 Alright, let me see. I believe we are live. Okay, we are. Okay, we are live. So let me connect with real quick. Okay, I got to turn that off. And yo, Ben, let us know how we're doing on the Mike levels, man. Cool. Alright, so check it out, everybody. We're just getting started. We're doing a quick little test on the Mike levels. Alan, can you say something just so Ben can hear you? Hello, people. Ben, can you hear me? Okay. Hello, Charlie. Alright, now, as you guys, as you guys notice, if you're here for the last few streams, we had a few technical issues. Things have been audio cutting out while I did not know it. So we got Ben. He is going to be moderating. Ben, Ben's awesome, dude. He's one of the Lightbox pro members. So he's going to be here. He's going to be making sure audio is all good. He's going to be my right hand man through this. Okay, Ben gave us a thumbs up for the volume. What is up, everyone? How you guys doing? Alright, never know how to start one. How do you start one of these things when you just go live? How about I introduce our guest? So it's late night, guys. First off, Alan, I'm very grateful to have you on. I know it's even way later where you're at out there in Australia. I'm happy to have you on. Go ahead and introduce yourself. So, yeah, so Alan Blair, obviously, my business is WP Easy. So knowing Jeffrey for a little while now through the Elementor community. And I guess always looking for new ways of doing things, new tools. So what we've got four months now been using bricks. And Jeffrey just hit me up to talk about how I'm using it and maybe ask some questions that some of you guys might have. All right. So I'm sure if you guys are like in the Elementor group, the bricks community, building businesses with Elementor community, you should already know who Alan is because Alan has been super active and involved for years now. And I've known you for a while. We connected, you know, the communities. But the thing is, you're always in there and helping. You're always in there providing value. But now you've been creating a whole lot of videos, a whole lot of tutorials and just cranking them out. And, you know, we're speaking before going live, you know, that you've just been cranking out videos, not really caring about subscribers and all that stuff and all the, what is it, the vanity metrics and things, instead just putting out stuff that could help people that people can learn from, especially from the development perspective. So I'm really happy to have you on and we're going to be geeking out, but I want this to be open so everyone could geek out. There's going to be questions, a lot of them. And I want to keep this open for everybody here watching, you know, as you are going through, you got questions about anything that we're discussing. Definitely drop them inside our chat because that's what we're doing this for, you know, for connecting with everybody out there. Me personally, I want to geek out a bit. I love just, I love this world of WordPress. You know, I love trying out new things and you and I, we both, we both got started with bricks when we, you know, we both got introduced around the same time. And I remember we were connected about it and like, you know, we're messaging and talking to each other about it, but you continue with it. For me, I, you know, time, time thing, a time, I just didn't have the extra time to learn a new tool and to get into it, but it's still something that has been right on my radar, something that I am excited about. And I really want to put more time into and plan on it, but you have been crushing it with it. You know, you've been fully immersed. You got a stack. And now I want to talk and let's go ahead and show everyone what's happening and talk about what's happening. So first off, the first question is what was it like? What was it like going from Elementor and getting started with bricks in the very first stages? It was challenging. Same as going from any builder to another builder. It's like going from, you know, PC to a Mac or vice versa. It's not always better. It's just different. And just figuring out where to find things and where to find help and where to find information. It's always a challenge. But and also when I started using bricks, I think it was at version 1.5. And I was a bit concerned because it was very laggy. When you're working in it, it was often lagging and frustrating. But Thomas at Bricks has done an amazing job of improving that. And you know, the latest version 1.7, you just don't get lag in it like you used to. It's a very new product. And they're putting a lot of work into it. They're listening to the community. And it's just getting better and better and better. For me, everybody has a different journey. I think for me, I was already pretty fluent with PHP, JavaScript, CSS, SAS, all that sort of stuff. So it wasn't as much of a challenge. In fact, it was a little bit freeing because you're able to do a lot more things that you weren't able to do as easily in other builders. And so I didn't find it much of a challenge as that goes. Whereas I know some users, in fact, I just had a chat with a Facebook guy the other day who moved to Bricks from Alamantor and he's getting frustrated with it because he couldn't find widgets to do things that he wanted to do. And he's saying things like, you know, it doesn't have all the things that customers want. And it's a big difference between say something like Divi or Alamantor, where it's very focused on mostly, I guess to say, beginners or people that are not programmers or coders. And they provide lots of widgets that you can just drag and drop onto the editor, change a few properties and you have some pretty nice looking widgets and editors in that. Whereas Bricks is very limited in that regard. It's more focused on making a editor that's very close to the DOM. So it's much better for, I guess, developers in that sense. So yeah, so that was the biggest difference to me is the Bricks is very close to the DOM. Whereas things like Alamantor and Divi are quite removed from it and quite abstract in many ways to make it easier for users that don't have those skills. So I guess that's the difference in the journey. So for me, Bricks is the best word for me is it's freeing. So it lets me, you know, get right down to like, if you put a, for example, if you put a button on the page, you get a single element. You put a heading on the page, you get a single element. When you add attributes to it, you're adding it to that element. Whereas in some of the page builders like Divi and Alamantor, you put a button on the screen and you get six elements on the screen in the editor, I should say. So it's a little bit further removed. Does that make sense? Definitely, definitely does. You know, like, I started off as a friend developer as well, and I came from that area and then jumped to Alamantor, which was more visual. And, you know, at the time, I remember when I jumped into it, that to me was freeing because, you know, before that we're limited to either like prebuilt themes, theme forest, you know, I remember trying Divi, but I also felt very limited. And the one thing I don't like are limitations. So I did find like for Alamantor, it was doing a lot of, just to do a form and to make a form look right, you know, was a lot of work on it, which is fun. But the thing is, it's like, you know, coming from a developer, it's a different mindset and looking at things, you know, and to me, that's what it sounds like, you know, what you're describing, you know, how it's a bit freeing because, you know, as a developer, you're more solution focused. You're always looking at like developments just solving problems. That's all constantly solve problems and trying to find the best way to do it. So, no, I totally get it. And really quick, just a quick update, somebody did message, if you saw me looking away, I was just fixing the description. We got a link to Alan's YouTube channel. So it should be working now. I had to fix it. Definitely check it out, everyone. And if it isn't still working, please let me know inside the chat. I got to check our moderator because let me keep our moderator up here. Big up. Thanks for that. Yeah. So just coming back to what you said before, I remember WordPress when all you had was tiny MCE and you had to do rows and columns with shortcuts. And then, you know, Visual Composer came along and it was like Night and Shade, you know, Visual Composer, which gained WB Bakery. And now people look down on those products because, oh, they're nowhere near as good as what's currently around. But they were groundbreaking in their time. Yeah. But they never, they did not continue. I feel that was, you know, like they did not keep up, I feel. I mean, that's just my, my perspective, you know, like how I see it. Like, yeah, WP Bakery was like kind of cool then. But, you know, like they just did not keep up with the times and evolve. And I think that's important. And that's something we're seeing elements we're doing right now. You know, we're seeing them trying to evolve, seeing, you know, what we want, you know, what those that are pros and developers that, you know, also want to use their tools want. I think they have a very, I mean, I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here. And look, I don't rubbish any tools. I think Elemental is a great product. And I think it's has its place. You know, the right people, right solution. It's a great product. I think they've done an amazing job with it. But in the way I prefer to work, I'm preferring to work with bricks right now. That doesn't mean everybody should be working with bricks. But that's just the way I work. I think Elemental is a very tough position, because I think I've always seen Elemental as something that made building content or pages accessible to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to do that. So it was really aimed at people that weren't coders, people that had good maybe a good eye for graphic design or graphic designers themselves, creating content in a simple way without understanding necessarily all the underlying stuff that makes it work. And I think that's great. But I think what's happened is things like oxygen and bricks and quickly and whatnot put pressure on Elemental from the professional side of things. And they're now trying to appeal to that market as well, which I think is making Elemental more confusing, you know, because the entry level users are looking to go, Hey, this is starting to look really hard. You know, if you just grabbed a section and put on the page and added some columns, that made sense. But now you've got to put containers in there and understand our flex works and I believe grid's coming soon as well. Now you sort of start to isolate those beginners. So it's a tough road. You know, I wouldn't want to make those decisions. So well, it's a good one though. See, this is thank God that we have other tools coming out. If we didn't imagine that if we did not have any new tools, if we didn't have people like, you know, oxygen bricks, if we didn't have generate press, things like that coming out, there'd be no competition to push each other like competition breeds greatness. If we don't have any competition, then we get stuck. But now we get competition and I love it. Like, you know, as soon as I saw, like, I saw that to a bricks and I like, you know, I looked at, you know, some things that were happening inside our communities and industry. And it just hit me. I'm like, this is awesome. We're in an awesome time right now. Because now competition is there. You know, and what happens to competition, we benefit from the competition. Because everybody's going to outdo each other, but the people who are going to benefit from it are going to be us. So bring it at all. That's how I feel about it. Absolutely. There's a question. I'll just I know we're going to come back to this a bit later that David Donito in the Facebook group. Hello, David. One of the questions in there was how have we considered other builders such as oxygen, quickly divvy generate press, etc. The answer is yes, but not to all. I think there's just too many. There's just not enough hours in the day. I'm going to probably upset a few people here. And if Tony's on here, I'll probably upset Tony. I