 You're welcome back to the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. It's now time for Off The Press and we've invited the publisher of the podium media Mr. Adim Walaqim Walaq. Good morning. Thank you for joining us. All right, let's start with the stories on the Nigerian Tribune. The headline Ohanezi, ACF, Affinifera Groups, reacts as FG arrests arranged Kano. How he was arrested, according to Malami, and Kano explains why he ran away. Above the headline on the Nigerian Tribune, send bill on restructuring to National Assembly Affinifera Tales Buhari. Ogun will experience flooding between July and September. Government alerts residents. Macking Day SAC's chief of staff, 17 commissioners. We will borrow to fund 20% stake in Dangote's refinery. That's according to the NNPC. Federal government extends NIN SIM linkage deadline to July 26. Super TV CEO murder. Police yet to contact us on Chidinma. That's according to Unilag. Three killed, 10 injured, as gunmen in police uniforms attack for your community. Traditional ruler says, my people living in fear. Kaduna crisis. Our strike this time will be total. That's according to NNPC. Says latest threats by LRFI is provocative. And those are the stories on the Nigerian Tribune. All right, the Daily Sun. The big one here says how Interpol nabbed IPOB leader in Europe. We intercepted and brought him back with foreign collaboration, says Malami. Court romance him in DSS custody adjourns trial to July 26. I fled Nigeria to save my life, says Namdikanu. And, of course, Mbazuli K saying government must be cautious. Property seizure. The Kurocha begs court to set aside emo panel decisions. Reps to pass supplementary budget. PIB, Electoral Act amendment in two weeks. And mass defection hits PDP in Senate. Zamfara governor's lawmaker's dump party. Sunwo Lu launches Jiggy Bola free site program for 250,000 residents. Affinifera is in the news this morning saying restructure Nigeria now to avoid civil war. Mobilize fake core members. Face sanctions. NYSE warns, vassities and orders. And also PDP governors and others who decamp to APC lack conscience. Says Yasom Wike. And moving on to the next newspaper, the daily independence. CSOs, lawyers, others urge speedy and fair trial of Kanu. Ask federal government to stop pampering bandits, terrorists. Why I escaped from Nigeria IPOB leader. Court romance him in DSS facility adjourns trial to July 26, 27. And Malami explains how the arrested Kanu. Secundus links PDP governor's defection to intimidation. Party reps kick as two lawmaker's defect. Zamfara senator resigns from PDP. NNPC explains 20% stake in dangote refinery. 14 years after Senate may pass PIB tomorrow, reps in two weeks. Ex-South African president Zuma sentenced to 15 months in jail. CVR, INEC receives 42,211 online applications within 24 hours. Ocean budget to interface with UN on food security for Nigerians. And lastly on the daily independence, Bounie declares Matawale leader of Zamfara APC dissolves state ESCO. Right now on the punch news whippers, EFCC fraud cases, 1,000 others to start afresh. Five of my cases will start afresh, says EFCC council. George handling 2006 case afresh promoted. Also this morning, electricity subsidy gobs 30 billion Naira per month, says the federal government. Petrol should be more than 280 Naira per litre, says Kiari. And also Nandikandu's arrest, ACF demands caution. Archbishop alleges woman trapped IPOB leader. INEC receives 42,211 online applications within 24 hours of CVR. And NYSE threatens sanctions as Jamber ledges fake mobilization certificates. Matawale emerges Zamfara APC leader. Senators, reps and others defect. And we can also see here federal government team NARD in 3R meeting to avert Dr. Strike. NLC rebukes AirRefy plans total industrial action in Kaduna. And we can also see 24 Ogun communities get a fiction notice over impending flooding. I think I'll stop there on the punch news whippers this morning. And lastly we have the Guardian. This belief, shock, trail IPOB leaders arrest, rearrangement. Matawale finally joins APC, federal government's $4 billion stake in Dangotir refinery. Senate passes PIB tomorrow, but Bia Mila promises in two weeks. Nigerians task judiciary to emulate South Africa as Zuma goes to jail. Maki and Asak's commissioners other aides. And lastly on the Guardian, Sonwaru launches Jigibola free site program for 250,000 residents. Ms. Akinbola welcome again. All right, there's been lots of reactions from different quarters on the arrest of Namdi Kanu and with people urging for fair trial in this matter. What's your perspective about the COVID nature of the arrest, the extradition, and the trial to commence July 26th? Okay, thank you. First of all, I mean a very simple clarification. Kanu was not extradited, he was rented. And there are two different things. Rendition is different from extradition. Extradition is when you go through the complicated legal process to get someone that I said then brought back to the country. Rendition is when bypass all of that through the collaborative factor. This is what the federal government has done. And having said that, I want to believe that the president is trying to put into action some of the very strong words he used