 Tonight we are debating CRT, prayer in schools, and communism, and we are starting right now. Joining everyone tonight, we have Osiga crossing swords with Taj bin John of Bars and Joysticks for your enjoyment. Unfortunately, James couldn't be here tonight. He's busy recording exclusive content for a soon-to-be, up and running only fans' accounts, so stay tuned for further details. First tonight we have Taj, and they have a five-minute opening scheduled, and then a 50-minute open dialogue, and then 30 minutes of audience Q&A. We also have Praise I Am that I am producing, so with that Taj, the floor is all yours for your opening statement. Thank you very much. Awesome. Hey guys, my name is Taj bin John. I'm with the YouTube channel called Bars and Joysticks. The Bars is for hip-hop, you know, like hip-hop bars, rapper bars, all that. The Joysticks is, you know, like video game joysticks, and pretty much I just handle the bar for bar section, so I just go bar for bar with people, have discussions about a myriad of topics. A lot of it's gone super political. Yeah, actually mega political, super political, just like this debate's going to be. Yeah, so pretty much my positions are as following CRT is kind of like a boogeyman term. The right for decades, it's before I was even born, before Osigai was born, before Taz and James and, you see the other guy named, before a lot of you guys watching were born. The right has been using just kind of like boogeyman terms and boogeyman dialogues, boogeyman stories. So it used to be Sharia law. It used to be the dangers of integration. It used to be Muslims taking over the country, the gay agenda, the trans agenda, trans people inside the bathroom in the locker room. So this main current one right now is CRT, critical race theory, because it sounds scary, ooh, critical, ooh, theory, ooh, race. So pretty much critical race theory is just the examination of how laws impact people based on certain demographics, like racial demographics. But it doesn't mean that all white people are evil. It doesn't mean that all black people are bad. It doesn't mean any of that. People like Robin D'Angelo get cited and Abraham X. Kendi gets cited a lot. Neither one of them are explicitly critical race theorists. It's pretty much just an examination of race and its relationship with positioning and power and society. All right, so CRT, all right, my stance on it, complete, right? All right, so we're also going to talk about prayer in schools, Ron DeSantis' prayer in school law. If you guys don't know who Ron DeSantis is, very recently he's been beating Trump in polls among conservatives. A lot of people are, there's a lot of whispers going on that he used to be Trump's boy, but like now it looks like Trump's going to be his boy, because Ron DeSantis is like gaining in popularity among conservatives. He is the new darling. So his laws in Florida are pretty problematic, not even talking about the anti-protest law, but talking about things such as the prayer in school law, which gives kids about a minute or two minutes during the beginning of the day each day to have a moment of silence or a reflection or a prayer. And by itself, I think that's awesome. I think that's great. But his reasoning for passing it was obviously religiously motivated, and he obviously wanted Christian parent school. And this seems like something that's just going to be a baby step to that, which seems, oh, low volume, oh crap. All right, can you guys hear me better now? Moderators? I've got a couple of messages in the chat saying that we have low volume. Oh my God. Sounded good. Okay, okay. All right, well, where was I? Prayer in school. Yeah, so that's pretty much a baby step to furthering the, all right, so in the Constitution, there's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Having like Florida mandated parents and stuff in school is just like pretty unconstitutional. And as a Christian, I find problems with that. Because like when religions get linked with government and when they combine and join forces like that, it's not good for the religion that the government is quote unquote boosting it's not good for other religions that aren't associated with that with the religion that the government's boosting. It's just problematic all around. The anti communism bill is where Ron DeSantis kind of once like some sort of anti communism curriculum, because communism is kind of like also just like CRT the boogeyman word of the day. Most people who don't like communism can't tell me what communism or Marxism or socialism is, but they don't like it anyway because the red scary McCarthyism. Decades later after he died. Pretty much my stances are Ron DeSantis bad. Florida is tight for is a beautiful state we just need something better for it. And critical race theory school, like examining that only serves to help us as a country. Did I go over five minutes I'm sorry. No you didn't go five minutes can anybody hear me any better now. Okay, thank you. Okay. Hopefully the ace, I get the same kind of feedback in the chat. I don't think you went over five minutes that sounds that seems pretty good. I'm going to go ahead and just say to everybody that's watching live. I want to let you all know, especially if it's your first time here with us on modern day debate. All right, thank you. First off, I would like to thank this channel for having me. My name is Osega Kaku. I am a political commentator. I'm an influencer and businessman and a conservative. A while ago when I first, you know, started in business and I realized how badly you know the $15 minimum wage was and I read into things. And a lot of these occurrences and, in short, led me to working with President Trump and getting invited to the White House of certain initiatives I helped on. I worked with Trump with prison reform and urban revitalization mainly and I went on to work on his campaign. On my stance on CRT, I am against it, mainly because it is more left leaning. And also it goes against what Martin Luther King preached, which is to judge people by the content of their character, not by skin. Also next, if you talk about, like I say, the anti-communist laws, I don't see anything wrong with anti-communist laws. I mean, do you? If you look at it, that's why we left a monarchy of Great Britain and that's what started America today. I think that as far as what Governor DeSantis is doing, he's basically saying, don't fouchie California. Now COVID and, you know, the coronavirus is being used as an excuse to impose forceful laws and to eventually, I mean, maybe one day go into a form of like a militia law or something like we're seeing, like even with Sharia law in some areas of like, you know, Islamic nations. And as far as that, that's mainly the reason why I'm not against so-called anti-communist laws and against using COVID-19 as an excuse to impose many sanctions or procedures that let's say the left or liberals or even Democrats would like to do. And that's basically my stance on everything. I'm a conservative Christian conservative and an advocate for that. Okay, thank you so much. And with that, let's go ahead and kick it into the 50 minute of open dialogue. Gentlemen, the floor is all yours. All right, you want to start off with CRT or the Ron DeSantis stuff first? I was thinking CRT. Let's go in order. Yeah. So CRT. So I have one second, guys. Do you guys want me to like break it into sections? Do you want me to like let you know in like 20, 10, 15 minutes to move it along? Okay, let's do that. All right. I'm going to start a timer. Go ahead. All right, so I got a question for you and it's Taj, correct? Taj, yep. All right, so you just stated that CRT is not what you call, it's not let's say prejudice towards white people, correct? Correct. All right. And if I was to prove that, would you admit that you were let's say wrong or what you said was not exactly true, correct? If I was wrong in my understanding of CRT, then I'm open to hearing it. I just don't believe that I am. Absolutely. And that it as a person that created the term CRT. Okay, so in the, according to a thesis by one of the orgists of CRT, it has the five components, my five major components of CRT. Are you familiar with that? No. Do you know who the writer that was? Yes. It was a thesis done by a Nicholas Daniel Hartzler, University of Wisconsin. Never heard of it. All right, so out of the fifth component, you know, it's the, it's the notion that whites have actually been recipients of civil rights legislation. That's one of the main components to ocean critical race theory. Have been the recipients of civil rights legislation? Yes. I mean, I guess that makes sense. Okay, so then you would admit that CRT does teach prejudice towards whites people. No, it doesn't teach right. All right, so you said that white people received civil rights legislation, right, like the recipients of it in some way. Yes, that's one of the components. Okay, yeah, it doesn't mean that they're prejudiced. Why not as far as if you look at what as far as will be like taught in schools, as far as let's say white privilege or they've been the recipients of many benefits throughout US history, or like legislation wouldn't that make a prejudice towards white people and teaching, let's say white youth, that they're, let's say that their ancestors or where they've gotten is where they've gotten to today is not because of let's say hard work or their own doing is because of their privilege. No, acknowledging generational things like generational wealth and things like white privilege doesn't mean that hard work wasn't involved at all. Like you can have white privilege and generational wealth and still end up poor by your 30s, you know, that's not, that doesn't mean those things don't aren't exclusion, aren't exclusionary to one another. This is what I'm saying. Okay, do you think it will be a bias that white people receive white privilege. No, a bias like as in critical race theory is is would be more of a a bias course because in the name theory, theory is opinion. And if you look at it, most teachers are left leaning, especially in public schools which most of the youth goes to. Most, most teachers are Democrats. Now it's mainly the Democrats putting pushing critical race theory. Right, I would agree that's more Democrats pushing critical race theory, the right kind of adopted sort of like fear and made it a boogeyman term, like their people like, yeah, they're sorry. I personally wouldn't say that it was adopted I think it was, we caught, you know, the left China push indoctrination in public schools. You know, similar to what you see on college campuses and college classrooms, even with theory that's like more like a college course of opinion. You know, what I would say, you know, since almost upwards of almost 50%, a heavy majority of teachers being Democrat. They have a lot of discretion in what they teach and critical race theory would be one of them even pushing that further for them to teach you know, let's say Republican bad Democrats good, you know, because me personally I went to these schools and that's how we were raised even long before anything like critical race theory, or a lot of what we're facing today was even at the service. Um, just to push back against the