can't stand Gutenberg. So anything that's based on Gutenberg is not something that's going to get a look in from me. I know a lot of people like it because it's native and they say it's done by automatic. I just think that they've made a lot of mistakes with the Gutenberg with the UI. I think it's a confusing UI. I think it's buggy. And I'm just not prepared to go there. So I was like, I agree with the, sorry, I cut you off. I do feel with like Gutenberg, but on the flip side, I do have plans like, okay, this is in my personal journey. I know I cannot learn too many things. My philosophy is always master one thing at a time. I don't like to bounce around things. I want to get really good at something and move forward. Next on my list is bricks, but right after that's generate press with generate blocks. So I already got it. I already made my best investment in it. I do want to use them for a couple reasons. First one, a lot of people that I respect inside this industry, Paul, Jonathan from Permaslug, Kyle, Admin Bar, a lot of these people that I respect, this is where they're turning to. And when we see people that are solid, that are really established in a direction, we got to like take a look and see that that's just, and then it does make sense to the other side is the fact that it's native, you know, because other things that worry me like about bricks or any builder, you know, any of them, what happens if the development team stops? What happens if they lose a key player in it? You know, if that part right there also, you know, it's a big concern in a way. And, you know, I wanted to continue like I want bricks to thrive. I really do. I really love what they're doing. I love what Thomas is doing. I want to see them do well. But at the same time, I also got to see if I'm doing this for clients and part of my business, I want to make sure it's a long term solution and a good investment. But isn't that also true when you've got to add third parties like, you know, blocksy, quickly or whatever, to Gutenberg to make it something that is useful? What happens if something happens there? So I get the point. And it is always a risk with the stuff. But look, I got no, you know, definitely, you know, like Kyle and that, they learnt how to do that really well. They use it really well. They understand it really well and it works for them, which is fantastic. But there's more than one way to do these. It's like really a decision between buying a Maserati and a Ferrari. You know, it's like, I guess we're a good sign for WordPress. We're really good signs, you know. So let me see, are there any questions in? I want to make sure, you know, any questions come up that we are answering them. All right. So no questions yet. Definitely drop questions in. All right, cool. So now you've been working with brakes steadily now for some time. You've been creating a lot of content from it. Tell us about your stack. Have you developed a solid stack yet that you use, like part of your blueprint for all of your websites? Yeah, I have. I've got a typical starter site. It's always evolving. And one of the things, like you've said before, with bricks being new, actually just go back to that. So Elementor, one of the criticisms of Elementor, which is actually one of their strengths as well, is the massive third-party market. You know, there's so many add-ons you can add to Elementor to achieve things that it doesn't do natively. And what we're seeing now is a lot more of that starting to happen to bricks and some really, really good products coming out. And the difficulty is being a complete geek is that they all look really good. You know, it's like, where do you stop? It's like, you get to a point where you're happy with it. Something else comes out, looks even better. You know, do you change your thinking or do you just keep going with what you're doing? I'm pretty happy with our mat. So I'm pretty happy with that. Where I'm at now. Do you want me to share out this screen to show you the plugins on God? Something quite new. Yeah, sure. Go ahead and do a screen share. All right. Let me set it up here, the controllers. Yeah, let me first make sure our audio is good because this is where we had some issues. Now, I figured out the issue last time with the audio cutting out with the screen share. So it should be good. Now, I'm going to keep an eye though on I'm going to keep an eye though on the moderator. Yeah, go for it. Do you want to just maximize that up a little bit there, Jeffrey? There you go. All right. So at the top of the first one, that's feeling new. That's by Maxine Begwin, brilliant dude. It's his first, as you can see, version one, advanced steamer. And I've got that actually at the moment to augment what I'm doing with automatic CSS. You can use it without automatic CSS. Hold on. Once again, sorry, Alan. I got a word that they can only see the screen. Alan's screen. Let me check real quick. Can you guys see the screen share? I don't need a type. You should be able to hear me. Oh, he says it's frozen. Is it frozen on the dashboard? If I'm moving my mouse around? Yeah, we should see the word for dashboard plug-ins. Probably a delay. Let me ask some questions. Screen share is okay from Charlie. All right. Yo, Charlie, what's up, man? How you doing? All right. It's got to throw it out there, guys. Next week, we're going to be doing something awesome on the live. We're going to be doing a tear down and break up of Charlie's site. I'm going to have fun on that one. So that's coming up next week. We'll talk about that later. All right, cool. Jackie, what's up, Jackie? Oh, it's so good to see you here. All right, cool. Let's keep rolling. All right. So this is the blueprint site. So basically, I keep this site, keep it all up to date, and just push this out with Managed WP, and just clone it when I start a new site. So most of what I use is already here. And as far as bricks goes, this is, as I said, this is new advanced SEMA from Maxime. He's still ironing out a few things, but you can actually use this on its own as a, you know, to create your own theme with your own framework. And also, I won't go too much detail of that, so we'll waste too much time. But I do use some of the features in this to augment what I'm doing with automatic CSS. Automatic CSS by Kevin Gehry is my go-to for my framework. I'll share a little bit about that shortly. Actually, I'll go to that first. So automatic CSS in the back end here, it's a framework. So basically, you set up your colors, your topography, your spacing, all your basic stuff here. And then it basically themes out your entire site. So instead of using, bring out the page here, I go to my style guide. So this is a automatic CSS style guide. So by setting all those options, you get all of this created for you automatically. And then you just apply those into your editor and it keeps everything nice and consistent. So that's my go-to for keeping things consistent. We're moving back on the lost in my own world here. Bricks extras, that's a bunch of really, really good add-ons for Bricks. One way about Bricks extras is it's really well-coded. It uses the same methodology as Bricks, so it doesn't enable anything that doesn't need to be there. So you have to go in and actually enable the things you want, such as... Yeah, I got Bricks extras too, man. I was so excited to see them come out. At one point, I wanted to go to Oxygen just to use Oxy extras, because I saw this how clean and how well-developed their add-ons were. So as soon as they put that out for Bricks, I snatched it up right away. Yeah, and they just work really well. David, who develops this, he's just super talented. Every one of these things that I've tried just works beautifully. In fact, on this one, I'm only using the modal in the off-Kansas, but they actually work better than the built-in Bricks pop-ups. They're just nicer to use. So that's the Bricks extra. Bricks forge. That's been copying a lot of criticism lately, because people don't understand what it is. And it is an absolutely awesome plugin, but it doesn't just fill one hole. There's the problem with it. Like, ACSS is basically a framework. Bricks forge is a bunch of features that you enable or disable. So the things I use in here, I use the custom font bulk upload. So you know, I think recently you did a video on using custom fonts, Jet Free. And with this enabled, instead of having to upload individual fonts and then put the right font weight and style, you just download all the fonts, drag and drop them all in at once, and it just creates the font set for you. It just saves you a lot of time. Yeah, Bricks forge is a good tool. There's so much to it, man. I barely began unpacking it. It's got the GSAP in it. Because yeah, that thing is the beast right there. It'll probably take us like five hours to do that in detail. Most of us I don't use. But just that alone, the Bricks forge panel and the animation panel for if you're using, you can use GSAP as a tab in Bricks. Just those three things alone are definitely worth the money for this plugin. The rest of it I don't use. But someone else might, but I don't use those. So that's something I have to have on every side. Bricks labs navigator. This is a really cool thing. See up at the top here, it puts that button there, and you just got a really quick access to settings, templates, pages, all the websites, anything to do with Bricks. That's all that does, just adds that admin menu. And that's a free download through the WordPress repository. But we won't talk about that. That's for PHP debugging. And I use that when I'm creating custom queries, custom PHP WordPress. So unless someone wants to know about that, I won't talk too much about that. Fluent auth. Absolutely brilliant plugin. If you don't use that, you should. So we got something coming up for Fluent Auth. Right now, I'm working on testing new security stacks. And Fluent Auth is something that I want to add in. And so we're definitely going to be hitting up on Fluent Auth. And I found some other cool security stuff as well. But yeah, man, this is brilliant. By the way, Fluent Auth is free. Like I met the founder for Fluent Auth and all those over at WorkCamp Asia. And he told me that they did this for free. That it's what they built for themselves and just decided, hey, if we have this for ourselves, we'll just hook up everybody else with it. So yeah, it's not going to be ever charged. It's going to be forever free and updated. So definitely is one of those ones that people should be checking out for their security stack. Sure. Yeah, how is Fluent Auth going for you, by the way? For me, brilliant. So pretty much install it, hit apply recommended settings, turn off some of these email settings, and it blocks so much stuff. Right from the outset. It's just brilliant. It's easy. And you've got these magic logins, two-factor authentication you can enable here. These logins and sign up forms. You can create short codes in here and stick them anywhere on your website without having to use third-party plugins to create logins, sign up, password reset, all that sort of stuff. And Anthony just said, yes, it's free. Absolutely free. Not a free review by Anthony. It's free. Yeah. So I think it's brilliant. I stick it on every site because it just helps. I was using WordFence on a lot of sites. And I still do some time, depending on the site, but I find that doing this, I also do a little bit of my HD access file to lock down logins to access to WP login, et cetera, only to Australian IPs because all my clients are in Australia, which also locks a lot of stuff down as well, but this blocks pretty much everything else. So, yeah, absolutely brilliant plugin. Now, I'm rushing through this. Sorry, guys. That Fluent SMP, all of my sites I use postmark for. So all of my email goes out via postmark. Then I don't have to worry about delivery. So all my, you know, it costs something like $10 a month for, you know, I think it's about 10,000 emails. So just makes sense to set it up. Then every site, you don't have to worry about your hosting's IP reputation or, you know, if you're on shared hosting, whether there's spammers on there, your email is going to get delivered. So that's a no-brainer for me. What else we got there? Oops. I like the email logs on there too, by the