 Okay, good morning. Good afternoon everybody. Welcome to today's edition of the Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach SIG meeting We have the agenda link in the chat or in Gitter if you're following along there So I'll share that in a minute Hello to our attendees and just going to record you in the doc Sorry, I didn't catch that, Oleg Perfect. Thank you. Okay So just start by reviewing actions from last meeting And both of these we have Depending with Alyssa and Skyler who can't make this meeting just times and I'm gonna copy those and punt them over to The next meeting which is West Coast US friendly I am not you're correct, let's do Okay, can you see my screen now? Okay, great. Thanks for the heads up. Okay, so I'll just punt those actions to there and And Think we had This one as well, which is still pending which is also going to be kicked down the road So which I'll get to them one day Okay so moving on to new agenda items and the first thing we have up is What do we do with the Jenkins governance meeting and we mentioned in the chat Slightly out of scope, but it's worth having a discussion about this with a few of the kind of interested Jenkins folks So I'll let Oleg lead with that one. So Oleg floor is yours Yeah, so maybe the question is too broad Actually, what I wanted to discuss is concerned that the Jenkins governance meeting and governance process is pretty important for the community health They join the project and see that well actually governance is not working. It's quite bad and Unfortunately, I have to say that currently governance meeting process is not working because yeah over the past two months My meetings have been cancelled because they were no show sub Jenkins governance board is generally responsible to run these meetings Me and Daniel Beck also have technicians to do so, but it basically makes no sense if there are only a few people joining the call Well the chat so my overall concern that probably we need to reconsider the approach because right now the meeting is not working. So Yeah, from the special interest group perspective, I would rather suggest that we See what we could do instead and whether we need this meeting at all And yeah, I wanted to just discuss it here and then come up with a suggestion in the developer minute Okay, so what do you feel are kind of the key things that should happen in the governance meeting like what is the main purpose Just from your perspective. Yeah, so yeah, usually Yeah, currently governance meeting has a few main parts. Just these LCS status check So integration of fixes and backporting coordination of LCS reduces second part is about Whatever decision-making for example trademark approvals budget approvals and other such thing and the third part is updates from special interest group subprojects, etc So we had three parts in this meeting Some parts could be obviously done a synchronously for example secret ports updates So they could be just distributed over the mailing list. It's not a big deal LCS status check. It basically depends on Availability of LCS officer So currently it's Oliver, but he wasn't also not available for the last couple of meetings But yeah, so I think that basically we could do all the things as in chronologically except decision-making and decision-making process probably under the CDF umbrella now But yeah, I'm not sure what's the plan for governance going forward. Yeah, I think There is So there's been talk. There is a need with the new structure of CDF to have a group and For typical other Linux foundations that they call them the technical steering committee for example And that would be kind of the liaison to the other bodies within CDF and to the developers and to be You know both communicating and making the decisions, especially in the Second one bullet point there. So the trademark and budget approval. So that's something I think we it's worth setting up our Almost kind of re-approaching from fresh about, you know, how do we do that? So definitely something to consider and Maybe can any thoughts from the other folks on the call? What's your perspective on it and what do you think it needs or should do? I I personally don't have an opinion. I wasn't involved in that. I can't really say much Yes So your decision-making process you would need to rework many things in Jenkins if you want to do so. I think Not sure that trademark approvals or budget approvals are really a part of technical steering committee Yeah Probably steering committee is a better word rather than just purely technical. Yeah, maybe I'll just Yes And when something like sick reports and updates, but those fit well in this group Like could we bridge? Capturing like I don't see many published summaries of these are the cool things we're doing in each group So you sort of have to go find the videos or go be part of the group But we don't necessarily broadcast or share kind of the activities in a summarized highlights way Yeah, so we used to do it the governance meetings sometimes but yeah basically nothing prevents us from doing it in the Many please just say you can summer it to the death list or to the user list and that's it We did a couple of times for projects like Jeff 200 Java 11 