 عوض بالله من الشيطان الرجيم بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم السلات والسلام على أشرف الأنبياء وسيد المرسلين حبيبنا ونبينا وشفيع نفوسنا أب القاسم محمد المصطفى صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم وعلى آله الطيبين الطاهرين الغر الميامين المظلمين ولعنة الله على عدائهم أجمعين السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته مرحباً أبداً أبوه أبوه ومخاديين لأشخاص لنا تي 3 تي تك وتراب إن شاء الله كما always I'm your host علي برجي و with us none other but I'm respected and highly beloved سيد شبير كرماني السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته سيدنا إن شاء الله before we begin I'd just like to inform you real quick that during the second half of our program إن شاء الله we will have the lines open for any of you who would like to join our discussion contributes or ask the same question and the numbers will be available the lower bottom of your screens now we discussed last week about leadership و now we've said as well from the beginning of this program that anything we discuss about we always take أحل البيت عليهم السلام as the base, the role model and the قبلة for guidance and wisdom, extracting wisdom and information in order to improve ourselves spiritually, physically, socially, financially and insha'Allah we're going to continue with the topic of leadership but most importantly we want to understand what makes a great leader and eventually through this program today we want to understand how we can improve our communities and what role does identifying and choosing whether it's us or someone else a proper leader plays the significant role in the society as a whole insha'Allah we'd like to begin with the question as why is a leader important in the first place بسم الله بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم البيت عليهم السلام is an extremely important trait and it's a very important position that is a part and parcel of society البيت عليهم are needed in different fields they're needed in fields that we've been talking about in the past for example they're needed in business and entrepreneurship in commerce they're needed there they're also needed in politics for example they're needed in community development at every aspect of life even in a family structure you need someone as a leader you need someone wherever there are humans you will need a leadership element now leadership doesn't necessarily have to be what you and I may perceive it to be leadership doesn't necessarily always have to be just one individual charting a vision although that is one form of leadership leadership could be a group leadership could be a team leadership could be an entire entity or institution working together to lead a cause and leadership can have a face at times it can have somebody who's at the forefront or it can be faceless at times all of these are different forms and facets of leadership leadership is however extremely important because you have to be able to chart a vision see down the road see down the forest and be able to move people and motivate people and inspire them to look and see towards your vision and help chart a plan to get there we should sunlight on this in the past episodes if not maybe explicitly but implicitly and sometimes even explicitly when we talked about for example a leader in one sense is someone who sees a vision for the future sees where we are today and looks at how I can bridge the gap how can I chart and create a bridge from one point to the other and get there so for someone who has a business or enterprise that maybe for example how can I grow this business how can I get more revenue generated things like this for someone who's trying to develop a community they can try to say for example this is where we are today this is where we're trying to get to and how do we get there in terms of having impact on our community doing good for our community helping people out at the same time these are all very important components of leadership somebody has to chart that vision and help mobilize people to act on that vision and this is of course what the أهل البيت عليم السلام did this is what رسول الله did as we mentioned in the past episodes as well رسول الله he charted a vision for the community for the early Muslims whereby they were willing to go through the persecution they were willing to go through that difficulty because they saw the end goal which they saw over a period of 23 years of course the early years the Meccan years were very difficult for early Muslims and of course indeed for رسول الله himself because he was the ultimate leader who was going through this difficulty I don't think it was very easy it must have been very difficult for رسول الله to see the persecution that was happening to his followers people giving their lives in those early days ياسر and سومية for example the sanction that were placed on the Muslims إن شاء الله بيطالب the economic sanctions people starving that was very difficult for رسول الله but this is what leadership does but leadership inspires people to a better place in a better position and takes on those difficulties and calamities themselves رسول الله took stones was pelted with stones and tithe when he was trying to bring people to Islam and give them the good news of Islam yet he never at any moment did he curse them or anything of that nature rather he prayed for them this is the highest pinnacle of leadership رسول الله himself and who was رسول الله's number one protégé the person who رسول الله himself trained علي الله بيطالب أمير المؤمنين صلى الله عليه وسلم that no one taught أمير المؤمنين except رسول الله and رسول الله is that individual that is the only person above أمير المؤمنين علي الله صلى الله عليه وسلم and أمير المؤمنين if you want to see the