 Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime. I guess this is episode 82 oh boy We have a full panel today You guys know the one and only my god is he how's it going? Yeah, I thought you meant to say we have a full six pack today. Well, I mean, okay, we do have a full six pack It's not the OG six pack. Well, it's like half of the OG six pack It's still a full six pack six pack six pack six packs of six pack Very good. I mean doing good. Yeah, I got my little friend here. This is this is not that GameCube. It's it's a cube But it's not the GameCube Yeah I'm here because I completely forgot that today was the podcast. I'm like, yeah, I forgot to tell Nate I'm gonna just look the game and then be here for a while. So I might might be here for an hour. That's all right Yeah, no, no, you're you're you're all good, buddy Next up here. We got Paul Gale network. How's it going bud? Good. How are you doing? Pretty good. You want to tell people a little bit about yourself or those of my none of who you are Yeah, I've been around the video game industry for quite a while I go back to working for gamers calm one up calm and a bit mob calm and then Did work for a shag mag along the way and PGN started here. I am That's awesome. All right next up we got Andres restart here. How's it going buddy? Good evening friends. I'm I'm doing well Feeling pretty good. I'm assuming most of our crowd knows who he is at this point for those annoying the fellow youtuber who makes Video on Nintendo And Neutral that should be natural is a good evening friends and then starting on me really like that could eat Well, then I'll just start uploading my videos a little bit later. Oh boy All right next up we got hoops and hip-hop is back on the show. How's it going buddy? It's going pretty good, man I was thinking Earlier that it's been almost a year Basically like on the nose since I was last on the yeah It was all about Pokemon legends RC. I think that's where I originally reached out I was kind of like hey, I need someone who knows Pokemon besides me and I don't really know it so As I'm just restart going to test I don't really know anything about Pokemon But uh, yeah, I'm glad to be back glad to Get to talk about some other Nintendo stuff too because I just talk about Pokemon on all the time All the time on my own channel so yeah And everyone's channels by the way guys for those that are watching the live version of this are linked down in the description If you're listening to audio, there will be a link down in the description to the video version That'll have the links to all the channels because the links break when I try to put them in there But it will link to the video so But yes, if you guys want to go follow all of these awesome people and creators and What I call Paul Gale a creator anymore is more of a I Don't know I went to your YouTube channel today and I saw I saw fitness instructions for Kit and Krista, so You know you do what you do Paul So anyways next up we got If it's gonna work here, there we go. We got uh, super metal day 64 back Hey, what's up guys? What thanks for having me on. Uh, yeah, but yeah, if you guys don't know me I cover lots of Metroid Prime Metroid stuff and tech videos Switch to hardware stuff discussion all that good stuff. That's all about it All about it All right. Oh, yes, it is live streams. He's the second channel. He does some some. Oh, yeah I have a live stream channel too. Yeah, I've been doing that a lot lately. It's a lot of fun playing games live Yes, it's it can be all right So I want to set up every episode like we do all the time and go with What have we been playing lately? We might as well start with super metal day Since I already got him up here in the future spot. How's it going buddy? What have you been playing lately? Uh, Kalisto protocol on pc The the the uh divisive game that I really enjoyed it personally. I thought it was really good It's like my style of game kind of like, you know, the very sci-fi hardcore uh, very gory and dark and I personally like the combat, you know, people had they had a problem with the combat bed personally I liked it. I thought I thought it worked well once you Learned it once you learn it and get used to the the combat how it flows You can actually really enjoy the game a lot of people had a problem with that and it first came out Of course a little buggy here and there, but overall I thought it was a really really good game one of my favorites of 2022 Um, I've been playing some dead space getting ready for dead space remake Uh, see I've played dead space all all through the first game and then I'm on my second the second game on my live channel right now So I've been playing that getting ready for dead space remake and some resin evil also for resin evil for remake And some Jedi fallen order on the side to getting ready for that game too coming in on march the Jedi survivors So yeah, that's what I've been up to and what a good year we have ahead of us, right? I know, right? Yeah Lots of good enough to play Stop playing just Nintendo this year Yeah, I'm really in time to play last year. I don't I literally don't know what I'm gonna do this year I still need to play Elden Ring Yeah The hours of your life to spend and you play that Yeah, that's the problem. It's time But it's a great game. That's that's the other problem. Like it's one of those you feel like you have to play it Right. Yeah, uh, like what have you been playing anything besides, uh, bop the covid Um, wow, I've been playing games. Um Uh, as you guys know, I bought I bought I bought a copy of um of Zelda a link between worlds Because I was I was highly recommended to me by somebody I can't remember who But um, I wanted to buy the game Physically so that I could myself Then extract it so that I can then put it on my steam deck, which by the way good news They they gave me uh, they gave me another steam deck after the first one burnt my hand Um Yeah, so it burnt your hand. Yeah, really quick. Uh, I got first team deck It was overheating a lot a lot a lot to a point But I'm like, what the heck is this? I'm like holding it like this and it just kept heating up and heating like heating up And I wasn't doing anything. I was just the main screen. I put a game in there. I'm not gonna put a game I just actually download the game, uh, that, uh, wizard ukulele game I think it was um started playing it for about five minutes and it's just started steaming. I'm like, is this the What's me doing? Uh, and then I just put it down Then I when I pick it up It was so hot in the back and actually burnt my hand thing with this hand and I even had a little blister on it Like from the back. Yeah So I didn't turn it back. I didn't turn it back on and uh contacted steam. They gave me a hard time The to exchange it. They told me oh no lower the resolution lower the frame rates lower the whatever I'm like, what am I saying on the lower? I'm literally playing an eight-bit game here and burning my hand because the You know So they they eventually found they sent me another one. I set it up before I got sick and what some some games I wasn't able to to Legally get sold out on that on there yet, but But hopefully I will May not start playing it there But yeah, but I've been not having fun with my steam back and just you know having fun There we go. Yeah, Paul Gale. What have you been playing lately? A few things that I'm trying to get through because they're started to become backlog games and I don't want them to so Uh crisis core. I'm early in that. Absolutely. Yeah Sonic frontiers. I'm still early in that. Got a war ragnarok. I'm about halfway through I just finished up ghost song, which is a fantastic indie game. I definitely recommend that one and Even though it came out a while ago I'm replaying through Dragon Ball Z Kakarot because my kids are super into Dragon Ball now. Yeah Reliving that journey and yeah, that's about it so far Oh, and I picked up Gotham Knights and I haven't even opened it On sale for so cheap. So that one's already like now black backlog, you know, yeah What can you tell me about about Kakarot that we can because I downloaded it right on xbox series x and I'm like I got into it, but I really I really couldn't get into it So what can you tell me that happens later on does it get better later on? That gets me motivated to play it I think it gets better. I mean, I liked it from the beginning But definitely as you play through it more I guess the more appreciation you have for how well they handle the story recreation That's if you're a fan of the story I think that will help propel you because You do get new moves and you can apply them to your up down left or right You could change out the ladder tier and you know focus on the kamehameha or focus on melee attacks And as you power up other characters, they become good people to swap in so You know, we're I'm rewatching the whole Dragon Ball Z anime like all nine seasons And we're farther in the anime than we are right now in the game But like we just watched this and the voice acting is so tight and the world is good And maybe you hold off a couple more weeks and play when the series x patch comes out Yeah You know because that looks Really pretty That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah Watch the series as you play also try to stay on probably when you play Do you watch the episode and won't play? That's that's what I did, you know, I played Final Fantasy 7 way back in the day But when the Final Fantasy 7 remake came out I was replaying the old one with the new and I was like just mind-blowing of This one underground tunnel with this robot arm was just one scene in the original and they made a whole giant 45 minute experience of a stage in the remake. That's crazy. And so that's kind of fun sometimes Yeah, anyway All right, uh, let's get uh Andrews restart. What are you even playing lately bud? So, um, I will say, um, I successfully Downloaded Twilight Princess HD on my Wii U. Yeah, it's true You can't you cannot purchase the game or use your credit card or each any shop card through the Wii U e shop But if you add it on your switchy shop and you've merged your accounts Those points will show up in your balance so you can go back to your Wii U e shop and download whatever game So I did manage to download Twilight Princess HD as opposed to Looking forward on ebay for like $200 like hell. Yeah, just I have it again, but only digitally So i'm gonna play that I haven't started yet though. I'm actually we're trying to finish woodmaker first But playing through that i'm almost done I don't want to spoil anything for anyone who hasn't played it yet, but i'm in the I'm in the the final third where there is those two dungeons you can do out of order and there's you know You kind of that's where you can the game like really opens up in terms of exploration. I'm there. I think it's really good one little thing I will say I was doing one of the side quests in um Windfall where it changes like every like Every little bit you do in the game like different characters show up So it's kind of like different side quests you can do in the town and I was chasing The little girl it's like breaking into the lock for the shop And what's funny is that when you're kind of following her at night She's like you because she's she's trying to sneak in and like break into To steal money from the shop. So she doesn't want anyone following her But if she hears you make a step she'll look back And then link like gets up and makes a meowing sound It's to just kind of like trick her that that's just a cat which I just Thought was hilarious. It's just you know, it's amazing playing a game It's just old but there's just so many like little nice little details that are Really fun Yeah, that's what I've been doing lately. That's we make our hd, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's one of my favorites Yeah, it's really good So good. It's it's so polished like it's Especially with the remastering like it's just it's timeless basically It's literally polished like you can see all the polish on the screen for that game Yeah, it's tiny Hoops, what are you going playing lately bud? well as the I mean as the pokemon guy and Being that time of year. I've been playing a lot of pokemon scarlet and violet And it's just now getting to the point where it's like I can kind of like Simmer down and like take a breather because I was like Full force on that game. I've been full force for a while covering it on my channel And I mean I honestly have really enjoyed it a lot. There's been a lot of like Stuff said about the game and like technical performance issues and stuff like that but in my experience. I've had like Some frame drops, but like that's really been it So I've for the most part had a smooth experience and it's honestly been a ton of fun There's a lot of things in the game that are like the best That they've been in pokemon and so it's been one of my it's kind of ascended to uh One of my like I think I've got it like in my top three. It's hard for me to like Narrow it down further from there, but yeah, I've been having a good time. How'd you feel about the um the story like that final That final main quest Yeah, so the the final so the final like climax or whatever Easily like the best ending in any pokemon game Right and and my jaw was like on the floor the whole time It was kind of goosebumps with that final fight because I thought I was it's scripted But it makes you feel like you have no chance right. Yeah, and it was just like Oh, it was just like so well put together and on it was kind of funny because I was I was kind of just trying to finish the game as quickly as I could just because I needed to get through it And so I was playing that part of the game Pretty late at night and I was kind of like Kind of dozen in and out a little bit like trying to stay awake And I hit the part where they they hit you with that big plot twist and like I instantly like woke up I was like, what did you just say? And from there I was hooked so did you feel like that like like that game Presents itself like it's giving you three paths, right? You can do whatever you want and whatever you want But all sudden it brings it all together. I think yeah Yeah, Ali is like wow everything you've been doing it no matter in what order has come to this You know, I actually feel like it's very similar to win waker actually Because like when just think about like the structure of the game There's like certain things in like not exactly right but like in win waker Like there are certain things you can kind of do At your own pace and there's like several phases of the game And then at the very end there's like this really big moment that you wouldn't expect because of the overall aesthetic of the game, right? Then you take scott and violet. There are parts of the game that it's obviously it's an open game You can do out a lot of things out of order, but it's kind of like in phases And then at the end of the game as you alluded to there's like this big moment You're like, whoa, I would never have expected this for a pokemon game and there it was So it's kind of like a an interesting similarity there and I I also really like scott and buy this by its issues Yeah, and honestly, I really loved that three story quest system too because it was like It honestly felt like I always had something fun and cool I could go do and I could always like switch it up if I was doing the gyms. I could go do the uh, I could go do the like Evil team team star quest or whatever and I thought like the pacing of that was really good. So I enjoyed that Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, man. I'm I actually really enjoyed the game myself uh the thing is I'm not actually done with it And I am frozen which is fun Speaking of on this topic very fitting Okay This camera seems to always have issues on this app. Um, did you have any freezing problems? I'm just gonna switch my camera quick I almost feel like people that had all of these jarring issues in pokemon scarlo and the violet Intentionally tried to make the game break to get there because I haven't been either but in my 15 hours of gameplay I haven't experienced anything all off-putting a couple of glitzes here and there, but I haven't fallen through anything I didn't become a helicopter as a pokemon The giant was like you could kind of break any game. So yeah, you know I've actually had that same thought myself because like I don't want to discount anyone who has had a problem with the game But everyone who I've talked to and myself. It's just been like Some frame drops some people kind of like chugging along in the background, but like Nothing that is going to Take away from your experience basically. So I Um, I I might be slightly more pessimistic than you guys on it, but I I'm still a big pokemon fan like I love it Um To me it was pretty evident that they kind of rushed the game a little bit Right, like I feel like they definitely knew that at least a couple more months to polish but Um, one of my someone like brought up to me later today like and I totally agree with it basically While there are performance issues It does impact your enjoyment But by like 1% like it doesn't really Ultimately stop you from enjoying the game. I would say but obviously it depends on the person you know for some people frame rate issues can be more drawing than you know than others and From what I've seen it can be kind there's a little bit of a randomness to it I guess right so for some people it might be worse, but I mean I I will agree There is nothing that was like absolutely breaking of the game There were maybe a couple moments where I because I like to explore a lie try to like Sometimes do what I don't think I'm supposed to do and that led to me getting stuck getting stuck a couple times And I just kind of had to like toggle My my legendary a few times to get out But otherwise like yeah, just like you know frame rate issues and things like that But I still found myself enjoying the game every time I played it Yeah, me personally. I'm not a fan of pokemon at all And I haven't played the game, but I have watched people stream the game and it um It doesn't look good or anything like that doesn't it looks like a like a wee game Like up res a little bit more and it um, which is fine, but like I don't really have any feelings about the game necessarily I just don't think it's impressive an untechnical standpoint But as far as the game being played I didn't really notice any problems with the streamers playing the game So like they were having fun with the gameplay, but like the game just they were Mentioned how bad the game looked every now and then like wow, this looks so so bad Like so low res basically a lot of the details are very low res on screen. That was really the only thing I noticed So if that's okay, if you're okay with that then you can still probably have fun with the game if you're a fan of pokemon Yeah, I'm in the I mean at least I'm in the I'm not sure if I'm a minority or but I'm happy to find other people who have actually had A really good experience of the game because I'm in that crew. I'm in the crew where I've actually had I had the best experience With the game. I'm legally blind. So if I saw a frame rate falling back So but when it comes to the game itself, I thought was beautifully built that the story was amazing The game looked great. It's an open the first fully open world pokemon game You know, um, and I played it on my large screen tv. I just I love the art style. I'm used to the art style Um, I understand there's all people who look and pick for things That that might you know and compare because I know I know there's a lot out there to compare to But when it comes to just focusing on the actual game and comparing it to the rest of the lineup I feel like this game was it was to me in my opinion was What's it? One of the best for me is it's it's in my it's in my top Also, it's my top my top five games I yeah, I haven't thought about ranking it But you know, even though it's had issues like I think it has more issues in other pokemon games I think the good stuff is better than the good stuff from previous games So like I haven't ranked it yet, but like it's definitely up there I might put I'm not sure if I would rank it like legends arcases. I feel like it's a more complete game um But just it's just the good and scouting by it is just like I would say the top of the line for the series So it's it's tough for me to rank it, but I wouldn't not recommend it for any pokemon fan Like it's a great game. I'm not a pokemon fan at all. I'm not a fan. I'm not a pokemon expert expert my daughter got me into pokemon like really With uh with uh sword and shield she got to pokemon like crazy And then I started playing with her and then she wanted to get this one So I played with a place this the one with her book with my daughter. This is our our bonding game pokemon So, you know, it I I think I joined it double just because of that and um I saw her playing. This is the thing, you know Sometimes we we as content creators We love to actually analyze games and look at the outlook. Look how they're built Look at how much how Paul has they been but when I see my daughter playing it. She's like Oh my god, daddy. This game is so beautiful and look at that over here and look at that How big this we're looking look at that waterfall They're they're so captivated, you know, they're the roblox a little You know, you don't do the kids favorite game Well, that's my point though, right like yeah, but that's the thing that they I guess and that this is why the game of sold so much and kind of broke a record the first week And even after all the issues that are coming out this game kept selling and selling and selling and selling and selling And to this day it's still in top 10s around, you know what I mean But I think about the thing about pokemon that pokemon versus like a game like sonic frontiers in the switch Yeah, I think sonic frontiers looks worse actually because it's it has a distracting It's so it looks so bad that it's like distracting like and also that the game is drawing itself in front of you On the switch and then you have the other levels where the levels look good But when you go in the open world looks terrible, but on pokemon at least you have one consistent look Yeah, yeah, mediocre or below that At least you have one type of look you're looking at it's like it's a consistency at least that people can get used to I would rather have consistent xbox 360 visuals than Something that looks amazing when I walk inside a