 I'm sitting here with Mr. Anthony dream Johnson himself founder and CEO of 21 studios He's been doing this for 10 years now to kick ass event change my life and change the life of I think it must be in the thousands now Well millions millions Hundreds of thousands of people probably really So yeah pleasure to be here and so Anthony just got off the stage Gave probably The most ballsy talk I've ever witnessed in my life And yeah, okay, I'll take that. Yeah What you did like we can't get Two into what you talked about today. We can touch on it. Maybe we're gonna do some Yeah, it's up to you like whatever you want to talk about ask the question. I guess yeah, I'm gonna ask I'm always gonna ask a question. Yeah, so Basically during that talk I was I was going through so many different emotions. Okay, and I Think that was a reflection actually of and what I admire about the talk was your ability To take emotion away Look at the facts and you've actually studied What you were talking about really thought about it and you've done this in a very short period of time Yeah, four months sixteen weeks. I mean you pause it for a second. Yeah, I didn't take the emotion out of it. Oh, you didn't ever do Yeah, I don't see any conflict in my philosophy between reason and emotion. So emotions fuel They dry what I'm doing. Yeah, they don't guide it. Yeah, that's what you're talking. I think I felt that yeah Yeah, that's why I was going through all these emotions. Yeah, and motions are important. Yeah, you know seriously And I was like I really wanted to ask you a question. Yeah, I've got a list of questions however, I was like I've got a really good question that is actually something that you didn't mention But it's a piece of advice you gave me when we did a podcast together So if you guys want to listen to that podcast, it's on 21 university comm and you can sign up right now Watch that talk. Yeah, watch the podcast. It's out. It's live and you get a free month of 21 University What is 21 University Anthony for the guys who don't sure. Yeah video streaming service for men It sounds like small Netflix that we built a Netflix for the 21 studios and the 21 convention the 21 convention Podcasts and all these different shows we have going on So it's a whole little community and video streaming service where you get all over videos with no ads Super early access by like six months sometimes before it goes on YouTube and a whole bunch of exclusive content like the exclusive show He's talking about and exclusive speeches from the 21 convention that are not on YouTube anymore Not because usually I want to take them down sometimes the speakers come come to me like years later And it's like a speech from six years ago. It's great, but as I can moving on in my life I'm not doing coaching anymore. Can you take it down? I used to be like just no But now I'm like all right as long as we can still use it people can still see it in some way Then we'll take it down off YouTube So we've kind of got a big archive now I'm 21 University of speeches that speakers have wanted to pull from YouTube that I can watch them there And the first month's free like McDonald mentioned I call you McNally like yeah, and even after it's not free It's only 15 bucks a month. It's fucking awesome. We had over a thousand people sign up for it It's fucking badass. Yeah, if you have any questions about 21 University email me That's Mike at 21 University comm more than happy to answer any questions You have about membership and yeah, we'd love to connect on you there I mean, it's gonna be a big part of 21 you going forward is the Community aspect of it and the chat room. We're gonna get the campus the chat room the chat room. Oh, yeah The chat that's it. So yeah, so before I get into like all my personal questions A lot of them too you could do them on the Q&A panel if you want, I mean, yeah I mean one of them we've an hour on that so that's pretty solid I'm gonna ask this one now because actually I'll save this one for the Q&A panel It's so specific to the the theme of this event, which is for young men under 21 Yep, and it's that's what I was going back to the podcast. You mentioned something about it Okay, and I'll just drop it in there and it's Monkey branching. Oh, yeah, I'm he branching. So let's not get into it now We'll do in that Q&A. Let me say this on it I thought initially that's what that's a lot of some of I talked about triangulation the speech that kind of what it's kind of a monkey branching is So that's what I thought it was too for a little while before I discovered Psychopathy and the more serious disorders. So monkey branching is what normal girls do a lot of time. It's fucked up It's a mating strategy and stupid right really stupid, but with psychopaths No, it's not monkey branching. It's it's because it's within 10. Yes. Yeah, lucky branching It's more like they don't know what to do and they don't want to be insecure. Yeah, they hang on to two men at the same time Yeah, triangulation specifically to cause cognitive harm Cognitive dissonance make you start doubting yourself the relationship build insecurities neediness like that So it's within it's monkey branching with like malicious intent basically So I said during