 Boss talk, yeah, everybody on it. Check it, check it, check it. This is a unique house. This is your boy, E-CEO. And I'm here with a lovely, amazing official, Miss Jamaica. What's going on? Nothing, nothing, my dad. Man, hey, man. Hey, it's a beautiful, wonderful day. We made it to see another day, man. And I'm gonna be honest with you, a lot of people didn't wake up today, but we are here, man. And check it, man. We got a guy here today, y'all. He really don't need no introduction. He been grinding for a long time, man. This is one of our natives, man. Here in the D, man. Check it out, man. What throw there says in the building. Yes, sir. What's going on, man? Man, slow motion. Welcome to Boss Talk 101, where the boss is talking. Yeah, what I came to do. Say it. Talk like a boss. Hey, you on that stage now. Just like when you cry out at mic, you on that stage, baby. So what's going on with you, man? Just tell us, man, let's get into it, man. What you been up to? No? No, let's go back, man. You want to go back. We always go back. But I'm so curious. Are you that throwed while you just have that name throw essay? You that throwed? Yeah. So when I was a kid, that's, you know, some of me and one of my boys, he don't rap no more, but one of my boys growing up, we, that was a term we would use because it was thrown around in the Mexican rap community, throw, being throwed, you know what I'm saying? Okay, so it's not anything you did that it was like, man, you throw. No, I mean, yeah. But I don't just, you know, I don't attach it to just one throw thing, you know what I'm saying? Oh, it wasn't because I handled my business because I think I deserve to get throwed. Yeah. That's the one that really, you in Texas, nigga, don't play me. I know what was going down, man. Everybody said throw. Yeah, for sure. I think Jay-Z even say throwed. He tried to even say throw. It's the link. You know what I'm saying? So it's a dope name. So originally from what side of town? I'm actually, I was born in Carrollton. Okay. Right, I grew up in the city, probably till about like third grade. And then we moved out to the country. So I grew up the lion's share of my life in Innis, Texas. Innis, Texas, man. That's going down. Out in the state. Out in the state. That's crazy. I done got a couple of race cars come through. They get, they get, they're fast cars. You know, it's a lot of money out there. They doing a lot of good, positive, big things out there. Yeah, yeah. I like it. Yeah, it's growing. So, so growing, how was it growing up in Innis? Compared to growing up in a city, when you, because I know once you got up and started looking around, you could see the difference in the way you was raised versus just growing up in the inner city. Man, to be honest, it was, I think it, I think it, being in a small city amplified everything more. So, although you would think it would slow everything down cause that's the thought process of the parents move their kids out from the city. Cause I don't want you growing around this shit. But it's because they're so small, it's amplified and everything. You know, like it's a lot easier to get into what you don't want people to get into. Cause it ain't but a few places you can go find, you know, find your issue. So yeah. But then in a country to me, you can't keep nothing a secret. You know what I mean? So anything you get in trouble, your parents gonna hear about that in a heartbeat and try to nip it in the butt. Right. Yeah, but I mean, I don't, I don't necessarily, I mean, yeah, that's true too, but you still, you know. I think he said, he over there by poem, you going to drive me. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Every time I go through, I'm like, man, I want to get back on the drive-in, man, one day, man. So that never been to a drive-in here in the United States. Of course, you know, I've been to a drive-in. They open every weekend or? I think, yeah, I think. So I'm being, don't let me lie, I ain't been to the city. We could have hit that thing. Okay. We could have hit that thing. You want to go what, Sunday or something? Anytime you're ready. I was trying to wait till the Chevelle get fixed, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. The SS getting fixed, man. I'm gonna pull up on that SS on them boys. I tell that scene up by Enus, if one of them boys might think they got something, I got to pull up on the boys. So did you have any siblings? Yeah, I got an older sister. Okay, so just two of y'all. Yes, ma'am. Okay, and you were raised with your mom and dad? Yup. Okay, that's good. Yeah, man, just to have a story, man. So what did you learn that, hey, man, I'm about to, I know I'm for the rap. I got to rap. I gots to do this. What inspired you? So my mom's side of the family is from the East Coast. They're from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Okay. So all my family from the Harrisburg, and I got some family in the Bronx as well. So there's a one hour line between where they all reside at. My mom's side of the family, one of my older cousins, they moved to Memphis, Tennessee for a few summers. And during the summers, everybody would come together and he would come back from Memphis and my older cousin would be freestyling his ass off. Oh yeah? I was like, damn, that's cold. Like, how you doing that? Like, how you just thinking of things to talk about and all that? And how old were you at that time? 12, 13, right? So yeah, once I seen him do it, I was like, man, I know I can do this. So I just started, you know, writing. And then around that same time, I don't know, around that same time, or shortly thereafter, there was an independent label that came out of Ennis called Deep South Tycoons. It was funded and they had made BET. One of my partners actually was like the lead artist on the label. He was on BET. He hit Billboard, all kind of things. So between the mix of that and then seeing somebody that was from where we came from actually be able to accomplish something to a certain degree, I was like, aw, we gotta do his work. If we put the work in, we'll get what we're looking for. Wow. That's cool to see that from that young age. The consistency, right? And I think it's dope the fact that, you know, hey man, he bring the whole, you know, the brown into this thing. Like it's brown when he come on the show. Like I love crossing over cultures. I like the men, you know, places where we need to, we need to try to figure it all out. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of the times, you know, if we work together, we'll move faster. And we gonna need each other too. We definitely need each other. 100%. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, man, yeah, we got a tough uphill battle when it come down to setting standards of what, how to change things for our people, to be honest with you. And if you look in our culture and you go look in our prisons, you see nothing but black and brown. And very, I mean, it's, you got 40, 40, 10. Right. Really, 40, it's really 50, 30, you know, 20, something like that. You know what I'm saying? It's for sure the blacks, we overpopulated but we cutting up every day. And we don't know nothing about the law a lot of time. So when you go in that courtroom, you be looking like, damn. Yeah, yeah. Woo, wow, damn. But then at the end of the day, things are changing. Right. What you think? I mean, changing in what aspect? I mean, because of the subject we are on, you know, with the subject we are on real quick, Free One God, he come home in five days. Free? Free Two Two. Oh, they coming home? I mean, street and two, you know, soon, but God come home in five days. But yeah, changing how? When I say changing, meaning we're finding ways to be entrepreneurs in a system where you never had that. Before hip hop, I look at the whole global thing. You know, I know, I'm old. So I know when hip hop came on the scene, when those, when really entrepreneurship is what it is. Right, right. I think that helped elevate a lot of different people. Right. Made a lot of different millionaires. Black and brown, reggaeton and all that different music, man. You got to understand pitbull or fool with it. That's a whole movement. So you got to look at the fact that these things didn't coexist. Before that it was country and a little bit of R&B. And it was very limited. You had R&B, soul, you had, what's that boy named that, the one that Sam Cook, you had different people that was making it. Marvin Gaye. But then you could count them on one finger. But when this hip hop thing hit the scene and these rappers started taking it, it crossed over to different countries. It elevated our people in a way that I don't think people really pay attention to. Most of the time what people do, they look at the bad and they focus on the bad before they focus on the good. Right, right, right. I'm being real with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't focus on the good like that because at the end of the day it's easy to look at the bad. Right. That's the easy way out. Right. Looking at the good mean I got to do better. Right? Yeah. I see throw this, they roll up and he might be in a Bentley or something. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And then I got to go get me something. You feel me? I'm motivated by that instead of hating on that. You see what I'm saying? That's what poses to be happening. But a lot of time people look at that glass, half empty instead of half. Right, right, right. Like how you get him up, you doing that? Then he automatically, not he a business man and he an entrepreneur and he can figure it out. And I couldn't. You get to say 24 hours in a day to throw this? They get it. We all get it. What you gonna do with it? Exactly. So yeah, so what was the first song that really just popped for you? That really you felt like it made some waves? Man, that's a tough question because they all, I don't pay attention to anything but personal waves, right? How they made me feel, you know what I'm saying? So my first song, when I made my very first CD that you can't find anywhere, that meant a lot to me because we would run through the school and sell the CD for $3, $5 and you know, they would go like hotcakes and some of my friends would come back in between class and hey man, I need another 10 CD. They gone already. I need another 15, they gone already. But you know, I mean, just like sports man, every shot is, you know, your last shot is your best shot. You know, your last game is your best game. Whatever you put up in the last game, that's what counts. So I'm making my best music right now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right now the last project got like that rich off rap, slide, the record, the mixtape me and baby bounce put out pressure, you know what I'm saying? It's my guy from the West Coast. Yeah, me and Splargy dropped on World Star to get on my level. I was rapping my, you know what I'm saying? You got to get on my level. Hey! I've been wilding out like Tim DeLaGhetto. Hey! Come on, come on. I be wanting to hear that. You know, I told the Premier Dallas that you get throw there say to make me a Hispanic, I want it in Spanish. Right. Intro. Yeah. I need that man. Yeah, that's easy. You say you could do it. That's easy. I need that. So when boss talk come on, like I really, I'm going to put a whole segment in the middle of it where I might just rock out to what you doing. So I can, I got some segments I want to do. Right, right, right. But I wanted to flip and change because I think I try to do things that others aren't doing, you know. But you got to do it in Spanish and English. Cause if you do it just in Spanish, you won't even know what he's saying. No, I'm cool with it. I learned. I learned. That's what the problem is. We not willing to dig down. Yeah, right. Now I want it in Spanish. I'm going to learn that thing. Yeah, whatever it is, I'm going to be talking that cash. I already know it. It's going to be fly. And then I'll figure it out. And then I'm really going to be bad because I'm going to learn it. Yeah. Right, right, right. So how do you ever use that? The diversifying of the fact that you have, you're bilingual and you're able to take it there? I don't. Why don't you use that? Because I don't, I have a fear of getting placed in a box. I got a fear of getting pushed too far over that line where it's like, oh well now we don't want you to rap. Don't rap in English no more. Just