 Biology sbody give it up for KRG the Dot Did you see how you took his time? He was like,ha ya place my phone down took your time put the standards on you know just be easy You're such a star Bigup,thank you very much for having me here First and foremost thank you so much for agreeing to coming to our studio I always tell every artist that Miwa mbia atei suwate ngu na kuja studio, esp. during this corona periód, that we really appreciate and that's why we try to keep the social distancing for you. We didn't get a single migros. Dike mawna bilometri tu apale. Dike mwana koma rihi ka social distancing, koma sile naka. Sili kably. Chilling alone. We are too wengu kwa studio. But nanama fans wa kautu, we are just waving whatever we are. Ya ma. Uga nanama fans but still because of social distancing and kwa koronavirus, we decided to keep it like that. Bigap! Bigap. Thank you so much! Apo shoes dat. Havu bine? Bine easy. Korona na mambu mingi. Ya man, but we give time the same way. Ya man. Biasha re mi kwa jelakini? Biasha re di siya mi kwa triki, but kid ogele tu na parat na shkuru tu na jwa. Kwa everybody is stressed, the country is stressed. Everybody is feeling it somehow, somewhere. Ya. But I've been seeing ya, ni ma artisto wengi wana record a lot of music, wana chillamangu ma mingi ma videos, kwa I think kwa tu akona tie mob. Na wengi kwanza wami anza kuhu, niw kwa innovative wami anza, other things. What has it been for you? For me it's still the same because you know me I don't feel the pressure of releasing too much music because as artists you need to release music with a plan. Me I'm still following my plan regardless of corona virus and what not. Ya, we're doing so good so far. Ya ma. But music is not okay thing though. Of course. As much as we want, kina nadiwa kise mamziki na lipa ni ni ni. Just like when they don't, a business man. You know it's a business man here. Ya. I've invested heavily in music but I don't have to be like the one releasing music but I have people working with and we're still doing other businesses. Music right now it can't give us the life it can't give me the life I want. Ya ma. Because there are no gigs which is the main source of the income for the audition world. Ya. Apart from royalties and a few other things maybe march and rise and a few other things you can do. Probably endorsements. Yes. So I'm not focusing too much energy of myself, from myself to music right now because the situation of the corona virus. Ya. But I mean I'm quite curious. Ya. You know you're my boy and I know you. Ya. Right? But I'm not just a light skin. He's like my small bro. Ya. First of all you're very young. Ya. Yet you've made it. I don't know if it's right for me to ask when you met oka umezalua pesani Amani, leo, miasarama nele. He's right there. Actually it's just hard work saving kidogo push from the family kidogo. Ya know What normal tell people is that not everybody can be given an opportunity to to change his life and they do that. Ya, sure. It happens. It's not easy. It doesn't happen every time. Ya. So when you see somebody maybe one million oka multiple oka kwa 10, number 20 it means he has something. Ya. Ya man so. It's all about hard work. Ya. Investing wisely and knowing what to do at the right time. Ya man. Sometimes I failed. I'm a human being. Sometimes I do business and they fail, they burn. Ya. And they don't make me any profit. Ya. And I learn from that. Ya. It does not mean that because you went maybe I got a loss. It was just a loss. Ya man. It means like I learned something out of it. Ya. Absolutely there you go guys and you know you're at home and wondering me musiciness and if I start my business and it fails how does that know? Ya. It's sharp. You heard it from the don himself. He's gone through hard times. Telling is very good actually. Telling is very good actually. Ya. Because when you fail you learn and then you don't repeat the same thing you do something different. Absolutely. So by the time you win if it was easy everybody could be like the biggest tower the richest guy in town. Ya. Ya. But it's because it's difficult and complicated you need to learn a few other things and add your wisdom and get maybe idea from other people and join forces and maybe make a team. Absolutely. That's how it is. I mean out of curiosity you sound really wise ya. Ya. But I think we'll have to make it sometimes that we'll make it to tune up kira likewise. But it's true. Ya. We'll have some wise words though. But how old are you? 29 now turning 13 next year 10th January 10th ya. Turning 30. Ya man. Not that. Young rich. Ya. I want to be old now. Ya. Ya. At your age I mean you've made it and then you have a family. Of course. You married with kids? Oh wow. How many kids? Ah four kids. What's funny? Ushad the kids. And I'm from more Yabana. What? Conactivations. Ya. What did I think they were too? The one you always see they are too but I have two more. Two more. Oh man that is really good. Ya man. And I see your kids they are living well and they pit so much from me. Ya. Of course you know kids they don't learn from what they don't see they only learn from what they see. Okay. So they cope you know. Ya. Kids they don't learn from outside. It's what you give them that's what they take in your mind. Absolutely. How is it being an artist and trying to bring up a family you know taking care of your family trying to stay in there you know stay relevant. Ya. And avoid controversy and all that and you still have children who are looking up to