building when I walk out. It's listen. I said, listen, this is pokemon Um, the sonic game frontiers. I was gonna skip it. I did not know if I wasn't gonna get it. All right So, you know what? Let me decide to give them. Let me let me buy it I buy it on switch Oh And then I was so upset and how exactly what you just stated I'll add how it looked on switch I spent 100 bucks and I bought an xbox series x So I had a game that I wasn't gonna spend a dime on I spent 100 bucks because I had to buy the I wanted to buy this the xbox version just to make sure that it wasn't my switch That was bad. Yeah, it was a switch. It was it was important. It's more so just distracting really. That's all it is So yeah, it was if you if you're playing a game and it's that having that much problems To like just draw the game in front of you literally sonics running the game is like loading in front of him as he runs So it's like that's his power. You know, I'm I'm good. Yeah Makes a grass grow though. That's his power There you go Literally Like like like the flash does you know, he runs inside. So he's actually watching the grass grow as he goes See, you know to be fair You guys brought up the game I was playing so that's the game I was gonna tell I guess I don't need to bring it up anymore sonic frontiers. That's I'm gonna say roblox Okay, I guess uh, so we have what's topics that gets you to get you guys obviously we're talking about nintendo drap metro prime Awesome pokemon. Maybe some hardware stuff later Uh, so let's just get into the nintendo direct stuff since it kind of sort of feels like There's something coming. There's something brewing. We expect one probably by the end of february based on the way things have been Over the last at least four years or at least through the switch era However, interestingly enough, um kind of came up on on uh yesterday's stream that I did but That's a little that's a little tiny live stream. It's not a podcast I got I got to bring uh, paul gill network up here because he apparently has a source that we might not be waiting until february something So what's what's up paul hopefully so You know when I was compiling my well the reason why I compiled the list was because of what I was Told now what I was told was just a little bit of the snippet from somebody that Expect something from nintendo sooner than later So I thought what does sooner than later mean? So I looked at the last, you know 12 years worth of the first four month of the year nintendo directs And saw that okay seven out of 12 take place on The month of february including the animal crossing one in 2020. So we've got a greater than 50 chance that one's coming february But there also is the chance that they exist in january march or april So at the very basic I thought well sooner than later could just mean It's going to be one of those january february months instead of march or april But that seems almost too obvious like most of us are expecting one to come in like early or mid february But with certain other rumors going on that, you know Metroid prime could have been ready for revealing in the fall of 2022 and wasn't Could it be the time now to have uh, this is speculation now it goes into speculation time Could there be something like a nintendo direct mini that is game focused? whether it's for metroid prime or something simpler like a A fire emblem engage specific nintendo direct which seems You know to settle expectations. That's probably the more likely of the thing if they're going to have a small little mini direct Use it as a january something or other to blast out engage it could be for something else though, but you know, do you want to go too big and overwhelm fire emblem engage or something that's Different enough and farther enough in advance that it's not competing different art style different type of game like No one's going to mistake donkey kong for fire emblem. So do they show us donkey kong? No, i'm i'm saying, you know, probably not but Is that their strategy or does the whole thing just mean? No, it's expected in the first two months not the last two but my interpretation was Don't be too surprised if we get something small in january and potentially also in february That's kind of how i inferred Yeah, but I don't I don't know and we were talking like what about golden eye is golden eye big enough to have its own just mini direct presentation or is that just oh, it's a twitter drop obviously nintendo knows people have been looking forward to this one for a long time I don't know. Yeah, I don't know This is this is just my own logic, right? But my logic would dictate that there's no way we get a direct mini this month and I only say that because Tuesday kingdom is coming out in may right? I don't see nintendo giving us a direct mini that has zelda in it Like if if Tuesday kingdom is in it, it's no longer a mini in my eyes, right? So then do they give us a mini without talking about zelda even though it's coming out in may Which I also don't really see happening. So Either a we get a general direct earlier than expected or it's to your point like a game specific direct like for fire emblem Which I could see happening or that's a safer bet This super super crazy optimistic pipe dream. They give us a metroid direct, but that's just me like Dreaming upon dreaming. I don't expect that at all. You know, I To give you a smidge of expectation on that there is that reddit rumor There's actually a ton of rumors right now But there's this reddit rumor from a supposed person that has a hundred percent track record That said uh, and he's very cryptic and you have to read the words. He says are what give it away And he basically said are you primed and ready and every time he says something? It's something that happens within two weeks Um, and he's now deleted his account because one of the moderators of the gaming and leeks subreddit to post it about it Because it's all through dms Because he put his username out there. He instantly deleted his account after that post went up. They were in my live stream the other day Yeah, yeah, the reddit user. Yeah so like Is there some metroid prime stuff potentially coming soon and then again like a paul gayle that works as soon I don't know who his sources by the way. All I know is we were told soon for golden eye in september It's been three months I don't think there's there's going to be a nintendo direct in january We have this conversation every single year But it's gonna be january June And september we be out to me So basically that's what I believe in february june september I am with paul gayle because I went to the back. I went to research and I saw Internet direct minis, but they were third party games that could be be possible We can have a direct mini but there were third party games in at the end of january then Have a full internet direct mid to end february Like, you know, you mean like a partner showcase Yeah, I remember seeing one of those red minis and then right below says uh third party games On them when I was like, yeah, they just rebranded. I'm not a partner showcases. Yeah, so a partner showcase at Towards the end of this year just to kind of throw some games out there for the rest of the year and um And then of course fill out the rest of the year in this february direct Nintendo normally at the end of february of september or september directs are to tell us about the first half of the year This direct Is to fill out the year Um, the rest of the year So we'll probably hear any game from here to the rest of the year and then you know But I would I feel is that what's gonna happen this this internet direct is that we're gonna get remakes you know There's gonna be a lot of remakes and a lot of ports because if we are truly in That final stage of now. I'm not gonna say final stage. I don't want to I don't want to scare switch users because Let me give you some some um some comfort If a new console comes out the switch is not gonna go away for at least two or three more years You know, still gonna be there. So it's gonna continue to support. Look the Wii U is still around barely But it's still around, you know, the Wii U is alive and well man. Come on You know They did stop making the Wii U Well, they stopped making it but they didn't stop supporting it. That's what I was that's what I'm saying I mean, I I guess by not shutting down the servers is still yeah. Yeah, that was also a market failure, right? It still exists until what march Something like that one or one of the shut my mouth march 2023 So, yeah, so it kind of coincides with with maybe brand new hardware coming out hopefully soon or or the announcement The You're probably the only person that I'm like, hey, they're shutting down Wii U and that's a sign It's happening But yeah, Nintendo's gonna fill out the rest of the year. I feel like metro prime 4 is going to be announced Later, but yeah The remix yeah, I mean, I'm guessing one remake is coming, right Twilight princess is coming. Here we go. See see Mike has has done this big pie dream every When waker is coming name because this is the this is the direct of ports in a remix in a remasters Okay, so if this is the direct of ports remake your masters, you can expect Um, 007 to make it to the direct as well. You know as an addition I expect it to be like a shadow drop same day drop That's just a rom though really right? Yeah, that's why no shadow drop Yeah, I can see that she being shadow dropped maybe One thing I'm gonna say that I feel like I see I see every day. Um more and more coming to an internal line Is uh, I'm I'm pretty sure you guys are not not going to agree But just because there are certain games from this same console that are being remastered remake with the game queue You mean adding it to virtual like I don't I virtual console this is not gonna this is not going to affect those games that are being remastered because they're not going to be part of it There's so many other games that could be part of Nintendo online That they don't have to remaster and still have it online for um for us to play in the game queue There's a lot of games there. So We can have a surprise addition to a new console We there's also a good possibility. We didn't touch on this earlier, but that reddit user Alluding to prime. It could very well just be amazon prime coming to That would be such a fake out He's still 100% want to troll amazon prime I do want to focus on that for a little bit, right? Because I feel like if there's anything that's kind of like suggesting we get a direct before february It's if that's true And that I mean you take with a grain of salt right because it's reddit user Maybe they just got a few lucky guesses in a row. It's hard to say for sure But I feel like the implication right like if for example, the previous thing they got right was teasing The tears of the kingdom title and they did that a day before the direct and to your point that you said There's a history of them teasing things like skyward sword warrior wear All like within a couple weeks before they were announced Well, I mean if that's all true The implication here is that whatever that primed and ready illusion is It would be alluding to something that we don't know about within the next two weeks Metroid twitter drop and I mean that's I actually could kind of see something like that though because I feel like Metroid prime If the remaster thing is happening I could almost see an antenna treating that kind of like the skyward sword hd To tears of the kingdom right like it it's announced early in the year comes out maybe mid to late summer And then about a year year and a half later. We see the big boy come out in this case be primed for Okay, okay Hoops you got any thoughts on this direct like what once it happened and what's going to be there? What's going on? What do you think? Yeah, so Beyond pokemon so now's your turn. Oh, yeah like I'm ready So my main thing as far as a direct in january that I feel like throws a wrench into the idea Is fire emblem because fire emblem isn't just some kind of like throwaway title It's it's pretty like prestigious. I would say especially because it's not like a it's not a re-release. It's not a port It's a brand new one. So I feel like they're not gonna do They would most likely not do a direct that has Metroid prime or Zelda In the vicinity of this game coming out because they don't want to cannibalize the attention That they want fire emblem to get so I can't remember exactly what the release date is But the only way I could see it happening is if it was like a week or two after fire emblem comes There's time because it comes out the 20th. So it could do it a week later technically So like yeah, like I could I could maybe see like 28th or 29th whatever because they have done that before with Games like I don't know they've done it with several games where they'll have their Like whatever it is like splatoon or something of that upper echelon come out and they'll sort of recap it in the direct to still like get people's attention on it and Get it in front of people and then they'll sort of uh Move on with like that one final announcement and that'll be the Zelda the Metroid or whatever Yeah Yeah, I mean that's That that is definitely the way they have done some things before Uh, did do you have any like? I don't know maybe predictions. Um, um some games you'd like to see in this direct oops Uh, well I think whenever we do get a direct whether it's january or february. I feel like Zelda's got to be there just because we know so little and we can't Use the classic excuse of oh, they're gonna save it for e3 because by the time e3 comes around It's gonna be out Yeah, and and we're kind of running out of time to sort of like have it in a direct and talk about it and things like that So I feel like that will be the focus Um, I also agree with you guys that like Metroid has got to be coming. I just I'm not sure like where it fits in because Zelda's going to become the focus and it's kind of the same thing that I was talking about with fire emblem where You don't want to like do both at the same time and sort of have one overshadow the other So I feel like if Metroid is going to happen, it's probably going to be more in the uh holiday ish time frame like november or october And it's gonna it would be the e3 game because then zelda's out at that point and Yeah, yeah, it's like that core centric kind of game that a lot of like Fan, I think a lot of a lot of metron zelda fans kind of aligned a little bit Yeah, that makes sense I see like like a tease and then all of a sudden give it give metron prime for its own stage to you know Yeah, sometimes when I like trying to describe prime to like casuals. I'm like it's space zelda in first person On casual casual Well, honestly, I'm expecting I am a person who hasn't really played a lot of metroid But I've been following what's been going on with prime four and the redevelopment and they've just been like throwing The wall at this game in terms of hiring Super prestigious people like pulling people from call of duty and all this stuff and so I'm expecting a lot when we get it And that's kind of what makes me think it's going they're going to give it that attention and that like prime time slot because It feels like they're taking it seriously Yep, I agree Yeah, Dave, you got you got some thoughts here on this direct business Yeah, if a direct happens, it'll either be Like next week or like in february like I don't think they'll I don't think they'll try to like do it at the same time that Fire emblem comes out like like you guys are saying so Either in the next couple weeks or they're gonna wait till early february somewhere around there if they if they do that But yeah, they're they're unpredictable really like you got people who who have been wrong with these direct things For the past, you know, like three years now as far as trying to predict when it's gonna happen And you know time range is always like, you know, yeah, of course Do they always have a direct in early of the you know the year? Yes Do they have a direct in the summer? Yes. Do they have a direct in september? Yes So it's like you can kind of count on those things happening So as far as what they're going to show we don't know for sure But like if they if they are serious about bringing out metroid prime Like some of the rumors are indicating and we've been hearing about metroid prime remaster for the past four Four plus years. So if they are finally going to do it, this probably would be the time to do it And also metroid is is is a different type of game than zelda So if they are planning of some type of hardware announcement this year or to be released next year even Having a graphically intense game like metroid prime 4 to be ready for that would make a lot more sense Obviously and getting this game out now as a remaster Before they do that Is it's great because the metroid fans are different from the zelda fans So they have they got to sell more than just zelda. They have other other games to sell to you So I think there's a good chance that we have both this year metroid prime remaster plus of course zelda And honestly part of me is kind of like Like I know the switch is the switch but part of me is kind of expecting Metroid to be sort of more graphically intense because like we said they're they're pulling Call of Duty developers and charted and all of these other games that are like that. So It stands to reason that they're trying to like shift in that direction in terms of the vision for the game. Yeah Yep, and retro studios have been quiet for since donkey con country tropical tropical freeze in 2014 So it's been almost 10 years. So retro studios isn't going to come out with something that just looks Like pokemon But yeah, it's just like one of those things where they're very focused on intensive Graphically intensive games they've always had been and they even say so in their job When you look on their job descriptions of what they are as a company they focus on next generation Nintendo cutting edge next generation to the hardware. That's that's that's their Words that they say themselves. So they expect something impressive basically if they show something. So we're just waiting to see it You know something I just want to add Because I mean I think we all fully expect prime 4 is going to be like some sort of cross platform release Right. It's like it's not going to just be for switch like there's like almost no way that happens at this point But like with prime remaster I kind of am looking forward to seeing it for switch because Prime 4 probably is being developed with also the next system in mind Like I kind of want to see what retro studios can do when they're just thinking about the switch itself And for what we've heard of the rumors like prime remaster isn't like just like a basic remaster Like it's more of something that's a little bit significant. It's had some like dev time behind it Like I don't know like from what I've heard and I don't know right But like I feel like a good comparison might be like something like maybe xenobie product was definitive edition where they're changing A lot of things in it that make it look like a modern day game almost at least for switch standards I'm kind of see I'm kind of curious to see how retro studios can make that look really good for switch Yeah, metro prime is is primed for a console like the switch and and um and don't get me wrong I'm excited for new hardware like anyone else would be but The way the game is designed is is good for what the switch limitations are because it's They they design Open areas but not open world Because you got to have that metroid prime. You got to have that metroid door, right? And that's always going to be the loading screen basically They can do it better, of course make bigger areas But like if they do it My guess is that they're going to do metroid prime 4 similar to metroid prime 1 through 3 where they have the doors that are enclosed In open areas So it's going to be more like a god of war ragnarok where you have like an open area But it's still kind of enclosed you have like structures blocking your your vision And that's how they make that game looks so gorgeous on ps4 and ps ps5 is that they have these enclosed areas But it makes it you you think the areas are really big because they're hiding it, you know It's cleverly designed. It's not open world, but it's close enough, you know So I think they can do that with a metroid prime 4 and still have it cross platform And take advantage of what the switch can do, you know use all their tricks that they can do Obviously retro studios is not like any other developers. They got full access to the hardware And they'll have full access to their next hardware as well So they can do a lot of good things with the current hardware Maybe 720p 30 frames and like, you know 1080p 1440p 60 frames on the next hardware take on that though, right? Because you just mentioned 30 fps, but if I'm not mistaken the entire prime series has always been at 60, right? Yeah, I know I know but like that That's just something I'm throwing out there just in case like maybe they do a 720p 60 But like, you know how these these games these days have performance modes and quality modes Like I think they'll they can go that route too in the future, but we'll see Yeah, and I I honestly was thinking myself about the the possibility of having that like dual console release because we're sort of getting later on in the switches lifespan and part of me wants to say like, yeah, that would make sense because it's been so long, but also I feel like Uh Because they've invested so much into this game and because it's also metroid that needs like a hit And the switch has got like a hundred million user install base. I I almost feel like they Wouldn't or shouldn't want to kind of like split that Uh user base in half almost if they were to do a dual release and if you Kind of lean that way and think okay, then they probably will just keep it on the switch Then that kind of brings up a lot of interesting possibilities as far as like how long the switch is going to last because I mean even if they announce it this year like I I guess it could come out holiday season like we were saying but Uh, I think if it does end up being a exclusively switch title, uh, that will sort of Extend the switches life out a little bit too because I I don't feel like they're gonna drop metroid and then six months later be like Hey, here's a switch too. Like everyone forget about metroid now. You know, it's kind of funny though That's kind of what