and status reports overall for the projects Yeah, it's probably something we could do again So we have for this part. I'm not really concerned Okay, just gonna say quick hello to Kara. Thanks for joining us Like Marky and Rick here. We are recording the video and we've got minutes in the chat I'm gonna bring up the document as well Okay Yeah, I think for this one, I don't know what the best way to proceed is but it's something I think I can take an action to just Try to have some conversations with folks and just see what the general feeling is in terms of Certainly for the decision making that's I'm happy to proceed with that LTS status check Not too sure Because yeah, for example, now we have a problem because Kiki has infrastructure issues and basically we cannot release LTS in time Well life happens But yeah, the problem that you need to have Governance meeting where we can sync up on the status. So Many increased for that and But how it used to happen is discussion at the governor's meeting so that we were able to join and agree with our next steps Okay Yeah, I'll take an action just for the second part just to just to look into a proposal Around kind of a steering committee and punt that to the mailing list and see what people think Something they they are aware of and they they're working to solve so just Capturing where they are with are with it Okay, I'm gonna propose any last comments thoughts on that topic otherwise I'm gonna propose we move on Okay, so next topic is Community bridge for Jenkins Which is follow up on Google some of code and Google season of docs So Oleg do you want to tell us what this is all about and what we think we can do with it Okay, so if you don't mind I could just share screen for well because okay, no might be easier to just Show it. Go ahead Okay, do you see my screen? Yeah, I need to Okay, yeah community bridge The story behind it at this year we were applying to Google season of dogs You want to accept it for some reasons you discuss them the dogs. See you also had a lot of G so project applications and this year you are unable to accept all of them You have seven projects, but yeah, we could have had more There was a discussion whether we put somehow this projects running and This discussion happened several meetings ago with Tracy and she made a proposal to actually consider Community bridge for so community bridge is a new portal created by Linux Foundation in order to just provide a venue where Potential mentors potential mentors can join Express projects etc Yeah, the site is here So, yeah, Tracy Just those I do with people something like JSOC as a service or something like that. Oh Yeah, you pretty much what it is. So each project kind of have an account there Basically have project ideas on the site. So for example, I created a stopper project idea for Jenkins What did you have to do to create that was it? Did you have to make an application or just go ahead? Yeah, you had to make an application I had to go through the review process, but it was pretty quick. So maybe in 24 hours the application will go approved Great. So yeah, I have an account Animation yeah, I have one project Yeah, what do we have on this? Project gates just stop basically so we can have a number of potential mentors we can have Students applying and which project has a timeline where So mentis apply and then the application gets reviewed So what's not displayed here on the dashboard? Yeah, basically there are some to them cannot to do I mean crowdfunding and other such things. I haven't explored it in detail, but yeah, but there are some Potential on this side, but if I understand correctly the set is still under active development because you're able to some sections So they do seem to be fully come to it But yeah, the site is there and there is actually a number of projects which have been already posted. So, yeah So this is about mentors. Yeah, so yeah, there is a bunch of projects which already have accounts there So some projects just get a stop something like for example Process or crowdfunding. So like my stuff for Jenkins. We have one project is And I'm both mentors and yeah, basically a home over one certain just come and make a proposal Some organizations approach differently. For example here, I believe that they basically have multiple project ideas so they put Project idea or project or to be directly to the subject and manage it separately So, right. So in that case a project is a specific Piece of work that someone might work on. Yeah, so yeah, there are buttons like we don't need to whatever Yeah, there are also some diversity programs driven by community bridge. So there was an announcement that for just 120 is Next foundation will double donation And yeah, such other things, but you basically it's a platform where we can post projects Where we can get some follow-ups where we can also terms, etc. Basically the applications and get them accepted We won't be limited by JSOC timelines by JSOC limitations because JSOC has its own limitations So for example on the academia students, etc And yeah, they make good use it in order to get some projects in the program. We should be able to accept Great. So can we tell is that time? Is there like a