rap in Spanish. It's like, nah, bro, I'm kicking your ass in English. That's how I want to do it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I know you could, you know, depending on who's in front of me, if you can go to the Spanish side and you want me to kick your ass on the Spanish side, I'd do that too. But English is that, you know, where I grew up at, this is a true representation of my environment. I didn't grow up talking Spanish when I was running the streets and doing all that. I'm not saying we didn't have no Spanish language. I definitely talk Spanish, especially at the household, you know, and with some of my partners, but for the most part it wasn't, you know, I don't walk around talking Spanish, you know, all day long. So it's, I grew up on the English. And that's so crazy. Cause I remember the girl that worked for us, shout out to Stefania. But there's a lot of Hispanic that go through that same thing where, to me, their parents are not teaching them Spanish. Right. They're only speaking English. And then to me, it's like, everybody else wished they could speak Spanish. Like, I tell my daughter all the time, you need to ace that Spanish class because right now to get jobs or in music, you say put you in a box, but to us, it opens up other doors. You know, it like it crosses over into other avenues. Your box is just English right here. Right, right. Compared to you doing both languages. And if you even learn a third language, your box even get even bigger and bigger and wider and wider. You see why? Now for sure. Yeah, it makes sense. It's not, it's just that I be, you know, part of it is me wanting acceptance in a game that I shouldn't necessarily be seeking validation in. I already know I'm cold. I know nine out of 10 people to get in front of me can't write like me. You're not lying for lying. We go dissect my shit and I dissect your shit. I'm talking about some, I got punch lines. I got some shit that's gonna make y'all. Man, that shit was crazy. And whoever's on the other side of the table ain't gonna be that. So part of it's an internal thing that I got to get away from, right? Personally. And then also something that I got to build is me wanting to stomp around in that land. Cause I do have those internal aspirations like you say a third language. I'm intrigued by French. So I wanna learn how to, you know, je m'appelle au service. Je voudrais le petit des journées. Like I wanna learn how to really be trilingual and continue to grow and build. But it's just you gotta dig deep in. You gotta want it. And want it, you know what I'm saying? All the way. And if, and right now I don't want it enough where it's gonna, if I go do it, it's gonna be half ass. And I can't, my brand is too important to me to half ass anything. Yeah, dope. I just, I sit back and look at how you guys, you know, the, just the entertainers that come through the Dallas market. How do you feel about the Dallas movement and the music right now? I think that. This boss talk. Yeah, I know it. I think that, I think that, I think that we need to, I think there needs to be more action, right? And what, what I mean by that is, It's all good. What I mean by that is, you know, we gotta be willing to, for the people that's really putting in work, right? Like I'm not saying you just gotta offer this information to anybody, but anybody that's seeking information that's serious, that's looking at, hey, how do I create myself into a brand and be an actual independent label in today's music game? You know, offer up that information and create those avenues and stop giving the bullshit excuses of, oh, well, you know, I can't put you on, you know, this because of X, Y and Z or I can't, nah bro, let's just call it a spades business. Music business. Highlight the business for everybody that needs to understand that there's a business piece to it and help them understand, hey, if you don't have an advertising budget monthly, you are doing yourself a disservice. And the people, the people that are quote unquote, the internet be arguing with themselves, amongst themselves within the city of Dallas and Texas and so forth and so on. Like those people, you know, offer this information out to people and give them a clear cut direction on, hey man, if you not at least doing X, Y and Z, you hurting yourself, right? And offer out that information and, you know, just be available, man. Be available, man. I remember when I caught the backside of the CDR, right? And I used to go and I was willing to, even at that time, I was, even though I was checked to check, I was struggling, I was scraping the pot, I was doing anything and everything to invest in myself, I would still get turned away and not even be given information, whether it was because of my race, we don't listen to Mexican rappers, we don't support that shit around here or whether it was because people that were in position and in quote unquote power, or what they thought was power, they would just try to hold their nuts on me and we're bigger, we ain't got time to have a conversation with a small fry like yourself. Okay, cool. But my thing is just like, bro, ain't nothing, no one in the city of Dallas right now has attained or reached a yoghati, a Rick Ross, Pete Diddy, Steve Rifkin, whoever you want to call that can actually make a phone call and get somebody a check cut, we don't have that in Dallas right now. Why do you think that is? I think that it's the lack of information. Well, we got some people here to have the money. Yeah, the money is here. Is it? Yeah. The money is here. The resources is here. You know the Waltons and all them people are here. Are we not impressive enough? Do we not know how to communicate? You got Sam Walton, daughter over there, worth 40 billion dollars. You got Jerry Jones here who working with DeRoe. So are we not doing the right business deals? I'm a business man. Yeah, yeah. I'm a hustler and I see the problem. Don't play there, the money is here. Don't play like the money ain't here. It's not the money, it's the ambition and it's the desire and the drive. And it's the know-how. You got to step up to the plate. You got to be able to get into these rooms with these millionaire billionaires and have conversations