like some insiders are suggesting you're going to do is zelda though Like they're saying tears of the king will be like the last big switch game and then Afterwards tells me start talking about next gen. No, I'm I don't I'm a little that doesn't sit entirely well with me because I don't know my I I we don't know what they're gonna do, right? Um, or maybe one of you do, I don't know, but I don't But what I feel what I almost kind of have this this sense that What they're gonna do is something. It's not quite like what they've done before where they're gonna announce this next system Let's let's say within a year or so from now, right? And when it's announced I'm personally thinking this holiday just for the record, but um Yeah I feel like it's going to be like switch to But also not switched to at the same time where they can kind of hide behind the branding And it's going to play a lot of games. There's going to be a lot of like, you know Games that are they're backwards and maybe even for its compatible the system So you'll have a situation like maybe like with prime four where It's it's a switch game, but it's also a better looking running switch game on the newer version of whatever they call this next system Yeah, I think the same thing with zelda too I think the Dual-release thing will be a thing for a while even with metro prime four if if it does come out I think it will be uh A dual-release thing and I think is that with the new hardware You'll have more capabilities of cores of the the 4k Resolution will be a selling point for for a lot of people who want to play especially for metro prime Metroid fans, you know, especially maybe they'll add some type of incentives Whether you when you play it on a certain con on console as well. So those could be some points And of course the backwards compatibility. I think it's important for nintendo to not completely just Chop off a head, you know, or or it's they do dual-release because it's not 100 million There's 215 million accounts that they have I think that was that was the last number account 250 million 15 million accounts And they need to transition You know and in the president is if you recover, I never get his name, right? You know, um He's not wasn't scared. He says he's more concerned about The way they are going to transition from one console to the next the best way to do it is to Dual console if you want to release dual release I know there's a lot of third party games that will not be on switch once the next gen comes out. That's the reality But when it comes to First party games Go ahead and offer some incentives on the new games on the newer games on the new console that way you can get some people Transitioning over and then on the the on the switch Then you know have basically they say the the some kind of limitations or I can go as far as to say Go ahead and give people cloud versions of the game on the actual they already are You know what I mean? I mean, Nintendo has been working on their cloud their cloud thing and they've been improving a lot I know a lot of online stuff going going pretty well with Nintendo's with sports plays really well online I mean, I don't mean the cloud version games. I mean their online platforms when it comes to the performance Improving improve, you know, so maybe from here to that point They're working on the cloud version of the game on there and that could perform a lot better than what's out there right now But Yeah, dual dual release is important in backward because about Compatibility is important for a successful transition You know, I feel like some people might think that maybe, you know If they have games that are compatible for for both systems that that might like hinder the sales for the new system But I feel like when we take a look at sales right now and we look at correct me if I'm wrong But switchola is the best selling version of the switch right now, right? So if switchola can be the best selling version of the switch Then when they release a new or better system, it's actually like a proper next generation leap That system's still going to be the best selling system probably And they can still afford to have games coming out for both platforms so they can have more of a smoother transition similar to sony I have a scenario that whether it's likely or not. Tell me what you think part of it is Based in wishful thinking, but January 25th if i'm not mistaken this upcoming january 25th will be the four-year anniversary of the nintendo announcement that metric prime 4 Was being rebooted. So that's in exactly three weeks One scenario that I could see this is like I said on the optimistic side Is if nintendo has an update you know we're showing you for the first time metric prime 4 but to You know Satisfy you for now Here's coming out this year metric prime remake. So we get our metric prime remake confirmation Coming out this year But not disrespecting the fans that have been waiting for four years or six years really for metric prime 4 With just a drop coming in 2024. They don't necessarily say the title but If it's a dual release It could be you know, like a march or april type of game where metric prime 4 comes out as a swan song for nintendo switch capitalizing on that 140 million install based by then and as a visual powerhouse to show just how much more powerful nintendo switch 2 is over the base Maybe this one Is you know 4k 60 but on the base nintendo switch, you know, it's optimized the best that it can be If that's a 2024 game Or if it's you know nintendo switch 2 is too too far in the future not coming in 2024 Maybe it's a hey metric prime 4 coming out this fall November whatever but coming out this april metric prime remake. Is that too short of a window? so I see If there is a january something of metroid That would be wonderful because you know as a fan They can talk about poetic justice 25th of january four years to the date The stars line up nintendo might not care about the stars lining up because they have their own vision But that would just be a nice way because like natin i talked about this the other day You cannot show off metric prime first without giving any kind of update on four Because it's like okay. This is cool. But what about four we've been waiting for that one forever That would be a nice way to do it I mean you could want to say one quick thing. Yeah one quick thing There's a whole bunch of things I'm sure everyone wants to say but just one quick. They want to say first Whatever it is. Please don't title it metric prime development update because i'll probably have a heart attack Because last time that happened it wasn't good confirmed tonight In the six pack metric prime four being announced january 25th. That's what's going to go better nations force two I was honestly thinking as we're talking about this like the development update video. It's like it's honestly it's a Where were you when this happened kind of thing? Like I can remember I was sitting on the couch in Basement and I was just like oh my gosh. Oh, no, like I was watching some like car crash on the news or something My metric prime four we had bad news for you. That's basically what it was Yeah, yeah, oh well paul says not too far betch because That's that was the original plan for for for breath of the wild too and They they released wind waker and then in the in the um the winter of 2022 that was the original date for Means car. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that was the original weight for the the original. What did I say? Yeah Skyward sword and then the original date for you know, it was like a prequel to series of the kingdom So and then later on we found out that they they pushed it but it was in their plan. So I could very well see Metro prime, um remake announcement kind of Leading the way for a metro prime four in a potential future and it's like that. I'm okay with 2024 It's boost say sorry sorry Hey, go ahead. Yeah I'll go ahead. Go ahead. No, I'm completely done I was gonna say and you you know, you capitalize on this announcement by being like By the way, if you have a save file of metroid dread that's going to translate into metroid prime by unlocking, you know samus's costume Remastered to be so cool Smart and then you get a little bit of a bump in sales and metroid dread between January 25th and april of metroid prime comes out and then you've got prime four either coming next year Or coming this november like I said wishful thinking But not too far fetch necessarily. It's a very optimistic Scenario, I think none of us very disappointed if that was very I I think seeing metroid prime four at all this year is being really optimistic I'd be happy to chose up at e3 like That's the big Right, like we have we have likely three directs at least ahead in terms of just like general ones Right, they usually do about three a year when they're in their standard ways That doesn't include many or individual game directs and tree houses and stuff they do in between um It's it's interesting thinking about the metroid stuff like I guess we'll just sort of Pivot a smidge although feels like we would talk about metroid this whole time really anyways Because look, I don't know what's happening with metroid prime four I know retro studios hasn't put out a game since 2014 I know they were making something before they took over this project that never came out Uh, and I know most of the team for metroid prime is no longer there like the ones that did the trilogy Almost it's almost a complete turnover. So it's like an unproven team who's never really worked with it before but The caveat is they were able to make a pitch to nintendo and win it back from whoever was developing it Because nintendo clearly didn't like the progress that was happening Uh, but it's it's been a while Since we've heard about it. I I tried to give them a little Credence obviously we had a pandemic happen, which we know delayed so many things across the entire industry But it still just kind of feels like and Maybe this is just my thoughts on I think metroid prime remaster is absolutely a thing because I trust There's enough reliable people who have said it exists for me to not be like, oh, yeah, this is just vaporware No, I probably exist But they just know they can't even reveal this damn thing Without showing metroid prime four because I was thinking as you guys were talking Hey Zelda gets away with this agent almost comes right on screen and says Oh, we're actually not ready to show you anything for that right now But hey, let's go to this link's awakening or let's go to it like but that's zelda Which is different because it's a consistent development team that's built up the trust with the users that oh When you say you need longer before you can show us we believe you We haven't seen this game and it was announced in 2017 Long before tears of the kingdom was even an idea so Man, yeah, think about that. They they conceptualized and developed to completion Tears of the kingdom before we're even going to get to see anything at all past a logo about metroid prime four There was official art on twitter Maybe that art was yeah, we don't actually know if it's prime for art That's when we had our discussion with rob dave when the when the banner art came out We just had like one hour long discussion If they made that banner on fiber, I know Dave I want to I want to drag you up into this a bit because I think out of all of us here you cover metroid prime four the most extensively because you're you're always watching those hiring posts You're always paying attention to all the little minute details And I don't know that outside of the people that see your videos that the people really understand Maybe where this is or what's going on or what their game is like you mentioned Oh every every time they're they're talking about next gen next generation hardware or next generation engines and All the little minute details So you want to kind of give some insight that you've maybe figured out over say I don't know the last year or two about their hiring process and What seems to be happening at least as much as we can get from a hiring post Yeah hoops was bringing out some Some stuff looks like he's already been following metroid prime development updates Hoops hasn't been found at all. I just I just see articles on facebook Yeah, yeah But yeah, like that was the early the early reportings about a couple years ago Is that they were hiring Extremely highly talented people to work on metroid prime 4 back in 2019 Uncharted folks and people that worked on crisis and in Call of Duty and all these very very A tomb raider and Jedi fallen order Even those are some of the things that I brought out in the last couple years but this year It's been about them working on Hiring people to work on their engine and and work on their UI for metroid prime 4 and even And it's not even speculation. They're outright saying it in their development Hiring it's like in my last video. I did last month They're they hired somebody earlier in 2022 to work on the UI user interface of the as a technical designer And for a metroid prime 4 he says it right there in his job his job description. His name is adlin ramley and he basically he works on New features and quality life improvements for the in-house engine for metroid prime 4 so Basically confirming that they're using a customized engine for this game. They're not using It's not just going to be an unreal engine for mixed with, you know, or cry or cry engine or unity Even though they have hired people Who are have experienced an unreal engine unity and cry engine? They are developing an in-house engine for metroid prime 4 exclusively for whatever console this releases on obviously it's going to be the switch because also I brought out earlier this in 2022 that they Mentioned they also hired somebody from panic button to work on The nintendo switch version of metroid prime 4. They they didn't say Exactly in that way, but they said Nintendo switch metroid prime 4. So we know it's coming out for the nintendo switch But also they're hiring people that all this like expertise in next generation graphics and like Features for all these new engines So you can kind of see where this is going But if they're developing an in-house engine like we like I talked about last month That means that they are going to be basically able to port this to the nintendo switch og Plus the next generation switch if that is the case which it does look like it is So that is really exciting That they're not because like we know that metroid prime Unreal Engine 4 has had issues on the nintendo switch as far as like porting games over So they had to be customized for them to use that on You know for the original switch plus the next generation switch Or they'll want to make it all look as good as it can if you remember You remember was it captain captain toad treasure tractor tracker. Yeah, they released out on the 3ds And and and the we you right? So like it's it's amazing what nintendo in-house developers can do with their hardware if they're focused on it So this is an example we can think of like I never thought they would get that game run on 3ds and look as good as it did And they did that but yeah, so like nintendo can do anything They want with their ip and make it look as good as they as they want if they have the right developers doing it And metroid prime 4 looks like it's that is the case with retro studios So and and people by the way talk about how this game doesn't exist and it's vaporware But guys they're talking about the game directly in their job post just like a couple months ago They're saying metroid prime 4. They're working on it like you can look at my videos and they have talk about the game right there It shows up on my linkedin every week Like that from my videos with the and then they also mentioned metroid prime 4. Let me ask you this question Um, now that you're here, I'm taking your time because I want to know I want I want to dig your brain here metroid prime 4 Right It's it's considered kind of kind of like the shooter right like uh like a nintendo's version of first person adventure first person shooter Right, do you think that there could be the possibility with them hiring all these amazing? People from different backgrounds playing on certain games that that we could have uh the biggest metroid game Ever created with not only the a campaign adventure mode, but also a multiplayer mode on the side Um, yeah But I'm I'm leaning towards them getting the single player right first So like but yeah, that's possible. They did get a multiplayer, but like, um I wouldn't say I would I wouldn't like you know I'd bet your money on it, you know Yeah, because I know they they they've been pushing this multiplayer thing a lot I know with the with with uh with the pokemon new pokemon game You know doing this multiplayer thing here and then um, you know, they've had that in mario for a long time maybe they kind of Merge it to other other ip's Where they have uh, they develop a metroid game that looks kind of like a call of duty kind of kind of In the multiplayer mode, but you're actually, you know, you're actually out there not a space Doing all the fun stuff Federation force. Yeah. Yeah I'll say this um if I'm also with dave like I think it's possible, but it's not something I would bet on right And I think it makes some sense because they want the series to sell But I think if you look at how the switch has been if a game is good That alone is enough to get it to sell So I don't think they need to shoehorn in multiplayer to make metroid prime a good seller But if it is successful And we go back to like the early 2000s, but there was almost a metroid game every year Maybe we could see spin-offs or maybe like they bring back the hunter series Maybe they have a federation force series. It isn't tv style It's actually like a really cool like co-op Or to kind of game like I could see them going that direction where they're just different kinds of metroid games That appeal to those sort of like slightly different genres But I think probably single player Yeah, and also nobody nobody in the chat or anybody there should be should be dismissing Metroid prime 4 showing up this year in some form as far as being shown Because look at what happened with beta 3 Now that game was disappointing to me personally the final outcome, but like either way People were doubting That game even existed until just last year and they finally showed it, you know what I mean? Like or before that so like as soon as they show it then you'll be you'll be like, oh, yeah Well, there it is. Well, look look how far and development's been They've had a four years already under their belt making this game So don't discredit the possibility of metro prime 4 showing up in in at least a teaser form this year in some in some way and with a metro prime trilogy or remaster as well because They've been so quiet for so long The time is the time is ripe prime To see something from them from metro studios I'll describe it I've been I've been seeing it. I've been saying no Nate knows I've been seeing it I've been telling like metro prime 4 we're gonna hear from it guaranteed I'm the only only person who's guaranteed anywhere So the thing is once they once retro studios does show something that's it Then it's gonna be like you're gonna flood gates will open Exactly flood gates are open. So that that's why you're not seeing anything once they show you that one thing It's like, okay, give us more. We need to see more. They're gonna show you a lot So just just be ready for a lot once it does show So in my history of trying to predict Nintendo Um, what I found is I always want something sooner than it actually happens right but So like for example, what I think what I want right like it's like somewhat possible Is it maybe the announced metro prime either in january or february comes out in that open spot for april But what I think makes more sense. I'm talking about the remaster by the way I don't think prime 4 is coming out till next year But like what I think is maybe more reasonable is that they like I mentioned earlier, right? Like maybe we have a direct more likely february But I won't completely ignore the possibility of somehow in january but more likely february as history has suggested We have a direct they show a number of things including tears of the kingdom They perhaps announce some extra patch or something or bring up fire and engage again and show a few other things And they do also announce um, metro prime remaster But i'm not expecting Them to show prime 4 in february direct that feels more like an e3 time kind of thing But similar to how they handle scourge sort hd in 2021 what they did was They came out with their producer. The ag knew it came out had a little thing talked about scourge sort hd But also during that segment mentioned there'll be more details for breath of the wild The secret of breath of the wild at the time later this year. So what i'm thinking we're going to get that direct They're going to announce metro prime remaster and then um, who's it going to be a kensuke tanabe I think is a producer. Maybe he comes out on stage potentially and he'll say We're metro prime 4 developments going well More details later this year, which will be really exciting It'll be more than just developments going well It's a promise that we'll see something later this year, which I think will be a summer But they'll show off prime remaster. Maybe that comes out either late summer or early fall What I have to do is uh remaster is in february metro prime low out four in in e3. That's what I that's what I feel Yeah, yeah, basically it's not impossible to release Uh, uh metro prime remaster and metro prime four in the same year. What could be? Yeah, I don't think that'll happen, but you know part you never know Yeah, I hope they say like here's you know, take a look at this and they show like a little Exactly like 15 second, you know teaser or 22nd teaser metro prime 4 is like take a look at this, you know Like and they bow their head like they usually do right and then they but that's like after they show They trailer for a metro prime trilogy or remaster or whatever They'll say they'll say and by the way Well, here's one more thing for about metro prime 4 and we'll have more But but take a look at this, you know like that kind of thing they could do that early this year as well It would be super cool too because like prime is such an atmospheric series, right? Like you don't need to have like this bombastic trailer like you like you said like