justice of رسول الله don't look no further than أمير المؤمنين علي الله عليه وسلم in his form of governorship and how he instructed others as well this discussion of رسول الله and علي ابنة بيطالب أمير المؤمنين صلى الله عليه وسلم it's inseparable there is a divine hikmah and it is no coincidence that in غدير in that final ceremony of غدير رسول الله is stopping all of those who have just come back from حج accepted by all Muslims شيعة سنة doesn't matter شيعة نان شيعة all accept the final ceremony and time and time again but in the final so much when they are returning from حج رسول الله says whoever has gone ahead bring them back and whoever is behind let them catch up and let us make an announcement and in that announcement he says من كنتم أولاه فهذا علي that whoever is master I am علي is his master but before that he said ألستوا أولا بكم من أنفسكم that do I not have a greater right over you than you have on yourself to which they all responded بلا يرسولوا this was an extremely important announcement because it was passing the baton of leadership for the Muslim world it was none other than leadership how is it possible that رسول الله over a 23 year period has established the Muslim empire he has established the world for the Muslims the Muslim world through his leadership and he doesn't select a leader for after him for when he leaves this world how is that possible how does that make sense and this is the reality of the matter the leadership is fundamental to Islam it is through the leadership of رسول الله through أميل المؤمنين that Islam was able to thrive now someone may come forward that there was a moment in time where أميل المؤمنين's right was taken away from him for a certain amount of time yet this is where we see أميل المؤمنين at his height that he was still willing to advise those and help those individuals when they needed help for the betterment of the entire Muslim world to see the big picture this is what a leader does a true leader of the highest caliber a true leader of the highest caliber sees the bigger picture and they see further down the forest than anyone else someone who is a small time leader you want to talk about leadership and the height أميل المؤمنين صلى الله عليه وسلم a leader who's a low caliber leader says well I want the credit I want this to be me you know there's a very famous quote I believe it's Ford where he says that it's amazing when you can get accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit it's amazing what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit at the end of the day that's very true and many a times we're just focused on getting credit at the end of the day I did this this was my initiative this was my decision this was my decision it's always thinking about ourselves rather than thinking about the general whole or anything else other than ourselves absolutely but what I wanted to discuss with you is what do you think creates this psychology in human beings that when we look let me rephrase when we look at أمير المؤمنين and we look at personality like معاوية now when أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ruled it was very difficult for him to find loyal people yeah to the extent where أمام علي عليه السلام would say that I would exchange 10 of mine for one of معاوية's followers and we know that أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام would not overpower the people would not hold his leadership through fear he would do that through kindness through appreciation through goodness but people would not would not appreciate that that's the thing but when you had personalities like معاوية get in power everyone would work like would follow his orders like clockwork no one would dare no one would dare to be disloyal to him because they knew they'd lose their heads straight away so what what would it take for a community a people to understand the true value of a leader rather than just I think maybe fear being the driving force of them submitting under a person because of fear what would it take for our community to break break free of this of this psychological shackle brilliant so the crux of what you're saying is in essence is this that أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام the method of leadership and governance was based on justice and adherence to justice and ultimate عدالة ultimate justice and the other side of the fence as you correctly stated there were people the likes of Muawiyah who essentially for lack of a better term he bribed people into submission there's two very important human emotions that we've mentioned on previous episodes as well there's something called the fitrah of the human being that Allah subhanahu و تعالى alludes to in the in the Quran he alludes and we have numerous traditions that tell us about human nature for example our human nature tells us at some level what is right and wrong we know within us that this is truth and this is false this is good and this is bad at the same time we have some animalistic urges as well that when Allah subhanahu و تعالى made us أشرف المقلقات the human beings the best of his creation at the same time this human being has the ability to be better than the angels if we choose to be so and we have the ability to be worse than the animals if we choose to worse not in the sense that animals are bad meaning the animals don't have the level of intellect that human beings have and therefore we can act on animalistic desires and begin to do some of the worst things for example in history has shown that many human beings become butchers they kill innocent people left right in the center and you still see this till this day in this world although it gets gets masked but anyways the point being that because Allah has endowed us with