 all the meeting to order. Okay. And so, oh, there's Matt. Hi. I think I went through the numbers and everything seemed to accord with what Julianne pulled together yesterday during our meeting. And I think we just need a formal vote. Well, first of all, we need to approve the minutes of the last meeting. I'm sorry. I'm getting ahead of myself. Which I send out. Did you all have a chance to read them thoroughly? I'm so long. Yeah. Jenny did a great job on the accessibility discussion. I think that's great. And we did well. So do I have a motion to accept the minutes? Motion to accept the minutes. Thank you. And a second? I'll second. Any comments about them? Changes? Corrections? Hearing none. All in favor of approving the minutes? Raise your hands. You can't do raise hands. You have to do a roll call. I'm sorry. I have to do a roll call. Okay. Gigi, yes. Jenny? Yes. Sandra? Yes. Julianne? Yes. Cole? Yes. Okay. Matt? Hi. And Rachel? Yes. I think I have all the voting members, right? Okay. Thank you. Have all the votes. So next we vote on the allocation of funds. And I guess, does anybody have any questions about them? We need to read them one more time or are we, we're good? Well, numbers are all good. The numbers are good. I'll be happy to read through it if anybody wants me to. I do not want you to read through the numbers. Okay. I won't read through the numbers. Just clarify our bottom line number. Bottom line number is not the number itself. We've allocated $43,255 plus the $2,500 for the accessibility initiative. Right. So what I wanted to verify was the carryover admin funds that are, or not admin, the carryover funds from previous years, have those been touched or have they been added to the total? So traditionally we wait a year. So this, this amount includes about $5,000. It's a little more than that from fiscal year 2019. Okay. And then how much does that leave in the reserve? Oh, we still have like $9,000. Okay. All right. Thank you. That's great. Yeah. No, it's fiscal year 2019 is two years ago. Right. Yeah. We're in fiscal year 21. I don't know where the time goes. It took me about four years to realize where the extra money came from each fall. The treasurer never, I don't know. We just never talked about it. It was like this magic amount would appear out of nowhere. We'd have to use it. Okay. So I guess I would accept a motion to approve the allocations that we've made for fiscal year 2021. All right. I'll motion that we vote on our allocation for fiscal year 2021. I'll second the motion. Thank you. Okay. All in favor, I will call the roll. Gigi, I say yes. Jenny? Yes. Julianne? Yes. Yes. Sondra? Yes. Cole? Yes. Good. Uh-oh. It just, okay. Matt? Rachel? Yes. Okay. Did I forget anyone my list just shifted in the middle? Sondra, did I get you? Yes, you did. Yes. Okay. Good. So that's great. And the next step is tomorrow I'll try to get the denial letters out. We do this by email. And then we wait two weeks, which is the length of time that the people whose grants were denied have to appeal to the Massachusetts Cultural Council. And then after that, Jenny and I will send out the letters to the, our winners of our grant round. So what is a process if anybody does appeal, Gigi, because you're saying that they would appeal directly to the Mass Cultural Council and then does that filter back? And then I guess they get back to us. I've never gone through it. Okay. So I really don't know what the process is. I would assume that it's something that MENA would talk to me about. And if need be, we'd get you all together to hash it out. But I, as I say, I've never gone through the process. So I don't know. Sondra, do you remember ever? I don't think we've ever had one. See, Sondra's memory goes back. I don't know how many years you were the representative of the library on this. Long time. Long time. So I really don't know. So that is really what we needed to do this this evening. But since we're kind of together, do people want to talk more about the accessibility project? I just have a quick question first. There was an email from the Mass Cultural Council mentioning all these other grants that are available, like for festivals and all these other activities. Does that mean that people who want to do them on a local basis would just apply directly? That does not go through us. Okay. All right. And I think that all of the people who apply to the local cultural councils got that mailing. I think the MCC mailing list has got to be huge. So we don't have to, you know, feed information like that to our applicants. So they must just be starting their their cycle then. Yeah. Yeah. And did you notice that Governor Baker submitted next year's budget yesterday? I didn't know. I didn't know. Yeah. I mean, that was in the newspaper this morning and it's like, wait a minute, the legislature just approved the budget last November or December. So it's a quick cycle. So who would like to be on the accessibility project? Robin