you. How do you think of it? It's not easy. Ya. Actually it's very complicated. I know right. At this time and age because we have internet and like when I have beef with other people and bloggers and other people put material on YouTube my kids I cannot control what they watch when I have left. So they come and tell me stories that I don't even know you know they do research they come to find out who their dad is. Ya. Ya. It's a bit crazy but I'm trying to manage Ya. because you know nobody was born before and life is not a rehearsal you know it's one. So I'm trying to be a good parent at the same time be myself. Ya. And explore more. You are a good parent. Ya man. You are a good father and we've seen it I mean we've seen it from social media we've seen it I've seen you out there and how you treat your kids so you're doing very well. Ya man. I'm just trying to be a good father to my kids. You are a good father. Ya man. Now I need I'm sure we all need to know even guys at home we need to know about your beef and your engagement with a gengeton but before that we'll be right back Milton I'm sure you have something to do. Ya. And then we can discuss that. By the dawn. Ya. So we have KRG in the studio that's where we're booming his music right now. We are just like No. No. So it's a lot okay. No way. You say okay too. Nibwa na imba. I don't hear the producer Jame Kshakwa. Na yo Nyanus and whatever what does that even mean? Nyanus, Nyanus. What does that even mean? Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Nyanus. Na siya Tango blue time yo? Blue time. Yes. Baduk se ma blue sa So it's good for us to talk anything after that time to tell it to us exactly what it means in the words of Keraji. I'll take a video of him and then I'll post it at time. Kusumidia unizu post any time but for TV. Keraji, I know you to be a raga kind of dancehall kind of music and that's what we've been listening to. And then all of a sudden you've gone into, I mean, Gangitun or you've done a lot of collaborations. And I mean you've been doing extremely well in dancehall and here in Gangitun. How was it for you? Did you just feel the need to just move, make a move and you just embraced it and decided let me just do what they do. Okay, you know when early last year we were fighting for play ke, so we wanted to like pave way for new material from Kenya that we feel like it's more of Kenyan. So that's when Gangitun was I think introduced to our market and since these boys were young and they didn't have like direction, the generator approached me and told me why don't we fuse dancehall and Gangitun. We do like an EP and then we drop it and then we see how it's gonna grow the numbers on YouTube and other platforms. I thought about it and we were for it, you know why not try it. So I was not doing Gangitun, I was doing dancehall meets Gangitun. That's the hashtag we are using, dancehall meets Gangitun. So and we did a couple of other, we did projects though we didn't manage to do whatever we wanted because now we like we invited people to the party and then they came and stole the party because the wave that came that time it was too much for I think this Gangitun artist for them to acknowledge and know this wave is just a wave. There is more on to this thing, the fame will come but the aspect of royalty is money and how to run the business, you need to learn it from people who have done it before. You know we were trying to talk to them but you know when somebody thinks he's a star you can't tell him anything. Then I think it becomes difficult to deal with. Was it all of them that are like that? A couple of them, I approached, I know a couple of them, I don't want to mention their names but we approached other groups and like the representatives, the way they were handling us, they thought like that is the end of the world. You know they were like messiah at that time you know. So we were trying to tell them that this industry we've been here, we've done so much actually. For us who were like we started music from way back to push music was not easy. For me to have the kind of respect I have for this house, the reason why you can call me and come immediately is because I've been here before, I was KRG and tried to like pave way for my other artists and for myself, introduce myself. You have one product, you're talking to somebody who does not even know you. It was a hassle for us going to different media houses, you knock doors that they don't open and then after some time they open for us but not all and then now we are in. So for these other people they didn't go through that process so they don't know the hustle behind the music. They just felt like they were born stars from the ghetto, they don't even know when you're going somewhere to represent your brand you need to take shower and maybe dress well. They just come the way they are because that time we opened doors for them everywhere because we were pushing that hashtag play ke music. So when it came after all these processes that we've gone with them now their music is being played is a standard material but we are still pushing it the way it is. Music recorded from a phone and whatever and it's being played. I think it was a setback to our industry and at the same time it came with some immoralities to our generation because how it is affecting our generation right now we are feeling it. So if other people are feeling it but myself and a couple of other people are feeling it so that's why I was having a beef with them not