last time. He granted an interview to arrest him. He said he would be dealing with them in the language that they understand. I believe that Kanu has arrested, brought back to serve as a scapegoat, serve as a teacher. Now there are so many perspectives. Security, why hasn't government arrested other people? And I really want us to go back to law. He's been charged with trust in the felony and other charges, I mean. And what does law see? What has Kanu done? Kanu has constantly mobilized the people against government. He's spoken words. He's published at peace. He doesn't do anything to incite the people. Now you want to ask what about, I should worry, what about Sunday, what about even at 25 a day, okay? When you keep saying the structure of the world, that is incitement. And I said the last speaker, the rule of law has both done in Nigeria. Personally, Kanu decides to go on trial, okay? He shouldn't have jumped in. And I think Senator Amadebe will be the happiest man today, okay? So, I haven't said that why are other people not being arrested. Kanu has a case with law in 2016. And I totally support cause that is usually a joint speeding and fair trial. Because the way Kanu's trial goes, which is only so many things, especially the threats that have been caused from Puanese and other regional groups. Everybody's watching how it goes. We go along in determining how all that is going to happen. Now, Legos is going to host people, I think on July 4th, I will be surprised if he's not arrested. Because right now, the government seems ready to crack down on all those who are calling for structuring. But that's not the way to go about it. That's cause we got to know. If we don't allow people to set us in scope only, then they will go into the inheritances of their homes and each with threats. My own concern is that at each stage of this, the rule of law must be respected, rule of law must be allowed to be fair, okay? So, I correct in so many groups, so many I mentioned yesterday that government is just trying to put it in. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think Kanu deserves to go on trial. But like I said, let us be fair to him, let us be fair to him. He deserves to go on trial. Other people, as soon as they cross the line, they should also be made to physical. We can achieve our education for structuring without destruction. That incites me. Without treason and actions, this can be achieved. And the only instrument that we have is law. Is law is only legal approach. But any amount I give is sexual. Any amount I give is treason. I think we need to get that clear. Anybody who is calling for the country to be, to, to, to, to, to, um, disagree, calling on people to go in arms if it's coming, is practically legal control itself, myself. So let's put that in perspective. Kanu deserves to go on trial. What I'm not going to try is what everybody's watching. The whole world is watching, not just Nigerians, okay? Because in the past one month, South East has been on a serious attack. And you can be sure that some of the cameras, as I said, these are times you escalate. So it's very important that government is a fair trial in the interest of justice. All right. That's my view. All right. Hopefully we might touch on this a lot later. But let's go to the continuous voter registration. Inex has received more than 40,000 entries online applications since CVR has started. You know, is this a sign that there's more and more Nigerians wanting to be part of the electoral process? And, you know, will we be able to achieve, you know, higher registered voters and higher voting numbers in the next elections? Yes, definitely. It's a sign of good things to come. What I do sincerely, I like Australia and its capacity to handle things. If you look at the trend in previous elections, we've not been achieving decent figures. Okay? When you look at the 2000-year-old vote cast in 2015 election, in the election, it doesn't have 100% or 2000% of the voting population. So yes, it's, I mean, it's a good thing. I'm not quite sure interest, but I like my strength in this capacity. I like my commitment to a transparent process. Okay? In all of these, you don't want to get to the police station and I don't find your name on the register. You don't want to age. I mean, your name should not appear in different voting units and stuff like that. So I like to vote some in other people. I've always been interested in voting, but at the end of the day, and one of the elections is that they didn't have to do everything to get the voting card because they know that some of the state governments would tie into so many things. So there's a difference between people going to register and people actually coming on to vote. That's just different things. A lot of people add their voters register, I mean, their voters card. They don't vote. They vote only simply because they need some to form voting where you see produce of the card. So a lot of mobilization needs to take a look. It's not just enough to register. You need to come out of that and vote. All right. The signing of the electoral act amendment bill also. Is it important that we, you know, continue to have that conversation because it wasn't signed in 2019 