 Hey everyone, welcome back to the Nintendo Prime Podcast Episode 105. I am your host, as always, Nathaniel Ruffalojansk, joined to my left and your right. Bye. Eric Moore. And we are excited. We've got three big-ish topics to talk about, maybe some controversial topics, we'll see kind of how it goes. Before we get into that, you can find our podcast on iTunes, Podbean, Google Play through the Google Podcast app, NintendoPrime.net, and as always, on Patreon, through Patreon.com slash Nintendo Prime. In fact, for $20 a month, you can be on an episode of the podcast. Once per month, $10 a month, you get to actually watch us record the podcast. $5 a month, you get a day early access to the audio version. Otherwise, our podcast always goes live publicly on YouTube at 10 a.m. Central Standard Time. Now, on Mondays. Did I say Monday? Yeah. Anyways, we got some topics, man. Yeah. Yeah. First, let's get into one that feels like we're beating a dead horse. Yeah. Switch Mini, Switch Pro, Switch Something. This past week, a new report came out at Nikkei, Japanese publication, and this new report really said two, well, three things. One, the Switch Mini is, or whatever it's called, Switch Lite, whatever, will be here this fall, and it will be dockable. So you will be able to dock it. Okay. That's just what they're claiming. Yeah. Nikkei is a Japanese publication, and so they are closer to where things are being made, so who knows. I don't know if that provides any more context. They've been writing about stuff in the past, but next, this is one that's really interesting. So the more powerful Switch will be coming after the Switch Mini, so they're not really sent at the same time. We don't know what after means. It could be winter 2019, but it's probably in 2020, my assumption. But they're specifically calling a next generation Switch that will replace the current Switch. Huh. All right. Which is interesting because the Mini's not being called that, so it might replace the current Switch, but then the Mini, you could argue, replaces the current Switch, especially because it's dockable. It's just smaller. Yeah. I don't know. The point is that they are suggesting that this is a much bigger upgrade or maybe even a whole new generation of Switch. And just saying that out loud, how do you feel? Say in next-gen Switch 2020? I don't know. I don't know how you can really go next-gen Switch besides making things just more powerful. Well, that's usually what next generation is. Yeah. It's just more powerful hardware. Yeah. It's just when things are called next-gen, it's because it's usually a significant leap. Yeah. I mean, that'd be nice as long as they fix, again, some of the problems that we've caused. Well, sure. Some design things to be fixed. But I think like when I hear next-gen Switch for starters, I love technology, so I'm just tickling my fancy. But I also think the current Switch is going to be what, three years old? Yeah. A little bit over three years by the time we get to when this one might potentially be coming out. That's not very long to talk about, oh, a next-gen that replaces that. Now, if it was just a Switch Pro, that's fine. Three years in. Right. An upgrade, mid-gen upgrade. That's cool. Right, yeah. But this is like, no, not a mid-gen. An end-gen upgrade. Like, we're just done with the gen. Yeah. Yeah, that's... I wonder, though, like, I've talked in the past about how phones, right, yearly upgrades, every other year for Apple, it's like a new generation of Apple devices. I'm wondering if, instead of looking at this like a additional new generation, like the PlayStation 5 coming out, or the Xbox Two or whatever, maybe we're looking at it wrong in how we think about next-gen because a next-generation Switch, it might be a significant bump. It might be a completely custom chipset, fully backwards compatible, uses the same cartridges and all that stuff, but what if it's more like phones where it's like, okay, so this comes out and that leads to phasing out the old one. But in general, everything's probably still going to work on that old one for the next two to three years. Right. It goes out on the platform. Yeah. It just happens to be that they're not going to make that platform anymore. Yeah. I mean, that's definitely a possibility. Because the more I think about it, the more I'm like, well, that one that can make the OG Switch kind of a collector's item, especially if you have one of the special edition ones, which by the way, we're giving away one of those. The Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Bundle Edition. I linked down in the description. But I just, my thoughts on this are kind of all over the place. I'm excited, but then I'm like, I can see why people might be worried because what if it gets exclusive games. Right. And like, are they doing this because of PlayStation 5? Because we heard some specs for that. But then my whole thought process is, I don't think there is a good response for PlayStation 5 for Nintendo because PlayStation 5 is going to be using like the new Ryzen processors. It's using the new Navi GPUs with Ray Tracing and some new, I shouldn't say new SSD technology, but it's upcoming SSD technology that's, that likely supports the new PCIe 4.0 standard. That's why they're so much faster because PCIe 4.0 is going to be much faster. Right. And this all sounds great and dandy, but there's nothing you can do as a tablet to come anywhere close. So, sure, they can build one that surpasses PlayStation 4 in power and maybe get it to us for 400. Yeah. But at that point, like, but the PlayStation 5 destroys the base PlayStation 4. It'll be a bigger gap than the current PlayStation 4 and Switch has. So to me, like, it can't be a response if this is real. Because your response is, oh, hey, we're giving you a more powerful version of what you already have, but hey, by the way, it still gets wrecked and you're still not going to get third-party games. So I guess the question should be what is, what do you see as the point to release a more powerful Switch basically in your 4 of Switch? The technology is there. Sure. And as we've noted, the Switch does have its issues. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of issues, but just talking about games. Games-wise? What's the point? I don't know. Because the more powerful hardware that's affecting any of it. All the issues we talk about are little things. Right, right, right. Right. But power, that's games. Right. Directly affects games. Right, right, right. And then Nintendo games don't ever seem to need the power. Correct. The thing is, if you can somehow convince third parties that you can now run, you know, I mean, even though you can now, you can run their games to a little bit higher quality. Maybe they're looking at the quality and maybe it's just borderline on where they see their games being in the quality that they want. And maybe that's why they don't want to bring it to Switch. But if you can have just that much more power and get the quality just that much better, maybe you might see some more third-party games jump on. I mean, the most obvious reason is obviously third parties, like try to get more AAA games. And I'm just going to be honest. Like, this week we heard that Jedi fall in order. No surprise, it's not coming to Switch. No one really expected it to, but you know, they didn't announce platforms when they announced it, so you kind of hoped. But I don't know that just having a more powerful Switch is going to get us those games. Because I think part of the reason we don't get all the AAA games on Switch isn't just power. I think it's reputation. I think companies don't think their games will sell. Because the bottom line is if a company thinks their game will sell on your platform, they don't care what the hardware is. They will make it work on that platform. We're seeing this with a lot of console games now trying to go to mobile phones because they think they can get more money from a market that has billions of users. Which is understandable. You figure billions of users, you've got to be able to sell off that market. But I'm just not sure what this is supposed to mean in general. I just think that the next-gen thing is just I'm confused. Yeah. It almost feels unbelievable to be completely honest. Yeah. Mid-Gen Upgrades is something that Nintendo has done many times. Right, right, right. Yeah, for sure, for sure. They did it way back in the NES days. But this... And why are people... Like, if this is true, why are people freaking out? I don't know. The freaking out part I don't understand. That part I don't get at all, period. I think it's... Well, maybe it's because they're too used to traditional generations. I buy my system, I play everything for five to six years. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I guess so the whole, you know, if they get... if it gets console- console-exclusive games, then, yeah, I can kind of see where your panic is at. But... I don't... I don't see that happening. Then again, it is Nintendo... Well, it's not going to get Nintendo exclusive. Not like, not in their major games. Not for a while. Right. But I mean, obviously, you know, we talked about it was third parties would be the reason to create the power. Right, for sure. But if we're literally like, doesn't that feel like a Wii U situation again? Kind of. Well, hey, look, we're releasing something that's as powerful as the current gen that's being replaced in a few months. Very true. Now, granted, this is a lot more appeal than the Wii U ever did and already has an audience. Right. So that helps, but... I know you said that the power may not be a draw for third party games and that it's kind of more of a... I can't remember exactly what you said. More of a... What did you say? Short-term memory loss? Yeah. Oh, God. My short-term memory is terrible. But it... Whatever you said, my question is, do you think it's the reputation of Nintendo as well? Because what they've done to third parties in the past? Probably. I think a lot of third parties don't come because of the reputation. Like, even when you think about it, right? The NBA 2K, 18 and 19th com, FIFA 18 and 19, you know, Wolfenstein and Doom, and they've obviously sold okay enough to keep bringing more of them for now. But is that going to be true when next-gen hits? I don't know because we're not... Typically, when games are selling extremely well on a platform, the publishers tout how well the sales are doing at the quarterly reports and they're not touting how well the switch sales are doing, which tells you they're probably not doing as well as the other systems. They'll be like, oh yeah, we sold 3 million on Xbox, but like, oh yeah, it did better than expectations on Switch. What were your expectations? Right. Better than expectations? Well, it wasn't 3 million then. But the thing is though is that if it's better than expectations, that still means better than expectations. That still means it's selling better than you thought it would. Or... Isn't that a good thing? Or it's just a positive buzzword so investors don't freak out that you blew all your money on a Switch version. I mean, that's possible. But still, I see that as it's better than thought of. You know? So, which is a good thing. So, I mean, if your expectations are here and you sell here, how is that a bad thing? Because even with it being higher than expectations, if you don't see growth year over year, like NBA 2K, NBA 2K 19 so worse, why would you bring the next one? I've argued in the past, right, that like getting full AAA support on Switch would require the AAA games that do come to sell well. And to me, selling well would have to be a number you can't ignore. So, a million. A million copies. You can't ignore a million. You can ignore 500,000 if it's selling 8, 9 million on the other platform. That's a point. That 500,000 might not be worth the investment to you. But, if you're selling a million units, like Call of Duty was doing consistently and we back in the day, that's why they kept bringing every Call of Duty to we for crying out loud. Because it kept selling a million. Right. So, like, you can't ignore an audience of a million people. That's just throwing money away. Very true. But we're talking about games that aren't indie games. So, they can look at 500,000 copies of selling of anything and be like, oh, that's nothing. And then they'll look at what third party, you know, AAA game, you know, was really killing it. Oh, Autopat Traveler at 1.5 million. That didn't have a huge budget. You could argue it's not even AAA. Right. So, why invest all this money in that? We can just make smaller experiences like that that'll sell more that cost us a lot less money to make. Like Square Enix probably looks at it as, man, look at the budget on this. It's still 1.5 million. Oh, we'll port all the old Final Fantasy games over, but we're not giving you the new one. We're not giving you the full Final Fantasy 15. The amount of money it can cost us to port it compared to how many we can just sell of making another Bravely Default or another Autopat Traveler that's way cheaper. Why would we do that? Fair enough. And now, Autopat Traveler had the advantage. It was an exclusive. And obviously, at the time, when you are an exclusive to a platform, you kind of get extra advertising from the platform. Right. And that helps. Being an exclusive usually helps with sales on an individual platform because you can't buy it anywhere else. Right. But still, do you keep seeing more success stories like that? You see the Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom battles being touted as a success. And I bet you that sold more than any other AAA game that's sold on Switch, multi-platform game on Switch. You know, the only other games that perform really, really well from the AAA are more than they're free to play like Fortnite because it's free. Right. So the course is going to do well. Right. The course is going to be installed on more than half the Switches out there, which is like, you know, 15, 16, 17 million plus Switches because it's free. So... Yeah. I just worry that if Nintendo is doing a power upgrade just to get their parties, that it's not going to work. Now, will it make current third-party games run better? Sure. A lot of them use dynamic resolution, as an example. More power means it's going to run at the higher resolution more often or if not all the time. Having a little frame rate hiccups here and there, while more power will make the frame rate steadier. Right. Maybe you can hit 60 FPS on some games right now. But if it's a next-gen Switch landing next year that already by the end of that year is so far out of touch compared to what third parties are trying to do now with the new-gen systems. Right. Then what? I've argued in the past that PlayStation, as an example, a lot of third-party games that come to PlayStation 4 kept coming to PlayStation 3 for a couple of years. Sure. But if you have to down-port from that to another Switch, like you're doing two down-ports, they're not going to pay for that. Right. Especially when they have all this money invested in next-gen. And you can be like, well, that's why we need the more powerful ones for the next two years. Okay, so now maybe over the next two years we get some games, but then again, we probably won't because what's been the excuse on or the common excuse why, oh, we're getting some third-party of Mortal Kombat. Now, we went to get Mortal Kombat two years ago. Well, games aren't a three- to four-year development cycle. Okay, so we get the more powerful platform and just then they start to consider the Switch. So by the time we get that game, it's three to four years out and they're no longer making the old-school versions anymore. So now it's an next-gen exclusive. So you're in this conundrum where just releasing a more powerful Switch isn't going to get you into AAA games now. They're just going to get them in two to three years and by then, they're not even making games for PlayStation 4 anymore. Right. So that's my thing. Looking at this conundrum where I want a more powerful Switch and I want to see what Zelda can do with that kind of power. I want to see Mario and Metroid Prime and Pikmin as an example that mimics a lot of real-life objects in the game. I want to see what these games can do with more power. But Nintendo games never feel like they need that power for them to be great. They are pretty. Breath of the Wild, Odyssey. They're all prettier. HD is here with Nintendo. Thank gosh. Everything looks pretty except with Yoshi because Yoshi doesn't run in HD. But... Right. It's still... I'm just... I'm kind of miffed a little bit at... As much as I want... There's been a lot of talk around more powerful hardware. Not a lot of talk around what the hell is the point of the more power. Right. The only other thing I could think of too is that it's going to... Run the AAA third-party games that are on the Switch already. Better. Sure. Which may cause a spike in sales for the ones that are already out. No. You don't think so? No. Because those games are already out of print. Because they're not selling. The people that would be interested in those games have already bought it. So maybe they'll buy an upgraded Switch for the games they already own. But even then, that's just increasing Switch sales. That's not going to really do it for much or anyone. Like, I want a more powerful... To make it clear, I want a more powerful Switch. Give it to me now. I want it at E3. Let's play it. I want it now. But the reason I want it now is because I'm a techie. And I want to see what Nintendo can do with it. But I have been arguing for, well, six months now that Nintendo Switch is not selling because of third parties. And if it's not selling, well, I should say AAA third parties. If it's not selling because of AAA multi-platform third-party games, then why does it care about power at all? Because if that... If they're selling on the back a first party, second party, third-party exclusive contracts like Bayonetta and a whole bunch of really high-quality indie games, then why do they need more power? I mean, I'm not saying never get more power, obviously. But it's like, why? I think there's other things that could... More storage would be better. More... I don't know. That's like the one, number one thing that possibly has more storage. Right, right. I want more powerful hardware, but I just want to make sure that it's being done for a reason that makes sense. Now, if Nintendo wants to say, look, we need more powerful hardware to do a better VR experience, that's Nintendo saying, look, the Labo VR is great. We have the next step for VR, but we need more powerful platform. Oh, fine. Cool. But I don't think Nintendo is that dedicated to VR. Because I think they would have released VR as a standalone thing and not made it Labo if they wanted it to really blow up. Because you can't even... It's not even a headset. I know, but part of me is, again, wondering if they didn't shoehorn in Labo because they wanted Labo to sell better. No, no, because they showed some concepts for that's in this kit way back before Switch even came out. So, they've had Labo, and apparently they had a VR thing in the work four years ago. So they've been thinking about this for a long time. And it just became Labo. And the thing is, it's still not a headset officially because you can't wear it on your head. Right. So, officially. Right, right. People are Jerry-rigging things of course, but... I knew they would. I mean, come on. You can't tell me, oh, all the Breath of the Wilds playable on VR, but you need to hold it to your face... Face for three hours, yes. Like, they don't expect you to play for three hours, but that's the kind of game you play for three hours. Yeah, exactly. You sit down and play, you sit down and play for three hours. Actually, because it's in VR on the Switch, there's a battery life that actually has it. Possibly, yeah. Now, you say that, I'm just going to put a hole in the bottom and put a battery pack on my chest and just keep it power. There you go, there you go. Power, power. Yeah. Actually, honestly though, the next gen Switch thing, the biggest question for me is, why are you releasing the Switch Mini in the fall? Pokemon. And then, turning around and basically making it... obsolete because you have the next gen of Switch. Well, how long did we go with just a 2DS without a 2DS XL? I don't know. A long time. Long time. Years. Okay. Even though the 3DS XL existed before the 2DS