 Welcome to the Adam does movies podcast. I'm Adam today. I want to talk about actors Specifically the importance of their roles and characters they play in films are the untouchable sometimes Do they need to be replaced in others? Can they be replaced in some? That's what I want to go over the writer's strike is of course going on and the actors strike is now happening What do we do next? We start building these people out of AI We start creating animated versions of them like they did with the new Indiana Jones film We have a spry young 80 year old Harrison Ford getting de-aged so that he's in his mid 30s or early 40s It's um, it's a weird time. It's a weird time to be alive It's a weird time to be an actor I suppose and to be a fan of movies in general because as I get older I start to see some of my favorite, you know on-screen heroes Start to age up a lot. I mean I my wife watches the Sylvester Stallone TV show. I guess it's not his It's his daughter's show, but he's in it a lot. I'm not sure what it's even called the Stallone's probably something Very uncreative like that. Anyway, it's a reality TV show that follows his beautiful girls and him and man It sucks watching people get older. It really does. That's that's Rambo That's Rocky Balboa who's carving a pumpkin with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Those guys used to be rivals back in the day They were fighting for roles. That's the Terminator showing them how to take seeds out of a a damn squash it's it's a sad and it's It's even more important to kind of look back on the roles that they were in and discuss What we do about the futures of these properties. Are we gonna see another Terminator in 10 years? That's going to be a reboot of the James Cameron masterpiece We're gonna get that back to the future remake Probably gonna be on Marty McFly's daughter or you know, whatever they end up doing. Well, Robert Semeckis and his buddy What is his name? I wrote it down here Rob Gale They still own the rights to this Robert Semeckis said over my dead body at one point and so Holly was just waiting there like we can wait We can wait, but we'll get there. We always get there Yeah, so I thought it would be fun to kind of look at specific characters Specific properties and talk about the actors involved and what a great job They did first of all and secondly how they made it almost an impossible task to do a new version I'll touch upon some movies as well but mainly I want to talk about the actors themselves because of what's going on right now and If you're wanting to wondering my opinion about the actor strike the writer strike I Leave it up to what I'm hearing and that is they're not being fairly compensated And of course a blue-collar worker or someone that works a lot of hours like myself Obviously, thanks. Well, they're making a ton of money. So I mean I maybe I should go on strike But it's not really the same thing is it if you're in an industry Primarily housed in a very expensive state and the higher-ups are taking Massive amounts of the revenue and you're working your butt off for very little compensation There needs to be fair play here and I don't know enough to you know, just like throw out a sign myself, but I will always stand for the workers So yeah in that sense absolutely, you know, get what you deserve writers get what you deserve actors And of course the cynical part of all of us will say well movies suck now They're not writing them like they used to they're they're half-assing these things and Sometimes yeah, that's true but I'm old enough to remember movies from the 80s and the 90s and There's a lot of bad movies and a lot of bad writing that came out of those eras too It's just dependent on a lot of different factors For instance, I just watched Alien 3 a few hours ago that movie sucks I know some people like it and I heard the assembly cuts better I'm gonna give that a chance But I don't like that film and the behind-the-scenes on that movie is absolutely stunning Rewrites up the wazoo fox was sending right rewrites on the day of shooting into production David Fincher who was brought on to try to fix this mess was writing scenes While they were filming other scenes just a complete nightmare scenario. So yeah, writing doesn't always translate from the first Draft to the final product. Sometimes there's 8,000 rewrites and it's even happening while the movie's being shot But let's focus Okay, there's a new Wonka trailer out right now Starring Timothy Chalamet. I said his name right. He's got a fancy name It's kind of the up-and-coming hotness. I guess with the ladies I haven't seen him in anything that I was too impressed with so far. He's in Dune That's about it that I know of I'm sure he's in some indie film that got a lot of praise that I didn't watch because You know, I just don't have time for everything, but he's gonna be Wonka Now we've had two other versions of Wonka and this is of course based on the novel from 1964 by Roland Dahl Roll Dahl, Rald Dahl, raw dog. I don't know how you say it. Rald Dahl, I think he's done some good books But I'm a movie guy. So I mispronounce movie characters and actors. That's that's my job Gene Wilder played this role of Willy Wonka so damn perfectly I think it's foolish for anyone else to try but try they are Then we had the version by Johnny Depp in that terrible Tim Burton film Some people said that it's closer to the book that Gene Wilder went a little off script off page Yeah, that might be so but man was that performance good. I like the movie I don't love the movie, but I love his performance in that film so damn much and it was heartbreaking to see him I don't know what year this was He was definitely on a very old side of things But he was interviewed about