way, for Fluent SMP. The email logs I find are, I used to use a separate plugin just for those. So, you know, I love when I can streamline plugins. Oh, that is awesome, isn't it? Yeah. So frames, I don't know if anyone here has used frames. That's to do with, that's also from Kevin Gehry. So automatic CSS is a framework with utility classes and variables, CSS variables, and frames are a bunch of templates that are based on ACSS. So it's a really quick way of adding things to your page. So if I can grab a, I'm going to do a very quick one here. If I just do a new page, test, because I can't think of a better word to call it. And if I want to start... I call all my pages. I call everything test. That's why I did a little lab right there. I'm like, especially at a late night, you know, like a late night test, test everything, test that. So this is where frames works really well. So you only have templates, great templates, what kind of thing do I want? That looks good. Insert it. There's my template done. So you can do your wireframing really, really quickly. All of the spacings, all of this is all based on automatic CSS. So whatever we change in automatic CSS, any spacing, fonts, anything like that automatically updates these frames. So it's a real, it's a productivity thing for me. And I think the thing is with Kevin, Gary, and this will probably get back to him, he's very passionate. He's very dedicated to making sure everything he does is done to super high standards and everything is well researched. He's very highly opinionated, but I actually like that because I think it just shows his passion. But I really like what he's doing with us. That's what frames is all about. Instant images. What happened there? We lost it there. So Jeffrey, have you come across instant images at all? Not yet. Okay. It is a free plugin. You install it if you want an image. Take an image there. Where did our image go? At the bottom here somewhere. There we go. There it is there. Pick your image. Select an image. Instant images. And what are we looking for? Dogs? Oh, yeah. I've heard of this right here. It's pulling it all from one of those free sites. I can't remember the names of the sites now. It's under our media. And it looks like the rest of the plugins you got there though are just like WordPress related plugins, not really for directly for rex. It would be the theme right across all the board. So Jet Engine, I use on everything. Absolutely. These are all typical across the board plugins. Jet Engine is now compatible with bricks. Jet Smart Filters is now compatible with bricks. There are some things that need improving. But now you've got all the Jet Engine capabilities as well as facet filtering all in the same package. So it works beautifully. All right. So Anthony has got a question about instant images. And by the way, I got several questions being stacked up. I've been starring all of them. So we're definitely about to get to them right now. But Anthony is asking if it pulls from the full size. And I'm guessing that is like pulling out like two to five megabytes board or are they compressed? So under the media library, these are the sources it's pulling from. Unsplash, OpenVerse, Pixabay and Hexos. In your settings, you can set your maximum size that it's going to download. So it just crops it. It doesn't compress it. It actually crops it before it downloads it. Okay. Yeah. So that's the size that it'll download at. And how do you like check the file size of them? I look honest to be honest. I use these as placeholders. I'm not a big fan of using too many stock images. These are putting them in place until we get something from the client or we're going to provide something that's more suitable. So this is really for mock up and getting something visual for the client. But we also run on all of our sites. We always run Short Pixel. So Short Pixel optimizes them anyway. Got it. And David's asking, okay, he says, you see you're using Scripts Manager. I'm wondering why not using Code Snippets Pro or WP Code. Okay. So I've got both. But I prefer Scripts Organizer. The UI is better. If we look at here, so these are my JetPage options. Here's all my conditionals. Under the one element, I can have a header footer and PHP. So in my header, I can put some SAS. My footer, I can put some Javascript and then I can put some PHP in there. So under the one code block, it's got SAS Partials. So we can import those. So I can do some CSS variables in here and then import those into another code block. It's code completion here is better. You can use this focus mode so you can see more of the screen. I just think it's a better plugin. The only thing that WP Codebox has that this doesn't have is the cloud storage, your personal cloud storage, where you can upload and download your snippets. But in saying that, you can export them anyway. So you can go in here, pick on and you can export those and import them on sites anyway. It's just, I just prefer it. You've also got the Scripts Manager, where you can add scripts in here that are external. They could be through CDN or whatever you like. And then you can import those in your code blocks. So for example, my debugging code here if I want to import a that's not PHP says what's up in there. So I've got some Partials here. Scripts Manager show that and I can include those scripts to run before my script runs here. I think it's just a better for me. There's a lot more features. It's better rounded. It's got all the error checking. So if you bugger up your JavaScript or your PHP or your SAS it will put it into a debug mode and show you where the errors are. So I just think it's a really, really good plugin. I'm surprised not more people use it actually. Hey, we got a lot of questions coming up. So I'm going to stop the screen share and pull us both up. So that way, yeah, that way we could go ahead and we got quite a few of them. So first one, Anthony is tying wants to know speed difference between jet filters and WP builder. Have you had the chance to test them out yet? Yep, negligible difference. So I think jet engine got a bit of a bad rap because it was mostly used with elemental. All right. So when you're doing a Ajax request, it's uploading, it's loading all the plugins and all the back end code. And the Ajax requests are slowed down because of the add ons and the way elementals being built. I typically was seeing on a elemental site, if I was using a smart filter, around about a one second sort of turnaround time on an Ajax request. If I do the same thing on bricks, it's about 0.2 seconds. So 200 milliseconds. So I don't think it's a jet engine thing. I think it's more to do with what it's actually used with. That makes sense. That makes total sense. And let me see. We got quite a few more of them. Now, Anthony asked, why use frames if you do it first in Figma? And I'm going to throw my two cents in on this first because, look, I just picked up ACSS. Now, I know you've been telling me about automatic CSS for a while now. And I finally picked it up because I do plan on getting more active. In fact, just today, I started a talks with one of our long term clients to rebuild one of their sites, and we're going to be rebuilding it in bricks. And we're going to be doing it because they want to be heavily focused in SEO. They really, really want to optimize in SEO. And I want to make sure we can go ahead and have control and have good HTML semantics, all that stuff is good. So another thing, okay, I know I'm kind of derelling right now, but you know, like, I recently have, you know, I just came, I just finished a design with Elemental Course. I just finished it. And that course was more focused on design. And one thing that I realized while doing that, you know, like, when you're teaching a course like that, even though I could design, I could do the same system over and over, I could create the same pages, I have my system, and it's like second nature now to me to do it. But then when trying to teach it and explain it, we're looking more at the system and more about breaking down the system and how to use it. And it just got me seeing things a little bit different. When I looked at ACSS, and this was also, you know, I was just driving across country here in Thailand, it was like a 22 hour drive from the island down south back home, man. It was crazy. But then, you know, I was listening to the Permas Lug live with Kevin Gary last week. And I just like, was able to just sit down and like, you know, knock out a big chunk of my road trip. But man, I was just like, you know what, like the same system that I'm looking at with design, like this is a system right here just, you know, very similar, just like same methodology to it. And so yeah, like I was like, okay, it's time to get back, plus advanced steamer, you know, like Maxime, he's like, he's always been so helpful in the Bricks community, just always positive, just an overall good dude. And I know he's really good at what he does. So when he dropped advanced steamer, I picked up the LTD without even like thinking about him, like, yes, I want this, I know it's going to be good. And then I started playing with it. And I got excited about Bricks again, which is why we're having this talk. Now I got ACSS. And now I'm on that next part of the journey. Now going back to Anthony's question about about frames with Figma, I designed in Figma first for most of my projects, just about all of them. I like to do my whole thought process behind them, my whole strategic process. It's not just making the high fidelity mockups, but it's about planning out and strategically structuring the site. How are we funneling the content? How are we doing this? I feel that is the most important part when we're starting the design process. And from what I see in frames, and this is also next up, like I'm about to pick up frames as well, that being able to do that thought process quickly in the board, especially with something fast like Bricks, it makes a lot of sense. Now I know there's been other wireframe tools like Elementor and like templates and stuff, but I've stayed away from them. And the only reason why was a lot of them were built differently from my systems. You know, like I have a set system on how to do my spacings and my containers, and I need things to be right. I got OCD. Like if I cannot do stuff that are just not right, it drives me bonkers. I'm sure you probably feel the same way, man. But yeah, if I get like drop one container here and they're using like pixels top and bottom, you know, and then the next one sees a margins and the next one sees a percentages, I lose my, I lose my ish. So, so going back to that, I think frames to me does make sense and makes sense because it allows to go through the thinking process quickly right there on the side, get more of a visual and it's more of the strategy because I feel that's where we are very effective for helping our clients succeed by, you know, successful websites. What's your take on it though? How have you found frames to work in your workflow? Frames is, as I said, Kevin Gary, very passionate about the quality of what he puts out. So every frame you insert onto a page is using the same methodology, the same grid structure, the same variables, the same setup. It has evolved a little bit over time. But exactly what you said there, it's like using automatic CSS as a base. So if you change your spacing, or you change your font sizes or whatever, it changes everywhere you've used it. So it is a common way to, you hit the note on the head there with one of the issues I had with Elementor ages ago, where you go ahead is a really cool template and you insert it. The first thing you have to do is go and get rid of all the styles because they're all manually set on every font and every color and get rid of all those and try and set it to you with the fonts. It really bonkers those templates. Yeah, whereas this is all based on the defaults and it's all based on just black and white wireframing and then you go in there and you decide what color variables you're going to apply to it, what spacing you're going to apply to it when you're styling it up to look like what the customer's going to see. So I think it's a, it's kind of to me, I'm in two minds with frames and Figma. Frames is very, very quick to throw a wireframe together and go, here's the outline, here it is, here's, now I'm going to change all your colors, set the color values, here it's done, you don't have to redo it. It's already there. Whereas when you build something in Figma, you've got to go, Figma, you've got to go, okay, now I've got to work out how do I build that in bricks. All right, so this is a second step in that process. But in saying that, I love the speed of change that you can make in Figma and if you're doing something that involves a lot of collaboration, I think Figma makes sense. So if you're going over and over with, you know, versions and whatnot, it makes sense. But if it's a simple project where the customer probably doesn't have a lot of idea of what they want, they're really relying on you, it makes more sense to me to just do it straight and in frames. Yeah, I totally agree. Definitely makes sense. And I like what Ben said here, seven pixels, please no seven pixels. God, seven. Let's get back to the single pixel, the old single transparent pixel design. If I see seven pixels on anything, I am going to flip out, man. That's the whole different side, man. Seven pixels makes no sense. 