intellect and desire if we control our desire and have our intellect over it we can become better than the angels the angels who don't necessarily have the desire to sin so we have to go over an obstacle and a test what I'm getting at is fear and greed these two emotions they govern the stock market for example they even govern business at some level they govern many aspects of our world a person like Muawiyah who used his leadership for not the best things in the world even our non-Shi'a Muslims all agree that even Muawiyah anyone who came against Amir al-Mu'mineen who stood against Amir al-Mu'mineen Ali ibn al-Talb صلى الله عليه وسلم عليه was wrong and they made an error in its tihad this is what they say their definition even they accept that they made an error at that moment in time so there's no comparison between Ali ibn al-Talb who is the height and pinnacle of leadership and then someone like Muawiyah but that begs the question how was Muawiyah able to get people on his side and you said correctly about trading ten for one how did that happen because he understood the concept that people had in their hearts of fear and grief that people would begin to say that prayer behind Ali عليه السلام Ali ibn al-Talb is very nice but dinner with Muawiyah is nice as well so they wanted in spirituality they knew that this is Ali ibn al-Talb but they knew it if we want the world if we want this dunya if we want this world we have to be with Muawiyah Muawiyah who would buy people for traditions you know you find traditions that are seemingly against Ali ibn al-Talb today and I don't blame some Muslims who live in today's era because they are confused if you go back if confusion arose what would happen there's various traditions Muslims Shi'a Sunnah Shi'a Allah all except that there are at least at least 300 verses that have been revealed in honor of Ali ibn al-Talb verse after verse إنما وليكم الله ورسول وليدينا عمن وليدينا يخيم للصلا ويطون الزقة وهم راكيا for example verse absolutely unanimous it is for معاوي I know I don't I want this in honor of me or not for Ali or things like this change the history they invite the person who is the the one who is narrating the hadith how much how much said I want you to write this for someone else and it's not for Ali I can't do this it's unjust it's unjust 10,000 no I can't do it 50,000 no I can't do it 100,000 million you know the guy starts kind of trembling a little bit you know you know everyone they say everyone has a price he says fine here give me just changes it takes the money and goes this is what معاوية was able to do معاوية he wasn't in one aspect from one dimension he was a very astute he had been given and endowed with a certain level of intellect which he used for evil he used the intellect that had been given to him for evil but اميل المومين respond so amazingly Ali ibn Abi Talib says that if I wanted to I could beat معاوية at his own game I could defeat him at his own game but my principles do not allow me to do this my ethics don't allow me to do this my integrity doesn't allow me to do this and this was this is an invitation of thought to all Muslims and non-Muslims alike أحسنت that how can you make Ali ibn Abi Talib you demote Ali ibn Abi Talib from Karamallahu wajahat you bring him down to رضي الله تعالى عن and you elevate معاوية to رضي الله تعالى عن and therefore it seems like معاوية on the same plane it's an invitation to think for human beings how is it possible the one that رسول الله is saying افس myself yet this is what's happening in any event this is the importance of leadership leadership when we talk about leadership Islamically it's not just about results although that's an important aspect of it it's results with ethics it's results with integrity this is why leadership is so important leadership is important because we want to aspire to the level of leadership of Rasulullah and Ameer Al-Mummi and Ameer Al-Mummi the holy prophet and the same level Ameer Al-Mummi and the people of Ameer Al-Mummi who are at the highest level. We do not want to aspire to the likes of Banu Umayyah in terms of their leadership. Were they leaders? In some sense yes they were leaders. They were leaders because they had been given a title by the people but is that sufficient to have the love of people in your hearts? That's what the Ahlul Bayt Ali Musalam had. How can we train ourselves in order to appreciate for example during the days of Ameer Al-Mummi and Ameer Al-Mummi people wouldn't appreciate him as much as they should. Like we can see these unique individuals like ميتم التمار مقداد سلمان المحمدي now obviously these were people who truly were aware of the position of the holy imams and they followed to the last to the dot and it means that they would never even comprehend of disobeying but yet again the majority of the people even though for example as you mentioned the incident of Ghadir Khom everyone was aware that Imam Ali was the successor of the Holy Prophet ﷺ even before Ghadir Khom everyone was aware yet they abandoned him and when we want to learn from our mistakes because that's the whole point why we're here benefit from the mistakes of our predecessors and improve so hopefully eventually we can start heading towards the next step collectively now when it comes to our society because we said at the end of the day the main question the main information we want to extract from today's show is how can we increase the level of success in our communities and in order to do that I believe is that we must learn from these mistakes and look at communities how many times we choose leaders for all the wrong reasons and how can we or where can we start from and identifying the mistakes and fixing them in a way where we can start identifying who