because of how close it was to the elections, but this is two years after. It's still not signed. Politicians know what they're doing and I hope it's surprising that it's not signed even before the next election. One way or the other, they will bring obstacles. Everything that tries to achieve transparency and property in the area never gets done. In most cases, it ends up not being done. Look at the Petroleum Industry Bill. After 14 years, we've just been told that it needs to be signed by the Senate. Anything that attempts to make things fair in which it will. It never gets done. 14 years, a long time. Okay. So I won't be surprised if the electoral act is also not fully signed by the time it goes to the next election because there are some aspects of electoral act that will help us, that will help the electoral process to ensure that things are done in a more transparent manner. Okay. So I won't be surprised if it's not signed by the time it gets signed. All of these things, there are elements of capability. Everything has to be opened as a bit transparent. People must reflect it after the election, which has never been. It's never been in Nigeria. All right. So people are here. Okay. So I'm talking about politics. There seems to be a wave of affections from the opposition party PDP to the All Progressives Congress. We saw that with Ben Ayade with David Umahi and with Billum Matawale yesterday. And on the Daily Independent Newspaper, some headlines say Bonita Klaes Matawale, leader of Zamfara, APC, the state escows. And Secondus has linked this PDP's governor's affection to intimidation. Do you think that's what it is that they're intimidated? I don't think they are being intimidated by anybody. They are just taking position ahead of the election. And of course, people believe that if you're an APC, the ESC may not come after you. No. The governors don't know what they do. They know the shady deal that they're targeting with him. But the question you want to ask is what's different between PDP and APC? It's not different. It's not different between the two parties. So anybody moving from one party to another, they are doing that in search of power. In search of power. As Awalye knows that the way things are going, PDP is being currently dissipated. And in 2020, PDP will not be struggling to stop any system, unless the students decide that they're not APC, which you would expect in the country where people have been succeeded. There's no reason why the APC got mentioned here related and they said that on most of the state. But then the question is, is PDP a better alternative? Yes, there's an answer there. So yes, there will still be modifications, but I think if there's an intimidation, the governors want to intimidate themselves. They want to get rid of what's happening when it leaves. They want to try to position themselves for relevant positions in the APC ahead of 2020. Okay. And then on the Pontius morning, two of the stories there's talking electricity and petrol. It says on the top of the screen, electricity subsidy gulps 30 billion nair per month, says the federal government. And Melikeari is saying petrol should be more than 280 nair per litre. It kind of sounds like testing the waters for a likely increment of both electricity tariffs and petrol price once again. How likely is this? And do you think the Nigerian government would consider the fact that a lot of Nigerians can't afford higher electricity price tariffs rather than petrol? Yeah. I mean, the general regulation of the power sector, which was about to happen, it's one of the biggest frauds in Nigeria because 56 years down the line, change or rather change for the worse. Because what we simply did was all to Nepal and hand over the constituent unit to friends and cronies, people who have no opportunities, who have no capacity to do the job they have to do. And that's what we are aware of. So 30 billion is a lot of money. And what that means that there's so much inefficiency in the system. So people are not Nigerian gas supply, people are not paying their bills. I mean, it begs us to believe and you can't kill it and put it at least this. So yes, most likely we may witness an increased electricity. And also it goes for Australia, who's always said it until we start processing and growing ourselves until we're able to reduce the cost of processing because of imposition. We don't have any control over the price. Okay. If the exchange rate goes up, it's going to affect the cost of processing because of bringing a refined problem back to the country. Yes. That's why we are all eager to wait for time to determine how to start. But that's not going to solve our problem in finance. It's going to take time. So between now and end of the year, let's press up. But this is simple economics. I do not know for how long government will carry this 30 billion on this earth today. I do not know for how long government will keep telling us that we're not paying fair price gas for how long. And with an economy that is 9% straight, that's not really doing too well. Government has gone pouring to fund critical infrastructure budgets. So I see something happening before the end of the year. It's going to have a current. So that's why