fixed timescale when people sync up or is it completely up to each project to define? Yeah, it's completely up to each project and on the project I mean the project I do in JSOC terms So for example, we can have 20 projects each of them has a different timeline Yeah Yeah, so here Yeah, this is basically a program setup. So it's multiple projects. You can contribute as we wish Here there are three default timelines, but we can have a custom one if you want Okay, so this is a general spring For example, if we decided to do whatever hardfares or whatever you could do that Yeah, I mean you can add some details for some requirements selection process if you want Then somebody just follows the application and applies to the project and hopefully we get a follow-up Now kiss we have some potential mental space because you have dozens of JSOC students hoplite You have JSOC students. We also have other people who will continue to seek for mentorship in the organization So we could just facilitate It and have a portal where we post such project ideas Okay Yeah, that looks good. So do you have any feeling for what our next steps should be? Well, what would we be interested to we have two projects which we could consider one is about Documentation or maybe couple of projects documentation from our local season of dogs because we have mentor teams We have project ideas. So we could just post them and we also we have a party interested contributors who could be Mentors and We also have similar discussion platform special interest group for one accepted project. Yeah, it's in the agenda by the way So there is an application Which we wanted to discuss and there is a student who is interested to continue So we could also use sorry, what is the proposal? So what is the summary of the project? It was quite long and this is a project from my career in those services is younger configurations So we got a decent application there Basically the only reason why we were unable to accept that it's number of slots and mentor capacity and yet If you have an opportunity to run a program outside the JSOC time frame, we could do that So, yeah, okay, so do but would we have mentors for that or is that something we'd have to recruit? We would That's the thing because thanks to JSOC JSOC. We already have established teams. Yeah We could use this base model to run the program. Yeah, there are some open questions about that. For example Regarding payments, so Community which doesn't require you to make payments So but yeah, some Programs do so. So it's topic which could be discussed Yeah, if you're having internships, they should be paid Yeah, right for payments. There is one significant issue for this because if you want to do payments Yeah, we have Jenkins project budget now But yeah, there is an opportunity to crowdfund some projects which Could be interesting But in order to do crowdfunding that there is a strict requirement that projects within 90 days apply to core infrastructure initiative So core infrastructure initiative is a program being by Linux Foundation about security So what it includes? Yeah, basically, this is a bridge program. So It's a many open source projects already to participate in that But yeah, there is a number. There is a pretty long list of requirements which Open source projects need to comply with in order to be a part of this program But yeah, firstly, if we give Jenkins project visibility, then Linux Foundation is a big thing Since we are part of CDF, it may be interesting for us to participate in the Jenkins project But it needs a lot of discussions with Jenkins security team because Yeah, even though Jenkins has established security process, obviously we need to ensure that we actually comply with all the requirements for that Okay, yeah, sorry if I just slow slow that down. So if I hear you correctly So with Community Bridge, we could crowd source funding for each project However, there's a potential blocking requirement where within 90 days we would have to be Compliant to this core infrastructure initiative, which has a Focus on security and so we'd have to meet a bunch of security requirements. Is that correct? Yeah, right core infrastructure is mostly about security But yeah Well, it may be beneficial for the project. It may be different Yeah, it may be beneficial for Linux Foundation because a lot of Linux Foundation projects use Jenkins So great if there is a lot of synergy opportunities there But it would require some time investment from security team Okay, and so what are the options for funding as well? Just generally would that be potentially getting it from other donations corporate donations or So we can do corporate donation, so I Didn't spend much time on this topic, but it doesn't look that there are any restrictions as a part of Community Bridge Okay, so a company wanted to sponsor a project on a specific area perhaps. Yeah, so There are even pages for that for companies So some companies Already present there and they do funding for projects Yeah But yeah, it's nice to have them on the list and obviously Get some Jenkins sponsors here as well on the list And yeah, it could be done Another source funding forces just Jenkins project budget though. I'm not sure