are meant to be leaders and who aren't and how to choose the leader and how not to choose the leader برلي so with respect to identifying leaders I believe the cultivation of leadership meaning the grooming of leadership and training of leadership must start very early on we must as leaders in the community start to groom our successors early on first, second of all going before that even as a leader myself or ourselves we must have those traits that we've mentioned we're mentioning, we've mentioned in this episode and in previous episodes for example humility for example the cause of the greater good for example the concern of the welfare of our community at large we must also not be concerned with individual credit for ourselves rather we must be focused on the ultimate end goal all of these components are very important I should not just think that because I have a title or I have a doctor or I'm an engineer or I'm a lawyer or I'm worldly successful materially successful therefore I should take on the mantle of leadership in this community or in an Islamic environment for example although I'm not saying that if you are materially successful you shouldn't be a leader in the mosque I'm not saying this I'm saying just because you are materially that's not a sufficient reason to be a leader but there are many people who are successful in the worldly sense and they're also very sincere at the same time this is very good sincerity is very important humility these traits are vital to be a leader but a team is very important as well in terms of leadership a single individual by themselves cannot always do it you need a team and you also need a sense of ownership amongst the general community in order to ultimately succeed and have a thriving community of the highest caliber it takes a lot of hard work and effort and insha'Allah if you have all of those components in place you can expect a thriving community أحسنتم with that big saying I would like to pause there Insha'Allah my dear viewers just please stay tuned we'll be right with you after a show break السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته my beloved brothers and sisters respected viewers welcome back to our show for any of you who just joined us and you're watching Imam Hussein TV live our program is T3 Teach Talk and Thrive Insha'Allah وسيد شبير كرماني from the United States now we were discussing about leadership and how important is a leader and the key note for a successful community Insha'Allah before we continue we have a question Saidna from one of our viewers the question is what about a conflict of opinion between two different leaders of the same community so we discussed about leadership and obviously a leader should unite everyone but if there isn't one main leader and you've got different leaders within the community but we're all under the umbrella of أهل البيت علم السلام what happens when there's a conflict of opinion this is a vital question I believe these questions come on from social media Facebook kudos to the questioner this is a really very important issue because we talked about previous episodes and if we haven't made this clear this needs to be very explicitly clear unity amongst the followers of the أهل البيت علم السلام is vital because as long as we are divided we won't be able to attain the level of success that we need to and we aspire towards that is the level of أهل البيت علم السلام now if there are two leaders within a congregation within a community within a Husainia within an Imam Barga within a Masjid or any other institution for that matter and that they have a difference of view and maybe people are getting split because if there's two leaders there's two parties necessarily right there'll be one one's following one following the other now the question you have to ask and I have to ask is is this difference of opinion what is the basis of this difference of opinion is the basis of the difference of opinion ego my view versus your view or is it substance is it actually intellectually rationally a different viewpoint now do I and I should have as a leader do I have a humility a level of humility that say that I'm one leader this is another leader on this particular issue that person is right I should do I should accept and follow that person unfortunately we don't see this in our communities I myself have been involved with communities and community development for many years now I've been involved with with Sunday schools Madrasa Saturday schools for over a decade unfortunately many times in many communities and in many institutions and the Shi'a'a Muslim community not being an exception egos get the best of people this is in our communities and other communities elsewhere in the world that my view is going to be the one that supreme other people's views don't matter and you know what's really unfortunate about these ego battles what's unfortunate about these ego battles is that the people who lose out are the general public the people who are coming to learn the message of Islam the people who are coming to listen to the Majlis the people who are trying to learn about their religion they're losing out further the worst case scenario is when people argue and there's a fight in the administration and the organization and the leadership of a Sunday school or Madrasa or Saturday school because who loses out many times the victims are the children themselves who are coming to learn so when this comes when an issue with two leaders have different views number one we should strive for unity in the community try to proceed in a way that does not divide the community number two when we're dealing with this issue try to separate the personality from the view this is a trait that will help you in your