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Usually we like to start from the home front with regards to how we're delving to all the integrity of what it is that we have on the menu to serve you guys today. But we even have it bigger this evening right here on Plot Sports. Over the course of the last seven days or there about there's been a blockbuster interview that did go down on the sky. It was between Gary Neville and England midfielder Dilly Alley. Of course we all know Dilly Alley. He used to be at Spores played in Turkey recently. And of course I mean recently the stories about his career have been more about how top seat of it has been. You know at 20 was on top of the world. You know the next Frank Lampard he was starting for England week in week out was one of the mainstays in Mauritius Portetino side at White Heart Lane. But unfortunately you know after a drop in form a couple of injuries it seems like he has struggled to hit those heights that he hits at the start of his career. And you know some information they've come to light. You know from the interview that he did with Gary Neville just last week or I mean he did interview earlier it was released last week. And you know the whole world has been you know shocked by some of the things that he's revealed. You know with regards to you know some you know trauma that he says he has you know suffered whilst being you know younger as a young boy at the time that he spent in Nigeria. Supposedly as a punishment from his father at the time whilst he was younger. For those who know there was a time when he started his career he used to wear Alley at the back of his jersey as most players do wearing their son names. And then you know all of a sudden he changed the daily and the story at the time was that he didn't feel enough connection with the Alley name and that he didn't think that it was deserving to be on his jersey especially as he had become a worldwide superstar. In reacting to that interview with Gary Neville there's been an exclusive story that was dropped by journalist in Nigeria, journalist based in France on ojbsports.com. That has been making a round over the last couple of days and joining us today to discuss all of the details and to react to that interview is a spokesperson for the Delia Lee family right here in Nigeria. We have Otumba Johnson-Oluwu and his son Stom-Oluwu who are relatives of the former Tottenham Horsesport midfielder joining us live on the show today. Otumba, good evening, thanks for joining us on the show. Good evening and I'm not in Nigeria at the moment I'm somewhere here. Alright, fun. And this is my son Stom-Oluwu. And I speak to you. And I'm Otumba Ujio-Oluwu. Alright. Thank you very much for that correction Otumba-Oluwu. And I start with you Otumba as we delve into all of this. I know that you've seen the interview or at various you've read except from that conversation that Delia Lee had with Gary Devill last week. What was your first reaction when you came across that interview? I'll let my son respond first then I can just come into it because he is the one that wrote the story on his Instagram page and sent all the pictures to counter what Delia said on the Gary Devill show. And his page has been blocked for two days by Instagram. So yeah, when we first saw the interview we sat here family watched it. And to be frank we were quite shocked some of the things that were said by Delia himself ranging from the punishment trip to Nigeria he said selling drugs, his mom being an alcoholic 80 to 90% of that interview to me was purely false and misleading. But obviously the majority of people don't know his family and they only know his acclaimed family, the Hickford's so it's going to be very easy to believe what was said so hence why we're here now, countering that. Alright, so let's start from the beginning, right? Like you said the whole family was shocked having heard some of the things he said. What actually happened? How was Delia's childhood? I know that he started growing up in the UK then came to Nigeria. What exactly happened during that time? Yeah, Delia was born in the UK in Munkins in the same town that I was born and raised in and he was there for a few years or his dad decided to move into Nigeria to stay with him as that's where his dad was working at the time his dad put out the right decision because obviously any parent would want their son around them and yeah, Delia was there he went to one of the best private schools in Nigeria it was paid for, it cost $30,000 What's the name sir? I've been seen at the end of the country club in Ikeja and the school cost the fees of 30,000 per year I did the research myself and the photos are uploaded you can see Delia around a host of interracial and foreign classmates so it seems to me like to say he was sent out by the punishment is a bit absurd seeing as he was in a very good school he would have had somebody take him to school he would have had somebody make sure that his life around the time was very organized, a very high class Nigeria you know I'm sorry Alright Storm, so I've spoken to people who have opinions, different opinions with regards to the initial claims and of course the reaction from yourself and of course the family generally and we've heard a lot of stories a lot of tales from people who have lived abroad who were born abroad where there are African parents threatening them when they misbehave or they have bad grades and the parents say I'm going to send you back to