 What's your London breakfast and plus TV African thanks for joining us this beautiful day very first day in the month of September We have a zickel and yeah, I took us and standby to join the conversation a zickel. Thank you so much. We appreciate you every other time Thanks for having me. I consider the privilege to be here. My coffee is also here this morning I mean, it's good to have you in one piece all right, so as always We'll be looking through the front pages of a national dailies ad like to start off with the leadership Quite interesting headlines right here. It says no end in sight for pdp crisis as wiki IU returns to trenches really Okay, I mean that's how the leadership is reporting this morning wiki or tum others were kids when we found PDP IU is quoted to say it feels like what we hear our parents say all the time stop being power drunk respect Constitution on rotation wiki loyalists fire back Party wouldn't get reverse votes without reward That's what politics is about co care at 70 Jonathan northern governor's dogara lord bishop for advancing democracy diesel price to increase Uh landing costs we're looking at that's what the depot owners are quoted to say the landing costs might be on the rise and uh Kiyamoto koa president can delegate vp to handle security Wow president can delegate vice president to handle security But you know this or the issue once upon a time when the president takes off And who becomes the next income? I everyone expect that the president should well over time It's it's been long since the president transmitted You know power to the vice president every time has a way for official or unofficial duty lawanamechi orders Sean apc peace meeting with tunable That's what the leadership talks about this morning and uh flood 15 bodies recovered from medugri River that's what nema is saying uh tribunal sacks Bowery cancelled chairman orders rerun in kuje And that's the headlines on the leadership Let's go over to the the nation you see but this morning with the following headlines The paper gives attention. I think there's a reason why the lead the nation is always talking about a pdp crisis for the past One week it's the pdp You want to tell me pdp so but that this is what the nation is is is is doing Um with its headline the big one there pdp crisis a iu hits wiki or tom mackin the Iqbazu These are wikis men. Iqbazu has been chilling in but I could for some time now It says through that headline with the writers They are nowhere when we form pdp Rivers governor demands state's stake in party mimiko duke adoke gana accused of fueling crisis nwc to meet benwear or your enugu abya Acquirable governors and what what the papers are saying are you of course made a point that? He will not step down He will not step down saying where were these people when we formed the pdp and um, they are children You know as far as uh, their reactions are going that they don't have a good grasp of what is happening in the party But they are calls for him uh to step down He went on to say in that interview even if he spoke to bbc houses service even if he steps down Those who are clamoring for him to remove they will never be the ones to produce his successor now the the pdp Spokesman in river state Some days ago gave an interview where he said that uh, are you ought to step down? So the national vice chairman of the pdp south will take over so it's interesting times to see What happens to the party going forward? But it seems that they are they are reports that Iqbazu has been advised to cut his losses and forget wiki Seeing that he may not really have The truthful Mind to to make peace with wiki. It was a gentleman's agreement that none of the port sides will Will not make inflammatory statements in public, but it seems that has not been honored So we'll see what happens going forward more from the the nation this morning Investors maintain 4.5 trillion now gains for eight months and the rider to that says 28.3 billion are recorded as net loss in august not too good news Getting used to this these days as far as the economy is concerned efcc Proving down for a governor for alleged money laundering. I carry the law accuses federal government of bias in tompolos pipeline contract The paper has more headlines buhari governors kalu others greek kuka at 70 Some people have been commenting on that as well, you know, I've seen for other politicians to reveal their real age Let's go on okara lego's ban Phase two enforcement kicks off. We hope that there will be no violence with this one And aviation fuel price hike may affect our operations. See as wants that is Really worrying. This is the chief of air staff. So the thing is is is getting more dangerous He's seeking import license and depot establishment. All right. We need to look some more into that 2035 fossil fuel deadline will hurt economy says a manufactures association of nigeria some of the headlines on the front page of The nation and the paper didn't waste any time to put a front page picture showing Bishop Matthew has some kuka We in the same in a photo with them the governor of lego state and the apc presidential candidate But interestingly dr. Goodluck jenathan from a Nigerian president is also in that picture. So maybe the paper saying two days Back to back jenathan and timbu together. All right, go to the nation newspaper move on Well, that's it on the nation, but we also have the daily sound