and know how to present yourself. Right, but see, that's... Okay, so that's what it disconnected because the rooms you get into here in Dallas, they're not music-centric rooms. It don't have to be. Yeah, but it's different whenever you get into a room of people that are, everything in here is essentially music-driven. They understand the music business. They know how to profit off of it. Now we're talking about artists in Dallas having enough business acumen to be able to communicate, hey, this is the field that I play in. If we do X, Y and Z, I can help it benefit your field and you can make some money off me in the process. That's a tough thing for anybody to digest. You know what I'm saying? Let alone being able to create your own business plan for the business that you desire to be in, but to be able to go and take that business plan and help it translate to somebody like a Jerry Jones, that you don't give a two shits about a record company. Yeah, but if you go to a business man with a business proposition that is gonna pretty much benefit them and grow their brand of what they're doing, they're gonna work with you. Businessmen see numbers. Exactly. They look at you and they see, you know... You gotta convince them that it's there. Exactly. They look at numbers. Sometimes they don't even care about what you do, but it's just how you can project, how much they can make. For sure. Correct, and I'm in the room. So I can walk in a room in a heartbeat. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So when you've been in the rooms, you know that the opportunity is there. But then my biggest dilemma is, I don't know if I can trust to put a person in this room of this magnitude and put my trust in the fact that they're gonna be dedicated enough to push through this vision that I'm presenting. That's my biggest issue. I can get in a room, you know what I mean? And say, hey man, we could do this. I could have been and got in a room where we can do this and save what I got to say to these certain individuals. But I just don't have the trust in the talent and the drive that I see. So it's like I'm not gonna embarrass myself by putting all my nuggets on this certain individual and this certain platform and then saying, hey man, this is gonna work. I'm gonna mess myself up with my connects. Pretty much is what I'm saying. So I gotta be able to see that drive and most of the time when I pray about it and I start dealing with these individuals and I'm willing to take it there, God show me that it ain't what I need to do. Because the person, they flop every time. They flop like a fish out of water. They show they true colors. Yeah, see that ain't, like for me with the thing that, you know, the vision that I have for the Dallas scene and my end game is I don't wanna cut a check for you and I don't wanna introduce people that can cut a check for you because if I don't teach you how to fish, you will not continuously eat when we part ways. So just like the music game is so exposed now to the point of if you know what to do with the bag and you know how to go get the bag and then nowadays, just like you said, there's so many opportunities, resources, like I don't know how much people actually pay attention and study the game of music but I pay attention to everybody. Okay, so if you ain't, if you ain't watched just go back and watch Russ's interview with the Breakfast Club. He left a million dollar jewel in there. He talked about business financing and being able to go get a business credit, line of credit, which is very, it's very simple and what I mean by simple is like within a year's time, you can accumulate 100 to 200K in business financing without having the best of anything put together. Right, if you do your research and you study. So for me, the end game is teaching people number one master in the program of okay, how do we do this? Okay, I'm gonna teach you how to go get your financing. And then I'm also in addition to that, I'm gonna show you what advertising looks like and knowing and understanding the advertisement, right? Because some people they'll get to, like even the ones that pop, right? And I don't know everybody, the in and out of everybody's situations and what they got going on but major artists still gotta spend advertisement dollars, right? So if you got a regional or a local hit, quote unquote hit this on the radio and the radio and Dallas start supporting it, that don't mean stop spending your money to make yourself bigger. That means dump into it more because you already got the support of one of the biggest radio markets in the US, right? And I don't know that we understand that. I don't know that we understand that, hey, when you wanna be a brand and an entity or whatever you wanna be, advertising is forever if you wanna be alive out here. No, most definitely. I know that that big brand could be here if a person really wanted to be that person if they really shopped around and built those resources cause everybody not like throw their essay, they need a platform where they can stand down to an umbrella and say, you know what I mean, I need this. So how would you, are you willing to sign deals now in this day and time or do you like the independent? Man, I wanna, I'm trying to, I wanna, I want the independent, right? I take a partnership or something like that but you gotta really be able to show me something that I ain't already figured out through trial and error. You know, I don't spend so much money it's like, you gotta like show me and be able to give me a clear direct answer that it's gonna, you know, communicate, I'm a direct communicator. So I need you to tell me straight up, don't, I don't need no icing on the cake, man. Let's cut to the mustard and tell me about what you, what it is you can do for me or you can't do for me and be realistic. So you mentioned that interview that about financing. How long ago did you watch the interview? The interviews less than 30 days ago. Less than 30 days. So you have started implementing what he has said in your life? Yeah, I had already been working on that. But the fact that one of the biggest artists in the world came out and publicly stated that, I'm like, bro, like it, for me personally, I