the Q&A, that'd be yeah, yeah, yeah, it really really really will be I was like suck these You could speak that a lot. Yeah, it's a shame that we ran over because I was like This is the perfect question. It's not for me, but for the guys So my biggest takeaways from that were like taking the topic out of it was That Fundamentally it was about seeking the truth. Oh, yeah, there was no Malice or intent in what you were doing. Correct. It was all about seeking the truth and Then what what you've built the 21 convention and 21 studios and everything that you've done is built this Almost I guess support network who all believe in your mission. Yep, and which was not intentional Yeah, just did it happened because of that Because of that all the shit that happened to you Like your bounce back ability right now is Like I've never seen that in anyone and it was not my intention. Yeah, it's I realized last night I was like, yeah, it's like I was talking to think David Tien or Mary Francis Socrates fiance, I think and I said it during the speech to you It was like what psychopaths do is they try to take you up to like a 10-story building, right? We're the top building and throw you out of the top window. That's what she did That's what the psychopaths do they discard in a grand finale, but in my case. Yeah I had like a huge gigantic football size foot pillow on the ninth floor. So get thrown out Bam right there. Can we just quickly because we're gonna talk about this We've been more deaf and I don't want people to jump to the wrong conclusion Oh, yeah, I'm talking about so for those on Facebook and on YouTube Anthony, can you like give us a quick definition of what you mean by a psychopath? Yeah, sure great That'd be a great thing to talk about. Yeah a psychopath is someone is in my understanding in my belief of it Currently there's some debate on it, right? Yeah, a psychopath is someone who has some meaningful extent of the genetic disorder in the brain The brains work differently MRI scans have shown this it's been studied extensively in prisons and stuff like that So it's a human being who is fundamentally Broken and has always been that way and it's an incurable condition too and what the effects are the most immediate one is zero empathy Meaning they're colder by a thousand miles than the coldest human being you've ever met They're truly cold-blooded So psychopaths also are not they can be like, you know fictional characters like Dexter or like Hannibal Lecter or real-life Ted Bundy stuff like that But more than that you need to understand that psychopaths are not psychotic Psychotic means a mental break with reality. It means you're out of your mind. Who's bananas, right? Psychopaths are not legally and clinically. They're saying 100% They're not they look crazy to us the shit they do right like I talked about But they're not crazy we can call it crazy, but only conventionally in that in the colloquial sense of the word I think this term would be can I also get you to define sure because you mentioned the word crazy. Yeah, that's the word You know crazy slang term. Yeah, so what what is what is like Sasha's like? Yeah, I'm really pretty cray-cray But what is like that's the fine crazy right now what it means to you so people get the understanding of What's the difference between like a psychopath and a crazy person a psychotic? Yeah, that's what I'm getting Yeah, we don't need to use the word crazy. I'm just kind of joking. I want to use it Psychotic yeah again means mental break with reality. It means you're literally you're truly fucking out of your mind So in a court setting for example, if you're proven to be psychotic You would have you this would be like then, you know You're mentally a handicap or something during the time of crime or whatever the fucks going on a Psychopath though who murders somebody like Ted Rice's little brother is not out of their mind They did it on purpose We have trouble understanding how the fuck someone would do this But a psychopath does it with intent the most insane shit you can imagine Except they're not insane. They're sane Psychotic people who are just out of their fucking mind They're doing a lot of the same stuff, but it's with less intent and they don't really know what's going on So they're not as responsible for it because it's fucking out of their mind But psychopaths do crazy shit like chop children up into pieces, but they do it on purpose Fully aware what they're doing cool shit about it like calm about it That's a psychopath or they abuse people in relationships Or they steal millions and billions of dollars and destroy people's lives destroy economies These are the people who get into high CEO positions and government positions and then bad ideas kind of set things up to fall apart psychopaths execute So bad ideas cause big problems. They're mostly big problems to be set up like economies collapsing Psychopaths are ones who execute they pull the fucking trigger on that shit. Who's gonna push the button? Psychopath no empathy. Don't care about human beings They see us as weak and pathetic because we have emotions because we've empathy. They also are jealous of this So there's a huge contradiction there for them because they don't feel it