newspaper here. Are you wicked trade words? And those calling for my resignation are kids. That's what the pdp is quoted to say or pdp chair I beg your pardon. I mean, that's how you now tellings we kid that, you know Well, do you know who I am? Nobody can threaten us rivers governor is quoted But if you look at the issue of contention here, and then that's what we constantly talk about internal democracy in our political parties And because if you have political parties where internal democracy does not thrive what becomes of the larger society Another caption says resolve us to strike down obi tells federal government that speed I'll be how I settle for month crisis jonathan Nance accuses lecturers of plot to destroy public varsities article tambour well pdp challenge we case case hearing fixed for september the fourth maybe that was the reason why You know the very Green, you know suits was very obvious everywhere great tie wonderful hat, you know Okay, energy transition plan vice president the pats for the united states amid Kamala harris and world bank group Emeritus states or install flights operations and legals That's very good for nigerians nigerians or revenue down 28 to 799 billion and the first quarter of 2022 That's what the central bank of nigeria is saying. I like one selection observers against late application Buhari to a term I never ordered security agents not to touch full anikila headsmen okay Governors sgf carlo hails bishop coca as he turned 70 apc wounds gets 25 percent in most states. That's what the pdp is saying Okay What the headlines on the daily sun newspaper? Let's go over to the last paper we have on our table this morning This happens to be the punch newspaper and it's also staying with the 2023 presidential elections And this time the lead story focuses on the apc presidential As far as meeting that was meant to hold in a pooch. The headlines for the papers may be somewhat Dismissing I'll be interested to see what I guess things because what we told the report we told is that the meeting was called by the the one of the presidential candidates Dr. Felix who was the youngest apc presidential aspirants rather and he called that meeting Later to send a text message of aspirants in the meeting had been postponed but some people feel this is because the the The aspirants were not showing When commitments to holding that meeting the president the vice president had already traveled Out by 1 21 a.m. He was climbing Bought in the presidential jet or vice presidential jet to united states of america for i'm sure and already shared a whole meeting So such a meeting holding without vp may not Be without good. So it might still hold but this is what the paper says 2023 poll apc presidential aspirants shone A boja meeting the writers apc presidential Primary co-contestants should not be ignored says aspirant and timbu shatima unaware of meeting says campaign team Uh, or shiba joe jets out to united states All right, so that's that more from the paper banks assets rise by 22 percent now 65 trillion era I won't allow anyone to stabilize pdp. Are you? 265 million dollars emirates makes u-turn tourism flights. It's very good news. Maybe Uh, I guess we'll tell us more about that name terrorism sponsors oil thieves will be tales federal government Um strike asu welcomes governor's intervention wants sincerity strike asu welcomes governor's intervention wants sincerity Uh cookout seven nigeria derailing needs right leaders says jonathan Nigeria records 1.7 million rights violations children worse hit. It's a warring statistic there EFCC res 13 illegal banners impounds five trucks and 32 states fail to attract investment in q2 Let's now welcome Ezekiel and I took a guest this morning to give us his thoughts on the papers What the papers are saying and what we put out? Asked the headlines this morning. Um architect. Yeah, I took good morning to you. Thank you very much for your time Good morning, and again, thanks for having me. All right. Let's start with the the punch and um the the seeming shunning of a meeting called by uh, one of the presidential aspirants for the presidential aspirants or former aspirants on the platform or the apc to put their heads together Do you think from the information available that they shunned the meeting because I'm told the man Sent a message around to them on the day of the meeting said it had been postponed Do you think that they are unwilling to to come together should we read so much into this? Okay, um, I was once the secretary of the aspirants forum When I contested the governorship in 2007 that was the first time um and when you don't get the ticket and you are You you get to form a forum of some sort You are either sent by the The man who's won the ticket and it's like please can you help me get people together and let us run with one voice? or you are Being ignored by the person who's got the ticket and then you are Asking your other people to come together and let us try and let's put some threat to him to say Look, we had a lot of support base if you put it together You better just take us into what you are doing because if we don't come together and work for you And we choose to work against you, you know, it's going to be difficult for you So it's either you are trying to threaten the person or you are trying to work for the person Now if you're trying to work for the person the question is why would the candidate