community development and your life in general you know in sales and in business one thing that is highly recommended that can help you succeed and I succeed is if we separate an idea or a proposition from us as an individual so for example if I'm a salesman and someone rejects rejects declines an offer that I make keep in mind they're not declining you as an individual they're declining the offer that's being made it's not you it's the idea or concept that you're proposing this is very important because many times people deal with rejection there have been studies on this that have found that rejection there's a physical somebody takes the response of rejection as physical pain I've spoken to many brothers for example that they've told me that for example they've sent a proposal and they've gotten rejected for example and vice versa there's a reject they feel it's not a good feeling the mind interprets that as physical pain the same with a leader sometimes a leader says this is my view I made it public and now if I'm rejected no one wants to go through that it requires a tremendous amount of humility to be able to do that when you're dealing with community issues separate the issue from the personality and try to make a decision that is most in line with Islam it should be a line with the Islamic perspective in the view of the at the same time it should also be a view that is practical and pragmatic as well and we must try and strive to keep and maintain the unity I tell you I have had this conversation with numerous scholars the true scholars at the highest level that they even say that if you have if you sense that disunity will happen compromise and numerous times this was the way of thought of the Ahl al-Baith as well how many times the Ahl al-Baith Ali Mus Salam whenever they could they would strive for a peace treaty the peace treaty the peace treaty the peace treaty of Imam Al-Hassan numerous peace treaties throughout Ahl al-Baith Ali Mus Salam strive for that when you're dealing with leadership try to see try to work together as much as possible don't try to say that I am a follower of this marja and I am right and you're a follower of this marja and they're right and so on and so forth don't try to say we all follow one banner that is the banner of Ali ibn Abi Al-Talib صلوات الله وسلام we are the share of Ali ibn Abi Al-Talib by virtue of Rasool Allah by means of Rasool Allah and we are we are working for the cause of Imam Al-Hajja Imam صاحب العزم I cannot agree with you more but the problem is we let ourselves down and we let our communities down and as you said at the end of the day the general public is the one that suffers and in this case when it comes to our communities it's our generations our future generations the young ones who are going to suffer the most out of these conflicts yeah what would be a good initiative in your opinion to help the people change their mindset stop this politicalization of our sect stop this creation of different boot camps and as you said at the end of the day everyone has his own ego because no one wants to be proven wrong or no one wants to lose power if any in their disposal influence so what would a good way to start changing the mindset of our brothers and sisters very good so to add to your point it's not just necessarily that we'll lose future generations although that's true if we don't get together united and we don't work for that cause we've already started losing generations we've already started losing people I myself have heard many youths say that we don't go to the Hussein anymore we don't go to the Imam Barga anymore we don't go to the Masjid anymore why? because this is the place of conflict this is a place of argumentation this is a place of strife this is a place of people fighting each other what's the point why should I be here I'm looking for God I'm not looking for people and I've heard this numerous times the point being that when we see this how do we strive for this we see it goes back to what we mentioned in the previous point that first of all we see ourselves as follows that we are under one camp other Muslims do this although they may have much more differences believe me when I tell you they may have much more differences amongst themselves حنفي مالك شافة يحملي you want to talk about differences you look at the difference with حنفي and حنبلي school of thought شيع عز in terms of their fiq are much closer to حنفي than حنفي than حنبلي it makes sense because حنفي was a student of Imam Jaffa exactly Imam Abu Hanifa was a student of Imam Sadiq and definitely and it makes sense but they all when they come together we are أحلى صنة والجماعة that's true and you can't really distinguish like if subhanallah in our community you could you could tell if شيع عز from the A community or B group yeah but when it comes to أحلى صنة even though they may have different you know just building leaders that they follow you can't really tell to an extent I mean okay you can distinguish a normal sunni from a warhabi Salafi don't get me wrong yeah but yeah we are شيع عز that's what we are that's our identity that's who we are number one number two is with respect to to how can we implement this for example in the youth encourage sports amongst each other spending more time together you don't necessarily always have to be necessarily talking about Islamic things yeah bonding absolutely yeah there's many people like the same parallels when you're trying to unite someone the bigger goal the bigger picture is very important and we need to get rid of this mentality of my way or the highway this unfortunately has become very common in communities meaning that for example حبيب عالي بورجي my respected brother here and I am شبير كرماني for example