reaffirmed like, okay, you know what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know that you can be your own bank and not have to give away your masters and do, you know, sign yourself into a deal where people start feeling the type of way after you blow up, you know? But like, like, if you don't want to feel no type of way about you getting 30% of your money, then go put up the 200K yourself. If it's possible, you may not just be able to make it happen today. It may be 24 months from now. Are you willing to stay committed to your craft, work on whatever it is you're working on and be the best version of you within the next 24 months so that when that time does come, you can execute? Right. Because a lot more people are staying independent right now. Yeah, 100%. Well, because it's, I mean, the music is, I mean, a million streams, $4,000. Right. Come on. Yes, sir. And I mean, that ain't a lot. That's not. So a lot of capping going on out here, too. But although a lot of people are... I'm trying to figure out how much money people are really making, how are they doing it? If you don't have no merch, if you don't have certain things going on to where you can pretty much strategize selling tangible items some kind of way, are they, is Instagram just capped? I could. I ain't any boy, I'll probably get to tell you. I'm just being real. I mean, where is this money coming from? Is it coming from the street? Yeah, yeah. Is Instagram, is Facebook just capped? Is TikTok just capped? Is it a lot of dancing and frontin' and stuntin' and pumpin' and jumpin' and really you go back home and you look down and say, damn. I'm fucked up out here. Well, I need to get somebody to give me a slice of bread. I mean, because you hear these people, they puttin' their money up for the video, and shout out to all the people that do it because they're bosses in their own way because they're puttin' their money up and basically pushin' and pavin' away. And it's really, you gotta glamorize it just to get people to even stay interested in it unless you're very, very lyrical and you're able to do things and dissect things in a way to where people gonna pay attention to it. Most people don't have that talent. A lot of this stuff is trash out here. Y'all ain't ready for that. This stuff need to be, we gotta push harder. And I think there's a lot of people, a lot of homeboys in the car with them listening at this stuff and sayin' it sound good when everybody else, it's too much auto-tune on it or they ain't got enough auto-tune on it or it ain't sounding right, the engineering sucks and ain't nobody at homeboyin' tellin' that cause they just wanna try to ride with them cause they ain't got no car. Right, they do what they verse. Man, let me put Pumi on the other side. So this is what's goin' down. Like a lot of times there's not a lot of money that I can see that people are really okay to shows unless you a big artist. The show money has been kinda funny. Yeah, so I tell man when people, here's one thing about me, you can hit me and I'ma shoot you straight and I tell people all the time, this artist inbox me all the time, upcoming artist and I'm like bro listen, I need you to make a decision if you really love this cause you gonna be upside down for a little bit. Right, and when you upside down, the toughest part about being upside down is you don't have the luxury to stop. You have to keep going, I don't give a fuck what it cost you. Now make decisions right if you got cause what I want these boys doin' is don't let your baby starve over having to put a video out but you cannot stop. So if that means you swallowing your pride and motherfuckin' having to go get a nine to five or whatever you need to have you three or four hustles that way you can be upside down for a little bit. If you wanna take the independent round. Now if you want somebody to sign you and they put their money up and shit then all you need is enough exposure. You can pay a few blog sites and hopefully somebody comes into you, hits you up and say, hey man I'm gonna put the money up for you but even that, I know real life deals right now where people don't put up 30, 50K and they, hey you wanna buy this artist? No, no y'all went into that blind fold and they didn't even think this shit all the way through thinking that 50,000 was enough, it's not. It's a lifestyle. So you gotta make the decision. How long, like is this for real? Cause if it's for real. How much does it take? Man, it's a lifestyle. Just told y'all that. It's documented from artists that's significantly better than me that I look up to in the young D.O.F. you know our S&P, he was on documents saying 250 to an M to push one record. That's what I tell everybody now. It's a lifestyle. What game do you wanna play? You're trying to play high school ball? You wanna play YMCA ball? You're trying to play in the big league? Cause the big league come with a, you know. With a price tag. They come with a price tag. It's a lifestyle. I'm gonna keep saying it. At the end of the day, I love life too cause it steps up to you too. Life step up like this. And it be like, man, what you wanna do? What you gonna do? What you gonna do? And it puts all, it put it in your face too. Like you good? No, you ain't good. Put it on Instagram. Put it on YouTube. Ain't getting no views. It sucks. You still trying to tell somebody to put, go put it on, let's go put it on half paint. Let's go put it over here so we can make it go do what it do. Let's go, but it ain't gonna do what it's gonna do because you gotta do more. You gotta do better. Let's go, just try to get it on, say on the storyline. Yeah. You're right. Hey, and I'm gonna go back to this. Look, even if you are, cause you know, hustle will beat skill if skill ain't hustling, right? If you hustle hard enough and you don't got it, cause we don't hear some artists now. Who? I like that. Say it again, say it again. He said hustle. The hustle will outlast the skill if the skill don't hustle, right? So if you got enough hustle, you can get out here now. But again, this is the thing you gotta think about this shit just like a business. Coca Cola is one of the biggest brands in the world. They still spend advertising dollars like it's nobody's