did. Yeah. The reason is that the Switch Mini's meant for kids. That's the target audience is children. Yeah. A more powerful avid gamer platform is not targeting children. So that's... the logic is the Switch Mini is just replacing the 3DS, not the Switch. Fair enough. $200 entry points. Right, right. No, no, no. For sure it is. But it's going to be a baller, especially if the alternative is a $400 device. Right. No, it's... yeah, it's very true. I mean... And if they're pretty much getting the same games, at least from Nintendo they're going to do great. Yeah. So it's one of those situations where I just want to make sure... I'm all for a more powerful platform. I'm not one of those people that's scared and all my Switch is now off. I own mine from day one. I'm totally ready for a new one. I'm not one of you guys that might have just recently bought one. I literally have owned it from day one. Right. I'm ready. Right. But I want to make sure that Nintendo knows why they are making a more powerful platform. Because if... because I firmly believe they're not competing with PlayStation 4 and Xbox right now. Mm-hmm. Now, sales-wise, you can argue they are, but they're not getting the same games. Let's just be honest here. It's not getting the same games. Yes, we get some. Yes, in... I don't know, a day. We get all... Everyone's going to have, you know, Mortal Kombat 11. That's great. But we didn't get Kinder March 3. I went to the other platforms in January. We didn't get that game on Switch. It sucks. Sucks, but we didn't get it. Even though I've never played a Kingdom Hearts game. A vast majority of the triple-day platform games this year, we're not going to get. And we're not going to suddenly get them because the Switch Pro exists. Because again, two to three years to even start getting those games on the platform. And by then, they're not making those games anymore for these older platforms. So you're left in this conundrum where I don't... I honestly don't think... The next gen Switch is trying to compete with PlayStation 5 and Xbox 2, at least not directly. It's trying to compete in a... We are the hybrid, handheld home console. And we are going to own that. And no one's going to be able to beat us at it. We're going to make sure no one does it better than us. And I could see how they want to have a more powerful one come out if there was competition for them. But there's like no competition in the space they're in. No one else is doing it. There's not another portable PlayStation coming out. There's not another... No, that we know of. No, they literally said they're not doing it. Okay, so... Well, I will believe it when I never see it. So... I believe it because Sony has already said that PlayStation 5 is probably their last home console. Mm-hmm. They're going... They're looking at networking. They're looking at streaming. Yeah. That's what they're looking at. So, like, they're not looking at all us to really see even more physical hardware when we can just put our games on everything. That's the future. Get your games on everything. Yeah. So, as much as you guys might hate that future, that's kind of what we're staring at. But Nintendo's like in their own market. It's kind of like the 3DS. Vito really wasn't that relevant outside of Japan. So, 3DS is basically its own market without competition. Yeah. So, Nintendo, I think, switch, nothing does a switch. Does exactly. So, it's kind of its own thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So... Yeah, it's obvious. This is the whole thing. Now, if they had competition... Yeah. Then, don't get me wrong. There are hybrids like GDP went to stuff. Like, there's some that are out there, but there's so unpopular that it's not really a competition. Mm-hmm. I mean, that's like saying that Game Gear really posed a threat to Game Boy. It didn't. It was really cool, but it really was never a real threat. I love Game Gear. I know what you do. The point I was making, it was a really nice platform. It was another PSP, 80 million units. Woo! What a threat to Nintendo. You would think. You would think. Except that generation, the DS did 150 million. Mm-hmm. No. You think Nintendo ever felt threatened in that, Jan? Probably not. The point is that Nintendo isn't worried about it because as long as it's a handheld that also does other things, Nintendo knows we do this better than everyone. Yeah. And we have a reputation of doing this better than everyone. And I think this is a tough pill for some people to swallow because Nintendo has been advertising Switch as a home console, home console, home console, home console. And if you're a home console, obviously you're competing with other home consoles, right? Yeah. But we all know the Switch is using portable tablet hardware. Right. And because of that, and because it, when you open it in the box, you're not holding a thing you plug into your TV. You're holding a tablet. It makes you start to realize that Nintendo might be calling it a home console because of mindshare. They want people thinking of it as a home console. Right. But they know deep down. It's... Especially if the Switch is being portable only. Yeah. Like they know deep down that, dude, like it's handheld technology and nobody does it better. Right. We're just going to call it this so we can get those avid gamers to maybe try us out. But... I mean, come on. Right. No one can touch us. Right. We're just doing what we do best. Mm-hmm. So I... And that gets back to the whole, well, do we really need the new Nintendo 3DS upgrade? And to me, that's a different argument because the new Nintendo 3DS wasn't just about... It really wasn't even about getting games, you know, that we've come up before, like Xenoblade Chronicles to run on it. There's exclusive games or there's games that run better on it, but that to me was never the point of the upgrade. The point of the upgrade was Miiverse. Miiverse on the OG3DS was impossible to use, basically. You're talking, it felt like you're back on dial-up to do anything. Fun. It was bad. And the OS on the OG3DS was already slow. So then the new Nintendo 3DS comes along with this more powerful hardware and suddenly the UI is snappier. Suddenly Miiverse is actually almost as usable as it is on Wii U. Mm-hmm. Again, they had UI and base functionality of the system that needed that power for improvement. But you look at Switch, everything snappy, everything works. Not really any delays in anything besides just waiting for servers to respond. I'm actually kind of wondering if there's something Nintendo has in the backs of their minds that they wanted to do with this original Switch that they never... Well, and I've talked about that before, how maybe this Switch that we have now isn't the original vision. It has a lot of the original... I have no doubt what the Joy-Cons are is what Nintendo always wanted them to be. But I think maybe the Switch hardware isn't exactly what they wanted, but it's what they did because they needed something out at that time. Not possible with that, but then it's like now that we have it, besides fixing the numerous issues to top of like the kickstand and like the zillion things, like, yeah, you can redesign things and make a better platform, but none of that involves better hardware. So why do we need the better hardware? It doesn't seem like it would fix any base functionality of the system because the base functionality of the system doesn't feel like it needs fixing. It just needs more features. But that's software. That's not a hardware thing. Right. I mean, there's some like Ethernet port and all that, but again, that's not how powerful the system is. That's just an it's basically an additional feature. Well, that's also built-in feature. But that's also a dock feature, not an actual. Well, you would assume, I assume there'd be a redesigned dock. Maybe that's right, but presumptuous of me. Do you think it would need more? No, it shouldn't need anything more power-related for like having an Ethernet port on the dock. So I was thinking, maybe there's some, I don't know, maybe there's some feature that they just haven't announced yet that they need the more powerful. And this has been I haven't had this conversation. I've done a bunch of videos covering all the rumors and how excited I might be and what the power might be comparable to. But I've never sat there and thought like, why? What is the benefit to us as consumers? It's kind of like the upgrades of phones, right? There's pretty much year-to-year upgrades of phones. There's almost no benefit to these consumers. That's why most people, I'd like to think aren't buying a new one every year. They're waiting at least two or three before they finally see a reason to it. Usually it's because their battery is degraded. The battery's not holding as well. That's always a big one. Or it's just becoming sluggish over time, which happens. And then you want to get a new one charting. Basically the phones, these $5,000 phones are literally just failing. The physical parts are just blowing up. Yeah. And obviously, anyone that's on those two-year contracts, you just get a free phone every two years. So I look at this as a situation where I'm not sure what the purpose of the new hardware would be for. I know all of you guys are screaming obvious third party, but I'm just explaining why that won't make sense. But my question is, do you think it would hurt? Hurt third party? Yeah. No. Right. It's not going to hurt, but if it's not going to help, it, if it can't hurt, I don't see, is it? Not. It can hurt. We're not taking one thing into consideration. Let's say that they have dev units right now, and they're like, oh, cool. We're going to be mad and we're only going to bring it to this new switch, right? That means they have to forsake 40 plus million people that own the current switch. And they're not going to do that. Right. So they're going to have to now make how many versions of Madden, just to run on switch, docked and handheld with a new one. Yeah. Like, now you're talking about how third parties who are already struggling to want to bring their games over, now you're telling them, oh, but now I've got to support all these different switches, because I'm not going to not support the old switch. And then if you're like, oh, if