which is hard to understand But yeah, it's like if you can imagine somebody walking in right now and cut chopping your arm off They would just do it calmly and not care Truly like Marilyn like I mentioned with Ted race's little brother when she learned about that She didn't really have an emotional response to it Nothing you could even see or as I was horrified to hear that his little brother was chopped into pieces and raped and murdered You know brutally basically the her thought process along with every other psychopath would be So what? Which is just you know, ultra fucked up like it's devastating to hear that you know Ted's cool guy his little brother's some fucking young instant kid gets kidnapped You know brutally fucking raped and murdered for days or tortured and then chopped into pieces and put the flower pot a couple of Anyways, that's your question. Yeah, absolutely. I can go on for the shit for days. I know So good to go back to your talk. I mean, this is the first talk. I've got to Watch full in full full. Did you see the one in Australia on romantic love? Yeah, yeah, I got I mean, it's the first one I've seen in full at this event. Oh Yeah, cuz we didn't stream it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so it's the first one I've seen yeah, so I haven't been doing all this other stuff I'm doing a good job. Yeah, thanks, man. And the Like I said the emotions I was going through that was There's no way to describe it. And then there was this one moment when I don't know if you saw me like you up on the stage I don't know if you like in your zone. I called you up. I need that one point. Yeah. Yeah, and then It hit me. I'm like, oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I've got to say this I've got to say it. I've got to say it. I was like, I didn't see it. I was right And I was like, I just had to write it down and tell the two guys next to me max and Rob said beside me I was like, I have to write this. Yeah, and what I wrote was this It's probably gonna be backwards. I don't know if you can see that. I have to read it to them dude Cuz I don't know how I let you read it. Oh, I Have a friend who is doing a PhD in this I was like up at the yeah, right? Sure. So this dude is named Simon He should call me up. I Live with him. I traveled with him around New Zealand for a month the whole time. He was telling me about how he's going to He's going to do a PhD at Cambridge University Currently doing it now and the whole time he was telling stories about all the fucked up shit like he was studying and all these cases of it and he was literally like I Like personally I couldn't relate to what he was saying because it was so I wasn't aware of this like I am Yeah, I was like, how can they not feel emotion? That was his message. They just don't then I succeeded It's extremely disturbing to realize this. That's what they say in this book when you when you figure this out Yeah, it is extremely fucking disturbing and you realize that human beings or at least they look like him They need to walk around like this and This is this thing like You you're watching at home you've got to actually Listen to this because my one of my really good friends who I live with and travel with was telling me this and I was not listening Because I didn't understand it and I didn't I Did try a wee bit to understand it But I didn't take it seriously because I didn't know how it would affect me and then Obviously, I find found out all about what happened with you Anthony on Skype And you and and you were telling me on Skype and I was like This is a joke. This was like because Because it was so raw at the time. I was like in my mind. I was like, okay, Anthony's like Emotionally compromised right now, but you kept saying it and I was like I was really trying to listen this time And it you kept saying it and then it finally broke through it was like Like when you when you talked about how you studied it You read these books as fast as I could and then I was like, holy shit actually what he's saying He's saying the truth like and that's why I was worried about this talk. I was like Are people gonna get it like right off the bat and that's what you did so good in this talk you like You presented it in a way that was you know about the facts and you I really try to make it. Yeah, it was it was like yeah And it that was that's so difficult to do like after a breakup and you were able to do that So well like I said to a break up with a psychopath or other toxic person is not normal break up Yeah, like it's really really different like some breakups get really really bad But it's much different and psychopaths do they be permitted they were the thing I've been thinking about this for years I have a video I didn't show you guys we filmed in Australia merely interviews me You can actually see her setting up Planting seeds to end the relationship and control the frame. It's insane. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's 2012 did Four years ago almost three and a half years. That's three and a half years ago. Yeah, and and and so the crazy thing is Talking about crazy Even after that Skype conversation and we talked a few times on Skype, you know, you told me the story. I Still didn't yeah. Yeah, I still didn't connect the dots You know that it's one of my really really good friends is fucking studying this stuff Yeah, and you even said to me like I want to I want I want someone to research this now Not only is Simon Doing a PhD in this I believe and I think I remember this something I might have listened to about the conversation He is at Cambridge University studying his PhD Possibly with one of the guys who wrote one of these books Here is fucking insane because I'm pretty sure Simon said to me. Yeah, I Got the PhD. I got the scholarship and I'm gonna be working with the number one guy in the field That's Rob. Dr. Robert here. Yeah, I want to have him speak at the Mami convention. So I think we can get him That's there's a way in yeah, that's the way in he's all he should if I actually in contact with them Yeah, this should be female psychopaths are difficult to study because there's not that many of them in prison And never mind you never study in the wild so to speak and like we did or I did unintentionally so it's Yeah, it's a really unique opportunity because it's not a lot most second psychopathy books focus on like Business stuff for the violent stuff or men not women in a way. They're expressing a lot of time Which is through I think it's called histrionic personality disorder out of the cluster B set and that means sexuality attention seeking hyper sexuality lots of plastic surgery Basically just through sexuality and behaviors like related to that and of course as you can imagine a lot of female psychopaths are gonna leverage that Because they can't you know, merely couldn't get violent with me and abuse me that way. That's a no-go I have 60 pounds lean mass on her. It's not gonna happen And she knew I would defend myself call law enforcement, you know, whatever to take care of myself So that wasn't an option for whereas in reverse male psychopaths will get they get more violent because they can right They're in a abusive relationship or they're in a relationship with somebody who's not a psychopath Which they always will be will be physically abusive a lot of time on top of psychological stuff because they can be But when you're a male dating a female psychopath, it's much more difficult that to happen. It can no doubt Oh, don't know males men get beaten too man. No doubt. Yeah Dean is sociopathic ex-wife beat him Dude is jacked as fuck. It looks like fucking Arnold He didn't understand the laws in America. He's from Britain So his lawyer actually to tell him he was like Dean like that's that's domestic violence There's like evidence to this shit. He's like, oh really? We're like, yeah, dude You can't the woman can't hit you just because you're a guy. He just honestly didn't know 63 Jack this fuck. Yeah, it's like fucking Arnold. All right. Let's get some question a little bit Let's get into some questions. So I'm one from primitive OS and what's your name, dude? Let us know So he says Anthony, where do you want to take the 21 convention movement? What's your vision? Sure? Let's do that. So we just broke 100,000 subscribers a month and a half two months ago or something like that So in a very simple sense, I want to take it to more subscribers Specifically I want one million by Christmas 2019. So ended the decade by 2025 I want 10 million. So those are the goals I'm setting right now They're pretty good goals and I think we can hit them. I don't know if we will of course Yeah, I don't seem in the future, but that's the intent. That's what I want to do. That's what I want to do I think we can get there and of course if we miss the mark, you know, for example the million And what do we have 500,000 400,000 or something 800,000. I'm okay with that. I'm gonna bear it So just in that sense with YouTube, that's why I'm taking it that way more subscribers thousands and thousands more videos I Do have some secret plans in place that I'm gonna be seeking investors for and I've been working with a couple of speakers on over The years past two years so I can't reveal that right now But there is some serious stuff in motion that that's pretty cool And that would be a huge game-changer of this project every ends up taking off and being completed Yeah, beyond that I want to keep us the event all around the world especially in Florida right now We've a lot going on with that. We're gonna have the 10-year anniversary in Orlando July 2017 That's the plan right now. We'll come from this later That one do right here in this room to So I guess what I wanted to say to you listening at home is that? The biggest compliment you can give Anthony is to share the YouTube channel With someone who like or just share a video with you know You don't have to share it publicly on your Facebook page or your Twitter or anything like that the simple fact of telling Yeah, yeah What's what's more important is like if you watch a video and you think that your friend needs to hear this or see it like By by sharing that with them But even if you just show it one person that is that does make a massive impact because that's personal It's personal like Jacob says it make it personal. That's my partner. Yeah, Jacob's the guy where did you ever meet Jacob? No, I didn't but I heard about him. Yeah