Want somebody else to call? The people his other in a fellow aspirants for him It's not likely if he's favorably disposed to working with the aspirants He's going to like say get across to them and the aspirants will be only too happy to be called by the candidate to work for them Usually it is the other way They feel ignored by the candidate And they feel they've spent so much So they would like to get something back from the candidate At the same time the candidate is so pressured by what he's got to spend for the general election So he's trying to say guys, you know what let's just work together And when we get the government we can now be accommodated And these aspirants are saying we've seen this before man Once you get the candidate the government we can't even come close to you anymore even as Former colleagues so to speak so I foresee a situation where These are aggrieved You know aspirants and then they feel ignored Or they've meted in demands for a certain amount of what they invested to be returned to them And usually those claims are Outrageous, you know a guy would tell you that you know of my primaries You know, there are different categories like I'm running the governorship of my state today And out of where we're supposed to be 18 political parties You always have what you call the contenders and then the pretenders As are today. There are some maybe about Three four parties are being heard in my state, you know, and um, obviously mine is one of um I have no problem. No cuts. No missing these know that I'm just I'm just as cool as can be Anyway, so there are some names you haven't heard at all And then you you you win and then they're asking you that we spent, you know 500 million we spent 800 million. I know that's just absolute boncombe. So how do you start to address that now? these false claims against how much you have to spend and you know within the context of what you have makes it almost You know conventional for the The candidates to seemingly ignore the aspirants and giving them just let's work on hope I think that what must have happened is that These people feel aggrieved they feel ignored They want to put a pressure and use that pressure to mount on, you know, the candidates to take care of them before time And you know, if you know Bola Ahmed, you know, go very well He is he's he's he's he understands the game So what is going to do is going to be even if they were maybe 10 is going to pick the top three privately Directly indirectly and take you of them and those are the the wind in the sale of the aspirants Take off the vice president telling you can't be part of this at a time like this. You can't Take off one two three other key people a man like Like amici you can't dismiss him with the wave of their hand. Have a deal. We have an understanding with the you know Amici and then when you call a meeting and the top three outside of the winner is not available The meeting looks weak and then before you know, there's nothing to write him about I think that the guy The handwriting and then called off the meeting. Yeah very quickly Before we go to the next up and headline with mercy So I was saying that Teenable is is is going to deal with lawan. It's about the top three top four of the aspirants who came behind Teenable in that apc presidential primary that Maybe the travails of lawan may not be unconnected with them Teenable came up the winner that maybe he will not forgive them Those who challenged him Especially if you look at his speech at his victory speech of the apc presidential rally at ego square You know some things he said when he addressed lawan, you know, so I know you you watch that speech And so do you think that we should take all these for granted? You know, you look at the case that lawan is facing with machina. He's um So-called placeholder in in in yobes state in the senatorial primaries There are many things in that speech that we should probably just leave it for now because The there are many things I question not just what he said But how he said what he said and things like that and I'm sure that you won't want me to go into the details Very see politics is a very complicated game Very technical that is being analyzed by people who don't understand the rules of the game every game has its rooms You know, there's a lot of like when you read a lot of things in the social media You know, there's a lot of very intellectual analysis and discusses and In politics lines are not always straight Sometimes you plant certain things. You don't want you see If if if I want to settle you for instance in politics I'm going to tell you oh boy If if we appeared to be friends They would think you've settled me and all my supporters are going to come and say look The good relationship that you have with your prayer with them, you know Your winner means that he must have taken care of you. We work for you So if he took care of you also take care of us So one of the things to do is you can have a kind of um an understanding that you take care of me But you see we're going to fight in public But you see the fight is not such that it's going to enjoy you that is one The second part is somebody who's made an impossible demand You do everything to please that person and the guy is just not not listening to you And has even threatened you and you like if I become a president this guy is going to be a problem to me So what do I do? I go out