I understand the current to be able to do the right thing. First of all, cut off, scale down a lot of inefficiencies. Okay. Preference modeling, which is a big problem. I do not believe that engineers are consuming the amount of refineries into those. Government claims that they're consuming a lot of goods to people in countries. We don't know anything about that. Okay. So if consumption increases, absolute consumption, because it keeps increasing, there are so many governments that can keep you focused at the current levels. Talking about that Dango Terry, talking about that Dango Terry refinery, Millie Kerry mentioned yesterday that he's been talking about how the government plans to fund the investment in NNPC. And the story here is on the Daily Independent. He says NNPC explains 20% stake in Dango Terry refinery. And they say that they're in talks with banks because they feel that the Dango Terry refinery is very profitable and that they're going to borrow money from banks to fund that. What do you think about this? Is this the right move? It is. It is. It is because Dango Terry refinery is a private initiative set up to make profits. It's not going to be around business settlements. So NNPC needs to have a stake there. Okay. I think they can't come up with cash. They don't have to money. So they can go to the bank to borrow on very reasonable terms. They leave it that they return from the investment who will be able to observe the loan. Dango Terry is an idea that has come at the right time. Okay. It's an idea. It's a project that NNPC needs critically. And it's a very smart move for NNPC to open the stake simply because if you don't do that, quarter of countries want to retire, pay a better price or refine their crew. And then go to the refinery with a user who can blow up space for you. It's a private sector initiative. And if NNPC has a stake there, it is meant that NNPC will have some preference in terms of crew processing and stuff like that. So yes, it's a good idea for them to follow. They will do. They will have done their arithmetic. They will put all the funds into prostration and it's a good deal for me. I think it's a good move. All right. Let's see. Something on the nation news papers this morning from South Africa now where it says that former president Jacob Zuma has been sentenced to 15 months in prison by the court. There's of course the discussions concerning the strength of institutions in South Africa. And of course, this is not a story that you would likely see in many African countries. So quickly react or respond to that. Is this meant to be something that a lot of other African countries should be able to look at and maybe take lessons from? Why should I wait for mentioning Nigeria? This is something that Nigeria should take a cue from. And I don't see this happening in Nigeria. It's not going to happen because if Nigeria was to be a nation where such things would happen, President Jonathan and President George they came by now including all of those who served in those governments because today they brought us where we are today. So yes, that is salute to a country where the laws are working fairly. Salute to a country where the institutions are independent. Salute to a country where people know that leaders must lead by symbols and when they falter and they have to face the law. Okay, so even if tomorrow he spends one month and he's pardoned, he's sent a very strong signal out to say, look, you can't just dispute as a leader. And I look forward to that day that a president will come in and say, look, we're going to prove this and if they are found guilty, they're going to be killed. Okay, so I look forward when we have that courage, when we have that wholeness, we will say, this month, we are going to jail. So Nigeria, we are 90 years away from that. Yeah, but is there... Just like what I said, party, party governments, arranging government, now we're running Nigeria. Yeah, but it also, you know, and it's once again on the conversation concerning the strength of institutions because there is a possibility that while he was president, he may have also played his... Try to weaken these institutions to protect himself. And that's a very similar picture with what we see here in Nigeria where the judiciary and the National Assembly seem to be working for the president or working for the president in Asorok. You hear statements from the army saying that they would defend the president instead of saying that they would defend the country and the allegiances to the president instead of to the country. And so how can we ever get to a place where these institutions understand that they exist for the country and not for a person? We need to put at the helm of affairs people of honor, people who have self-esteem, a lot of leaders in Nigeria do not have self-esteem. They know that most of them do not deserve their point and study after this. Okay, most of them believe that that point is due to political patronage. So the day we begin to approach competent people, people who want to track records or performance, put them in certain institutions. You all will know that these people, they are not malevolent, they can't be pushed around there now. And the process of