 So we're here at Mobile World Congress and there's a nice and big Ubuntu booth right here. So there's Ubuntu everywhere in the world. That's right. And it's thanks to developers and our community that it does so many interesting things in so many interesting places. So have you reached what you set out to do in the beginning? Well, what we've reached is much bigger than what I think we set out to do in the beginning, right? I really wanted to make sure that there was a great, solid, free software platform that was available to people who wanted one. And it turned out that those people are brilliant geniuses. And so now we've gone all over the cloud. We're in telco networks, front end, back end data centers, edge devices, phones. I'm very, very proud to be part of all of this. And it's hard to know who's using it, right? Because it's like they're not telling you, are they? No one has to tell us that they're using Ubuntu. No one has to tell us how they're using Ubuntu effectively. So we learn about these projects long after the case, which I think is great. What I care about is that Ubuntu is of a very high quality, very high standard, so that everybody can count on having a great experience with it. And so on this side, you have a lot of server stuff, and behind you have IoT stuff. That's right. And there's a lot of stuff happening with IoT. You're going to be in IoT? That's right. So down here, we're simulating exchanges or central offices, co-location facilities. Those are the rooms where all of the wires come into the telco. That's the entry point to the telco network effectively. And what we're showing is building different kinds of clouds with different self-define networks, and then deploying different kinds of virtual network functions, which are like telco applications on top of those clouds, which is really cool. On the back wall, we're showing a whole bunch of IoT. We have Samsung with their Artec 5 and 10. We have a range of devices from Dell. We have devices from top-of-rack switches through DSLAMs, DSL aggregation managers, home routers, GSM base stations, software-defined radio, GSM base stations, drones, robots, 3D printers. And they're all using Snappy of them to call. Is that relatively new, and it just kind of like coming out? You know, that works. Snappy has started when we started the phone, because for the phone, we knew we needed to create a new kind of packaging system that had a much more reliable upgrade and rollback mechanism. And it was much easier for developers that simplified all of the packaging. So that work has evolved from the click packages that we use in the phone to Snappy, which we first used in 1504. And Snappy 3.0 will be in 1604 LTS, so that's going to be a pretty incredible experience for developers. There's a lot of excitement for Snappy, no? Yes. Snappy, I think, is a breath of fresh air for developers, because it lets them grab code from GitHub, grab code from RubyGems, Node.js packages, pull all of those together into a nice, easy bundle that they can then ship off to the cloud or ship off to a device or ship off to a desktop. So it's very exciting. It's a very clean way to work. It's very empowering for developers, and it's a great experience for them. So somebody just commented on one of my videos saying that Linus Torvalds said that 2016 we're going to see ARM laptops going gangbusters. Are you going to be part of them? Are you going to be part of that? Linus is a little behind the times. I like him very much, but he should know that we have tons of ARM laptops today, right? There are ARM Chromebooks, and we should celebrate that as a win for Linux and for free software. Regardless of the details of the stack, that is a radically new way of thinking about personal computing. And I think it's a fantastic achievement by the Linux community and by Google. So the convergence device here, this is the middle of our range of phone, tablet and PC. We launched the tablet with BQ. It won trusted reviews, best of show, and it won Tom's Hardware biggest surprise, which was a huge surprise for us and a fantastic accomplishment for the team. You can actually see an ARM device that's acting as a desktop and acting as a phone, and it's an amazing experience. I love the Chromebooks. I think it's fantastic. When I go to engineering conferences and stuff, everybody's using Intel computers and stuff, so maybe what he meant is all these engineers should be having ARM laptops this year and they should be running Ubuntu, right? Well, maybe, but also maybe engineers will find that they start using the Samsung Arctic 5 or using an Intel Sophia or using a Raspberry Pi and creating things that they never imagined. Everything is now much bigger than the PC, right? It's the phone. It's the tablet. It's the PC. It's virtual reality. It's augmented reality. It's every device in your house and it's the cloud and all of those are a playground for brilliant people. So it's great for me to be part of that. It's great for the free software community to be able to be right at the cutting