of my way to make sure that I I make sure he does not get Whatever position he needs to I use my office my position my disposition all in my within my ass now to stop the person So you need to know the relationship between lawan And um tinubu at this point in time which of the baskets of the strategies and the games of politics they belong So don't be too much in a hurry to draw certain analysis, you know conclusions politics is very very complicated And and you know tinubu is trying very well because I I tend to give credit more to the northerners who are more politically serving that we are more politically intellectual and you know Things don't always work like that laws are laws rules are rules and politics is a game that has its own rules And you play by it, you know one of the one of my closest friends, you know in the north, you know I would say my political godfather so to speak, you know He said politics is the only game that hates you win Tail you win depending on if you understand the game, you know, so Let's not be too intellectual in analysis of what is going on because what is behind is always more than what is in front in politics All right, then let's take a look at the daily sun newspaper Same also with the leadership. It talks about the crisis that's going on with the pdp. Are you We k trade wards and he says those calling for my Exonation or kids. That's what the pdp chair is saying Nobody can threaten us in river state But I want us to see now the leadership says that no end in sight for pdp crisis As we can are you returns to trenches? I mean, of course having exchanging those words now But my question to you is that the concerns of you know We k Do you think that they are really really, um, you know rational In terms of you know the party constitution and all this going on you you have a chairman from the north You also have another presidential candidate and what have you do you think that it's his his concerns are very valid and rational Yeah, let me is another, you know, I've been the national chairman of the party before Another issue that we are discussing deliberating without understanding is how party politics works As I gave kudos to um to uh, a large article, uh, not article that ashiwaju I am really so surprised really surprised at how Um, a large article is taking this whole thing. I can't I've tried to know wrap my head around it I really can't for one two three reasons number one is that For whatever it is worth you want to have peace for you to campaign You know, there are two there are two seasons in in in politics the sitting Just before campaigns before before before election, you know, you have first part of getting to the primary Before you get to the primary you want to control the structure of the party So that you can win your primary The moment you get the ticket of the party You can run independent of the party It could be dangerous. You are better running. You are better of running with the party But sometimes the party puts such weight and load on you that you can run independent That is what jonathan did when he created tan Rather than work with the the machinery of the party He worked with the machinery of tan and there's nothing wrong with it You can set up instead of a local government chairman or the chapter chairman You can have a chapter coordinator a world coordinator a unit coordinator You can use that of the party can use that of your own independently. Why am I saying this? I expected that For whatever it is worth that a large article will bend over backward and just Seal a deal with wiki in politics. It's about negotiation. You've got to win some you've got to lose some, okay? It's only when the person becomes Impossible that you now go to plan b plan a is always reconciliation Now come to the national chairman where he comes from where he doesn't come from again We are acting based on abysmal ignorance and You know, you know, uh, what do you call it assumptions that do not apply? I'll tell you how it is Offices within the party are zoned north south Okay, and if you are giving your national chairman to the North for instance The best you can have is the deputy national chairman Holding place in the absence of the national chairman You can't elevate the deputy national chairman to make him a substantial chairman because the position of the chairman is for that zone It's happening in in my state You know where in my party the state chairman Was from Uyo senatorial districts while the deputy is from Iqa Depende senatorial districts Because of how close it is to the elections because the the state chairman came to compose a contest So the position is vacant I cannot make we cannot make the deputy national State chairman to become the substantive chairman because that belongs to another senatorial district In that in that of the national is north south So what you can do is prevail on the party for the deputy national chairman to whole fort Whole fort while, you know till the election is over. Okay Now that will be on the condition that the national chairman himself decides to step down If he or is removed if he is removed Still you cannot make the deputy substantial because it is zoned to a particular area You have to go to another convention and get another person from that zone and that's complicated In a situation where are you says i'm not going to step down? I want to remain It does not stop you from running