we have views maybe we align 98% of the things we agree on but there's 2% that we disagree on you know and everyone will start focusing on that 2% oh no no no we have to focus on this 1-2% this 2% issue this is the focal point whereas in one household a brother and a sister may not agree 100% father and son may not agree 100% no two human beings agree 100% on every issue on every single issue yet we have this notion that if there's a slight difference we say that this person is lost they've gone off the wrong path they've gone off the deep end fine don't talk about those things that will cause friction don't necessarily highlight those things and focus upon them and don't give allegations and start saying this person belongs to and is an agent of this and that and the other don't say these things because when you start doing this you start making the people who are confused and don't know these things oh maybe this is true maybe I don't know or maybe I'll stay away from this person this is not accepted in Islam this comes under the fold or slander on someone you're slandering there's a difference between غيبة and بوحطان بوحطان عظيمة the Quran says that was done on Maryam that not only are they gossiping not only are they backbiting but they're saying something that's not even true and unfortunately this is starting to become the norm within the Muslim world but this is our world we have the best role models you can't find better go across the globe corner to corner side to side up down north north south east west you won't find better the leaders and yet their followers are divided they're followers unacceptable so we must first and foremost look at the big picture and not start to say my way or the highway let's work together it's about time that we started doing this it's been too long that we've been separated too long and Alhamdulillah there are people who are working towards these initiatives there are people who are working towards these causes but we need to ramp it up more insha'Allah when we do that we'll succeed insha'Allah but that's the thing that's the thing that's crucial changing our mindset that even though I may have a different opinion me and yourself I will still respect you because at the end of the day we are brothers as you said very correctly and how with regards to the community when we set a leader another thing that's quite troubling is that we may have that lack of ownership or have a lack of responsibility as we think that we have an appointed leader that means that everything falls onto the leader and we shouldn't take any and that feel of ownership or liability for our actions how incorrect is that and how crucial it is for us collectively and individually believe that we all have a part of ownership in this greater picture of us as being a big community followers of Ahl al-Baitan it's very important so this ties in and you're building on this question from the previous as well if I can elaborate from that as well a lot of issues arise I talked about my way or the highway concept and these things at the same time I should note that as a follower of a particular marja for example I should not impose my view on another this is very important if I am a مقلد of a certain marja that the rulings of that marja that fatawa that marja or haja on me they may not necessarily be a haja on the other مقلد the one who's following another marja for example the same is true for example when we have our community issues and endeavors if I have a view or my committee as a view or my team as a view for example I must not necessarily impose my view on the other person however I can talk in dialogue with them and try to rational and reason with them at some level and some discussion at that the problem is do we come with a mindset of understanding and learning from the other or do we try to come with a perspective of trying to convince them that I'm right and you're wrong most times it's the latter most times people are trying to convince the other person you're wrong I'm right end of story and this is when you have this type of mentality it's very difficult to succeed and unite and actually work towards a bigger cause when when you're not united you can't get everyone together and work towards a bigger cause why is it so important because what happens is when you're disunited and I've seen this in numerous communities across the globe sometimes you have prosaeneas that are within a one mile radius of one another and you're thinking what's going on here within a few even walking distance sometimes you're like this may be a waste of resources at times I'm very cautious to use the word waste but what I mean by that is what if those resources were pulled together and had one strong community one strong community and a center which would be at the end of the day more beneficial for everyone as you said by causing frictions and divisions the ones who pay the price is the general public is the followers and that yeah I agree with you and that's the tragedy of the matter that's the unfortunate scenario that we're actually dealing with as followers of the Ahl al-Daghla you know if you go if you go across the globe coast to coast in the U.S. for example you go throughout the U.K. you go throughout the West the amount of followers of Ahl al-Daghla pales compared to the global amount and the global amount is huge imagine if the followers of Ahl al-Daghla work together throughout the globe and felt they were one entity truly and were not divided in any way and were not seeming to be so and were not causing friction over the smallest of matters sometimes or making an issue that is a substantial issue into such a big issue that it divides and breaks it into 5, 6, 6, 7 different groups imagine the