 Okay, here we go holy cow. I'm sweating because it's hot in here, but also because I'm jacked You know why because I follow maps programs by the way We're gonna give away a maps program again Because that's what we do on every single video that we post on this YouTube channel because we love you guys and girls And everyone else that identifies as something else. We love all of you Here's how you can win a free maps hit program So in today's episode we talk about some of the first jobs that we took Adam for example milked cows One time a cow pooped on them. You'll hear that in this episode really interesting story Nonetheless, let's hear about your first jobs in the comments. Talk about it Tell us why it sucked why it was great what you learned from it We'll pick the best comment and if we pick the best comment and it's yours You win free access to maps it also subscribe to this channel and turn on your notifications. Otherwise you win nothing Finally, we are running a sale right now Maps hit and the no BS six pack formula 50% off You can go check them out at maps fitness products calm just use the code July special with no space for the discount All right enjoy this podcast. It's a fan, bro Yeah, we used to do that in school all the time. It's hot in here Yeah, and what I was saying is back in the day thousands of years ago Whatever Kings and Queens didn't have a see right because it didn't exist. No and by the way This is kind of interesting factoid. You're lower middle class today. You have way more stuff than Kings and Queens did 500 years ago. So why are we still complaining anyway? They would have like servants and stuff like just stand there with a big like like a big like leaf Or I don't know what they would use big fake and they're just all day long. That's what they would do. That was your job Jesus this feel good The poor bastard who has to feed them grapes all the time You think always slaves and then it was just That particular thing but I feel like there was gotta be a time to there's gotta be people who wanted AC They weren't Kings to it had money. What do you mean? Like somebody who had Yeah, that's what I'm saying before yeah before we got to a place where did your foot just touched mine? There's something very Those are the feet I grip really well you guys I grip but I don't do anything. You look like you climb trees with that's it though Like just or it looks like the fun what we smashes them Hey, I'll tell you guys so my dad has this he calls it like hammer toe whatever but like You got to a point. We had to break each one of the toes. Oh, yes. I have that to look forward to I'm not happy about it That's right your toes arthritis is toes Yeah, cuz they curled so far where I started curling under and putting pressure you got like really painful arthritis Is that now hold on is that because your dad cuz your dad's a big guy? He's a big guy. Yeah shoes never fit. Maybe I have no idea because I have the same thing So I don't know why that bad. It's oh, dude. I mean it could be worse Yeah, it could be have you guys ever seen pro basketball players feet. You ever seen those are disgusting, too Yeah, his feet are like it's like smash. Oh, yeah, this his toes are on top of each other I think it's Have you seen I don't know if I okay, so it's very common Look up pro athlete's feet boy his search Like a disgusting foot just right How to murder someone athlete's feet Yo, it's coming, but if you're if you're a big guy In your not and you don't have a lot of money like where's your mom gonna find size 15 shoes? You know I'm saying so she's gonna go to the store And be like what's the biggest one you think that's circus that's that's what happened Yeah, why do you think his feet are like this? That's not natural. I mean, I don't know I don't know why it's cuz he grew up didn't have the money to buy size 16 or what have you read an article or a story I've read articles about that about tall the same zoo friend ones of yours. I feel Yeah, I talk to my zoo friends about that one I didn't really pay that much attention I'm on to this guy. They're not real scientists. Yeah, I have friends that are experts in the toe The other day dude even when he's wrong it sounds right Someone agree like where would you get that big a shoe? It's true. What are you gonna get what size shoes your dad wear? But he's like he's these 13 half for 14. Yeah, so you can think of these people are they've been just in tiny shoes Not I mean, I know that's still the like the press what what culture was that where they used to Japan is a Japanese Oh, they used to bind the feet. Yeah, they used to yeah, is that what it's done China China. Oh, I thought it was oh, yeah Right, wait. Oh, no, no, no, I thought it was China. Okay. Yeah, it was China. Oh, and they used to like Oh, they want they wanted women's feet to be small right? Is that what the that's correct? Yeah Yeah, so they were desirable keep them in a certain size So okay, that makes like sense, but you're applying for you I swear, I thought it was there are 15 size shoes. You're right. It was only China. Yeah, I should know this Doug knows everything about Japan Weird about it. No, you know these so they would bind their feet so much Have you ever seen pictures of what these women's feet look like? Yeah, it's like this wish I didn't like yeah Like s is underneath it. Yeah, it's like it looks like a little hoof and then the toes are like that's super sad And then when they walk it's like There's that and then there's also those cultures where they have Really long toenails that they just let go forever And then they almost calcify because they're so big and long and they're curling all the way out It's like they can barely walk. They have to like Get things to prop them up. I don't understand is how that was how is that an attractive thing? I don't know. It's like a display I don't know I think it's just different in some cultures desire certain things and I feel like becomes a Celebrity in their culture because this is what happens here, right? A celebrity says something's cool Everybody says it's cool. I bet you somebody back in the day was like, you know what it's cool to have long-ass time service like let's do it because You know ooga booga has it or whatever. He's making up a name from a tribe But listen eight so so here's the thing with feet. They're gross. I don't really bad for I know I just try to come up with a weird name. I don't rock rock, right? Yeah, I don't understand the deal with feet. I don't get it. They're gross all the time no matter what feet are gross All right, I don't like feet. I agree Women's feet like women's 60 feet. No, no Listen, I my wife has the most adorable feet, but it's not I'm not like I pretend to like them. I'm just Massage him at you know way over here Toe sucker not a toe sucker. I would I would kiss your toes She was a G1 basketball player I will suck your toes baby. What's the thing? I don't though. I'm not a big toe sucker But I also think that we should get cute feet. Yeah, and I like cute feet. I don't like ugly feet, though No, yeah, there's there's just there's some cultures you guys ever seen those There's a culture. I don't know where they're at, but they would put brass rings. Yeah on their neck There's like that National Geographic. I remember those pictures. I did trip me out The one thing we all when we're like, yeah, we're on the same page came out at the same time 17 there was some nudity you get past the neck rings It's like yeah, I probably didn't finish the whole article. I can't tell you why they have the rings Hey, it's a good mind. They just said I remember see you There's probably tits on the next page. That's me on Mar. That's really me on Mar Yeah, me and what that's gotta be so the longer the neck the more beautiful the woman Now you know that they're next could we get so stretched and weak that they had to always wear the ring forever If they took them off, they're like, yeah, oh weird That's such a gross. It's weird and then there's the culture that what do you see today of that? Well, there's gotta be something. What do you see today? Think about it? We got Lobs that are like way out to here with holes even stuff. That's accepted think about We got lizard man, dude. Have you guys seen that guy? Yeah, that guy's weird, dude But think about the accepted stuff, right? I mean more like like Like people aren't walking around like that let go like I want to do that, you know But people are doing ass implants and butt implants and boob implants. Yeah, calf implants and facial This this weird like I just went through a windstorm plastic surgery face overhaul I mean if you were someone, you know, yeah, there's a lot of years from the future and you would bag you drop Think about it if you go back 500 years and somebody comes or someone from the past comes the future and then they see like 60-year-old Beverly Hills, whatever with like perky ass boobs. They're like, what the fuck Is nine-year-old ladies just yeah, this is weird Yeah, why is that young woman have an old face or whatever, you know, it'd be really strange And you don't think they would go like wow, they figured that out You don't think it's like that I mean, I guess you don't go back and you go like, oh, that's brilliant They figured out how to elongate the neck by two feet. No, no, I don't think so. By the way, did you know that bra's? That if you wear bra's all the time it actually causes the muscles that support the boobs to atrophy and boob sag more Yeah, so going bra less is better for perkiness in the boob area burn the bra's ladies. That's that's true I actually read that I thought there was a certain amount I don't think I don't think it's all the time. I think I think all the time isn't great either for what keep it a Burkey, huh? Yeah, well, let's see the article you're talking about. Do you remember what it said exactly what it said some point No bra all the time is gonna help. Well, I'm sure if you're running or doing something like that Yeah, there's I remember there's I remember reading something similar to that that there's benefits to not wear Jumping ropes. I don't think it was like never wear it. Yeah, it's the same reason why you would think the weight of it would pull down Yeah, it make it like all the time would also make it kind of sag too. Well, not just sag you probably injure yourself Well, yeah, if you're trying to move, so I think I think I read the same thing you did a long time ago That's been around for a minute. Yeah, and there's Also, I mean, you know and in most cultures, especially modern hunter-gatherers the man will always Support their their junk and I think again. Why you put a sock in there? No, I don't Know they would do it because of running I know what I'm talking about He's a guy that would exaggerate it way too much, too, bro You could have rolled some ankle socks in there and it might have been realistic instead He's got a funny story about this knee-high socks. They're rolled up. We'll guess no socks dude