your election And by time you remove the the chairman to put another person Then you are probably going to create problems for the man who is Contesting and the man in the eye of the storm right now is atiku and not wike Wike is a politician who is trying to get the very best and he's entitled to it It is his right. He can say I don't want that man, but that's how far he's going goes He has to go through the national walking committee or the national executive council to be able to get them as an individual He cannot prosecute that unless he goes to court and the court gives that injunction And I don't think any court would do it But this is where my worry is I feel really really embarrassed that Are you the national chairman will make the level of the sort of Childish pardon my language comment that is making how can you call a governor a boy? How can you call a man like donald duke a boy? I want to ask where was are you when pdp was in crisis and nobody could be seen Nobody could fund nobody could talk except one man wike They should give wike. I don't agree with some of the things that wike is doing better should give him the credit He can't come and call him where where you when we formed the party. Did you really form the party? I want to ask him. Where is the in the first? you know Dr. Alex Equeme is is is is is late now, but the first secretary of that g 36 I think it was 18 or 36 the first secretary is still alive Where is the man today before that man is are you a boy or a man? So don't don't don't don't don't paint people that are Governors or elders of the party. I started with the pdp So I can say this that But we're just a quick one now. It's a continuation of your thought pattern We're talking about a tiku and we're talking about wike and are you and following the development That's a hearing because wike has actually you know filed a case shoots in court asking that A tiku will be dismissed as presidential candidate or sacked as presidential candidate He said he's he was not behind the suit. No, no publicly. He said he said he's not behind He doesn't know anything about the suit. How can he say? I mean, but this is what we have now These are the issues and then secondly on the other because I don't know who's reported If you look at all the reports and and and the news you have Him there's going to be hearing. I think on the 14th of this month It's going to be a hearing on the particular case even though there are cases where I mean orders have asked that this case be Twisted and be dismissed entirely But he's also publicly said that he is ensuring that the structures of the apc are demolished and his actions You know one or the other time It's not really In consonance with the things that he's saying I mean, what do you make of this behavior and the pdp? One would think that the pdp is an opposition a big opposition And then they should have understood the times and ensure that there are no frackers in the party Especially ahead of the 2023 election. But of course you have all the political parties if if you were A very serious christian that is against any form of deceit either in spoken word Or by action Do you understand me you will hate messy on the football pitch because he makes you feel he's going this way And then you want to go he goes the other way. So he's like he's deceitful So a christian those very tight christians can feel this guy is he's not truthful He's not honest. He deceives people So and the person will be right But you know that that one and now waiting for bobby You understand me What wiki is doing wiki is because getting skilled In politics and politicking. So you say he's a dribbler and he's applying Yes, he's a dribbler He's becoming a skillful dribbler. He knows that You can't put all your heads in one basket. He knows that these guys are coming He's getting a lot of intel. So he's putting himself in a situation Did you see today apc will come and you know address him tomorrow? He's become a maker of some sort as you think of pbp. He's got to think of his life He's going to talk to think of his party his future. He's going to think of his state and his stake wiki does not want to be a national these At this point. He wants to be the king of river state He has a man that is looking over his shoulders in the person of amici Can you see what is going on in a apc in in river state? wiki has got his hands. I just say this with every sense of response. He's got his hands in all the price wiki is thinking of his life himself and you know, politics is a game of interest How do you for instance? You may not understand this But if you were in akwaibom, you can wrap your head around the fact that akbabio is in apc because akbabio is pdp Everything about akbabio everything about pdp. You can trace it largely back to akbabio. Do you understand me? But he is not in pdp He's in apc and don't be surprised that he wake up tomorrow and they say well the guy has come back to bdp You get the point. So for them party is just vehicles. You want to go to abuja. You can use any airline You're in legos You can use any airline important things you want to go to legos and then somebody says oh you've been flying a dc You're not a dc now a dc is later You've been flying a was a ebom air ebom air. Why are you now going to a rick air? And you're like bros. I won't go legos. I'm not a shareholder in ebom air. We're just I just patronize them Nobody is a