estimates say that there are over 350 million Shi'a in the world if you do the math 1.6 billion, 1.7 billion Muslims of that maybe 15, 20% are followers of the Ahl al-Daghla that's a substantial number maybe 400 million how are we divided how is that possible the reality of the matter is we must hold strong and grab the rope of Allah and the Ahl al-Daghla as we mentioned in previous episodes and today I'm repeating Quran and the Ahl al-Daghla these are our guide these are our compass till the end of time these are who we follow so with respect to how do we unite how do we get that it requires us to work together to the point that we do have success to your question how do I get success now many times what you notice in communities is there are a few people who take the apparent leadership position they become the president the vice president treasurer secretary these things and over time many times the community feels like these are the people responsible for all the work this is not the best way to help a community thrive in order for a community to truly thrive and succeed at the highest level you need everyone in the community to have a sense of ownership this word is very important ownership doesn't mean that I feel like I own the place that this is my property that I have the right to tell people you come and you don't you get out you stay no no that's not what ownership means ownership in a business ownership in a community ownership in an institution means that whether it's the person at the top or the people on the ground level everyone feels they have a responsibility to the institution everyone feels they have a responsibility to this enterprise this institution at large so that means that if I'm somebody who's a part of the community I shouldn't just feel that I come here and I get and I get and I take and I take and I take rather I should also give give does not only mean financially give can mean also through my thoughts and my ideas in a respectful way for example I write down a note and I send it in for example and I give some advice for example or I stand up and say this is how I'll help I remember I talked and I spoke about leadership and this concept of ownership in one of my lectures that I felt that that I said that in one of the communities I was visiting as a guest lecturer and I was talking about how important it is to have this sense that I have a responsibility here too and after my lecture the leader of the community the president of the community he said say it's amazing what you said I'll give you an example because this resonated with me the respected the leader said of the community he said I felt this same thing without ever hearing I felt this as well he said he said I told my team team the managing team the management team administration that I want to test this and I want to show you something said what's that said tonight I'm going to put a piece of of waste a tissue paper on the ground by the entrance of the mosque and I'm going to watch everyone walk by I will let's see if someone picks up the trash or not and by the way there was a dust bin or a trash can or as you called the rubbish bin I believe is situated by the door or very close to where the trash was and he said as the night progressed throughout the night we saw person after person see the trash see the piece of paper walk by it some had the courtesy to move it with their feet for example some for example just stepped over it but by the end of the night this person told me not a single person picked up that piece of paper not a single not one picked up that piece of paper and threw it in the trash now I'm not saying this is every mosque this is every house this is every house this is every institution and I'm not saying this is limited to Muslims by anyway this is a universal issue of institutions but until and unless people feel that level of responsibility that I have a responsibility as a general member as a general attendee of this mosque as the person who's leading it we will suffer and we will struggle to succeed at the level that we're trying to succeed at everyone must have inculcate that feeling of leadership that the person who's leading or the committee or the team that's leading the community the administration feels that we can rely on the community at large and the people there and at the same time the people who are in the general community who are the strength of the community must also feel that they can actually trust and rely on the leadership and that if they say something I may be someone who doesn't have the level of societal respect but I come into the mosque and I say something I will be heard and I will be listened to and if what I'm saying is logical and makes sense it will be implemented by the leadership but at the same time I shouldn't just say this is my idea you must take action on it at the same time I should also say this is my idea here is how I'm willing to help you implement it and if people have this mentality Insha'Allah we will notice tremendous success in our communities with the help of Ahlul Bayt and Allah SWT now just real quick before we end what in your opinion would be the best way for us to promote brothers and sisters to adapt this mentality حمالة و حبة و حصول الله و حمالة و حصول الله و want the best for my community and my society and Muslims at large even if it comes بلتالي myself حسنتم no one could have said that better thank you so much for your information ونخلص فتاة عاماً لدينا مزيد من الوقت وانتظرنا على نهاية عشورنا سوف نشكركم جميعاً على تناولنا وننشارك بك بأنها قفصة جيدة لكم خلاصة نحن سوف نشارك من بها ليس شويلة جيدة افتار مع فائمي وفائمي ومتذكر لنا في صعبتك أراكم في tomorrow إن شاء الله سلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته