 Okay, good morning everybody. Welcome to BC 309. The recording is on. We're going to get our class started. Could I request somebody to please pray and then we'll start? Anybody? Or just lead us in prayer this morning? I can pray, Pastor. Go ahead, hope, please. Father, we bless you for this nice day that have lavished to us. And we are very proud of it because it is by your grace we are here. And this time I went to learn from you, O God. We ask your Holy Spirit to help us to understand your miseries. We pray for our pastor, Ashish, that I went to help him to explain to us those your willingness in our life. Father, we pray that you are going to change us through this course and that you are going to save you in a good order that you want us to reach. Thank you, Father, for each one of us who have trained the class and I ask for your Holy Spirit to help us to understand all that we're going to learn today. I pray in Jesus' name when I believe. Amen. Amen. Thank you and welcome, everyone, this morning. We are continuing this course on BC 309 Urban Church Planting. We're just going to pick up from where we stopped last week. We had one class last week where we just introduced the course and got started. We just went through a little bit about my own personal journey in starting small groups, fellowships, and so on. And then we came up until this point where we said, as we think about starting churches and ministries in our urban centers, our first priority is to be dependent on the Holy Spirit. Now, just to quickly recap or mention once again why we are doing this course. We are doing this course because globally we are seeing a movement, a migration of people towards urban centers. It could be small towns, it could be towns, or it could be large cities. People are moving. Of course, for many reasons, practical reasons, for jobs, for better access to better facilities, so on. So there is this movement of people and cities, towns are a great opportunity for us to reach people. And it also gives us opportunity to reach people from many different backgrounds because in a city, you don't have just the people from that region. Many times you have people from all over. They're right there in that city. So it's a tremendous opportunity. It is also very complex. It's very challenging because there are many variables as far as cities concerned. We'll talk about that as we progress. So there's a tremendous opportunity and this is the trend that is going to continue. There is going to be a constant movement of people towards cities. And so we as ministers of God, we need to prepare ourselves. How do we minister in cities, whether you're planting a church or any other kind of ministry that you're planning to do in an urban setting? What are some things that we have learned so that we can reach people and serve the Lord better? So the first thing we said is even though in this course we're going to be talking about all these practical things and I'm going to share with you, do this and do this and so on. And we must never forget, ultimately our dependence is on the Holy Spirit on God to work through us. Psalm 127 was one very familiar scripture. It says, if the Lord does not build the house, those who labor, they labor in vain. In other words, if God's not building it, if God's not building the work, if God is not in it, then all our efforts really will amount to nothing. Or Jesus put out the same truth, but he put it in a different way. He said, I'm the wine, you are the branches. If the branch doesn't abide in the wine, it doesn't bring forth fruit. And he said, without me you can do nothing. So both these metaphors, that of building a house or the wine and the branches are telling us that, look, in the work we do and the fruit that we bear, it's only going to come from God, our connection with God. God has to do it through us. So whatever work that God has called you to do in the city, whether to plant a church or start some other kind of ministry. And of course, if some of you are called to work in smaller settings in a town or a village or doesn't matter the same things applied there as well, our dependence is on God. And a very important thing is when we labor, we must keep in mind that our increase comes from God. In 1 Corinthians 3, 6, and 7, Paul says, one man waters, one man sows, another man waters, but God gives the increase. So we could sow, we can water, but only God can give the increase. The increase comes from God. We do our part, of course, of sowing and watering. And we must do it properly, must do it well. Do it under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. And then all increase comes from God. We depend on God for the fruit, for the growth, for the impact that comes from God. And Jesus, you know, is teaching us in John chapter 4, Jesus said, we are gathering fruit unto eternal life. John chapter 4, 35, 36, you know, we are gathering fruit for eternal life. So imagine, you know, the result of the work we do, its outcome is lasting for eternity. We are gathering fruit for eternal life. So, you know, in contrast to natural work, which of course we almost do, natural work, day-to-day work, of course, its impact is natural. Its impact is