I'm going to support the old switch, then I'm not going to do anything new with the new switch. It's just going to be the same game. Yeah. And then they're not taking advantage of the power anyway. So it's kind of like left in the same conundrum where Nintendo might take make it like, okay, they might take advantage. But of course they are, because they're the ones that made it more powerful. They got to justify the power just like they did with the new Nintendo 3DS when they ported Xenoblade over. It's like, hey. Hey, are they finally bringing skins? The OS? Themes. Themes? No. Not the wordware of anyway. It's nothing else. Hey, that's the extra powerful. They did update 8.0.0 this week. They did add a few features. Oh, yeah. There's now different ways you can sort your games. Oh, yeah. You sort by your most, you sort by playtime based on the games you played the most top to bottom. It's wrong. And it's not wrong because like, oh, I miss remembering my times. No, you can literally go on my profile and look at my times and see. It's not lining up correctly. It's not going from least to most or most to least. It's like, it's got my top three, like in the top three, but they're like all mixed up. I think one's two. I have one that I have like 35 plus hours in that should be in my top 10. It's down into 18s. Well, games that I've only played for like a half hour are up in my top 10. Yeah. And it's like, this is not working. Yeah. This is broken. Yeah. This part, all the other sorting, but this particular sorting is not working. Even my top three, they're the right three, but in the wrong order. Right. Does that matter? Nope. I mean, I guess at least to recognize that all of those are over a hundred hours. Right, right, right. Yoshi's Crafted World apparently is one of my most played games on Switch. No, it's not. I know I'm reviewing it, but it absolutely should not be one of my most played games on Switch. A more recent game I played. Yes, but. Question for you with the search function or with that sort function. Does it take into somehow for some odd weird reason, does it take time played across all profiles? No. It shouldn't. It really shouldn't. No. It shouldn't. But is that what's going on? Good question. Because I know your kids probably play a ton of Yoshi's Crafted World. My son has played a bunch. Right. And if they just leave the Switch on and walk away, that's three hours right there. No, they never just left on them out the way. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. They play till it dies. You know what I'm saying, though. Well, you know what might be a telling sign for that? Ukulele. Yeah. Where does that rank? Because my son, I think he's put a hundred hours in the ukulele. Nice. You can't even get our world warmed. He doesn't care. And Herokey. I know he's probably put like thirty hours in Herokey. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fair question. See, he doesn't care about his save. So if I delete their profiles, I wonder if that's going to change the order. Another thing you could Yeah. Yeah. Another thing you could do is just create another profile and then just play for an hour, hour and a half, two hours. Yeah. But the Switch Yeah. So that's not going to help unless something weren't really, really true. True. I think what I'll do is, because my kids don't care about their game saves. They don't even save the game most of the time. So to be honest, there's that. What you can do is I can go and wipe all the profiles and then reset up to, well, I need to reset profiles anyways because right now it's like it's like Yulia and then Aiden or mine. Yeah. But so, and do that and wipe that all that gameplay out and just see if it goes back to what it should be for just me. Right. Because I could see how they would make that mistake of, you know, It's not even a mistake. It could just be how it works. Right. Because all the profiles are there. Right. But it would, you'd figure it'd be Switch gameplay then. Not profile. I mean, Yeah. They're on Switch. I get that. But what I'm saying is is that would, you'd figure it'd be a Switch, are these all Switch sorts? Like, full Switch sorts or are they profile specific? They're not profile specific. So then, I'm wondering if it's not. Dammit, you figured it out. Maybe. All right. Let's move on to the next topic. Yeah. Because we're going to spend the whole podcast on this. Yeah. So, Phillip Muson's back. Hey. Hi. I used to be an editor at IGN. Got caught plagiarizing for the Dead Cells thing. This is like a Dead Cells review from Boonstick Gaming. Found out he plagiarized a bunch of stuff on his YouTube channel before he was hired by IGN. That just wasn't caught at the time. He called out Jason Shryer saying he's never plagiarized anything before. I dare you to find anything and then he found stuff on his channel. Internet one. Internet one. You don't dare the internet and let alone a journalist who's just calling you in your crap and offered to interview by the way and you wouldn't do it. And then issued the, I might even call it a non-apology. He literally never pretended it. Everyone else called it a non-apology but his video is not named anything about apology and he never apologized anywhere in it so it was not an apology. Right. More maybe an explanation and the explanation he originally gave was I did nothing wrong. Everybody does it. Everyone does it this way. Everyone from YouTubers to IGN to everyone does it this way. Yeah. So now I'm just getting a much crap. Poor me. I'm tired of my family getting threats. But I didn't do anything wrong so none of this is warranted and it's all your guys' fault. And that's basically the end of it. And then he tried to make other videos and all those videos got disliked bombed which by the way YouTube doesn't care for videos disliked bombed or liked bombed. It all means the same to them. So really you guys are kind of helping these videos. Which makes no sense to me whatsoever. Helping this video gets spread. That's just how it works. So I look at it as a thing. Well, my most viewed video ever as Prime has like a 42% like the dislike ratio. Didn't matter. Go ahead and dislike bomb. You're just spreading my video. That still makes no sense. Right, right, right. That's not what we're here for. So he came back finally after eight months. His last video made was about three months ago. And eight months after everything went down he finally released a two minute and 11 second apology video. In this video to his credit he finally fesses up. He fesses up to the gaming situation. He fesses up to four of his alleged plagiarism things. He's actually been accused of like a dozen or more. Right, those were probably the four biggest ones after that. But those are the ones that he was getting hammered for the most. Right, right. And it's interesting because if you're going to go out of your way to name those four you're not going to acknowledge all because then you're actually not apologizing to each person that you affected. In addition, okay moving on to show you can give him benefit of the doubt. Right. He then goes on to apologize to everyone at IGN, which of course. And then that's kind of where he leaves in. He just says all I promise never to do this again. You'll see I'm going to make nothing but original content moving forward. For starters the first reaction for me is eight months. Right. And someone said well it could have been legal reasons because maybe IGN was suing him. And I'm like this might be true. But his lawyer first thing he would have told him is not to say all the things he was saying before in the wake of it in the first place. That other non-apology video wouldn't have come out. That would not have flown with the lawyer. You can't do that. You stay silent. We take care of this before you ever speak publicly. And he wouldn't have been making content still on his channel like nothing was wrong. So still it's still a possibility. I'm sure IGN pursued something. But the point is that I don't think that legal reasons are why it took him eight months to fess up. It's a possibility and it could be just a very big possibility that he had a really crappy lawyer. It's possible. But even if we want to give him the benefit of the doubt that he couldn't fess up for eight months because of legal reasons. Right. He didn't fess up to everything. He didn't apologize to everyone. He never apologized to Jason Schreyer. God he blasted Jason Schreyer. And Jason Schreyer all these things that he admitted to were things Jason Schreyer dug up. But he never apologized to Jason Schreyer. That to me was huge. You acknowledged he was right on all of his accusations on everything extra he found. But you would not acknowledge him specifically when you specifically attacked him. Right. On Twitter when he wasn't attacking you. He was just saying what happened. Reporting the news. In addition to that you didn't apologize to all the other people you threw under the bus. You apologized to your IGN staffers. But you said everybody does it this way. You were accusing the entire industry of plagiarism. You didn't apologize to the entire industry. You apologized to the IGN. So Nintendo YouTubers that you give a bad reputation to, like me? No. I'm still waiting for an apology. I mean he did give a blanket apology at the beginning. He did say he wanted to apologize to everyone that he has hurt with this situation. It's a blanket. Sure. It covers ethnically. But yes. But then what? Specifically yes. He did not specify some of these certain people. And the thing is the only reason I said it is because he specified it in the first place. If he didn't specify who he was calling out in the first place then I wouldn't care. But he specified every reviewer does what I do. Right. You know what? I know. Then you need to apologize to everybody. You don't do it by name. You can do a blanket apology. You don't do it. But when you were half of an hour from pre-review and a month from reviewers that would have been clear. Not even not even an apology. A redaction of that statement, he's not going to redact it, it's saying my statement of I wish you would want to get that. Everyone does that. Anyone does this. You didn't address anything from that. Right, I get that. But the redaction of on