strengthening decisions we've taken as well as we put into offices, men and women who lack integrity, who are not competent enough for the position that they have been entrusted upon them, they will always pander to the wishes of whoever has appointed them. And that is the easiest way to destroy institutions. Okay, you put someone there simply because it's a cousin of the president or it's an illiterate president, others will not respect him and a lot of things will go wrong. So it starts with opposing the right people who are qualified, who are competent, who have feasible records of impressive performance that the whole world can see. You might be putting Dr. Akun Adeshinath in any public office today. We all know that he has proved himself on the global stage. Comparing him with half of those who are sub-presidents cabinet today. Okay, most of them they are not representing their parties, they are not representing their state, they are not representing their Godfors. What kind of institutions can do what's wrong? They won't run any institutions. So yes, we are right, it is a function of having the right people managing those institutions. Institutions that exist on paper, the human element cannot be taken for granted because human beings are the ones that will be insured and lost and prevented that a standard of written procedures are followed to the letter. Okay, so when you have wrong defects in the right goals, that's what you get. It's not a certificate, it's only a perfect system, but to some extent the foundation that the apartheid government laid is difficult for the subsequent government to dismantle. Yeah, alright. Yeah, I'm sure you know it's where we might also mention the controversy concerning the nomination of Loretta Ono-Cher as an INE commissioner. But I want us to quickly, with the time that we have, also speak on something that I was saying earlier. Of course, the Nandi Kanu story once again, the way that the mechanism came together in order to get him arrested, we're not sure 100% how he was done. But does that also show that there is a huge possibility that a lot of these bandit leaders across the country shouldn't be so hard to pick up or to arrest or to find if the government was truly serious about finding them wherever they are? Absolutely, absolutely. I like that statement. It's kind of serious about finding them. Okay, and that's what people are saying. If you go to this extent to get Kanu arrested, then it shouldn't be difficult for you to arrest other people who probably have done worse things. Okay, I'm not so calm as directly, I can't type for anybody's tent, but a lot of bandit leaders or criminals have killed people. We need to do after them. So, yes, absolutely. Like Kanu, like Higu, anybody who steps out of, who oversteps the group and does a lot, should face the law. So, government should not be selective. It's okay. Kanu should come back and face trial, but other people too need to get arrested or I don't know about something that should be done because the justice must not only be done, it must be seen to us. Okay, Mr. Akimbala. Okay, on the Nigerian Tribune newspaper, there's a story about this Kaduna crisis. It says, according to the NLC, that their strike this time would be total. They actually put out a statement saying Kaduna workers are not slaves and that they have rights and Erufai then went on to, rather, they say that Erufai's threats is provocative, but NLC is insisting that they have a right to strike and that falls under their mandate. If we saw the level of shutdown in Kaduna state that we had a few weeks ago, they tried to negotiate, that didn't work, and NLC now is saying that this time around it would be total. What kind of impact do you think they might have in Kaduna and why exactly has the government failed to reinstate these workers allegedly sacked in their numbers? Remember we talked about this last week and I said there are Erufai's arrogance stance on this issue, we only prolong the crisis, okay. At the end of the day, the world seems to go back to the decision that we would discuss. As long as government believes that doing the right thing for workers is a favor who consider our problems like this, okay. If the strike goes ahead in the totality, as I promised, it's going to affect the economy of the state government, it's going to affect the situation, okay. It's going to affect even the way government business is done. So I find it difficult to understand what Erufai is trying to achieve with this. Yes, of course, government also not is saying to be weak, but I believe that in between government position and labor position lies the solution to this problem and the earlier the solution is found the better, okay. Because at the end of the day, the strike will go ahead, the economy of the state will be affected and these workers will still be paid, and what do you want to grant them now? You will stay eventually and stay to join us. So why don't you grant them? It seems bad enough here. All right, Mr Kimbola, thank you very much for joining us this morning on the breakfast. Have a great day. Thank you so much. Thank you. Love you. Okay, so we'll go on a break here and we'll return for today in history. Stay with us.