That's Austrian guy. He sounds like Arnold. Yeah, he's like super fucking cool So, yeah, that's under 21 convention comm forward slash Nothing that was redirect to the ticket page. Yeah, I was I was meant to be going youtube.com forward slash 21 21 Yeah, so hit subscribe and you'll get all all the videos as they come out Let me get more and yeah, yeah I'm finished up to the vision for it where it's going. Yeah more events more speakers new speakers alumni speakers with better speeches Better events simpler events bigger events. Just keep doing more of everything we do always innovating always new shows Like the newest one now we have is 21 live the one I did with you recently You know the one for 21 University, but keep growing 21 University keep growing the events keep growing everything Just like in life. And then you know as an individual keep growing. You know, we're awesome. We're happy You know how we don't like have a name for this what we're doing right now. Oh, this is kind of like 21 live You know what it's like. I don't know. It's the dream lounge Yeah, I'll take that and I posted this on Facebook. Okay. Yeah, the dream lawn the little the dream lounge with Anthony dream Johnson And I tagged all things and I got a message from you, but I don't have Facebook app on my phone. That's cool I keep it off on purpose. Yeah. Yeah Probably for the best. Um So, yeah, that's crack head. Is that pretty much wrap up that question? I think so I mean you want to be more specific, but yeah more speakers more topics more fucking awesome events and more So Matthew asks When did the 21 convention start July 2006 I started organizing the first event. So that's technically the start date of the company And the first event was held July 2007. And yeah, the idea formed in July 2006 I first put it out there started operating as a sole priority ship business at that point, you know Spending some money here and there to research hotel rooms gas travel, you know stuff like that that's a 10 years now technically we've been running the company and Nine years of events so Ned and next year will be the 10-year anniversary. I'm gonna call it could have done this year, but The first one July 19th to the 21st 2007 I want to say I have to look it up. I'm pretty good with the history of the company Obviously, I'm not perfect. That's tough those dates. Yeah, so I hope that clears that up Matthew If you've got a question for Steve just submit it now and I'll try and ask it later So and the one from primitive OS question for you guys Which which are your major takeaways on Anthony's and Steve my other speeches well Anthony's I kind of touched on that You know, it's about seeking out the truth And really just thinking using your well There's a purpose to seeking out the truth when you're post Psychopathic sociopathic relationship. It's pathological like this Because you need to find the truth, right? There's a real legit purpose to this and a regular breakup you may or may not want to do that and there's reasons for that You might be finding the truth more and more of it. Okay fine details But there isn't an educational purpose necessarily to this and you're just gonna cause yourself more harm So you're just finding more and more details and it's just an endless, you know, slog of what an asshole It's just it's more and more the same of the psychopath. You're unraveling the Kind of knots they put in your head like tying knots and getting things all bundled up fucked up. That's what they do so the more you search for the truth and the more you study philosophy and the more you apply it to the events that transpired in their Relationship the more you can untangle them this book This green one is particularly helpful with that and untangling all the manipulative ultra fucked up ways as you treated me Right front speakers, you know, boldface treated them to and everyone. So it's just really educational to undo all that damage Seek out the truth. That's how you do that And there's a yeah with a relationship like that. There's a really specific purpose to it another thing you touched on and You might want to correct me if I got this wrong And it was about when you have high self-esteem That the weakness of that is that you have blind spots It's a specific blind spot. Yeah So if you have high self-esteem, you're more prone to thinking people are stupid when you see bad stuff rather than evil Yeah If your self-esteem is more like middle-of-the-road, let's say you're kind of still younger in life Don't haven't developed it that well. You could go either way, right? But the stronger you hire yourself the steam is the more you just want to assume people are just stupid Politicians or whatever the fuck when they do, you know, horrible crap Evil is harder for you to see because you're so far from it, right? Yeah, you're so if like Sasha has this problem I think with he he's just coming around now to what happened with Merrily and he saw her He actually knew her the most at all the speakers probably him and soccer I don't know if he Spent a lot with Sasha so Sasha and his wife is to hang out me and Merrily a lot where they were the only married couple We knew so we'd always hang out they come to the house for a week or two