So our our wrestling team like and this was kind of it's it was funny because a lot of these guys are my friends They play football mean everything but they actually went out for wrestling I never wanted to go out because of the unitards that they wear, right? It's so they're wearing these things these singlets and we got to like a rally first for the school like assembly And so we're all sitting there watching they come out and they all like just they had socks taped on the inside like this and did a Whole WWF Thing but like it was so bad dude. They got so much trouble. It was hilarious. Wow. You can't do that anymore. No, like It was almost like you know 80s movies like porkies or whatever like it was like we're doing stuff like that You can't be walking. I will fix it. Did you what was that? I saw this But I thought I heard you talking about so but I didn't I didn't get a chance to read it But I saw it pop up I got tagged on a bunch of it and it was during the Olympics. I don't know what sport it was And there's the picture was two girls on the podium that they're crying and then one girl that was turned with her back Yeah That was and then the art I forget was her name is when she protesting obviously she's protesting Yeah, so I'm gonna look it up I'll look up in the article so we can kind of read about it a little bit but she's an American track and field athlete and she specializes in a hammer throw and I guess when the she got third place, I believe in In a particular competition and she turned away from the American flag during the national anthem in protest of You know saying that this that that were not You know equality isn't good in this country. It was so here. She says And she supports a play a company called color of change which is unapologetically unapologetically in favor of defunding the police so she's saying basically protesting So now what do you guys thoughts on that like you're in the Olympics? You're representing America you win You get on the podium they play the American the national anthem and you turn around and Essentially some people would say disrespect. Well, it's the national anthem of the American flag the epitome of how divisive we've all become It's just that that's a clear example of a sort of we're at I mean, it's it's it's sad and unfortunate in my opinion But it's also what makes America beautiful. Oh is the fact that you yes, I agree you can work your ass off so hard and You can put yourself in a position where you get national attention and you can become one of the best and you get To stand on a podium and you could have very strong political beliefs I may not align with the majority or people and you have an opportunity to make your point I know I think it's I don't think it's a good point. I think defunding the police is stupid Oh my god I mean that I'd also don't think that I don't support the idea that well, you know, it's your podium you earned it You got you worked your ass out to get there and also there's no fear of like going back home and getting iced You know, just like other countries that would would get really if I had their leaders And I don't feel I also don't feel sorry for her for what she's probably gonna get as a backlash from that I mean you get that that's part of the debt's part of the freedom Yeah, it's part of the part of there are consequences right to speech in the sense that you could piss someone off You could say something mean people aren't gonna like you whatever But you're right This country represents freedom and freedom of speech by the way is more protected here than anywhere else in the world Everybody thinks Canada is like the same and not at all not true. Yeah, in fact, they criminalize certain types of speech Well, that's how the whole Jordan Pearson thing. That's how you went viral Yeah, I was Bill see something bad, but here here were pretty supportive of free speech and here's the deal free speech Exists specifically to protect unpopular speech. You don't need exactly. You don't need to protect popular speech And what's unpopular speech? It's it could be something that's justified sometimes It's something that's bad in the past. It was anything against the government, right? And the government could pass a law or they couldn't pass a law banning you from from criticizing the government I certainly don't want them making the decision. Yeah, I think I think look I don't I don't agree with her stance. I don't think defending the police is smart at all I think it's stupid. I think if you just look at the numbers every time they do that It's worse for everybody, especially the minorities, especially people Or disenfranchised or in poor neighborhoods, they get hurt the most by stuff like that I also think it's it's it's interesting to say how bad of a country We are when we're in many cases if you're anybody other than the majority Your odds of success here are higher than anywhere else. We have the wealthiest minorities in the world in any category And six most successful in almost any category. So what is the stat on that? Do you remember? I don't know if you talked about in the podcast. Maybe Doug you can Look that up because I Forget but like I mean a Caucasian person is not even in the top five I don't know those are Asian-Americans actually outperform. I know they do so Indian-American I also there's quite a few that are above Yeah, and so this this idea of this this white privilege always being talked about in our country Which is not saying that it doesn't exist It's that it doesn't look to me like it's that it's all skewed in that direction There there are certain people that absolutely are benefiting. Oh, yeah No, like you like you said Asian-Americans do very well. They have low incarceration rates very high rates of wealth and success Low divorce rates, which is probably one of the reasons why the kids do so well. They're very low single parent You know rates lower than anybody else, but nonetheless look I might not agree with someone's statement, but I It represents our freedom Exceptionally, so you have the freedom to stand up there and we're America look if it was another It's a beautiful thing to be able to yes Yeah, have that and protect that because he but you have to challenge yourself with that though That's the big thing if it's speech that you don't agree with you don't like it still has to exist Yeah, that's that's what we all have to agree upon. Yeah, could you imagine? What would happen if a Chinese athlete did that during the Chinese national anthem if they won? Oh, yeah, and they they would disappear. Yeah, they're gone. They would be gone That's what I'm trying to say. You know, it's scary I got in a debate online with someone who was talking about how great it is to live in China And so I know the laws and what it's like over there by the way You see the people protesting in Hong Kong it's cuz they know what freedom tastes like and they don't want to go in the opposite direction Nonetheless, I talked to this this guy was going back and forth and debating me And so I said hey, what do you think about what happened in Tiananmen Square and in crickets You can't even mention it and I knew he couldn't mention it I knew the second he mentioned it. He put himself at risk for getting in big trouble. So it's like yeah, right, bro Great place. You can't say whatever you want. So yeah, I defend that always even if I don't know anything about that That was a huge protest. It's the famous picture of the guy standing with the briefcase instead in front of the tank Okay, yeah, and there was a massacre and people died or whatever you can't mention it On social media over there. You can't bring it up over there. It is a crime. You can't bring it up You'll get silenced. Yeah, they scrubbed their media Their social media and everything. Oh, that's interesting over that stuff. Yeah. Wow. That's yeah. Yeah, really really Big big big government. Yeah, not good stuff. So anyway, I want to go move over to fitness a little bit Do you know what's really good to take with creatine? So you know how for a long time? I don't know if I said this on the pod I know it's talking a dug about this So creatine obviously our favorite supplement just all around Aside from nutrients that you may be lacking that you supplement with there's just new benefits We're constantly finding. Oh, yeah, I told you guys that my dad started taking it for arthritis So yeah guys right another crazy fact. Yeah, I'll let you guys know what his results are with that But you know how they used to say take creatine with dextrose spikes the insulin increases creatine absorption That's why a cell tech was 75 grafts of sugar. I know give me diabetes So you don't need to use dextrose. There's something that's almost as effective that has no calories sodium. Oh Really, you take creatine with sodium as it's supposed to work as well as sugar very effective So sodium and creatine are transported. I believe by similar mechanism So sodium increases the absorption. So what I now stack the elementy with a hundred percent So post-workout you drink something like elementy which is high and so it's it looks like combining that at some point Or if you don't want to do that get just throw some some you know pink Himalayan salt or sea salt or whatever in your water Mix it up with your creatine take a post-workout. It'll increase its absorption and it's significant I remember the number was but it's pretty significant in terms of its absorption Oh, and no sugar right no calories. Yeah, no, that makes me want to want to see if we can work something out with Really cool to create something like you said that we just combined. Yeah, are you guys consistent with creatine now or I haven't been for a long time I've actually been trying to get back on it, but yeah when I was on it It was substantially different my last like two reps like I would always notice that I could pump those out so much easier Yeah, it was crazy. I was good at the strength boost. I was it's when I'm when I'm at the gym And I'm working because I have the creatine all there Mm-hmm, so I'm good when I'm working. I love some here here Yeah, there's a whole bag of it. Oh, I didn't know it's the white powder No, I bought a whole bag of creatine I have it in the I've always I bring supplements We're stock bro. Just everywhere you go. He's got traces. What do you think brings all the organified? That's why we have all the the green juice and the immune That yeah, we love I mean I love having that for when we're up here because I don't get as much vegetables when I'm up here Really, you're better than me dude. I'm the one that brings the new thing at whiskey every time Yeah, so you know you guys are making dinner tonight for everybody. We are yes vegetables on top of that, too So, yeah, we'll do some vegetables. I think we're they're doing broccoli or Peppers I don't remember which one but then I'm gonna be doing the steaks I'm not doing that part. She's doing the she's doing the potatoes and the veggies. I don't