Thompson does. Yeah, I would. I would imagine. He's very eager. Matt would. I would love to work on it as well. Yeah. I think it's going to be really important. And I would I would think going forward when it's time to look at our guidelines again, you know, maybe accessibility ideas should be part of people's proposals to us when possible. But I think this will be a good a good experiment to see how it goes. Go ahead, Jenny. I just I would like to join as well. Okay, great. Okay. That's nice. That's three people. So that's okay, right, Cindy? Sorry. All four people, four people. Is that okay, Cindy? Yeah, it's under five. So we're good. Okay. But I mean, Gigi, you can't go. Is that fine? That's fine. Okay. This is my last few months on this group. I mean, and then this spring, this book thing, I, I feel like my time is quite limited. Um, so that's great. And I think, you know, when the dust settles and the four of you get together, that'll be great. Matt? Oh, I just wanted to say just like our previous subcommittee, you know, we have four voting members. So that's myself, Jenny, Cole, and Robin. Yeah. Right. Okay. So just like our last subcommittee, if we are able to have non-voting members and they wouldn't tip the quorum balance, I would imagine. I would love to invite all three of our Amherst High folks. I think, you know, you guys would have a great voice, great part of it. So we'll send you be facilitating the subcommittee meetings as well in terms of Zoom links and all. I forget. Yep. Okay. So with glee, with joy. So anyway, I just so good. Like, it's okay to share and share a note about Cindy's dedication and helpfulness for this. Well, you're right, Gigi. We should, we should do that as a, as a group, actually. It's a great idea. Yeah. But anyway, I would love to have our, our. That would be great. Representatives, uh, participants. I think it'll be a good learning experience too, actually. That's why I want to do it. Just, just to see what's out there and understand the accessibility world in our area. I know I didn't jump to join. I'll join other things. But one thing, I mean, I think that might be worth looking into aside from our money and our donations might be if anybody wants to learn about what grants are available in addition, there must be all kinds of grants. Other than, you know, us that we could point people to might be great to just especially as we kind of roll into the next year and we add more of this to our own requirements. It doesn't hurt as a general thing to kind of publish a listing of resources and potential other sources of funding on our Facebook page. Arts Extension Service has any of this as well. I could, I could check in because I think they, they have, they have all kinds of resources anyway, but they may have some accessibility for arts. Right. I'm going to write that down. So what would be the timeline for this? Like when we'll be like the next or the first update or periodic check in? Yeah, I think that's what I was kind of hoping maybe a little further discussion from the larger council in terms of, you know, setting out what the, you know, what the tasks are or the, you know, the general direction is for this subcommittee. And I think Rachel to that point, you know, if we have a, if we have a full council meeting on the books for whatever March 15th or something, you know, then I think the smaller committee can pace itself to that date, you know. Right. But, but I'm also just, I mean, the things that were discussed last night were obviously, you know, just literally distributing the 2500 in the best most equitable way to, you know, for closed captioning ASL and just starting that, just getting that process started. So I would actually want to explicitly know that, you know, this council had sort of empowered the subcommittee to make those arrangements with people and, and, you know, for them to, I guess they would send their bills to City Hall is, is how that would work, I guess. Well, I think they'd have to go to the treasurer who then takes them to City Hall. Okay. So, so when we, when we set up with the vendor, we would literally tell them, hey, you know, reach out to the Amherstown treasurer and that's bill arrange payment through there. Or would we pay straight ahead? Would we be paying for them? They'd need to reach out to Robin, the ACC treasurer. Our treasurer. Yeah. Okay, to Robin. And I would assume they could use the same MCC reimbursement form that they use for the project grants. And then they, the person who's getting the money has to submit invoices from their vendors. And then they get reimbursed. So it's all on a reimbursement. Okay. Well, now, that's actually, that raises a question. So, my thinking was that this for, for this year, at least, it makes more sense for us as a council to find the, learn the dates from our grantees, give those dates to the contractor, to do the accessibility work, and for us to pay the contractor directly, as opposed