53 pixels makes no sense. Charlie, I drove from Copenhagen back up to Chiang Mai in two days. First day, Copenhagen to Hualien, woke up early morning in Hualien, trudged straight through the Chiang Mai. Charlie's, he's familiar with Thailand as well. All right, we have another question and this one is a really good one. Do you know what? We talked about this today in our chat. All right, so Raptor asked thoughts about buying LTD for add-ons or just buy a subscription for add-ons concerns about add-ons becoming native to the builder in the future. I think it's not just about becoming native to the builder, but is this something I'm still going to be using two, three, four years from now that, you know, that that LTD would give me my return on investment. If I am going to use something that I'm just going to try it out, I don't know yet if this is something I'm going to commit to fully. And it also depends on the price point. Like if it's something that's like three, four, five, you know, on up, you know, it's tempting. You get the FOMO, especially when they have the promotion. It's really tempting. And I got a lot of LTDs I don't use anymore. And I'm like, you know, I'm a bit more careful. I think, I think it's going to depend on a couple of things. One, the price point of it, you know, if there's something that if I spend it and, you know, I could live without, like I could live with the loss, then okay. Like I got the advanced steamer and I got, I think I paid like 150 or something. I got it like the first day immediately. There's like 100, of course, FOMO, FOMO kicked in hard, but I'm like, dude, 150 bucks. This guy is cool. The developer is awesome. He is super active and helpful. He is somebody that I like and respect. Definitely. If anything, I'll just be glad to like, okay, cool. I'm happy to, you know, but it's dope. I think I got a good investment, you know, but I think if something is like, you have to really think, I mean, it's a tough one, you know, like somebody else asked down here, what are the thoughts about Cadence Pro? You know, who was that? Raptor again. Okay. Cadence Pro. You know, when Black Friday came, I think Cadence Pro had a lifetime deal, generate blocks, generate press, had lifetime deals, blocks, he had a lifetime deal and I was tempted, but I was just like, you know what? This is just what I decided to do. I'll go ahead and buy it for one year and I'll see, am I going to use it in that year? If I use it a lot in that year and the lifetime deal comes up great. If it doesn't, it's okay because if I am using it a lot, then I'm most likely making a lot of money from it and could afford to keep renewing it. So that's my take on LTVs. Then again, I'm an absumo junkie as well. How about you, Alan? How many lifetime deals do you have, man? Oh, too many. Yeah, too many, but we just had that discussion today. It's like, it's, you get to a point where you've got a draw line in the sand and I'm looking at where I'm at with what I've got for Brex and the productivity that I have with it, I'm happy with it. So when some new plugin that looks even cooler and has even more features comes out, I've got to turn off my nerd radar and go, no, I've already got what I need. So, I mean, I get that all the time where, you know, I'll put up a video showing, using someone and then I'll get a comment, oh, you have to have a look at this or try this one instead. And it's like, yeah, it looks cool, but it is hard. It's like, you want everything, but the other side of it, you mentioned the LTVs and I know this is a, this will depend on where you are in the world and the value of money, where you are. So for me, if I look at something and I think that looks really cool and it cost me a couple of hundred bucks, I'll spend that money just because I thought it looked cool. And if I don't do anything with it, no big deal, right? But obviously for, you know, in some parts of the world, 200 bucks is a lot of money. So it really depends. I'm getting more selective now. So I want to ask the question here about, I think it's Anthony about saying Kevin Gary uses Metabox for, you know, all the stuff he does instead of Jet Engine. I actually had a conversation with Kevin about that and it was just the first one he picked. He hadn't even tried Jet Engine. So there was no, I use this because I think it's better. I actually bought, talking about LTDs, an LTD came up on a deal for Metabox and I bought it. I used it and then I went back to Jet Engine because I preferred it. Now, the reason I preferred it is because I'm familiar with it and I use it all the time. So it doesn't mean one is better than the other. It just means this one does everything that I need and I already know it. So why use something else? So I think as we get lost and we end up with so many tools and we end up with ACF and Metabox and Jet Engine and, you know, just one of them will do the job. But what I love about Jet Engine, I love about Jet Engine where it gets missed a lot. And I think a lot of brands do this. I think Crocabock have done this to themselves by trying to be too many things to too many people. So they've got a lot of products under their banner and Jet Engine kind of gets lost amongst all those products. But it is absolutely my favorite product of theirs. It just does pretty much everything that you need to do to make your site dynamic. And when I compare to things like Metabox and ACF, they don't have half the features that Jet Engine has. Maybe more same with the metadata. Say, for example, Metabox might have more meta types and return types. But it doesn't have the, actually I shouldn't say this, but I don't think it has the kind of queries and relationships that Jet Engine has. And the options pages and all that sort of stuff. I could be wrong, I haven't looked at that, but I know that there's a lot that it didn't have that Jet Engine had. For me, I bought the LTD for Crocabock. So I'm like, I got to give my money. Jet Engine is like the main one I used out of the Crocabock suite. We'll have some WooCommerce projects and we'll use some of the other ones. It does help out WooCommerce. But yeah, Jet Engine is, I know $200 might be not too much for some of us in some parts. Dude, $200 is a lot for me. Even it doesn't even matter how well the agency does or anything. I still have that thing in me, man. From all the years of homelessness and stuff. For me, I'm just really tight when it comes to it. I mean, I want to be able to save that and put it towards my tech and stuff like that. I don't know. I guess I have to rearrange my priorities sometimes. No, I think I've got to rearrange my wife. My wife keeps telling me I'll spend money on things I shouldn't. Right. Anthony and I were inside of AA meetings together. We're both AppSumo addicts. With the AppSumo anonymous. I know that's just why I went home and spent too much money on AppSumo. I was kidding, man. Let me see. We got a couple others. There's a couple other good questions over here. Yeah, RaptorX, just going back to it, he did ask for thoughts on Cadence Pro. I haven't used it yet. I was really tempted to get it. I'm still open to it, like the Cadence blocks, what they have with Gutenberg. If anything, it would be for WooCommerce. Now, we do a lot of e-commerce for our agency, and one thing I do want to start doing, what we are doing going forward is we want to start building our WooCommerce on native Gutenberg. I want to start using Bloxy more. I feel Bloxy is a good thing for e-commerce. I'm looking forward to trying out Bricks though, for sure. The thing is, Woo is so heavy. When we start adding all those other things that Woo requires, it's really, really challenging to keep that flowing, like snappy and stuff. It's just such a clunky platform, so such a clunky piece of software. I know we've been doing all versions of Elementor, and we still are able to do a lot of work and speed it up. We do a lot of customizations. We don't use any third-party plugins, no third-party add-ons, and we have to do all that in order to make sure the Woo sites go fast. I want to take that to the next level, and I feel like, well, I've heard, I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard Cadence is supposed to be really good for Woo projects. I'm keeping myself open to Cadence and Bloxy as well. I'm not sure how good Generate Blocks is with that. I didn't really see too much. That's next up. First Bricks, I got to get that down. I got to mess with one thing at a time, but right after that, Generate Press, Generate Blocks are next. Have you tried Cadence before? You're doing me? No. I've looked at a few of Paul Charlton's videos on it. It does look pretty good. Just one of those things. Again, if you're happy with what you've got, it's doing what you needed to do. I'll spend more time doing that. I'm glad you mentioned that, because I started using Bricks, but here's the thing. It's not about, you should switch. That's not what this message is about, or one is better than the other. Everything has pros and cons. At the end of the day, what do you like using, what works best for you? Keep evolving, keep growing, keep learning. There's a lot more elements to building successful websites. We just got to keep learning as part of the journey. Dave is asking, if we recommend using iThemes security free, me, no. I wouldn't do it. I used to use iThemes, but the thing is, there's no WAF, there's no WAF firewall. To me, that is really important there. There are some good things about the pro version of iThemes that I did like, but I was able to remove it. I've removed it, and I've been able to do everything with, let me see, WordFence and hide my login, you know, hide login. Pretty much that does it, but I am updating all this. I'm updating it. In fact, next week in our Lightbox Pro call, we have calls in the Lightbox Pro group. We're going to be looking at using Cloudflare. We're going to go deep into Cloudflare. I think that right there is going to be able to replace WordFence as well. RIP. I just want to make it lighter. I mean, you know, like, when I was talking to, I can't, it's late at night right now. My brain is starting to shut down, and it's hard to pronounce. When I was talking to the founder at WP, what is it WP mentioned, the people who run flu reforms, you know, who build flu reforms, this is describing that they just use Cloudflare and Fluent Auth. This is like, wow, man, okay, we could cut out some of this heavy stuff. Yeah, yeah. It's a curious and interesting one though. Like, I know years ago, I wasn't even in this business. I was actually in my IT business, and we're always fixing up hack wordpress websites constantly. And it's always for the same reasons. And that was the, you know, they've just got some free theme, free plugins and never updated them. But I, so I've been hosting sites for clients for about three years now, wordpress sites, and we haven't had a single site hacked in that time. We don't go to extreme levels on security. Just at our hosting, the firewall level, we run everything on WHM. So, you know, we use mod security with some rules in there to block a lot of rubbish, you know, lock down HT