the bias thing you said earlier. I don't know outside of a course outside of a mathematics course if if there's a course that kids go to that doesn't have a bias. Well, a curriculum fights bias. But so you can you can argue with that but critical race theory. It's in the name theory, theory is an opinion. So there, boom, there it is right there you know as far as you know theory. And then when it comes to topics on race. If you look at it, race and theory by dictionary. It sounds like racism and just in the name, you know, um, not necessarily there are a lot of theories I get taught in schools I can't even name all of them. Like when I think of theory I think like theory of relativity, but I feel like there are other theories involved like, and also public schools, I went to public school my pretty much my entire, my entire life. I went to kindergarten and pre K and stuff. And I've never heard a term critical race until well in the college. Yeah, that's the college thing so I think that what you know is happening now is that they're bringing more of these like you know teachings and rhetoric and let's say theory into public schools to teach more you know kids and basically, as a, I see it as more of like a partisan tool to raise more Democrats in the future. I mean, I don't even know there's a partisan tool to raise Democrats, because like the school system is period. I mean, you can have that opinion I don't necessarily think that's true I've had plenty of conservative teachers like I remember senior year and this is anecdotal this point I remember having conservative teachers like I was a libertarian in high school because I had a conservative economics teacher. Yeah, like it's not schools aren't designed to like raise someone to the left or to the right. I would not posit that. Well, I'm saying they're they're being more and more designed to do that today. And I would say to say that so. Like what type of curriculums and what type of lesson plans for public schools like before college. Oh, I wouldn't say it's specifically in the curriculum I'm saying that they're moving it more and more into the curriculum. I would say it's by the more of the opinion or imp imp implying of like what teachers do. For example, if you look at even recent articles and ed weekly dot org, they did a survey on where teachers lean politically. And it's showing, it's very clear I mean, I don't even need to show you surveys. 41% of respondents describe themselves as Democrats while another 30% are independence, which independence I mean it just depends on the state whether they're right left leaning so. And then just 27% where Republicans, you know, so if you compare that 41% plus maybe a little bit of that 30, that's an overwhelming majority of teachers that are Democrats. And also, since public school is, you know, government funded, and it's more it's a it's a form of socialism. I'm not going to lie. They're more likely to jump on the team of big brother, because that's what signs their paychecks, which is actually socialism in a sense, depending on the government, let's say for a job they determine how much you make, how much what you can do, like what your work is worth, you know, and it's forces people the taxpayers to pay you whether you do your job correctly or not. I don't necessarily agree with that. Just because teachers lean, like, in mass, like, not in mass, but like the majority of teachers lean more left apparently and more in Democrat doesn't mean they're going to indoctrinate kids into the Democratic Party. Like kids can think of themselves, and they certainly can't vote until they're pretty much out of public school anyway. Yeah. So why not raise them. People turn 18 every day. Why not raise them to automatically be a voting block of the 18 years on the 18th birthday. They're thinking of, you know, oh, I'm just going to be a Democrat, you know, that's what my teachers taught me that's what I was taught in school. Now to say, I personally think that to say that teachers do not give you a hint on where to lean left or right. That's a little bit fallacious because me I went to public schools myself, and my teachers were heavily Democratic and they would leave a lot of clear hints on who to you know who to vote for how to think. And, you know, shutting down, you know, let's say conservative arguments or conservative points, or a point that was different from theirs, even still to this day. A lot of conservative points are wrong, though. So like I kind of understand why I teach you would shut that down to try to teach the truth to kids. How so, you know, it's a matter of viewpoint. I think that people should use that as like, you know, part of their education is to decide which side they agree with more. And so, you know, look at both sides of the story. That type of rhetoric from a teacher to say that it's wrong. That's merely their opinion, which is bias, you know, and every class has bias except for math. Oh, well, absolutely. That's, that's great as far as that but as far as you know the curriculum is what kind of, you know, is a barrier between the bias, you know, the curriculum. Now, the curriculum. Right. So what are your thoughts on, what are your thoughts on a curriculum that teaches that one political ideology is evil and from China and is anti-American. You said a curriculum. Yeah. Which curriculum is that? Wanda Santas' education, but that's what, dang it. We'll start off on CRT. I know that's going down. Come on, come on, come on. That's not a curriculum. He literally wants to make it a class. It's a curriculum. Now, if he wants to make it a class, are you sure those were the exact, that's where the exact official proposals? He said in civics classes that he wants to teach kids, he talked, he talked about China a bunch. He's like China, China, China, communist China, communist China. But it's like a 40-minute long press conference. He talks about making it a class or making a bill to make that a class in the future and in the near future. And that leads to anti-communism. Wasn't the communist party abolished? In the U.S., it's outlawed. What? 1940, 1954. Anti-communist act. I did not know about that, about the U.S. communist party being abolished. That sounds pretty scary that the U.S. is going to make an abolished party. But you're saying that the U.S. government abolished a party. Yeah. Because it didn't include that party. That sounds like anti-communist. Man, were you for that? That sounds like communist. Yeah. That's mainly the reason why we left monarchy. Communism's not monarchy. Do you know what communism is before we go further? Oh, yeah. In my opinion, really, it's like capitalism. There's no socialism without capitalism. And then socialism eventually leads to communism. But as far as that, before it gets to that, like even the U.S.R., they had to dissolve before, I mean, it really got there. They dissolved as far as that, as far as, let's say, disagreements and whatnot. But let's go back to, let's say, curriculum. The U.S.S.R. wasn't necessarily communism. We've never seen communism in modern history. Communism is like a classless, moneyless, stateless society. How does that work? Human beings, we don't even operate that way naturally. Oh, no. I'm not pro-communism. I'm just anti-curriculum against communism. Well, I understand, you know, as far as that, like, of course, I don't agree, let's say, with everything. Nobody agrees with everything, their party or where they lean with 100%. Yeah, the Democrats are not communists, though. There's not a single Democrat that's communist. Okay. All right. It just sounded like you did. Sorry about that. I misunderstood. I didn't say that. So as far as, let's say, I believe CRT, it just goes against what Martin Luther King, you know, preached. I don't think he would have wanted that because you're supposed to judge people on the concept of their character, not by skin. CRT has a key component in it to make, you know, create a white guilt, you know, and to create, I would say, more division. It's not judging people if it creates white guilt within people. Repeat that? All right. So making, creating people, all right, creating feelings of white guilt within people that learn critical race theory does not mean that that's judging people. It just means, it literally just means that, like, that certain laws in, like, we have, like, a legal history of, like, different laws affecting different people and certain laws being championed because they affect other people. It examines, like, race and its relationship to, like, positioning and power in society through, like, a legal perspective. Okay. Well, as far as that, I mean, all that, you know, all that. Yeah, so it's, I feel like MLK, I feel like ML, I know, I know, like, a lot of conservatives say that MLK was a Republican, and he was. Yeah, he was a registered Republican, lived and died that way. But MLK was a socialist and MLK would agree with me that MLK, that CRT is pretty tight. How so? It exists. All right, so we can't fix problems as a society without recognizing problems as a society. Unless we're just like, yeah, well, I mean, every, every broken clock's right, you know, like, twice in a day, right? No, we do. We have many amendments, of course, against slavery, many amendments that give, you know, because we recognize the problem in society. Yes. Yeah. So CRT helps people examine the law in a way that helps recognize problems in society. Like? All right, so the black and white wealth disparity, wealth is something that's like, it takes generations to build it a lot of the time. For the majority of Americans that are wealthy, it takes generations to build. And it's lost by the third generation. There's what? It's usually lost by the third generation. Oh, that sucks. Third generation. In any, in any case. In totality? I don't know about in totality. I know a lot of people, well, third generation would be grandkids. So if you, if you want to say, like, let's say, you want to, let's say you make their own. But you're not denying that it was built. You're not, that's not a denial that, that generational wealth does help people. Oh, yes. Yeah. So when, during the like 1950s and 60s, like GI bill that prohibited blacks from moving into wealthier neighborhoods, black veterans, by the way, people that fought for the United States Army for armed forces and everything, the military. The GI bill, you know, the GI bill, right, is right. It pretty much helps veterans, like new veterans, like, like, gentlemen, gentlemen. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt for real quick. It's 16 minutes into the debate right now. So it's about a third. So I just wanted to pause you guys for a second. I want to remind everybody watching live that our guests are linked in the description. So please, if you like what you're hearing, you can please check them out there. 