Africa so you could get some discipline you know so one of the feelings, one of the reactions I got was sending him back to Africa regardless of how posh his life was here in Nigeria just the intent to send him to Africa could have still been a punishment you know so how do you react to that well you see obviously there's a stigma about foreign African kids getting sent back as a punishment in this case then he wasn't sent anywhere he was taken with his dad to go and live with his dad where it was convenient for his dad to keep an eye and raise him you know and this is before the ages of seven before the ages of eight when he's still a young kid so what seven, six years old is getting punished by getting sent to Africa it's quite evident that he was only there just to be supervised by his dad so I don't see it as a punishment I think that's very misleading to say and yeah alright so you said he was brought to be with his dad do you know why he was brought back to Nigeria if he was in punishment because his dad works in Nigeria, Texas and Canada and not the UK and it was convenient for his dad to have his son where he's working and where he lives so that's why he brought Danny back with him so where was his mum at the time in all of this the mum was from Milton Keynes that's where she lives that's where she's a white lady he has two other sisters and she's a white lady from Milton Keynes that's where she works and that's where she knows alright so you're saying categorically that she wasn't an alcoholic and that was not why she was brought back to Nigeria my counter to that alcoholism claims is Danny has two older siblings from the two older siblings two other sisters they've never been removed from the home by child protection services there's nothing ever come out from that house about them being under an alcoholic parent or abused so how sort of free kids for now more why is Danny the one that's noticed that she's an alcoholic and why is no one else that's spoke about that why is the court and the community not going to go and social services to run them from the house so there's not ever been an alcoholic legally so stop before I go to Otumba briefly from your perspective, why do you think Danny would have made these claims publicly at the level of the kind of platform in which he's gone on to go do it my dad can delve more into that but as a basis more to do with the fact that everything he's saying is being controlled by the hip family he's not really saying everything he's saying is being broadcasted through them and being voiced by them but just using Danny as a platform I feel like it's a way to kind of revive his career that he has and in a way look for some sympathy and an excuse really so quickly how did he go from he was in Nigeria with his dad believing in a good life going to a good school he got what he wanted, when he wanted, I presume how did he go from there to being in foster care I believe he was in foster care my dad can explain that Otumba good evening yeah so it depends on what you want to know and where you want to start to be honest so the reason I'm going to the foster care part of it now is because clearly like Storm just mentioned there was never anything to do with any foster care Delia has never been in foster care they don't document in the UK or from any council in the UK that can confirm to you or anybody in this world that Delia Lee has been in foster care or adopted go and do your research we have a lot of investigative journalism they can go check it out so Otumba what's with the other family that has been that their name has propped up a lot in this conversation how did that come about I'll start by saying Kenny is a very very good relatives of mine we went to Secondary school together in Maryland in Nigeria junior in school we lived in Milton Keynes together in the UK you know so every day he still lives in Milton Keynes that was still living in Milton Keynes and they came to England I think in the 90s for education purpose they were doing their masters and they were living in Milton Keynes Kenny met Delia's mom in the night and Delia was born but Delia's mom had two older sisters before then that she was looking after and when Kenny finished his masters he had to go back to Nigeria for whatever reason but no because he's not British he came here to study he came to England to study so he decided to take Delia because maybe he knew that the mom doesn't have the facilities to give his son that's quality of life and he gave Delia that to Nigeria and he met his new wife who is an American Nigerian lady in Nigeria we did it there and him and the wife got married in Nigeria and Delia was the best man I will send you the pictures of his father and his new wife and they both left with the editor with the wife to live in America in Houston where he still lives today up till now Delia in Houston was not comfortable because he said he doesn't want to play basketball he wants to play football and the mom and the dad the dad called the mom in England this is what your son wants to do I'm going to bring it back to England and take his dad's football career so his father brought him back to England maybe age 12 I think and gave him back to his mom and he goes with him and we are all there, we all see it because that happens working I'm a football agent everything that was happening and at that time it was 12 there's no football, there's nothing he went to school with an army the schoolmates and friends same way as your friend