access to some of the important stuff to the countries that need to access it, like, yeah, login and XMLRPC. And then make sure you keep your updates happening and only use no one good plugins. And then you just don't have problems. So I'm not sure why people need all these things like WordFence and IT and what just doesn't make sense. And Tony, Tony, dude, what's up, Tony? So yeah, he said WP Managed Ninja. That was it, man. WP Managed Ninja and Ben. Okay, you guys got to listen to Ben right now because he's going to give you the best advice right here. I'm about to show you the best advice. And that is to buy. Just kidding. Just kidding. Not kidding, but just kidding. If anything though, you know, if like people like this kind of stuff, if you guys dig this kind of like talk and engaging with it and learning more, this is why we have now the Lightbox Pro Academy. Now I'm going to be talking about them more. We started the Pro Academy. Alan is a member of Ben. There's a lot of you guys that are already members. And we get, you know, it's just more deeper like this. We get together every single week. And it's just more of a higher level of community, something high level than just like Facebook where, you know, we really get some quality out of it. You know, like next week, we're going to take a deep dive into our security systems and looking at doing things differently with our security, with Cloudflare, Cloud for Enterprise, and then a couple other tools as well. So definitely make sure to check that out. Oh, check this out. I forgot. Okay. I did have like, I did have a bullet point which I covered with my chat from Ben. We had our raffle last week. All right. And yeah, technical issues all over the place. I was in a beach hut, literally like on the beach after getting like sunstroke from snorkeling and at the beach all day. And okay, I am on here. Okay, cool. See, I got just right now just that I just had a flashback to last week of everything going wrong. All right. Like everything went wrong. Audio cut out. I was just like, man, I'm fried, you know, but check this out. We had the raffle and we got two more prizes still to give away because two prizes weren't claimed. All right. So if those prizes aren't claimed by tomorrow, we're going to do another one for whoever has a ticket still. We're going to do it again for the next two. That way somebody can win those final two prizes. I believe I'm not sure what it's going to be. I think the courses have been taken. And yeah, okay, we have we have some courses. And by the way, too, it was awesome. Like I had no idea we're going to do a raffle. It just happened. It just snowballed. It is crazy. Okay, cool. I'm like going off now. This is a thing. Like I wish we could do this like at a normal time. The thing is like I live in Asia. Alan lives in Australia. And you know, most of the people who watch these are half way around the world. So I got to adjust the time. And yeah, so you guys are going to see me late night putting my foot in my mouth sometimes. It's going to happen. By the way, man, like I have to say that after writing back and listening to I got through three hours, I listened to a solid three hours of Kevin Gary and and Jonathan from Permas Lug. And dude, it was awesome. Do you guys can check that live stream out? It's four hours long. I'm still going to watch the last hour. But yeah, they did a four hours. That's what I was like, dude, I got a man up. You know, I can't be like, oh, I got a man up. But man, it was very, very insightful. You know, it really was and, you know, kind of go back to something you said, you know, like one of the reasons why, you know, like, I was already considering ACSS. Now I'm more of a visual guy. I'm a designer. Like I started off as a development developer. I transitioned into design UI web. I have my own way of creating design systems. And I define my spacing, define my fonts. I define all these things and my design systems. But the way to translate it into the website hasn't it's been more tedious. You know, it's been more repetition over and over and over doing the same thing. And one of the things that was kind of like an aha moment and listening to, you know, listening to Kevin, like he is passionate, super passionate, especially when he was breaking down like, you know, what his tool can do. And it wasn't about selling it. It's just breaking down like, dude, this is how it could help. And I totally like it was just like that light bulb was like, man, everything I've been doing with my design systems and trying to implement them onto the site and doing the same little task over and over a copy and paste, you know, taking it over and doing everything class based and doing everything where we're setting things up in one place. It just made a whole lot more sense. You know, and yeah, so I'm looking forward to trying that out. That's going to be coming up soon. I'm sure I'll have some content around that. Once I get it down, I want to master it. Okay. Jiffy, I just want to show you one more thing. If you want to bring up my screen again. Yeah, go for it. Just just let me fix that. Let me show you that advanced theme with what it does to enhance some of the things you do with ACSS. So see we've got these little V's here now in the inputs. So all of the inputs where you can put in a value, you get those V's and that's all the variables that have been defined in advanced themas. So basically you took the V and then click on that and there's your variable. What it also does, all of your ACSS stuff. So if I just do dash dash s, I'm not going to do it from here. Go to my style, go to here, dash dash s for spacing. These are all ACSS variables and it's all auto completed, which ACSS doesn't do. And that's what advanced theme adds to ACSS. The other thing is, if you're looking at, for example, a background color for this, just grab a say my action color as you roll your mouse over, it shows you a preview of the colors. Oh, that's dope. So all of this, the also classes, if you've got classes up here and you roll your mouse over those, you can actually see a preview of those classes being applied as well. So before you actually select anything that's really, really quick, you're not sure what it's going to look like, just roll your mouse across and then select it. So yeah, so the two together can really make it more productive, which is, I just wanted to quickly show you that because that's something I thought was really, really cool about how these things work together. That's me done. Man, you know, like, dude, if it was like three, four, five years ago before creating content and just building sites, man, I would have been staying up all night geeking out already over these. These are things I've been wanting to do, man. Just the time restrictions that I've had, you know, make it really difficult, which is why I think like I have dived into it. But, you know, yeah, you know, I've already had a talk with, you know, some, some people on our team, and we're going to be looking at adding these to our toolbox for sure. Now I'm really excited about this. All this stuff is fun. It's solid. Now I know when it first came out, bricks came out. I was ready. I wanted to jump in right away and start to diversify, not like switch. I'm not like, you know, first off, I don't raise a flag for one camp or the other. Like, you know what? I'm just trying to help clients out. I want to do what's best and just, yeah, I don't get into all that, all that politics. So I'm not going to do all that, but I am, you know, looking at the tools and what tools can we use, you know? And there's still a few things that bricks didn't have yet, but they got them now. Now there is one thing, man. There is one thing. One thing that would make me feel so much more comfortable, and I'm really, really hoping. I hope Thomas removes the LTD, man. I hope that LTD gets removed. I would love to see that go into a subscription model. I want to see them grow because it's awesome. You know, I want it to be long-term. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff. We just don't have time to go through that. I just love about the thing, but it's very freeing in how you create. Yeah. So it's, we've probably run out of time here, but there's a, I made a list that I wanted to talk about, but we've talked about pretty much none of them. So maybe that's enough. Well, how are you, how are you feeling on energy, man? How is your energy level? I'm okay. I'm okay. You're okay? Yeah. Really quick. Anthony's got a question about sharing settings for advanced steamer so that it doesn't overlap with ACSS. Have you found overlap with the two? I've just updated. I've just noticed they've updated advanced steamer because all the settings I had didn't work anymore. So I just had to change those before I showed you guys that. Do you want to just share out the screen there again? So basically none of this stuff up here, these features here will interact with bricks. They just add features. You can't really use the dark mode because that uses color pellets from advanced steamer. So you can't really use that to switch between light and dark mode. All the stuff here you can turn on it won't interfere with ACSS. If we look at the actual, what have we turned on there? Find and replace, pre-order the glasses. I never want to disable that. Copy styles, highlight when selected, count classes. So you can turn all of that on, save that, and it's not going to interfere. So this here, plain classes, so we can just type the classes into there. So instead of having to select multiple classes, you just type them into there, export the styles from the class to the element. If you've got settings on the ID instead of on the class, you can put a class in there and then import the settings from the ID to the class. That's all from advanced steamer. When you actually, let's put a class on there. I'll just say box shadow on there and we'll duplicate that container. So what this does is everywhere you use that class, it puts a blue line around it. So if you've got a bunch of content on the screen and then you highlight a class, it'll highlight everywhere where you've used it and it'll tell you how many times you've used it in the editor. So that's all part of advanced cement and none of that clashes. The x-ray stuff up here, when we got the x-mode, basically turns everything into black and white and shows you where your box model is. So you know where everything lines up. Contrast checker, that shows you everything that's not going to pass AA rating on A11Y. So all these features can be enabled without and default with ACSS. I think the only thing that would get in the way is if you start using these topography variables, spacing variables, border radius, all those sort of things. If you start using those, you're going to get very confused between what did you use from advanced steamer and what did you use from ACSS? So if you're going to use ACSS, I would never use these little V symbols here and select any of those because then you're going to have a confusion of which variables did you use. Apart from that, I don't think it clashes at all. That's about it. I think that's all we need to talk about with that. Does that make sense? It does. So dark mode. I was looking forward to using dark mode. Dark mode conflicts with ACSS? It's not that it conflicts with it. When you enable it, there's an in advanced steamer to what you do is you set up your color pallets and then in the front end you get an editor and you can actually pick the colors and then change them for your dark mode and that gives you a little JSON file. You take that JSON file and you put it into advanced steamer and that becomes your dark mode. Okay. Yeah. So what you're using is the color pallets from advanced steamer. So if you're using ACSS for your colors, they don't go together. They won't work together. I would like to see you make a video on that, man. If you make a video, let me know. Definitely send me a pin because that's a video I would like to check out. By the way, yeah, by the way, do you have videos on advanced steamer coming out? I haven't actually, because I kind of looked at it and quite honestly, there's a lot of stuff that he's put in there that I just won't use. It's a lot of enhancements to the editor where it puts