what's it's great now because I guess we are transitioning from this to CDF And it is a cost to budget, but we definitely have some money in our coffers And we need to afford to fund the outreach So yeah, mine might be also possible to do some sponsorships as a part of Community Bridge Yeah, and do you have any indication whether we'd be eligible for the matching funding? You mentioned that there was Linux Foundation had a We're gonna match for a first number of mentees mentors projects Yes, sounds kind of bit strange and it's back Yeah, so basically it's here Okay Island on the same page that was just a block post about diversity programs Okay, that's fine, we can just just curious if we can look in I can look into that offline So you can start from For Okay, I understand that it might be important for us Okay Yeah, I'm gonna shut up and ask if there's any questions comments from anyone else on the call about Community Bridge So Mark is not on the call because yeah, I wanted to discuss Running a couple of test projects for the presentation. Yeah But yeah, I think that I will take it offline and discuss it tomorrow at the communication sick meeting Yeah, so it seems Yeah, really good structure something we can pursue and certainly to build up for for kind of a long-term option So funding and the core infrastructure initiative Seem to be kind of then the next steps of things to investigate and see whether where we can stand with on those So this right now you signed up Jenkins to this Grinch project, but are we interested in signing up Jenkins X as well? It's something we could discuss because yeah for me It's not clear how Jenkins X governance is going to work going forward because Originally Jenkins X started this Jenkins X sub project and we still listed here But now in the CDF for the two equal projects So yeah, this will probably meet an update But for example, when we are planning to JSOC this year or when we were planning to JSOC We still operate it as a similar organization and I don't see a particular reason why we don't do so Since there is a lot of overlap on the project But if Jenkins X wants to have a separate account separate project, it's also possible Yeah, and one option may with that might be that we do it We sort of do it from a CDF level and all the projects in CDF we invite them to start their own page, but Treated as maybe CDF can contribute some funding so any projects within the CDF are open to Proposing their own projects if they can find mentors and a right timescale for them Yeah, right If somebody wants to try it out Just send me your emails or send a message to my email and I'll add you as a mentors Okay, thank you for the organization so you can use the application format Okay, yeah, now that looks really good. I think No, I can't think of specific actions, but you'll take a look at the core infrastructure and Stop thinking about What's the best approach for the funding? Okay Are you going to you're gonna follow up with Mark on the docs project? Yeah, all right If you do that, it would be nice to discuss some funding things, but I think we can do it at the next meeting Okay Because yeah, the funding would require governance meeting and hence our previous topic Yeah, okay any other thoughts questions before I move on to the next topic Actually before I move I say we've got quite a few topics. I'm gonna go back to sharing my screen So I don't have that document and the chat for me is Empty except from Mark saying he has an outage call Ah, yes good old chat history doesn't show up. I'll repost that Can you see my screen? I can see your screen. Yes I've lost the chat somebody else could post in the chat. I'd appreciate that because I'm lost in tabs okay, um So I've got a set of The next few agenda items. Uh, just conscious of who's on the call Um, just before we just dive into Them just in the order they are this is going to go. What ones do folks care about? Um, so see ricks here and we've got one from rick Um, anybody else Want to highlight any one of these to talk about with more priority? I want to discuss about the local community um How does that go in? like we We talked last time last meeting and maybe And we have we will have Local websites but What what's the difference? What's the relationship with the jinkins community? between global community and the sub community Yeah, just to understand you're talking about Um, local community pages on jinkins say or write or something else Uh, I have Another website Let me know if you want to share your screen at all I can hand over I send the send the link to the chat Um Jenkins uh, this is h.c.m. Yes Uh In my opinion, um, jinkins the owl gone Because the owl flash Uh, it's a meter website of jinkins owl The audience Jinkins owl page websites, so I put I was um everything related to the sub community Sorry like Rick, we're losing you Can you hear me? Uh, we lost the I didn't hear the last bit of your sentence, but I had the rest So if you don't mind repeating the last uh couple of lines I will put everything about the local site The jinkins owl Sorry Rick, it keeps cutting in and out Is that just me or is it the same for others? It's been for me Okay Rick, are you still with us? Sorry, my network