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All right, so pretty much with Ron DeSantis prayer in school for people that aren't in the state of Florida. And the reason why we were talking about Ron DeSantis because he's like kind of like, he's a big up and comer in the Republican Party, like, might beat Trump in 2024 during the Republican primary. If Trump runs the governor, he's not an up and comer. Yeah, right, right, right. I mean, like, you're under your, you're, you're a top dog. He's a top dog. He's a governor. He's one, he's one of the big boys he's one of the main players in the Republican Party right now. Yeah, so pretty much about that he introduced the bill recently signed it in the law very recently I think in the past, what's in a month, actually I believe. And pretty much it gives kids like I think in all public schools all ages, about one or two minutes at the start of the day to either reflect, or to say a prayer, or just have a moment of silence. And on its face that sounds pretty awesome I think that mental health is really great. And that could be a cool step to mental health awareness, but that wasn't Ron DeSantis intentions with that bill. He even said in press conferences leading up to it, I think even the day he signed it. He said that we can't, he said things like we can't remove God from the lives of students. He said things like we need prayer back in school. So it's kind of called a prayer in school bill, even though it isn't explicitly prayer. That's kind of like Ron DeSantis intention. And I think that could be kind of toxic. Looking on to the future. Like as a Christian myself, like I, I think, I think praying school praying is a good thing to do is what everyone should do. Right. Like a moment of silence from like a secular standpoint is also awesome. And to reflect on stuff. Meditations. Awesome. It's good for your mental state. But when those things get used by the government, get used by people in power like the government stuff to push certain things like certain religions. That becomes an issue. Like a lot of Christians are for parents who right now, but if Ron DeSantis was like, say like a Jewish governor or a Muslim governor, he was like let's bring Allah back into campus baby. I feel like a lot of Christians would be mad at it, mad at it. And I feel like with a lot of Ron DeSantis's laws, that it laws are tools, laws are nothing but tools. It's like it's like a gun, like a sword, like a hammer. You can use those things to do good things and defend yourself and build things you can also use to kill other people. And a lot of times when he seems to get introduced, like, Oh, sorry, was I rambling. It's all good. Now, as far as that, I will call myself a semi source because I've actually met with Ron DeSantis and worked with people who work with them. As far as an intention, I go with facts over feelings, you know, it's a fact as you said that he put in a law that gives children time to reflect or prayer whatever their religion is or whatever they would like to do in that that started to begin their day, kind of like a routine. Um, even if you feel that his intentions were somehow different from what it turned out to be, the fact I'm I'm not, I'm not putting words into his mouth I'm literally just paraphrasing what you said. He literally said, you mentioned your feelings, right. You mentioned your feelings correct. And yeah, I guess I did probably. So, so, so you feel that into the future, or DeSantis meant to do something else, other than this law that allowed children to have to have a way to start out their day, a daily routine. So I think that, and as far as it's saying like let's say how we will feel if a Muslim governor came in and said bring Islam back into schools or whatnot. That time, they can use it however they like whether that child is Muslim, whether it's a Jew, Catholic, or any other Christian, you know, which is sounds pretty fair to me, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't sound a bias. Now, since Christianity is the more popular religion in this country, then of course, that would be, you know, to the forefront and we're well known, it doesn't mean that it's exclusively for people only to pray. So I think that's a pretty, that's a pretty good law, like, you know, I'm very, I'm very successful American I start out my day with prayer, I start out my day with reflection. I think that we should, you know, encourage the youth to learn how to have a daily routine and how they start their day. Okay, I take issue of a lot of things you just said. All right, man. So, all right, so let me remove my feelings from it. He factually he factually brought up Christianity during his speech. He factually meant it to be a prayer school bill. He marketed it as a prayer in school bill. All right. It's a fact that a government pushing one religion, like, whether it be like a governor or a mayor or a president pushing one religion as de facto above other religions, a government official doing that officially, like not off the clock I don't have time and church and stuff but like literally just like at at a governor's press conference. One religion that is unconstitutional. When we have a separation of of church and state. No, it's not a constitutional because he did not put into law that law or the prayer school bill is literally a law. Hey guys, can we try to limit the talking over each other. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah. That law it. Okay, I'm gonna just ask you I'm gonna let it come out of your mouth. So that law, did it prohibit any Islam prayer during that time. No, but the intention. Did it prohibit any Islam. You know, I mean, sorry, Jews from praying. No, but it didn't prohibit any spirituality or crystal worshipers, you know, from praying or doing yoga or whatever. No, as I'm saying the bill by itself. So how is it constitutional. Christian governor said, you know, marketed and it's marketing you do have to market a bill. But why did he market it like that. How will you think he's just going to leave that. You guys maybe want to switch to maybe two three minute intervals instead. All right, yeah. I was going to go to you to yeah. Yeah, sorry about that. Okay, you'll be in a second to you guys keep talking for a second. I'm going to set up another timer so I can keep track of this. Okay. Let's go ahead and let Osega have the first three minutes and go ahead. Go ahead on on the topic. Yes, or okay. The topics you want. So it's as far as it's just simple, simply simple. And what I heard from whichever law or bill that was is that children have a certain amount of time in the start of their day to either pray or do as they would like maybe a reflection or whatever they would like you know to start out their day. I do not see any ill intentions from that I see that as, you know, a time that you know a child can use to start his day from whatever their religion or belief is, and I don't see that as unconstitutional. Because in order to be unconstitutional, you have to prove it by saying, Okay, this was put into law, or this was, you know, even, let's say pushed into law, and that's not what Governor DeSantis did. Now, of course, marketing is a different story marketing. People will have to market things every day. And the art of marketing is to make to make it appeal to a certain, of course, crowd, which in America the most popular, most popular religion is Christianity. So of course, him as a Christian, he would say, Oh, yes, this is prayer in schools. And that's the popular, you know, nickname of, let's say said bill or law. Okay. You want to go ahead and respond to that Taj. Yes, you got we don't have to do the intervals if you guys don't want to it's just I'm just, I'm just talking there for a moment, but you know, it's up to you guys, I just don't want I want you guys to be have feel like you have the chance to respond and not be over talked to, you know, it's up to you. Right, right, right. And yeah, thank you for implementing that. I know as an over talker. I'm sorry. Anyway, either one of you is not doing it more than the other it's just, it's getting a little contentious. Yeah, so the prayer in school bill it, but once again by itself, that's completely fine. Like, maybe not called a prayer in school bill but like a moment of silence or reflection bill would would be better like just giving kids two minutes. At the start of the day, maybe even two minutes at the start of class just to just like reflect and chill out and meditate for a bit that that sounds completely fine. I hope that helps out a lot of kids mental health and helps them reflect and think of new and creative ideas and, and leads to them having a more success in school. I'm worried though growing up in the Bible belt growing up in in Florida. A lot of my public school teachers were openly Christian, like maybe a little bit too openly Christian. Do you ever think that teachers of either of Christianity or different religions or were atheists, or, or Wicca or whatever do you think that they might abuse the bill to, I don't know teach kids more about their personal religion. Oh, so the bill does the bill permit them to teach about their religion. Do you think it might open up the gateway to abuse it do you think that might be possible. No, you don't think that's possible at all. If it does then it would be it would be shut down immediately because that's true. It seems like critical race theory is doing. Would you. All right, would you. All right, would you be open to the building shut down immediately if a teacher abused the bill, save a teacher say you have a kid that goes to school in a Florida classroom. And then like, you come home and your and your kid has crystals. And they're like hey this Ruby will clear up the cancer and stuff like that to people and you're like what you learn all this and then like the teachers like during the prayer school bill like my teacher taught me how to pray with stones and stuff like would you be cool with that I as a prayer. I wouldn't be. I wouldn't even be okay if they came back and said my teacher was you know talking about Christianity. Maybe well why weren't you know your teacher talking about math or how to get you into college or improve your comprehension skills, you know, that's full of purpose. Do you think that there's even the slightest chances of being abused by even one or two teachers there's not there's no way that this is not going to get abused. Well, I mean humans are different every teacher is different of course, but of course, if you look at what the law says it does not give that opening, or let's say that that freedom for teachers to you know, quirk things or you know, tweak things the way that they will see such as even critical race theory which gives teachers that freedom, you know, because it's in the curriculum it's, and it's part of, you know, theory, you know, which college professors already do. Okay, well, another question is, do you think DeSantis will say if he stays governor for like the next like 10 years I don't even know if that's exactly I think there might be terminals on Florida Governors. I'd have to look that up, but say like he's governor for like the next 10 years right do you think he's going to leave this bill alone or do you think he might baby stuff to other things. You think he's going to leave this bill alone. Well, I leave this bill and I mean like not use the baby stuff to like actually pushing a religion in classrooms. No, we're not going to push, we're not going to push religion in classrooms the purpose of classrooms is to to learn. And now there's already classes that teach about different religions that's like world