extra tabs and shortcuts and well, that sort of stuff, but it's, I mean, I find it easy enough to go to stall and background. I don't need shortcuts down here to do that and just uses up screen real estate, but it doesn't give me any benefit. Okay. So there's a lot of stuff I won't use. And because my workflow was heavily based on using ACSS, it kind of negates a lot of this stuff here, which is really, if I didn't use ACSS, this would be absolutely awesome. So really, at the moment, I'm really only using the enhancements for the for the build of these things here is that's all I'm really using for it. Yeah. Yeah. Max. What's that? So I'll turn all those builder tweaks on. I'll show you what it does. We actually, I'll stream. Hold on. There you go. I saw. Now we'll get all these here. Oh, the other stuff down the side isn't there. What's happening with that? Builder tweaks, tab shortcuts, toggle all. So you end up with all these things down the side here, all these shortcuts along the top, extra things up here. And it's all stuff I won't use. Like if I want to go to my background, you can click that, but I find it easy enough to go to stall background. So I'm not seeing where this gives me an advantage and it just uses up some of my screen real estate. Some people might like it, but for me, it's not, there's no benefit in it. Yeah. I'm a minimalist. I like things clutter-free. I definitely will cut that. That's the reason why I'm using now ARC, ARC browser, you know, just always trying to cut out clutter. I get overwhelmed. Yeah. Max, he brought up a couple things, a couple good points. If you're building a custom framework, then advanced steamer is fine. So yeah, I think, yeah. Absolutely. I really like, I really do like the fact they're both using fluid typography. Again, that's something else that is, you know, I really want to start to utilize a whole lot more. And then also Max dropped in here about the AI. I didn't even know AI is inside AT. Are they using some sort of AI integration? Yeah, the chat TPC. Okay. Where is it? Can you show us that real quick? Do you have that enabled? I don't know. There's the global AI panel there. It's any AI here? Does it do the same thing as Alimentar's new AI, like you just generate code or generate text or generate? Yeah. Yeah. So you've got to put an open AI account and I've got chat TPC Pro, which was about 20 bucks a month. But it doesn't work with this. You've got to have a separate subscription for the AI, for the API. So yeah. So it's, you know, I just didn't bother with it. There are some little cool things that I think I'm just have a quick look here. How much is that? But I'm looking at it right now. It's based on a usage basis. So like the chat GPT Pro is about 20 bucks a month, which I've got. But the API is on a usage basis. There you go. Open AI key. Yeah. Yeah. So Max, so when you go, when you click on the link, if you've got a chat GPT Pro, it takes you to the website to create the AI key. But when you put that into the API key in here, it tells you that you don't have any credit. Oh, okay. I'm trying to log in right now to my chat GPT. Yeah. So yeah, where are we here? So if I go with a basic text, I got to dig into this. I got to see where the API is. I would like to check that out. So there's one little cool thing that they have here. It's not, this isn't an AI thing, but you notice in the text box here, it's like this little thread. I don't know if you can see that very well there. So add dummy content. Just keep clicking on that. And you can change the mode of that too to be readable or this Laura Mipson. There's some neat little features in there if you want to use it. I actually use chat GPT for a lot of this content anyway. Yeah, it'll just be super convenient having it right inside there. Yeah. And this is, I know the battery is definitely going down, man. How about you, dude? Is that battery starting to train? What time is it over there, man? It's going to be late. Me? Oh, what's it now? Yeah. So let me show you one cool thing here. This is unrelated to this. I found this on a YouTube thing, this prompt. So this prompt here in chat GPT is for creating prompts. So you basically put this prompt in, press enter key. What do you want to talk about? Jeffrey, Jeffrey, what's your name? The Ripple? Yeah. Now, YTE. It's close. I wish I didn't. Yeah, dude. I wish I had a cool name where I could just use my name. I just didn't get, I just didn't draw that stick. What do I want to be about that? So it's going to now start asking me questions. What is the main focus of the channel? What type of content is it? Who is this targeted at? So you don't have to sit there and think about what am I going to put in for a prompt. This is going to ask you those questions that you have to answer and then it keeps revising the prompt. Then you take the prompt and stick it into another chat and it creates the content for you. How cool is that? I'll say it to you. Man, this is out here. I'm going to stop this screenshot. Man, five, six years ago, I'd be able to stay up all night, dude. Just get out of here. Now it's like bedtime hits at 10 o'clock. I'm ready to crash. This stuff is like, I just love this world, man. I just love it. There's so much to it that I just want to dive in on all of it. Dude, I got the advanced steamer and I got it. I started playing around with it and all I did was get me excited for bricks again because I got bricks. I dived into it. I started building test sites, dummy sites, exploring with it. A really great experience. I loved it. Dude, I was digging it. It was really dope. I just got busy. We got client work and we weren't ... I did not want to quickly make a change on client projects until we were ready for it. Then time just goes by. You make your content, busy with the community. It's just really hard to find time to geek out, man. I'm so glad to see that you're able to, man. You're my inspiration. I definitely want to ... Every time you hit me up, man, and we have a call or something, I'm like, yes, let's do it. Charlie, they're asking if you could share the prompt inside the chat. Yeah. In this application, Jeffrey, I can't see where I can actually add to the chat. Do you have the right toolbar right here, or is this like text, media, live chat? I do, but there's no box to put anything in. What's this going to get? It doesn't say live chat right there. Do you see live chat? It does, but there's no input. When you click on it, does anything happen? No. I can just scroll everything that's there, but I can't actually put anything in it. Oh, really? Okay, send it to me, man, and I'll go ahead. If you want to share it inside a messenger, then I'll go ahead and paste it. Yeah, Max says they use ATs used in 3.5 turbo. I get the feeling Max is an Iowa guru. All right. All right. Oh, wow, that's a hell of a prompt. All right, let me go ahead and copy that. I'm going to paste this in here. Uh-oh. Oh, it's not allowing me to paste the whole thing. It's got limitation on how much could be pasted. Okay, I'm going to paste this in bits. All right, I got to find the right spots. What about in the YouTube live? Put it in there, try it in there. All right. I'll try checking into there. Will it let us? I got it right now. I just have to break it up into three snippets right here. Oh, no, I got to go. Oh, it's going. There's the lack, dude. Try doing four hours, man, too. Hats off to those two. Four hours is dropping. Definitely check it out. It's one of those ones that, I like Permit's Vlogs channel, man. I do. He does great logs, man. Jonathan does. Who is that? Jonathan from Permit's Logs. Oh, yes. Yeah, he does. He's amazing with his lives, man. Yeah. It's like web design. You know, like when doing web design, you know, I'm looking at other web designers, other UI designers. When I was new, I was all on Dribble, Behance, you know, looking at awards. Now I study high-level design agencies, design studios, looking at their work. You know, we're looking at other designers trying to learn and trying to see, you know, and trying to improve. And now the same thing with content creation. There's so many talented people out there. So I'm always now trying to learn and see what others are doing, man, because people are doing some awesome stuff in the space. And it looks like Dribble back. Yeah. Dribble back to a comment that Zebel made there about using AT for, if you're using a custom framework, absolutely. If you don't need ACSS, what I'm trying to do is standardize what I do, so that if I get people to work with me, they use a standard system, which is why I'm using ACSS and frames. So the way I work and the way I get other people to work with me, it's exactly the same framework, exactly the same systems. So I don't want to be recreating my own frameworks. I did that before I created a SAS framework before I got ACSS. And then I realized it was it was actually less work to actually get something that someone else is already creating and supporting. So, so yeah, but for smaller projects, or, you know, if you really don't like ACSS, then it's definitely doable. Max is actually an AI. He must be related to him, Ron. Yeah, man. Okay, it looks like I can't copy and paste that snippet in here. It won't let me. It's too long. Unless I do a bunch of small sentences. You know what I'm going to do? I got it right in here. When this video is done, when we're done here, I'll put it inside the description like all the way down in the bottom. So you guys could take it from them. The other thing I did with that, what is it called? It's a really cool, I mean, we're way off track here, sorry guys, but it's an extension. Chat GPT prompt genius. It's a Chrome plugin. And you can save your prompts so that you just have to click on your prompts and use them wherever you want. So that's where I'll put that one. So I just click on that and then start typing what I want. You know, truth is I barely started using chat GPT. Like the whole AI thing like took off. I'm just too busy and other stuff, you know, and I did not want to create AI content because it's trending. I know that I could have got a lot more views, a lot more subscribers and all that stuff. But you know what? It's like, I want to know something and actually use it. And, you know, it goes back to my time constraints on, you know, picking up something like that. I felt like I really wanted to learn it. Now, recently I was, you know, having coffee with somebody who, you know, builds SaaS products. And I saw his workflow with chat GPT. And after like walking through it and checking that out, you know, that right there got me to start digging into it a little bit, a little bit more. So now I'm starting to utilize it just in those stages. But still, before I could even start to create content, I really want to know how I could use it and how far I could go. Do you know what the thing is? I've done quite well with that. I still write my own blogs. I still write my own emails. But I know I could go a lot faster for some things. I don't know. We'll see. Maybe I need to evolve like AI. My biggest use for it is, you know, that bottleneck you have with clients where they're meant to create content and copy whatever it is. And it just holds up the whole process. And if you give them loremipsum text as a placeholder, there's nothing for them to go on. There's nothing to stimulate their thinking. But if you ask some questions, chuck it into chat GPT, put some content in as their placeholder, it might be close enough to what they want, or they just think about it and change a few things. So it's just better than loremipsum. Yeah, you know, I got some thoughts on that, man. I got some thoughts. So and this kind of goes back to, I've been thinking about this also about CSS and writing CSS earlier, and I'll show you how they connect. But all right, when it comes to like writing those, like, I believe like, like we design content, right? Like, you know, I remember when I was new, we would ask the client for, you know, send us all your content. We don't do that anymore. Instead, I designed content like, here's what we're going to place it. Here is how much we're going to add right here. And here's what we're going to write about. And I can go in just write, okay, go ahead and write the description about this. We want the tone to