 Hi, welcome everyone. My name is Angela Mills. I work for the town of Amherst. We are holding on this meeting as we wait to achieve quorum. Many of us have reached out to other members to see if they could join in, but welcome to our attendees. Jonathan, I'm going to go ahead and give Kathy a phone call. Okay, thank you. Hello, Sean. Hey. Yeah, so if we do get quorum, I'm going to hop off and then hopefully come back. Well, at the moment, it's just you and me. We're in for Rupert. Can't remember if Ben's on this one or not. Mike will not be here, right? So we need Rupert and Kathy. Kathy the fourth. I think Ben's on the other one, right? I think so. Hello, Donna. Hello, everyone. We're waiting for quorum. Tim, we're clearly not in the same space. Pardon me. When you send out those invites going forward, make sure you do it from the calendar. And I can show you how if you need to know how. Margaret said she couldn't. I'll talk to you after. I just have been on 20 calls this morning. I haven't even gotten up or had lunch on or had lunch on. So these are our healthy snack delivery that we get through Blue Cross Blue Shields on pumpkin seeds, roasted, unsalted pumpkin seeds. I have an extra bag if you want one. Yeah, sure. Come and get it, right? Which actually we do need to show up soon. But I don't know if anyone, everyone knows this is Phillip with our office. You're going to see more, more people joining us from our team. Angela, were you able to reach Kathy? And if Rupert joins, you'll have quorum without me, right, Jonathan? One, two. Do you remember who the full committee was, Kathy? Kathy just joined the committee, subcommittee. She will assign herself to it. I've been the ex-officio member until now. Kathy, we're already recording and I've made you host. So thanks everyone for the teamwork. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I think at three we have a technical quorum and I would like to be able to have us be able to do some work. Hopefully Rupert will join so that Sean can go to his other meeting. But I don't know. But I think we should probably get started. Kathy, I don't mind chairing this one again for today, but as I had said at the last one, I would like to chair just one subcommittee. And so I will chair today and do my best to take some notes, which I need to do for my last meeting as well. But hopefully we may have to add another person to the committee. I'll officially add myself and I'm going to chair. I can block out the time easily. If you want to chair today, I'll take notes. Okay. And I think Margaret or Keznia is. So I sure I will chair. Okay. I'm calling them. Thank you. Madam, Madam chair, could you have Benium and. Yes. Thank you. Remote. That should bring them in. Thank you. Thank you. So I'm going to call the meeting to order and, you know, just as we look to the future of these subcommittees, I will try to send up, you know, we can double check to people that we haven't set up a time where they can't make it since I don't see Rupert here and neither Tammy or Allison. So I'm calling the meeting to order and I will first call on people to make sure they can hear and be heard, although we've all been talking to each other. So I thought, here's Rupert. Great. So Jonathan, here. Kathy is here. Sean here and Rupert. Yes, I'm here. I think that's great. Kathy. So if I believe you have quorum, I have to hop off for another meeting now that Rupert's joined. Do you have quorum without me? Let's just say we do. I'm going to try to get back at this on the main incident. Yeah, no, I think it's, you know, I think it's important to lay the issues on the table and start a discussion, Sean, and we're not making decisions now. So that's fine. All right. I will try to be back. Thank you. So Tim, I'm turning this over. Tim, Donna, Rick, I'm turning this over to you at this point. Great. Thank you. All right. Just to see where we are. The originally published agenda for this meeting was lobbies, entries and canopies. And there's a whole lot to talk about there in terms of the mechanics of how you enter the building, what needs to be accommodated in the lobby, everything from space for people to wait to display to the lost and found area. And we haven't had discussions with the administration staff yet. So we were in the process of scheduling all those meetings, as you know. So that part, we can't really talk about today. But there is some work that we've been doing as it relates to the changes in the site plan. So I'm starting to bring that to the screen. Kathy, if you would allow me to share my screen. Okay. Okay. I think I just did. Tell me if it didn't work. All right. So here we go. So a lot of our focus is going to be on the south entrance today from the bus drop off loop. As you recall, we adjusted both of the loops to sort of shift the center of gravity to the front of the building for pedestrians and walkers. But this is still the major entry for the building. Depending on how operationally the staff wants to use the building, it could be either morning drop off or just after the pick up or we have to have that discussion. But it remains an important part of the building. And then there's an important function in the service area. And we carried what we needed to carry at schematic design, but we want to develop to make sure that this entrance is welcoming and functions the way it has to. So just to review, this is what we carried for the service area, south entrance and canopy at the south of the building. It provided shade for one of the kindergarten rooms. It has a column because it was pretty sizable, which is a choirs of foundation. And then there was a canopy at the entrance itself in the same language to provide shelter from weather. Then we did have a small fence that was not shown here, but the service area is right here. So the dumpsters and the transformer will be here. And part of the reason that we heard for making those adjustments to the site plan in general, so the experience of all approaching the building would be the same. You wouldn't want a certain subset of the population going in past the dumpsters and certain going in, you know, the main front door that we've designed. So in an attempt to sort of make them more equal, we just want to look at a few studies that we've done today and and confirm with Rupert that everything that we're doing here is going to work with the operation of the building. This is just another closer to eye level view of what was included in the schematic documents. So we're looking now at ways to adjust it to one, simplify the canopy, because simple means less detailing and, you know, to cut to the chase, less money. It will still provide the shading that is required for the classrooms and shelter at the door. And then we also want to talk about what we could do in terms of a wall or fencing around the service area and still allow the staff to and deliveries and services that come to school to do what they need to do without obstruction. So this simplifies the canopy and that it's all at one level. It's maybe a little bit deeper in some areas. We've introduced a slight curve and something we want to talk about. There are no curves anywhere else on the building. Maybe that separates the north and south country. Maybe it does. It's just one of many ideas that we've looked at that we just want to put out there for consideration. Here is what it would look like from eye level, looking toward the south entrance of the building. Here you can see a solid wall that has extended almost to the drop off in the service area that the dumpster is open. This shows the swing open gate swinging out, whether the gate were string to slide, you know, all things that we need to talk about. And we need to confirm with Robert that the gate would actually be used not just be left open full time and sort of defeating the purpose of this. Here's a view of the same configuration that shows a bit more of the service at that. So here gate swinging out almost to the corner of the gym, dumpsters straight back from the gate and then the transformer area here outside the doors of the service area. Another option simplifies the canopy even more. As designed, there is an overhang of the landing in the stair already and that is enough potentially, sorry, let's give it a slide, to protect you from the elements as you enter this south door. So this shows a simplified canopy still including the curb, still bringing it back to the building and producing details. Another difference in this option is it has the semi-transparent fence on the wall against the drop-off area. You know, whether or not you want that to be absolutely solid or a screen is enough to create that separation is something we want to talk about. And here you are at eye level looking to that south entrance of the building. Another configuration has a step back. So the canopy itself in the building area is really quite modest and the canopy is doing all of the work at the entrance itself. But this still achieves, we think, some of the things that we liked about this feature at SD. We heard that it, the bright colorful nature of it adds a little bit of whimsy to the building. It sort of separates the kindergarten classrooms areas, makes them separate. It also identifies entrance. We do a similar thing on the north side. We believe with this sort of reduction of the canopy, you still get the daylighting obstruction that you need or control that you need at the classrooms. You still get weather coverage at the door. A skylight in a canopy is something that we've used successfully on other projects. Single piece polycarbonate skylight allows light so you don't get a dark spot. I don't think dark is going to really be an issue at this entrance. It's facing directly south but it's something to consider. Then with each of these, we look at them from the eye level to see if we are appropriately screening the service area and if we can actually make an entrance out of it. Tim, if you could bring up the site plan though because I think there's sufficient space in the loop or the drop-off area where the students really could enter through the front door. While Rupert's here. That's helpful, Rupert. The morning doesn't seem to be the issue. The buses come in. They're staggered or they're there for two minutes. They drop off and they leave. The arrival, Cathy and Gang, we believe we should be able to accommodate having every student enter the front or if they arrive early go to the playground, Rupert, if that's the policy before they're let in and then everyone can enter through the cafeteria or that door on the north side of the building. This is more about departure and I believe that the school does separate the students based on walkers, buses, and cars. I don't want to minimize the importance of this egress or entry point but it really would just be for students probably being dismissed in the afternoon. Yeah please, Rupert. Thank you. Yeah that's very helpful because I had thought that we were doing students all coming in on the west entrance and off the south entrance. That might be a larger discussion to involve Tammy and Allison in but my sense is that in terms of morning staffing, funneling all the kids in one entrance will be the way we want to go but for the afternoon and the other thing is that typically we don't have a long line of buses in the morning. A bus pulls up, it unloads, it pulls away so I think aiming towards the front entrance in the per morning drop off is still the way to go. Yeah so the changes that we've recently made to the site plan are reflected in this updated model. They're still tweaking to do this so it's sort of a large expanse of a hardscape in front that would probably punctuate it with planting but this if there's only a bus or two at a time it could pull all the way up to here without obstructing the vans which is pretty much a straight shot to the front entrance and there is more than enough room now for almost the entire certainly all the student population that would be arriving at one time to arrive in front you know just just to give you a sense visually of what is happening so I think it you have to reiterate that there's certainly enough room for drop off it is a matter of one what you see at pick up in the afternoon and just the general identity of the building for people on the south side of it. Kathy? Kathy? Yeah I had a question on the side entrance and the canopies and this is also for Rupert to think of when you get that flat extension well I have a couple questions but when you get that flat extension across from the kindergartens and over what does it look like three or four years from now in terms of dirt and how would you clean it is my you know the so more of it and more unevenness where you can't just walk out so the continuous one I can so that was my one question on whether you want that continuous thing as in A and then later you had it in C or not and then my other question on this this this diagram is showing the kindergartens with doors to the outside of the classroom with pathways to the door and that was a decision I think that we were still leaving to say whether we want all the kindergarten classrooms to have a door that opens outside so I think am I right in what I saw because when you did the upper level you saw a walkway to that outside door both from the one classroom and from another so one is a question about doors and walkways and the other is how do you keep that nice white with a orange trim surface clean to answer the questions one the exterior door is required for regress for classrooms of that size and we did have a discussion with the building commissioner and he well didn't outright say no he was very skeptical of removing that door so we did have that as a ve and we did not exercise it because we don't think that's going to happen so unless we hear otherwise those doors aren't and then honestly part of the reason for reducing or simplifying the canopy is the top of it will be a membrane roof below windows and you are correct they do get a little bit different there are things that we can do about that in terms of either a color or maybe using a ballast instead of instead of a membrane Tim they're about to install the ballast at Deberry on those similar roof areas maybe Neil and I can bring some photos back to share but it's nice round river wash natural rock that doesn't look black and dingy okay so that that was my question on that and and I'm just seeing you know I like the green and the grass but these are all areas that have to be maintained and we're not otherwise using them it's just that's a comment rather than a should be that be there or not you know I suppose it can't really be a playground it's not big enough for a playground although it the kids could go out and sit outside I mean they could actually have a class it looks big enough that for kindergarten they could sit outside which is is nice um that's I'll stop uh with Jonathan so a couple what one is really questions Rupert which is that I am I correct to assume that the number of van parking locations that they're showing that's that's really about the the afternoon pickup all the vans arrive at once they all get kind of loaded up simultaneously and then they depart um and that's that's what sets that dimension of that space um is that is that a correct assumption yeah I think I think that's right I think that the van drop-offs in the morning like the buses will be as close to the front door as possible um and I do have a question about the van section for later when it's my time and so then I think of all the options that you were showing I think it's C that I like the most but the canopy I don't mind that it kind of steps in steps out and kind of works with the the building a little more I would tend to favor um more uh enclosure on the trash and uh and transformer service area although not necessarily a wall I worry you know the long term maintenance of a wall that doesn't have you know space behind it is is often problematic um because the the caps wear out and you know you don't see water leaking in like you do in the building so um but uh I guess I opt for more screening versus less at that at that condition Rupert thank you yes um in terms of the screening uh because this is uh the deliveries as I understand it are going in through that door for the kitchen um my guess is that any screening gate that we have would be wide open all day long to speak to all the deliveries that come and go uh so it you know practically speaking you know it's potentially in the way of clearing snow um and you know something extra to deal with but um but I understand visually uh it it has its value at some point we might want to consider whether it's lockable so that we don't get people using the dumpsters that aren't part of the school um so that's that's part of it if you could go to the uh the slide that shows the front door the west entrance this yes that's the one so um we have uh maybe it's just this model so far but there's an issue if vans are loading or unloading they're going to have their uh red flashers on and their stop signs out and so the buses that are loading or unloading won't be able to pass them and sometimes it can take a while to do the van loading so I was hoping that we could look at some kind of um island or something so that it's not the bus roadway and then the buses could legally pass vans that were in the process okay um this cut through the center of the loop was added specifically so the vans could get by the buses uh but hearing that it needs to work both ways uh we will have to look at that here yeah I don't know what could be done but it's an idea is rick saying something yeah that would only have to that could be a two-foot island right with a curb along the side of it yeah just to make it because they're all professional drivers that's a plus so that would make it the legal legally be able to pass a stopped van rupert is it problematic to plow though if you've got that a little tiny island so if there's signs on the island there's not going to be any plowing on it if the island has um sloping curves it may be that we the plow will hit it while it's doing the rest of the driveway um or we may end up having to pull a snow blower out there to the island to clear it you're muted again right what an island with slope curves meet the legal requirement for separation between a travel lane and a bus drop off I have no idea um you know there may not be any choices here yeah so yes Kathy you have yeah I'm on a different topic so I just want to if there was anything more um so when Jonathan liked option c I did also but I thought the skylight is asking for trouble um both when I asked if you can keep the roof clean um um dirty skylights are are dirty um so it feels like you've got enough light coming in and it's a nice it's a really nice protection if it's raining or snowy um to come in there um so come in or come out um so I would just even though that one picture you showed overhead Tim shows that nice ray of light coming downwards it doesn't seem to me like it would be too dark in there given the night of the the building that it's on yeah I agree with you Kathy I had meant to add that I don't think we need the the skylight so that's enough that that's options option D is C without skylight is that what we are Tim uh well there's also a break in the the plane at the middle of the where you turn the corner in the building but it's they're very similar okay hold on so if you look at option C there's only one roof elevation and then when you go down to option D there's a break in the plane subtle granted so just just on a when you is it less expensive to have no break or just is it basically the same because these are facade facade like attachments um I every every every detail every corner every turn you make just in in a real sense as cost but I I think for the sake of design at you're you're getting into the level of the hundreds of dollars yes yes it's yeah the answer is yes but not that much okay I'm not enough of a designer to know whether I like C or D better so I will leave that to the world that looks carefully at lines um and breakups in lot of lines yeah can I can I just can you all hear me yes that's Margaret yes okay so can I just chime in and say another component of this it is and it is really kind of in the details is how those roofs are going to drain I mean I actually like the visually I like the fact that they are offset a little bit I think it looks good but I my primary concern here would probably I think needs to be you know which everyone you think is going to drain more efficiently because I do think the difference in cost would be de minimis but um you know it's about to me it's about the details of how you drain them understood um yeah and and we will obviously be looking very closely at that and what is not super apparent here is that there is a um a slight projection of the kindergarten rooms because they are taller and so there's actually some roof area there that makes it more than just the return of the canopy that gives you the room to either slope insulation or add the roof drain or or and a lot of our projects in fact all of our elementary school projects probably recently have a detailed similar to this so we are well aware of it thank you project um and then I don't even know that I got to E yet which is an um it simply stops the canopy short allows you to enter straight to the door but this does not have a canopy at the coverage uh at the door so so it was just there for visual exploration yeah I hear Kathy's opinion of a facial expression that's okay bad ideas allow you to know what the good ideas are so I say rupert's hand is up but I was wondering on the swinging gates is it possible to have a sliding gate that just slides over and back um instead of two that opened one that goes over to have it basically open when you want it to be but then able to shut it did does that is that uh sliding sliding gates are certainly possible um the amount of area that you can open up becomes a bit more limited um and then if the real issue with the gate is it will never be closed I don't know that sliding first swing addresses that but rupert has his hand up and maybe he can offer a bit more insight um yeah I'm I'm gonna team back with folks I mean I think from practical standpoint the custodians would rather have no gate at all because it's just an impediment um um uh for and and the uh the flowers will probably still bloom all those guys would probably feel the same um it does increase security a little bit to be able to walk off the dumpsters uh with a gate but we could physically lock the dumpsters we just have not had the uh consistency in practice to do that um I was uh I had my hand up though just to comment that I have no objection to curvy roofs on square buildings um I don't find it visually unfortunate in any way um and in some ways I think it's kind of add interest but that's that's a personal visual perspective no functional one yeah I will say that the the study of of these entrances and canopies is in no way complete yet but we're just trying to you know hear what your preferences are what you want to publish um then and you will be revisiting this sure and then with the added layer of function uh after we speak to somebody administrators basically how things work how you know making sure that we're covering their right amount of kids coming in and leaving the building that there's enough area for assembly for whatever has to happen and then Rick what is the underside the the finish of the underside of the canopy and the pre-finished aluminum of some sort socket panels got it okay Jonathan I don't necessarily object to the curves the if we had a curve here though then I would want you to explore a curve at the front entry and it's just a little bit about the you know the hierarchy of that front entry having kind of the most visual interest and this one needs to be you know call out entrance but but you know if it's not our primary entrance somehow it needs to kind of step down a little bit in in the level of elaboration at least in my mind um and the I guess the other thing I wanted to note on this view is uh you know I I'm interested by Rick's idea of putting um you know the the gravel up on that roof to so that we don't have uh both you know the issue of a dingy looking white EPM roof eventually um but also I think there'd be an issue with the uh screwing up the um the daylighting because you would get a lot of light bounce on the south side you know off these roofs into these classrooms and it makes me wonder if that same gravel treatment might need to happen over the service entrance I can't quite remember what the the roofs to the left of the stair hall are I can't remember those rooms or classrooms or if those are administrative rooms or there are two offices there at OTPT so there will certainly be occupants and um you know as you're pointing out south facing light on a white roof or a very light roof can bounce an incredible amount of light so that is definitely something that we're going to have to pay attention to there are other low roofs that are in front of windows on the north side of the building obviously Claire will not be in issue there to the same extent but the dingy roof effect is real so I have to think about all so on the enclosure um you know I I think we you know if if the gate is not going to be used then we've got an object that we're maintaining but not using um and it you know as as much as I would like to screen as much of this as we can there's really no point in building a gate that will not be used it wouldn't be a cheap gate one way or the other that's a that's an awfully wide opening um Rupert do you know are you anticipating like a food truck kind of backing up here or would they just kind of parallel park in where the buses are shown now and they would just kind of be dollying stuff through here um well I think right now we have both things happening at the middle school where where food service unloads I'm not quite sure at the elementary schools how much that is but this is going to have a bigger kitchen than the other elementary schools so I'm imagining that both will happen depending on which purveyor it is and and and what vehicles they use the bread trucks might just load out the side but the produce trucks and the saturated trucks might back in okay um it's something that I don't know exactly it's worth looking into Rupert are the dumpsters front or rear loading we are switching uh vendors this year right now the dumpsters are all front loading I'm not sure who the how the new vendor will work at but I assume that it will the the truck will pull up forwards empty the dumpster and then back out okay maybe there's a way to limit an always open opening that would allow access to both the dumpsters the a more direct food entry and and give every source what they want for getting 10 feet away from the transformer yeah I think that would be a good thing to look at yeah are you thinking of like a partial screen or something like a partial screen and I think that maybe the screened area might want might need to come out to be flush with the south side of the gym to get the room to do that but I think that that might be a possibility yeah are you thinking a wall that is there at the south side but maybe returns one bay of the fence it can be a combination of wall and perf metal got a couple of examples that we've done a similar thing a sliding gate I think sliding gates and like like to have a wheel at the end and that can complicate snow removal and making sure it can always roll swing gates are the most foolproof you might be able to locate a swing gate in such a manner that it's always open but you can lock it if you think you have to I'm looking at one opening and basically you go off your back in or drive in at three forks to access what you want and and through something that's perforated and something that's solid you can get the screening there's something to be said about seeing behind the wall too and being able to yeah not a hiding place yeah yeah good point good point I like what you're thinking and Rick could it swing in rather than out if you move it out it could it could swing in rather than out I mean if you you could swing it imagine if you will an opening on the right hand side and that fence line came out and if it swung in and swung tight against the walls was able to swing you know 360 against the inside face of another wall of the other area that could be a possibility because the trouble with having a gate swing out is you can't swing out into the vehicle that's approaching it if it happens to be closed when you when you swing it on the other thing I would throw out there is you know it's nice to screen the the transformer um but the thing to me that we really would the you know the highest priority to me is screening the the dumpsters and so if the screening was really focused on the dumpsters and the path to the service entrance and the and the transformer were exposed to view um at least visually I would be okay with that you know our eyes get used to seeing things like transformers we see them every day um but the you know the dumpsters are nice to screen um and and kind of keep people away from them too and then you're not having to worry about opening and closing a gate for all those dumpsters I mean all those deliveries so I don't know and and frankly have we thought at all Tim about having an overhang over the delivery door uh we have uh one of the options yeah one of those that yep there you go yeah yeah I was gonna say also if it swings in we need to figure out how to clear the snow out to be able to open the gate without opening the gate to get the snow clearing stuff in very practical issue yeah this this this area certainly um requires more thought like just off the back we probably wouldn't make the cover over the service entrance store the same language as the building entrance on this side but um but yeah we we're hoping to you know get a good sense of your priorities you know what is important to screen what is not whether it should be screened so I think we are some good feedback here Sean quick question and again not a building person is the transformer where the electricity comes into the building from the from the road yes that's where the high voltage electricity from the road is reduced to building voltage and as the um I can't remember the layout of the site does electricity come in from the road on this side of the street or will it in the future it with the new building the service for the electricity will be switched to the south entrance and okay in the drive to that transformer okay okay thank you at one point I seem to remember we were talking about transformers out uh farther away and there was a sort of a cost analysis about whether it made sense to pull the lower voltage all the way in from across the parking lot or not and I'm not sure how that's setting one of the driving factors for putting the transformer there as you're saying was you know the project pays for the wire from the transformer and ever source pays for the wire to the transformer so the closer the transformer is to the electric room which is right here uh the less those feeders are charged and and honestly they're expensive so that is why it's there I know I should know this do we have a emergency generator we do um let me where is that looks like you can barely see it um but there's a dash rectangle there and that that might that rectangle might be a bit too far left what versus what's on the electrical drawings but uh a similar discussion about the generator placed it about here um because those feeders to get from the building to the generator are also present I mean in a perfect world we would put it as close to this um storage building as possible but uh you know as a as a nod to cost we sort of split the difference but it is I you know visually out of the way and then there's also the possibility of building a fence around it Tim what is this a 600 is this currently what was priced was a 600 I guess okay on a on a day take yes this will be a very very large tall generator so I don't think a a fence a fence will hide a fence will hide the lower half the lower half to maybe two thirds that that is the realistic few yes and then I mean there are also pads that have the services and infrastructure for the PV array so there's going to be stuff here pads for the vehicle charging there's going to be stuff so one of the things I was going to ask about the stuff that we're not necessarily paying for now is if we ever had a backup backup battery a backup battery for solar would it go next to the would it go out in that general area where where would it be it's a better way of asking it I think it would go out in that general area the same sort of parameters that that cause you to locate the generator and the transformer a close um the feeders all come with a price and the the closer it is to the switch here and the connection to the building the lower those costs I mean technically it could be anywhere but it wants to be close to the PV and it wants to be close to where it feeds the building for the sake of reducing cost on that transmission line yeah and that battery is about parking space size so it would most likely be in the in the neighborhood of the generator the car charging infrastructure yeah because we've run out of parking space size things near the transformer yeah you have it at the um Lexington school it's behind just in a that was the battery I saw um that wasn't I think linked up yet that tesla battery that was what we're talking about right in terms of a visual but I can see yeah okay yeah you know they come in they're all different sizes um cat these so they went back and forth and um ultimately it's really hard to plan right we needed to plan we needed to know the size of the pad um and you need to do that we need to know what pads we're placing now for this project right because we have to go before conservation commission as we did in Lexington and um so they estimated the size of the pad and so now they're kind of backfilling the amount of battery that will fit on that pad yeah any other hands um in terms of materials that we have to present um until we have the meetings with the administrators and school staff that is what we have on this particular topic the upcoming building design subcommittee meetings will most likely get more packed with more materials as each one goes but that is what we have to present today thank you for your thoughts and I think you were pretty clear on some of your priorities and how we want to adjust the design and rethink the service area on the south side of the building. But Tim and Donna if I know Wednesdays were good days for you for these meetings and you at one point it said Tuesday afternoon so if in the interest of efficiency as you are talking with Tammy and Allison about staff you need on this if the building subcommittee needs to meet at a different time you know we can you we should just have a conversation about it you know if we want to bring everybody together at one point so right now this is then the time slot so I'm just saying it as a as a gender setting we had we haven't I don't think we have but I'll double check because when I was away on vacation everything got posted but we haven't necessarily posted them but I can change the postings if we need to okay yeah so I think Kathy our conversations well it's two full right so having conversations with Tammy and Allison as it relates to some of the function spaces inside the building those those are going to occur outside of this building committee subcommittee um but then we also do want their input um on discussion decisions that are made or recommended I should say in this group as well as the site subcommittee and their time is a challenge right now so that we may need to shift or if you're comfortable we yeah or we could have it with them while we're meeting with them about the other stuff and bring bring back to the to this group what their comments are yeah my main point was do what makes sense to get the input you need and then we can bring it together so just on a you know so that we're not asking this subcommittee to make decisions or even think about some of the options that need input from the users of the building I mean we have work here but we may you know when you start talking about some some of these it may be other staff yeah are there any other questions or comments today we do have public so I will see if we have any comments before but I don't yeah can I just make ask one question for clarification so so we talked about um having the building subcommittee the next one at this noon on the 31st now I've put a hold on my calendar for that I totally agree with what you said about the need for denisco to meet first with the staff is it helpful if we if we think we're going to potentially keep that meeting until it's confirmed is it helpful if I send an invite to the folks on the subcommittee so they know that it's out there because right now there's no mark or anyone anyone's calendar for that I think so Margaret there's both a site committee at nine in the morning on the list and a building committee at 12 sub the subcommittees so um so there there is but no no invite has been set out right because the invites don't even get sent out till angeles at post them so but what you're asking is putting a hold on people you want me to find a hold so I would know that I would put a hold on people's calendars and then I'll have an agenda setting just to make sure we need both of those meetings yeah and then I'll have Angela post them and do you know the full because well if we post them yeah it's Wednesday so if we post them by Friday afternoon you know officially post that play you know I got alerted by okay want to stoop public person that there was still a site design because I for this morning because I'd forgotten to undo it so I just want to make so okay that's great so that's the logistics so does any um we're open for public comments right now um if anyone has any please raise your hand I am not seeing oh there's a hand hi that's Tony Cunningham um I just wanted to ask about the canopy that's over the kindergarten classrooms is that a requirement or is that there for aesthetic reasons because um or is it because there's doors uh because I I wonder if I you I think you said for daylight but I would wonder then why you wouldn't also need it on the second and third floor if it was for those reasons um I like the larger canopy over the doorway and I agree with the comments about no skylight and having it be not white and something that won't look grubby as dirt and debris falls on it and something that's easy to get the snow off if it's not melting um so yeah that's all I had thank you you know so I think we'll put what we're collecting these comments um and you know at least one thing Tim had said it's about it's also in replacing the sunshades that are among the top floor things so we can come back and revisit those thank you Tony okay so so I think that's it so right now we're scheduled to meet again at as a building subcommittee at 12 on Wednesday and what's listed on that is corridors and project areas so that that's just you know the to be determined is that the right list or not and as soon as this is a little bit more firmed up I am going to send something out to the full committee so if you need the first week in June Deniscoe you know as as you start to sort through just you know start to think about what's the first or first and or second week of June so that you can do this review um um so I I want to thank everybody and I think we unless I see a hand up I think we can say we are adjourned at uh just before thanks everyone thank you