it saying not I made a mistake in saying that it was he to the moment I'm sorry you know again I'm sorry not everyone does it this way so my thing with all of this is if you can't tell I'm not necessarily forgiving him right now and it's not because he didn't apologize to me I really don't give a crap he doesn't need to apologize to me he doesn't even know who I am it's fine it's because not just the too little too late idea because it's been eight months fine give him the benefit of the doubt and say apologize a lot of people the reason I found out about this is because I saw people on Twitter and everywhere I was talking about man good you know took so much courage and this and that and I'm like courage to admit something that you're already caught red-handed doing yeah courage would have been admitting to things you played your eyes that we're not aware of right you just admitted to things that were already known yes so the courage to admit that you did something that everyone already knows you did is not courageous to me it is the only thing he needed to be put it this way he wants to continue to make YouTube videos but he doesn't want them to keep getting dislike bombed I'm sure that he doesn't like that he doesn't probably like his family getting threats so for him like just a completely selfish level he has to make this video to keep making other videos and potentially get to a point where the site is like bombed anymore so it literally could all be fake just so he can start making videos again and get back to normal and use a lot of you guys might be like that's fine you know and and that's fine too right even if that's the reason I think it's better this video exists than it doesn't exist both for him and for others that want closure although there are some people like the people from Nintendo life that wrote the FIFA review that says there is absolutely no closure and I do not forgive you because you made you know a bunch of accusations towards me and my review and all you did is just acknowledge oh yeah I stole your review you didn't apologize about all the crap that you said so it feels like an apology that is being made so he can continue to make videos now I'm fine with that make videos do what you can all I will say about it is this what annoyed me is I saw all these people saying we forgive you you're awesome keep making that amazing content and I sat there and I said so wait a second I know forgiveness and trust are not the same thing okay you know you can you know I this is a dumb example I gave I gave someone on Twitter but like say my fiance goes and cheats on me or whatever I can literally be upset about it she could be remorseful she could apologize and I can accept that apology and I can maybe someday forgive her for making that mistake but doesn't mean that trust her right that has to be earned and I think trust always has to be earned I don't think you should ever just hand out trust has a benefit of that out you should not meet a new or find a new YouTube channel say you've never watched Spawn Way before and you go watch one Spawn Way video and suddenly like man I really trust this guy no what you need to watch that content for a while before this that's my viewpoint anyways right trust should always be earned not given so because that's the way it is relationships you don't just like meet someone and all of a sudden I'm gonna tell them everything all my life start to see like you don't that you don't want other people to know but you know you gotta trust them and that's built up yeah that's built up unless you're drinking and right right right yeah then you're not thinking straight but the point I'm making here is it's fine if you want to give him another chance be that person give him another chance human race is all about you know second third fourth fifth a zillion chances my only hope is that all of you guys that are saying we forgive you aren't also saying in the back of your mind we now trust everything you're doing we're gonna blindly follow you again yeah like that you're going that he's gonna release a new video and you're gonna stop checking to make sure he didn't steal it from somebody else because you know what was the worst thing about his non-apology video he made the entire format of it was stolen from another video about how did to see people into forgiving you so like he literally plagiarized again to try to manipulate people and we're just supposed to forget this happened yeah and someone's already out there trying to dig up if his format on this one was also stolen as a way to manipulate people because it was scripted but all his videos are scripted so that's yeah he does scripted video you could tell he was reading it right and I have no mind that you know obviously in a serious situation you kind of maybe want to write it down instead of trying to come from the heart because if you try to come straight from the heart you might say something stupid I know he can control it and edit it out but it makes it just a lot harder to control it's easier to be concise and professional in that manner maybe some people don't want them to be concise and there's a lot of people said two minutes to apologize for everything you did right right like people a lot of people have questions of fine you're sorry for what you did but why did you think it was okay mm-hmm still not answered why did you eat why did you think that everyone does it still not answered and you talked about well I could be a lesson for people not to take shortcuts what you did was common sense you can't steal we learn this as a kid you can't steal so like you're not a lesson for anyone what you have anything if anything you know what you know what lesson I get out of the Phil a mutant situation if you can steal the people's work and get away with it you're gonna get hired by a major publication and make lots of money and get paid for stealing people's work that's what I learned you know that's what I learned and then once you get hired but and then I'm sorry here's what I learned steal to get to a high position and then once you there stop doing it so you don't get busted right because he would have never ever got busted if he wasn't still doing it when he was at IGN mm-hmm he could have happily worked I still be working IGN if you had never did the gaming thing or any of the other works it turned out that he also played right so like it gets to this point where you're not an example of what not to do in terms of career success you're an example of how to cheat and get successful I everyone knows you shouldn't steal and yes plagiarism you know college happens everywhere but it's supposed to be once you get to that professional environment you should be doing that kind of crap you shouldn't be doing it then either but it's it's my boggling to me that he thinks that he's almost trying to turn he's not victim carding he definitely tried that the first time around right but he is trying to make it out like look I made all these mistakes I'm truly sorry use me as an example other content creators of what not to do and it's like but they know not to do this we don't need that example yeah we didn't need you to provide an example to not plagiarize that right there almost again goes under the assumption that everybody does this so use me as an example not to do this we're already not doing this yeah that's think it's already not happening for I mean it's not the majority of that's a level he was right the level he was claiming right it that's again under the assumption that everybody and now and most people like someone said in the comments on my video about it they said hey you know what's really the difference between you and him and and I said well yeah both youtubers you know you don't know if I plagiarized or not a little well but here's the difference if I did plagiarize and I was caught red handed I wouldn't say that everybody does it and I did nothing wrong I would just say I'm sorry I plagiarized I would I wouldn't take eight months to tell you the truth yeah that's the difference and I can say that because I have gotten new stories wrong and I've made mistakes and I miss quoted and this source thing sometimes and I made it to it literally within days I haven't you know the difference is I'm not busted for plagiarism and lying about it he did you know like if you want to trust him because you view him on the same level as me that's your prerogative and I'm not saying the film uses a bad guy I don't know him I have no and maybe this is why I can talk this way and I think this is why I've seen people like Dreamcast guy talk about how this is such a positive thing for him well they were friends so I don't have that personal connection to be like oh yeah I know him so I'm happy for him I'll be happy for him if he somehow turns this around and still makes a career out of doing this YouTube thing and makes a following and never steals people's content again and ends up doing a bunch of original work it's amazing and yeah I'll eventually be like you know what's kind of a nice story about how someone could make the biggest mistakes ever and bounce back and recover I think that's a nice story that can inspire some people who might make similar mistakes at some point in their life but another person brought up you know how we should just trust them because I'm like in you when you're you want to become a lawyer if they find out you plagiarized it might take you three to four years of busting your butt to get back to you past the bar and blah blah okay that's fine but he doesn't have three to four years and he hasn't done anything like my whole point is he needs to rebuild the trust don't just hand him that trust right back right watch his content enjoy it he's a very good video editor he's a lot prettier looking than me takes better care of himself but you know takes better care of his body and he in some ways is very good at scripting I suck at scripting that's why I don't script a lot of videos he's a lot better at it than me I don't know if he's better at research per se because he doesn't source anything it'll be interesting to see if he changes that moving forward since he never sourced before right but because yeah we all get information from places it's important you let people know