here and now. But in the spiritual work we are doing, Jesus is saying, we are going to gather fruit for eternal life, for eternity. It's going to last beyond here and now. And what the apostle Paul brings out for us in 1 Corinthians 3, 12 to 15 is, you know, when we are doing this kind of work, where we are gathering fruit for eternal life, we have to be careful how we do it. We can do it by natural means, earthly means, wood-hay and stubble. Or we can do it with divine means, with gold, silver and precious stones. And only what is from God, gold, silver, precious stones, when we build with that kind of material, that will stand the test of fire. That will be eternal. So, this is some things to keep in mind. You know, we, in this course, and I'm repeating myself here, in this course I'm going to talk, we're going to talk about all these practical things, you know. Don't forget that everything has to be done under the leadership and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, these things mean nothing. Okay. So, in 1 Corinthians 3, 12 to 15, Paul says, you know, you can build a house, you can build it with wood-hay or stubble, or you can build it with gold, silver and precious stones. The contrast is, you see, we can all build a house, but what do you use to build it? It will make all the difference. If you build it by purely natural fleshly means, it may look like a nice house, but you know, when it is tested by fire, it's all going to go away. But instead, if you build a house with divine means, with what comes from God, that will stand the test. So, in this course, we are going to discuss natural methods and means. We're going to talk about practical things that we can do. But remember, everything is subject to God working through us and the leadership of the Holy Spirit. Now, the other thing I wanted to say is that it takes wisdom. It requires wisdom to take a city. In Proverbs 21, you know, 22, it talks about a wise man, the man through his wisdom. Let me look at it. Proverbs 21, you can turn with me there if you have your Bible then. Proverbs 21, verse 22, he says, A wise man scales the city of the mighty and brings down the trusted stronghold. Proverbs 21, verse 22, A wise man scales the city of the mighty and brings down the trusted stronghold. So, it takes wisdom to capture the heart of the city and to transform the city. And it takes wisdom. So, we must look to God for wisdom, where each one of us, you know, where whichever city God has placed you, whichever area that you're working in, look to God and say, God, give me wisdom to show, for me to know how to impact my city. How can I make a difference in my city? How can I take my city, so to speak? How can I influence, you know, the community or the communities or the people in the city that you want me to impact and touch, right? So, let's just, you know, open up a little time for discussion. Let's, you know, when you and I are doing ministry and you and I are, you know, either planting a church or starting a ministry, what are the struggles that we have in trying to balance the two? That is other plans and organizing and strategizing and listening to the Holy Spirit. You know, what kind of challenges we would face or struggles we go through, right? If any of you have experienced that, feel free to share it. This is not to, it's not to, you know, judge or criticize anybody. It's more for us to learn from each other. So, you know, in your ministry, what have you found difficult in trying to balance listening to the Holy Spirit and developing strategies and ideas and so on? Anybody can share, just for us to learn, learn from each other, okay? This is not about criticizing, judging anybody. Whatever you share will be a benefit to somebody else. Okay, so I see Kennedy's thought there. Uncertainty, lack of funds, okay, that is true. All of us would think of that, you know, when we want to start something, we think about it. You know, in fact, that's a very common thing and it's definitely something we have to think about. Shrikumar, you raised your hand. Yeah, the lack of leadership, mentorship was there and there was no proper direction and a lot of, like, feeling that nothing is moving. So, that is few things which I should say. Thank you. This is very true, you know, especially as a young minister, as a young person, as you're getting ready to start a ministry you wish you had somebody to talk to and guide you and interact with and mentor you, so to speak, to kind of journey with you, help you in the process, you know, to encourage you and so on. That definitely is a very valid point. Hope you wanted to say something. Yes, Pastor, though I do not have my ministry, but I can share what I understand. I think also it gives us difficulty because we have poor intimacy with God. We do not have a good relationship with God, we say. So, we do not trust in Him because God needs us to trust Him as Abraham did. Abraham trusted God and moved from his country and he goes to a place where he didn't know and he didn't have money, he didn't have anything but he trust, he had faith, he believed God. So, what give us struggling in establishing a ministry? It is because we have, we do not know the God we