is not very good No problem. Do you so I try Try again. So what is it? Um, you're proposing or that you'd like us to do or We should discuss as a community What do you think about the new? Uh, just the sender link Do you think it's promoted on it's uh by the practice um, yeah, I think you're Well for me, um I think it's kind of breaking new ground. So there's no sort of existing practices or things about how we can do it Um, I don't know. Does anyone else have thoughts? I mean it looks looks pretty good. And if that's something that like the the chinese community is coming together around Um Yeah, but maybe this is something again going back to all legs thing about just general Governance that might be of interest at that level Yeah, I think it's worth kind of going forward with it if it's a way to get information to people and redirect folks to to resources Um, and to keep letting us know, um, if there's things we can do As a community to make it better or easier I think you've been working with olivia on from infrastructure items Okay But nothing, uh, I want to discuss about the um, jikens user conference in china um Maybe I don't have Many contacts with Sorry contacts with the community Okay Eric, um We're positive. I think you had another topic about Uh an event in china Which we can add to the agenda. So just just add that there And I don't know are you around with the question about how to get some more contacts and drum up some People to help organize or attend or sponsor We'll wait till you're back. Um, I'll switch this to a different topic Um, oh, yeah, there's our process for sending swag out to community groups Like stickers and um Go ahead olig. Yeah, I just uh wanted to quickly answer There are a number of processes one of processes For security bounties So it's implied today. Another process is for Jenkins area meetups So if you open a page on the Jenkins area meetup, uh, there are guidelines how to be How to get swag and for some programs like online hackathons, etc We also send it out But as far as I know, there is no program for just sending swag to any contributor Maybe please know something. Um, yeah. Well, one of the things with cdf is that Um, similar to how cncf and kubernetes project do it with we have the beginnings of a cd store um So they've just set up the infrastructure and uh, I think we're trying to find out How we kind of get swag in there So actually on that topic, um, if you all don't mind, I'm going to jump to the agenda item about Jams and meetups for cdf So, um, the idea with this is um, I think when we had one sticker each when it was first set up Uh, dan laurence, uh of the tecton project He said he he tried it out by ordering one sticker one tecton sticker And uh, it said it got it there, but I can't remember what he paid in delivery fees, but it was A lot more than just the sticker. So Um, but the idea would be that maybe going forward we could uh use that and we could give folks vouchers To go and access the store and order their own, um swag And then it also kind of takes away from Uh individuals having to get involved with the the postage and everything So instead of using a sticker model might be a red bulb Yeah, or similar platforms we create a new one inside cdf Yeah, and what would folks like to see in terms of um, Is there any particular type of swag at the moment we're planning for stickers? uh, but potentially Kind of common things, uh, like t-shirts and socks. So you can let me know if there's preferences you might have for those Any preferences like a little enamel pens Okay pins any other preferences T-shirts, uh, the jinx master, uh They are not really producing more but we have as always high demand for them So I got t-shirts and what was the other one? Yeah, jinx master t-shirts. Okay, this star wars one It's a top seller and yeah, maybe Usually it's all people take but just adding something What we already have so we have marks with jinx Some way we have anti-stress jinx. I mean from jinx. Yeah Oh, I call it anti-stress one. What's here? So whatever we already have we can just put it there Yeah, that's great. Okay. So on the meetup side, um, so just going up to this, uh, if I show you We've got an initial page. That's been a proposal for the meetup. So Um, have a look at this. So it's pretty similar to what CNCF do for meetups So it gives an outline of the cdf meetup program Which basically means cdf would manage a meetup pro account Um, and so then we give people suggestions So they could either start a meetup as a continuous delivery one Or they could keep it as, you know, a Jenkins the traditional jam ones Or it could be any other project for uh within cdf. So it could be, you know um, Spinnaker London or Spinnaker San Francisco. So Some name suggestions Um, some help finding speakers Um, and a kind of form some links about sponsors And some more details Just about general running an event and a link to Where to store your presentations to make them available afterwards As well as, um, we have a link to the swag store Oh, and a link to slack. I didn't even know that existed I'm afraid to click Okay, um, so one of the ideas here is uh, so there's an existing Jenkins Meetup pro account, which up to now has been Run and