where the information come from especially if you end up being wrong you're like okay well it came from this place now I know don't use that place and generally are culpable like if I got all my information like I'm report on a rumor and I don't tell you where it's from that makes me the source to that person watching the video because there's no yeah how would you know any of what people are saying what people right where you know how can we trust this just because you're talking like yeah right right and so there's a lot of channels that are like that so I get you I wish him luck I don't want it you know anymore attacks on his family happening I don't I don't cuz this is never called for to be his family isn't part of it you shouldn't really attack him on a personal level anyways a professional level be my guest right you know you want to keep reminding him that he's a plagiarist you want to keep bringing up the things he didn't admit to find I think that's all fair that's fair game this stuff happened publicly that's fair game private life stuff leave alone like people bringing up the fact that he used to be a used car sale man who cares who cares that has nothing to do with this that's his that's his that's his own business you let him he's probably doing that right now he's probably back at selling cars like who cares possibly you and I know many people use it as an insult but I mean hey I'm making a living like let him let him do whatever like it stay away from the personal I don't personally think any ill will on him or think that he's a bad person I don't know him all I know is when it comes to his work on YouTube he's gonna have to earn it back from me and he should have to earn it back from you even if you're the biggest Phillip Mutant Fan ever there were people defending him because he said he never did anything wrong so they were all defending him that you never did anything wrong now he's admitted to it so now everyone knows matter of fact he plagiarized yes many times because of that we need to be wary of anything in the future it's good he admitted to it but you need to don't just forgive him you can decide when you want to forgive him or when you want to trust him but make sure that it's after he's already done what you view is enough to not have to start check rechecking every video with every other outlet mm-hmm now not everyone has to do that most people aren't going to do that but there may come a time when people stop checking and that was that will be when he's rebuilt trust right well if he can for some people he'll never be able to go for sure because there are people that just hey look once a plagiarist always plagiarist yeah so and that's I mean reality is he committed one of the worst things you can do as a journalist mm-hmm and multiple times and denied it and attacked everyone else for it mm-hmm it'll literally everything he has done along the way has been the worst possible way to handle the situation until now and even then there's still questions of is it sincere or is it a career move because it's eight months it wasn't an instant fess up I screwed up it was after denying after accusing after this stuff works let's try this nothing else is worth okay you know what I'm gonna take a few few months off to give people a chance to breathe and then I'm gonna be okay hey I'm really sorry there's no excuse level like okay but like yeah that's what a PR person would say at this point right it that's kind of I'm kind of wondering if he didn't get advice from somebody well I'm sure he's got plenty of advice from a lot of people family and yeah well right whoever but like actual professional advice on kind of because it's scripted you can always wonder was it written by somebody else was it sure well I mean a lot of PR statements you get from players it's like we know your agents and other people right and that's not I mean technically it's plagiarism no that's not because they represent you right right right so that's not considered right but so yeah right wrote this form if it's represented above right right if it's literally written for him yeah to say that yes but but that's the thing people want to know that it's sincere and you can believe it's sincere and I'm not saying that it's not sincere I I'm just saying it's convenient for him in the video though I didn't get any tones of voices that made me believe it wasn't per se well that's the same Tony used it in the last video it was kind of well he didn't really use a whole lot of Tony kind of it was kind of just a flat it's a serious tone right if you watch his other videos and watch it's a serious tone and he used that the last time he did a non-apology video so it's like okay so it you're you were serious in that one you're serious in this one same tone that could just be who you are but context of it to are you acting and just bad at it the tone in the context the tone with the tone personally context of the last I know this would have been really difficult for him because he had so many people blasting him and maybe he could have had some moderators but me I think almost you should have livestreamed the apology and actually talk to people that's yeah yeah get it raw yeah it raw catch them off-guard yeah see if he actually means it yeah and that's just me because that's how I deal with it oh people aren't believing my video let's screw the stream is talking about right now all my accusers come at me let's go I'll dress you one at a time things get out of hand I have a couple mods that kind of just make the chat not be you know the toxic blowing up the talk yeah right yeah obviously but in general like you know I'm going to I want to address everyone directly you know if boomstick or anyone else wants to show up great but I'm just gonna look and like you know he could address the the tweets by the guy that said that he doesn't forgive them and like right it's just it's something that I think would have helped him I would have helped it definitely look sincere you can't fake it then right you can't fake it live right that's he's not that good of an actor he ain't faking it live when new accusations come up or people you know say all these mean he can't can't fake what he what he when he reads it what happens so that I think that is what there is that what I think could have made this sincere and he still might do it but he's never been known as a streamer really besides sponcast so I wish him luck and I hope he I hope he's for real and I hope that he makes it because like he's too good and making content I think not to make content I just I always wondered if he would have been best joining another YouTube channel and being an editor instead of being the face of the channel because he has skills that are so useful in this profession but it can't be his words I don't think at least for now he's gonna do his own stuff he's gonna try to come back and I know that but it's I don't know if it just be nice for him to try to like let's let him rebuild his reputation before we just say oh yeah he's good now everyone makes mistakes I'm like he this wasn't one mistake right we're talking about a series of mistakes over many years mm-hmm it's the same mistake repeated justifying to himself it's it's okay I mean yeah we need to then see justified and repeated time of no mistakes and doing it the right way for us to trust me again right that's all except to me if you did had years of doing this then he needs years of not doing it I think that's fair yeah all right so the last story we're gonna briefly touch on this one cuz it's it let's put it this way it makes journalism like look bad again that's what the problem with these two stories is I hate crapping on the field of the game journalism but a lot of people want me to do it because yeah they do make a lot of mistakes but so do I this mistake though is something that is borderline inexcusable mm-hmm not to explore it but right or no definitely definitely exploring this is is something that needed to be done so but here's what happened Laura Cade Dale she is a writer for Kotaku UK put up an article that accused the persona franchise in Super Smash Bros of including a song in the recent DLC that is harsh to mentally ill people we're talking about the word retarded I can't remember what the exact lyrics were that they claimed were in it because it didn't make any sense in the way that they claimed it but yeah but you know and they included the clip and sure if you listen to the clip you could infer that the word retarded is in the song right however however what wasn't done before publication is contacting the company who released the song to say hey what are the lyrics what wasn't done before researching it was was figuring out who is singing this in English it turns out it was somebody who's native Japanese so they have a thick accent right and that accent could lead to mispronunciations right and it not sounding perfect and so that's another thing like that's why some people thought that this was a maybe racist on their part for not understanding accents again you're kind of going in circles with that argument but the point is like there was no benefit of the doubt there was no attempt to confirm anything or do additional research to figure out why this might be in there because here's the thing this exact same song this is the funny thing right this exact same songs in the the persona game that was on the other platforms and no one thought anything of it it just wasn't sung by a Japanese person mm-hmm so like literally the accusation is a lyric changed for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate to have retarded this is basically what you're accusing you didn't bother to look up the song lyrics on Google you literally type in the name of the song look up the lyrics the right there you can see other versions of the song that clearly do not say it but they do say a word that if it's kind of mumbled a little bit sounds like retarded you could have easily figured this out without even contacting Alice that clearly it was just the singer with the accent yeah I mean I haven't heard a clip of it wasn't the original retardando or something there's return retardando which means to slow down yes it's a musical term yes otherwise there was another thing