history and those type of classes which I was in myself in North Carolina. And that's where I learned even about let's say the auto Buddhism and all the other religions, you know, even even, you know, Islam I learned a little bit about what they believe. Yeah, but to say that we're going to push it upon you know people. No, that's not what let's say DeSantis is like, you know, thinking and I can tell you that I'm going to source myself I work you know in these sectors. Now, as far as that maybe to be honest I do really think that maybe you have this type of like hate for DeSantis like you're hating on him because maybe he's Republican or he just hurts your nerves which a lot of people, you know, he gets and they get in their feelings about DeSantis which I can understand if they're a raging Democrat or left-leaning. But besides that, I would say the next thing that a lot of us are working on, which included me, Lieutenant Governor in North Carolina, Mark Robinson, we had an idea where in order to get their high school diploma maybe we put in something where students have to pass a citizenship test for the US. And I know that would, you know, make you jump back because Republicans said it, but guess what that sounds like something China would do. No, because guess what, like a Chinese loyalty test to like students. No, no, no, no, it's not what he says, like, no, no, listen, listen, immigrants have to pass that test in order to become a citizen of the United States. And it's a kind of it's it's it's like a moderate to difficult test, but it's an increased difficulty because English is not many of their first languages. You know, so we only we're only saying you know that so like also makes people learn about America because the average American is not like you and me that follows these even follows laws or even follows like let's say legislature or politics. Well, wouldn't that be the point of like a, wouldn't that be the point of like a civics or like a 12 years. Let's let them finish that. I would say that that's that's part of it yeah that's part of civics and even even with civics and economics they're starting to take that away slowly like I think that since I was in high school I heard since I've been out of high school I heard they took out they took out social studies. I don't know if somebody can confirm that for me but that's what I've heard that there's no longer you know social studies classes well in North Carolina. And that they've replaced it with something you know North Carolina. But anyway, but anyway, it's just my point of that like if you're talking about that that may be the next step that you're talking about making students, being able to pass the citizenship test that immigrants have to take. I thought Democrats were you know pro immigrants so I don't think it should be a problem, you know, and it would educate a lot of people more on you know their country, making a more informed vote, or more informed voter. What's he got that sounds like it's a failure of public schools to teach things like history and civics, if they have to teach if they have to learn like. Because to my understanding what immigrants go through that class is just like a big civics class. So it teaches them things like how the government works like three branches of government and things like that. Yeah, kids should know that by the time they graduate high school that's a failure on us as a society. Let's let him finish his thought. Oh, we've done talking touch I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm pretty much okay. Let me just say before you interject. We just passed the 16 the second 16 minute mark. So we've got another 16 minutes before we go to Q&A. If anybody in the everybody listening in live and everybody in the chat. Remember if you have a question or comment for the debaters, please fire into live chat super chats do get priority. And we don't have a lot right now so get him in while you still have a chance. And don't forget our debaters are linked in the description. If you like what you're hearing. Or if you click their links right now, you can just open up another tab, and don't forget to subscribe and like this video, please do and once again the floor is all yours, gentlemen. All right. The next topic, do we change topics. I think we're either to communism is the last thing to talk about, but you don't have to. So, so the point of let's say that that proposal or that idea is that we already the civics and economics that we have in high school, or in different courses. You teach them well enough to be able to pass a test like that, sort of like how you have like the end of course tests and some like that or some variation of what's being asked of you know immigrants to know. So I don't think it's, it's a failure it's not a failure if the students are able to pass the test that means that they're being taught well, you know. Yeah, but when people don't. So it's sounding like you're you the idea that you and the lieutenant lieutenant governor of North Carolina were thinking about was just like another civics class that literally just sounds like civics. You know it's not another class is just a test or a test a course test. Because and then why not put some of that what whatever the immigrants are made to study and learn into the curriculum, I think it's it's fair. You know, why do we make, you know, immigrants have to pass that and natural born to the sense not have to do that that sounds a little bit like privilege American privilege don't you think. Yeah, like we as people that are born in the United States have privilege in front of immigrants yet. Absolutely American privilege so if you're let's say, one recognize privilege or recognize wrongs in our country. That's one of them, you know, it's not it's not just someone has privileges I mean it's like a wrong edge. I think what what what made you on edge is that they mentioned that Republicans proposed it, you know now if Democrats has said it. Maybe you would have been lightened up. And you've been happy like like oh I think that's a good idea but because me maybe me as a Republican or other Republicans and Ron and your your boyfriend slash worst enemy Ron DeSantis. Not it at it. It's your your kind of, you know biased or uneasy against it and that's your feelings over the fact. All right. So, do you understand what the point of privileges. What's the point of privilege. Yeah what's the point of understanding what privileges. No what's the point of privilege don't don't mix up my words what's the point of for. No yeah. Pretty much just like understanding just like societal advantages that people have because of the demographic that they are. Well yes. So back to my point. I just wanted to I just wanted to see if you understood that just because like you didn't understand what socialism or communism was so I just. You kind of like he kind of got the privilege thing. Well sarcastically so I just want to correct that I understand what socialism or communism was. Because when I asked you what communism was you brought up the USSR. And then I asked you to find you're like the USSR. And they failed. That's. Soviet Union. That was socialism. I didn't say they were communism socialist. I said socialism. It disbanded before I got that. Yeah. So that doesn't mean it doesn't lead to communism. Right. Right. So as I said USSR was socialist. Right. But they weren't. That's what I said. So so you were wrong on me saying that it was communism. All right. That before you run with it. What I worry that you might be wrong about is the definition of socialism. Can you tell me what the definition of socialism is. Well no because I'm not in love with it like you are. And I'm a capitalist in the US. Something is about being in love with it. I'm not in love with socialism. Yes. I'm not even I'm not even socialist. Gentlemen. But as far as if you want the definition or what not. It's the term in base of. Equal for everybody. People own the means of the production. So meaning to say that. If I start a company. And I hire people. And. The company starts growing or whatever we have to divide it equally. Even though I may have done. Let's say more work to start and took on the risk. It should be divided equally. Upon all my employees. Not entirely. It's like we're workers on the means of production. So they kind of have like bigger control so they can control their hours. So say like say like during the 1970s. You know like when like Nixon was president. And there was like a big outsourcing shift in places like Detroit. Where people that worked in like at Ford. And they were like. You know, I'm lost their jobs because Ford motor company was a production to places like Mexico and stuff because the labor is cheaper. If the workers owns their means of production. Then the workers can vote on what they do with the. With where the factory went. They're just. The production wasn't for sale. And they agreed to those terms when they, when they started working. Wait, what was the question again? Sorry. I'm not talking about the labor that I'm talking about. The labor that I'm talking about was like. Moting the means of production. It was never for sale. The agreement was you come work. We pay you. And in the, also in agreement. It does give them let's say the right to move or close the company. The employees are well aware of that. Employees today are well aware that they sign on that. Right. Yeah. That's not socialism though. So I'm saying if it was socialists. probably wouldn't happen because people, as a Detroit factor, be like, wait, you're gonna move the production facility to Mexico for cheaper labor? No, they would just say things like no to that. There's not saying that there aren't problems with socialism. I'm not socialist. I'm a social democrat, which just means I'm capitalist, but I just want like a heavier regulations on capitalism. They're already pretty heavy now. They're taxing my company 46%. That's pretty heavy. If you're giving 46% of what you made, that's pretty heavy. How heavy or do you want it to be? Regulations doesn't mean taxing either. It means making certain things like unlawful. So it says certain environmental taxes to regulation. The government. It taxes you pay to the government. That doesn't mean that, that doesn't mean, all right, so regulation is an exclusively taxing note. It's gonna make certain things illegal. Is what I'm saying, like there's like a different, and also incentivize some things as well. Like regulation is kind of like a broad term where you can do a lot of things with regulation. Well, anyways, as far as that, you're saying that you want more regulation on capitalism. It's already very, it's already a lot of regulation. It's a lot of ways that your hand is tied. Just starting a business in general, or owning a business. There's so many regulations that we go through. I don't know how much regulation there can be until the point of you have to disband the business or let go of employees, which I think that more regulation hurts the employee more than the employer. How so? Because they are taxing more. Cause one, of course, taxing. Two, if like, let's say the government, really it comes down to really the government almost owning the company. Cause they tell us, you