saved. So, we just saved by our mind or we have passion to save God but we do not have any intimacy with God. We do not know His ways. We do not trust Him and sometimes we are afraid of trusting Him because we can face a lot of persecutions because even when we see people who now have great ministries they started very poorly and they get a lot of suffering. So, a lot of us nowadays young ministers we do not have, we do not want to suffer. We do not have, so that is what I think is the big problem even for nowadays, yeah. That is true, you know, starting something, starting a ministry is a big step of faith and it is a journey of faith, right? We, it's, there are so many unknowns and we have to take that step of faith and make the journey of faith and we can only do it if, as you said, our relationship with God is strong and that's very important, definitely. And out of that, only out of that strong relationship we can step out, good point. Harrison, please. Come on in. I've seen, for about 21, about 22, about 23 to 24, you know, thought a lot of young ministers. Another thing I've also seen is lack of teamwork. A lot of them. And where there is no organization and people tend to like, you know, show off, you know, they are, show off what they can do. Or recognizing or realizing that there's a need for teamwork. And at the end of the day you begin to ask questions, why is there no growth? What do you think of them? A lot of them. A lot of them. Good. Thank you. Yeah. So Harrison is highlighting lack of teamwork as, you know, and I think it's very valid that especially when you are starting a ministry or starting a church or any ministry whether in the city or elsewhere, it's important to be able to work with people and teamwork, you know. Sometimes, I mean, and we will talk about this as well. Sometimes it's difficult to find the right people. And sometimes even if you find the right people, you know, how do you work as a team and all those things, there's a very important, yeah, good thoughts. Anybody else? Anybody else? Asha Rani talks about a sharing here on the chat. She mentions miscommunication. And she mentioned lack of planning, not well planned. That's true. That's true. Good. Prabhakar. Prabhakar shares on the chat here questions. You know, is it from God or is it from self? Fear of facing the challenges, the ability to be consistent in this journey and also the importance of faith. Yes. All these are important, you know, points and challenges that we face. You know, as we just think about stepping out, starting something, you know, and thank you. Anyone else? Okay. So thanks, thanks to everyone for sharing. You know, all of these things are, our struggles we all face, you know, and I think not only, not only in the early stages like this, when you are starting out a ministry in the early stages, but I think even in later times in the ministry, there are many of these things come. You know, for example, just this past Saturday, we had a pastors' meeting here and we were discussing some new initiatives, you know, that we are considering and are trusting God and that, you know, the same things, you know, we go through. But of course now as a team, you know, so all of us are sitting together, maybe about 2025 of us are sitting together and we are praying and we are seeking God. You know, but similar things, you know, we want to be sure that these new initiatives in which we are going to announce to the church and invite people to participate, are these from God? Second, what about the money to do these things, you know, and then of course, we need to have a clear plan, how are we going to do it? You know, it can't be just random, it can't just happen. So, you know, so all these things, so even though, you know, we have journeyed this far, as we think about these new things, we are getting ready to move into. It's the same thing, you know, we have to come before God. Lord, we want your guidance, we want your direction. We, of course, we need the money to do it, believe God for it, and then also plan, execute well, have the right people to do it, you know, all those things. So, hopefully as we go through this course, we will learn some things and we will be able to, you know, those of you, those of us who are going to start ministries will be better positioned to start and later on, we will be able to do some things. Now, I just want to, Christopher, you have a question. Go ahead. Yes, Pastor. Actually, two questions or, you know, kind of, I guess, comments. One is in regards to, you know, the sort of ministry that happens, you know, in rural areas versus urban, and, you know, I guess the approach and the strategy, again, given by God and the guidance by God may be different. And even the, you know, the people who are going into that, into those ministries may require a different set of skills, you know, which, you know, just to get that sort of beach and, you know, that thrust into those areas. So, for example, I just, Google search on India specifically. So, India is like 69% state rural and, you know, the rest is urban. As you mentioned earlier, that, you know, this urban population, that is, sorry, this rural population that is going into the urban