a like a quick Quiet moment. It's a quiet moment where you just hear maybe like breathing Maybe maybe like a little bit of an eerie backdrop and you just kind of see the visor And just you just moving up and down maybe walking slowly down a dark corridor And then screen blacks out 2024 like even if it's 15 seconds that would be a two hour discussion Yeah To our discussion every day What does the breathing mean? Right the more I think the helmet mean the more I think about the more shows The more I think it's possible because if with with tears of the kingdom they announced the game Like, you know first breath of the wild sequel to breath of the wild would be announced to what 2000 Was it 19? The initial teaser yeah, right and then from that point on all they've been giving us this little little Little snippets until 2022 3 You know from metro prime 4 till now they You know just that little logo. So I feel like the time for metro prime 4 has come I think it's I think this is a year where we're gonna see all those little hints and all those little Teases from metro prime 4 and getting you know starting with metro prime remake to get you know kind of Preparing us for what they have because I feel like it's it is time. I think it's time You know it has to be ambitious Yeah, you know like by the time it's done presumably in november it'll have been a five-year development cycle approximately and That bodes wealth for this being samus's You know link moment from breath of the wild. I hope yeah I don't think any metroid games going to achieve 25 million in sales But it very well could be the best-selling metering you today Which you brought that on It just has the top 3 million which is where metro dreads that but if the game looks so good and Has so much hype built behind it, which I think it will This should be a 4 million plus seller, but maybe nintendo really wants to Elevate it, you know now i'm going into nintendo fanboy territory, but you know give me a A short six episode netflix animated metroid series that ties into it, you know really go big on Yeah, yeah, you know metroid thing like if you want to build your ip strong Mario is already as strong as he could be But it's only going to get stronger with the movie and with the theme park But some of these smaller nintendo franchises that we love from our past like star fox and you know metroid and f zero You kind of piggyback on what else can you do from a medium entertainment perspective and then use that to drive you know sales of the game bigger and Yeah, I think I think metro is going to be a special one i'm rooting for it I see it coming to the i see it coming to super nintendo world in the future as a as a ride As a shooter, I guess Well, the thing is the thing is that Uh, nintendo just barely established their movie studio nintendo pictures or their movie company Whatever you want to call it Well, that's obviously a big move that shows they're dedicated to starting to getting into movies Well, they can't just produce mario and maybe zelda movies like that can't be all they do so I think Part of that bigger plan might be to sort of build up some of these other Uh franchises that they have that are just sort of sitting there like metroid So they can leverage them in future projects like this and make them more relevant because I also feel like metroid with metroid prime 4 it is giving me a lot of the Feelings that breath of the wild gave me when it was in development where it was just like There was so much mystery behind it but you knew it was this big game that they were like really going all in on and I feel like I mean obviously the games will be completely different, but I feel like The the end result could be similar to where it's like This is metroid's breath of the wild where it kind of just sort of starts a new era and kind of set the new standard You know, I'm really glad you brought that up I may feel like you'd brought up a really good a lot of good points But one thing I kind of want to just kind of focus on I'm curious what you guys think Because may and I had an argument a couple weeks ago about how much prime could sell Right, but I think you make an interesting point who's because Before breath of the wild came out Legend's other was a big seller, but it wasn't near the level it is now Right and we look at from the prime series like oh, there's no way it could exceed 5 or 10 million or above But what if it is like that breath of the wild moment and one metroid prime 4 does come out People recognize and I say people I mean the mainstream right like obvious Or create or care us core gamers are always going to know but like I'm going to mean like mainstream I mean like the 20 plus million kind of people like oh, this is like the best nintendo has to offer We need to get this right because I think that idea was conveyed with both zelda and mario And both those games sold 25 plus million the best selling for their respective series like 3d mario best selling 3d mario and best selling 3d zelda So what if nintendo comes out of metric prime 4 and it is understood that this is like high budget AAA cream of the crop masterpiece nintendo content and people for that reason Are like, okay We need to get this and all of a sudden metric prime 4 isn't just like a three four million seller It does Elevate to a higher level 25 probably still an unrealistic expectation for metroid Even if it is like that breath of the wild moment, but I do feel like there's an opportunity for it to kind of push it to another level Atmospheric sci-fi is making a comeback to it like dark atmospheric sci-fi is getting popular again um Yeah, dead space remake coming out. So like it's a good time for a game like metroid prime Atmospheric dark even your sci-fi, you know and uh something impressive graphically obviously that that's what the series is known for So, yeah, I think the time is is really really good for this for for metroid prime to be Start making its big Comeback and debut Then let's go. Honestly. I feel like metroid is a series that sort of can have a lot of uh Mainstream appeal really easily because it's got that sci-fi vibe and for lack of a better term It's got that halo feel to it and we all know halo is such a it's it's big its mainstream if any like casual uh Gamer or like an xbox player or something like that sees metroid They're gonna be like, whoa, that kind of looks like halo. That's cool And like it's sort of gonna have that appeal I feel like where it'll be Sort of easy to jump into even if you're not like a metroid person because it just looks cool Right, it's also that people have heard of metroid to their entire life A lot of these a lot of gamers have never played a game when they see something that looks like that Uh, like something like like you said like maybe looks kind of like a sci-fi halo kind of thing Because maybe metroid dread wasn't their thing. Maybe they didn't want to play a side scholar Uh, maybe they wanted something more more with more teeth or oomph to it or graphically Because that's where that's you know, well the trends are these days people want to play the most impressive looking thing out there Most atmospheric so like something like a metroid prime 4 could be their gateway to metroid Even if metroid dread wasn't so my thought On this So i've been just sitting back enjoying the show. It's awesome I love to be on my own podcast and I just get to enjoy it um, it's sweet uh I'm always a bit of a doubles advocate with metroid prime 4 because i'm hearing everything you guys are saying And the idea that maybe this could be like the breath of the wild for the series and stuff There's like a huge caveat to all to all of that like big success for the thing Is that we're getting towards the end of the current lifecycle of a platform? There's not a big enough runway Like the switch is losing momentum. It's not gaining momentum anymore um And that was one thing that really helped with breath of the wild when it blew up was It kind of it started at the beginning of switch and got to continue to grow as switch was growing um And I agree that it's always sort of been a graphical show A show piece for them a little bit Uh, but also I mean even being a graphical show piece Nintendo hasn't really ever had the hardware to properly do that And I don't think switch is the proper hardware to do that with either Uh, which kind of leads me to the fact that Well, maybe it's had four years of development Three years of that's been during coven So I kind of feel like this game ain't as close to being done as people might think And at one point they've already decided we're shifting to the next hardware with this And they just haven't publicly announced that yet because they're gonna wait Because again, they don't want to drop more bad news right now and there's no new hardware announced yet So like you can't say that right now Make people panic who own a switch who just bought it for the holidays But I kind of feel like that's what i4 might not be until 2025 or whenever the new harbors here So it could be there at the fresh start of us Rather than dropping towards the end I and I get the idea massive install base. Holy crud Yeah, and i'm telling you right now because here's the kingdom coming at the end and not the beginning It's going to sell worse than breath of the wild Maybe i'll be wrong But I just I got this feeling because every time nintendo drops big games at the end of generations. They don't do well Yeah, they just don't do it sword. Yeah, here's the kingdom might be an exception and that it's going to sell 10 million Which is phenomenal for zelda I'll consider that a flop if it's Yeah Equal to that's a flop Yeah, I mean that's also why I don't think nintendo is going to do like a traditional generational leap Like I think they're going to find a way I think that's one of the reasons why they're being so cautious is that they want to find a way to really just kind of Keep the momentum going like they don't want to lose out on this insane not just hardware sales But like software sales, but I think their goal is to find a way to kind of maintain hardware sales momentum And just but also keep that software sales one at the same time even by even though they're going to move on to a new generation Because I mean to your point like you know with tears of the kingdom is coming out at the end Like if it's if it's like a typical end for a for a console generation That does not spell good news for the sales for tears of the kingdom but and I just and that's one of the things that just makes me think it's really weird because Think about how long we've waited for tears of the kingdom We're probably going to have to wait at best another four years and that's being optimistic for an xl It's probably another five or six Do we really doesn't nintendo really want to go like another basic half decade before their next Opportunity to sell 30 million copies of a zelda game. I don't think so Not to mention though the hardware that that zelda would push right? So I personally feel that nintendo is is trying to be really strategic about how they transition Because I think their goal is to maintain both their hardware and sales momentum Which would lead to tears of the kingdom actually still selling really well Maybe being breath of the wild and also prime however it does come out prime for it does also succeed Well, what makes my entire concern moved and I think this is a nice transition into talking about hardware Is if new hardware is coming sooner rather than later Because let's say new harbour does come this year We obviously know those reports and stuff from japan that maybe you know that something major might happen with harbour this year They clarify that doesn't mean new harbour is going to release Just a major moving part. Maybe it's a manufacturing. Maybe it's finalizing the chips and the designs or whatever they're doing, but But let's say, you know that one way to keep momentum because like my whole fear Oh, it's years of the kingdom only sent 10 to 15 million when the other one doubled it up that wouldn't be That that I mean as incredible as the second best selling zelda game of all time That's clearly suffering a end of life There's something new on the horizons thing But if new harbour is coming this year and they can kind of double dip with zelda in the same year And get metroid prime 4 out as a cross generational game Or maybe even zelda we can't look nintendo does like this whole announce new hardware and give you like two months before they release something So i'm not going to rule out the possibility of new hardware or zelda. I don't think it's happening, but It's out there. It's a thing people are thinking I kind of think if they do a transition and handle it the way playstation does And nintendo's never handled it that way Where they transition their big games through the current into the next like simultaneously at the same time nintendo hasn't really ever done that And that's I think always hurt them when they've transitioned in addition to obviously Systems when no one wants to buy one anymore. That's obviously another That's a good idea because uh, that's what ps4 to ps5. That's what they did Because they kind of had to they have like about a hundred and almost 20 million ps4s, right? So, uh, you can't just cut those people off. You got to transition properly and um They did that well despite the pandemic in 2020 with ps5 They made they made the games available day one on ps5. Just transfer them over a little bit cumbersome You know they fixed it with some patches But like as far as you playing your game ps4 games onto the next console. They did it really really well So nintendo, I think they talked about that recent investors meetings about how they want to Keep you as a customer subscribed to nintendo online going into their next generation system So one way to do that is just have the backwards compatibility. Yeah transfer over your account Via online and then download your games again on the new system have them run Maybe a little bit better in you know native resolution and then also play the new games as well And they'll probably be cross gen games the first year Anyway, so I think that's the only way they can do it honestly They they can't just cut people off. They got to have it be a seamless transitions as much as possible A lot of nintendo platforms like they said and you said, you know, they they struggle that You know last year of nintendo 64, you know between perfect dark coming out And conquerors bad fur day and then nintendo gamecube. It's like, ah What am I doing last year of gamecube up until we uh, we do we you uh, it's the same thing We was a different story. It ended on breath of the wild But you know that was that you know debut title for nintendo switch And you know like yeah, borrow something from playstation. It's a playbook and xbox for that matter where You know you could play Play this halo infinite on xbox one or on xbox series miles morales came out Late into playstation 4's life and was a debut title for playstation 5 and then into ps5's life God of war on both horizon on both and running well on both just clearly You know better in 4k and stuff like that and once in a while you had an exclusive like ratchet and clank Or Returnal so nintendo in-house first party games still Operating on both mario kart 9 perhaps down the road like we got to use this 140 million install base, but we need to push Why why get a nintendo switch too because it looks this much better and And let's be clear too, I don't think that I don't think they're gonna go 4k with this switch to you I think there's gonna be like maybe better upscale stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah Not needed 4k, but well Yeah, I think I think uh, uh, yeah to add to add a little bit. Uh, Miyamoto did say Earlier uh mid 2022 mid 2022 that uh, the way they are developing their games now Is making it more possible than ever to bring all of their catalog with them Moving forward that means that when they were there they they developed for previous consoles Maybe the the structure was very very different. So it was very Hard to kind of bring a game from the nintendo 64 over to the next console and moving forward But now the way they're developing all their games makes it possible for for all the Back catalog to move forward as you as you transition to the next console So that that itself he was talking about backwards compatibility And I think that for this console it is a thing I I would love for them to to do that xbox playstation way of just logging into your account Going down there and then downloading your games that you've owned. Can you imagine that their selling point is okay? Look, um We're sorry that we shut down though though. Will we u3ds? But guess what when you log into your Switch to you won't let that go I It's because it's because you never know. I mean, I I like to speculate like everybody else. I'm just a little more You're a dreamer. You're one thing. I think they keep though is cartridges going forward Game cards. I think they'll have a better game card for switch to yeah a more capacity faster You know read speeds. I don't think they're gonna Get rid of that at least for another console. I think they're I don't think they're gonna go all digital or something I mean it works. It works. Yeah, it's a huge thing that switch has over like sony and microsoft, right like because the games I mean obviously ps5 and stuff like they those systems have really good great loading with their what is it like not the solids Is it the solid state drives they have? Yeah, so like they have great loading but when you compare like switch to like ps4 and xbox one like the switch is like Games load pretty quickly, you know, that's an advantage of cartridges and then also you don't have to Update the entire game and install onto your system when you load it up like With switch you can play your games really quick Right Yeah, game is software so you can put this is a one terabyte Um right here this little mini thingy here So game is software it's up to the hardware to play the software So they put all the power on the switch dock but on the cartridge They can make it smaller if they want and just put it in there, you know, which is I feel it's it's good And I think they should move away from it just so they can keep alive the The the physical the physical form of the game because I know that digital was 70 percent of of sales was it that came out recently. It was good. Yeah Yeah, that was a lot, you know, for you know, it is a blow for for physical so if they actually find a way to make it nice and portable and just kind of uh Imagine one of these things I hear but you know like mario with a little mario theme there Whatever, you know some of that I wouldn't be shocked like I I still kind of assumed that switch two would have cartridges But like I wouldn't be shocked if down the road. There's like a revision that that is digital only Yeah, yeah, yeah, that might be a thing But but yeah, there's so many cool things they can do with an xgen switch Like because the switch one is obviously like a blueprint Yeah, like here's our first attempt at the hybrid concept and it's honestly very limited in what it can do There's a lot of like speculation that the dock was going to have extra power back then and when it first came out They they can actually do all that stuff over for an xgen switch They can actually add a dock later on later on that has better processing power You can do all that kind of stuff later So it's pretty it's pretty cool. Um the possibilities they have opened up to them. Do you know what blows my mind? We still haven't seen a price drop That's a Here's on my Thank the pandemic man. Thank the pandemic crazy Like what happened hypothetically and maybe maybe I don't know like but like me is the reason why we don't get until next year but like hypothetically like How does the pricing work, you know, let's let's say switch two is announced Around the summertime. It's launching with a new 3d mario right at the end of the for for this christmas 499 well, but with that $500. Yeah, but I don't think that what that tells you is If you're selling at this price of this type of console that means that the next console is going to be at least $50 to $100 more And they could keep this one at that same base price is going to keep selling right along with it The idea would be that yes Guess what system is out selling the switch right now for at 499 It's the ps5 So if you have a next generation full i'm talking about full next generation experience Yeah, you get all you get all the ports you get games like resident before remake that look good enough like close enough type thing on the go Like steam deck for example. Yeah. Yeah, they can charge 499 for that with extra storage And uh and get away with it. Maybe it may another skew. That's 399 or 3 or 450 But yeah, I do really think they could go that route I know it may sound too expensive But people are willing to buy it if it's worth it to them if it looks really good They've if the Sorry, Nate. Go ahead. I'm just saying I hate I Hey, I hate to say this is almost sounding like a play a PlayStation Vita 2 concept here Like 499 is staying to me. Oh Like nintendo firmly believes in in hitting mass market critical price points Yes, the PlayStation 5 is selling extremely well at 499 No, no doubt about that Uh, but also Nintendo switch still outsold it in every market that wasn't the us Last year and even in the us they outsold it overall that it's lost the holiday season Coming in at a significantly cheaper price point like basically pricing out your current audience I don't think is a way to go like that's just I'm just saying that the possibilities are there You never know maybe everyone on this show would buy a 499, but we're not the average person buying switches part of what nintendo switch sells to is Multiple units per person and multiple units per family And when you're buying, you know three nintendo switch units that range between 200 to 350 bucks and you're looking at 600 to 1050 that's a lot cheaper than three systems at 1500 as your base if there are 500 if the nintendo switch to Uses the same dock let's say as the OLED dock in particular because that one has one extra little component in it capable of upscaling to 4k My best case scenario would be nintendo switch or nintendo releases the nintendo switch to With a dock for 400 dollars and without a dock for 300 for the people that are like Hey, I have an existing nintendo switch OLED model dock This works with that and there's how