the Johnny Depp movie and he said he didn't really like Tim Burton films He likes Tim Burton, but not the movies that he does It's not his cup of tea and he was very down on Johnny Depp playing the character And I'm sure how could you not be if you're an actor and you're working a year two years maybe on a role You're gonna get intimate with that role You're gonna give it your all a lot of times unless you're Dwayne Johnson Then you just play yourself over and over again But a lot of actors will really get into character and when you see that in a decade or two decades later They're rebooting the whole thing. You've aged up a lot How are you gonna react other than? Damn, that sucks. I thought I kind of had this You know, I thought I thought I had this untouchable performance that couldn't be matched or replicated and so yeah, you take it personal and That's sometimes how I look at some of these characters even as I get older with them I brought up how it's sad seeing Stallone and Schwarzenegger working together on a damn pumpkin We got Cobra over here It's it's it's a little tough to watch But then I've tried to pull myself back and say well those movies will always exist and It's our jobs as we become parents or grandparents and Movie fans of course to introduce the new kids to the older flicks To those old Rocky movies When the new Rocky comes out in 30 years and he's fighting an alien in space We can look back and say hey kids This is a far cry for what we have from sliced alone Then they say who sliced alone and you smack them around a little bit like how dare you how dare you Petra? Names in the future are gonna be very weird. They're gonna be very different Someone listening is named Petra. I mean took huge offense to it. I apologize So I mentioned Indiana Jones Indiana bones as I like to say because Harrison Ford is old as dirt He's playing the character still That doesn't work for me now. This is kind of an interesting thing much like Rocky Indiana Jones is its own thing. It's it's a brand new character developed with George Lucas and Spielberg based on some other things that they loved growing up some pulpy Serialized shows and novels what not so this is a brand new character and they picked Harrison Ford for this dude So if they ever make a new Indiana Jones, they really are trying to replicate Harrison Ford's performance that is what they have that is the source material in that instance So whenever people say to me Adam, why did they do this? They should have been done and they should have recast with a younger guy Get a Chris Pratt or a Bradley Cooper or someone even younger to play a Harrison Ford's character I just say why? Indiana Jones doesn't need to keep being made Make something else This was a character created for Harrison Ford in mind He tried out for the role. He got the role and he did a perfect job. I mean he he couldn't screw it up, right? He made it his own. I Just think yeah, Bradley Cooper can be a totally different dude With a whip and a hat and a jacket and an attitude. It doesn't have to be called Indiana Jones Call it max You know powers or whatever so something Homer Simpson would come up with set it in the same type of style have him Sprelunky and have him taking treasure having punched Nazis. That's all fine and well even you could even put it in the Indiana Jones Universe I just don't see why you have to keep going with the name, but of course It's all about making money too, right You can't be that naive and the name Indiana Jones is the the property. That's what sells maybe not so much now I don't think the new one's doing that great, but again, I think that this type of character is a young man's game You know, you don't want to watch a 70 or 80 year old dude Whip in and jumping off things. It doesn't it doesn't have any believability And I know the character is pulpy larger than life over the top It is supposed to subvert, you know believability a little bit But I got to have something to connect to and an old guy in his boxers Kind of like telling the neighbors to keep it down That doesn't make me feel that energy that I look for in an Indiana Jones movie and where I land on that is Just leave it We had three amazing movies and then we had crystal skull and then we had the dial of destiny So we tried we tried keeping this guy going and with Ford and other actors of his ilk It really is a presence on screen that you can't replicate. We don't have the technology yet Even through CG. It's getting close though. I mean my god He looked pretty good in that flash in that flashback at the beginning of Indiana Jones and the dollar destiny They do with some D aging deep fake crap. It's I mean, I'd say 80 85 percent there They will get it very very close to a scary degree And if they use shadows and stuff, right? I mean, it's it's gonna be more like 95 percent already if they play their lighting, right? My point is They keep dragging these guys out Rocky, you know, you have Sylvester Stallone in creed one and two even he made five rocky movies No, six rocky movies and then two creed movies before he was kind of ushered out unceremoniously at the end of Creed 2 but may Leave it alone Sometimes we have to let the art sit and that is the challenge for Hollywood and it's also a challenge for viewers Because even myself There's a part of me that gets excited when I hear that someone's coming back Because you have trained your brain to remember that character from a long time ago, of course We still have Tom Cruise out there doing it Mission impossible sevens out dead reckoning part one. So Tom Cruise is gonna do it again He's gonna put his life on the line for a couple spectacular stunts again, and this guy's he's in his 60s, right? He's no spring chicken still looks fantastic, of course He's still in great shape, but there is a breaking point for everyone Literally when it comes to the body, and I don't want to see the man Get killed because he tried to fight a bull or something ridiculous, you know, wherever he thinks he needs to go But then there's that part of me that does not the killing part But the fighting the bull or whatever he has to do to entertain us We want to keep seeing the heroes on screen do cool stuff bring us back to a time when we were at our best And a lot of people relate that they equate equate that to watching films. Oh Man, I remember when Neo was fighting agent Smith for the first time and how cool it was and how Keanu had such an awesome You know look to him with the shades and the jacket and then we fast-forward all these years later to matrix Whatever that regurgit regurgitations or whatever that terrible movie was called and it just hits you in the stomach Just hits you like a ton of bricks and that's the problem now Every time we unearth these bones and bring these guys back for one last ride. It's never the ride. We want it to be It's always so Disappointing Keaton got out of it pretty unscathed with the flash Lot of people. I mean, I shouldn't say a lot I think it was pretty split if you liked the movie or not But I think most people would say Keaton was still fantastic. His Batman was still awesome he didn't Kill himself in some ridiculous way or choose not to fight crime or subvert Expectations like we've seen some from other properties like Luke Skywalker for instance in The Last Jedi a movie that will forever Be buried into my soul as one of the worst movies I've seen one of the worst character Assassinations I've ever seen and again, there's people that like that film. That's perfectly fine. We have our reasons We have our justifications It's subjective artists objective. Obviously They set out to make a great movie with it and they failed in my eyes But that's just that's just how it goes when they keep trying to bring these guys back and treat and keep trying to Change things up and make things fresh again. It rarely ever works. So then you have to look. What do we do? Do we reboot? Do we get new characters? Do we get new actors to play these characters? Do we have a son or daughter take over the property? Which is a thing you often see now Look at Terminator dark fate fell on its face, of course It's suckered people into the movie by saying John Connor was gonna be in it And then they take him out just as fast and then it turns into a soft reboot. I Myself don't really care. I thought the movie was fine. I Was on board with more Terminator films because I'd already been soured by Terminator since number three The last three movies before dark fate were such trash that I was just looking for a decent action movie There's really only two good Terminator films and that's it. Everything else is just money being made Arnold even admitted that in Terminator 3. He just took the money. He got like a 30 million dollar paycheck Because James Cameron who wanted nothing to do with it told Arnold to do it for the money Because then he said like there's gonna be a point where this isn't gonna be so easy for you And what he means is of course what we're seeing Actors are getting older. They're aging out of roles except for Tom Cruise who will he'll live forever I guess and just keep just keep doing his thing which I'm okay with I Wrote down some other characters that are either based on a property that came up before like a book or a show or whatever Or they're their own brand new things just to give you something to think about We got Sigourney Weaver an alien She was in four alien films I believe and I think she recently came out and said she's done. She's not doing anymore She's getting too old the ship has sailed. She was gonna be in one a couple years back I think it was the director that did district nine was attached to one and it fell through and Then Ridley Scott wanted to take over his own property again. So Ripley is no more Would you like to see that redone? Would you like to see a new Ripley actress? I personally wouldn't I personally think aliens fantastic Alien and aliens and I don't mind some of the other sequels even But I just don't need to see any more of it. Leave it leave it as an old book That you put on a shelf an old blu-ray or whatever that you can look to dust off once in a while show the grandkids They may not appreciate it like you and that's perfectly fair These movies especially when it's sci-fi or special effects, they're gonna age And they're not gonna age well in almost every single instance They're shooting Deadpool 3 or they were it's been shut down now because of the strikes going on Hugh Jackman's back This is not a spoiler. That's how they announced this. It's gonna be a road trip type comedy. I Was torn and I think a lot of people were because Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart had a beautiful flawless send-off in Logan the final chapter for that character Hugh Jackman has played Wolverine for like three decades Over the span of I don't even know six seven eight films. He's shown up in here and there and Patrick Stewart just as many and So it kind of sucked seeing both of them Again, this is where I go back and forth part of me is like oh awesome I like those guys, but then in the other parts me like no what why it was so good It would just leave it Patrick Stewart showed up and as a cameo in Dr. Strange 2 and he's killed off Incredibly quickly. I hated that whole sequence because they put in all these fan favorites or casting choices and just destroyed it What was the point? It just didn't do anything other than make people bummed out. I thought I might be alone on that one But again, it takes away from the sacrifice made in Logan where we see these characters go It was a touching experience, but now because of the multiverse and all this bullshit. Oh, they can come back This is another version and I think that's what they're saying with Logan in Deadpool 3 He's not the same Wolverine that we've seen or he is but he's from the earlier timeline. I don't know I just it's gonna be a hard hard one for me to watch. I think and they have they have a lot to prove here doesn't mean they can't and Then people say well Hugh Jackman is Wolverine. You can't replace him. They will replace him. There's no question This is a character that's based on comics that spanned multiple shows collectible cards movies There's zero percent chance. We won't get a new version of Wolverine at one point I remember when Mel Gibson back in the day was supposed to play Wolverine Years before the Hugh Jackman thing and Mel Gibson is nuts. He would have been a freaking awesome Wolverine So it's not like there isn't other actors that I don't think can do it It again goes back to the Gene Wilder thing I think for me and others where it just feels almost like a gut punch Hugh Jackman did make that character his own. Yes, he was way too tall Yes, he was a lot calmer than the character from the the comics and the shows But that was his interpretation. That's what he brought to the table and it worked really damn well and To recast him so quickly it just seems it's just it's brutal, you know Give it some time. Let us let us let us more in the loss of Wolverine But then the other part of me thinks that's selfish. That's not fair There's not not everyone liked Hugh Jackman's interpretation not everyone thought that that was the gold standard So let them have their version, you know, we reboot Batman every four or five years It seems like we've done spider-man several times. We've had multiple supermans now Why is you know, why is Logan off the table? And it's more I think a testament to how much people cared about that character and how he was portrayed by Hugh Jackman than anything else and that's not to discredit, you know, Michael Keaton is Batman or Val Kilmer or Christian Bale or George Clooney, everybody loves George Clooney as Batman. I think that he was the the peak Okay, maybe not maybe not that one I brought up Stallone. Are we gonna get a Rocky reboot? Are we gonna get a Rambo reboot? Dear God? I hope not. I really do think some characters are sacred. I Really do think that some of them can just be left alone Bruce Willis diehard John McLean himself Obviously, he's incredibly, you know, he's got a disease now. It's not going well and that is awful So he's not gonna be coming back for one last ride. We're not gonna be seeing an 80 year old John McLean Picking up the gun for one last run, you know, he's not gonna be going back to knock it knock What does it knock it to me plaza looking up and saying this feels familiar Our guy'll bring the car around we got a job to do The Twinkie cop is back again Sergeant Al Powell No, no wait, and they they already threatened us. They already Said they were maybe gonna do a diehard reboot and that was years ago when Fox was still a thing It wasn't bought by Disney. I was clenching hard. It's like, don't you dare do this Don't you recast John McLean as a younger dude? Why? The whole point of John McLean's character is that he was an older gentleman not old by any means but middle-aged He's seen some shit. He's been through hard times in the world. He's kind of a blue-collar salt-of-the-earth guy He has a he has baggage with his wife. He's got two kids And he's just trying to make it through the day bad stuff happens and this every man has to get out of the Situation that's that's damn fun That's compelling stuff. That's interesting stuff to see a young buck John McLean going through like going through the The police academy and having to do his first job on the streets going down alleyways now I don't I don't want that. Please God. It's gonna be Timothy Chalamet who plays them Welcome to the party pal Huh, that's a good line. I should remember that wings at the camera yuck This doesn't just fall on action either. Look at comedies Jim Carrey as ace ventura Jim Carrey as the mask Why don't you say ventura ventura ventura? Why can't I remember how to say ace ventura? Yeah, ventura. Okay. Anyway, Jim Carrey is ace ventura Jim Carrey's ace ventura pet detective Jim Carrey is the mask they try doing a shitty sequel to the mask with jamie kennedy. Are you out of your mind? Anybody remember mask two? awful awful film Again the mask I don't believe started as a Jim Carrey vehicle I think that that is based on an older thing a novel or a comic or something. I really don't know about that one I do know this You're gonna be hard-pressed to find somebody does a better performance than Carrey himself ace ventura again Champions that he owns that role or these snl characters like Austin Powers based off some stuff and Mike Myers had Wayne's world We can get a Wayne's world down the road We will if hollywood looks at it and says there's money in these hills There's money with this property. How do we utilize it? Nostalgia is a is a tricky drug for people They claim they don't want it, but then they go out and see it Let's let's briefly wind down by some food for thought. I talked about actors I talked about possible solutions, which is to do the soft reboot if you really have to use the property's name Maybe just sunset the characters pass it on to the kids scream did that Halloween to an extent did that with jamie lee curtis Although I think that they just kind of wrapped it up nicely If you like that movie or not regardless jamie lee curtis had a a fitting end to our character Jurassic park The Jurassic world movies kind of blow the first one solid and they just get worse But they tied in the Jurassic park characters with it gave some of them conclusions as well even though we didn't need it So there's ways that they're doing these that kind of work are less insulting But for the most part they're they're pretty ham-fisted and pretty forced My suggestion though is leave some of these characters leave some of these properties alone They try doing a Han Solo spin-off solo with a different actor I didn't care for the movie that much. I didn't hate it But I have no desire to watch it and the guy was fine, but he was no Harrison Ford Regardless of what someone tells you he was no Harrison Ford Leave it leave the character alone. We have him. He's there. He's locked in place. He's in our memories We can choose to do with that what we will pass it down To generations or we just sit with it and grow old with it. And that's okay. Not everything needs to keep on going Uh Ghostbusters was another one where they tried to replicate it They tried to get that magic back But they swung a different direction. They said okay if the boys can do it Let's see if the ladies can do it again for a new generation They did not that movie is pretty awful And so then what did they do? They did the other thing on the other end of it. Okay. We tried going opposite Let's go back to nostalgia Ghostbusters afterlife. We're gonna bring the old dogs back for one more ride. Bill Murray's gonna fucking hold a Blaster whether he wants to or not He's got that proton pack on and he's gonna do this movie After refusing to do Ghostbusters 3 for three or four decades. He's back I didn't care for afterlife either by the way. I know people really like it and that's fine But I think a lot of it has to do with the emotional ending And it's not because of the character Egon. It's because of the actor being dead Harold Ramis and the the movie really Really pandered to that Really played that up and that felt like a disingenuous thing. It felt like something That was more about the actor and less about the character Godfather you want to see a godfather remake? I'm guessing most people shake their heads. No the shining based on a book Stephen King doesn't even like the movie It would it would be in his wheelhouse to remake it if he wanted I give myself a very hearty head shake. No on that one as well Jaws It probably will happen at some point And that would be that would be kind of sad to me because Jaws is That's like the playbook right there So many movies horrors thrillers whatever have not only mimicked The presentation of Jaws keeping the the villain in the shadows for the majority of the film But they period it they reference it It's a timeless movie Does that mean it has an age? Of course not But everything ages humans movies art it it all gets older Different mediums come along ways to improve things ways to enhance things But there's there there should be some respect given I think by the performances and by the films And that's where I stand don't remake these movies. They they just genuinely should not be touched And then of course the thing which they have remade which is the funny part The original thing came out in the I don't know the 40s or some shit And then you have the late 70s early 80s one with Kurt Russell, which is fan freaking tastic It's one of my favorite movies of all time. And then they did another version of the thing I didn't even see it. I haven't seen it. So I can't speak to the quality. I think it's a prequel The same name though because they like to do the bad naming in Hollywood as well Again, I didn't watch it. Maybe it's fine But why you know to what end does it serve? Okay, those are just a few examples of actors of movies And I was just kind of thinking about it all because of indiana jones because I saw that interview with gene wilder And and I just got to thinking about it like, you know, where is the line? Where do we draw it as fans of film? Where do we draw it as you know? appreciators of the art form as well What works for us doesn't work for everyone We'll probably get another version of the hunger games at one point We already know that harry potter is being rebooted for max With a new cast They'll probably dust off some of the old guys haven't come back as teachers or a glorified cameo They'll probably use the iconic music at some in some way To you know fuel that nostalgia, but at the same time they want to pretend This is a brand new thing they want they want to take it a different direction So they're going to marry the two things. That's my prediction. But who knows I'm not a big fan of that But I have to separate on this instance. I love the harry potter movies. There's people that don't they're avid book readers I've read the books. I love the books as well. I understand those differences But I don't get bothered by them. I think they work very well in the movie outside of the the last movie Which didn't really explain some of the stuff that was in it where you kind of had to read the book Like how we got the broken mirror, but I don't want to go into all of that Still love it Still one of my favorite franchises ever the fact that they were able to go from beginning to end with almost all the same cast Outside of ones that died and had to be replaced, which is depressing And the fact that the quality continued to stay consistently good or not great in most instances It's it's really a testament and they had different directors every time. I really should do a harry potter episode of this I think that would be fine. Maybe rank them and then talk about them or I'll do it on one of my I'll do it on one of my lives. 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