business. Why? Well, I'm gonna be honest with you, bro. You gotta do it. I'm gonna be honest. And you can fall too. Oh yeah, you're gonna fall. Let me tell you something. I done seen some, in this business and over the last year of traveling, going to Atlanta, going to Vegas, going to Cali, going to Houston a couple of times, going over here, going over there, going to East Texas, going to Louisiana. I've seen a lot of people and the people I've seen, some of them y'all know. Household names, they in the back now. Yeah. They back in the back. Say, man, what's up, man? I ain't gonna do no interviews, man. I ain't doing nothing. I ain't got nothing to what I'm gonna talk about because they don't have nothing because at the end of the day, something bad happened, a depressive state pushed them into a corner to where one of the homeboys made and the other one didn't and he owned like hell right now. And then the other one saying, damn, he left me. Right, right. Damn, this is happening. Right now. I'm telling you, I don't have anything to say to him. And it's not easy, man. It's not easy for people to, I've had them right there freeze. It just messes me up. I can't believe it happened to me. Yeah, right there, right there, right there. And they still ain't got over it. So what do you do? How do you keep going when things don't just go exactly the way you thought they would and people don't, they don't ask for you? They don't even want a picture no more. I mean, you just said it. You said, you just said a minute ago, life gonna look at you. Life ain't playing. It's gonna look you up and down. That's what I'm talking about. It's gonna see what you're really talking about. Take your chance out. What's up? Life is the best teacher in the world. And everybody ain't the same. Some people use that and be like, I'm gonna prove it to everybody that I can't succeed. That I'm gonna, you know, this ain't no failure, this is motivation. But yeah, some people would take it and cave. They can't deal with the pressure. And I look at that, like, if you cave under something like that and go ahead and change your career, do something else. Because it's gonna keep coming. It's gonna come even harder later on. And if you cave under that, it's just not gonna work for you. Right, right. And it's a hundred ways, man. Like, you know, I love what I truly love what I do. That's why I do it consistently. And I'm so, I'm hungry for this. It takes passion. But it's a million ways to be a millionaire here, man. You got real estate agents that live like what we wish we could live like. You got mortgage loan officers that live like what we wish we could live like. You got sales, you know, district managers, you know, like for big, big box corporations that you wanna make some good money. See, you know what I'm saying? So you ain't gotta be in love with, you know, just when it looks at you and you realize it ain't this, that's cool. Go find something that you really love and, you know, push it to the max. But you know how many people out here are in a career that they don't love? They're just in it for the money. They're just in it to pay the bills, supply for their kids. They just go to work. They hate going to work every day, but they just go because they have to. You got to. You know what I mean? Yeah, you gotta understand, man. It's, hey, man. These boys, man, they don't understand this grinding chains. You were looking for a 360 deal. You ain't got to worry, everybody ain't coming. 360 time is over. Everybody won't talk about 360 deals. Them deals are already done. They got a new thing that they doing, man. What they give you, they tell you they gonna be there for you. It's a dream, man, that everybody happy for a season and ain't nobody pop. They shelling smoke out of you. So what's next for throw to essay in the music industry? What are you coming up with? He need to bring somebody under him. He ain't got no little underdog that's just basically, he need to put somebody one of them young boys under him and let him let him ride the wave. I'm sorry for answering the question, buddy. That's what he need to do. I know, his name is throw to essay, not. I'm throw to essay number two. Oh, okay. Go ahead. Nah, that's definitely coming, man. You know, I definitely want to go the executive route. It's just a time and thing, man. Like, you know, again, I'm very protective of my brand, of my time. You know, I got tears and I got a wife. I got people that, you know, require X amount of attention from me and music in itself, the industry in itself requires a lot from you. Just for me as a personal artist. So I know what, you know, the extra weight is going to be added. So it's just a time and thing for me. But I'm definitely working on that. Have active conversations with the gentleman. I do call my team and it'll come. It'll come. I mean, for, but for right now, if you need any games that I'm here. Do you think you're giving the music industry 100% right now? No, no. How is it possible for anybody to give music industry 100% when you have a family? Is it possible? No, I think it is. I think it is. It's just, it's just, you got to make, you got to make some of those. You got to make some tough decisions. And there was a time that I did make decisions like that. There was a time that I did miss birthdays. And I did, you know, I had, you know, tough, tough fights and tough, you know, in-house times where this shit was, you know, a hurricane at where we was at. But, yeah, today I won't, I won't, you know, I already did that. I'm not doing it again. You know what I'm saying? So, but, but through all that, it was necessary. You know what I'm saying? And I only say that I'm not giving it 100% is because. Yeah, it's about to ask you why. Yeah, yeah, I say I'm not giving it 100% because I kind of, I kind of found my flow for what I need to do. And for me, the key is consistency. That's been my whole thing is just consistency. And my brand, I'm not looking for, for me to be in 120 countries tomorrow overnight. If it comes, it comes. But if not, I'm gonna sit in the pocket and I'm gonna keep hitting these threes and I'm gonna put my, you know, I'll put my legacy up the way I need to put it up. You know what I'm saying? Like