 See, there you go, you might just change my life. No worries, brother. I'm actually a turkey farmer today. Yeah? Yeah. I'm trying to stop vegans from shutting down the turkey industry. Ain't that the opposite of what you do? Yeah. But I'm trying to do a reverse psychology thing because people see this, this is the turkey industry and I say I'm a turkey farmer and I'm trying to get people to sign a petition to stop vegans from shutting that down and then when they look at that they'll go, wait a second, I don't want to support that. How long have you been here for? 45 minutes. Okay. We've got two. We've got a bit of support. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. I'm hoping people go no way I'm supporting that and I'll go, well do you eat it? So thanks for supporting us. They pick each other in the sheds. Yeah. Do you support the industry? Are you a meat eater? Yeah. You watch my videos though. Yeah. You do see my videos? I'm open to more. I've got no religion. That's good. It is what it is. I'm glad you're open minded. That means you don't shut things out that are true. Yeah. 100% true. 100% true. Why? So why haven't you made any steps or anything? To be perfectly honest with you, if someone gave me a meal plan and went to me, this is a month meal plan, no meat and it was good. I don't live off meat. So you just need to know how and you'll do it? I just need to know. But you agree with the principle of not harming animals and that? Yeah. What are you generally against harming animals? Am I against it? Yeah. I miss cruelty and things like that. Yes. How do you define cruelty? Yeah. This is absolutely videos. I don't know. I have no harm in that. Is it cruel for me to shoot you in the head? For me. Is it cruel for me to shoot? Would I be acting in a cruel way if I shot you in the head? I've got different views on humanity and I don't know. But for what reason, I would ask? Do you know what it's supposed to do? I don't know why there are chickens. Apart from if they want fed and people want them as pets, we're going to do it with millions of millions of chickens. We can't build the animals. Why are they here? Well, they're here to feed. They're here because they're bred into existence. They're bred into existence. The reason I don't like about the meat industry, if I had a choice, I would have had children. I would have rather my children not eat meat, bearing things like that, especially milk. The drugs that they pump into. The antibiotics. And I don't want that shit in me. But who am I? That's good to your health. It's good. If you come and walked into one of your children's rooms and you've seen them being cruel to an animal, what would you say to them? You would teach them that it was wrong. But every time you put meat on the table, you're teaching them otherwise. You see how people can grow up confused? I grow up confused because I would spend meat, dairy and eggs, a product of animals being subjugated and killed. But I was also taught not to be cruel to the cats and the dogs. If someone see me burning a cow, singling him in the eye with some hot iron, people would say I was a lunatic. But animals are tortured and killed for our dinner plates every single day. And that's why people are confused. Torture is right through the industry. That's right through the industry. I mean, I could explain a few acts of torture that happen in the industry, if you want. Nudelations happen, the tail's been snipped off, teeth being clipped down. Beaks been snipped off of birds and... You know what, I'm doing something like this. It's bush. Yeah. It is what we have. It's bush. Yeah. Better? If it was... Yeah, so it's stupid. There's gotta be a bit of a way out. There's also the... Cruel. There's doing it in a better way. And then there's... Leave them alone. There is that. Yeah, and I think that's the vegan option. And that exists, that option of this. If you've got the cars over the road, then you probably have the other day. I'm not from Manchester, I work. People with the TV screens and that? That's it. And they're supporting their religion. Oh, you mean the people that preach Islam and... That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, with Christianity, some of the Christianity we've lost, they're gonna go, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is my religion, huh? I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Now we have won. Conflict. Of course. Yeah. But veganism has no religion. Veganism is a principle against... Is it right or wrong? Yeah, well... That religion is right. All you have to do is follow your moral compass, how you view animals. Do you believe they can feel pain and suffer? Okay, so do you believe it's wrong to needlessly cause some pain and suffering? Do I think it's... Sorry? Do you think it's wrong to needlessly cause them pain and suffering? No, no. This one's actually got to be a better way. To... So you would prefer that people didn't needlessly, like, without reason, without justification, harm animals? They are raised, have their cats, food, and normal, like... They're culling them. That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. Well, this happens all the time. They do. They either have to spend thousands on vet care for these animals, when they're going to be slaughtered anyway, or they just cull them on the farm. It's way more cost-effective. They would lose... It's all money. But you give them that money. Yeah. You support them. They also pay my council tax, and my taxes to the government. You can't... You can't choose where that money goes, but you can choose what you eat. If I had a turkey here, which I rescued in Turkey last year, called Tinsel Beautiful Animal, really intelligent, like, dogs, really smart... It doesn't matter if they're smart. What matters is they can experience, and they're aware. All right? If I had that bird here, and I started, you know... Well, we grabbed a knife and started slashing their head off. Would you cringe? Yeah. Me too. Me too. I'd stop someone. I'd say, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. But if you paid me to do it... Yeah, this one, I mean, it's got to be a better method. Well, okay. You can't just... Pay me to do that good method. What's the good method? You've got, like, soldiers, the soldier will come along, it will shoot