you save money and that's how you make your next gen console that much more affordable Now would it also work on the og dock or just specifically OLED then it becomes a little bit of a disparity because you don't want to alienate your market and say oh, sorry OLED people but if it worked on everything, let's say it worked on all docks If you have an original dock, it's not going to DLSS upscale to 4k But if you have an OLED dock It will function just as much as that 400 dollar nintendo switch to that comes with that new shiny whatever colored dock it is and like That's how I could see them You know, but nintendo doesn't really do too many models simultaneously although they kind of have with We you at least let's say like not too often But we you had their pro model in black and the regular one white Sometimes with a 3ds they have a black and a teal But that's just the color alternate would they go that far into having two different skews Of the nintendo switch too Do you guys remember back in all depends on what they offer in the box if it That's what but that's what counts the most is what they're offering the consumer If it's just a marginal little upgrade then no like I wanted to be free I'm just saying like like how much these chips cost them to make how much that technology would cost I'm saying that it's it's possible. They could they could offer something that's That's awesome enough that would be worth it that for that cost But like I said, like you guys said at 399 would be the what I think they would Hope to shoot for but like it was like a 499 would be something that they have like maybe like a one terabyte model Or something like that something they have Okay, I could see that but I think there needs to at least be a three I think three like as a base model 399 is a cap in my mind Um, and maybe like what they do is they price drop OLED down to 300 299 and they phase out base switch And maybe light even gets a price drop as well And then they have three platforms that kind of folk or even four if you count that more expensive skew if that's the thing Um, and that's how they would do it. It was I was going to bring up Do you guys remember the early 2000? Well Around the DS era where nintendo talked about this three pillar strategy Where they were selling the game boy advance or selling the DS and they were selling the game cube and then they moved on to the wheat I'm not I I feel like that was kind of more of a way to kind of they were Hoping the DS was going to be successful But in case they failed they were going to just kind of you know Have another version of the game boy advance in the future But I feel like now even even though nintendo is kind of focused onto one platform They can kind of have like sort of like a three pillar strategy because they have the lights that sell well You know the old that they're selling well and this next system It's going to be for those people that want that, you know that that really High quality next generation experience And they're these three systems are going to sell probably for at least another two years or so and then Slowly they'll have to iterate and phase out The entire switch line Pyro storm reads up a good point in the chat Uh, yeah 70 dollar games So yeah, if they do price the system at 400 dollars for switch two They would obviously then increase the price to their of their games to be 69 99 I think to make up any cost difference on how much they're losing per console sold Because I think 399 for the type of like a switch two that would be On par with like a steam deck, but the steam deck is like is older now Even even older tech and only has 64 gigs of memory So if they have something like that with a little bit more memory They can make up the cost difference by selling their games at 70 bucks and selling like a new zelda new mario at 70 bucks Yeah, everyone will go out and buy it and they just made 10 dollars more per game sold Like 10 million copies copy sold. So that's a lot of money It's medium Nintendo switch is capable of holding 64 gigabyte cartridges But yeah, there doesn't you know that doesn't exist on the market We see up to 32 gigs if they get the 64 Yeah, the cost is going to come down for them between now and then but will it come down enough to justify that? Okay, we got grand theft auto 6 on the 64 gig cart It doesn't have a whole lot of compression but enough to make it work. That's 70 But that's on the third party would antenna do it internally You might see a structure of like, okay, these are like 65 dollar games that are big and ambitious But then tend to has that now, you know, not every game is 60 You've got your wario wares for 50 and you've got different titles that are Ranging but I could see maybe nintendo having a little bit greater of a range next gen If they use the same cartridge and they just go up to 64 now And what does digital give you a little bit of a kickback like If these 64 gigabyte beefy cartridges that hold these, you know, Resident Evil 4s or whatever cost 70 does the digital version of each shop You know cost you 65 or something like that? I personally don't think the nintendo will go for 99 That's basically $500 without counting the dollar because if they go the same route as a switch Switch has been a console where you would Buy multiple switches in the household, right? You buy one for your kid You want one for your wife sometimes wants to switch you buy one for yourself And it's been like a portable thing that you carry for yourself Right and then at a $500 price point You have a family of four spending $2,000 for for You know to have a console that kind of I think that takes a little bit outside What nintendo's kind of market market? Is going for you know what I mean? I think I think it could reach for 99 like um like metal metal set with Upgraded storage on it if you love if you if you go up to one terabyte But then again, if you have external storage you can add to it What's gonna keep you from from just buying center storage and just sd carding it, you know what I mean? But um 590 499 it's it's I feel like it's uh I I see it I see I see the nintendo basically lowering the to the the old led and then maybe maybe 399 to 350 that's the right the range of the next gen console coming in at I hope I hope it's 399 I hope it's not 499 But like with the way inflation is and how everything's going within the world you never know But but yeah, like if they do rate I do think they will raise the prices of their of their of their software to 70 bucks because that will obviously make the the Uh price point to enter into next gen less if they have a 399 Switch 2. Yeah, but you know, it's a easier pill to swallow if the games are more expensive That's mentally easier for the for the consumer. What would you guys prefer? I don't prefer to have Um a system that has cartridges still physical games But all the games are 70 dollars or digital only and games are 60 dollars Oh, I'll pay I I will personally pay a premium for physical Why not week? Why not the option? Why not have the option? You know, well the way I said, I feel like we get really messy, but you know Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's a messy for the for third parties. Oh 60. Yeah People just buy the digital one from the third parties. They did that. Yeah I mean, they have the option now and you know, we have the the crowd that loves physical all the way that we have crowds They take digital, you know, I mean and they're the same price Imagine if if if one a digital is cheaper than the other, you know, that's a really good question. Oh, andres. Yeah That's a good one. I don't know makes you think I I go on. Oh, I was just gonna say I Um Very passionate about physical games like I won't I won't get a digital unless it's like gifted to me Or if it's like a special situation because there's just In my opinion as far as games go, there's nothing better than having the game in your hand and honestly owning it to a certain degree because uh I remember I can't remember what game it was or whatever But I remember reading the fine print one time and they basically it basically tells you That you're not buying the game. You're buying a license to play the game That can basically be revoked at any time at nintendo's discretion or sony or whoever And so there's just a lot less. Uh, it's a lot less like I don't know. It feels icky and there just isn't that Personal connection to the game that you have to where you can carry it wherever you go. And I think that's a big uh thing with nintendo switch specifically because it's obviously a mobile console that you can take wherever you go. So uh I personally hope they Keep the physical thing going and as far as like the switch to There is an interesting point. I wanted to bring up I think we're kind of all on a grants that the next console is going to be like Similar to the switch. It's going to be a hybrid model or whatever But one thing I wanted to bring up that I thought of that kind of Is pretty interesting is the fact that uh Obviously we have had Pokemon games on the switch and the interesting thing about that is that Pokemon's always been a handheld series, especially the main series And now you're sort of bringing it into this home console experience with the switch Well, now you've got people used to home console pokemon and the games are selling 25 million copies for sword and shield You might match that with scarlet and violet There's no doubt in my mind that the cells of pokemon are going to influence how the next nintendo console is And therefore that's why I think it's going to be like Basically, they're going to continue the hybrid Yeah, for sure. Here's an interesting. I well, I think it's an interesting point. So i'm bringing it up What if pokemon had transitioned To make putting their games on wii u We would not have been a market failure Like there's no way people don't get a wii u to play pokemon right like imagine Maybe 20 million instead of 14, but I don't know I think it would have been I probably wouldn't have sold as well as switch But it would have done a lot better than the what was the 13 million that it sold So they would have been trying to buy pokemon on the original wii. They'd be like, why doesn't work on my wii They would they still wouldn't know what the wii was It's honestly crazy. Like I mean, maybe it's not crazy because pokemon is pretty mainstream But whenever a new game comes out, it always amazes me to watch like my own friends who are not like They're not What you would call pokemon fans or even like like they're gamers, but like they're just so casual It's like casual as casual can be and they just like come out of the woodwork for pokemon. It's crazy. It's like it's like I think It just if you were born in the 90s, you'll carry it for the rest of your life type of deal Like it's just that like guilty pleasure for yeah for pretty much anyone so Now that's just be excited about nintendo's possibility of bringing bringing a lot of these franchises to the mainstream Media we spoke about this earlier Metro prime series on netflix, you know, you know, I mean having that that going on for season and season You know how how how much that's gonna do for the actual franchise Well, we'll get that game into into the 20 millions as well You know if we get that that out there or even a metro prime movie, you know a series instead of a Like a series a movie itself We know well made And the same thing for other franchises. I've been, you know, kind of in the background f0 and and Fire I keep saying fire fox. Am I right fire fox fire fox fire fox star fox Fire fox or star fox Fire fields of course in f0. Yeah Well, honestly, I think if they play their cards, right with this whole This whole movie thing they're doing Yeah, they're gonna basically take over the world because they're gonna have their games that feed into their movies That feed into their merchandise that feed into their theme parks that feed into their games Like it's gonna be and then they have a little area too. Like that's it's just kind of crazy High nintendo stock right now So I had a friend who messaged me the other day and they were like Like trying to make the argument that maybe nintendo is trying to compete with disney And I don't think that they can reasonably compete with disney now, right? But like this mario movie I expected to be the best-selling video game movie by far. Like I don't Do billion re for sure for sure and then what happens after that They can't do anything less than 500 more sonic if you look at You're gonna go on to the next to the next franchise Which is another pokemon movie because they're not gonna ignore pokemon pokemon has to come next Something I think something bigger than detective pikachu. They should do because I think the tech of pikachu Was I don't want to say it was just a proof of concept It was it was more than a proof of concept, but what they did with those models. I think actually worked really well Yeah, but now if they were to make like maybe a more original story That's maybe something more geared towards the mainline series and see how that does like that could be crazy Isn't that but i'm doing a live action series All right, I don't I think that was a rumor. I don't know. Um, I don't know if there was like a maybe can hoops Would you know? well, I I do remember hearing about it, but I've heard nothing since so i'm i'm kind of in the realm of like It sounded official when it came out, but also like I don't know So there is a little point like supposed to be like a zelda netflix show, but that got canned or something They should do that like to make it like the witcher Right not like not as adult obviously, but you know something like that. I was thinking game of thrones, but you know you're more like So Look at the Marvel movies, right? the marvel movies There is all these different movies that Excluding the Avengers because that brings in multiple main characters, but Each movie has is starring a different character and they all do incredibly well Yeah, so you look at this mario movie, right and like what it could become You know, it's it's what we're thinking like maybe down the road It'll take time but down the road They could eventually position themselves where every nintendo character has their own series of of movies or episodic netflix series And they all do really well and yet in turn that would also translate to sales with the software Like they do have that opportunity to really push out their brands like there is Like the nintendo we know today may seem big during the switch era, but like there is definitely Significant room for growth like they could go to a whole other level and then beyond Is the nintendo well this is really being built the nintendo cinematic universe right start with mario Go pokemon Keep continue, right Finalize it with the ultimate avengers movie smash bros ultimate right there the first one Isn't uh donkey kong in the mario movie We had rumors that there was going to be a donkey kong movie and that was potentially next We know that theme park wise they have the donkey kong mine cart rides in the patents and that looks very ambitious It looks like it'd be a fun ride So if the donkey kong ride comes to japan next or as part of Florida's debut because florida is going to have a bigger park than california Yeah, uh donkey kong movie donkey kong adding into the park donkey kong Things like I have a scoop for you paul I'm in here in orlando and I was over there the other day I saw the tracks that the tracks for the donkey kong coaster really Yeah, and then uh, it's um, they they're doing a separate park It's it's all seems to go into the world, but donkey kong um the park they're building they're a building and they're doing the track for the coaster Say that's gonna be awesome. Yeah So when they first had announced super nintendo world at first I assumed it was gonna be like a section in like islands of adventure But it's its own dedicated It's not dedicated park yet Yeah, you you get in through the main entrance to super nintendo world And then once you're inside it leads you towards the entrance of super mar super nintendo world where you have that pipe To go in kind of I really want to go into time machine and just see what this park is 15 years down the road Once it has pokemon zell the donkey kong metroid starbucks curbie animal crossing like that It'll be like the best park in the world. All I know is that pokemon cafe is coming to orlando people going nuts already They're going nuts. Just just just for a cafe cafe themed pokemon. Well, it's It's interesting that uh andris brought up the idea of disney because I mean like you said that's kind of like Far out to suggest that but at the same time nintendo if there's Any company that could do that it would be nintendo because of the franchise power they have and I feel like What we're talking about now potentially if they play their cards right is sort of like the foundations and the beginnings of What could become sort of just like a juggernaut to where you do have like Sort of a marvel situation almost where you got your your movies and then you're like Streaming series and then you've already still got the games. They they honestly Have something that disney doesn't have because disney doesn't have like The games that are of the quality of that nintendo games are they're basically just like tie-ins for the most part So and it's really hard to get games to be that quality Right when you look at microsoft And they're trying their very best to try to have software to compete with sony and nintendo They're I think they're they're you know, they're definitely gaining ground But this is microsoft who's been in the games industry for decades at this point So you know art and it's taking a lot to get out I mean we'll finally see perfect dark and fable You know and within the next couple of years. Oh man, just bringing those up makes me want to buy an xbox now Hey, you're back I'm good I'm alive. I'm alive. It was it was A little family. Well, not really I guess family friend emergency that Dealing well welcome back to your own show Nothing else I could really do it Anyway, uh, you know you try to help people out and then things get complicated. Um I gotta get going. I want to thank you guys for having me on I have to Have to split but yeah appreciate you guys having me on the show. We appreciate it. Yeah Everyone go check out super mother's channel. It's linked down in the description. Thanks for being your man Yeah, guys. All right, one. We'll talk to you soon. All right. Peace All right Hey, we get to use this layout for the first time today So Woo fancy. I know it's like I almost know what I'm doing Maybe although when I had a when I had to dip out for a second I was like which layout should I leave them on because no one's here to Always debating joking that I took over your show and it's mine now Yeah, I probably multiple comments in the chat while I was dealing with this stuff Is something like why why is this podcast happening on Nate's channel without Nate? I'm like well one if I was gone. I hope the podcast would continue even without me Um, it was good. We talked about nintendo taking over the world actually Last time with that last subject was um, super nintendo world and possibilities of them expanding and stuff and stuff and stuff So We haven't touched upon the fact yet that um, the pokemon company announced detective pikachu for for switch in 2019 and um, it's not here Having It's an official announcement on the official pokemon twitter. They announced it is coming to switch in 2019 and then just Pokemon uh, pokemon detected Pikachu Pikachu. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a rumor. It's it's a known fact that it was announced. Oh, wow. Okay, so maybe maybe it'll be in time direct. I don't know Well, the interesting thing about that is that there's a lot of like Wrinkles to that story because there was actually A report not too long ago that an employee from creatures who I guess is developing the game Who's part of the pokemon company? They basically said that like It's coming along or like it's all like it's nearing completion. Basically they basically reconfirmed that it still exists uh, but then you also on the other side have all of the reports of The detective pikachu movie and the fact that the sequel to that that was going to happen Is apparently not happening anymore for whatever reason and so I feel like They just don't know what to do with the detective pikachu brand like they they it seems like It could become its own subseries and like sub franchise But maybe they don't want it to be because they were just wanting it to be a A single one-off movie or something like that So it just seems like they really don't know what to do with what they have. That's a shame. I think I think mario's to blame for that because uh, I remember I remember um Is it uh, the super mario internet directly said they've been working on the movie for five to seven years already How long did it how long was the detective pikachu pikachu came out? The original game came out and like You're in the movie. Oh the movie came out. Uh, it was like 2018. I believe 2018 and um, that's Basically, yeah, right 2019. Wait, you know um, maybe That's when they started the game was earlier Yeah, yeah about the movie. Yeah. I'm gonna move the movie Maybe that's what they they they were talking about the movie Miyamoto kind of really, you know, Nintendo and whatever they had planned kind of Focus more more on the elimination movie with mario and scrapped everything else they had because maybe they're thinking of building up Are we talking about the movie or we're talking about the game? Game but since you brought up the movie It's very confusing because they even called the the game detective pikachu But they already came with detective pikachu in 2016 and then the movie it's also called detective pikachu So what is the switch version? Like I thought the switch version was just like like an like an uprest port at first But if it's taking this long it isn't just an uprest port Well, when they announced it, I believe they announced it in a like a pokemon specific director presentation or something They specifically mentioned it as a sequel to the detective pikachu game so But my my best guess as to what is going on with the game Which is why we bring up the movie because it all kind of ties together is I think that they just don't want detective pikachu to become a thing. I think they Like the movie came out and it was supposed to just be the the detective pikachu Like idea was supposed to be the excuse for the movie But now it's like become a thing and I I don't know like they're just not like money I don't think I don't know if they want it to become a thing because they want to make a more Traditional pokemon movie instead of having to do detective pikachu to did like half a billion at the box office Like that is massive. They only spent 150 million on that thing like that's Huge success and it's my warner bro. So like it doesn't evolve illumination. It's totally different people Ah, man, you ruined it. You ruined it. You just mentioned it with the brothers. I mean, I think I think as far as the movie goes Not too many movies. I don't know Maybe just a rebrand. Maybe it's not Just maybe it's like, you know, it's kind of what we talked about earlier Maybe it is it is going to still be like a live action movie with those CGI models that look amazing But it's not going to be a detective pikachu storyline. It's going to be something That perhaps is a little bit more Wide spread or mainstream that reaches an even larger audience something that is more akin to like a core pokemon Movie series whatever that would be because we haven't seen that yet What they do an origins pokemon movie or Or do they can at least part already within the pokemon world? Like like arches wasn't origins, right? It felt like An arches style movie would be really cool. Yeah, you know like like um What is Take away the time travel and then Put that village in there and they're they're they're they're starting to to discover pokemon how to How to catch that one? It would be real. I don't know like that that could do really well Like what if they went almost okay, don't don't think numbers and like budget just think like theming like avatar or like really focus on just like the exoticism of the world and the pokemon And you look at like pokemon marketing in the last couple generations They've kind of really focused on treating pokemon like they are wildlife and like there's like a Research effort and it's a little bit scientific right like you think about like the regional forms and stuff like that Like what if they had a movie? that kind of took Took it in that direction like and which is sort of what legends does right? Like it feels like more like you're actually out there in the wild researching these powerful creatures Like something like that could be a pretty compelling story So I don't know. I would love that that I'd be all about I mean I'd be all about any sort of mainline pokemon movie series even detective pikachu is really cool. So Yeah, pokemon day is next month. So we're gonna get a pokemon presents as well That's true. So not only an intended direct, but pokemon. What are we gonna get from it in 2023? Imagine there was a movie trailer that would be insane I would be huge that would be so he nintendo would be setting themselves up for like more on their bed like i'm at like Okay, now I feel like now we're definitely going down this slippery slope of like getting uber height for something That's totally unsubstantiated But like what if there was a movie trailer and then they have switch hardware come out next year and the mar Movie comes out and then there's tears of the kingdom and the shelf prime for like and there's a 3d mar Like there's all these crazy things that they could do in one year I doubt the fans like what do you expect? Yeah, I Mean Mike is in my head. It's all happening. So it's all happening. It's all comfort Dream started. He's been telling us everything's gonna happen. Yeah, that's all I'm super skeptical. I think it's gonna be a really light year on switch. I don't I think there's maybe one more Maybe big game and that's if new hardware drops Otherwise, it's gonna be a bunch of remasters and I'm cool with that Remasters can sell very well depending on what ones they are As you're a Metroid Prime are going to be the bees knees Well, they're going to be the bees knees. I just know they're going to sell very well I think there's other remasters that they could do that would sell significantly better But that's not here nor there because we don't know what's happening because the direct's not here And I know like I always feel like I'm the Debbie Downer But I kind of feel like I need to be feel like I'm being bombarded by everyone's wet dreams for nintendo I Need to bring some counter points into Maybe snap us back. Like I don't know. I feel like my expectations and keeping them so dry Means I'll I won't be I won't be the one disappointed this year. I said February 15 is the date. Okay. Get ready Is that a direct date? I think in a three month window like that is fact that is going to be hype I think I think the fact that uh, there will be a pokemon presents of some kind in late february Also coincides with when we can expect the direct because whenever we get a pokemon direct of some kind You a good amount of time get a direct a Nintendo direct like Nearby that time frame because they coordinate their announcements pokemon just likes to sort of have their own space So because you're having a late february pokemon presents That's another point in the favor of I think Uh, probably a mid to late february Nintendo direct that brings forth a question What if any pokemon games are we getting this year? It's just gonna be dlc We're we're gonna get dlc impossible. We could possibly get like a detective pikachu or spin-off spin-off But main series it's gonna be dlc for sure You know Like I kept thinking I'm out of fan, but they could have that other company who did brilliant diamond shining pearl do another one. Yep. Yeah next year But they could do it this year. They put it together in two years It'll be done in two years since that was me. They just they just don't do that like a dlc is like their third version That's kind of like they're gonna have like a physical release. It has a little dlc in there Like that's just gonna be what their focus is. I mean the big Here's the thing. This is a third party company. This isn't game freak They could literally be in development right now and come out this year because brilliant diamond shining pearl as much as I hate it It sold really well and money talk Yeah, money talks pokemon company was money I'm of the I'm of the opinion that brilliant diamond shining pearl was never supposed to exist I I I think that legends arceus was the seno remake And then and then like covet or something happened that forcibly delayed the game And we know like pokemon they have their schedules and stuff They don't like to delay stuff So when this had to be delayed because it went out it came out in january and that was you know, that wasn't the original plan Yeah, but they wanted to keep like their yearly release because they also like yearly releases They're like, okay, what do we do? Well, we're we'll just contract these guys to make this for us And that's my point though. It was made cheap and it sold really well It's big big money for them Why wouldn't they just do it again? I feel like we are going to get another remake. I hope it's sudden moon sudden moon because I want to play that one Yeah, we're going to get another remake. It's just not going to come a year after scarlet It's coming in the summer Hey, I'll say I'll say I'll say this andres you say we're not going to get into a year after scarlet and violet Well within Literally a 12 month and one week period. We got three pokemon games coming up So like can we say that one is going to come out in 12 months? I don't think sound so crazy or just three in a 12 month period I will give you that the legends arkis brilliant diamond situation was different And I to hoop's point, you know, maybe it's because they they realized that arkis wasn't going to be quite ready But then also, you know, a lot of part of it may have just been kind of messaging because they knew that their fans expected at proper gen four remake But with the direction they were going in the only way they could do that is doing what they did But to also, you know throw throw some credence your way, right? They got away with it They got away with releasing two mainline pokemon games within two months of each other I don't think that was a very high budget thing and I mean it sold a lot It's possible And I don't think they're gonna do that But if you look at the game, um, and it's art style form, right the top down, you know Art style form it it's it's an enjoyable type of form for a game You know, like just like the legendary Zelda was with with uh lint's awakening You know, I actually enjoy the that are so having this two different Pokemon games one having a like a first person kind of Thing and then the other one being like a top down kind of game to me It made it into two completely different types of game Even though you're doing the same exact thing it felt different for me, you know And then there are a lot of people out there who did not play these older other games I'm pretty sure they want to you know That to get that money I can easily see uh, uh, I can easily see that the two big pokemon events for this year when it comes to game releases is the the um scarlet and violet massive dlc And and then uh another another top down rebate I think there is something to be said for Like the potential of sort of a 2d 3d series kind of like how mario does because Now because like the formula of pokemon the original like classic pokemon games is like a beloved formula So now that we're getting into the big open world stuff I think that's something they should explore but it's like it's really hard to say What they're gonna do because we've had like We've had this, uh Remake we've had legends We've had let's go like they've they've kind of experimented a lot with their remakes and revisits So I think within the next few years we'll probably see the direction they Really want to go because they've probably kind of like Looked at how everything is doing and now they'll probably sort of uh Take that next step with what their plan is going to be going forward legends did so well Considering that it was it came out in january after people already bought brilliant damage shining pearl Like what happens if legends gets its own Dedicated year and holiday release like how much better could that series perform? Especially if they also implement The proper battle system that that leads to the competitive scene like if they have that engine in there as well Because that's something that maybe took it was cool for legends to have to go in a different direction with that fighting system But also because it didn't have the typical battle system Mainline games had it was never going to be part of the competitive format, right? And it had no multiplayer like what if legends was a thing with the multiplayer How will that do? I mean, I guess you could kind of consider a scar and via basically the merger of that, right? So But I don't know I would I would like to see legends get its own dedicated holiday season one time I'd love to see pokemon legends Get its own series because I think that series has a chance to be a better series from a technical visual perspective because Game freak is on this tight schedule of once every three years They have to make a new pokemon game for generation because they're dealing more than just the game It's the cards and the cartoons that line up and the toys and the age group that maybe we buy pokemon games But we're probably not buying t-shirts and toys and cards and you know water bottles and stuff like that So pokemon is this giant empire That's why they have to fit to this three schedule mark But legends you could go ahead and you'll take four or five years of development time on that one and make that Make that the really ambitious game that like, you know, we don't have to commit and worry about this time thing Let's iron it out And that also brings up the second question or I don't know about a question maybe or a thought And that is when does the next pokemon game come out because traditionally, you know pokemon company likes to release a New generation of pokemon game on a well established console that already has an install base of tens of millions You look at, you know scarlet the violet just came out in 2022 If it's on 2025 if it's in 2025 The only system that would have you know 100 million plus at that point is nintendo switch Or is it a nintendo switch 2 system if nintendo switch 2 comes out in 2024 And pokemon generation 10 is a 2025 thing It'll be on a system with maybe 20 30 million systems. Is that enough for pokemon company? So that you know other questions come into like well, what's next for pokemon nintendo switch is so successful It has happened before though where You know like when nintendo 3ds came out in 2011 black and white was a ds game That just happened to coincide well with a 3ds launch But it was on the you know 80 million plus 100 million plus selling You know ds That could be played on 3ds, but in order to maximize the hardware and stuff Does pokemon company does nintendo kind of push it to like no We've done as much as we can with this engine. We need to have the next pokemon game on nintendo switch 2 Is it a dual release possibly that's kind of a crazy thought where you know pokemon version 8 is the nintendo switch game and pokemon version b is nintendo switch 2 game probably not but How do you do this? You know balance when they're so focused on this three-year time schedule because yeah, 20 25 that's less than three years away and It's kind of a weird time where that's a late nintendo switch Because nintendo nintendo console has ever lasted this long and this successful as it's about to turn six You know, we usually have the full-on successor come out at the five-year mark like from n64 to gamecube Yeah, gamecube to we We to we you and then we knew the switch was you know four years and four months so The handheld times lasted a little bit longer though and helps you Yeah, and this the system is a bit of both, you know, it's a home console But it's treated like a handheld in some regards because you know it does have that but I wonder what pokemon company is going to do Yeah, no, no, I think I think for sure it's got to be at least two years like soren should come at what 2019 Right and switch was out for two and a half years at that point a little bit more so well, I I going back to what I was saying about pokemon games influencing nintendo consoles. I think I've always been of the opinion that scarlet and violet will be the last Main series games that will come out on the switch And but it's also as paul said Always the case that they wait a little bit when a new system comes out before they release their first game on it Because they like that install base there. So Using all of that if I would probably say 2024 I think would be the year for the switch to because then you have The next gen pokemon game 2025 That's like a year to almost two years out And there's also a possibility that they might push that game back to 2026 because that's the 30th anniversary of pokemon. So that might convince them to like Wait a year, you know, I'm hoping that they transition to four year gaps for generations I feel like that would be so much better for the series because they can still have a game for a year like yeah Between the legend series and remakes and Whatever else they want to do like big and dlc like they can they can do a remake a legends and a dlc In between each generation consistently and they would actually be healthy development cycles for their games I don't agree with none of that stuff because I'll be too old by then Hey, yeah, look we're all overlooking the obvious game drop here. It's another let's go game 2024 poke them all back Actually, actually so it's interesting. What's interesting, right? So I don't think we get a remake so soon after scarring about it or even btsp But we go another year removed from that. I see I can see a remake happening 2024. Maybe another let's go series And I think that can make sense And maybe that is available on the next system maybe across platform release because I mean I think I think there's a chance switch twos out by this holiday the end of the year Or if not maybe early is 2024 or something like that So regardless by holiday 2024 I think for sure they're gonna have a new system out that I think that game Which could be like a let's go game Um, or something some sort of like not full on like it's not gonna be next generation Like that would be a great way to start getting pokemon fans to switch over to our next system But it's still It would still be available for switch owners as well. And then by maybe 2025 that's when the next gen happens They'll be ready to go Yeah, that's that's basically what they did with let's go because it came out a year before Sort of shield did so I could see that So basically i'm not crazy One of my favorite pokemon releases in the last 20 years Might be getting a sequel this year No next year. Well, I will say um, I've been I've been covered I've been covering this on my own channel, but in scarlet and violet There is a ton of stuff that has to do with jodo For seemingly no reason whatsoever And jodo is the region now that we've had the senor remakes That we have not seen in the longest amount of time So I actually whether it is let's go or I would prefer legend a legends game Oh my god, I think we're I think A jodo revisa of some kind Could could happen like there could be it could be like a stopgap title that we can see or something like that I swear if legends never gets a sequel I am I'm gonna I might rage quit pokemon even though I really enjoy relic violet like seriously Legends would be so cool because I mean one thing we have what is that that's suicune Paradox pokemon right like there's that Like I could see them like like legends hoho feels like Or I mean you could say luigi, but I don't know something about hoho kind of fits You know, you know what it is is that where hoho is is a what the What's the tower called the tin tower? Is it the brat? I think it's the There's two different towers either the bell or the brass tower one of those Yeah, but it's a tower that burns down in that town They have like a very like old. I mean all of jodo has a very Old kind of feel to it like in a good way and especially that town You know what you have like them The dancer girls in the house not too far off and and there's a different like eeve evolutions And then there's this history of the burning tower and then those so was was it a theory? Or is it a part of the lore? I'm not sure that those eevees became like the The dogs So the the the part that it was eevees is a theory But the the lore is that there was pokemon in the tower that got that basically died in the fire And they got And what would be cool is that like what if they have like a legends like Like an older version of what those pokemon would be like maybe they aren't eevees But there's something similar that would be like a predecessor to the ryko ante and suikun Like that would be so cool. I'd be all about yeah That would be that's like my one of my dream games now for sure. I think I honestly have no idea like If they will continue it or not because they're just so hard to predict with that kind of stuff But they would be so dumb not to at least one more because that game is literally what like restored the faith in a lot of people's minds in pokemon and like Kind of gave them a rebirth because they were kind of struggling after what happened with sword and shield and like people were not happy and then this game came around and honestly like saved them in a lot of ways, so I think they need to take a hard look at that Yeah, our guest shows that game free can make Quality games that could be in the game of the year conversation or at least nominated for an award Are any of you fighting game fans or did you like poke and tournament? I do love poke and tournament You know that could be a good fit in for something pokemon related this year a poke and tournament too I'd be down with that bro the paradigm like iron valiant. Oh my god Yeah, that'd be so cool. Well, honestly, it's of the two mega man pokemon Yeah, what are the names? Um arm rouge and sail edge. Yes I think uh Something like that though that sort of like ties in some of the new pokemon I could also see where it's like it's a game of its own But it's also like a marketing thing for the main game, you know Yeah I'm all about it. I'm all about a poke and tournament too. That would be amazing I talked to mr. Harada at e3 2019 I asked him that question because I was in benni namco's Section and we got to talk about it and you know, he said he would like to make a sequel But you know, that's not his decision and he's gone, you know publicly elsewhere to say that aside from my interview, but You know, he's up for it. It's just They already have an engine It was benni namco other than him wanted his poke and turn Bandai namco likes baking pokemon games. We even got new pokemon snap not too long ago Yeah, that was good. Like that looks nice and nobody really complained about that visuals So benni namco is hiring. I know it technically it's supposed to be with nintendo, but nintendo owns the pokemon ip so What if this whole 3d action game that they're working on is a pokemon game That they started after they finished up new pokemon snap And I don't know what I don't know what kind of pokemon game it would be because it's clearly gonna be a spin-off But I'm just imagining like what they were able to do just from a visual perspective with snap And I know it's a it's a picture-taking game So it's a lot different than a game you're running around actions happening But I kept thinking like What if they took Such a hypothetical. There'd be no idea what they're making but like Well, one thing that because we were talking about the tetra Pikachu movie earlier And one thing I wanted to talk about with that and get to Is that it's it really felt completely different from everything pokemon's ever done Because it was very much not just a live-action concept, but it was kind of like super edgy and kind of Intended for a smidge of an older audience rather than just the little kids out there Like they seem to always aim pokemon anime to show and everything else that uh, so What if they Benni namco saw that said hey, we want to make a game That's sort of like a really good-looking world Of pokemon like that on a smaller scale I don't think they're gonna let them just hey, you're making a mainline pokemon game now 3d action style have fun Uh, but like a proof-of-concept type of game That's like a pokemon spin-off just to