that said it might be retorted yeah and here's a thing this is according to Kotaku's article right so no this was that that was a Kotaku tweet yes well yeah but what they're saying is that contacted Atlas yeah Atlas didn't respond so Nintendo contacted Atlas and the Nintendo told them no it's not in there that's not the right of course they won't talk about you what the word is and it's like because you don't need them to this song is all over the internet right Google it yeah so the point is that they threw up an article making a accusation of Super Smash Bros. and the persona series so making an accusation of Atlas and Nintendo that they willfully put a song in Smash Bros. that is offensive to mentally retarded people and that my friends is the is it as bad as plagiarism it's it's up there yeah yeah you didn't like as a journalist you didn't Google it you didn't you didn't bother to by this is Kotaku this isn't me a little youtuber that won't right response this is Kotaku this is a major news source they can they have contacts obviously because they asked Atlas to answer so Nintendo they got Nintendo's attention like obviously yeah you had you could have you could have did more research and and got this story should never been published no probably not and yeah they've redacted and done this and done that and the original article still up but there's not there's a note and then go to the updated post okay they have they still don't really do a very good job apologizing because in the apology post oh my gosh it's embarrassing oh god another non-apology apology it's a it's a we were wrong but there's no button this by the way we were wrong but we don't know what the word is and we still think it kind of sounds like it so that's not an apology no you were wrong done you were done you're wrong we will never do this again yeah we will do better we care about our into I'm not trying to crap on Laura K Dale because she has been a pretty good journalist over the year yeah but when it came to this it felt like there was an agenda it and that's what sucks about this and this is why people are starting to really mistrust games journalism and it doesn't help and this is no fault of herself but it doesn't help that she is trans because people start associating you are already something that people have a problem with some people and they think that you are even more likely to push an agenda and then you do this yeah yeah but this is what I'm seeing on the internet I'm like oh no for sure it's not fair but this article wasn't fair right it gave no benefit of the doubt you didn't bother to check with anyone and you and it's not even just her fault the editor letter publish it right because it goes through an editing process someone has to check everything before it goes up right so I then I somehow sidestepped but no no no no like I said I had all these kind of every piece at Kotaku just like when I worked at Zeldin for everything had to go through me at Zeldin former everything goes through the senior editors right and then goes to go through the the step into Taylor to kind of detail it out that he literally approves of everything it's posted like there's other people that goes through but he's at the final say on it so that's why the job the editor-in-chief is you are responsible for everything so you must approve of everything and look at everything yeah it's a lot of work you don't have to do all the research so you're not gonna sort of be fact-checking it but you could easily look at this and be like why isn't she but again what why in this article didn't say that she reached out to Atlas for comment and waited for comment where's the source where why where is she so the source on this is the lyrics she's hearing in the song but where is the actual lyrics from the song yeah that are publicly available right how come where he didn't talk how it wasn't brought up why we didn't talk about this when this song came with the original game in the first place right for it because all these songs came from other persona games mm-hmm so there wasn't really a full in-depth research done now I'm not saying don't go attack lower Kate Dale no attacking doesn't solve anything no be critical yeah she didn't do enough research but mocking her like that's not gonna fix anything no what needs to happen is games journalism is kind of in this place where they kind of need to look in the mirror and start slapping themselves what are we doing mm-hmm and this isn't just hiring people who don't have journal journalism degrees there's plenty of professional journalists out there that don't have journalism degrees it's the process you have in place to currently publish an article is not good enough mm-hmm and you need to figure that out right because this is not a kind of piece of needed fact-checking this is the kind of piece that you could just look at it and tell there's not enough research done it's not ready mm-hmm and if you're going to and here's the thing another thing I think what it is you know this is a sensitive topic oh for sure so especially if you are going to make a sensitive accusation like this you better be damn well sure you've cross you have that you have it it is 100% real yeah like you cannot just you can you can do it but you shouldn't right so that I think and again this is also not entirely Laura Kate Dale's fault because the other editors should have told her this should have caught this should have been like should have told her that hey look you this is a nice start but now let's get the more facts let's actually make sure that we are the research the song quick right see what it's supposed to be Google who's singing it and I mean and try to understand the accent that's being said I mean and how other words are probably mispronounced to in this and you look at blinded by the light it's it's it's clear as day you know what it's what what one word sounds like but it's not actually what it is and that happens all the time in music yeah and in this case if the word if the original lyric is retarded on though well okay yeah obviously across across with as the artwork like even I can understand more instead of return on though I can understand more of retorted but either way that way you can understand how just with the slide accent right no for sure deal accents change lyrics or change the sound of lyrics all the time in songs but no one gets mad about it because they look up with the lyricism it's not controversial it's just not it's never kind like unless it actually is what it is so I just think that I feel bad in a sense that I feel bad for Laura in the sense that she's getting hate that it goes a little bit beyond what she should be getting critical of the work don't not critical of the person I always believe that you don't know her as a person critical of the work not the person also be critical to tackle the outlet for their process for getting articles up clearly someone failed her and failed all of us readers yes and whoever concocted that response just you can't apologize non apologize on something you are factually saying you got incorrect again you are factually incorrect don't feel it musing it again we go back to our last time I know so I honestly I mean here's the thing I should be happy this happened because this is what legitimizes people like me because can't trust game journalists so I would go to youtubers yeah trust cuz youtubers are most youtubers aren't doing this and the youtubers I do YouTube gets rid of yeah so like it's it's kind of that world where this benefits me but it I actually like game journalism right wanted to go away right a lot of the stuff I talk about comes from game journalists so I don't I think we can work together I think that a majority of game journalists are actually really good at what they do mm-hmm but and again this isn't me saying Laura Kate's not good at what she does but this is me saying that clearly Kotaku has a problem in their process of how articles are done and how they are fact checked and how they are looked at before they go live and that there's nothing in place to maybe do extra checks on a controversial topic right oh god yeah and this just furthers the narrative that the reason those extra checks don't exist is because all the clicks oh it's controversial mm-hmm and the thing is is it's one of those things that you can always apologize later no we get that we get the clicks now that we've already we've already benefit of them again more we were clicks on the apology yeah exactly it's not really untouchable right not really untouchable your company that owns you has been sold like four times in the last five years right but I mean we can throw it out there get the ton of clicks benefit from that yeah you money your face a little I mean you money your face well and it's always one of those oh if it's too bad we'll just let that person go right what are we care we got the clicks exactly that's like that's not that's not how this is supposed to work and by the way I don't think she's actually let go last I checked she hasn't been let go for that which I don't think she should be because it's not just on her it's on the entire process they have with these articles right yeah you can always point to how she should have did better and I'm sure she thinks that now she probably feels like an idiot but but I'm not giving an excuse for this happening I'm just saying that there's multiple people at fault and we need to hold the whole of kataku especially you can talk to UK in this case because I don't think Stephen DeTillo runs the cataco UK I think it just runs the US branch we need to hold them responsible for how they're doing their stuff and this is the kind of thing like I've been telling people for years that kataku's been getting better but then something like this happens it's something like the dead cells things are supposed to be getting better there's actually embarrassing oh my god I didn't bring this up there's an article a game stop are on game stop I'm not game stop gosh it's that other major game see look at this game spot I was gonna say there's an art there's an article on game spot about the PlayStation 5 specs and in the first paragraph of that article they miss put specs and technology terms like 17 times did