the bullets that they're using, as soon as it impacts you, you're pretty much dead. It depends what it hits you, yeah. Yeah? You're going to... If you bleed out, that's the hard way to do it. Split you through here, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Or clean it up and saw your head off. Now, if it was you, and you had to die, I'm not going to torture you for a long period of time. I don't... If you ask me, hey, bro, can you just end it? Just... These are the only two options you had. Torture you, or just end it? Yeah. The more humane for me to just end it. Go ahead. Yeah? It's not about... What if there's a... What if there's a third option, right? There's never a third option. There is. There's never a third option. No, no, no. In this hypothetical, there's a third option. And it's... I don't have to kill you at all. It's my choice. All right? And imagine if I chose the more humane option when I had... of killing you, when I had an option not to kill you. What would you say about me? What would you say I'm choosing to kill you when I don't need to? Yeah, but... the way it will work... Is that cool, though? Is it not... you're going to get prosecuted one way or another? Yeah. So... A legal thing, yeah. Have you never had any problems? Come back on me. For anything? For this? For asking people not to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I get abused online and things like that, but in person, not often, huh? Yeah. Like, a lot of people silently agree with my... What I... People agree that animals shouldn't be caused suffering because the most people are against factory farms, all right? But if they agree with that principle, they agree that animals value their lives and their experience in their life. So to murder them is wrong. It has to be. For me, it's not... I see the way they're kept. Yeah. But million chickens, there's no space to remove their wings. They have to. They've done that from birth. They have to. They've done... That's what I'm saying. They have to feed everyone chickens. From the egg, that's all they know. Yeah. To me, it's some bullshit. But they have to... They've let them fucking run. How are they supposed to feed seven, eight billion people chickens? You want... They want to feed no fish, no eggs, nothing like that. About eight years. So, what are you using to cause organic? Is that a load of products? Organic is about the food they're fed. Yeah. And in the UK, organic have different standards for how many birds should be kept, you know, barn and things like this. And where is that going? Is it working? Is it doing well? Well, it depends on whether or not they get investigated and exposed because this is a... I only eat organic food. So, organic meats... Free range, yeah. Well, free range doesn't mean organic. No, that doesn't... Free range eggs are disgusting, by the way. So, you talk about that, that's different, though. Yeah. Free range eggs are about 16,000 in a barn and what happens is after a while, they produce an egg a day and they suck the nutrients out of their body and they start losing feathers and they die on their faces suffering and then they cull them off and they always mince the males up alive on their first day of life. So, they'll hatch males and females. Okay? The females will go off to be egg-layers. That's where you get the eggs from. The males won't. No. So, they cull them straight away and they've got this conveyor belt and they mince them alive and they go to fertilizer or pet food. See? I'd rather not. I'd rather not. So, but now you know, now you know and when you go buy those free range eggs what are you doing? Where you put your money? What you do does. My children would never know what meat tastes like if I raised them. Same with me. Me? I'm 32. I've always eaten meat. So, I was 26. I went vegan when I was about 27. I was eating steak. Probably eat more meat than you, but I was big into it. But then I thought, I hate being a hypocrite man. Hate it. And if I can avoid it, you can never live without causing zero harm. And that's not what I'm asking people to do. There's places where we cause egregious amounts of suffering that we can easily avoid. And being vegans is the most practical way for people to do that. Yeah. Just one day. He's got six years. Yeah. He's younger. Yeah. Probably 21. Same. He's seven years. Yeah. He's mad at me. I've been in two towns for the last week. Yeah. I went out to feel about it. And he went, do you know what? I feel good when I feel better. And he is full on me. Nothing. That's good. And he went, I hardly recommend it. I've never gone back to me. It's not a matter of he went, I love it. I like the taste. But he went, the body does the body. And then he's got the he's got the the pets. You know what? It's a good feeling being consistent. Because you say you're against animal cruelty. And it only makes sense that you act in a way that's in alignment with that. If I had, if I had, if I lived with someone that could teach me how to. Well, can I give you, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, if you go to challenge 22, so challenge and then let it, let it, the numbers 22.com I work with this organization and they do three vegan challenges. We do it on Facebook for three, but you just go in there and go, okay. So what's my meal plan? What do I have to do today? And they will give you, they've got decided Richardson's on there. They've got mentors who help you you guys. It's challenge 22.com Yeah. And the reason it's 22 days is because it takes 21 days to rebuild a new habit. So it's all about changing habits and knowing what to eat in that. And if you get that down, that sounds like you'd do it pretty easily. But there's also a veganuary. You've got to educate yourself so you know. So then when you make decisions, it's smart to be wised up to those decisions. So then you can teach your kids, then you're creating a better world for the future because then they can go on and teach their friends and you're actually making a positive impact because we're all gonna die. We might have been the generations that come. Do you not know why? Let's just step slightly outside the window. What's your views on everyone becomes vegan, you know? So that's a lot of meat taken off the table. Yeah. Of course we've replaced with something else, you know? How