sponsored by cloud bees But the idea would be to transition that account over to cdf And then use it to build out all the different meetups Um, and so on the one hand is we're just going to try and track down the meetup folks to Figure out the logistics of that Um, and then on the other hand one of the implications of that will be we discontinue The page on Jenkins which talks about jams. So Um, all the things there would be superseded by by things here So I don't know if I can find that Completely deprecating but definitely updating significantly Because yeah, the page itself still makes us to keep it Yes so We'll keep this page, but probably, um redirect things, um So and we can keep them mailing. Would we keep the mailing list? Actually, that's a good question Why not? Oh, well, basically in Jenkins we already have At least two emails because there is Jenkins Jam and there is also Jenkins events mailing list Well, they are used So if we could keep them, it would be nice especially if So if cdf just takes over Jam as strategy, it's fine, but in Jenkins Jam We actually have people who help to organize meetups To process that to deliver swap So it's not just the transfer and clearance price account. You take why people behind it in cdf to keep the program running Yes Yes, so the expectation would be that the folks at cdf would do this or this For instance at the moment, Alyssa who kind of responds to to the various things here Anson swag would not be doing that going forward. So if they would be getting in touch with the folks at the cdf and Also getting a voucher for swag. So rather than anybody having to send things out, they get a voucher and they can order it themselves So the and the other thing I think that is a difference that is apparent to me Was in the past, I think we could set up people could request to start jams and meetups Just without having actually run a meeting I think for the cdf one, I think you create your meetup You run them and then you you sort of get them added to the group So the onus is kind of to just go ahead and start your meetup and then get it added rather than kind of asking for things upfront Without necessarily knowing whether people will follow through Yeah, one thing about that if you want to start a meetup on meetup.com you have to pay you have to attach your credentials, etc And I'm not sure it's going to be an option for some of meetup organizers I don't think you have to pay if you have less than 50 attendees. It's free Okay, maybe Maybe they changed the policy because the last time I was doing it was three years ago or so And at the time it was Required to pay even if you just wanted to take a meetup page Yeah I did one couple of years back you could It was fine until you had more than 50 attendees, which can happen pretty quickly, but certainly just to get going So any thoughts so I think something like that We'll start sending out email to the jam Organizes and maybe bring it up in the mail. English to get some feedback Yeah, one comment about meetup names. We have a lot of CICD meetups For example, meetups in Switzerland in Zurich in Berlin, which do events about Jenkins sometimes And yeah, what if CICD meetup was also a pre-approved name so that these meetups could be able to make it on the CIFM Well, as long as they have significant coverage for CDF projects So what's the question whether so meetups like not continuous delivery meetups, but CICD meetups or continuous integration and delivery meetups would they be accepted under CDF umbrella? um My thinking this is just personally off of the top of my head is that the continuous delivery is a broad umbrella for ci CD in whichever definition you use Um, and that's one thing we like people do keep asking us, you know, just continuous delivery include devops as it includes ci Does it include continuous deployment? and so the answer is yes, so um, I think the But the continuous delivery focuses kind of on the end user rather than the processes sort of saying, okay, we need this about getting features out so My quick, I haven't really thought about it answer would be um, I think we'd prefer people to label it as continuous delivery to emphasize that focus but also Tag it, you know with ci and with cd so That it's clear to people that all these kinds of talks are welcome But as I say, I probably need to Yeah, that's why I brought up this topic because Some people have strong opinions about continuous integration continuous delivery differences Yeah, but it's not exactly a new topic. Yeah any other thoughts from other folks. What what do you think? I want to ask you some jam organizer Hold a meetup Does he I need to How to say Does he need to contact with the community or just hold the Meetup privately So would this be for a Jenkins jam or like a continuous delivery the new meetup Because an area meetup or the df Yeah, so for the Jenkins area meetup um, this process still applies as we We're early stages of transitioning, but um, this this will still apply. So I think um, yeah anything that's on here Will apply when people are starting up the meetups at the moment. I think Alyssa is mentioning to them About the continuous delivery foundation and the option to Label it as a continuous