Chris Carter so this is normal for kids to mix together so Delia goes to their house and knows her stuff maybe they're more opponents in their house and for kids they want to be in a comfortable environment, they want to play their games Delia's mom is not financially buoyant she lives in a council she has two other kids so the boy prefers to stay with his friend which is normal for the kids it's normal for you when your mom passed Chris's mom used to come and pick you up and I've started warning you that don't let Delia come to you is that what I've been telling you from the kids yes so this is normal mixing with the other kids from what background is normal and we encourage that because we live in a very very liberal society now but we didn't know this was going to turn into grooming the child we only believed that you only get groomed for sex we don't know you're going to get groomed to be taken advantage of financially as a kid so when Delia was being an athlete and Harry was being in the same team he wasn't leaving with them he was going back home every day and when Delia was 15 on a particular day they did not drop Delia home and the mom called Kendi Kendi was in Houston and said to Kendi these people have not dropped my child and Kendi called Alan Pickford Kendi has their house number from Houston and Alan said oh no the kids are just playing and Kendi was comfortable because these are people that he had their numbers he called the house, he goes to the house the mother fit in the garden and they drink tea together when the kids are playing football so you wouldn't suspect that the people that welcomed you in the house, welcomed your child are they going to do like this so he said to Delia's mom that why are you getting worried because he's only with his friends I've spoken to them they're not in every Wednesday they stay they stay there every Wednesday because that's when they go training for football and Delia's mom doesn't have a car and they volunteer to drop anymore for hope not to be keeping him in the house so when Delia was turning to 16 NK Dunst invited Delia's dad from America to come to New York and they said to him that your son is doing well and we think that you should sign a letter of consent or what they call power of attorney power of attorney to us so we can look after him properly and Kenny told them categorically that I'm not going to sign any documentation for you I want my son to be successful playing football what the most important thing to me is education for my son so football is fine but I still want my son to go to school I want to do football that was the error that KD apparently made because they just want his son for football they didn't want no education but Kenny did not know the danger that was coming he went back to America they continued playing his football so the coaches now just came in and planning with the family that brings Delia to training how are they going to snatch him away from parents they've got an agent who's name is Rob Siegel I'm quoting them so they can go and sweep me from behind and Rob Siegel was the agent for Carl Robinson who was the coach at MK Johnson at that time and they did the deal for Delia and me to talk to his parents, to talk nobody to take forward standing as his family and since that day Delia has been avoiding everybody I took, we did we got Delia that came from America like 7 years ago and they planted it in the mules that Delia's mom is an alcoholic so that they can blaspheme people and do what they've been doing turn the world against her from beginning the woman became a reckless she can't come out of her house she has to give up her job because everybody sees her as somebody that you know, even women that gave up her son so the woman has been suffering for many years even Kenny, there's no mind to why it's still the person that's helping her to be from America you know, making sure that she's okay we found out through investigative purposes where this is in and myself and Kenny 5 years ago 6 years ago 6 years ago drove in London like a detective and we located it property, which is a secured property Delia knows, Delia can see this is the mule and see what I'm like and we drove in there they didn't open the security gate we wait for a car to drive out of the place, then we drove in we parked and we saw the man who stood there and we saw Delia walking down from upstairs and me and Delia me and his father and Joshua we walked into it and the first thing Delia did because me and Delia didn't even think the dad was telling me the truth that we just understood the first thing Delia did was out his car I was amazed I told him when I came up I was amazed and his girlfriend was there Ruby made she can testify to what I'm saying she's the witness and introduced the girl to his dad and he said to the girl to go upstairs and me and his dad went downstairs to his room, to his house went trophy room downstairs and his dad was saying Delia went in he couldn't go upstairs I told everybody knows I mean Iqford was not in the outside Iqford said he gave his dad his new number I said to Dad stay in this house he said he was going to train and his dad is not in he said don't worry I'll see you tomorrow you know that tomorrow Gary Iqford has been told that Delia's dad has come we have not seen him in here two years later again they moved him they keep moving him again his father came from America another address in North London those people rented the property they were paying 30,000 