are they gonna grow? Causing planetary problems. Yeah, so those animals right now are being fed plants. So they have to feed a lot more calories to run it through an animal to create their muscle and to sustain this animal, okay? And then you take a small piece of their flesh. So the distribution of plants, you know, then converting it into their bodies, it's unsustainable. So right now, animal agriculture is using up 83% of the farmland on earth. And if we all went vegan, there was this big study, right? Probably not much into science, but at Oxford University they said, if everyone adopted just the vegan diet alone, they could reduce the earth's farmland by 75%. Cows need hay, land, chickens are eating soy from the Amazon, you know? They're deforesting, growing all this cropland and feeding it all to these animals so we can eat a little bit of their flesh. It's really unsustainable and crazy. It's crazy. It's not the way we're eating these animals and feeding the animals our food and just to eat the animals. And our water, these animals drink a lot of water, especially a dairy cow. It's like a, how many, a thousand litres of water for one litre of milk? It's crazy dude. It's like, they need water to feed their crops that they eat and they also drink a bunch of water and then they convert that into a little bit of milk. You know, it's just like, it's crazy dude. We could just have, get some soybeans, blend them up with water and you've got soy milk. Or you could feed tons of soy to this cow. I did actually, I went to this stage of drinking the almond. Yeah, almond milk, yeah. It's all right? Yeah. So you're just changing your taste buds, bro? As I'm getting older, I spend more time getting worse. I tend to fight, I'm cutting down on my meat. So I won't eat too much of it. It's more fiber, it's better for your stomach. Yeah. So as I'm getting, I'm probably, the way things are going, I'm probably gonna start going in a vegetarian mode for a couple more years. I'm probably gonna force it to be. Or you could make the decision now and it would be a moral decision. And it feels better to make, because now you're conscious, you're like, you know what, I could make a- I've got to get the dishes. Yeah. I've got to get the dishes. That's all you need, practical ideas. This is my favorite dish, it's rust. Yeah. I love rust and veg, but I eat rust chicken and veg. Yeah, vegan chicken, easy. Yeah, vegan chicken galore, it's mad. And I feel like the- What's your breakfast, corn? Corn, yeah. What's that? It's made of mushroom, mica protein. Any good? I like it. It's good, but they do do vegetarian stuff. I don't eat dairy and eggs, but they have a good vegan range. I personally like this isn't chicken, but the supermarket's right. They've got their own branded stuff and it's really good. So like if you go into Asda, they've got plant-based range. If you go into Tesco, they've got their own plant-chef range. If you go into Sainsbury's, they've got their, what's Sainsbury's one called, they've got their own plant-based range as well. They're doing cheaper, so they're cutting the price down, especially at Tesco, and they're giving like the chickens, especially substitutes, they're amazing. But they take the protein out of the plants, and they create like a meaty sort of substance with it. But, you know, soy beans that have been processed, I would still say are, you know, better for you than slaughtered chicken. You know, they don't have antibiotics in them. You're not gonna risk of contamination in coal wire, things like this. You don't have a bird that had the head cut off, you know, and we are not causing the problems with soy. Animal agriculture is, because we're growing it all to feed the animals. It's not human-caused problem with soy. It's an animal-caused, animal-agriculture-caused problem. So, if you go into Iceland, they got amazing vegan chicken in the freezer section. I love it. Iceland, and they got cheap burgers called No Bull burgers. They taste, they're really good if you like burger meat. If you go on YouTube, right, this is how I learned what I eat in a day vegan. It'll come up with a million videos on the, oh, vegan, what do you eat now? Put it in, vegan chicken and rice, boom. Vegan this and that. Vegan chicken replacements UK, just boom, boom, boom. Anything you want, just think about Google it. You'll find it, bro. Because you already, I don't even think you need much of a push. It's just about making a decision. I just, I don't need a push. I just need a board to open up, just someone to go, there you go. That's the way I need to push it into. Yeah, you seem like all you need to do is type in Google what you need and you could go to the store and start, where's the vegan section at? You know what I mean? Do you know what I mean? I'm not here for work. Yeah. Vegan shop. Vegan food, yeah. It depends if you want stuff to cook at home. I'm not, I'm ready-made. Yeah, I'm ready-made in a little thing that you can microwave. I'm at the kitchen, I stay at a hotel, so I've got to eat as it is. Ready meals, if you go into Sainsbury's, they've got vegan ready meals. Is there any restaurants? I can walk you. Use Happy Cow. Happy Cow. Happy Cow, it's an app. Remember, Happy Cow's an app. It's in the areas, yeah? Happy Cow. Happy Cow. If you want delivery, just go, Uber Eats Vegan. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Happy Cow, Happy Cow's the best because it shows you're not just vegan places, what places have vegan options. If you go on a Costa right now, they've got vegan sandwiches. You can go into Starbucks, they've got vegan stuff. Anywhere you go, basically, in England, now you open your mind to it, there's vegan stuff everywhere. It's mad here. It's one of the best countries for it. Yeah. See, there you go. You might just change my life. No worries, brother. Thanks very much. Take care, brother. You said you might have just changed my life. Wow, he was a legend. He was really interested to learn and he really wanted to, he just needed to know how. That's interesting, some people are already there, they just need to know how. That's why showing people how is actually a really important job to do in the movement. The why, I always talk about the why. But once people know the why, they're more open to doing, to the how. But, yeah, we're a legend.