I've, there was a time where I would look at this person, that person, and I'm like, damn bro, I want it to go like that for me. But you know what I'm saying? Like I can't rush nothing, you know what I'm saying? He dictates that, you know what I'm saying? So I just gotta play my position. Shark Gang, what does Shark Gang represent to you? What is that? Shark Gang is a representation of my OG from Houston. One of my OGs, he was one of the first big guys that gave me, like took me up under his wing all the way. You know what I'm saying? It's a reflection of my guy Poncho V. I met him through Baby Bash. Baby Bash saw me online, he reached out. This was at a time where he was on fire too and he just showed so much love and was down to earth. So he brought me to Houston, brought me around some people and then Poncho V had a hit record back in the early 2000s called Nasty Girl. And so I'm, you know, on the Mexican side, I'm super familiar with who he is and what he's done and what his resume is. So we were the, his record label at that time was Sartre Water Records. So, you know, I made, you know, Shark Gang and put in, you know, just stamped it on me. Yeah, man. Yeah, I saw the necklace there, Shark Gang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he gave me a lot of games. So, you know, it's just, I'm a super Lord guy. And that means when anybody slows down and will give me energy that they didn't have to give, it means the world to me. And I'm super appreciative of that because I done had the door closed on me so many times for no reason, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, okay. Well, what about Supreme? What does Supreme mean to you? Because I know when I talk to Cam Capone News and that's how I found out about you, to be honest with you, because I was asking him how did Supreme end up at his house or at his studio? And he was like, I don't know, but then he was like Supreme, yeah, throw this thing and he was over there. So how did you and Supreme link up and what's that all about? Yeah, so me and Supreme being familiar through a producer that I knew, shout out my boy Fetty. He been on me about knowing Supreme and locking in with Supreme. How long ago? Six, some years ago. It's been a while, but we never really, we never really caught up. But anyway, we would pay attention to each other. Let's just put it like that. And once I got a, you know, as of late, like I keep hitting the little strides and little, you know, key highlight moments for my career and after one of them, Supreme reached out to me. We got on the phone. He congratulated me. We had a little conversation and he threw something at me and then I threw something at him. And without hesitation, again, the Supreme made some phone calls for me and got me on the phone with some people that I've been trying to hunt down with nobody. And I know something, you know, got me on the phone with some people that I know other individuals could have put me on the phone with, but chose not to, you know what I'm saying? And so, yeah, man. So ever since then we locked in and yeah, bro, like, you know, Supreme down the earth, he leverages his resources for me. And you know, that's a part of his managing technique that he utilizes for you. So if something's going down, he wanted the guys that you can call him and he gonna make it happen. Or he gonna call you and say, this here is happening. Right, right. That's dope, man. So, cause I know Kay Breezy, she rock with him, been rocking with him for years. For sure. And you rocking with him. And I think that's dope. And I think it's one more guy that he told me about, but he always talk highly of you, man. I think that's dope that you guys have had a relationship for over years, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's dope to have that connection, man, to have the unity, right? Yeah. So what about the top three artists of all time? That was just about to ask that. My top three artists of all time. You gotta take that. Dead or Alive, any genre. Number one. Man, Impact, Number one. Impact to me, I would say, I would say Big. Biggie. Yup. You and Mike Jones both. Number one. Number two. I say Biggie, I say, I'ma go with it, I'ma go with it. I'ma say Biggie, M, and I'ma go current with Gates. Oh, Gates, so Biggie, Eminem? Eminem? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boy, I had some controversy on there about that. Boy, Eminem, dope. He got lyrical, you going for lyrics. With Eminem, that's it. Why did you pick Biggie? Why did you pick Eminem, and why did you pick Kevin Gates? Kevin Gates. Biggie was the first, so when I started learning how to rap, I would memorize other rappers' music, and it was always Big versus... Not Tupac. No, it wasn't, I don't, yeah. I fuck with Pac though, but it wasn't, like, he didn't, I really rocked with the shit Biggie was putting down, so. Big, and then M, his lyrics, lyrically, I don't care what they got to tell, I don't care what they talking about, none of that. M, not a better artist, and if we talking lyrics, M is at the top of the list. I don't care how they feel about it, it's M. I could really give you some smoke on there, but I'm gonna let you make it, because I just don't agree with that. Not saying that M not, but I think out of your list, I think Kevin Gates the hardest out of all of them. I'm talking about lyrically and everything, and his persona and his intelligence, and the way that he handle that, Mike better than Biggie. Yeah, for sure. But it hurt, then, when I said that. Yeah, niggas don't want to hear that, I'm from the South, man. I'm beautiful. And Kevin Gates go all in, you know what I'm saying? And he a family man, so at the end of the day, a black man keeping a family together, and these day and times, I respect it to the utmost. So for him to be a family man, that's gonna put him at number one on my list. And for him, the lyrics, and his voice, and his cadences, and the way that he come off, is thorough. So I feel like out of all of them three artists, I can't say M and M, because at the end of the day, he came into a culturalistic thing, where he got his own, I can't relate to his issues. So it's hard for me to try to figure out, okay, this is what I'm gonna do. But