know, what you can do. And it could be overly reasonable. It can actually not really overly reasonable. It could be just unreasonable, you know, as far as what they're asking or what the government wants you to do. But most of the regulation comes down to let's say taxes or fines. Yeah, I'm fine with fines. I'm fine with taxes. I'm fine with making certain things just illegal and unwaffle. That's completely fine. With the, I see you didn't make this point, but like I hear a lot of conservatives talk about, hey, if I didn't get taxes much, then like I can pay my employees more. In business, to my understanding that if you have an employee, then that's like an expense. That's something that you can write off when you do your taxes. Do you know what a write off is? Yeah, it means so you don't pay that in taxes because you spent that somewhere else. Not quite, because you still have to, with write off, a write off just means like, let's say you write off, let's say the sales tax or whatnot, you write that off. But you do spend it somewhere else. You have to prove that you spend it in somewhere else. Right, you can use that to prove it as you lied on it, that's fraud. Now, write off. So if you can actually save a company had the money for like two employees, they'd pot, they'd, all right, so they'd hire two employees so they don't have to drop that in taxes. They can write those two employees off. Yeah. Right, yeah, that's what I meant. So it's like, it doesn't really equate to me. Maybe you can bring some more information, shed some more light on this. But when people say, oh, if I wasn't taxed so hard, I can hire more employees, they're like, bro, you're writing those off anyway. Like those in tax laws. Yeah, when you write it off, when you write it off, it allows you to spend that money elsewhere because like one is like, let's say you put the money in a trust. Let's say you put that money in reserves. That's an expense, you know, like I personally write that off and use that to hire more employees, let's say the next year or so, which more employees allows me the opportunity to make more money. So I would, I would rather hire more people. I'd rather pay them more, you know? And me personally, I've used that, those quote unquote write offs. And as far as those, let's say tax benefits to hire more employees to where today I have around, you know, 40 employees in my own company. Okay. So there's your proof there. That's awesome. Maybe we cross wires at some point, but it sounded like you kind of made my point. So yeah, that's tight. But so your point was if with less taxes, we can hire more people. No, what I'm saying was that like the less taxes equals more people thing doesn't really seem to be real because you said that you literally used employees as tax write offs a little bit earlier. It's real. No, no, no, but repeat that. So repeat that. It said that, all right. So to my understanding, it sounds like you said that you used employees as tax write offs. So, okay. Yeah. We kind of repeat what you just said. A dumb hill to be on. Just repeat what you just said. Yeah. It's all right. To my understanding of what you said, it sounded like- No, no, you said. My, yeah. So I'm saying my understanding of what you said. You can correct me if my understanding of what you said is real. No, before that, bro. But what did I say? About less taxes means hiring more people, right? Yeah, no, that's a point that a lot of conservatives make. Yes. What I'm saying is that it's kind of like, not really, it's kind of a non-sequitur. I just told you my experiences. Yeah, so you would still get taxed if you didn't hire those people. So you hire those people just to, just take advantage of the write offs or not take advantage, but you probably needed those employees but you were able to write them off as expenses because they're employees. No, no, no, no. No, I hire employees to grow my business to make more profit by online. The tax incentives, they help a little bit. Less taxes would help tremendously to have to pay less in taxes. It would help us hire more people. More regulation and more taxes makes you have to let people go and hire less people. I've never seen- Expecting the economy. I've never really read any studies about that. And, yeah, I- I've never really read that. That less taxes will hire more people. You've never read that before? No, because you can use your employees either to make profit as well as write them off in your taxes. So taxes don't really eat up. Taxes don't seem to- Taxes to me don't seem to eat up like the budget that you have for employees because they're write offs. You can write them off as expenses. Do you know how much the tax rate is? It's around 46%. That's a huge chunk of change. Okay. So it's- And you can use- You can use like your employees so you can use your employees as tax write offs. All right, I hope you are because you can use them as employees. You're paying too much to tax them in. I do, but you know what I'm saying? That 46% is a big chunk of change to take 46% of your paycheck. I would love to examine the example that you're giving me now, but it sounds like it's something that's like kind of personal I can't really look at. Like I just have to take what you're saying. If you're investing money, I'd have to look at what you're saying face value. So I don't know if you mean like the company's profit or your personal profit. I don't know. I don't know. And tax money is kind of complicated. Company's profit and personal. If they tax your business, they tax your personal. It's basically, so do you think that you can do better with your money than the government can? Hmm, okay. Sometimes. How can you- How can you- How are you thinking about that, man? I can't invest in things like roads. All right. So I can't invest in things like roads. I can't invest in things like- You can't? Like I can't issue, what? I can invest in roads. That sounds like a really problematic thing. You can invest in road companies. Companies that build roads, construction companies. But the building of roads, I can't really- Yes, you can. If you invest in construction companies, you're investing in- I'd be investing in the company, not necessarily the road work itself. Who does the road work? Probably like the contracted companies. The company. All right, so what if the company that I invest in- What if the company that I invest in doesn't get the bid? So I just mean investing in the company, right? So if they don't get the bid, you invest in other companies, but they're getting a bid somewhere. Okay, so investing in companies- It's not just one road. necessarily equates investing in a road being built, man. So a construction company that builds roads, houses, buildings, you invest it in roads, roads. No, all right. So that, yeah, it sounds, all right. So me investing in it, all right. So me investing in a company like, say, RLH, that's like an urban construction company, an urban engineering company. I think they build roads to my understanding. Or maybe just- You said you can't invest in roads. How can't you invest in roads? But anyway- I'm a gentleman, I'm a gentleman, I'm a gentleman, I'm a gentleman. It's about the time there for our 50 minute open dialogue there. I wanna go ahead and let Taj just say a quick word and then I'm gonna let Osega have the final word because Taj had the first word. So Taj, you could just take a couple of seconds and say something real quick and then I'm gonna let Osega have the final word and then we're gonna move to Q and A. Okay, yeah, critical race theory is awesome because it teaches, it shows people like what problems are and maybe what the roots of those things are. And that leads us to figure out how to critically think because it's critical how to solve those issues and problems, all right? It doesn't necessarily lead to Marxism or Communism or anything like that. We didn't really touch on that. I just wanted to throw that in there. It doesn't lead into those things. And it's openly being used as a boogeyman term. Either a lot of conservatives won't define it correctly or they'll even like, people like, look up Chris Rufo, look up Chris Rufo, right wing influencer. He openly says that the right is like poisoning the term critical race theory to kind of poison drip it and make it look bad in the eyes of the audience. When people say things like Communism and things like Socialism and they can't define it, that's also another symptom of right wing poison dripping of terms where people can't even define something and they still hate it. Bro, that sound, that's poison dripping right there. Prayer in schools can be abused no matter like who says that. I know Osega earlier said that there's no way, no way that any teacher or anyone's gonna abuse that law ever. Let's just wait one or two years and we'll have a conclusion to that. Let's just wait two years and we'll have a conclusion to that one. As far as the anti-communism bills, I think a government listing out a political ideology as wrong in classrooms, like that's the answer to the test question that Communism is bad without critical thinking, without like examining certain things about it, that's problematic as heck. Like once again, laws and regulations are tools and people can use those tools to do good things or bad things. Right now I think Osega and a lot of the people in chat, the right wingers would agree that teaching kids that Communism is wrong is a good thing. But what if a left winger, someone that's like super far to left, more left than I am, we're a governor one day and they're like, all right, conservatism, let's teach that to be like as bad as not to use them or something like that. Like that would be an issue off of Ron DeSantis's law, right? Or like his, not predetermination, what's the right word? Legal precedent of teaching that a political ideology is bad. So yeah, like I'm completely fine with teaching kids how to critically think, not what to think. And that's probably my biggest issue with that. And Ron DeSantis sucks, he's a rat play loser. Okay, so that was about two minutes. Go ahead Osega and wrap it up with your final words. Oh, well, first things first, as far as that critical race theory goes against what Mark Luther King, Jr. believed, critical race theory actually does the opposite of what it intended to do because it builds bias. As far as, you know, race and theory, it's a matter of somebody's opinion of race, you know, which is actually kind of almost in a way a definition of races, you know, as far as in putting that into curriculum of in schools, it gives teachers, you know, leadway and freedom to even put their own opinion in it and create more, let's say, left-thinking students and more Democrat-leading students as far as that. It doesn't allow, let's say, a child to live and, you know, think as far as looking at both sides of the argument and looking at reality, it actually teaches to them like it's a fact when actually it's a theory, which is an opinion, you know? And then as far as, of course, anti-communist laws or let's say his boyfriend, Ron DeSantis, he has a crush on Ron DeSantis, I would say that- Adam, Adam. Anyway, I would say that prayer in schools is not a problem. The law implemented allows people to pray or reflect or do whatever their belief is for that short a period of time. It doesn't, actually, I think it actually prohibits teachers from interfering, you know? And to the argument that it may lead to something else, all that right now is opinion, it's not fact. And you know- Wait, what do you think critical research is? Ty, this is his time. He's gonna have a special- All right, all right. This is where I go. All right. But all that is a matter of conjecture, you know? Right now, the law put in place allowed children to pray, you know, manifest, reflect, or whatever they wish to do in that period of time, which a lot of us have daily routines when we start the day. It allows, you know, just as soon as you do that, it's not saying that they have to pray a certain way, they have to do Christianity, then that would be unconstitutional. For something to be unconstitutional, you have to prove it as in it brought into law, not that it was, let's say, even advertise or whatnot, because even the advertising or marketing of something is freedom of speech, you know? So that's basically my views on that as a conservative. And also, if you think you can do better with your money than the government can, you may just be a capitalist or just human being. Gotcha. Thank you so much, both of you gentlemen. That was a very spicy debate. And thank you everyone in the live chat and in the live audience for watching. Wanna remind you, if you are watching, to please like and subscribe to this channel, share this video with that family member of yours that disagrees with whatever position you happen to hold on these issues so that you can spark some conversation. Let's go ahead and move to the Q and A. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question or a comment for either of our debaters, now is the time to send in your question or comment. Superchats do get priority. I'm still monitoring the chat. So if you have a super chat, send it in now. Let's go ahead and pull that up here. Here we go. So we have a $5 super chat from Dialogue Always. Osiga, please explain why Ruby Bridges is okay to be banned under these anti-CRT logs. Ruby Bridges is okay to be banned under the anti-CRT laws. Yes, sir. And for the chat, is it okay? Is that an official proposal or just an opinion from blogs as far as Ruby Bridges being banned? Because when I was growing up, we did learn Ruby Bridges. We learned about black history. We learned about segregation and all of those things as far as let's say what went down and all around like from even Dr. Martin Luther King who in my opinion would it be against CRT? Now, I don't know where that is coming from. I think that's a matter of opinion or a little bit of fabrication. Well, actually there's kind of like a precedent to it. I think like back in around 2011, 2012, the Tea Party, if you remember that name, wanted to ban the teaching of slavery in Texas schools. So I'm going to try that so I was racist. All right, so they wanted to ban the teaching of slavery in Texas schools. And they thought that it would for the same reasons they want to ban things like critical race theory because they thought it would teach to the hatred of white people and the hatred of America. Does that sound familiar? I thought you were answering the question. Yeah, I was answering that. I was answering that. It's about slavery. I mean, well, don't assume that let's say I agree with a law or something, especially when I've been being able to read into it, when it's just like being brought upon me because I don't even know if that's the full story. Because that sounds like a lot of things have been maybe left out, especially with that Ruby Bridges one. I have a lot of questions now. They stopped, not to say somebody stopped, said that they want to stop teaching about slavery. I'm like, hmm, where's the, I need more context into that. Did they say, okay, stop, let's say an African-American studies class and then somebody twisted it to say, oh, they said stop teaching about slavery because that's how fake news kind of works. I need more context. Would you be open to the removal of the history of slavery in educational curriculum? That's history? Okay. Ruby Bridges, right? That's history. What about the GI bill from like the 1960s? Would you be open to that? Yeah, and how it affected black people versus white people? I mean, as far as how it affected black people versus white people, I did hear, I've heard stories like, I'm not denying that racism didn't exist. I'm just saying that today, that I don't think that something from three, four generations ago has as much as a big impact on other things that let's say people do today to themselves or to their families, like having broken homes or depending so much on a government or not working as hard. Because a lot of things in America is very possible. Especially my family is a family of immigrants from third world countries. America, it's almost guaranteed if you work hard, you can get where you're going. There's so many privileges that we have. I mean, even if any of us drop right now and we're unresponsive, an ambulance will come and pick us up and give us the care similar to what the president of the United States will receive, whether we have money or not, and they would bill us later in the insurance, but we would still receive that lifesaving care. That's a huge privilege that a lot of third world countries, actually all third world countries, you don't see that. So us sitting here as Americans, we're very spoiled, you know? We're the spoiled people of the world. And for people to say that things like, oh, he's black, so he doesn't get this and all that. He doesn't get the privileges or certain things that his white counterparts get. That's like a big boo-hoo like story, you know? It's kind of bull because it's like saying, okay, well, if you had, let's say a solid home, if you had like, let's say maybe conservative values of not sleeping with everything you see and having protected sex or being abstinent or doing stuff that sets you up in the future and your family up in the future and not, you know, your own bad decisions, self-accountability, your life would be better off. Oh, okay, yeah, that's, yeah, that's okay. I would agree in like a personal term when I talk to someone like that, I'm like, yeah, yeah, you should probably make better decisions and stuff. But when we're talking about things like laws and stuff like that and how it affects like large demographics of people, I think things like personal responsibility and things like that can't really be brought to that discussion because we only make our decisions inside an environment in laws-shaped environment, right? So I don't know if the personal responsibility to point is like that relevant to talking about things like CRT. Okay, so do you think- Let's let Osego have the final word on this and then we'll move on because this was a question for him. I have one more question for him. All right, yeah, you're right. We have a few more questions in the chat. We don't have a lot of questions right now. So I'm letting you guys kind of chat on, but hopefully we'll get more super chats in and then I'll have to start being more stringent on the time. But go ahead and Osego, just have the final word on this and let's go ahead and move on a little bit. On the Ruby Bridges or our Slaveman schools? The Ruby Bridges question is the final word you have on. Yeah, so- You can just say whatever you want to have the final word. As far as that, if that is true, I disagree with saying you wanted to take out Ruby Bridges. Now, the story about Ruby Bridges is pretty unique and it's a big part of history. That'll be hard to, of course, let's say ignore, even if that was true. It's even being taught in schools for years. I was taught about Ruby Bridges in schools. I think about it all the time, you know? And even with that, I don't know why you would try to frame that with Republicans that we were against Ruby Bridges. Many of the people that I would argue that followed the crowd or do what's popular, which is be more liberal today or be more democratic, that would have been against Ruby Bridges during that time. They would have been throwing rocks at her and protesting her because it was popular at that time. A lot of, let's say, leftist or people- That's not left. Yeah, but no, no, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is at that time, that those viewpoints were popular. The popular viewpoints route is more leftist, liberal, democratic viewpoints. I'm saying that a lot of the people that are arguing right now would have been protesting against Ruby Bridges going to school. So as far as that too, to try and attach that to Republicans- Definitely conservative, so- I think that's a little bit fallacious, you know? I mean, there are very similar groups of people, the people that are against integration and the people that are human honors now and anti-CRT now. Remember, we do have to let him have the word on this. Gotcha. As far as that, well, I'm not part of, let's say, QAnon. I'm a conservative Republican. I am part of black history, but also a child of immigrants. So I'm the American dream. I would not see what's wrong with teaching history, you know? And as far as CRT, last time I checked, even with the components of CRT, I don't see anything about them teaching about, you know, really about black history as much as trying to pin the tail on, let's say, white people, you know? Or to tell somebody that they are oppressed. Yeah, it's not. Thank you. Thank you both for that. Thank you, Dialogue Always for that super chat. Let's just go ahead and move on so we can address the other questions too. Dialogue. Joe Schwartz, Senator Super Chatting for 499. Thank you for the respectful discourse on CRT. Now I want to know, what is your opinion on CRT Crash Team Racing? That's for both of you. Oh my gosh, that's CTR. Yeah, I like Crash Team Racing. CTR, sorry, yes. As someone from Bars and Joysticks, a video game channel as well. Yeah, the PS1 was that console growing up. Like the PS2 actually was that console, but you know, PS1 was like the OG PlayStation. Crash Team Racing was a fun game. I remember a chain called Movie Gallery, if anyone else remembers that. And during the weekends, my mom would take me and my brother there. And we'd rent some games, like X-Men, Children of the Atom, and Spyro, and Crash Team Racing. And that's a classic, homie. What do you want to say? Do you have any thoughts on that? What did they mean by Crash Team Race? You know, like Crash Bandicoot? And like they're racing go-karts in the, it's like a PS1 game. I think they made a few ports. So what is he basically saying in English? I guess a less nerdy term. No, it was kind of like a joke question. He was asking, all right, CRT, Code of Race Theory, CTR is Crash Team Racing. So it was just like a plan on the acronym. You have any opinion on it? I grew up playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 and 2K. So I wouldn't, I don't know if that's my avenue. Tony Hawk's undergrad was lit. Yeah, yeah, it was really good. Pro Skater 2 and 2K and then Madden and all those. So I get those terms. My siblings, they loved that Smash Bros. Brawl and all that stuff, but that wasn't really my thing. But yeah, I hope it