shareholder in any party. They just patronize a party to take them where they want to go That is why article has been apc article is in pdp. Look at what has happened in cano Shekarao in how many months apc nnpp pdp and who knows it might just end up in a dc any of these days So you need please don't kill yourself We don't No, relax and watch these people Important thing is what is your own interest? Who best serves your own interest? Stop playing other people's game and start to play your game and that's what I tell nigerians Stop bothering about what wiki is doing wiki is playing his game and you're busy losing your What you should spend your time doing as a nigerian is of all these people Who best serves my interest if your interest is in education your lecturer or Within the academia who is giving you the sound bites that make sense All right We have to move on quickly architect is Interesting interesting points you've made but you know when I went when people sometimes will say well What kind of what interests are we talking about is a personal interest political interest or national interest and most times Nigerians will say well they want to see More of national interest being their number one reason why people do what they do not personal interest financial interests or political interest And so let's see how it plays out, but we have Headline on the front page of the leadership which I think you love to speak about which um has to do with uh What shatima said the vice presidential candidate or running meet on the presidential ticket of the all progressives congress He talked about himself as vice president taking charge of security in the country And some people have been upping arms in reaction to this One of those was uh governor ifa yokoa of the pdp who incidentally is uh shatima's Counter part or rival in the pdp He's of course doing what he has to do But um festus kiamo has replied ifa yokoa who has been talking a lot recently He also had to say some things about tempolo. Well, this is what kiamo says president can delegate vp to handle security Your thoughts please Yes, of course the president can delegate anybody to handle anything he has that constitutional right prerogative power And whatever you can call it but You know, I don't know if I know that the memory of man is treacherous But I don't know if shatima really believes that Nigerians forget too too too soon If I were him He speaks very well at the nba. He came across as somebody who is articulate and things like that If I were him, I will do everything humanly possible to avoid Being linked to security I will Because to a great extent true or false the insecurity of Nigeria today is being traced right down to him to a great extent Speculation it could be so why don't you just avoid that topic completely? Talk in terms of what you can do. Why would you want to? tell me that Nigeria would want to entrust you with the security of Nigeria Haba Haba I think Mr. Tunibu Should have his strategist tell him that you know This guy shone brightly at the nba aside from his dressing anyway, but I don't know who am I? I'm an old man. Maybe it was a new fashion sense and at 58 probably not as current But aside from his dressing He sounded quite articulate and pretty impressive So why don't we look at roles within that area that Nigerians can be distracted and they will look the other way Why would he of all people come to talk to us about security? I think that guy she does rely on because Let him do a Opinion sampling And get to know what Nigerians think of him and security That's the advice I would give whatever is the result of that poll they should take it religiously We need to go now Mr. Kanya, I took thank you so much I mean it feels like we should continue this conversation But time is not our friend at this point. Thank you so much Mr. Kanya, I love seeing you, you know national tv and We interact with you almost every weekend and you're quite fashionable Oh, well, I'm not sure he hit okay. Maybe he really had that But you know, but this is one thing I just want to say I mean No, I needed to know if it was, you know, how you Hit somebody from the other side or it was a fact So I was trying to look at your face and see if you were making fun of me or you No, no, no, no, no, he meant it No, he meant it. I mean coffee will mean it when he says that he means we look up to you so, you know Well, I just hope that, you know, all of the eloquence that we're experiencing with some of these candidates and people because that's not it We have seen governors. They're very, you know, eloquent. They sound very intelligent. They are very smart But that hasn't translated to development and, you know, We are 20 But but you but you also understand where I'm coming from. I mean, we we know some of this But nothing to show for I know message referring to all the candidates, so let's leave that That's how much we can take now. Thank you so much. It's a kind of I took we'll come back to you next week. Thanks. No more What a pleasure and privilege. Thank you Well, that's the size of the press quite interesting mess. We came with a zika and I took every other time And we will definitely return with uh off the press tomorrow We'll take a breakdown when we return the time for us to look at that first major conversation above just before then Let's tell you what happened today in history the first day in the month of september