know fumbled around. He's like Told me but I don't I'm not doing it But I am doing the coffee rub steaks. Yes, you guys will finally get to try that out Yes, yes. No, I brought the organ the green juice specifically because of that because when we come up here We tend to just be late steaks all the time and I'm like, I think I drink it up here more now like right I think I drink it here here the most or traveling. Yeah Yeah, like when I like to I like to fly with it. Keep it in my bag. It's really easy. All right So I got some more controversial stuff for you guys. So there was this report. I'm gonna read it from the un about climate change And they're talking about how we're so far Gone That shit's gonna get real bad. This is the report from the un right and now here's what it says and then I'm talking to Greta Thunberg And then here's gonna be here's my here's I'll give you my opinion afterward So it says here that this this report suggests that the wheels of climate related devastation Have already been set in motion to slow them down. So this is what they're saying now in order to slow down This client this issue with climate the entire world would need to take aggressive and immediate action on all fronts Otherwise, we're gonna pass a point of no return. So here's my here's my whole Why is everything so intense right now? Like can you just let us chill like we just went through a bunch of crazy shit Like and now oh now the next new thing is we're all gonna die The guy that we hung out with that we are that when we were first looking at up here The very first time when we were first shopping up for places up here And he was the vr. He was he was renting his place that he rented his place to us for to stay out What was it? I forgot what his title or what he did for work But you remember how he felt about it was just like yeah, we're done Like he was so convinced. Oh, yeah. He was so convinced by all his research and what he was involved in that It's there's no we're way past no return. Well, so here's so here. I do. It was like I was a smart guy too I remember that I remember that dude that was just topping conspiracy. I remember that specifically because up until that point It was a very fun exciting conversation We were all hitting it off and then he got real dark real fast. He's like, yeah, we're pretty much We're gonna die. It's probably gonna be like 10 years We said you had this great job. You're doing stuff like that and now you're just kind of like Do you know how big the world is like, you know, like is all that gonna happen? He cracked us all out. Yeah, so here's my here's my opinion on this right here So they're saying that we need to take aggressive and immediate action but the problem with that is In the world you have Billions of people that are very vulnerable To protect because in the 20th century we lifted Billions of people out of poverty a lot of people don't know about this tremendous progress that we did taking people from Grinding poverty to where they're dying of things like dysentery and starvation and now we lifted them out And but they're on the edge still right We make these massive changes these economic changes and these changes in production and transportation We will we will hurt billions of people in very very bad ways. Why do they keep trying to cripple our economy? We're just starting to rebuild it. Why are you adding also? That's what I'm saying. It's like it's this is not as easy as just change everything because Everything has a consequence and if we do that We're going to kill a lot of people and if we don't maybe people will die. It's very complicated So I have a people pretend like it's not it's very complicated stupid question I don't know the answer to it. So I want to hear um, you know how the they've along the lines of climate change I know that cal farts right have been blamed for a bit of this right So what is so different about cow farts than human farts? I got a funny fact about that. I think they're a lot bigger. You know that the average person farts enough to fill up a Balloon party balloon. This is why I'm asking That's why I'm asking you that's a true stat. There's I there's a whole lot more of us than there are cows on the world So and I'm you know, I've I've been around some people I don't think we produce as much methane By the by the well, I'm assuming that that's why I'm asking though by the way by the way When you guys eat lots of plant-based foods, do you fart more or less? Oh more way more That's why eating lots of vegetables and plants is bad for the environment. It is It's good for the environment vegans head just otherwise your farts will just Doug can you do you have the answer for me on that? Well, here's what I'm gonna say about cows and humans. We can wipe out all the cows And nobody bad an eye we wipe out all the humans I know but I'm just saying though if we're gonna make you're gonna make a huge case about the cows And we're not even gonna say anything about how much damage the the humans are potentially doing what do we do about the humans? Yeah, okay, get rid of them possibly bill gates has an answer once More than five times a day. There should be a limit. I think so. I agree with that you get taxed Yeah, it's even it's been debunked anyways though. I mean the whole cow fart thing Okay, so listen to how many cows there are in the world 989 million doesn't even come close to the number he that's what I'm saying Cow's fart is worth how many humans farts. Well, that's a good where the studies that show like when you plant a tree Like how much that like then takes on a lot of the carbon and puts out Yeah, it puts out oxygen and replacement of it like literally if we planted more Trees had more forests like it would it would take out Bro, dude, there's there's a lot of progress we could make just from that nuclear power. Well, that's well, yeah Hey, plenty of plenty of trees. It's simple It's a simple actionable thing. He said just bitching about it How much does a tree counter or how much does it counter like someone's carbon footprint? So how much do you know? I'm like I guarantee again. We don't have a screen here. I'm not prepared for this Better at this how many trees how many farts equals a tree? That is a great thing to figure out how many Imagine they start taxing farts you're allowed to a day after that. So it's a dollar. It's a dollar Adam's like a broke That's hilarious. Well, I did find out that humans are reported to admit about one liter per day of flatulent gases One one percent of our body volume. Oh my god. That's interesting. It sounds like a lot to me It's a lot, but we weigh a lot less than a cow. So Yeah, that's true cows are pretty big. You ever seen one? Oh, yeah, you milked them I have and that's what I'm trying to remember like all the all the cow farts. I when you milk cows. Do they fart? No, not that That's actually not a bad question. They fart right on you. They do. Yeah Okay, here we go Trees help reduce the effects of climate change during one year A mature tree will absorb more than 48 pounds of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere release oxygen in exchange plant a tree Damn save the world 48 pounds Yeah, but how many what is it? I don't know I want to pretend like that was a powerful fact by how many liters human does one liter a day Yeah, one liter a day. I don't know but how many liters and a pound Come on, dude. This is gas by the way. Hold on a second. We gotta we gotta back up for a second Adam said something very interesting that we need to not skirt by okay. Let's listen. You've been shit on by a cow Yeah Was your hand in there? No, no, no like my whole face area. What? Yeah on your face So you milked the cows at uh twice a day and you milked about the same time. So if you milk at Uh three in the morning you milk at three in the afternoon. So those are the two shifts So I used to run half the week the morning shifts either half the evening shifts in the morning shifts You know I'm strolling in like you know eyes barely open It's 3 30 in the morning like you know drinking a cup of coffee It's pitch black out there and some of that switching everything on and going and so I have Half my job. I'm like asleep doing this and it's like this repetitive motion of pushing the cows through And this cow came around one time and the way you do this. So if you can imagine Uh the stall that they come in their food's right here. They're uh, it's elevated, right? So it's elevated like this. So I'm standing uh, they're their udders eye level to me and their buttholes right above you Well, then you know, then their butts over here, but it's facing the other direction But uh, they eat a bunch of grain and stuff with you and sometimes they're sick and they have diary and they have issues Like that, right? So I had one that I didn't I didn't know it was sick until this happened, right? It's the grain and as I let him out I open it and when he lets out he goes and he turns and when he turns it then is sprinkler So as soon as she turns out out the corner, yeah her her butts pointed right at my face and then she just Oh, I mean literally was it watery? Yeah Completely oh my god So how old were you because I I'm gonna build a theory here 17 right? Okay. So so okay So you guys know about the whole like imprint, you know, psychological phenomenon This having the effect on you later on Yeah, yeah, I mean exciting at all. I had been already doing this for a few years, right? So I started when I was 15. I think now you just go home like what do you do? No, I I went up to the I went up to the front and I had I knocked on the door and just covered in shit Yeah, yeah Knocked on the door to the ranch the rancher's house right and said hey, I had to shut everything down He hoes me bro. Yeah, I mean you have these huge cover all so thank god. It wasn't like crazy I mean obviously in your mouth. No, I have my mouth closed in your eyes Uh close my eyes fast enough. Oh good. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah pink. I like that. Wow It wasn't like but yeah, it was it was definitely up there up there and those like weird memories I got a lot of those with the with working out of the dairy. Oh, yeah, you can animals are unpredictable This is why this is why you're such a hard worker. You had to stick that out, dude You know, it's funny and you know this too because you guys both have done this There is some or at least maybe I had this one first of all one um, and I don't know if it if it comes from My upbringing or just in I have a genetics with my whatever But when I I've always viewed work I have found a way to love what I do no matter what I do you have to yeah That's how I feel. Yeah, like if I got to show up and do this thing and I'm shoveling shit I gotta find a way to like it. It's way worse when you have a bad attitude, right? It just makes everything worse and I connected those dots really early in life Yeah, because the mistake is trying to find something you love that's right all the time rather than love what you've got That's right. Yeah, and so I I piece that together at a really so all of my jobs I ever did In some shittier than others like really, uh, they literally yeah, literally, um, you know, I always I always loved them I found ways to what I liked about that job and I focused on it I mean, I love the fact that I get I had this it was all by myself And I and it's super peaceful imagine at four o'clock in the morning Especially now that we're older and we we enjoy being present and peaceful like that and I'd have music playing It's just and it's dark outside and the job is so like You know, there's a skill to making it move and go flow fast, right and be able to get assistance It's somewhat predictable like you knew super predictable. Yeah, so I would totally I'd be doing my job I'd be able to kind of zone out and think about life. Yeah, I like other stuff Yeah, when I wash dishes, I do that. Yeah, I like that and so I I mean I learned to like that I should say it was something that I was like, this is cool And so but then yeah every once in a while you get shit on or I don't know. It's like I kicked Kicked in the chest by Cal. Oh, you got kicked in the chest. Oh, yeah, absolutely Sometimes you go to touch like the udder and they have like a blister or they've been scabbed or like another Another cow stepped on their udder and then so it's like sliced open. It's super sensitive And you still gotta go milk that shit. So imagine you go go stick in my hands under there and that shits hella sense Yeah, and they whipped that leg out. So man, you get kicked a couple times. Yeah, yeah That's a tough job to get quick. There's no fast food restaurants. Really? No, there is that's right So where I grew up you had one or the other you either worked at there's a handful There was round table burger king carl's jr. McDonald all the all the major more money. Let me guess Um, eventually I did I made about the same. I started at I started at $4.50 was minimum wage when I started And so but I I didn't want to work fast food I didn't want my high school friends driving through drive-through and throwing shit at me and talking shit to me in my goofy ass hat Like I didn't I didn't want that. I didn't want the attention. I'd rather be the dude out at four o'clock in the morning Doing hard shit and sweating and being the sun and getting dirty and shit on like that was more appealing to me Characteristics of a successful person I guess I don't know that I thought that's how I was like I did not want that I had a friend that worked at hot dog on a stick Let me tell you yeah, do you remember that when they had to bounce on the thing to make the What a stupid uniform and everything. Oh man. I don't cut dead in that Oh, bro. It's just like on what was that movie we were watching the other night? Uh, don't tell mom the babysitter's dad What a dumb movie And the kid works at uh, what was it clown world? No dog clown Clown dog clown dog that looks like Hot dog on a stick. Yeah, same outfit. That's why I did not I did not want that And for sure, you know, of course I was like I thought I was cool And so I was like that was not cool was not cool to be like working at the fast food restaurant And then so the other option was ranches. I mean, there was lots of farms out there And so you become a ranch hand for somebody you learn how to oh, yeah I was like the construction whipping boy That's just I was just out there digging and and being under houses and getting hard to reach stuff I think every young man should work construction because you learn a lot like all the dirty humility I did. I also forgot a lot, right? So I'm terrible, but it also gave me an appreciation for anybody that does labor like that Okay, so it gave me that right and then it also told me that I you know If I don't want to do this for the rest of my life I better learn other skills or work my ass off to get better at something than uh, or else I could be potentially manually later provided that for me and also like restaurants. You know, I was like, I don't want to do this No, no, no, no restaurants are no way But I feel like those two I feel like everybody should have to work Yes, you work in a restaurant, especially if you're a waiter or a busboy or whatever You learn how to deal with people. You have to yeah, and there's so many Well, look at there's so many difficult people that demand the world from you and it's like wait a minute You know like like honestly, you're out here and I'm trying to make your experience better But now you're hammering me look at one of our favorite employees I mean that's Jerry's background comes from that one of the one of the attributes that everybody always says and loves about her Is just like she's on it. Yeah, this you've got she's got that she's been she's the timing to she's been doing that for over a decade So she's gotta be fast. Yeah, she's about it My goal with every job was to be the best employee literally if I worked there I was like, I'm gonna be the best dishwasher. I'm gonna be the best There was literally there was like six of us that rotated through Between the owners and some of that with milking the cows and Being able to do if you could get the most milk in the shortest amount of time You're the best like that and we tracked all that stuff So like being able to get them in get them out and get and produce the most because you could always cheat the system And shortcut everybody and then the milk isn't producing which then they get pissed they lose their money So can I get the cows to produce as as much and as fast as possible get them in and out Like and you were I want 80s montages adam just milking cows. He's the best Imagine though, you're an employer. You mean you you love to get a 15 year old kid with me like me like that Competitive like heard to be faster. Yeah, you get the job done earlier And he's only paying me six dollars an hour or whatever the time he's like, I love this kid It's funny. He said talk because my son's about he's about right now He's about gonna start looking for a job pretty soon and it's funny because I'm like you should work over I don't want to work there like man I don't I didn't beat this kid Get a choice but man when I was a kid it was like that was it dude get your job and you do your job Yeah, what do you think he's gonna be like is he get you think he's gonna be like you when it comes because I feel like There's so many he's so like you there's so many things that you guys definitely It's interesting if it's something that he's into I think he'll crush but him and my daughter very different He he a lot of things come easy to him And so sometimes he he'll skate because he can My daughter is like I want to be the best no matter what and she puts way too much pressure on her In fact, she just told me she wants to be a lawyer and she's hardcore about it And I said why she's like because it's hard like Kissed her Now do you think do you think your son is uh more or less driven to be financially successful than you I was never driven by finances. So you think he's not at all either. I don't know I will see. Um, I was never driven by finances. I just loved to do do a good job I love to do really well and I like to grow right, but I was never driven by finances. I think maybe because I grew up We weren't like we weren't wealthy. We were middle class But I never had issues with money. So it wasn't like something that I felt like I needed to go and get But I liked working and I liked doing a good job. I like to do a really really good job But money was like whatever So do you think he shares those attributes or do you think I think so? I think so. Yeah, I definitely think so You know, what's interesting about him is he's really good at Like things that tend to be opposing. He's like really good at tech and art So like he'll his art Projects are incredible and then he's really good at math and technology. So I don't know what that'll Yeah, what that'll do both sides of the brain, right? That's one's left one's right. They say wow. Yeah I told him like you're like da Vinci Yeah Anyway, dude, so we're supposed to talk about mirror but and so I have someone to bring up about the mirror cups I left a mirror cup. I had filled it with water and ice for the drive-up here. Yeah left it in my car You guys know it was it's hot. No, it's 93. In fact, if you're watching this hundreds on youtube right now I'm not just like this is not my skin isn't just glistening I'm sweating me. I'm just like draining of sweat. It is hot, right? So I had it out in the car in the heat. Yeah all day long. Oh, I forgot my cup I go out there open it. I think it's cold. It's cold. So awesome. Still cold. Yeah, like nothing Okay, what you guys know that I have no idea the evolution of this like you remember thermos is when you were kid Which we're pretty decent like you had a thermos probably every kid had a thermos in their lunch bell We keep foods hot or cold for for a good portion of the day But not at the level now where what what was it technology wise that they figured out between when we were kids So if you create if you create So you you have two walls, right separated by oxygen or air That doesn't transfer Energy very well heat or cold. So whatever's on the inside isn't going to cool down Or heat up Um as fast as it would if there was no air in between those two walls Then when they started doing is it started to vacuum I think they started vacuum the oxygen out or something like that So there's a vacuum in between the two walls and that made it even more effective I think Doug am I correct? Is this right? That sounds good. Okay Hey, it always sounds good when he's delivering it Who knows if it's accurate? Hey, oh man, some one's gonna someone will correct me Oh my god, yeah, there's gotta be I bet you we do the process of osmosis We are now at a place now which I do and I appreciate it by the way, especially when you guys approach it Uh professional nice fully yet. Nice. That's the word. I was looking nice fully nicely do it I appreciate it. Nice. Yeah, because we there's always somebody who's an expert or in the field that we talk about I know constantly being corrected. You know, thank god. We don't try and claim like we're experts in all this Hey real quick. I hope you're enjoying this podcast head over to mind pump free comm Check out all of our free guides. We help you on everything from building muscle burning body fat Improving your health even guides for personal trainers. So lots of free guides. They cost nothing mind pump free Dot com. All right. Enjoy the rest of the podcast our first caller is maria from north carolina. Hey maria. How come we help you? Hi guys, thanks so much for having me. So right now I train five days a week Three by myself and then three with a trainer So I am currently training um wake 15 olympic lifting with him But I want to um do or follow my own program One of your programs actually I'm trying to see if I can buy one of your programs Uh during my days off with my trainer um But I don't know if that's gonna take away from my training with him Uh with the olympic lifting I don't know. What are your thoughts? Okay. That's a good question. So now I don't know your trainer um, I'm gonna assume that they're doing a good job And no program that you'll find anywhere online is going to be as good as a Individualized personal trainer. So what I would do if I were you Is I would follow the instruction of the trainer now if you want to add something to The training I wouldn't add one of our workout programs What I would add would be something that would focus on correctional exercise and mobility. So Maps prime pro is something that can be added to any workout because it improves connection. It improves mobility It improves your ability to move more effectively and efficiently so you get better results With the workouts that you do doing that you are doing But aside from that I would focus on what your trainer wants you to do because I used to have clients that would do this sometimes They would train with me and then they would go off and do other stuff Not knowing not for any fault of their own But not knowing that they were actually countering a lot of the work that we were doing together Yeah, Maria. How how mad would your trainer be that you're asking this question? Yeah, and does he listen to us? I hope he doesn't see this. I'm sure he would be this used to piss me off when clients did this Okay, so and here's why if he's a good trainer, which I hope he is because you hired him. Yeah, he's amazing Okay, okay, so if he's amazing Then you probably don't need to add anything to your programming and if you were going to do anything It would be to address maybe some mobility stuff or priming like sal's alluding to which is that that's not a standalone program that's that's designed to complement any program So that that makes sense. But as far as Any other exercises training wise strength or anything? I mean If he's done a good job, you shouldn't you shouldn't be adding anything to it. It might be helpful too to I mean Obviously to to introduce them to the podcast But also like we have a program like maps anywhere where it's something if you're traveling And you have limited options in terms of tools and things like that that could make sense And then he could be find a way to program that in with his program and he's already doing with you Um, but yeah, you don't want to compete with what you already have going on you want to kind of work together So communication is one of those things that uh, you know, it's gonna go a long way If you kind of tell him what you're thinking of and then he kind of goes through our stuff Maria do you have maps prime pro? I don't okay. I want you to check in your right pocket right now It's We just it was under the last person's chair We just gave you maps prime pro for free We're gonna send that over to you. So you'll have free access. Okay. Okay. Thank you. He's really magic Forgive him. It's not in your pocket. Call our customer service. That's the beauty of digital programs. Yeah, they're everywhere Thank you, Maria. Thank you Yeah, um, I mean here's I would be so pissed. Look. Here's the bottom line. This used to piss me off Didn't this gives you piss you off? Yeah, because they don't know, right? How many trains have we pissed off? I mean, yeah, probably a million, but this is this is the problem is that people don't know, right? That's why you hire someone. They're the expert and you don't understand the intricacies of workout programming and what they're trying to Accomplish with you. Yeah, and if they're good, they're doing a great job and here's the deal This is the bottom line the three of us we trained people for decades This is what we did and we know the value of a really good personal trainer There isn't a workout program in the world that's made for masses of people that will ever compete to individualize I just find this so interesting though Like what any other profession that you hire to handle a part of your life say a financial advisor or I bet financial advisors hate this too. Oh, well, I'm sure they get this a lot. Oh, I mean, how pissed By the way, I took 10 grand and bought bitcoin. Yeah Right, right like listen to the radio. I just don't I don't know if you if you hire somebody who's a Especially if so, I'm assuming if this guy's teaching Olympic lifts, he probably know I mean, I don't even like to teach Olympic lifts because I don't think Olympic lifting trainers tend to be really good Yeah, I mean and really good with like we've talked about programming like so he probably has a vision in mind I'm trying to get this girl really good at, you know, these lifts right here And so anything she could do outside of that could totally fuck up that process So, you know, if I ever had remember the clients used to use to piss me off Like if I had they'd train with me and then I catch them in the gym like an hour later Something doing more exercises and they'll be they think it's like extra credit. It's gonna do well that or they because they didn't feel Yeah, they get sore enough for sweat enough So they assume that they could have done more and it's like that's not good programming Good programming isn't leave you crippled All the time or hurting or sore all the time good programming You should see progress and actually not feel all that now be honest here because I know early versions of early trainers that we were There were definitely mistakes we made and there's a lot of ego when you're an early trainer Did you guys ever get the client who always complained about not getting sore? So you said, all right, so I'll take you through a workout and show you how sorry I would do it as a teach a lesson But it would never be I would never fall prey to getting They're falling that trap as a coach thinking that I I need to compete with other coaches that are willing to get You saw I'd explain to them. Listen if you just want to get sore. Yeah You don't need a trainer at all. You don't you don't just go Yeah, and do whatever your head against the wall. You get really see whatever you want But yeah a good and a good program is taking into consideration your rest days and the other days You start throwing things in there and you you screw up a good program So, yeah, I mean I would I would say stick with what this guy's probably teaching you Um, but then absolutely prime, which I think is a great primer prime pro Which are assessment and mobility tools you add that to anything. Yeah, it's designed to complement anybody's workout Our next caller is gunner from washington. What's up gunner? How can we help you? How's it going? I? Had a hernia surgery about a year a year ago. I was cleared to exercise. Um, I've been exercising since I'm running anabolic right now and I plan to run aesthetic after that at both those programs and Squats and deadlifts are very prominent in that program and when I do those I noticed flare-ups like where I had that surgery at I'm kind of pretty itchy there for a couple of days. Um, just kind of Unnecessary pain in that area. Um, I think it's due to the big load um kind of With weight in those exercises, and I'm curious what you guys would recommend switching out for those two Yeah, okay, so you don't want to mess with Hernia surgery if that happens. Yeah, that tears again You're it's gonna be I'm sure the recovery was probably a pain in the butt and it took a while So that being said we don't need to abandon the no and you know, here's a deal This is somewhere where I would I would if you were my client I'd have you go back to the doctor and I would talk to them and get their Clearance on what you can and can't do because you're feeling something post exercise That tells me that either the way you're bracing Or maybe even the way that the procedure was done to repair your hernia Did they add any mesh material or did they just sew up what was open? Yeah, they did add mesh and when I exercise now like I've been doing It's what I've been doing. I'm about halfway through anabolic. I've been doing vulgarian split squats with like Lighter weight and kind of doing time under tension. Um, and then I did like kettlebell Romanian deadlifts yesterday. Okay, and no pain. Yeah, good. Oh, yeah I would go again check with your doctor because sometimes the itchiness is literally where the mesh attaches to the muscle And it could be just Part of the healing process things are moving Not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm not a doctor and I would clear that with your doctor because if it tears again The second time around is going to be worse than the first time around This is not something you want to mess around with so I'm with sal. I obviously doctor stuff first But then I also wouldn't abandon the movements I would just lighten the load and and slow down the tempo and really concentrate on bracing my core and And keeping my spine nice and neutral through the movement and just master the technique of the movement And don't even though even if you're following something like anabolic, which I know is a strength focus first phase Uh, you know, don't worry about always loading the bar more and more weight Get more into perfecting the movement. I love your decision to go to the Bulgarian split squats I think that was a great. I think that's a great call But there's just so much value in in the squat and the deadlift and We don't we don't want to because basically if we say you're going to move away from it now Are we just going to accept for the rest of your life? I'll never be able to squat or deadlift again. It's like, no, I don't think you you want that I don't want that for you And so, um, you know, let's first get some clearance from the doctor to make sure we're all good to go But then let's just start from the ground up and move real slow Yeah, just keep that load way down until you know for sure like, you know You can feel when it's healed up and things are sort of operating back to to normal and so like the The Bulgarian split squats and like kind of doing the unilateral type training is going to benefit you Quite a bit. You're still going to build muscle and you're still going to build a lot more stability and support For when, you know, you feel like you're you're now ready to then start stacking the load on So there's nothing wrong with you know staying in that type of mentality for a while Yeah, and you might be surprised like you might go to the doctor and the doctor might say Oh, well, that's normal where we attached the mesh to the muscle scar tissue and stuff scar tissue is changing and growing and you know Not growing excuse me stretching and that's just a normal process of you know, your body adapting To this particular procedure. So they might just say that to you so but nonetheless Get clearance I've worked with people who've re-injured a hernia and I'm going to tell you right now You don't want to do that. It's it's not worth it Okay, great. Thanks guys. No problem gutter. I know a guy that had He kept re-injuring hernia and obviously your gut starts to poke through the hole and he would push it back in with his hand Anyway, it got so bad It pinched off a piece of his I guess his intestine which died. He had to go and get it removed Yeah, oh hernias can be really bad. They could be really really bad things Yeah to the point where they can become almost life-threatening Or you just keep re-injuring this area and then you're left with this kind of permanent issue And it's such a like a weak link right there Like it's it's susceptible to I mean, it's easily like torn once it's done at once So it's like it's just one of those things you want to make sure it's really healed up before you start adding the intensity back Now given say the doctor does clear him and he's fine This is an example though of why I would not want to abandon those movements It's just and this is where you can play with things like tempo and isometrics Like I mean nothing stops you from Okay, we obviously he does normal movements getting up and out of a chair and stuff like that and so Load the bar really really light and you know pause at the bottom and pause midway through the movement and Grip the floor and then squeeze and contract at the end and you know Slow it way down on the centric portion of the exercise So lots of different ways for you to play with it and then unilateral like Justin was alluding to I mean do some single leg deadlifts and get really good at that and perfect the movement We're always so hung up on moving weight on the bar as our sign of we're getting better and stronger It's like you absolutely do not always need to do that And here's a perfect example of somebody who instead of us Like because the natural thing that someone at 24 wants to do is go like, okay Should I just stop squatting and then go leg press really heavy? Yeah, you know, because I feel okay leg pressing So let's go stack six by the way the leg press would be the worst possible But I mean that's how they would think though Right, I mean that's a client with or go to some machine leg extension and stack the plates on there It's just like we want to just go heavy and do something that we feel safer doing it's like no What you what we should do is just really Lighten the load and those movements because you know being able to hinge at the hip, you know and squat down Parallel or blow fundamental movement. Yeah, we don't at 24 I don't want to give up on you having that our next caller is rebecca from texas. Hey rebecca. How can we help you? Hi, so um, I graduated high school this year But I've struggled with like an eating disorder since I was like in seventh grade and at this point now I've been trying to like recover my period um And I started lifting and found mine pump and that's kind of helped me through my recovery process I do work with a dietitian and a therapist But um from consuming your videos and other content. I've realized that like chasing health and Will help me in the long run I've been doing map santa bollock for like a while And I had DM DM do sell like a while ago after I started doing performance and you had mentioned that Doing map santa bollock would be better for balancing my hormones and So I went back to that, but I've still really haven't seen any progress I've been working on lowering my steps. So I was averaging about 25,000 a day ish And I've gotten down to 13,000 and I'm still trying to lower it from there But I was wondering if y'all had any suggestions if I should like cut down on exercises sets or like um I thought maybe going down to two days a week, but like lifting has really helped me in my recovery process So I'm kind of like stuck on what to do. Yeah, what are you doing the the 25 000 steps? Are you just naturally getting to that campus walking around campus or something? What's that? um, so I'm just naturally like I like to move around a lot and also just being like anxious minded Um, I do work with horses like five times a week, but that usually gets me like Around 3 000 steps. So okay first off. I want to commend you on your Your courage. It's really hard to talk about what you're talking about especially on a podcast self-awareness And yeah, and the fact that you're working with a dietitian and a therapist you are on the right track Now, I know you're saying you're not seeing any progress So I'm assuming you're talking about maybe physical progress or even just the progress with your period But I'd like to ask you a couple of the questions rebecca Do you feel any different or has your relationship with your body? And with exercise has that changed and do you feel any changes in your energy levels? Um, I have definitely felt better energy level wise. I know I should probably like increase the amount of food I intake but like I'm still like struggling with the whole like guilt thing, but I was that person who used to do Hit but then it turned into more like while we while I was resting. I was still like jogging in place And um I think my relationship with food has been a little bit better because now Like y'all really encouraged me to like eat white rice because like I was afraid to do that But then on the days I'd work out. I started consuming that because I was like, oh, this would be like a quick Absorbing carver. I can't think of the word but like before like a workout and stuff like that. So yeah, okay So you are progressing you are doing a great job And I want you to to understand a few things. Let's start with the physical Okay, let's just start with the physical body Which is different from the emotional and mental side, which is also something that you're working on Because you have had a Challenging relationship with food for a while. It's going to take a little while for your body To recognize what you're doing now as the new norm. Okay, so there's a bit of a memory that's left over You just got to be patient and allow things to work And do it very slowly, but I want you to focus on how you feel How you view yourself Your energy levels and your relationship to exercise and to nutrition if those are improving You are on the right track and I'm going to tell you something and I promise this is going to happen, rebecca If you keep moving in that direction and just focus on those things. I just said the physical will follow It's a matter of time before the physical follows But I want you to take your focus off of the physical I don't even want you to to care about that Care about the most important things for now that will drive your physical success believe it or not more Then if you focused on the physical progress, uh, you know, type of goals, I I have two suggestions. Um Do you have do you have the ability to extend your workout time? Like as far as how long you're in the gym with maps anabolic or do you have a small window to work out? Uh, right now that it's in the summer. It seems like I have like Quite a bit of flexibility. So I don't know what it will be like once I get off to college But uh for right now it seems like I have a pretty flexible schedule Okay, so one of the things you I would More than likely even if you are falling anabolic and if you have a tendency to You know go fly through the workout like maps hit and then also work between sets You probably even follow the the rest period times and maps anabolic really closely or keep it moving along And I would actually push you in the other direction where I'd say, you know, let's let's have like some three minute rests in between exercises And actually slow the the workout down where maybe it takes 90 minutes To get all the way through the full anabolic routine and and that's what I would try and and stretch that out So that's one suggestion, uh, that I would I would do with you the other thing I would uh, See if you would be interested in and try and get you to do is Maybe two two times a week if I can get you starting there with uh yoga, you know, where yin yoga Yes, it's very meditative. You're not trying to you're not sweating in beak room. You're not pushing real hard It's just really I mean if you say you're anxious Um, I just think and we're also trying to cut back a little bit on the crazy steps all the time I think doing something that's working inward more would be a really good Insana work would be fine, too So like, you know, I would I would try and get you to to schedule me two or three times a week Where we're dedicating an hour to 90 minutes of something that's very Slow or yeah restorative and calming and Uh introspective. So I think like the sauna or jacuzzi or some hot cold plunge stuff or uh yoga I think would be a great to add to what you're doing. Yin yoga is a phenomenal recommendation I can't recommend that enough for for you and it's going to be frustrating. So consider This is for sure going to happen. You're going to go into a yin yoga class And you're going to be frustrated because it's slow power yoga version Yeah, and they're making you sick and you're and you're stuck with your thoughts But that's exactly why it's so beneficial and then with the long rest periods in between sets Try something like this. Um, is there something you can do in that three minute period that's calming to you? So I'll give you an example Paul check as a good friend of ours He's a I consider him to be the godfather of wellness and he would have people paint Or draw we have a video on youtube. Yeah in between sets So fascinated. Yeah, and and that's because it's a very calming kind of meditative practice Find something like that for yourself. It might be reading. It might be writing in your journal Something that has nothing to do with the workout Something in between each set that is calming For you and focus on that and I promise you okay This is a hundred percent if you do these things and you focus on the mental and emotional aspects of your health And you do those things consistently the physical will follow I promise you if you focus on the physical right now, rebecca and push the physical to try and get results You're not going to get either one of those things. So just and I know right now you're listening to me and you're like, okay I know sal said it but I need you to trust what I'm saying Give it a shot give it six months Give it six months and watch what happens You will you will blow yourself away at your body's potential if you do this the right way Can I ask where we are calorie wise right now? Where are we at calorie wise? Um, I think I'm around 2500 my dietitian won't give me specifics but like I I am that like she says that I'm at a healthy weight for like She's actually kind of confused why I haven't gotten my period because she's like you're at a good weight But she thinks I might have like more muscle mass than I realized But of course I'm like I'm not lifting like really heavy weight and like I'm not super muscular So, uh, I have been doing Anabolic I'm actually in the strength phase right now So would you say just keep doing the strength phase for like six months? No I would go from phase one to phase two You can still do phase three, but I would you can go back and forth between yeah I would cycle through the whole program I go one two three start over one two three follow follow it the way it is The only suggestion I would do as far as changing it Would be like I said is to stretch out the rest periods Yeah, and and consider this okay when it comes to I know you're waiting for your period It will eventually uh, it should eventually happen. It takes time, but it's not just again It's not just the physical so your thoughts are real to your body your feelings are real To your body so although physically you might check all the boxes If you're still in that anxious state of mind your body might not feel ready just yet That's why the yoga thing I think is gonna be yeah, just just don't even I would just slow down and do those uncomfortable What's for you uncomfortable is going to be sitting still with your thoughts So focus on that work on that yin yoga was such a great a great recommendation And by the way and that was my recommendation But I also there's uh, you know to kind of sal's point with the the art thing I I actually as a as a coach if you were my client I wouldn't mind you picking something that actually doesn't require the gym or isn't considered an exercise Like if you just paint it for an hour or two like if you have I would try and find something a hobby That you become very present in the moment and into and it relaxes you and it gives you fulfillment and joy And that could be anything it could be comic books. It could be fishing. It could be painting It could be doing archer knitting archer. I mean, yeah There's a whole host of things that I would like to see you do And I would I would make you do that as a client I would get make you schedule that in your week and I just think that there'd be tremendous benefit from it And yes, yoga is a good example now Rebecca I'm going to send you the intuitive nutrition guide for free and I don't want it to It's not going to replace anything that you're doing with your dietitian But there are lots of segments in there that focus on improving your relationship to nutrition that I think you may benefit from in fact I'm only going to send it to you under one condition I want you to promise me that you'll show your dietitian before you read it Because I do want to make sure that I get their clearance first. Will you promise me that if I send it to you? Yeah, I've actually talked about y'all a lot to her and she gets really excited every time I tell her information about what you say So she'll be excited to see it. All right. So we'll send it over to you before you read it Send it to your dietitian say, hey, you know the guys at mind pump sent this to me But they would like your Approval before I go through it send it to her or him Have them take a look at it and then if they say it's all good then then take a look Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks for calling Rebecca. Oh, thank you Oh, you know stuff like that really warms me because I I've worked with people like this and especially at this age Really hard to come out of gotta love though that at her age to have the awareness and and For her to be already aware reached out have professionals that are helping her listening to mind pump at that I mean for sure she represents a very small percentage We don't have a lot of people, you know under the age of 20 listening I mean we're definitely 25 and above for most most people listening to the show So I always get excited when I hear a younger person that's into the show And then someone who's been challenged as much as she has with like an eating disorder since seventh grade And that's you know to her period question like, you know, even though she's got her nutritionist No, she's got everything right if she's been struggling with this in seventh grade it takes a while sometimes and to your point She also still could be causing internal stress because she's still anxious and she's still worried Which I love the idea and it doesn't have to be yoga. Although I think yoga was A good recommendation. It could be anything that just relaxes her and calms her down. Yeah, and it's um It is a very big deal what she's doing So I hope she listens to this this podcast and what we're saying afterwards because stick to it You do in the right thing and on the other end of this is tremendous Personal growth. In fact the best coaches and trainers I've ever worked with in my entire life the ones that I learned from Started here. They started here. They got through it and on the other end of it They became tremendously effective at their jobs because they understood things from an angle that most of us will never get to Our next caller is andrew from new york. What's up, andrew? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for having me on really appreciate it Um, so basically my my question is I work a job where I work four doubles in a row 3 p.m. To 7 a.m. 16 hour shifts, and then I have eight days off in a row Right now I have still been going to the gym in between my doubles because I keep I feel like taking four days off In a row is a little bit awkward um So I was wondering if it would be Beneficial on the four days where I'm doing doubles to still go to the gym and do maybe like a lighter Workout or if it would be more beneficial as far as getting a couple extra hours of sleeping between doubles and skipping four days off In a row completely. Yeah. Yeah, nothing wrong with taking 48 days off in a week Not not or in a row not a big deal in fact because of the hours that you're working It's better to do that than it is to work out But I will say this you started 3 p.m. You said I would Try to do some kind of outdoor walking where you get sunlight exposure Earlier in the day you're gonna need that to help with your circadian rhythm because that's really what's getting hammered With this kind of schedule, but I wouldn't do any workouts on those days I would really focus all your attention on Getting good sleep because I don't know if you've seen the statistics On the health effects of those types of shifts that they have on the body I mean, it's it's pretty bad. It's like smoking cigarettes every single day Throwing more stress on top of that with exercise isn't going to get you better progress. So Get some sun exposure. You know do some walking Leave the workouts for the eight days off in a row that you have when you can get better sleep Are you active that whole time in your job? Like are you moving around quite a bit? Um, no, it's actually a pretty sedentary job for the most part. Uh, I'm in corrections state corrections So I you know on top of the 16 hour shifts It's also it might not always be physically taxing but at least like from the mental aspect like you're always on edge So And I mean is there like limited options in terms of like you being able to get up and move or like You know kind of break that up in chunks throughout your day Just doing like basic, you know movements and walks and in squats or something that you could do in terms of like You know around your desk Yeah, so I mean for all 16 hours, I have to get up once every half an hour and do around Wherever I am. So like it's not like I'm just sitting for 16 hours I have the freedom pretty much whenever I want to get up and walk around do whatever Well, I'm I have a couple things so the One I think I wouldn't worry about taking the days off In I don't know. Did you hear Andrew the episode where I referenced the study that Lane Norton posted about about a month ago. Did you hear that episode? Yeah, because I follow Lane as well And I think it was a couple weeks to all that They I think it was like a month long study or something like that Where they the two different groups and there wasn't really much difference at all That's right. There wasn't at all in fact I believe if anything the the group that took the week off every three weeks Was as good or superior at the end of the sea. I think it was a 16 week study And you had a group one group that every they trained consistently three weeks And they took a whole week off then three weeks consistently the whole week off compared to a group Who never took any time off trained consistent the entire time equivalent results. Yeah, so And that high highlights just the taken seven days off in a row Does not set you as far back as you would think and that's not taking into consideration your job So your job that you have that you're working 16 hours It those days off are even more beneficial for you because of the points that the guys are bringing up with stress Yeah, and and again to kind of counter some of these postural positions Like that's why I was trying to get out if you have opportunities to get up and do some mobility drills or do things where You're addressing those forward shoulder the the for neck Um, you know to be able to get your spine and get alignment and just get up against the wall do a wall test You know practicing those things making ritual out of it will help to benefit you Going back into your workouts the next week So that I was that's where the other point that I was going to make was I don't know if you have the flexibility for like an hour lunch or whatever But um, and if you have somewhere at work where you could hook up like a suspension trainer I would told if you're a client of mine I would totally let you do one to two days during your work shifts for a 20 minute 30 minute You know suspension trainer type of workout and I would I'd probably I'd probably modify it and gear it around posture stuff So I'd be doing like w's and maybe some rotational exercises in there But a suspension trainer 20 30 minutes two of the days of the days that you're working the four days And then the most of your like heavy weight training stuff is just to keep sending a signal to uh, you know keep building muscle Yeah, but I honestly if you focus on sleep and during that time that'll give you the biggest benefit So, you know, like I said get sunlight Before you go to work make sure you get some good sun exposure And then two hours before because I'm assuming you go to bed when you get home and get some sleep I would two hours before your shift ends put on some blue light blocking glasses get your brain Kind of ready and then make sure your room Where you go to sleep is cool and blacked out uh so that you can get some good rest because I'm telling you if you look at the studies on the effects that these types of shifts have on people's bodies It's it can be very detrimental. So I'm very cautious to throw any more stress at your body During these periods of time Yeah, because I know you had mentioned earlier and about the circadian rhythm That's another thing that's hard about it too because I go from the four days of doing overnight shifts And then I have eight days off So like the first couple days where I'm trying to transition back to going to bed at like 10 11 o'clock at night Like I barely get any sleep on those nights because it's going back and forth all the time Yeah, focus on sleep get that sunlight during the day where those blue light blocking glasses That's going to give you the biggest impact. Okay. Thanks a lot. No problem, man All right, I definitely I I definitely agree. We're all on the same page that well, dude He's not only he's not only doing those shifts. Did you hear he said he tries to go back? He's literally jet lagging himself every week. I know I mean that is that is really this is where all these kind of Little biohacking interventions do make sense because it's such an extreme Schedule that it does take a toll on your body. Oh, yeah I mean imagine that you you're up from 3 p.m. To 7 a.m. Four days in a row and then you're trying to Tray or switch your body to go into bed at 11 o'clock at night He's literally jet lagged every every single week doing this right so sleep has got to be I mean 100% I agree that becomes the number one priority And we have to address that first before I even consider letting you do anything in addition to that on those work days but if If I can include some w's and some rotational stuff with the suspension trainer some isometric stuff that's 20 minutes or 30 minutes on his lunch break You gotta because we got to think too him being sedentary all day long sitting at a desk Yeah, your your body just forms into that and like it becomes it wants to stay in that state So more is it to break it up. Yeah to get out of that state. I think is right Like I definitely wouldn't give him an hour break go hammer the weights at the gym or what about that? Like I'm not trying to get after it stimulate the muscles That's right And I think he'll actually see an increase in an energy throughout his day from doing something like that Plus counter the the rolled show shoulders and sitting forward all day long So I do see some benefit to that but of course I would as a coach who's coaching him I would want like detail like How hard are you training? What are you doing? And less is more with someone like that if we're going to be doing it on the work days But yeah, I dress sleep first. I love the recommendation to with the getting out, you know red blue blockers blue blockers This is where all the biohacking stuff, you know Totally could come in handy of light would help Yep, our next caller is Sean from the uk. Hey, Sean. How can we help you? Hi guys? Thanks for having me on Yes, I was just wondering Is there a downside to doing maybe a a full body split one week followed by push pull legs the week after And then and then just talk continuing in that rotation Uh, not really. I'd say the only drawback from doing such a you know back and forth Switch is it's hard to identify which one's Working better for your body. So I would typically recommend sticking to one for four weeks Switching to the other one for four weeks just to see which one works better for you But if you're pretty advanced, you know your body And you've trained this way before not really there's not really I mean as long as the volume is equated throughout the whole week It's not good. It shouldn't make that big of a difference not to mention There's some consistency even in that right right because he's doing the same rotation So you still can get some feedback on where you're probably feeling better or making progress versus I think where this we're I think we talk mostly about this not being ideal is the people that Change every workout. Yeah, right. So you're full body one day, then you're splitting up another day You're doing high reps low reps. You're like every workout is constantly changing Then it's really hard to measure But if you're being consistent in in one week and you're doing a body part split one week And then you're doing a push pull thing the next and and then you're always kind of going through that rotation I think that's okay. I think there's nothing wrong with that, especially if you've been lifting for a long time Cool. Yeah, that's really helpful because I will think I will think about that Because I'm I am trying to be as consistent as possible And I wonder like because I tend to do a bit more volume on the push pull legs weaker rather than I do more sort of super sets. I guess on push pull legs and then How long you've been training Sean So I probably about four years, but I were pretty consistent before the first lockdown and then the gym's closed and it and it sort of turned everything upside down But um, I've been I've been back in for a few months and I think I'm I've got over the hump of Not being consistent. Now, if you know what I mean Have you noticed the one thing that I noticed when I was doing the split routine more often? I would overreach on leg day specifically too So is that ever been an issue or is it pretty much? You know, you get a nice dose of of intensity Yeah, a state is definitely a nice dose. That's why because from listening to you guys it was I've heard you mentioned the full body is the the best way to go really Um, but I really I really I like doing a leg day. I like I enjoy the the feeling of really burning my legs out and And the working then muscle groups together on push day. I really enjoy that as well So that that was the main thing behind it. It's because I'm really enjoying push pull legs But I want to get the best benefits by doing full body like you guys say to do now Sean, have you in your four years of lifting have you ever Followed a routine like to the tee have you ever purchased a program or ran like somebody else's like a coach writing a program for you? No, I've never purchased one. I've always just I've always really done push pull legs and just Scoured the internet and found and sort of made my own routines off from what I found on google basically So, I mean if you'd be open to it I would love to see you follow one program all the way through and what I normally tell someone like you who's got Experience and kind of knows what they like is like listen. I'm what I will tell you is that You can most certainly manipulate and change things, but if you just give me those three months Let me program your training for three months. Follow it to a tee trust the process And just let me see what what happens from you I actually think that you would you would see some benefit from just sticking to A routine that somebody who's non-bias is has created for you Because we we all have our tendencies and you know this because we you listen to the show and we all talk about this Is it we and we're still guilty of this to this day with all of our experience of of coaching and training and writing programs I mean there's there's never a shortage of what I should do in the gym I still have tendencies. I still have exercises. I like to do Rep ranges body part splits specific ways and I always kind of gravitate back to those things And one of the nice things about having somebody who's created a program for you is it's You're not allowing that to creep in your decision on how you train You're following a program and if it's written very well by somebody who knows what they're doing It should have some beautiful progress from it So I would challenge you to try that at least once in your life for you You stick to something and the guys would be more than willing to probably send you one for free to try out Yeah, let's shoot them over maybe maps aesthetic Yeah, how does that sound sean? That'd be brilliant. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's probably something that maybe I'm looking for maybe then just to Something that's a long program that I can stick to and yeah, that'd be brilliant. Thanks guys Yeah, no problem. We'll send it by the way. I have no idea where leads is in England I know you told Doug earlier that's where you're from. How close is that to Birmingham? Is that far? And it's about Two and a half. I would drive maybe okay, so I was just the reason why I'm asking that's where Dorian Yates is Jim is he's obviously the best English bodybuilder of all time So I want to know if you ever visited his gym Oh, no, no, I'm not doing that yet. Uh, you know go over there. Take some pictures and DM me I would love to check I'd love to go check out his gym Well, follow follow the program Sean trust the process Follow it to a T resist the temptation to want to change and manipulate it just because you you know what you're doing And you've been doing this for a while Trust the process and then and then circle back With us and and tell me what you learn what you felt About that whole process. So we're going to send it to you for free. So you got it Okay, so there's there's no excuses why you shouldn't do it now just trust the process and stick with it All right That's brilliant. Yeah, I'll I'll get back in touch once once I've done it. I'll give you an update halfway through I appreciate it at the end. Thanks, John. Great. Thanks guys. See you later. Thank you You know some of my some of my favorite listeners come from England. I just their accent. Well, no It's not just because the accent they they're sense of humor. Yeah It's just so it's typically you know kind of matches ours But yeah, I've wanted to go there so bad just to visit Dorian Yates's uh Basement gym. He's got like this old basement gym. You're watching these videos that are just it's just it's like beautiful It's that where we're going, you know, but yeah, well you said Adam's perfect because If he hasn't followed a structured program He's gonna be like you said, you'll follow he'd be falling into his old tendencies and never really Potentially seeing his full potential. Well, I can say that so confidently because this is still my fault today That's everybody. Yeah 20 years in this game Myself and all my friends think I'm pretty good at writing programs know what I'm doing But I tell you right now if I follow ours and and stick with it I always progress and if it accelerates the results it does I mean if it's written well with that intention, it's because it's not biased. You're not there's no emotion in it We sat down. We wrote it with the intention of this is the most ideal way for this avatar that we're building in our mind To follow a program. So when someone goes in you just don't think that way. I feel like this today I like I don't really feel like doing Turkish get-ups. You know I'm saying and you start to modify it Yeah, and is that okay? Sure. You're fine. It's not gonna. It's not gonna hurt you and you're still gonna be healthy longevity Right, it's it's great. But yeah, if you if you specifically want to change your body That's right an amazing physique. You want to do a legit program exactly Look, if you lack our information, you got to head over to mind pump free.com We have lots of free giveaways Lots of free guides covering everything from fat loss to muscle building body sculpting Even guides for personal trainers head over to mind pump free.com You can also find all of us on instagram. 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