see what happens just to see what people think about able Like really visual pleasing 3d action pokemon I don't even know how it would play like I just came up with this concept on the fly during the podcast There was a uh several years ago um Junichi Masuda who was like basically the head producer of pokemon says he said I don't know if someone asked him a question or something But he basically said that he would be down For a pokemon warriors game And this was at the time when you had hyrule warriors and fire emblem warriors and he actually was like, yeah, that would be cool So that's like That will probably never happen, but like The potential of like because like he I can totally imagine uh Having like some sort of like pokemon warlord type situation where you're riding around on a pokemon Like beating up soldiers and stuff because because they kind of did they sort of did that type of vibe with a pokemon conquest Which was like a fire emblem pokemon sort of like crossover. So I think they could pull it off even if it probably will happen. What's crazy is it? pokemon can be so much You know like we talk about pokemon snap. It's a it's a picture-taking game Pokin torment is a is a what a a tekken style fighting pokemon game Uh your tear point. There is pokemon conquester's mystery dungeon The other mainline series which has several different variants with the legends and the and the let's goes and Like there's you're forgetting the best game Magikarp jump come on now Magikarp jump. How about what is it? Well, is it toga p run or something? Like there is yeah, there we go yeah, like Forget the best stuff. I mean I would personally want to see You remember the mini games in pokemon stadium one and two I would love a dedicated like mini game Uh pokemon game like a mario party version of pokemon. I broke control sticks on that eckons I disagree with uh, andre. I don't want that game ever I really want what I really really want Pokemon girl. I really want is a pokemon cart. Okay. I want to see a lot of pokemon drives start driving a little Big heads and just shooting shooting like like because you has the power of just shooting lightning at the other car I mean There's I'm I'm feeling like Uh mario car is Pretty close to just becoming smash car at this point. Right. So it's right there I don't want other characters, but pokemon right grabbing the little cars Because you in a cart tarzard in the cart sforz on the cart. I'd be I love yeah, yeah, you know, you know Squirtle can just shoot water because you can just lightning, you know, everybody has their own little individual Kind of an attack electric could explode right Oh boy Electro would be an item it wouldn't they have to have spung about car at this time. So Nickelodeon Pokemon would make so much sense Let's go like nintendo is sort of like turning mario kart into like a nintendo cart But it's kind of weird because the mario kart brand is so big they can never really change the name Like it's always going to be mario kart because like it's so huge You don't sell 40 billion copies and be like, yeah, now we're going to call it nintendo kart like no No, you keep it mario kart because that's what everyone knows you call it nintendo kart people Why not pay as much attention? You know, it's interesting with both tour and the dlc for eight deluxe They haven't really they they're kind of sticking to like the mario kart world right like they haven't really They're not they're not bringing in more Zelda or animal crossing or any other characters I mean old courses and tour courses for the most part. So yeah, it's like a Easier to do dlc maybe that nearly as elaborate as the original. Maybe they have that save for mario mario kart ultimate What if the next game's not even a mario kart, but it's uh the next or the next mario kart game is A mario kart game and a 3d mario platformer in one where you're mario and you go around these different worlds Kind of like you do in super mario galaxy And as you enter that world and as you platform around and go through bosses and stuff like that You unlock that world's racetrack and that's how the setup is It's a mario. Did he go on racing? Sort of sort of like that full-on platforming regular adventure mar super mario odyssey 2 and mario kart 9 combined And like that's it and you could play racing and you could play your platforming But you navigate the world seamlessly and you like look at the super mario movie trailer Yeah, that's a mario. That's a mario platforming game and a mario kart game combined into one now It works differently in a movie than it would in an actual game And why would you even do that necessarily here? You could sell a 3d platformer and a kart game why make them in one, but No, that would be a kind of a cool interesting way to Combine the two I could see the mario movie having a game and then one of the one of the levels being mario kart Because it's in the movie. So if they if they base the move make a game based on the movie I could see like those of the movie mario kart to a mario that would be That would be way too much like inception because then that would be A game tie-in of a movie based on a game That'd be great Do you think we get a mario game around the time of A movie in april? Do you think they You know, you know, the the thing we haven't been talking about this whole time Is that is it's kind of like Why hasn't this happened is Odyssey 2 right and like It's been it's we're going on six years since odyssey came out. There was a survey So like there was an idea at one point it existed in the mind At one point, I mean in one way shape or form they've got to have something cooking And so I don't know maybe that could be the holiday game this year or Whatever One reason why I still think 2023 for new hardware is possible I it's whole hard for me to believe that nintendo would skip a holiday Following up the movie. Yeah, well, I might not have like some sort of major mario game. That's really mario So there's there's there's two things that can happen If there's hardware if there is no new hardware Then I see mario odyssey 2 happening If there is new hardware, then I see a brand new mario a brand new mario happening Oh, so either way 3d mario just the branding of it. Yeah. Yeah I think the only time besides all the retro consoles that I saw mario twice in the one console was with the with the we mario Galaxy and galaxy 2 And and and that's there were both on the we and then and then from that point moving forward no more I haven't seen two 3d mario's in one console I mean if we go back to before the 3d era nintendo did have multiple mainline marios per system That's just back then they were 2d. Yeah. Yeah, so 3d mario's yeah We're time. Yeah, like like I nintendo never really had In my opinion multiple 3d mario's besides the we because I don't I don't feel like the systems lasted long enough to get that second one But we did last long enough to get the second one granted. I actually got it pretty soon after but Yeah, so it was a long generation that ended up. Hey, we have two 3d mario's galaxy one and galaxy two And I think a lot of people think the odyssey tube boat may have sailed just because Hey, if we were going to get that why wouldn't we get in like 2019 or something like that? Like, you know a couple years later, but it wasn't like they did nothing But it's very very like that's the thing and it's actually really really fun really good It's very good. Um, you know thinking on it I feel like one of the reasons maybe why you don't see 3d mario have like a second one like a You know a sequel per generation is because look at what happened when they did do that The we the we you happened they didn't have a big mario ready At launch or it wasn't really that close to launch and part of that's because well They focused on getting another 3d mario ready during the we era Like I think part of the reason why you only see one mainline mario per Generation to your point like the generations haven't lasted long enough But also they want to have that next mario ready for the next system. Like even if it's not a launch title It's launch. It's like within that first year. So It I mean, I personally I mean, you know, if new horror is not coming out with zelda. It's coming out with mario So, yeah, all right. All right. So let's just say this year Let's just go around. Are we getting Any mario game and if so are we getting a 3d or a side scroller? Let's start with mike If we are getting a mario this year Uh, I just depends if we get any hardware or not, but if we get any hardware Uh, was that through the hard one. Okay. So no hardware this year. No hardware. Okay. So I would say 2d mario All right, paul gale. Ah dang put me on the spot like that on the spot Right in center You've got the theme park. You've got the movie. I think you've further to capitalize one step further and have a Game that's not just mario kart 8 dlc. So I'll put one on the check mark for A 2d mario game this year. Yeah t-shirt it goes along with it All right, honoris what teacher teacher teacher. Yeah I mean it ultimately comes down to what I think happens this year if there's no I know you said strew system So no matter what I'm saying there is a mario game. It comes out this year But the kind of mario really comes down to what nintendo's plan is right? Like 2d mario is is definitely like I think 2d mario is happening unless we're getting a new system this year if not, it's 3d mario I think the other comes out the year after I think of a new system is coming out in 2024 later It's launching of mario kart. That's that's that's my prediction But for this year, I would be a or whatever it's called. It would be a system seller mario kart ultimate Well, here you go. Um Let me see hoops. What are you thinking? Okay, this is what i'm thinking Just as everyone else has said We've got the movie. We've got the theme park. We've got everything going on so The logic says that there will be a game of some kind this year to further capitalize on that Well, we also know that the switch is has a huge install base and has had a lot of success So because of that, it's also inclined to maybe stick around a little bit longer than its predecessors So that's why i'm gonna say that They're going to effectively End the switch's lifespan The same way they started it by having a zelda and a mario in the same year So there will be a mario this year or i'm gonna say odyssey 2 i'm gonna go big say odyssey 2 And that will be their holiday that'll be their holiday game for this year And then they'll have the switch 2 in 2024 Okay I mean odyssey 2 out of my waiting a little longer for for switch 2 for switch 2 so Because i honestly feel like like it is sort of my own personal bias of what i think but i also do feel like Uh, i i i don't think they'll Rush to the switch to just because of that success they have of that install base and of how Careful they need to be in doing that because they're literally one step away from another we use situation Regardless of how well the switch is doing or how much we think they've learned their lesson Like it's nintendo they could do it again So i think but i do think they've learned enough to where they're going to be careful about how they transition What if it uh, what if it's a mario mobile game? Because i recently found another patent for A mobile game that looks just like mario On it And this they could just give give you like mario run to or or rebranded or do something different You never know You never know Mario app that releases with the movie that you can interact that you can interact with a qr code on the screen Hey Your phone's on wall in the cinema Yeah, they're not gonna care about that. They're they're they're doing this whole Mario experience, man They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna drop a qr code that will contain a link to buy a special mario amiibo in the movie That's awesome But also the never mind forgot what else i'm gonna say it's a medicine Yeah, well i'm i'm going look look i'm gonna go there isn't going to be a new mainline mario game this year Regardless of hardware I know i know i know 2d 3d and i'm saying neither neither But mario will mario be present But they're gonna capitalize and they knew it's the whole time They're gonna capitalize on the fact that people like luigi quite a bit And no i'm not going luigi's mansion. Yes. I would love a new luigi's mansion. Absolutely, but that it's not mario. Okay, it's luigi But they have this little known game series That the developer basically no longer exists for but is much beloved That is due for a new entry If nintendo found the right people to do it And of course we're talking about mario and luigi. Yeah Well, it's still pretty hype Really good games and it's just kind of an unfortunate situation that they've never really gotten a chance to really be in the limelight and In this time It wouldn't be considered a major release too. So like if that rumor is true then okay, but also it's still mario luigi You know, it's really good and there's the mario movie people like luigi. They know What are you saying? It's about mario, dude. This is about mario. You're you're in red right now. It's it's about mario I'm wearing red because mario I was cold and I have very few long sleeve shirts. This is this is the 25th The 35th anniversary of mario part two this year to be all about mario I feel that the mario movie is gonna have a big storyline about the brothers themselves And I think I think it seems fairly evident I mean there could be a fake out with what they're doing, but it feels like mario's goal is to find his brother Yeah, the beginning of the movie is going to be about them too and their brotherly bond Maybe they even have a spat right before where they're in that room with the pipes the basement that leads them to get split And you know luigi time, baby Yeah, I think that's going to be that brotherly bond and I think mario and luigi getting to follow up the movie is actually a pretty good idea Perfect. Listen Just give that trailer how they're they're there's putting a part of the trying to grab on to each other And then they kind of let go And luigi ends up somewhere else they they're not together throughout the entire movie And then bowser is the one who actually gets to hold the luigi, you know first and then he also he chops up He thought he luigi dies Boyler Yeah, yeah, what he didn't see is right after he rips off, you know after bowser rips off part of the mustache He just throws him the lot like And that's where they they um They can and I is having our show lives. I like the fact that they're making They're making it like a uh, like like, you know, like a brother relationship movie because that's that's that's the kind of movie we kind of need So, um, I think we're kind of winding down here what I kind of want to end the show a little bit by just kind of going around one more time and being sort of a like Do we think this upcoming direct? Is going to be Like have a boatload of games or is it just going to be One of those lighter ones Because oh zelda's coming out all we need to do is just lean on that or you know mario movies coming out we can lean on that Or do you think it's gonna be like, you know the the the kind of directs we dream about The ones that we only seem to get once every few years that just blow our mind With all of that mic start because I already I mean mic was shaking his head. No, but then Mike's a dream I'm gonna be all right, you know, I'll give you a first I don't think this direct will be a big one. I think this I think I think this direct will have one or two or three announcements that will make us happy And then when we get those announcements, we'll be happy with the whole direct We'll get third party games. We'll get some farming games on the side I don't know a little less hopefully a little less farming games on the side, but 75 That's the mario game We're working with square enix on a harvestella crossover for a sequel right now So so, you know as long as you get our metro prime remake announcement, we'll get our it'll end with Stay tuned for it. Uh zelda Tears of the kingdom direct coming later in the future. We'll get that in march and then um What else? Mario, you know that's mario game the Metro prime. I think it's gonna be one of the games the people happy. I think Um, we'll have we'll have DLC for pokemon, which is gonna be very good. Um, can't wait for that and then we'll have, um Of course, uh, we can't forget about wave four coming up as well. They're they'll announce wave four In the direct and they really I think I'll say that yeah, yeah So I think I think it'll be a good direct because they it won't be the direct of our dreams I think that'll come with the new We're getting a mid direct. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be it'll be an okay direct. Okay, not even great but even wonderful not even But for people really into metro it in zelda, you'll be happy basically. Yeah. Yeah, I mean It'll it'll have something for everybody. So in other words, it's gonna be an on dress direct You just described the perfect direct for rogers. Yeah. Yeah, so farming sims, especially that was that was the part that really Well, it'll be the part that'll make me throw my chair out the window, but it's fine But he's just letting the air in to get a fresh breath Before tears of the kingdom drops in there now if they have farming stuff inside tears of the kingdom I probably would somehow be excited about it. I actually would be okay There's like a little side farming thing. I I've always thought of ideas to expand on the whole link as a house Okay, so now what yeah, what can we do? Anyways, uh, that's for a few that's for a future podcast. That's my crap. Hoops. What are we thinking? uh So i'm thinking Some similar to what mic is thinking. I feel like the fact that Zelda is coming out in the middle of the year kind of kiboshes a lot of the potential for the year because I don't think because of zelda. They'll have Anything too huge they could have some good games, but nothing too huge leading up to it And then after they will because they'll obviously have like a holiday game But I mean I just don't see with the timing of zelda and the fact that Anything that they tried to announce would just be overshadowed I I feel like there's not going to be anything too huge going on in the direct. I think you'll have You'll obviously have zelda. You'll have um I can see maybe one or two other significant announcements along the lines of like a Metroid teaser or Possibly we have not mentioned Pikmin 4 this whole time right? We could maybe get like a Pikmin 4 update or something like that But I think it'll be I think it'll be mid-level I think the quality will take over the quantity and so like what we will get will be really good because you'll have like Zelda and then like one or two other like home run hitter type things Uh, but there won't be like a lot of big stuff Yeah I mentioned two third party games. I forgot to mention two third party games That that um one is Genshin impact has been going to us for 10 years, right? And and and then the other one isn't an expected one roblox Well, I just imagine You're ready to set their tablets down and just play their switches of roblox Right, but that'll solve the tablet problem in my house. I guess. Um, all right, paul gale By simply having the legend of zelda tears of the kingdom there That's already got to be a 10 for me. Yeah, because you give me a three minute trailer that has finally some story elements and Some voice acting kind of like the 2017 trailer had and real gameplay of what could link do And a little glimpse of is there any time travel? Is there any? This mystery there's so much mystery around it just by zelda being there like I'm going to be happy for 45 minutes if they have it at the beginning or the end because I will watch that thing probably You know a couple dozen times Equaling more than the length of the actual nintendo direct itself. So So it's going to be there. That's already perfect for me You know, there's been so much around metroid that We always say it's the time now now is the right time for metroid But now is probably the most now time there is unless if it's not there and it's at e3, but I I I could see metroid being there and if it's there that just also makes it hype for me I'm cool if it's at e3. I'll play it before everyone else. I'm good If x0 is Actually coming and that's there golden i007 unless if it launches in january and that's there and more details about the online and stuff like that You don't need too many surprises to drop for me, you know, we've got final fantasy pixel remaster come now dragon quest 3 Down the road, which that's going to be a big one as well Pikmin 4 as was, you know mentioned previously. So You know, I think it's going to be a great nintendo direct. The only thing is Okay, there is going to be an e3 and you've got to assume that nintendo is going to be at e3 Could a couple of these titles that like okay We want to hear the september november games But they could be held for that e3 nintendo direct So at most nintendo might say stay tuned for our february nintendo direct as we talk about games leading up through The beginning of summer or how they word it, but whenever they say that like to the first half of the year That's going to be till june 30th But they'll probably say and by the way, here's one more thing. That's a little farther off So I think we'll get one of those. Yeah, and then nintendo usually has A game that comes out right before that fiscal year is done You know, whether it's like curbing the forgotten land or animal crossing So there might be something that we don't know about yet that is You know big enough, but not monumental that comes out late march Yeah, so there could be a Here this is coming out in six more weeks Or there's a what hap what game comes out during that arms time slot or that Mario golf time slot something usually comes out in june and at that point, you know e3 is in june. So or yeah june So I'm gonna go with great I'm gonna go happy here and just enjoy the moment and if I'm wrong zell has got to be there, right? So Yeah, I mean here's the thing. Here's the thing I don't think we're getting a general direct In february at all I'm throwing this out there right now. I think they're just going all in it's going to be a zelda only direct followed by a nintendo tree house They're just going to go all out zelda zelda zelda zelda zelda and try to make us forget the fact that they haven't announced anything past zelda but pickman 4 And then there'll