areas. And I guess my question or my comment is, and again, it's maybe a bigger question, you know, historically, and, you know, even the, you know, the ministries and, you know, people who went into countries how they sort of, you know, how did they get into, you know, how did they choose between rural and urban? And what were some of the things that some of the characteristics of that population that helped, you know, to make that choice? I'm not sure if I'm clearly sort of vocalizing what I'm trying to say over here. That is one point. And the other point is in the urban areas specifically and maybe I'm, you know, I'm sort of talking specifically but I know, for example, where there are, there are so many ministries, so many churches and just wanted to understand, you know, how that message possibly could, you know, make it diluted and how, you know, within a certain geography or a city, you have, you know, so many churches and they're all trying to, you know, be able to, you know, meet certain objectives and also be able to operate as ministries, you know, under the umbrella of God. So those are the two broad areas, yeah. Okay. I hope I understood your question correctly but if in case I'm going off in the wrong direction, please stop me and please correct me. I think from the, to answer your first question, you see, when initially, when missionaries would go overseas to go to, you know, developing countries, coming to India and so on, the motivation was to take the gospel to those who have not yet heard. So that was one. And secondly, it was the approach was what we would refer to as social evangelism, that is, you address their felt needs and this is something we, which will also be a part of our strategy in urban context, but you know, just going back to the missionary context, it was to address a felt need which was either medical, usually just medical, set up hospitals, educational, set up schools or homes or orphanages, you know. So the approach was you address a felt need and you genuinely care for the people and then through that, you bring them to the gospel of Jesus Christ. And in some cases, they also had to engage in language learning translation. Now, I should say in times past, that was extremely important. So language and literacy was, was, was, it's almost like the stepping stone, you know, it was a prerequisite. So when you look at missionary work in times past, the motivation was, let's take the gospel to those who have not yet heard the gospel and let's reach them through felt needs. But language, literacy, Bible translation was a necessary stepping stone. So you would, sometimes you would have, you know, people and, and, and, and, and we have ministries that are still doing this for tribes or regions in our country where the language doesn't have a script and so on. They, so they try to, you know, first learn the language so on and then bring the gospel, bring the word of God into their language. So that was the process. Now, here we are, say about 200 years later to 300 years later, since the, you know, the major missions movements. And things are slightly different because there is, there has been movement from rural to urban so on. Technology has begun to penetrate even the rural areas. So governments have set up schools, hospitals, a lot of things are there. And so today the dynamics are a little different. So when you look at India itself, and today to go set up a school in a village or it's a good thing. I'm not saying it's not needed. There are places where it's still needed. But then there are other questions, you know, today people will question, why are you setting up a school? You know, why are you setting up a hospital? So on, you know, which was not the case, you know, a hundred years ago, they would welcome schools and hospitals. Today they questioned, why are you doing it? You know, so the dynamics are different. So, but the first, that's the first part of the question. The motivation in days past, days gone by was let's reach people who have not yet been reached and use, you know, these social means to, you know, enter their communities, connect with them, build relationships, show that we love them, care for them and then, you know, and then share the gospel with them. The second question, which I'm not sure if I understood clearly, but let me try to speak something what I thought I understood was in the urban context, yes, so in a city like Bangalore, yes, there are hundreds of churches, probably, you know, maybe crossing a thousand marks as well. But the city is so big, you know, so we have, we probably have more than 15. We don't know the exact number, but let's just say, you know, more than 15 million people in Bangalore or the greater Bangalore area. And it's also very diverse, you know, we have people from different cultures, different languages, different social strata that are all here in the city. So one church cannot serve everybody, obviously, or even a hundred churches will not be able to serve everybody. We probably need thousands of churches that are serving, you know, different languages, different social strata, different, of course, different parts of the city. So that's why we need, you know, a