edge of that and I'm very proud to be leading a small bit of all of that. But there's a lot of work that's going on right here. Sure, but luckily we've got a lot of people to make it happen, right? Yeah. The company. That's right. So, but we have a whole bunch of different missions and a bunch of different people focused on those. The team working on personal computing are super passionate about the phone tablet PC convergence story and I think it's really beautiful. You know, I'm delighted that Microsoft, HP and others have now decided that that convergence thing might have legs. I think it's fantastic that a small British company with people all over the world can be building a free software platform that looks and smells just like the future everybody else has decided they want to create and we've done that, you know, with a small but passionate community. It sounds a little bit like another company called ARM. It might well have something in common with the ragtag bunch of adventurers. Yes. The diversity of our story I think matches that and well, what can I say? I'm delighted to be part of that. So, there was Ubuntu on Android a couple of three years ago. What do you think about this idea? About an app on Android that launches Ubuntu, is that? You know, I think we're entering a new phase of work with containers and so on. So Linux is getting powerful enough to let us mix and match the best of those worlds. I certainly think there's lots to celebrate in the Android world, in the Chrome world. You know, I think we shouldn't forget it's a huge part of our experience that Chrome is part of our experience, right? So, you know, for all the fact that we like to draw lines and mark our territory, the fact is everybody's kind of interdependent on everybody else. So, we should do a little bit of bitching and a little more kind of celebrating just how wild the world has gotten and how much of that is built on free software that we all use and contribute to. And I'm just guessing, I'm sure you can't really say, but I'm sure you help all these guys make what they do also. You're kind of like consulting, you're helping all these people, right? When they have issues with Linux, you go and make it work for them, right? A little bit. Well, I like the idea that we can kind of help everybody solve problems cheaply, right? It seems silly for everybody to solve the same problem separately. So, with Ubuntu, we're solving a sort of straightforward problem, which is how can you have a high-quality maintained Linux, right? Which is freely available to everybody. With Juju, we're solving a different problem, which is, okay, how can you essentially command and control infrastructure at scale, whether that's across racks of ARM servers, racks of X86 servers, tons of VMs on a public cloud, lots of power servers? How can you command and control that to go really, really fast? So, what you're seeing here is telco software at scale being deployed on bare metal, being deployed on clouds. With Snappy, we're solving a different problem, which is, okay, if we're going to have all of these billions of Linux devices, and we need to be keeping them secure. You know, last week there was a huge security vulnerability that affects every Linux device out there. How many home routers got updated? Well, Snappy Ubuntu Core solves that problem because we on that day can publish the update and every home user will instantly get it and choose if they want to apply it. And if their vendor signs it, then it will instantly be applied to all of those home routers, or if their operator pushes it, then it'll all instantly get applied. So, we're solving real problems, which come from the success of Linux, right? We celebrate the success of Linux, but also know we have to evolve. And with the personal computing, with Unity 8 and the conversion story, we're really trying to put free software right at the front of what personal computing could be, right? And I know there's some people who say, why would you bother with something that's only 1% of the world, but 1% of the world is enough to change the world, right? And so, I want to make sure that we have a high secure or free software platform that can be anything that people need it to be. And so, that's why I'm so proud of that team and all the work that they have done. I think you can be proud. You have changed the world, right? You have, you're touching everything. Like the network, the servers, and everybody in the world is basically being influenced by what you are doing. We are driving change in the world, but we're also riding change in the world, right? We're riding a wave, which is much bigger than us. And it's nice that we are kind of the, we make that wave look orange, but the reality is there's a huge ecosystem and a huge community of people that are much bigger than we are and don't necessarily, you know, aren't even necessarily focusing the same goals that we are. And I'm mindful of that. And a positive about the future. The future is gonna be lots. Just a little bit orange, maybe.