be like this. We want to achieve this. And I'll actually write it in my workflow. Now, by doing that over and over and over, I believe it keeps like the writing muscles strong. And I think that if I were to stop doing that, my writing muscles would be weak. And the way I feel like this ties into CSS. Now, when I was brand new to building websites, I was all over the place. I was trying to learn all these different programming languages. I had no idea what to do. I was just excited in this world until I met my first mentor. And he's the one that stopped me as I do choose one thing and master it. That's how my whole master one thing at a time philosophy started. And I chose CSS. I fell in love with it. And that was my sole focus for a long time until I got into design. But back then, I started building sites by code. I didn't even know WordPress. My first client sites, I didn't even know about WordPress. I was just doing HTML CSS, JavaScript, bootstrap, stuff like that. And, well, fast forward. Now, after years of using Elementor, my CSS skills aren't what they used to be. I feel like my muscles, you know, and then when I do get the chance to go in and like start to create something, you know, like start to do something, man, it like re-energizes me, man. It brings that passion back out. But then I also realized a lot of things have come up. A lot of things are new. And how far behind am I, you know, because I'm not using those muscles. So with that, you know, chat gpt and using it, I don't know. I think I'll look for situations where I can use them. But I still want to keep my writing muscle sharp because I can go really fast already. It's hard for me to speak, dude. I got a speech impediment. I say the wrong things. I put my foot on my mouth. And I used to write like that, too. But by writing over and over and over, like, I could crank blog posts and I could write short descriptions and stuff. And it's fun. Okay. Yeah, okay. I mean, there's a lot of poor use of it. Like, I see a lot of really crappy code coming out of chat gpt. Write a description of what they want. They get something that kind of works, but it's not very good. And it's copy and paste because you don't actually understand it. But it's, yeah, so it's not perfect, definitely not perfect, but I think it's just a really good start. Actually, if I'm trying to think of an idea for some code, I might put an idea into chat gpt. And it might stimulate some different thinking, but you still need to know what you're looking at. Yeah, but our moderator has just checked us. He says, we're going in a wrong direction. Been good one, man. Good one. Yeah. He says, we'll have to change the video title later. Yeah, we will. How does that even start? Okay, we're looking at AI's integration. Technically, it was somewhat aligned with bricks. There's one question I want to ask before we get off this. For anybody new to bricks, what would be your suggestions on getting started? Like what path would you suggest for them to take to get started to learn it and being able to use it effectively? It's like everything else. It's like just basically jumping in and looking around, clicking on things, seeing what's there. There's some great resources. Bricks have got one called the academy.bricksbuilder.io. There's a lot of information in there, a lot of videos that are from actually from bricks. There's some resources, a really good tutorial site called brickslabs.com. They're really good. Kevin Geary does a lot of videos. He was a big oxygen user, but pretty much everything he does now is on bricks. I don't know if you guys have seen, I think every Wednesday in the US, he does a live call website for domis. Most of the stuff he talks about when he can is to do with ACSS and bricks in there, but you pick up a lot of little tidbits that just point you in the right direction. It's a matter of, I guess just getting into the academy would be the first point because it's got all the stuff from the actual bricks creators. One thing I do find is distracting and not just for bricks. There's a lot of video tutorials that people do out there and there's a lot of, there's some really good stuff and there's some stuff that really doesn't make sense and it's not good advice. I think if you go to the source, it's just a better way of doing it. When I was looking at video yesterday and it was all, it was a brand new video, I only put up two days ago. It was a suggestion using old JavaScript and jQuery and all sorts of stuff which wasn't necessary. So for a new user, that'd just be confusing. But yeah, I don't know what else to say. They just get in and do it, but it is one of those things where if you're going to get into bricks, you really need to be someone who really wants to understand how it actually works. Not necessarily down to a JavaScript article, but you need to understand HTML and CSS to get the best out of it. And if you're not that kind of person, if you'd rather just get widgets, it may not be the best builder for you. Yeah, I think, and I feel that if anybody getting started, even if it's a newbie building websites, you know, brand new, anybody like branding to building websites, I feel it's really important to start learning HTML, CSS, start taking, there's a lot of good free resources, check out Scrimba. Scrimba is a great platform for learning code. Check out, I learned on Code Academy and then just start practicing and trying to build sites without WordPress. If you could do that, and then when you use a builder, whether it's bricks, but even if you're using Elementor, you won't be limited. But definitely by understanding, you know, classes, IDs, and just the way it all works, it's going to make a whole lot more sense, especially the whole way the classes work inside bricks. And real quick, I just got to share, like, one of the channels that I really dig is designed by Cracka. Yeah, so if you guys want to learn something, check out Cracka's channel. It is really, really good. Also, don't forget to check out and subscribe to Alan's channel too. Definitely got to do that. Yeah, if you're any confused, I tend to deal with the things a little bit more than, you know, how do you put a hitting on the page and change the color. So Max says he told you just derailed us. Yeah, you did, Max. You did, man. And then Dave is still trying to take us in that direction. Dude, I don't, do you know what? The same thing with me, man, the code from ChatGPT. So I was testing out Elementor's new AI and I really wanted to, like, really use it before creating any content on it. And the thing is, when you use ChatGPT, you ask it to do one thing and you could ask it to do the same thing and it's going to give you different code. And, you know, they don't always, you know, I'll try and do something like, you know, give me the, you know, write out the HTML, give me the JavaScript and the CSS for a slide out off canvas menu. And, man, the results I got were all over the page. Let me just code this thing. Let me just, yeah, let me just get some coffee dude and just go to the coffee shop and have some fun. So I'll finish off here. So Max made a comment there about teaching you to use regular website, not some special magic. 100% agree. And that's the favorite thing for me about bricks is lots and lots. I've got a list of things that I love about bricks. But the absolute favorite thing for me is that when you look at the structure panel, it is pretty much a representation of what's going to be on your DOM. It's not going to be loaded with wrappers and God knows what it is pretty much what you're going to have on your DOM. The second favorite thing is that the way they've implemented their divs and containers. So you can create any semantic HTML structure you want using the bricks UI. So if you wanted a HTML table, you can create that using the bricks UI and it's a semantic HTML table. You don't need a table builder plugin that you've got to feed in dynamic data and you just create a loop in bricks, put the elements on the page and it just works. A simple thing like a unordered list, or you just add a div, make it a UL, add another one under it, make it a UL, an LI and then a loop on that and you've got a list. And it's just super clean, absolutely super clean. Will we go there? Yeah. But Kevin. Yeah, he mentioned a Kevin Powell. Yeah, definitely check out Kevin. He presents what he really doesn't waffle like I do. But yeah, and the other thing is when I mentioned the loops, I mean like I looked at the elemental loop. Look, it's a leap forward from what was there, but you've still got to create a template. Yeah, you should actually click on that and create a template and loop on the template. Whereas in bricks, you basically click on any element, any container element and say loop this. And then anything that's under that is part of that loop. So it's extremely easy. You don't need to create templates. It's just, it's really intuitive, very, very easy to do. Okay, like a couple words I'm very careful with are easy and simple. I feel like we got all this experience. So it feels easy for us to do it, but it took us a while to get to a point to even understand it. You know, I think like the one thing that Elementor does do well is they make it very user friendly. They're good at that. Like the way they did do loop builder, like, and this is just my opinion, I think that they did loop builder very well for the end user who is getting started, who doesn't really, you know, is like into dynamic, you know, dynamic data who's not like, you know, doing ACF and, you know, been building sites like that. Like you just go in, click, you drag and drop, you loop it out. Like, wow, that to me, that's an Elementor way of doing it, which is great. And, you know, like the one thing, this is the one thing I like the most about Elementor. All right. It makes it, especially in this time, where, you know, in 2020, so many people lost jobs. So many people had to, you know, lost, don't know what to do, pivoting, looking for new careers. Like, you know, earlier I said, I don't have, I don't raise a flag for anybody, but I do, you know, like it was in my mind, like, I do raise a flag. I raise it for web creators, you know, whether you're new, older, you know, my team are web creatives, you know, like my mission is to help people build web businesses. And like, it all kicked off when COVID hit, you know, and I saw the despair and I saw the hopelessness. We saw it. It's all over social media. It was everywhere, you know, and it hit me because I know that despair. I know what hopelessness is like, you know, I went through it for almost a decade. And I know what it's like when you can't see a better tomorrow. So the thing I like about Elementor, it makes it a lot easier for people to get started building something for other people, start generating another income, start building, you know, their, their path into it. Like, dude, when we had to do, you man, you're, you're like old school, man. Like, I didn't even know what internet was at the time you were using like, like, I like, you know, I'm fascinated by all you've learned and all the knowledge you've had throughout the years. But, you know, like, it was harder to start back then, you know, to get started and get good enough, you know, so that is the one thing I like. And, you know, when they build tools like Blue Builder, I feel it's really intuitive. Now, okay, we're going to DBA for something. And, and you and I were talking before, and we saw some questions David added inside Facebook, and we're like, ah, should we even touch that one? There was one question though, David asked, and I think we should touch it because it's late night and I don't have a filter on my mouth right now, dude. Go for it. All right, he asked, all right, what improvements do you think Elementor should make? Okay, I don't know if I'm opening up anything right here, but you know what, I think I want to know what improvements you think, man. Okay. So, I haven't been doing a lot of work in Elementor lately. I just had quite a few clients with Elementor, I'm doing just, you know, a little bits and pieces with it. But I have noticed that they have been doing a lot more in the last probably six months than what I've seen them do in the last year, in previous year. So, there's a lot more features coming