multiplicity of churches, even churches of the same kind but located in different parts of the city to be able to reach such a densely populated region of people, right? The challenge, of course, like you pointed out, is to maintain a consistent message. You know, how do we all preach the gospel without fighting with each other and how do we all serve the same God in a way that's complimenting each other and not competing with each other? That's the big challenge from the church, within the church itself, right? So I hope I address both your questions, Christopher, and if I missed it, please let me know, yeah. Yeah, I think, yes, definitely, if we could answer the question. I think the only thing I guess I just want to add is that the profile of the people in the urban areas will obviously be different, you know, from point of view of, you know, possibly in your education and, you know, more cosmopolitan, more use of technology relative to the rural area. And also, I think, you know, they are possibly more impactful and being able to, you know, spread the good news, as well as, you know, being in a different, you know, income straight out, so to be able to manage, you know, the financial aspect, the funding and the funds too, to be able to implement, you know, some of these strategies. Yeah, so I just thought I'd like that. Yeah, that's true. And that is why I feel that urban churches also have a responsibility towards rural work, you know, because the resources, of course, are in urban centers and therefore we should be more of a giving and ascending type church or a ministry because we have access to the resources. We should be able to, you know, support the work that's happening outside the rural centers. Good point. Okay, so thank you everyone for participating. It's interesting to hear your comments and ideas and thoughts. Appreciate that. That's going to take this a little forward here. So we understand, you know, that there is a struggle here of all of us face in doing, starting a ministry, especially in the urban context, and we will hopefully in this course learn some of these things. Now, how to overcome and how to work through these challenges. Now, let's go forward. Let's start talking about church planting. And like I said last class, our focus in this course is on church planting. That means starting a local church, but things that we learn could be applied even to starting a different kind of Christian ministry. You know, it doesn't have to be a local church. It could be something else. Now, in Matthew 28, 18-20, which we are all familiar, Jesus said, you know, all authority is given unto him, unto him in heaven and earth, going therefore and make disciples of all nations. You know, baptizing, teaching them to observe all things, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I've commanded you, and lo and with you always, even to the end of the age. So Jesus told us, you know, go and make disciples of all nations. Go to the whole world, make disciples. So you and I have this commission to make disciples of all nations. Now, when Jesus gave the great commission, he didn't actually tell us how to do it. He just said, go do it, right? So then we'll have to look into the Book of Acts to see what happens. And now there was, of course, the great empowering of the Holy Spirit that came to help the early disciples go out and fulfill the great commission. So they went out preaching and so on. But what we see unfold in the Book of Acts is the establishing of local communities of believers. So this is key. This is very key, very important. And the fulfilling of the great commission. That is, there is the establishing of communities of believers, whether they went to villages, towns, or cities, wherever they went, the established communities of believers, which we call as local church, which the Bible refers to as the local church or the house of God, different terms, right? But essentially, what is a local church? It is a community of believers. That is this grouping, this coming together of these believers. Those people have made a decision to believe in Christ. And they are going in some way to share life. They're going to do things together. They're going to grow together. They're going to journey together. And they in turn are going to be, they are going to be nurtured and equipped. And they're going to continue to make more disciples in those regions and beyond. So that is what we see happening in the Book of Acts. The great commission, fulfilling the great commission results in the establishing of these communities of believers or what we would call as church plants. If you want to use a technical term, some people don't like it. It's okay. It doesn't matter. It's referring to these communities of believers. And ideally, these are self-sustaining communities. That means when the gospel, when there may be a messenger, there may be a person who comes into a city or a village or a town bringing the message of the gospel. But then the community of believers that is established there are able to continue by themselves. They're not dependent on somebody else bringing the gospel to them. It started with somebody else, but bringing the gospel to