delivery meetup if they want to talk about a range of different projects Rick is your question simply that is it all right to start a meetup prior to asking permission From this community No And because I saw our tool meetup in China I I didn't say I need manager from the community. So I Sorry, I think we've lost you there um, but I think Yeah, if you are just running events in general, I think you don't really need to do any of this You can just go ahead like just bring communities together um, but then these are just if you want to be kind of part of the jam program take advantage of the Um, you know having the bigger meetups and have that paid for by the centralized place and Get a bit of swag But yeah, it's completely optional Are you back Rick? Okay Yeah, let me know if you're there. So just conscious that we've got about five minutes Left just looking at the other topics. I'll bump that one to next time, but that was a general kind of, um, you know, can we use this group to help Get some improved velocity over prs, but quick summaries. I think I will apply for uh access to be able to merge things and I saw rick had recently so I'll follow rick's example Uh marky had asked for this, but I see he had to run He's not there. So I'll also bump that one and um Oleg do you want to mention this one? Tell us what that's about In the last few minutes. So it's basically what I was talking about. Um, before about a student for We do service right before Jenkins So This student actually wants to contribute to the project and he has some internship in his university So he would be interested to get some information from Whatever legal entities So that this contribution project also is counted as a summer practice But in order to do so, yeah First thing we would need a legal entity which would have been a showstopper for Jenkins before we joined cdf But now we're in the next foundation. So maybe we could have a legal entity But the question is whether cdf findings foundation have a practice for that There are some people who could be a good contact to discuss that because Yeah, maybe there are already some such programs for cadding in other projects Okay, so this is not directly related to GSOC, but it's just a general internship. Yeah, it's not related to GSOC because for GSOC Google does all the paperwork And we participate like as open source organizations But yeah for this if we do come let's say community bridge Whether we could be able to do some documentation to provide to the students university Yeah, yeah, there are some links to the documentation. Now it's less a priority because yeah, we target paperless project. I mean that we just do it But yeah going forward it would be nice to know what are the options in cdf for that. Yeah I think it's worth noting just on terms of the legal entity side That the Jenkins transfer is underway. I don't know if folks have seen There's a thread in spi which is talking about Kind of the transfer from spi to cdf And there's a resolution that will be voted on the 10th of june so there have been many conversations between cos k and folks from the next foundation and folks from spi But as you see from some of the issues raised it's not necessarily going to be straightforward just because of the types of status of organizations and there's a few options And definitely have to get kind of lawyers involved to make sure it all goes well So encourage you if you do care to have a look at that But the long and short of it was that Once That is sorted. We we kind of officially have the legal entity I don't I think there's some things we can proceed with Regardless, but it might just be on a It will sort of depend Yeah, I understand What you need specifically Yeah, so basically even without Jenkins being officially as a part of cdf Yes Yeah, it might be complicated, but maybe coming into breach is a resolution for that Yeah But yeah, I guess we still need to wait for the full transition of the project Yeah, um, yeah, it will be worth it. So Hang in there Okay So, yeah I think that timeline for this project. Yeah, it's not a problem because we press it in another way But if we get another queries, maybe in a couple of months, it would be nice to know what's Take on that Yeah, and I don't I don't have a better answer at the moment. So Yeah Many other things Okay, um, yeah on that note Just wrap up So, yeah, thanks everybody for Joining in. Do you have any additional comments from anybody? Very slanted. I noticed I'm muting. I didn't know whether you're going to say anything Okay, right there in the chat Okay, great I Still lost the chat window Next meeting will be 20th of june 2019 And it will be at the other time slot. So Makes it easier for west coast folks and east coast, but maybe not necessarily the rest of the world But there will probably have a bit more focus on kind of the the jenkins world items But yeah, please go ahead and add your agenda items And yeah, I'll be oh I was going to quickly mention I started working on this blog post Which is kind of highlighting ways to work on jenkins project So maybe I'll have more of an update then but all I have now is emojis Okay, but thanks everybody and yeah, we'll see you next time. All right. Bye. Bye