was a good joke for everybody. I thought it was good. I thought I liked it, dude. Well, thank you, Joe Schwartz for the super chat. Regardless, sorry if you don't feel like you cut your question answer all the way. That is all of the super chats that we have at the moment. We have more questions, but ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a super chat, you want to fire into the live chat, it will definitely be read next. We will go ahead and move to the regular questions from Bob Sadler. He asks for Osiga still hasn't explained how stating facts about our history is anti-white and creating white guilt. If you are not ashamed of your history, you're not teaching it right. As far as that, so he's saying that teaching history, which we already do, I think we already teach history in schools. I was taught history in school. Now to say it's anti-white, like I read, the fifth component of critical race theory, it's written in a way is saying the notion that whites have actually been recipients of civil rights legislation, that they've actually benefited and received it to imply that other groups have not or they're under as far as an advantage. It also leaves room for, of course, depending on the teacher, which most are left-leaning for them to add to that and say that race training in corporate countries, to say that a white child, let's say a white child sitting there in a classroom is able to have an advantage over the black children because of, let's say, the past, when that's not completely true. So that's one thing. White kids in majority white classrooms do have advantage over black kids when they're inside a majority white classroom. So that's like until as old as time. Yeah, well not as old as time, definitely less than 100 years old, but no, your mom never told you, hey, you're black and your classmates or all your classmates are white, so the teacher can see you easier than your classmates. Like you've never, never heard that before? My school was predominantly black, but very diverse. My elementary school was extremely diverse. It was actually a global studies, magnet school, and then my middle school was very black. And I remember the black students, a lot of broken homes, yes, but a lot of people, like they knew where their next meal was coming. And they had, we all had our resources and just as much abilities to succeed as our white counterparts. And then high school, same thing pretty much. Oh, okay. Yeah, we had different school experiences. No, I went to majority white schools my entire life. Yeah, I went to school in actual hood. I'm actually somebody who lived this. I'm not, so as far as that, and no insult to you, because as far as majority white schools, I, when I, as far as going to college, my college was pretty diverse, but it was predominantly white. So I understand. Now, I think most of these things is in your head, you know, as far as it's a mentality of, let's say not in your head, but in general, in people's heads, it builds a victim mentality in your head to think that, oh, I can't do this because I'm black, or this isn't possibly because I'm black. And that hinders you. I think that might be a straw man. Fortunately, I think that's a straw man. Just because like you're cognizant that certain things might affect you differently because you're a certain demographic, doesn't mean you're, just because it doesn't mean you have a victim mentality. Like if I was like a petite woman, I wouldn't go jogging at 2 a.m. Because I would be treated as a petite woman differently than you or I would be treated, you know? You understand? So we kind of have like male privilege in that perspective. But that doesn't mean that just because she's a woman, she's automatically like a victim just because she can't go jogging at 2 a.m. Right? It's completely inadvisable to go jogging at 2 a.m. You and I, I think we can definitely get, who's the fuck's gonna jump us, you know? Ain't nobody's gonna jump me. You seem like you're taller than me. Ain't nobody's gonna jump you, bro. But you know what I'm saying? When I say that, that's not a victim mentality. It's just like being cognizant of like, just differences in your position in society. Well, see, well, that's, I think maybe that's, that maybe in all fairness, maybe that's its intention. But what we are definitely worried about that is if you talk about grade school kids, usually they're not able to grasp that type of mental, you know, understanding yet. So- I would not want kids under the age of like 15, 16 learning about this like- Yeah. They can learn about Holocaust age. Where they learn about the Holocaust. Yeah, that's, but see the thing is that under 15, that's a lot of students. That's a big demographic. I think that's something that you're able to maturely digest like in your brain, in your mind at the college level. Now, bringing it to, let's say in grade school level, you have that growing, let's say animosity for, let's say the other race or you have white guilt on yourself, which actually I grew up with, as far as like teachers that were heavily democratic and their hints were overly obvious. That's so cringe. You know, as far as that too, to you make somebody have a victim mentality. Cause I would admit, I had a victim mentality too. I thought because I was black or you know, like white people, let's say having, for me, a lot of white people- Let's let us see if we have the final word here. Let's let us see if we have the final word here and let's move on to the next question. Cause we're about halfway through the Q and A right now. We still have a few more questions to get through. Hopefully we get some more super chats in so we can get those to the top of the list here. Dang, this is ending so fast. Yeah, it's going through pretty quick. Here's another question from Bob Sadler. He asks, what does it matter how someone worships their God? Separation between church and state doesn't have to be Christian only. Absolutely. So separation of church and state. I agree, you know, as far as that, you know, as far as the separation because like one, in the sense of you don't want that, we want to serve the people. When you're in public service, you're serving the people and people have a freedom to religion. And you also have a freedom to religion yourself. But to put that in there overly, it's like you're, you know, of course almost like, you know, forcing somebody like, of course, if I'm one of, some of my constituents will be Muslim, you know, I'm not going to force them out of the religion because that's unconstitutional. I'm not going to put that into a law. So as far as that separation of church and state, I understand where that logic comes from. Now it doesn't mean take out in God we trust because that was the founding fathers. So that's what they- No, it wasn't. That guy introduced you in like the 50s. I'm not going to, I'm not going to like, let's say knock down, you know, let's say statues or let's say take out God, you know, the word God in a lot of places. But I would stick to the constitution that we don't discriminate on race, you know, of course race or religion or all those other protected, you know, status, you know, statuses or whatnot. But as far as, yeah, I get what you're saying on that. Okay. Let's go ahead and move to the next one. This is a question from forward tribe. He, I think this is a few Taj. The West is the most cosmopolitan and tolerant place. Why do you think only the West is obsessed with race theories and attacking its foundational religion? I don't think that the West is, okay, well he's saying that the West is obsessive. I think that the wealth that the West has like allows for things like philosophy to bloom, just like ancient Greece. People like Socrates and Aristotle, stuff like that came from ancient Greece because they were a thriving society. So the West being a thriving society that it is, it's only natural that we as human beings, it's human nature to get existential and question things. And also to see a problem, like things like racial disparity and things like that and figure out why that is and like what led to things like that. So I think there's no issue with that. You know, it's like, it's kind of like saying, hey, I want to get, I want to get in shape. Am I attacking myself because I want to get in shape? I can't touch my toes. So I have to stretch twice a day in order to touch my toes by December. Am I attacking myself because I can't touch my toes? No, no, I don't think so. I think that learning where your weaknesses lie and where your problems lie only gives you the guide point to find solutions in the solving. It strengthens us as the West and as America to figure out why certain people in our country are doing poorly compared to their peers. Gotcha. Okay, here's another question from Forward Tribe. What do you think of Cuban protesters showing American flags as a symbol of freedom and Americans using that freedom to burn their flag and defending communism? Well, it's completely fine to burn your flag because that's like what the First Amendment allows and I think that's pretty based. Freedom of speech is awesome. The Cuban thing's kind of complicated. To my understanding, like a lot of it deals with the embargo, I should have read up on it more. America's had a really contentious relationship with Cuba and a lot of the Cubans that are here find the conditions in Cuba to be unfavorable due to things like embargoes and the U.S. embargoed them because they thought that Cuba was being too communist or too socialist. So we had a propped it up leader that propped it up leader, got toppled and now we embargoed them. And yeah, Cuba's kind of suffering for it. But Cuba has made a lot of really cool strides. They have a higher literacy rate than us. They've made big innovations, like really awesome innovations when it comes to things like healthcare and when it comes to things like, just like their doctor programs are just amazing. And that's completely fine to acknowledge that. I'd much rather live in America than Cuba. But when, pretty much what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is that like, it's completely fine to burn our flag in protest to the United States as citizens. We should be mad at ourselves. We'd be like, dang, we screwed up. You know, we gotta take that personal responsibility as citizens of the country and vote properly and get the proper laws installed where people don't get mad and people don't feel the need to ride. But yeah, I'm fine with Cuban people protesting because that's also, when they're Cuban-Americans, that's their right. Gotcha. Okay. Oh. Well, I mean, if you wanna make a quick rejoinder, he does have to have the final word. We have 10 minutes left. Okay. All right, continue. I'll say on all that, ask the Cuban in Miami what they think. But let's continue. You wanna say something real quick, Taj, just because you have the final word? Yeah, yeah, that's kind of somewhat biased. When someone leaves somewhere, they obviously don't like it that much to say. So like asking someone that's in Miami, like why they love Cuba, of course, you're not gonna really like that place. I'd much rather ask someone that's in Cuba about that. Sure. If you had a plane going to the US, you put it in Cuba, it would fill