them. But then now they become self-sustaining. Leaders are being nurtured, are equipped, and the work is going on. And then they are able to make more disciples. So our objective here is this, right? A church plant is this establishing of these self-sustaining communities of believers. They are growing together as disciples of Jesus Christ. They are hosting God's presence in wherever they are. And they're influencing their region so that they can bring more people and nurture more people as disciples of Jesus, right? So that's what we're talking to, what we mean when we say church plant. What is a church plant? It's the establishing of these self-sustaining communities of believers that are growing together. They're hosting God's presence. They're influencing the region. And this whole thing keeps on happening. More people are coming to faith in Christ. They're being nurtured as disciples. And it's going on and on. And very often the influence of that community goes beyond their region. They may plant churches outside and beyond their region. Additionally, when we say self-sustaining, we mean there to be self-sustaining in leadership. That means leaders should be raised from amongst themselves. They should be self-sustaining financially. That means to whatever extent possible, money should come from amongst themselves to keep this work going in practical ways. And also they should be self-sustaining as a community, meaning it shouldn't die off with one generation. It should keep going generation after generation. The Gospel continues to abide and increase in that place. So it's going on. So these are things that we need to keep in mind as we plant churches. And I want to present this to you that when you plant a church, or in fact even if you start a Christian ministry, think in terms of doing something that's self-sustaining, that's going to continue. You know, sometimes people like they go to a place, they do ministry for two years, three years, and they leave and everything just dies out after they leave. And then you're wondering like, okay, so much investment was made in those two to three years. I'm not saying nobody was touched. Of course definitely some lives were touched, but were they thinking of just doing something for two to three years or were they thinking of establishing something that would continue for the long term? I would like to impress on us the importance of establishing something with the long term in mind. That should be our desire. Lord, if I plant a church, if I start a ministry, may it be for the long term. You know, of course there may be some things that God may want you to do temporarily, it's okay, fine. But I'm not saying that never happens, but especially when it comes to planting of churches, think long term. Think beyond yourself, beyond your lifetime. Think about establishing something in that community that will continue on to impact generations to come, right? Self-sustaining, which means leadership, financially, community-wise, they need to be able to continue for the long term. Okay, so what are the objectives we're looking at in church planting? We want to establish communities that can host God's presence. We want to be able to disciple new believers. I mean, new people are coming and they come in, they should automatically know that discipling should happen. They come into a community and people are telling them, you know, how to pray, how to read the word and how to grow in their faith and how they can get equipped themselves so that they can then become very fruitful people. You know, so it should, I use the word automatically. I mean, it should just happen as people are being brought in. They should also be influencing the region. So the church is not, you know, an isolated unit of people who are cut off from their society. No, they are people who are influencing their society. So you have to think about that when you plant a church, I also want to equip these people to influence their region. You know, if it's a city, influence the city, you know. And then additionally, we should be multiplying. We should plant more churches. Whether you're planting more churches in that same city or planting more churches in other cities, right? So in church planting, these are some of the objectives we are going after, establishing communities where the God's presence is brought into that region where people are brought to faith and disciple, where the society around is influenced and where multiplication can happen from this community to plant more churches. That's what we're going to try to seek to learn how to do, how to make this happen in a practical way. Right? So let's pause here. Tomorrow we'll talk about God's heart for cities and how we must have the heart of God for cities before we close. I wanted to see if you had any questions, any comments here so far. Any questions on this? And what our objectives are in church planting? What are we trying to do? Any questions, any thoughts? All right. So let's take a moment. I'm assuming if you're keeping quiet, me, I think you've understood it, right? There are no questions. So I think everyone is together. Shikumar, please go ahead. Yeah, thank you. Pastor, I just want