in. I'm a little confused about what they need to improve because you make the point about it being really user friendly. It's really about the beginners or people who don't have all the coding skills. And I think there's a really hard line between making it super easy for them and adding all the complicated features that the more advanced users want. And it's not an easy thing to do. I think they're doing a pretty good job of what they're doing. But for me, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and I said, I wish they had a pro mode. I wish they could turn on a pro mode and get rid of all of the wrappers. Now, if I stick a button on the DOM, I want a button. I don't want a widget wrapper and then a wrapper around that and then a span and then an overspan. I want a button, which would be a span anyway or an A tag. And even with that, I can't put any attributes on that button because if I put attributes in Elementor, it puts it on the wrapper, not on the button. So, it's really giving you more deeper access to cleaner code. I think it's really, if they want to go for pro users or more advanced users, I think they need to have an option to clean that up. And chat with just a Facebook chat with Verdi probably four months ago. I understand why they can't do it for all users because there's so many third party add-ons that rely on the way that it's already working. If they make a wholesale change, then Elementor doesn't work anymore for those add-ons. And I think they could actually, for those people who actually don't care about all those other add-ons, they just want something that's as close to the DOM as what Brick says, have a button where you can say, I want this to be pro mode. And I understand that's probably not going to work with dynamic and unlimited elements and, you know, Crocker blocks, plugins. But that's what I want. I think that's something they could do, and then they can then appeal to. Sorry. A pro mode. I'm just asking when that is a pro mode. Or whatever they'd like to call it. So, it makes it more, more like, and the other thing is one thing that drove me to Bricks was the way it handles dynamic content. So in Elementor, in a input or widget, you click on the dynamic button and you select a thing, a dynamic content. And that's all you can have. You can't have this plus, this plus, this. Whereas in Bricks, it's just a token in an input. So you can have multiple dynamic bits of data there, plus some static data. It doesn't really matter. So you've got a lot more control over that dynamic data. And even I discovered that even if you create content using Gutenberg, like you create a post and you create it with Gutenberg, if it's rendered in Bricks, those dynamic tokens work as well. So, sorry, go ahead. I'm just saying it's a much more usable way of getting that dynamic style to work. Everything makes sense. My brain is like, yeah. But David, yeah, I'm sorry, man. It gets laid in. I don't know what it is, man. Like a few years ago, this wouldn't have happened. Trying to reverse that. Like, I'm on a mission right now to, like, my diet has completely shifted, working out a lot, but really trying to reverse age right now. David brought up that you could add the custom attributes to the tag. I think that's new. Yeah, no, it doesn't. It actually adds it to the, I tried it, it adds it to the wrapper, not to the button. So let's say you add AriaLabel to a link, right, and you want it to announce the screen reader to announce this is the link, this is the label, the label actually gets put on the wrapper, not on the button. So now question number two, we got to follow it up because we got to keep this, I want to make sure everything is even and equal. What is the one thing you would change about Bricks if you could change anything? I think there's, and this is kind of the opposite to what we're saying about Elemental because of the market. I think it's a difficult thing here. Bricks needs to make money. To make money, they need to attract a broader audience rather than just these nerds like me that want to just do coding, right? So they're not going to make any money out of us because there's not enough of us to do that. So they have to add widgets and they've just added a mega menu, they've added the pop-ups, they've added all these things, they're adding some new widgets, while there's still some improvements that need to be made in the Builder. And I would rather see them spending more time on making the Builder better than adding new features that you could already get from third parties or build yourself. So it's the opposite to Elemental in a sense. Does it make sense? It does, it does, and that's very interesting because that is the one I would like to change about Elemental. Rather than focus on the core elements, instead of adding a bunch of new features, especially when the features stay in beta for a long time. For me, I just look at like, I don't even, I use probably a handful of widgets, literally like, probably six widgets. Like, that's how I've gotten down to, like, my stack in the flow through time, I use like six widgets, that's it. I just really want those to work well. Yeah. So I'm just saying, I'll use functional widgets, like if it's a accordion or a toggle or something like that, because there's some JavaScript attached to it there. But if you want an icon list, don't use an icon list widget, because you're going to limit what you can do with it. Build it yourself, build a grid, put your icons here, your text next to it, another row, build it yourself, and you've got complete control of it. If you stick a widget on there, you can only do what the widget's set up to do. Yeah. Max made a point here, and this is something, actually, Jeffrey, can you just share the screen again? Is that okay? I'm just going to pretty quickly show this. Sure. So, Max, I'm going to show you just how the dynamic data works. I'm just in a text box in bricks here, just on the left-hand side there. And if I get dynamic data, I want the post title, and then I might want a colon, then I might want the post link. You know, that's how dynamic data works in bricks. Now, Max also mentioned that you can actually echo out. You can actually create your own PHP function, and you can echo that function out there. You can pass parameters to it. So, all of this will output in that dynamic data in bricks, whereas in Elementor, what can Elementor 1 open? I don't think I have. You get a dynamic data link up here. You pick one thing, and that's all you get. You can't add and chain these things together. So, that's something they could improve. Does that make sense? It does. It does. Let me see. Ben mentioned ability to turn off unused elements. I definitely would love to see that as well. I like what Max also shared. He wants to see more templates, more good starter templates as part of the builder. I haven't played with the templates yet. I haven't played with them or really used them, but when I first started using bricks and testing them when it came out, I really liked the idea of how they set it up, how you could share them, how you could build your own library, how you could put in public, and so on. Have you had a chance to use the templates yet? Do you experiment or use any of the ones in, whether it's in a bricks library or in other libraries as well? I didn't find the templates in the bricks libraries that useful. So, I would create my own. In fact, now that I use frames, what I'll do is if I add a frames template, and then I modify it, I'll just save that as a template to my own library and then use that from there. And then they're all using exactly the same structure, the same variables, the same color palettes, all based on the same code. And I know what Max is saying, yeah, it's another third party thing. And ACS is one that doesn't do LTDs. They do annual licensing, which can get expensive for some. But I like the fact that there's that consistency between everything you do, everything, every site you build, every person you get to work on, it uses exactly the same system. And again, like I said, with Elementor, the biggest problem I had with their templates is every one, every part of every template was styled at the actual widget level. So you can set up your theme, you can set up your theme, chuck a template in there and it looks completely different to everything else unless you undo everything they've done and then redo it. Yeah, I've always had a challenge with the templates and my challenge has always been like, the template doesn't use a system. I can't really use it. It needs a system that works for me and it's better for me to build my own with my own system inside of it, which is the reason why I'm looking at frames because if I'm going to start using ACSF and I'm going down that road that's coming up next, it makes sense. It's a system and I would love to have something that do things quickly. You mentioned it earlier, I mean, why have to rebuild something that's already been built? Look at dude, we just had two hours, man. This is the longest stream I've, okay, four might be okay, like I might have to try to do a four hours sometime. Yeah, let's go do that tonight. Yeah, forget about productivity tomorrow, right? Max will be okay because he's AOI but the others might get a bit tired. Dude, I forgot to even check if I got a meeting tomorrow. What do we have tomorrow? Oh snap, I didn't put it in there. I know we have our call tomorrow for the Lightbox Pro Academy, so that one's coming up and it's going to be a good one. We're going to be talking about pricing. Dude, I know this is one off topic and we're probably going to be bringing this up here on the live stream. If you guys want to see more topics about this like pricing, how to do different pricing structures, different pricing plans, different ways to increase sales. So prices, not just the prices for our projects that we do, but just the overall revenue that we're bringing in, whether we're running an agency studio or just freelancing. Let me know, start to send comments about that because that is the kind of stuff I love talking about. I love the business side to all of this, but then I also want to geek out on some tech as well. Oh snap, we got to call it 8 a.m. and I'll see you early in the morning. What's this? Is frames tied to ACS or does it? Yeah, it uses a lot of ACS variables Max. So when you say is it tied, you could create your own variables with the same names in your own framework, but that's the only relationship between them. Actually, all the frames now don't use any utility classes. They only use CSS variables. So you can create your own that exact same name and you don't need it. Cool. With this, I think this is a good segue to go to bed. So now that I realize, we got a group call at 8 a.m. inside the morning. This is a challenge of living Gary is live. Kevin Gary is live. Okay. So there you go, guys. Go jump to the other side. I really appreciate everybody being here and watching and being part of this. I look forward to keeping these going every single Wednesday. We're going to keep doing this. Recently, since we started doing these lives, I've been digging it. First off, it's terrifying being live on YouTube. For somebody that's super introverted, you might not be able to tell. This is not that easy, but once we start going, man, and once I start connecting with people like me, which is all of you, I dig it. I get off these calls all the time, just pumped up. And then learning too. I've been learning from Alan since we've connected and just keep learning. For me, doing these and connecting with you guys and staying in this is a good way to stay in the process of learning and growth. So that's it for my piece. Alan, do you have anything before we sign off for the night? Same, mate. I learn from everybody. Learn from you. Learn from Kevin. Learn from so many people. And that's what I love about this. It's just constant learning. I think the best thing we can do is take our egos, put them aside, and always listen to what other people are saying and learn from it. That's why I love doing this. It's why I saw my IT business so I can do this. So, yeah. Thanks, everybody. All right. Thank you, everyone. You guys all have a good night. Thanks, Ben, for the moderation. Appreciate it. We'll be back next week.