to trying to run it through the artists and sub-subcontract through them. And maybe in the future, you know, we can, we can ask artists to do this on their own. But this year it feels a little, it's already, it already feels a little wild and woolly just to make it all happen. Well, it is pretty wild. Introducing, yeah, I wouldn't want to send a letter that says, hey, we want you to do all this accessibility stuff. And hey, you get to pay for it up front. Yeah, you get to fork over all the cash. Yeah. So, so the process would be one of our committee members approaching, I think it's, it's better one-on-one and maybe a phone conversation to really explain what's up. Yeah. And then, and then go to writing so that things are documented. But so the process would be one contact. And then, you know, there's probably no real reason to find multiple providers of these services beyond what you've done already, Matt, unless you really think there's a lot out there. Well, there are a lot out there. And I also am sensitive to procurement rules. And I don't know if there is anything within that domain. I hate to even say it without Robin here, but you know, I can answer that would be a service. You can answer that. Of course you can. It wouldn't fall under the procurement is, is it would have to be above 2500 for any one vendor. So we'd be fine. And also, I think that there's a way that we can have the vendors submit their invoices to us and the town can pay them so that the council doesn't have to do it. But I will double check that and find that out. Oh, that'd be great. That would be great. So then the other piece, the other piece that I just wanted to check in on was, you know, I think I'm not sure who it was. I think it was either Leah or Sydney yesterday said, well, if we're doing this, you know, we should, we should, we should get some press. And if we get some press, we should be able to get some money. So I'm bringing us back to the conversation of, you know, are we ready to take donations yet? Right. So I wrote to Paul Backelman and he has not answered no. Which is a good thing, right? I think usually he's very proactive, but this vaccine rollout has been so bumpy that I think Town Hall is on the skids from it. Did you ask about the, you mean the property tax checkbox? I asked about, I asked about GoFundMe, I think, and the property tax thing, or a slip of paper that went out with tax bills, but somehow getting something started. I have a quick question about all of this. We are not a, we're a non-profit, right? We're not really incorporated in any way. Right. So a lot of the things I could find, I looked into this briefly, the ones that are geared towards charities require you to have, to be registered with the IRS. So you wouldn't be able to use most of those. And I think that rolls out Facebook and GoFundMe charity, but not necessarily the GoFundMe for individuals. I don't know how that would work though. Can I speak to that again? So I can get the IRS information so that we can use that, if that's an avenue you want to go. Cool. The one thing I thought, and it may have been you, Cole, at a last meeting, somebody raised the concern that, you know, are we doing this on a project, are we treating it as though it was a project? And personally, I think we should. I think we should treat, you know, FY22 as a project, a GoFundMe project and set a goal and say, we want to match, we want to locally match the state award in FY22. And that's, or whatever, you know, some kind of ambitious fundraising goal and use GoFundMe that way. But I think, you know, there's a very valid like question of would something like PayPal, you know, would some other more just straight transactional thing that doesn't have the whole project aspect to it, would that be more straightforward if we just had a PayPal or a Venmo link and people just, oh, I want to donate some money and they Venmo it and they get a receipt. So that's that for me, that's where kind of the decision point lies. I don't really know what my preference is, to be honest. And is that going to be rolled out at a later stage after the grants have been made? Or is that going to happen simultaneously? I guess my question is, is the accessibility fund that we have set aside, is that going to be made available to the entire group of people who have, whose grants applications have been accepted, right? Is that here we have this pot of money for accessibility? Or are we targeting specific projects that might be most suited? So I guess I don't understand, like, you know, if the subcommittee is going to be targeting specific projects. The cart and the horse there is that this accessibility work is something that can drive public relations. So maybe some new, it's just a nice thing to highlight. And then when we highlight that in the public, it would be nice once we have people's attention to then ask them for money. So, so really, the, the donations are not in any direct way connected