because I have personal beef I have beef with whatever they are bringing into the market. If you can just do a small research on my YouTube you will see the music video I was doing like 4, 3 years back it is of better quality than what these other guys have been doing in the recent past. So we were trying to go internationally and compete with other people internationally there are bigger people who are trying to break that market. But right now we are focused on a local thing that is substandard and we are doing it and bringing more material than the consumers expect. Would you probably say people are more looking for fame than looking for the craft and the quality of the craft? Exactly you see like now people think fame comes and goes. Fame is something like when you stop doing whatever you are doing it will come it will stop but when you do a craft it will never go because you will pass it on. You will become a legend and then you will pass it on. You don't have to have so many numbers on YouTube to be a real star. There are people I know they are real stars even on Instagram they don't even have 1 million followers on Instagram but whatever they release it is music that leads on. For instance I will say Shon Paul. I think if you just go and search Shon Paul on Instagram I don't think he has reached 2 million subscribers on any followers but whatever music he produced from way back from 2002 up to date it's music that the timeless music. Ya man you know but there are people if they stop doing music today you will never look for them after one month. They have to keep on. So basically what you are talking about is that creation of brand. You have to create something amazing even if it doesn't get the numbers. Numbers are nothing to us because me I know how artists are. You can have 10 million views but it turns out you don't even have food on your table. You understand? Somebody can be having 50,000 views and whatever music people who listen to that music they bought the music. Everybody paid maybe 100 Bob to listen to that single. You understand? So if you convert 50,000 people and they left you with 100, 100, 100 it's a lot of money. You understand? But then somebody have 10 million which it is views that you can't even account for. You don't even know where it came from. You don't know where your fan base is. People maybe were watching it because they found it comic. You understand? Ya man. Do you feel like maybe where you've reached now it's ya ni you're like I'm done. I'm done trying to help people. Sometimes you can get frustrated. I'm not done yet. I'm never you know me there is a saying I normally go with. Be you do you. I agree. Don't care about what if somebody hurts you today. Don't stop being that good person. Just leave that one person to go. Get yourself together again. Find another person help. If they don't appreciate continue helping. One day you'll find somebody who will appreciate and maybe that person will lead you to another bigger step. Ya man. So quick one. So are you still you're still doing dance alright? Yes I'm doing dance. Are you still going to do collaborations? Are you going to do some of your gangiton sort of? I don't want to specify like gangiton. I can do music with any other even if it's upcoming or well established artist from Kenya but they have to have the same mentality with I have. Because what we are doing today determines our future. Ya you understand? So if I'm doing a song with you so that we can we can shape our industry for tomorrow so that after 10 years I don't think I'll be doing music. Ya understand or 20 years from today I won't be doing music but I want to look at my music videos when I'm done with music and feel proud. Not she like ashamed of whatever like I walk into a place and my music plays and I look for a place to hide. Ya you understand? Ya you understand? So I want to do music that is educational music music that can inspire someone music that can talk to someone even after today. Ya you understand? Not music like I do today and then after 10 years my kids are old they were like dad what were you thinking? Ya you understand? Ya you see like other people I've seen when I was backstage there I saw you talk about that girl called Shakila whatever she's doing right now she might think she's chasing the fame but this thing will haunt her future because she will have kids one day she will be a mother one day she will want to be married and no one wants to be associated with such kind of people Ya man so I totally feel you Ya you understand? and she even mentioned me and I've never met her in my life like physically like we've talked like you What did she say about you? That is interesting I was among the list Ya she mentioned where was the second person or the third person and it was a crazy man So have you guys ever met or did you know her before then? I only like I saw her twice I saw her in my studio but not inside the studio outside the compound Ya understand so Where did you feel the need to say? I think she was just looking for clout Ya and you know clout comes and goes but internet does not forget we still have life True how did you handle it? I mean when you had that because I mean your family money Of course my family talked asked me about it and I told them you know they believe whatever I said so I told them the side of the story I showed them the receipts and I even reported the matter actually I don't want to talk about it because it's in a place in a police station I think they're going to follow