 You all have heard me say a lot that I almost just feel like it's a matter of time before the Ravens end up trading Chuck Clark before they ship them off for whatever draft picks they receive in return, especially amidst all the rumors and stuff that we've been hearing left and right about Chuck Clark, this and Chuck Clark, that. But what are some more reasons that the Ravens should actually keep Chuck Clark? What are some more reasons and opportunities for them to retain their starting safety over the past couple of years? Well, to give us some of those reasons and to help us break it down, we brought on a very, very, very special guest. Yeah, this feels like a dream, that's what I mean. You too, team, keep it clean. You see my boy, he like got him made it, got him made it. Boy, that's my homie, ain't that right in gravy? Right in gravy. So, you two, team, keep it clean. We got a very, very special guest in the building. It's my guy, Jason, from Huddled Up Films. And we know that the topic of conversation amongst OTAs and even before the OTAs and even during the draft has been what is going to happen with Ravens safety Chuck Clark? Because apparently he had been unhappy with his contract and then after that the Ravens ended up drafting Kyle Hamilton and there had been rumors about the Ravens attempting to trade Chuck Clark. But he still, he still showed up. But before we get into all of that, Jason, introduce everybody to you. Let them know what they can find you at your YouTube channel, what you do on there, and so on and so forth. Thanks and Graven, appreciate you, I love you. Been a big and great event, even before I started my channel a couple of years ago. So, appreciate you having me on. You can find me right here on YouTube, Huddled Up Films. And also if you'd like to follow me on Twitter, feel free at Huddled Up Films. So don't forget it, Huddled Up. We've got plenty of Ravens stuff over there. You wanna go check some Chuck Clark highlights? I got them. I grade every snap and then make the highlights from my notes. So it's not a lot of fluff in there. And also having discussions recently and Graven on the position groups by far. So we talked about all the receivers, haven't gotten to the safeties yet, but what can the returning receivers do? What about the new guys? What should we look for in a free agent? All that kind of stuff. I have guests on just like we're doing today. So thank you very much for having me. Oh yeah, you already know me. So Chuck Clark, how you feeling about Chuck Clark? Do you think he stays? Do you think he goes? If you think he stays, what could the Ravens do? But if you think he goes, what do you think the Ravens do? Well, if he goes, I think the Ravens are gonna be more than fine because of the depth they have. And especially with the versatility of Marcus Williams and Gina Stone proved he could play on the back end last year. So that's the most important spot is having a free safety who can organize the back end. And I think you saw a little bit of a difference when Gina Stone was playing in there as compared to a Brandon Stevens where the communication got better, he was more set. So without Chuck Clark, the Ravens will be fine. With Chuck Clark though, I just wanted to say that there is a place for him on the team. There are scenarios in which both him and Kyle Hamilton can play a ton of steps. And I'm talking about one of them having a green dot playing 100% of the snaps. And then the other one playing about 80% of the snaps. Because as you know, in Raven, three wide receiver sets is pretty much the base offense for every team now. So we could put out three safeties, three quarters versus that, which is your dime defense and still be good against the run having Chuck Clark in the box as a linebacker and having Kyle Hamilton on the field at the same time. So I guess the conclusion, just to get the conclusion out first, I'm not giving Chuck Clark away. And I'm really happy that he's there at OTAs. Of course, there's a tipping point where an offer would be good enough. You'd be like, look, I'm gonna get a receiver or edge rusher or a nice draft pick. We're good, we're more than good at safety. We can trade Chuck, but I'm happy he's there because I don't wanna give away Chuck Clark for nothing. He can play a key role on this team with Kyle Hamilton. And you know something that's crazy. Whenever we have conversations about the safety position, we just talk about the depth there and the fact that like you brought up, they just signed Marcus Williams. They drafted Kyle Hamilton. But you know, for me personally, I know he's there, but I never think about Geno Stone. I never do. And yeah, he did. I believe he had that green dot that they, when Chuck Clark was out with COVID in that game, I forgot what team he was up against. But Geno Stone, he's shown some flashes that he can play in this league. So that I appreciate you bringing that out because that's a player that when it comes to Raven Safety Dept, because you know, guys like Tony Jefferson, Brandon Stevens kind of, even though I envisioned him playing a lot more corner this year. But when it comes to Raven Safety Dept, he's always somebody that I forget about. But speaking of Geno Stone, like what stands out to you about him? His communication and comfort level on the field and his ability to play the back end. Now it's gonna be beautiful this year. I think all the DBs are gonna be better off having a guy like Marcus Williams behind them in Graven. Because I mean, we love DeSean Elliott. Played like a Raven, big hits, emotional player like, I love DeSean, but there's a difference between having a combo safety who can play in the box for free safety and having somebody who's just darn good at free safety. That's Marcus Williams. He's an eraser. You make a mistake, he can clean it up. You can be more aggressive as a DB in your assignment with a guy like Marcus Williams behind you. So Geno Stone gives you some of that is what I'm saying. Like Geno's not just a box guy, you can put him deep and he'll be able to scan the field, see the field clearly. He's been a free safety for a long time. So it isn't anything new for him. So I love the depth. You got Tony Jefferson, strong safety, Chuck Clark, strong safety, Marcus Williams, free safety. Geno Stone, if he can get active, free safety. And then you got the unicorn and Kyle Hamilton. So great group. The unicorn and unicorns like with cows and stuff, they have two horns on their head with bulls. They have two horns on their head. But with the unicorn, the only corn on their head is the first and the last. And you barely see him. I've never seen one. I don't know about you, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm on Cartoon Network and Disney and stuff. But that unicorn, it is their first unicorn that's on their head. Kyle Hamilton. He was the first draft pick for the Baltimore Ravens. How did you feel when the Ravens selected Kyle Hamilton? Good, very good. You know, Jordan Davis would have been a good argument. Like I would have liked to see him what the Ravens would have did if both of those players were on the board. I had Kyle Hamilton a little higher. He was the ninth overall player on my board. I had a group of 10 players in Graven that I was targeting that went from Ikea Quanu, who I knew we got all the way down to Stingley. Just in the funny part was Hamilton was the only one who wasn't at a position of need. So that'll tell you what I thought of him as a player. Like if we didn't have a safety or we didn't have a need, he might have been fourth or fifth on my board. You know what I mean? But because he's just that good of a player. I think he can play anywhere on the field and he could be a joker. And that's part of the reason there's room for him and Clark won the team because Hamilton can act as a cornerback, you know, in layman's terms and cover some of these bigger slot receivers. So you have a guy that can play the run and play the passes, what I love about Hamilton. That's perfect. And that's what Ravens need. That sounds very Ravens like the more you can do because they love those versatile players, the players that can play multiple positions. And it's something that I remember, I think it was Marcus Williams in a presser last week. He mentioned it sort of like he just said that with this defense, Mike McDonald wants guys that can play different positions. And I know you're here to turn an NBA about a muscle basketball as a whole, positionless basketball and it almost seems like that's what Mike McDonald wants from this defense. So we'll see how that goes. Now, back to the subject at hand, the man of the hour, Chuck Clark. Well, what does it say to you? You briefly spoke about it before, but what does it say to you about the fact that amidst all these rumors, all this talk about him possibly being shipped out, he still showed up. It means a lot and quite frankly, and I was surprised just reading through the tea leaves. I think that there was, there had to be some smoke. I think Chuck had to feel some kind of way about just his role possibly being reduced and just ultimate professional. I try to put myself in that shoe in his shoes and I'm not sure whether I'd be there, but brand new defense, brand new defense. And I could see a scenario again, where Chuck, maybe they sat down with him and said, look, Chuck, we still want you to have a green dot. We don't wanna put all that on Kyle Hamilton. We're still gonna need you on the field 100% of the time. We're gonna move Hamilton to the slot, let him cover Kelsey when we played the Chiefs, that kind of thing. You know what I mean? Take away those big receivers, some of those responsibilities that Chuck had to do Hamilton's a better coverage player one-on-one, I think, than Chuck Clark. And let Chuck Clark be that pseudo linebacker. So, you know, maybe Chuck sees that as like, look man, I'll just play in the box. I got Marcus Williams behind me, I can play free. I don't have to worry about all this, you know, post snap stuff, just concentrate on one thing, play in that box and wreck shop. And so yeah, a lot of credit though to Chuck Clark. It's