to the accessibility funds. It's just that this is one more way in which we can solicit, you know, I don't know, motivate the solicitation. Okay, so that's kind of like a part of the process. Then I guess the question still is, would you, as the subcommittee approach specific targeted grantees for the accessibility, or is it going to be a blanket blanket, you know, we don't have enough for a blanket. So I think the subcommittee should take a look at the funded projects as Matt has already done and pick the ones for which you think the accessibility would be best. And target create a list of preferences and start at the top and work down until you've used up approximately $2,500. And if you go over a little bit, that's, that's all right, because we have about $9,000 in an account. I guess what would be great is if, so I can't, we can't really announce any grants until the letters have gone out, which means they and they can't go out until this two week denial period is over. So, you know, at some point I'll, you know, be happy to write, you know, PR piece about the funds that, you know, we've allocated or the projects that we're supporting. And if, and then in that, in that kind of PR piece, I can mention that we've allocated $2,500 to support closed captioning and, you know, signing for certain projects and see what happens. I was actually thinking, I mean, the press, we put the time into the press release, and for some reason it didn't get in. I was going to say that we might want to just track down, not Mezback, but there's another, somebody at the Gazette who just wrote a piece on the Mass Cultural Council distribution of grants. I would just say calling him or emailing him. Steve Fart. You know, I mean, sometimes the first I forget the name, I would have to go look it up. But, but my point being, you know, that not sometimes reporters just prefer to sort of find their own story and as opposed to giving them a press release on something. Because I hate to spend the time to write another press release. It doesn't go anywhere. I know that's. But in any event. Another idea would be to reach out whatever local chapter we have for Americans with disabilities, the ADA and let them know that we're, you know, trying to nurture this in the community. And it might be that their PR group actually co-authors a press release and that they issue it and it gets more attention. Is there such a group? I mean, do they are there? That's a lot. I don't know if they do local stuff. Because they already have all the press contacts in their system. So it would just be a lot more straightforward. So no, I totally agree with that approach. Okay. So in any event though, can we, can we figure out the fundraising vehicle itself? Like how are we going to get the money? I think we almost need a fundraising committee, you know, that it doesn't all have to be, you know, on, on providing, you know, access. Well, we just need a Venmo link or, you know, a Venmo link, a PayPal, just, you know, I mean, I'm looking at Cindy. What, do you know what's possible with the town or not? We've kind of, I don't, but I can find out. I mean, I can easily find out what we can do. Okay. So I mean, I could write a check right now and send it to town hall care of the council, cultural council and make a donation, you know, like we're already able to make people's money. It's just all I'm looking for is a link. Because, you know, that's simple. Yeah, I don't want to complicate. So, I mean, I've been, oh, go ahead. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. The town is very, a little bit behind on the, on the technology of that. So, but I think that because of the COVID, they've moved more online. So I'm pretty sure I can get you an answer. Okay, well, they already said we could do a GoFundMe page. So, I mean, we know that they're willing to do this. So, I mean, that we could do that now. And if we prefer to Venmo or PayPal, we could do that instead. But Yeah, I don't know that Robin talked about to Holly about the GoFundMe. So I don't know the details of that. I don't either. Yeah. But she said yes. I mean, Robin reported to us that she said yes. Right. But nothing's been paid yet. We don't have a page of GoFundMe page yet. No, okay. No, we don't. Okay. And we might as well just use that vehicle if, you know, if it's already approved. I mean, ultimately, this money is just going to go to the town, to the town's account for us to use in the next cycle. It's not anything fancy. Right. So in terms of timeframe, do we have our high school, our student council members beyond the summer? What is it? Yes, they have three-year term. Oh, good. It is three years. Okay. No, they're sophomores. Okay. And if any of them stay in Amherst for college, they can keep on trucking or work because they can have two three-year terms. Great. Okay. Excellent. Yeah. No, we've got them. Well, actually, could they be voting members when they turn, you know, on their second term? Could they come back as voting members? Well, we have a limit of nine, don't we? Well, I'm sorry, they could apply to become voting members. They could apply to become voting members. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could, I mean, when you and Sondra are, I think term ends in June, there'll be two vacancies there. Yeah. Well, is there? So, froze again. Did I freeze? No, I think Matt did. Did you have a question, Matt? Oh, I don't know. I was going to start asking questions about, you know, is there a certain age at which you, you know, you have to be a certain age to become a voting member? But I'm going to go ahead and guess the answer is no. I don't know. But anyway, I would say that it sounds like if Robin's going to be on the accessibility committee, you know, she can, she can take this kind of over the finish line and we'll get a mechanism set up. But just, you know, just so that when, when we announce the awards, if we get press about, for any reason, or no, no reason at all within our person, I can ask my grandmother to, you know, donate some money, although she would write a check. So that's a bad example. I can ask my wife to donate some money. And we have a mechanism to do so. That's all. Yeah. So the earliest that the award letters actually go out and become publicized would be the second half of February, is that correct? That would be the soonest, right? Okay. Yeah. What is your target, like target notice date for getting the letters out beyond the two week? A pure period. So let's see. Today's the 28th, 29th, 30th. If I get them out by February 1st, that means the 15th, Jenny and I can start cranking out letters. But my book manuscript is due at the press on February 19th. And, and if, if I'm woefully behind on stuff, then I won't get the letters out until after that date. So we're talking about the, really the third week, fourth week of February. Yeah. So you have a lot of time actually for the disability committee. You know, if you could set up a meeting in the next week, you could get some decisions made, you could figure out which, which proposals you think are most likely to work well. You could assign, you know, contacts for each person. So you can figure out what mechanism is in place at town hall to accept contributions. The one question I would have for the full council maybe is, if we should meet in late February, you know, after the letters go out to continue the discussion of, of having a showcase for our artists. Right. Because I think that's something we'd want to set a date for and start to, you know, lay out some of that, that thinking. Yeah, I agree. It sounds like we have just enough going on in general that, you know, we could continue with monthly meetings, just one, you know, once a month, with the whole, whole group. So we're talking about the last week of February. Yeah. So the week of February 22nd. But it sounds like there would be several topics. So there'd be whatever the accessibility committee is reporting back on. We'd want to update social media. We'd want to talk about fundraising, press releases with the general Pecha Kooch if it ever could come back. Yeah. The other thing, Julianne is, I don't know, I said, but the other thing is that we, we had our outreach committee meet a handful of times. Right. Several, several folks did a ton of work on this, especially Leah and Cole. But, but I mean, everybody contributed and, you know, have started to build, I think, a really strong social media footprint. And so I just, I want to make sure that when the grants go out, I know, I know they're ready. I mean, you know, I know that, that Leah and Cole are ready to turn that around and get, you know, get that message out there. But when the grants, you know, when those awards letters go out, we want that list, you know, we want to really take advantage of our, of our growing network and, and grow it further. But, but, you know, that timing, I think will be really, really crucial too. So I don't, I don't personally think we want to have too many subcommittee going at the same time. I feel like that's, that's a little bit of a stretch for all of us. But so I like the idea, Julianne, of just having, you know, having our social media folks report to the whole council at the end of February. And maybe, I mean, I'll just say right now that when Gigi, we would post a list of all of our awardees to the public site as well, correct? At the same time as the letters? To the, which public site? Well, like the, I guess it's a mass cultural council site, has a list of awardees. Oh yeah, they have them for each of the LCCs. Yeah. But that, does that happen at the same time that we send the letters or? Well, it's, it's, it's called the annual report. And it, yes, that's, it all happens about the same time. Okay. Yeah, because once the due date may be March 1st or the 15th, I have to go back and check. Okay. I was just going to say once that list is sort of up and in one