have he been successful? Yeah, I think the red carpet gets laid out for him a little bit more easier too, than a Lil Wayne or somebody like that. Just being real, for me, I think he gets the red carpet. He gonna get the red carpet every time, because this is, we in America, Jack. I'm not trying to play with this thing. But where my guys come from, the guys who got it out the mud, you know, I'm definitely, if I go up in New York, I'm an old cat, so I'm going to Eric B. and Rock Kim, something real throat. So at the end of the day, those are the big homies. You know what I'm saying? But down south, Kevin Gates is going down through there, on that list, you just gave. Yeah, easy. So that's what the top three is all about, really. It's people get to give, because we need to know where things are right now. And I think that top three helps us to know where each individual feels things are for them. And some people come up with some names, like new names, because they're inspired by some of these new people who are coming up. So this is your choice. This is your opinion, your top three. And I just gave my opinion on your top three. That's all I did. I wouldn't have picked those top three, because I'm PMC all day long, baby. But at the end of the day, I can play with your top three all day long. Kevin Gates is going to be at the Pellicle, with that thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the show. So what can people get a hold of you if they want to try to book you for a show, if they want to just try to get you to come and do an interview, or just trying to get that throw there, say how would they get at you? Yeah, everything is at throw there, say spell it proper, and then it's T-H-R-O-W-E-D-E-S-C, and then you can hit my profile on Instagram, if you want to talk to me live. We got some booking numbers in there. you can get a hold of us, you know what I'm saying? Just make sure it's official. Oh, really, man? So, did we leave anything out? You sure? We talk to the mom? No, we did, we did. So look, this is what we did. Let's go. You for the rap? No. Yeah, nigga, you better give him a 16, boss. Nigga, I turned the beat on right now. Don't play, nigga, yeah. Right, yeah, they'll love it. Look, so, cause we on boss talk, I wanna make sure I make this clear. You know, cause we had this, we slightly touched on this conversation when we was on the phone, E. And the Mexican artist, you know what I'm saying? Like, I really want the things to change for Mexican artists. And I don't wanna go into the long debate of whether I feel like we are getting a look or we're not getting a look. You know what I'm saying? But I wanna be clear. Make sure we working. Make sure that the music is fucking fire so that they can't deny it. Let the music speak for itself. But educate yourself on the business and shit is not free out here. You can't go into Walmart and get what you want at the price you want. It don't work like that. That's not the world. Wow. This is a business, right? And I wish somebody would've told me this 10 years ago when I first started hitting the pavement or five years ago even, somebody would've just sat me down and said, throw, stop fucking walking around looking for a handout, bro, and get on your shit because if they ain't gonna give it to you and you really want it, then that means you gotta hustle your ass off to make it come to you. And that's what I did. Wow. Right? And that's what I'm doing each and every day. I'm always looking for game. I'm always learning. I'm never too smart. I'm not, never too cocky. If anybody got some, I get around someone and they got some shit that put on the ground that I need to pick up and I'm gonna slow down and pick it up. Already. That's that dope, man. Do you ever try to reach out to any other Hispanic rappers and be like the younger ones coming up and try to like educate them and stuff like that? I definitely have had conversations. I've been engaged and I've engaged some, but yeah, at the same time, I'm in my own world and they're in their own world. So it ain't something that we slowing down. So that's why while I'm here and I can take that little clip and make this shit go do what it's supposed to do. I wanna do that and make sure I highlight that because the business side of the music is where we lack and what we need to be stronger on. And shit, Google will tell you how to build a house if you take the time to look for it. That's right. I don't get discouraged by people when they put you down because they feel like you don't belong in the music industry. Everybody ain't gonna love you. Everybody ain't gonna think you're shit hot. That's okay. What do you think? You know what I'm saying? And if you are, check that out, man, trust me. I've been robbing Peter the paypal to make this shit happen, to make it look like it was something that it never really was. I had times like that. So if that's what your current situation is, but you love this enough to where you like, man, five years from now, I'm still gonna be a rapper, 10 years from now. And I got a daughter and she five. I want her to know that her daddy, or if you're a female, her mama out here putting in this motherfucking work, then take this shit serious. Google, learn, ask questions. Everybody might not give you an answer, but some people might and whatever they give you apply it. That's real talk, man. Hey, man, throw an essay. We love you, bro. Love your energy. Once we get you in, you family. So whenever you got something that you drop in a project, or if you're trying to get somebody to be noticed, then you say, hey, this person is a good woman. Let me know if it's something that we know that that's really where that work ethic is that you just spoke on. Because a lot of people don't put that work ethic in. They just, they want it and don't want to put, you know, to work in and get it. So we got to make sure we differ that. And we don't want to just water these. You know, this platform right here, man, we just, we love in the vibes. We're getting the right people, man. We appreciate you for coming on Boss Talk 101. What a boss is talk. Yeah, for some. For some. Check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, man, what a boss is talk. Yes, sir.