to know establishing and costing God's presence. Is it preparing the believers in the Word of God and in worship, is it being set up? So it's a second, it's a latter part, meaning this community of believers, they're engaging in prayer, in worship, and in the Word. So they become a community among whom God is dwelling. Right? So we're not just gathering people for having a crowd on Sundays. We're not just gathering people for some social activity. No. We're gathering the people among whom God dwells. That happens to prayer, the worship, and the Word. Yeah. Thank you. Maggie. Maggie, your question, please. Thank you, sir. Sadia, when we establish church or plant church, we establish God's presence in the believer and in that environment. Can church and plants be regarded as a revival to a region or to a village of people who didn't know God first, and now they've received Him? Thank you, sir. It could happen and it sometimes does happen through revival where there is a movement of people. And usually it's many people into the kingdom of God in a short period of time. It could happen. But it doesn't always happen that way. Sometimes it could be one soul, two people, three people. Slowly they are being brought into the kingdom of God. And then eventually a community of believers is established. So it can happen both ways. It can happen in the sovereign move of the Holy Spirit as in a revival that sweeps many people into the kingdom of God, which is wonderful. Or it could happen in one's, two's, three's, progressively increasing. But what happens eventually in both cases, a community of believers is established where people are praying, worshipping, engaging with the word of God and becoming the house of God in that place. And God is dwelling among them, moving them. They are the carriers of God's presence in that community. Okay, hope. Your question, please. Yeah, go ahead, hope. Can I ask you a question? Hope, go ahead. Oh, sorry. Okay, it was not a question. All right, I'm blind. Okay, everyone. We'll close in prayer. And tomorrow we will talk about getting the heart of God for our cities. Or you could say towns or villages, wherever you are in the community where you are capturing the heart of God. So Kennedy's question, what is the role of outreaches and crusades in church? I think it's very important. Kennedy, it is something every church must be involved in and reaching out. The only thing is, which we will talk about later in this course, is it has to, it will change, or it varies depending on where we are doing the outreach, where we are planting the church. And we have to tailor that outreach or the crusade to where we are planting the church. For example, in the city of Bangalore, today if we want to plant a church, we would not do the traditional gospel crusade. We wouldn't do that. Maybe I would say, maybe 25, 30 years ago, having a gospel crusade in the city of Bangalore was relevant. Today, having a gospel crusade is no longer relevant. If you rent a big ground and preach the gospel, it's no longer relevant. Why? First, 90 to 95% of people who will come would already be believers. So you're not really reaching the people you want to reach. Secondly, the environment, I'm just using Bangalore City as an example. The environment here is not conducive because there's a lot of anti-conversion, anti-Christian sentiment. So the government may not even give permission for something like that. So things have changed in the last 30 years. So if somebody wants to plant a church in the city of Bangalore, today the strategies would be different. We have to look at other ways in which you penetrate and reach people in the city. But it will vary from city to city depending on what's happening. But the point is we still have to come up with strategies that can reach the multitude of people. And we'll have to, by the Holy Spirit, look for ways to do that. So let's close and pray. May I request somebody to please pray and then we will pause for today. Because we know that what we will have this morning is asking about this evening. It is not your will that you pray that we know. We thank you for the word of God. Father, we shall not just be here as others want. We shall be with them for what it all has. And here it should be. So now that every instrument we call you are using the God to make this possible. So that you will watch it through those of you who are using the God to make this possible. Father, everything that we have to do shall come to them that I hear at the end of the word. We ask that you give us grace to talk, not just to the people who go out there to ask the Father to talk to you, to those who are watching, but in a call that should be the call. Father, we shall do that to God. We see this in the Holy Spirit but not in the Holy Spirit. You are the good for God to speak to God through. You know your will, Father, that we know we can speak to God. Thank you Father for wanting us to meet with you because we appreciate you. Amen. Thank you, Harrison. Thank you, Rowan. I appreciate you joining the class. I'll see you all tomorrow. Have a good rest of the day. God bless each of you. Thank you. God bless. That's good too. See you all again. Thank you.