be some sort of Twitter drop at some point in the future that drops some sort of game That's going to come in june or maybe they decide to announce pickman 4 is coming in june That's always possible and really we don't find out anything until and everyone's all scared And we're all worried and we're like oh the second half of this year is going to suck and yada yada yada And then the e3 is going to happen and it's going to blow out the entire second half of whatever surprises they have because we actually felt this way going into the Early part of 2019 we didn't realize the second half of 2019 was going to be so banger And nintendo really kept their cards close to the vest and then they just said yep here we go Hardly giving you any time to prepare and I'll buy all these games and the second half of 2019 ended up being awesome You guys remember like luigi's mansion 3? Hey, that was a that was a mid-year announcement. So like I'm just saying I kind of think They're just gonna say you know what we know we're going all out for zelda And then we'll drop everything later and it sounds crazy I understand they could you know like I'm announcing a mario game would still be a big deal It's not like zelda out shines mario. They could there are two different types of games, but I just kind of get this feeling that the way they timed Tears of the kingdom in may was kind of like a yeah, you know why you guys haven't Seen us really talking about this game yet because that's all we're going to be talking about for a little bit here No, okay Okay By the way, that would still be a 10 out of 10 direct for me because I mean it's it's all the yeah So, I mean yeah, let's get let's get that off my chest first like Because it's gonna have tears of the kingdom. There's no way. It's not an outstanding antenna direct. Yeah There's no way. There's no way That said I think if you're not a zelda fan The direct will be mid at best Like that that I that I agree with and I think I mean I in my opinion pretty much there's a few exceptions But pretty much most directs are like seven or eight out of 10s for me because and what they typically do is To as you guys brought up like they're more likely going to simply tell us what we need to know until they're next direct And that's what they're gonna do. They're not gonna they're not gonna tell us about the amazing donkey kongi And that's coming out in since September, right? They're not gonna tell us about the tears of the kingdom deal see The super story quest that's coming out in November because they're gonna they need to talk about just the game itself now, right? Like they're gonna save the the second half of the year stuff for June when they need to like I mean typically when nintendo does with their directs is that they wait until they actually have to have the direct Right and usually the best way to kind of guess when direct is happening. Just look at what we know about and the gaps so Yeah, I think february is probably the right time Maybe they do announce something that happens sometime in march or april I i'm honestly not sure what that is. I'd love to say it's metroid, but I think more likely Metroid is announced in a february direct and I say metroid mean primary master and they say More details on prime four later this year So they don't actually even give us anything yet, but they will come later this year And in prime four is probably announced for like late summer early fall kind of thing and then yeah Here's the kingdom of a big emphasis obviously mark our deal see um Beyond that I think if 2d morrow is happening. I actually feels like a pretty good summer game Uh shortly not too it's not too far more from remove from the movies. They can take advantage of those sales um And it's 2d morrow would also be multiplayer be like an ideal kind of summer game kids get out of school They can play it together. I think that might actually be the best idea I wanted to say of zero, but I feel like I do believe that zero is coming out this year. I'm just not sure when they announced that I feel like that Maybe that's announced in the summer. Um, there are people hinting at of zero So it makes me think maybe sooner than later, but I'm just gonna say um I'm not expecting of zero yet, but I'm expecting a prime remaster announcement A mario game announced the more likely 2d for the summer and then tears of the kingdom is gonna be a star on the show probably in february, but If we do get a direct like say it's announced next week or something to me that says Oh, yeah, there's new hardware coming up this year and they're getting announced It's done sooner so they can gear themselves up, but more likely i'm expecting a direct in february All right, well Damn that was a good show guys. Thank you. I want to thank all of our guests for being here You guys want to give a quick plug to your channels and what you have coming we can uh I mean maybe start with start with mike. I know he's getting a little a little tired over there He actually stuck it out for the whole podcast Yeah I don't know how to be feeling great He wasn't feeling great. However, your voice got better as the podcast went up. It's almost like There you go talking nintendo is what you needed that was Yeah Anyway, um, um, you can find me at uh, mike. Odyssey youtube uh at mike. Odyssey youtube mike. Odyssey yt on instagram and uh twitter and um nintendoacademy.com for news I just launched the brand new website mike. Odyssey.com, which is more personally Yes, the the content creator mike. Odyssey. It's a brand new website just launched on february um, january 1st It went live Um, there you can see you can find all of the videos Brand new merch specifically for this year moving forward and uh A lot more stuff that I will be adding to that website. So that's going to be that the nintendo academy will still be alive That's going to be the our news Um website We have mike. Odyssey.com, which is the the content creator youtube website And then of course we have our youtube channel For your website I'm moving forward you you should inject an rss feed of nintendo academy's news under the website Under under the mike. Odyssey website. Yeah, and the mike. Odyssey website So then it's like a hub for everything and then they click on the article and it'll open up nintendo academy's article Okay, I'll do that. I'll do that and then and then there was one more thing That uh, is pretty look is looking pretty sure every now and then but but getting even better as I go along And it it looks like it could very well be A fully sanction approved With this certain giant company present This this isn't what I think it is. Is it ncon? 2024 like the company's present. Yeah I reached out to to them. I reached out to to to the big n I'm not I'm I'm speaking the Yeah, yeah, things aren't really locked down yet I'm speaking in codes speaking in code is 99.9 percent 0.9.9 percent, but I'm speaking in code until my mic signature is not down you know, um, but um Those of you know, I've been working on on nintendo calling for a while now Year a year right a year has been a year because we started working Well last year, um, it's it's basically uh all nintendo Uh convention Relate just just focus on nintendo and all nintendo ip's I've made a lot of connections with all the interviews. I've done with different voice actors or agents and and then the companies that they work for Um, they've all set present. They're literally all set present. I have the the super mario cast complete Um, they they're coming up. Um, we're working on another cast who will be present as well Um, but one thing that didn't really um, I got I got the licensing and the permission from the nintendo But I just happened to reach out to them one second time to to just to talk over that everything over and and and and um person I spoke to was very excited and over excited about about the project because There's never been a convention that's just basically dedicated to this nintendo You know, nintendo florida next year version studios by the way, um, you know Super nintendo world is opening the the following year it just makes kind of perfect sense marketing wise that You know having a president nintendo having a presence there for the nintendo world I like a like like an area to promote and then having a presence there as well for trailers and announcements so If you get nintendo demos there i'm gonna freak out. So that's what was spoken about in this meeting Um, we're I I can talk about it now, but we we'll continue to give you guys updates Um on but it's everything is looking very good very positive right now. We're looking at at the summer of 2024 um for the event And then um, yeah, we'll see we'll see what what what uh what concurred they will also be financially supporting the event prime for demo baby So, um, it's it's a good thing We're having like our own little uh, like this has expanded so much beyond what I ever thought it was going to be Yeah, it's uh, it's a big thing. I'm telling you like I started small I wanted to make like convention because I love nintendo. I wanted to make like a fan convention You know, um, I looked up nintendo con as a name and it was available. I purchased it. I want I'll see it I registered the name and everything was all available. I took it, you know with the hopes of I'm doing it You know with the hopes of of of actually putting together an event called nintendo con right and then this is before I started doing interviews For with voice actors the the more I did an interview with voice actors I I spoke to them up behind the scenes Waiting about this. Well, blah, how is it? I just started making connections with behind the scenes with with with whole bunch of people and then just kept growing and growing and growing and growing You know and until This is where we are now. So it's It's looking like we can have mario characters there the full costumes the one there gonna be in super nintendo world The same exact costumes promoting super nintendo world for the opening of 2025 in Orlando, Florida And it's going to be across the street because it's the conventions in the convention center for Orlando, Florida by seaworld and universal Booking sites tomorrow Yeah, so Let's go. Yeah, man. I'm ordering the air bnb right now Yeah, it's uh, I've always had to be able to put together an event like that. I've worked with events before but not something that i'm passionate about as much as this so I trust me. I'm building a team That's the first thing they asked me. Do you have a team? Do you have a team? No, I don't but I already have people in mind paul and uh air and And then I got people in mind Either andre and now I know I know hoops also and then you know eric Hey, if you need someone to sweep the floors, I'm pretty good with a broom Haha Be a cleanup crew, but also I'm really good at getting high scores on games. So if you need like Dude, I'm talking about I'm first level dk player there I'm inspired by by The presentation that nintendo did in one of these conventions where they just built the entire set of animal crossing Um to promote the game That was just amazing and I'm hoping to do the same exact thing but with different areas have the Hyrule there and have hyrule look amazing afar, you know, and then have have the mushroom kingdom afar also a space forget for matroid Yeah, have met of the method air have a metro area look incredible as well You know and have a section for each IP You know being well represented and also having the voice actors in that area also with with uh You know the voice the the castle mario being on under Mushroom kingdom area just just having something so much fun and unique like for people to experience nintendo You know would be cool, too. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna have panels. We're gonna have panels for sure panels um meeting greets It's gonna it's gonna be crazy and I want something I want something different I want something I want I want it to be a dream to go to you know, like uh Not just this these fan conventions that you know, but I want something to be like We're gonna have a we're gonna have a day for special needs because I'm a very special needs I'm a special needs dad my dad my daughter has autism I was a teacher for my dad my wife is a teacher for 25 years For for um an autism and I've been working with children with thousands for 10 years So I combined experience working with children with with asperger's and autism We're gonna have an entire day just for them, you know, because I know the it's you know, the the the Sensory and everything they're gonna have their own area And we're we're thinking we're thinking about everything man And it's gonna be it's gonna be big. Let me be sounds amazing. I'm only hopefully it's a Hopefully turned out into a yearly thing. This is the first year But hopefully turned out to a year thing that on the vent that we can look forward to Every single year nintendo kano what it didn't turn the cause of summer. Let's let's all get together and and just you know But yeah, man huge This is yeah It just keeps getting bigger every time we talk about it. It's awesome. Yeah. All right. Well, um Paul you want to follow that one up? What's uh, Where can people find you? What are you guys going on? All right, so I actually bought nintendo. Okay Oh Yeah, Paul Yale network on twitter Over there. Usually I post, you know, Japanese Fumitsu sales data. Sometimes I drop something Exclusive that I have recently learned whether it's the sales information or something like final fantasy pixel remaster You know that came as Nate knows like a january last year It was like a good 12 months of the making that was an exclusive Also on Nate's website nintendo prime dot net, you know every thursday morning or at some time during thursday I post up that japanese Fumitsu top 10 go over the sales of the software the hardware supply. What is my anticipation for the market going further? You know, uh, I do that also on paulgale network.com. So that's my website On youtube on paulgale network also as Nate said, I'm not as regular on youtube in what I put up, but I've been going to e3 since 2000 and you know once in a while I Share an old story from a past e3 or drop, you know random photos or give a shout out to people that have Be friended along the way folks that are nice I always like to You know give back people put the time and opportunity to Spend time with me at an e3 or at a convention built up a personal friendship and you know once in a while just Spread some joy out there. So that's usually what I am doing on twitter or on youtube and like Nate also said You know kit and crista formerly from you know, nintendo and nintendo minute fame I teamed up with them a few months ago To do a you know kit and crista karate and calisthenics with paulgale network program. So that's about Gamer fitness and so over on my channel You know with them and their discord community and stuff like that. I have you know little just workouts free workout sessions that I am Either talking about video games while exercising or just having a A different face than your typical, you know personal trainer or something like that That's maybe a little bit more relatable, you know nerd strong kind of mentality and you know, that's that's been going well because Yeah, you know what I do outside of video games is you know, I'm a I'm a university professor. I teach shodokan karate taekwondo tai chi chuan. I'm a personal trainer. So Bringing And I get together I'm an instructor for taekwondo Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I do. I mean I like getting hit a lot so I can come Yeah, you know bringing fitness to gamers talking video games I'll do unboxing videos on youtube. I told Nate this a while ago not gaming related But I like dragon ball z a lot You know, my original idea was to do this last year, but it's gonna be this summer instead Uh 11 years ago. I did a dragon ball z live action goku super saiyan Yeah, that was awesome. That was like seven weeks of designated Workout and hardcore dieting just made fun instead of like a before and after photo like let me show you in a video form Well this july i'll be 40 So i'm gonna do like a 10 years of past goku's in the hyperbolic time chamber How does he look now find out on dragon ball z? So i'm going to do a new video and like tie my old one in with what I look like This summer and hopefully get in better shape and you know, just like I said Bridging what I like of video games and fitness and martial arts and anime and just You know, that's the audience that I kind of Took to reach with that. Let me tell you 40 40. He's not that bad. Don't worry boy. He's not that bad You know, I've been there for two years now and it's not as bad as I thought I'm as young as I was mentally as you know any age like The games that I buy my kids for christmas. I'm like, I'm playing dragon ball kakura too I'm playing final fantasy too. Who did you buy this sonic game for you or for your son and dying like For all of us, you know, you you you stay young when you think young and if you You Anyways, that's that's where all that that's kind of what I do a little bit of this and that All right, next up whoops Me well for those who don't already know i'm hoopson hip hop and i'm primarily on youtube where I cover Pokemon stuff of all kinds always talking about what's going on doing cool things I'm also on twitter and instagram uh I'm even on if you're on spotify apple music that stuff. I've got remixes because Once upon a time I did remixes and I still try and do them and stuff like that. So You can find me there and I mean I've got a lot of cool stuff coming up this year So it's going to be a good year to uh Refollowing probably take you take commissions on those remixes Uh, I don't typically take commissions, but I have in the past It's mostly just a time thing because I'm just like busy, but Yeah, it's that's kind of how I started off and then I kind of expanded into other stuff. Yeah That's pretty cool. Nice and go subscribe to his channel guys. He's like this close to 300k. He's like, yeah, I Last I checked it this morning and it was like I was like 300 away If everyone here isn't subscribed went that would get them halfway to just get in there. That's awesome. Yeah All right, uh, andres restart Hey, what's up? Who are you? I don't I'm not your stranger. I'm crazy Um All right, sorry. All right, sorry What happened? No, sorry. I um, I'm looking for um For hoops uh channel and then I I forgot to mute the youtube thingy. Oh, it's also in the description So you can get to a point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this time I managed to spell my name, right? So andres restart. I got blamed for the last thing. Thanks. They're the way Hey, it's wrong. I'm like, I don't control how it's spelled guys Yeah, no, that was that was all me. Yeah, so um, but yeah, I make nintendo content in case you didn't know You can find me on youtube and twitter I I don't have like any amazing projects like what I've been described I just have some video ideas i'm working on right now the right now my goal You don't you don't have a nintendo con with a tai kawando class going on at the same time No Right now I'm just working on trying to set up a more consistent release schedule and plan So i'm trying transition to being a full-time content creator. That's kind of hard But trying we'll see but anyways, um in terms of projects I am planning A live versus discussion of winwick ray hd versus twilight princess. I mentioned this last week Is why i'm playing through win waker and i'll also play through twilight princess So that's going to be set up. It's probably going to be officially announced Sometime next week it kind of just depends on news like a switch to is announced next week It's going to get pushed up But you know if there's no crazy news next week, that's probably that's probably where we're going to get that discussion Um, yeah, I just make nintendo stuff. So check it out. It's all news speculation and fun discussions Awesome Well, I want to thank all you guys for being here if you guys uh Don't know our we have an audio version of this podcast available everywhere podcasts are heard including even on I heart radio, which does mean I shockingly heard last week's episode once randomly on FM radio And i'm not really sure how that happened. Wow. I'm not sure how that happened But apparently On our radio sometimes it appears on one of their stations. So yeah, it does when we when you have an i heart radio They randomly choose different episodes like that Episode played in my area. I don't know how many people heard it, but It's a really long. They must need a really long segment taken up. I have no idea Maybe why we got chosen but Um, anyways, I want to thank you guys all for all the support and everything of course All the live viewers any any new viewers that maybe came in from other people's channels I always appreciate meeting new fans and everything. Uh, we're on our road to 100 000 subscribers I don't know if we'll get there this year, but that's kind of a goal this year. We just hit 83 000 today So that's that's fun. It's neat. We'll see we'll see where the rest of the year takes us, but Um, you guys know what I do Did you read any super chats tonight? I read all the super chats. Okay, including Blue moon who wanted me to specifically mention That he agrees with mike and twilight princess is coming and i'm wrong about everything Thank you. Thank you. By the way, thank you. Uh, blue moon is sending me uh, she's sending me a 3ds so I can play uh um The the twilight that's why I like that game called Zelda something about the future passing president between worlds. Yeah that one. Yeah, there we go I look the future in the past I'll link to the past There's some there's multiple games like that What happens when you go you buy the cheap brand on iquil like the store brand? Oh, yeah, the brand that kind of messes you up. Yeah All right. Well, thank you guys for everyone being here and uh, hey, well, I'll be back next week Mike will be back. We'll see you, uh What else down the six pack next week next week, okay, maybe i'm working on my six Starting to jog a little i don't i don't know what do you know i read in the chat nobody noticed that eric wasn't even around I noticed poor eric Poor eric. He'll be back next week. I think I don't know. I don't know I don't have to dust guys remember me for for for um for wanting to open nintendo con And journey on All right. All right guys, we'll catch you. Well, I'll catch you next week. Well, these guys will catch you whenever Bye