 If you tell a young person so many times over and over again that you're aggressive, you're aggressive, you're aggressive, they will become aggressive. They didn't really understand what I was coming from and the thing that bothered me was they didn't try to understand. I literally just thought voiceless at the time. I felt a bit depressed seeing myself which rhyming me. Every year there will be a couple of people excluded permanently. Some are dead, some are in prison and some I haven't heard from in years. There isn't enough funding, there isn't enough support. If we take away a young person's right to education, which is what exclusion does, then we also impact on the rest of their human rights as well. I think our call for compassion education matters now more than ever because we can't afford to keep on using people. I shouldn't do that. You should never exclude someone. No, if you've got a student you should keep holding them.