place, that's a nice thing for us to point social media towards and, you know, build, build excitement and enthusiasm. Well, there could be some way to post the list on our town website, right? I'm sorry, I have to go right now. But if there's anything, because me and Leo were working for Instagram on the social media, that kind of thing. So I mean, you said we're meeting in February, so we can talk about it then. Okay. I'm totally open to working on that. Great. Okay. Thanks. Thanks. See ya. Bye-bye. Yes, the, the list can go on our, on our website, the town website if you want. Yeah. Cool. I have a question about, I, there was someone, I think it was Julianne, was talking about reaching out to programs with accessibility. If we're like doing all this work about accessibility, it might make sense to like reach out to people who know more about like, what like would benefit like, would like maybe closed captioning or ASL, like what would benefit that more. So is this council allowed to reach out to other groups and meet with them? Okay. In fact, I mean, I'm, I mean, Minna Kim at, at the MCC is interested in Matt's spreadsheet that he prepared. So I've sent that off. I mean, you know, she may look at it and say, Oh, well here we have a list of all of these groups that provide services to cultural organizations. I mean, there, there may well be a mother load. Well, one of the more exciting things about it, in my, in my opinion is most of these folks, when you talk to them, what they want to do is they want to bring in people who are visually impaired as user testing and pay them, you know, to do the testing and to do some of the work, bring in people who are deaf and, you know, have them review closed captioning, for example. So, you know, I think the one thing I want to really, I would like to do, I don't know if we can do it this time, but as much as we can keep the funding local and grow the local network of, you know, people with disabilities and bring them into it, that, that I think is, is one of my pri, and it's, I don't know how feasible it's going to be in a short notice, but, but that, you know, that I think should be part of our goal and, and in term, yes, absolutely tapping into other networks as well. There should be some around, I can't believe we have to invent the wheel. Well, I mean, I personally don't think Mina Kim was, was asking for that list because she had wanted to compare it to hers. Who knows? Who knows? We also have a lot of academic resources we could tap locally in terms of connecting, you know, and cultivating talent, because we could actually help, you know, build a pipeline, right, for these services, right? Hey, Rachel, you sparked an idea to me when you said academic, one local resource and a group to interview might be UMass is, what's it called when, when students have, have disabilities. It's disability. Yes, they, they have, they, they have a whole group there and they might have some ideas for us. One thing we can, I agree with Matt about trying to, if there's income opportunity for people to make locally doing this, we should support that locally, but there might also just be technology resources that we could pass along. And, and that group at UMass, they know a hell of a lot. Yeah, and I imagine they would have a lot of people there training to work in that. Yeah, so I think those are all things that we can just keep our eyes open. And someone the other night was speaking or last night was talking about, um, you know, dancers interpreting music. It wouldn't surprise me if at one of the colleges, there aren't dance courses to do that, right? I, I know, um, one of the faculty members at UMass, um, through Amherst Ballet, and I can, I can email him, he's been pretty busy, got a big grant, but I could just ask him about that or he knows for, for interest. Yeah, I think it'd be interesting. He'll know like the whole five college consortium involved. Exactly. Yeah, so I can ask the director of five college dance too. And so it's interesting because when that idea came up as doing interpretive dance for a piece, because interpretive, that's arguably its own work of art, isn't it? Yeah. So I think and you're actually, we'd be hiring another artist to interpret the work of, yeah. Just to, just to clarify, and I, and I completely, you know, we do need to tap into those university networks. I reached out to them. I use them a lot, um, professionally as interpreters for multi-language and they did not, UMass does not employ any sign language interpreters, which was very surprising to me, but, but, you know, that's not to say that, you know, various professors networks won't uncover all kinds of people. So please do, you know, please do those research. I do want to say that. We also have the Clark School up in North Hampton, right? But they don't do sign language at all. They don't anymore. They never have. They're, they teach kids to speak only. Speak. Okay. So we don't have the Clark