twice through times a year We'd hang out all kinds of cool stuff, right? Whenever swap partners or anything one time he was kind of like hey, man. I'm like, I know we're not doing that but But yeah, so he had a difficult time though seeing that actual evil because he's so far from that too The tart his wife could see it. She's like, yeah She's been through a lot of psychological like therapy and stuff She could see it and Merrily much sooner than I could and much sooner than Sasha could and socrates too. Yeah So she mentioned some stuff to you Yeah, Reese's recently though Vince's like a few months before all blew up So yeah, you know way too little way too late and she didn't really know what to make of it either, right? Because she had never studied psychopathy. She studies psychology a little bit here and there and all this other stuff But psychopathy is very specific It's not like psychology is a huge field obviously, but this is very specific stuff So she saw something was really off. She didn't even know what to make of it. She's like something evil about her. I'm like She's great like knock on wood Psychopaths are incapable of change and I think that that is a good way to like basically Telephone versus psychopathy. It's like because if you hang out with people and you're like improving and you're like doing all these things They pretend though. They're gonna they're gonna pretend to change. That's the problem Everything I do is lying everything they do is pretending so she pretended to change With her diet or their thoughts with their ideas It was always minimal, right? It was just enough to squeak by without getting caught that she wasn't really changing any positions or you know I mean and in vice versa, you know, so I wasn't proving And then she would just kind of pretend along with that one of the things I didn't mention that I wish I would have is that Socrates pointed out that she used my virtue and my morality as a shield or a shadow So she hid behind me. That's one of the ways you hit from the speakers too The speakers see me and they trust me and then with her she's basically kind of metaphorically standing behind me So it's hard for them to see her behind me because it cast a big shadow, right? Look what I'm doing with the event. I'm not like a speaker at the event. Just I'm the fucking founder and everything so Yeah, she hid in the shadows like a snake in a way or like a shield use it as like a barrier between her and the speakers in her I was the shield. So you mean like they wouldn't pass her you mean? They would talk to her and try to get to know her but she just kept she would just parrot what I did, right? And then they would think yeah, she must be just like Anthony. Wow, no wonder. They're so compatible, right? They're so they're really good at manipulation the change. It's difficult to see that until you understand it I'd be appreciating yourself on it. So they'll pretend they're master pretenders and manipulators and actors The reason is they don't feel almost any emotions. So when they lie when you lie, you feel guilt and shame and remorse When they lie, they feel nothing Makes them really good liars because they're not throwing off micro expressions body language, you know I stuff hand movements all these things because they're they're fucking they don't feel anything People throw off micro expressions when they're lying and then or whatever they're doing and then they have emotions And they're trying to you know, conceal them. They don't have to conceal them because they don't have them That's what makes them such good liars Almost every con artist, you know in the world that is really good at whatever they're conning whatever the con artist industry is Whatever the thing is They're probably all psychopaths and that's almost every case So it's fucking good at it. And then we have a special name for them con artists, but I've just had this like massive What's it called like when you realize something epiphany epiphany, right? Yeah, real quick real quick because this is important and this might help uncover something. It's really cool. So When I attended when I volunteered at the Melbourne event in 2013 12 12 That was the first time we met yeah, and it was the first time and only time I have ever met your ex-wife Okay, in that moment Calling me do so if you want. Yeah At that time I had without doubt a lack of Self-esteem or low self-esteem okay hundred percent, which is the complete opposite To what I have sitting here with you guys right now Like that's 100% true. I had a myth. I recognize that through your work Good on self-esteem and all the Nathaniel Brandon stuff. Okay, and here's what's interesting About when you talked about high help high self-esteem you have blind spots So what happened leading up the month leading up to this event? I was working on not only the convention Not only my blog and podcast Not only am I consulting? juggling clients Family issues Parents are going through a breakup. Oh, yeah, you told me. Thank you And then I just started another company with two friends. Okay, so But I was doing all this stuff Real high self-esteem hundred percent confidence in everything that I was doing that the blind spot was I Was folk I didn't