in rent when this was happening he was already playing for MK dongs right no this is all that's touching him they've already moved him from MK dongs he was already playing in the Premier League yes interested he has already gone to the World Cup I was in his house with his dad it's real that Kenny tell Delia that I said that I tell him to stay alive and I'll show him all the videos in his house and he couldn't look at that in his face he's been dropped up the boy is suffering the old boys need to help Delia and that's the truth he's been groomed just because of his love for football he's suffering with speaking truth so they've groomed him they wanted to play football and they didn't know he's going to make him lose his family that's why he's not been playing well he's not going to mess up so of course when he moved to Spores he was having a good time I presume he was in a good control when he moved to Spores when he was 18 before it was when this happened at MK dongs his father said he was not signing any documents so they went on to do whatever they did to send him to Tottenham for 7 or 8 million at 18 so the day Delia told his dad that Tottenham wanted to buy him Delia himself called his dad in Houston and said this is happening and my son called me and said this is happening and said this is happening you come down here because it's going to be 18th birthday when you come here we'll see what's happening when Kenny landed at the same day the Iqford family organized their 18th birthday party for Delia in Turkey and went on the private jet that's what happened so they were deliberately separating him from his family go and check all my stories and check whether they did not fly and when Delia and his father is ready to come after it because we want the authorities to tell Delia and the club to go and seek independent you know question or Gary Neville we didn't bring any story out he went to Gary Neville not a voluntary interview an interview sponsored by Skypet so someone has been paid huge amount of money for this interview Gary Neville got 5 million views so Delia is a mood and now we couldn't do anything for 7 years because the gag dust is what has spent over $200,000 it's got all the documents the gag dust in the UK because they planted a false story in the newspapers that Delia and his mom is an alcoholic so that they can send it when it was 18th so Otumba let's just circle back a little bit so you said his mom became a recluse because obviously there was a lot of stigma and all of the negative press that she had gotten if you grant me a minute I can call Sai Wali who is coming to me and he will be with Delia and his mother now that would be fantastic let me try fantastic one looks like this is even going to be more bumper than we thought but we are getting real time information about Delia and his growth I'm calling him on video call I hope he picks up how everything has happened this is not a matter of money this is a matter of welfare this is Taiwo I'm speaking lies to Wali Agwedet to Nigerian TV this is Delia and his blood uncle this is the twin of Kenny and Delia and his dad so I'm going to pass it to Taiwo it's been a few minutes and you are going to Delia's phone I want you to continue this interview with Mr Agwedet good evening Mr Taiwo how are you doing today fantastic great to know that you are with his mom how is she doing is she well fantastic Otumba was just telling us about all the negative press that she got that claim was made that she is an alcoholic a claim that Delia himself has gone on to confirm in that interview with Gary Neville last week what do you have to say about this you are literally with her right now can you confirm to the world to Nigerians and the whole world that his mom is fine and not an alcoholic of course obviously the mom is fine she is not going to confirm that she is not an alcoholic so I'm going to say so however she is still fighting anyway so I'm just going to see her meet up with her in a few minutes before this interview with Gary Neville I will let you go in a minute Mr Taiwo before this interview there has been all the negative press surrounding the suggestion of alcoholism how has she taken it over the years and what has she done to clear this up because she still has a long life to live ahead of her well obviously she is a poor woman she is just trying to live her life in her own simple way when you are being confronted with powerful people over a year things are different to the way it is done in Africa even though the Africans don't believe certain things are happening so there are powers to be you are contending with people with connections people who have the media at their disposal they put the gagging on us through the courts for 7 years so there isn't much that she can do anyway so she is just trying to live her life in a simple way thank you very much Mr Taiwo Ali for giving us a little bit of your time this evening you're welcome alright fantastic I will call you after the interview okay thank you alright that was quite revealing Mr Taiwo Ali describes Deliz Mom as a poor woman who is just trying to live her life as peacefully as possible a simple woman if they cry for anyone to be poor because you are poor they are going to steal your child because they are poor people who are going to cry for someone to steal someone's child I would to believe that all the wealth that Deliz must have amassed from being a Premier League player has not rubbed off on his mom at all even though she is