School. It has a resource. My neighbor who lives down the street used to teach ASL at, at, oh God, where my kid went to school to, um, Pioneer Valley Performing Arts Charter School. Oh, yeah. She just retired. Did you know Ava Fradkin? No. No. Um, she's just retired and I could ask her as well. She's very hooked in with ASL. Yeah. So, so the resource that, um, for, in terms of size of network and bank for your buck, but the, the interpreting resource, um, through the Massachusetts commission for the deaf, you know, somebody who knows ASL and who is a certified interpreter, they just get their name on there. You know, that's really all it is. And then commission for the deaf is a really great network. Um, I want to make, I just want to make a point because this is, I think, interesting to me and it's something that I, I had a friend who did it years ago. Um, so, so when we talk about sign language interpreting for music and, and incorporating the dance and movement piece of it, I just want to be, it's not interpretive dance. And I, and I think it's, it's important to say what we're talking about are people who are professional ASL interpreters, sign language interpreters, um, who will, who will demonstrate the music. But I think interpretive dance and, and, you know, that's something, that's an art form that artists do. This is interpretation. So really their goal is to not interpret in the same sense of, you know, putting their own stamp on it, but to, but to be a flow through for the, which is maybe semantic, but I, I think this group can appreciate the, the, you know, the nuance. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. That's right. Yeah. Um, so looking at the last week in February, Cindy, what night, what late afternoon five to six 30 ish? Um, if it could be start at five 30, that would be easier for me, but I, I'll make whatever you need work. Okay. Well, five. What about you getting kicked out of the building? So if it's five 30, then I can leave and get home for the meeting. I see. Yeah. So any night of the week better, worse for people. I have nothing on my, in my life. Wednesday can sometimes be a problem for me, but I really don't know. So how about Thursdays in the 25th? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We'll work on that. So that's the next full council. That'll be the full. Yeah. Okay. Are we looking at starting four 30 or five? Or is that to be determined? I think five 30 to seven is what we. Oh, okay. And should we determine a few dates for the setup committee over email? Would that be easier? Why don't you set up the four of you set it up over email and link Cindy in because she'll have to be part of it too. Yeah. Yeah. We just, since we don't have Robin and Robin, you don't have here, but five 30 on the 25th for the whole. Yeah. Yeah. Great. I apologize for multi-passing during this. Yes. There's something going on over there, isn't there? It's my big, huge monitor. That's okay. That's okay. You're wonderful to be, to be with us. Leah, Nandi, and, and I'll ask you to speak for, can we invite you all to the subcommittee meeting? And then if, if any of you can come, you're welcome. And if you can't make it, then that's okay. I would definitely love to be there. Yeah. Hey. Okay. Let's adjourn. I have to go cook supper. All right. I'm going to email everybody again about Patrick Kuchia. I like your radish idea. Did you like the radish idea? It doesn't have to be anything other than just something that you love. And I have a question before. Go ahead, Julianne. Go ahead, Julianne, you. I'm done. Okay. When I just want to raise this so people can think about it and we don't need to make a decision right now because the spreadsheet that we all use to evaluate the grants was something that I kind of created not having ever gone through the grant cycle. So I think, I think at some point it would be really useful. I, you know, would be happy to set up or tweak something that might be better for next round. So at some point, you know, it'd be really great to get people's feedback on how this went and what should be improved. So I just want to put that in the agenda at some point. That's a good way. I did not know you did that. Thank you very much. The template, I just kind of like pulled out of my, you know, based on talking to everybody. And thank you so much, Julianne, for doing all the number crunching between then and now. So I think we worked really well on that from, but I think it was just something me, Matt, not knowing how did the process work to say, okay, well, if these are the criteria, how would this template work? So I think, you know, just please, maybe in February we can discuss what's going to evaluate for a better process going forward. And thank you, Matt, for doing the accessibility spreadsheet. I think that was really useful. So thank you. Okay. Meeting adjourned. Bye. Bye, everyone. Have a good week. You too. Thanks, Cindy. Take care of all. Thanks, Indy.