up the case they've been tracing and tracking her down but she's been a bit Slippery Slippery and also I've not been pursuing that matter much because I've been busy doing other things Ya Ya man that's how life is I think what I'm telling the youth of today before you even do anything think about your life in like 10 years, 15 years, 20 years think about yourself first before you start doing crazy things today Ya man because your future will have you it's going to be your judge if you have 50 bob today one person goes and buys liquor and one person buys a seedling of a tree and you plant a tree you wouldn't enjoy it today and then the other guy drinks the liquor of 50 shillings after 10 years we'll have something where's the seed? who planted the seed? exactly I feel like I should be answering you have so much knowledge and I wish people could listen to you so you see it's 50 bob you got it at the same time but you didn't enjoy it today you felt like you wasted your money buying a seedling of a tree and the other guy bought a tree ya man are you mentoring any young people apart from this one what do you do for CSR? I don't do CSR because I've not taken time to do that because it takes a lot of time and dedication what I do I help other people wherever I feel like I can help somebody just give him a helping hand he can change his life maybe ya man sometimes I do do you like give money? asking for ourselves ok it depends what kind of money you want ok there are two things if you want money I'll ask it for ourselves if you're looking for money to go buy a drink I can't buy you that but if you're looking for fare to go for a job interview and you're stuck I can't send you that money ya understand but now what if I haven't had a drink for a while man and you know I'm chilling at home and you know it's coronavirus season and you know it just can't where to? I tell you you know what I'm bored here you bored ok let's have a drink let's have a drink alright please we'll be waiting for that kairji thank you so much for coming to the studio I know there are so many people who want to follow you you don't want to check you out on YouTube and stuff I know ya time see pausana especially with these kafia and stuff ya I'm hungry I wanna go eat and then I'll go do my own things so we can what are you ok I'll talk to you after this we're gonna look up tomorrow I'm gonna come for your event absolutely guys I like that Buck and chill is tomorrow starting from midday all the way to to 9pm at the carnival grounds ya man he'll be the DJ I'll be the DJ amongst other DJs and Kairji who's gonna be there dancer ya man to achieve my both left just don't try the Jerusalem a challenge I beg you please please I will try what are your social media kairji they don't wait you tried and truck come with me suria bahati yo na sasa see me say matusfanyu challenge sasa me ni kasa merakfanyu sawa bahati did you say bahati so go ahead give us your social media ya you can follow me on Instagram Facebook Twitter Snapchat at kairji they don on YouTube kairji they don TV ya man Tik Tok ya man Tik Tok kairji they don no Tinder no there that was oh my God I have so much if you see anyone on Tinder that's a fake man don't follow that Tinder you're gonna be robbed you know this is Nairobi you'll be welcome that is so funny but kairji thank you so much for joining us you're so much fun to be with and you're pretty wise and I hope young people can listen to you and get some you know knowledge from you you seem pretty experienced you've been there done that may I always tell people have been there done that ya man so keep helping out we're about to play more of your music kali which is the actually by kairji they don't feature great song that's not the new song actually I wanna clarify that that's not a new song I did this project like 3 years ago what but the music was not in my page we had a different page I posted the music on fast cash music page so what we did I wanted all my content to be on the same page so I deleted the other the other the original and then I brought it on this other side that's why even the quality is not up the standards of kairji if you notice it's up to 1080 ya man but my music is on 4k so I'm gonna try and maybe if in the future if I get it I'm gonna post it again ya man it's not a new song the new song I have is kairji Gidem and Aroboy and I'm gonna be dropping another new song soon very soon please come drop it here we'll be more than we'll see you again so you're gonna be playing that in a few and then you're gonna go for Tano Kali which is the 5 trending songs of the week this week we'll be working we'll be working we'll be busy we'll be trending songs of the week and he's gonna be playing that in a few otherwise kairji before you leave ya man somebody just says I ask you what tribe are you okay first of all I speak very many different languages but my real tribe my mum is Indian my dad is Kikui so choose for yourself I don't know which I am why did I own you man I always thought you were Meru but I understand Meru but then you were too anyway we'll be kata absolutely ya man and we'll be singing in tomorrow's park and chill thank you so much when you're releasing the new song please come come back here you're more than welcome why turn at Tano Kali we love you so much and thank you go DJ Miltan I think because of time I'm gonna be dropping the Tano Kali because we have only 8 minutes 8 minutes imagine this is our studio just play kairji and then we do that other one thank you