one thing to say that and to lay it out. He's probably still unhappy. Maybe, you know, I don't know, but for him to show up just ultimate professionalism and it's a good sign for me because I wouldn't have, if you would've asked me before OTAs, I'd say, nah, Chuck's gonna sit out in posture and try to figure out his position with the team before he shows up. Right, right. And something that you mentioned when it comes to Chuck Clark and him just being able to focus more on one thing instead of several different ones. I know Patrick Queen mentioned that was something that he struggled with just really focusing on so many different things instead of just one. And I know with Mike McDonald, with his defense, that's something that he has wanted to really relegate to the players for them to just be able to focus on their tasks and simplify things, simplify the way terms are, simplify the defense as a whole and just make it easier for them to learn exactly what their role is. As far as Mike McDonald, as Raven's defensive coordinator, how do you feel about him? What do you think he's gonna bring to this team? A lot of question marks in Raven. I mean, I think it's a who knows, a wait and see type of thing. But I think some of the signs are encouraging. You gotta think Mike McDonald was with the Ravens for the majority of his career. He's not really coming from Michigan. He's coming back to the Ravens, is a better way to say it. He was with Michigan for one year. When he got, and I watched these Michigan games and I'm just watching it. I wasn't studying OJABO or Hutchinson or any of the Daxonville. I was just looking at the defense as a whole. And I'm thinking to myself, this doesn't look like Wink Martindale. This doesn't look like Rex Ryan. This doesn't look like Chuck Pagano. This looks different. So what that told me is, I mean, he had a great front four in Raven. He had two guys that woulda went probably in the top 15 with Hutchinson and the JABO. Did he try to change the defense and make them drop into coverage? No. He just basically said, here's my front four guys. That's the strength of my team. We're gonna send four. We're gonna drop seven. Maybe blitz a linebacker every once in a while. You know what I mean? Bring some pressure. He's not a wallflower. He's not just gonna play safe, like a Dean P style, go into a shell and all that other stuff. But long story short, who knows? But I like the fact that when given the talent he was given at Michigan, he maximized that. He didn't try to push his scheme upon anybody. And that's why another reason to go back to Chuck and Kyle Hamilton, another reason I could see both of these guys play in 80% of the snaps and more. One of them's gonna have the green dot and be on there all the time. Yeah, that's a good point. How would you feel if Kyle Hamilton got the green dot? Would you be comfortable with that? Do you think he'll be able to handle that? I'd be a little nervous as for a rookie, but if they see it, then I'm gonna have to trust the Ravens and then just be, for lack of a better word, judgmental after that, but I don't know. I'd feel personally, if it was up to me, I'd have Chuck Clark with the green dot. And I'd have Hamilton playing 80, 85% of the snaps, just saying, all right, Kyle, just do this. You don't have to do everything like Patrick Queen was asked to. Just do this, just do that. Let Chuck handle all the dirty work before the snap and turn Kyle Hamilton into a playmaker. So that's kind of how I would envision it. Although, Raven, I gotta be honest. Somebody says, look, you don't take Kyle Hamilton off the field, he's too darn good. Give him the green dot. You can talk me into that. Like I don't feel strongly either way, really. How about yourself? Do you have a, what would you, how would you feel about that? If you don't mind me asking. Initially, when I first thought about it, I'm like, man, I just wouldn't envision the Ravens giving the rookie a green, the green dot for him to call the plays and him to get the defense in order and whatnot. But then I thought about it and something that you mentioned too, it's a brand new defense. So it, he did like you mentioned, Mike McDonald, he had been with the Ravens before for the longest and he went to go, it's like he took a little vacation for a year with Michigan and now he came back. So a lot of the stuff may be the same, but a lot of stuff will be different. And with that being said, if it's all different, if it's a brand new defense, then it's almost like it's a level playing field for everybody. But obviously with veterans being in the game, being around the NFL, some things they may understand a lot more than a rookie coming in, but it is still a level playing field. So if Kyle Hamilton wants to have the green dot, he's learning a brand new offense, just like Chuck Clark was learning a brand new offense, just like a lot of these guys learned, I mean, excuse me, not offense, defense. I get so focused on offense, it slipped in there. But they learning a brand new defense all together. So would it be in a level playing