you know the storage inside of a PlayStation 4 is an optical drive okay and they repeat that throughout the entire they consistently repeat that the storage inside PlayStation 4 is an optical drive compared to the SSD that's going to be in the PlayStation 5 okay optical drives are not storage now the CDs you can argue are storage because you have our data on them but it doesn't write to them it reads off of them and then puts it in storage mm-hmm standard 3.5 hard drives like we know what they're using so like yeah so you're they're using mechanical hard drives the right the proper term is the storage inside the PlayStation 4 is a mechanical hard drive yeah it is not an SSD it's your right that gets faster but it's not an optical drive and then all these mistakes and I'm just like why these are basic terms yeah and I know that like oh you don't even need to be a tech editor like wait an optical drive what the hell's an optical drive and go Google an optical drive oh geez yeah it's a seedy thing yeah that's not what they might assume you're right because people do insert discs it has an optical drive it does have an optical it's not a storage device and it's just right now game journalism is just taking such a hit yeah all like all the major outlets and yeah I feel bad for them but what am I I mean almost getting to the point that I don't know what else to say you guys are just you're better you are making you are making people like me relevant I shouldn't be more relevant than people that have years and years and years of experience in the tech field with access that I can only dream of right but me and my basement of my house and my homemade studio with a table with stains all over it and random gaming collection that keeps having to sell the switch games to pay bills me shouldn't be able to better cover this stuff than you but I talked about the PlayStation 5 specs on a prime news episode didn't make mistakes like this yeah it's my brain just hurts on that one I I in fact I already know that I'm gonna be making a standalone video just about what's happening game journalism in general talking about the talk to the games right like the IGN thing and by the way I'm not throwing it like individual people under the bus it's just a everything again probably what the video title is gonna be everything wrong with video game journalism well and it's not gonna cover literally everything but it'll cover enough things with enough examples that you can be like man well then I mean they can come back at you know I'm gonna yell like you know what someone's gonna do someone's gonna go dig through the old uploads on my channel and they're gonna be like oh you have a stolen video on your channel because I do I do have a stolen video so you look fully admit there's a video on my channel from like seven years ago that was a jacked video off of Kotaku I probably we jacked or I should not even we I jacked back then their Wii U video they had a Wii U video on their website that was basically just a look at the Wii U and I even put Kotaku in the article and I linked in the video title and I linked to their the article on it so I gave all the credit but technically I took their video off their website which took me a long time to figure out digging through a lot of code and I put it up on YouTube and now you might well that's plagiarism it is the reason I did it the reason that I did it wasn't because I wanted to do it it's because we wanted to show the Wii U on Zeldin former and their video was not shareable it was not embeddable and when you go to the website it was broken in half of the internet browsers I had to use like opera nope nobody uses opera I do you know to play the video properly so the thing is that being the case I didn't know what else to do to get people to view this thing so I found a way through the co-pays to find the original video file I downloaded that SOB and reuploaded it so people could actually enjoy the content Kotaku created and you actually was it when I sourced it and like that's that I put them in the title of it I'm just like I'm not trying to see I don't even think I monetize the video I didn't want you know I know I didn't monetize it so like I didn't monetize it I just wanted a way to show your work I even even when we reported on an unzeldin former I linked to you guys I just wanted people to be able to see this thing that you really cool thing that you did that you just made so hard to see on your website mm-hmm you guys should have been using YouTube back then for your video hosting but you are gonna do and I understand I tried it like private hosting and stuff it was never in that would all sucked it also so I just this is why YouTube's around and all those all those kind of hosting things aren't so yeah yeah and Kotaku to the credit that they knew I had the video because I emailed them after I put up the post and they said they said it's all good back then I don't know if they would think it's all good today but I don't think they care about that video this way it's got a lot of it's got 400,000 views yeah if they would have put it on YouTube they probably millions so again I was not I didn't make a cent off it so that that gives me peace of mind too that I didn't make any money on it so even if they're like oh take it out I'll take it out I don't get any money on it who cares but the point is is like I I could see like you you could dig through my channel and find that and I get it but you know what as I just explained there's a difference between intent mm-hmm I wanted to share theirs and they made it not possible so I made it shareable and but the biggest biggest biggest biggest thing and the biggest difference is again accreditation oh yeah accreditation and sourcing I've always I've you guys know I'm big on accreditation and sourcing regardless of where you get stuff from like even when I did when I did my video on the Phillip Musin thing linked to his video in the description mm-hmm yeah I showed his entire video in my post and commented on it and broke up the video in parts but linked in the description you guys don't have to go to his channel but hey that's what we're talking about so you need to be I you shouldn't have to search for it and it also there are things that if people didn't trust you or anything there's ways to edit things to make things look completely one way and by linking to his original video you can go see it in its entirety unedited by you on oh yeah you know I'm biased whatever and you could tell and I made it really obvious in my video too because some people were like oh why didn't you make the video full screen and stuff like that because I did it where here's the webpage here's me hitting play and pause on the video in real time but no edits and I did that because you could tell I'm not messing with the video right right right yeah for you if I had done a full screen version of the video and talked over it you don't know what I cut out exactly yeah but there's ways to spin things this is what I'm going to show the entire video of someone because it was short mm-hmm that this to me was the best most honest way to do it where you don't need to worry that I'm just jacking his video so at the end of the day I'm not saying that I'm perfect and I'll fully admit that that kataku thing was not probably the right thing to do I didn't you know I could have just not ever wrote the report on it to be honest it's all the forms that screw it I guess no one cares well obviously 400,000 people cared about it but I but but it's still I I feel like the only big difference for me yeah I don't consider myself a freaking journalist or a professional right but at the same time a youtuber I wasn't anything I was a guy working at a fan site putting up content that other fans might want to look at only other thing that you possibly could have did was wrote the thing and say well go here to look at it go here to look at it make sure you use it in this bro yeah this browser and they don't have the browser right down the link yet I mean that is always too much for hassle yeah and again I told kataku and they just said it whatever don't worry about it yeah so and maybe it's because I sourced everything because I've always been big on sourcing right always always always big means so clear I didn't like it not not my video not my video not my video not my video didn't mind like whatever I don't know so you go ahead and call me out of that if you guys want I already fast up so the bottom I can't what's the difference in philip music to me yeah you guys didn't even know about that mistake did you yeah didn't even know I'm somebody but if you go to my most popular videos you'll see it cuz it's got like over 400,000 views yeah that being said thanks for tuning in yeah it's been a lot of fun it's been a very interesting podcast a lot of serious topics I think that the theme of this podcast serious business oh no just be better just just just be better I learned from that that one everyone should learn yeah and fortunately it just feels like things are getting worse for game journalism in the US heck can argue it's probably getting worse for some youtubers too but I don't just be better like a lot of this stuff is just common sense don't steal people stuff research the things before you make really really hurtful accusations about other people or other games just go companies like I'm not saying don't report controversial things just make sure you cross your eyes and dot in your teeth make sure it's back for you yes make sure you make sure you have your ducks in a row and make sure it is because you are making accusations in the case of you know the Kotaku article you're making accusations that could hurt people you're you could make people with mental deficiencies suddenly hate smash rows when it never happened and that hurts Nintendo it hurts them because then they're being lied to so again just be better please for the sake of my livelihood actually you know what the worst you are I guess the better for me but but be better for the sake of just being better people golden roll it go golden roll it all right yeah I think we're leaving that thank you thanks for tuning in guys it's been a lot of fun catch you in the next video podcast podcast podcast yeah eat peace