literally in the United Kingdom with him listen all what I am coming here to say is going not to do with finance is going to do about a very young boy that is family cousins all the people you see in his life from the very young age I will say to my son as well his father brought him to Nigeria showed him our culture done the right thing that you should do for a child like this sent him into nice good schools you know all the family embraced him and this is what you get is saddening this is not about money this is sad this evening I really do appreciate your time what is the plan of the family now because I mean the family they don't have any plan the only plan is Deliz is the one and the people behind him that went to do an interview on Karinev that said all this allegation we didn't say nothing his father decided that let this boy just continue his career let him just spoil my name and we left him alone okay go and he's an adult and the man has gone with his life we are going up to our lives nobody is begging Deliz for anything we don't need nothing for it then when your career is declining and they're giving you drugs they've messed up your head I'm a football legend I know all the problems you've had you've been tested positive for drugs at Tottenham tested positive for drugs at Everton the family behind you are coughing it up and destroying your life and they're coming to use the family as good for all these problems that is why we are out here we are not out here for dealing with money we want Karinev to invite Deliz it is supposedly a very good family that helped him on that same seat invite Kenny from Houston on that same seat invite Deliz on the same seat don't face the world and speak that's how they can help me Stem you want me to chip in something yeah I said yeah that's exactly what they should do everyone should be there and speak together anyone who wants to lie should lie in front of the whole world alright thank you very much Otumba it's been absolutely a pleasure to speak to you this evening to air your side of everything that has happened one more thing to say that I'm an Otumba man I'm an elder and I work in football African parents must be careful about training because there is someone who plays football or they want to do music they just give people the sound you know because they want money we can't continue to do this to our kids it's unfair and a lot of pressure on them it's bad please all of us we have to change our economy alright the new president said the most important thing for all Nigerians is our mentality we all have to change our mentality for our country to change for our children to understand this mentality of us that we want to take our family our kids have to help us is crazy because that's what you see on the internet oh because of his money because of they like this dad he's a very successful man both in the US and in Nigeria on the same island that you are broadcasting I have properties I'm not in England now I have properties where I am I have properties where my kids live in England so this is not about the money this is about a child that has been groomed systematically by a white family if a black family tries this in England they will never see freedom in their life never this is adoption systematic adoption and grooming for financial gain simple, it's not just sex that they take advantage of young people now they are taking advantage of us our profession musician, sports athletes even people with education they are stealing our cancer, stealing our doctors everything we have they are taking from us we are just sitting down all money on the internet come on man I don't have time for that rubbish alright of course I don't thank you very much thank you very much thank you very much all you can do for us is make sure the old world asks for the true story of the day that they take all the parents left and right, come on the same that you went to say this thing what is the problem with that that's the simplest thing that you collected money for this show so they want to just say one side of the story and they don't want to say the other side alright thank you very much of course we are interested in both sides and that's why we have brought Otumba and Storm right here on the show it's been absolutely quite revealing all the things that we've heard this evening from relatives of former sports, former Everton and of course last season was at Besiktas, Medfield at Delhi Ali who of course has played for the three Lions of England came from MK Dones, made that big move when he was 18 and now all the stories surrounding his life with regards to drugs which he did admit to although his timeline is quite different from the timeline that his family have said for you know when he has supposedly been involved with drugs and everything is just really really murky of course he talked about he made a claim about sexual assault of him when he was a minor when he was about 6 years old and it's just really really really messy we do hope that this clears up as soon as possible especially for the player and for the family so that everybody moves on in peace but of course if the family says that they do want to clear this up publicly as daily as you know taking the families in public I think they do have a right to and we'll see how he pans out we'll follow up with his story and of course if it need be we'll get storm and October we'll write back here on your screen. It's been a bumper a bit additional plus points on plus TV