior commercial Maybe it's just like a sound alike It was him on the audio one now. I'm not sure uh But it's really just Oh Maybe he just likes bacon Jingle radio. How do I even search for this carls junior jingle radio? la It's kind of annoying. I don't know why like I used to like him and then he got overexposed. I just he bugs me Hmm Like his his whole shtick is always seems like that guy. What's his name from uh days of confused? Yeah, back and like I get it. That's who he is But that was a long time ago. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that's like that like a rat a rat thing. You're like, okay, that's served you well, but He still does it though. Really your persona. We're keeping with that All I see is this no, this is not a good I had to re-export I screwed it up. At least I caught it though I did the thing that causes the the file to get shortened. What about Matthew McConaughey? Oh, no in the chat room. They're, uh Oh god They're talking about the Matthew McConaughey Lincoln ads Well, that's different. Those are crazy in their own way And then uh, Sean mentioned in the chat room that Jim Carrey's version of that. Oh, yeah No, this is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a straight-up song Like a curls junior radio song They do make one funny reference of the snl parody of the Matthew McConaughey Lincoln car ads is uh It's like Lincoln is just kind of synonymous with uber for for some reason. You know what I mean? It's just like a car livery That's in new york more so than elsewhere I thought that was odd when I saw it then I went to new york and I realized oh A lot of the uber this is it ubers in new york are lincoln's Okay, this is not Matthew McConaughey. This is just their awful commercial. I won't play it probably shouldn't but Wait, oh no, it is him. It is him So it's different, but it's still him Okay, I'm gonna wait. I like how you're clutching your virtual pearls That's nuts I Heat that commercial. I will never watch another Matthew McConaughey movie again Wow, you heard it here first people I need to hear the next McConaughey movie and reduce the domestic gross by one. I hate it Oh, speaking of you gotta we gotta uh More but I gotta get our uh, we gotta get our movie draft strategy together. Yeah, we do Um, I'll tell you what I'm not gonna put a lot of money on what Matthew McConaughey No mama me a part two Here we go again. They made a second one. Yeah They sure did roger. Here's the key to winning the movie draft Uh, I know see my emotions always get the better of me and I know it's it's don't not buy Don't overpay Like it's easy to get caught and they're like, oh, I want that movie because it'll be Even if you're thinking big gross, right? Yeah, it's like mom. I'll take mama mia at four dollars Because it'll because that'll you know, that'll be worth it Um, and you don't want to leave money on the table. So I've got a spreadsheet That's really good at identifying how much you should pay It's all about the draft strategy and making sure that you don't end up at the end With you know with money and that you didn't 15 dollars you didn't spend and I'm really bad at that Well, I am too. Oh good. Yay Well, because I I'm always worried that that will happen So I just overpay for something halfway through and then I'm just like Well, the spreadsheet can help us with that because it'll put a max on it and be like do not bid more than this Okay, uh, then it's a matter of like just keeping an eye on what's available and who's bidding for what and yeah Yeah But that that spreadsheet really helps I can't believe he sings that song The what's the song is it called like lickety split topping and like I don't know. It's the carls jr. Jingle. That's on the radio every five seconds It's really Wait, does it sound like this? I just played it rudger. Oh, we could hear it. I could hear it. Let me play it again No, we can't we can't hear it when you play it. Oh ever Oh Well, so all the times that something auto plays on one of the new stories that I open and I freak out I haven't actually heard it. Yeah. Yeah Oh, well, that's a relief. Yeah, exactly. You guys are just being nice to me. You can just drop the leak of this like Well, yeah, but They're just been you know, where I'm like trying to like find information where I'm like ruining the show But everyone's still going Okay. No, it's because we're just consummate professionals. That's right No, because the hangout only takes your mic Uh, well good Good to know I will drop it in slack. Um, and Hope you enjoy this Wait, no, this is mama mia The only reason I ever ate a carls jr. Just because they put on your drinks and their burgers They have a couple of burger here you can feel why is to eat at hearties when I was a kid before it was part of carls jr It's now part of carls jr. So I don't know if that counts But otherwise I never ate at a carls jr. Until I came out here I'll see you guys don't hear that either. Nope. Nope Wow There's so many sounds that go off in the studio and I just been thinking like I'm so sorry No, they're just being really nice and not saying anything. Would you say that eileen prefers carls jr over in and out? Yes, I think so That's a tough one though. She's a big in and out fan. I don't think she thinks they're the same type of burger you know In and out's more like Super fast. She's a big in and out fan though I think if she had to choose though, she'd she'd pick carls jr Well, now I gotta give it a try. Foster's freeze, but they just closed the one out here Yeah, they're right. They closed the one over by us about a year ago Oh, I used to love Foster's freeze as a kid I mean, I don't like their burgers, but I like the fact that they would give you two corn dogs for two bucks Uh gross Corn dogs corn dogs are awesome. No bagel dogs are awesome corn dogs are The second tier dog Damning words today on the dts post show How about corn dogs? Corn dog stocks have dropped precipitously Like are you just eating like the ones you get like for the freezer? All corn dogs are awful a bagel dog is where it's at not all corn dogs the mustard and the ketchup together And so there's one dip That's how you eat a bagel dog corn dogs are you know That's you eat that at a county fair when you're so hungry. You have to eat something I thought that was the funnel cake Yeah, that that's one too Whatever's close funnel cakes always seem like a good idea Fuddle cakes don't have protein though. So if you're like really need the meat, then you go corn dog We have the mops So are you standing by corn dogs suck? Sarah correct always Tom I hate dogs. Yeah, you're today. Uh, corn dogs. Yeah, okay I like corn dogs. So there you have it folks. See you tomorrow. Goodbye