up. I'm pretty sure. And if you wanna ask somebody- I'd ask the people that stayed. Sure. And it's very difficult to even get in and leave Cuba. So I'm sure, as far as that, but it's very obvious that Cuba is not the place you would wanna be. And- Yeah, because there's an embargo that we put on them. We put an embargo on them, dog. There's other things that we can do. Okay, okay, okay. We don't work. Just remember, Taj has to have the final word. And we will come back to the subject. Don't worry. It's completely fine. Like when you have tensions with a bigger country, but that bigger country is gonna bully you. Yeah, we've been bullying Cuba before our parents were alive. All right, like I don't know how old your parents are. They're probably like my parents' age, like very, very close to 60. We've been bullying them longer than that. So that makes hella sense that people like don't like the conditions there. Okay. Here's a comment from Barron, or question from Barron Von G. I think this is concerning Krishna Thor. I can't say this last word. Yeah, I think that was for Osega. You said, which prayer can they say in school? Yeah, he's talking about which God would you allow them to have, would you be wanting them to be praying to school? Yeah, I think the question, I think the guy was asking like more like, are you dead ass sure that you don't think anyone's gonna abuse that? No, I did not say that. I did not say it's 100% nobody will abuse that. I mean, humans break laws every day. They're humans. You said earlier that no one would abuse it. No, no, no. I think he's more asking which gods are you okay with them praying to? You said wouldn't it lead? Oh, so they can pray to anybody that they pray to. It doesn't, prohibiting somebody's freedom of religion that's unconstitutional. So the law in itself, it says they could take that time to reflect, to relax, to pray, to manifest, whatever they would like to do if they're choosing. It doesn't force somebody to pray to, it doesn't force anybody to assert religion. That would be unconstitutional. Okay. Okay, back to the communism from pancake of destiny asks if communism is so good, why do people always run away from communist countries to capitalist countries, not the other way around? All right, I'm gonna say this one more time. I always get brought into debates like this where everyone thinks I'm a communist, I'm pro-communist. I, when I talk about communism, I'm literally just like shitting on the person I'm debating with because they can't tell me what communism is. But I will say this, that there hasn't been a communist country in known history, to my understanding. A society that is stateless, classless, so there's no hierarchical class, there's no rich, there's no poor, in cashless, where there's no currency being exchanged for goods. That to my, like, where has there been a communism? In the past 1,000 years, none to my knowledge, none. So the countries that have been deemed communist by other countries, like, and that have had like things like the USSR and things like that, those countries were always in conflict. Like when a country's in conflict, like the United States was during World War II, then like, well, yeah, when a country's in conflict, things like supply lines and conditions in that country go to the crapper, all right? I remember I was in a food line. People say communist food lines all the time. I remember I was in a food line, as a boy, fourth grade, no, my bad, fifth grade, you know what happened? Hurricane Charlie came through and a lot of food supply lines got taken out so FEMA had to feed us. That's the thing that happens in all countries and there was a food line last year in Texas, man. Like, look, what I'm saying is bad things happen to the people in countries when a country in mass is struggling with something. So when a country that's deemed too common in the US government to like or to deem an ally, then they'll make conditions worse for that country. Like, so when a country's in conflict like that, then don't expect it to be sunflower and roses all over that country. That's not a realistic expectation. As far as that- I would flee too. Yeah, so- We have five minutes left. So socialism is very much related to communism because it definitely leads to that. You know, because socialism is more about more taking than let's say making something, you know? And as more as you take and take and take it, it's can only lead to communism. Of course, there are socialist countries that are very much close to like communism. Like there's no complete capitalist country either if you wanna go there with that argument. So, but you can say that America is leans more towards capitalism than most countries. And because it's just like Venezuela, Cuba, even China. Venezuela had a coup. We tried doing a coup in Venezuela like eight times, man. No, no, no, don't cut me off. Don't cut me off. They had conflicts. I'll let you get your point. Okay, I'm just saying that. Just take 30 seconds, Osiga. 30 seconds, go ahead. According to what you said, you know, America, so America is not a capitalist country. A complete capitalist country, of course, doesn't exist. So a complete communist country doesn't exist, like you said. But if it closely relates to that, we can go ahead and call, you know, let's say a pig, a pig or whatnot. You know, just like we call America a capitalist country, we can call like these other countries that lean towards communism as communist countries. You said earlier that socialism is not communist. So obviously a pig would not be a pig. If you're calling a socialist country a communist country. I said earlier, I wouldn't even call this a socialist country. This is Taj's question. So, Taj, you had the final word. Go ahead, Taj. Take 15 more seconds. Yeah, that's it. Next question, next question. Okay, let's do it. Sorry about that. Okay, from Zanos Carthage. Can you ask the debaters how they feel about turtles? Oh, well, I feel that turtles are conservative. They live for hundreds of years. And they live for hundreds of years, and they do what they have to do to survive. Conservatism is about survival. Socialism is about what you do when you have too much time in your hands, when you've been spoiled by, let's say capitalism or let's say conservative people. So I feel that turtles, you know, they're very, they're very strong, hard shell, which is a conservative, you know, ideology. Now, of course a turtle, I would say a liberal turtle would be like without that shell. And they wouldn't probably make it, you know, too far as far as that. And, you know, they eat, you know, they have their diet, which is a strict diet of self-accountability, which is, you know, you eat what's best for you, which is the term of diet. So I would say, I would say turtles are conservative, you know, as far as that. They wouldn't live as long as they live, you know. That's literally just their biology to live that long. Yeah. But I would say, I would say, you know, as far as survival is more, you know, complete source of conservatives. Okay. I guess, I guess like how, I guess portraying a turtle like the turtles that live super long don't have that many predators. If any predators and they live in like near, like paradise, paradisical environments, like Galapagos turtles, like, oh, the Galapagos. Yeah. I don't think there are many predators out there for turtles. So I don't know if it's so much self-reliance as much as it is just like a really nice environment. And just kind of like, ignorance of like how your environment can determine the quality of one's life. But my true thoughts on turtles are, they're really interesting creatures. I think they're super dirty, never eat after touching a turtle before, like without washing your hands. I think they inspire a lot of imagination in different cultures. My favorite pop culture turtles, obviously the team's new Ninja Turtles. My favorite one was Michelangelo. I'm going to tell it was black. Gotcha. Amarillo says movie gallery saved many lives. Does that mean anything to you guys? What do you say? Movie gallery saved many lives. Hey, movie gallery. That's where we got CCI crash team racing, man. And X-Men children to Adam. PS1. Bro, I was an ice man named. Gotcha. We have one last question. If you guys have time to get to it. Dale Wilson says, what does Osega think about the dozens of studies showing that people with quote white sounding names at the top of their resume have a significant advantage in getting job interviews? Dale's got the shots. Not. I don't think that's true as much today as it was before. Now my name is very unusual, but there's advantages and disadvantages in life. In general. And in life, you got to take advantage of your advantages. My name is very unique, but also somebody can see it more as like, let's say a ghetto name. But I've gotten to a point where. Really in life is never hindered me. My name, my funny name Osega Kaku is never hindered me from doing all that I wanted to do, whether it be owning a business, having high paying jobs, or, you know, going to college or being able to invest in things. It's never hindered me from doing all that I wanted to do, whether it be owning a business, having high paying jobs, or being able to invest in things. It's never hindered me. In fact, it's made people want to have to pronounce my name more because let's say I'm their boss or whatnot. Many examples include people that prominent figures that we know today, including Barack Obama, you know, it didn't stop him from getting the most powerful job in the world. So I don't, does that study just on that alone? It kind of knocks it out. Now if you want, like if you're an industry where the name probably should sound a little bit better than you remember, that's a disadvantage. Like, you know, not everybody's going to remember exactly how to spell Siga Kaku. But if I'm president one day, you have no choice but to know how to spell Barack Obama's name or to pronounce it because, you know, it's a leader. And so as far as, you know, that study, it could be true. It could not be true, but it's just depending on what you're going to do about it. You don't choose your name. I don't mean other. Well, you know, I'm not in favor of. It should be a certain people, but I'm not in favor of it. So yeah, I'm not in favor of it. That's simple Siga. No, I'm not in favor of it. I'm not in favor of it. This is Pro Siga and he had to limit the final word. And we are over time on the question answer. So I can't get to any more questions that are in the chat now. So I'm sorry, guys. Well, she had sent little super chats. But I do want to thank our debaters for the very vigorous discussion. It was a lot of entertainment. I want to thank praise. I am that I am for producing the discussion. for contributing to the conversation and for giving us the views and sharing this video for everyone to see. If you enjoyed this, please make sure that you subscribe to Modern Day Debate and that you like and share this video. Our guests are linked in the description one more time, even if you're listening via podcast or watching it on YouTube. So if you liked what you were hearing, please go check out their links, hit the subscribe buttons. 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