 Well, I mentioned that we started up the service design network chapter Here in st. Louis and that would be one of my first recommendations is join the service design network of find peers Find the other people who are doing service design. You can learn from them. There's a there's a wonderful community That's emerged over the past few years that is focused on this There are tons of people practicing it there It's an organizational imperative in many organizations to figure this out not just customer centricity, but digital transformation there's a lot of Services that have been done in manual ways that are needing to move to digital delivery need to Be enabled by mobile devices. There are a ton of really fascinating interesting problems that need to be solved Yeah, so I'd say first step would be find those peers find those people who are doing it and start learning from them And we have here in st. Louis and probably anywhere else where there's a service design Chapter there will be events where you'll have people coming in our next one is on citizen focus service design so we've got people coming in to actually talk about government and design for citizens how do you design government services for With citizens in mind, so there's a there's just so much Exciting stuff going on. I think and that's for me. That's the first stop join the community become the community Yeah, yeah, actually, yeah