field? I wouldn't mind it. And it would be- Sorry for the question, man. I had to ask you your opinion because I could be talked into it either way, you know? So yeah, if he was given a green dot, it would be, I know there will come some struggles, which that's part of the game. They're gonna come some struggles with he has a green dot or not. But I feel like, especially with health, if he has a green dot, then I feel like with health alone, he'll have so much help around him to usher him into the NFL. You got, that's like Marcus Peters. You got Marlon Humphrey. You got a Josh Bynes. You got a Calais Campbell. You have some very powerful football minds around you. You have some very powerful leaders around you and guys that are gonna be like, hey, it's okay, we got you. So if it was given to Kyle Hamilton, I would be fine with that. I'd be cool with that. It took me a little while to come around to it, but really after thinking about the whole scenario and the whole situation, yeah, I would be all right with it. Kyle Fuller too, another vet. Oh, man, yeah. So yeah, man, it's a great mix, man. It really is. I'm excited about the secondary. Now, know that you would prefer Chuck Clark to stay, of course. And you gave a lot of great reasons for that. But if Chuck Clark were to be traded, what would you feel he would be worth in a trade? That's the tough part. And if I think that in some ways he's worth more to us than he is other teams, because I do think it's a new defense, but I think a lot of the terminology may be the same. It's like learning a big vocabulary worth, dictionaries worth a vocabulary. Chuck's gonna have some of that down. But I guess what I'm saying is if it's a third, if you're offered a third round pick, a fourth round pick, a veteran wide receiver, a veteran edge rusher who you think improves the room, then go ahead and do it. It would be hard to do, but keep in mind Chuck is only making about three and a half million per year. So it's not like we're paying Chuck Clark double digits to be here. If you're talking about, hey, let's trade Chuck for a sixth round pick or something like that, I'm not down. Now the one guy I think could really use Chuck is Wink Martindale at the New York Giants. I look at that roster engraving and I'm gonna be kind because they're NFL players and they've achieved more money than I'll ever see, but that roster is kind of hurting on defense. And to have Chuck Clark come in, organize everybody to get them lined up properly and to instill Wink's mentality on those New York Giants, that's the other team that I could see him being as valuable to as he would be here. So who knows, man? I mean, it could be that close. It could be like we're offering the sixth, there's no way we're trading Chuck Clark for that. We're offering a third or a fourth. Well, maybe that depends on how deep next year's draft is. Can you get a Travis Jones in the third next year? Like this year or Lay Lay or Armored Davis, you know, if not maybe even a fourth round pick wouldn't do it. So yeah, a million dollar question there, man. I wish I had the answer because he's cheap and three and a half million but strong safeties are devalued. They're not like the Marcus Williams and the Earl Thomas who get paid the money. That's a really good point, she made it. That would be something to see Chuck Clark in a New York Giants jersey, especially because the Ravens played in New York Giants this year. So that should be a lot of fun. Greg Roman going against Wink, Lamar going against Wink, testing out his defense against this offense. That should be a lot of fun, man. Can't wait to see it. Hey, man, hopefully play some hero ball. Maybe you'll treat us like the Chicago Bears and Chris Westerie. Maybe you'll put the Chris Westerie of his team out on the island with the game on the line and see how Mr. Bateman handles that. So yeah, sorry, Wink. Love you, Wink, thank you, but yeah. Yeah, let's see how it goes, man. But anyway, Jason, I appreciate you coming on. One more time, just let everybody know where they can find you at. Yeah, man, huddle it up films on YouTube. Definitely go over there and having some fun conversations. If you notice, I can't help but to take a couple of jokes and cheap shots, even with the professional over here in Raven. So yeah, we have some fun over there, but also it should keep you busy during the summer. The highlights, the game breakdowns. I mean, if you want to see some Tristan Cologne stuff, you can. If you want to see some Broderick Barge then you can. You want to see 20 Minutes of Lamar, you can. So go over there. Welcome to the family. Always say football is family. And y'all are more than welcome to go over there. And, you know, thanks and great. And this was fun, man. This is good talk. Oh yeah, you already know, man. So team keep it clean. Appreciate y'all watching. Make sure you subscribe to huddle it up films. His information, it's all going to be down below in the description. So that'll make it easier for you. I appreciate y'all watching. I appreciate you coming on, Jason. We out.