have one thing. I didn't have one direction I had I was spreading myself to Finn but in my mind I was like had such high self-esteem that I can do this I can do this and in my yeah in my mind like my friends recognize this and they try to tell me but I Didn't listen because I was like, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this and then In my mind, I was I was saying This this is all gonna take off really soon and I'm gonna be like super not successful, but like It's gonna happen. Maybe it's gonna explode and then what happened was yes, it did explode Okay, right in my fucking face. Oh, yeah, miss my flight car got vandalized in the same day Just like the same bad luck comes in freeze like everything that went wrong happened I found out my mum was on anti-depressants, which I was furious about like it just will all explode right my face Okay, and then my roommate comes in and he'd been like He knows the kind of stuff my beliefs and stuff like that Okay, but he came in the room because one thing I always say is a book I've read the one thing by Gary Keller check it out and the idea that is you should focus solely on one thing Like you've done with this convention. Good. Right. That is it me. I'm juggling five different things Currently still at that point and James walked in the room after I realized I've missed my flight by 12 hours He said Mike Use my own words against me held me accountable. He said Mike. What was your one thing for today? And I was like mate. I didn't have one fucking thing I had a whole to-do list of things then he said Mike your one thing Was to get on that fucking flight and you fucked it up and that was like a massive reality check, right? That was like the universe telling me slow down Right So that aside going back to when I had lack of self-esteem back in 2012. Good. I think this is just a theory I've come up with when I met your ex-wife there was something about her that I Don't want to say the word repulse Because that's sort of you want to follow me one fucking bit. That isn't quite captured basically Because of my lack of self-esteem and she I felt like this energy in this power from her I didn't quite like and I wasn't I was not comfortable because it reflected on my lack of self-esteem Straight like this is a strange thing to talk about psychopaths to have an extreme lack of self-esteem. Yeah, zero So maybe Basically what I'm saying is like I avoided her like the plague like spoke to her maybe once and then something This is awesome But this is like it like so if you've got high self-esteem you have a blind spot if you've got low self-esteem Maybe you're a more aware of danger Little bit. Yeah, that's possibility. Yeah, this is this is something that we're on a summoner thing That's cool. Maybe Well, she's also not she wasn't preying on you so she also wasn't trying to put the act up with you as much She also didn't see as much of a threat. Yeah volunteer. Yeah, and you live in Australia Yeah, so that's also my one might be why she wasn't concealing it as much the threat level with me and the speaker She concealed it. Yeah, that's 100% but you as a volunteer lived across the world You were very low threat. Yeah with Katina the guy who's just in there. She she handled him by keeping him away You know telling me she hated him like no fucking reason The camera the director director of photography like like like go good to you know, yeah, okay Yeah, she handled each of the speakers in a very specific way She kept them all at just enough distance to not cause a problem Yeah, so and she had specific strategies with socrates. It was talking about feminism But he's focusing all her issues on that and childhood trauma. It's all nonsense With the cat with the director of photography She kept him in bay just by keeping complete distance from him, right? Not even trying to form a relationship with them Because she didn't need to let him in as much She she let Socrates get closer because she had the manipulate in more because he was a higher threat Okay, same with Greg's one each and you know Steve Maynard, she had a specific relationship with him Sasha and her got kind of closer But always Sasha noticed the conversations were always very shallow No matter what he tried to get deeper he could never get deeper conversations with her He knows he was bumping into either she was letting him in as close as closest He needed to get but not as deep as he wanted to go and that's where he got stuck at So she basically got everyone stuck at a certain position and kept them there as long as she could It's it's kind of like like chess, right? I don't think she ever mapped any of this out on paper, but this is what she did in her head Each person had to be manipulated and controlled in a specific way Okay, master manipulators. Do you like it's insane one last question from all music because I think this would wrap it up nicely Anthony asks, you know on your talk how important is it for us to be aware of And aware and cautious of psychopaths extremely fucking important Everyone watching this and everyone at the convention is a high target high quality target for psychopath Um, so yeah, dude, I can't stress it enough people at the convention like socrates and david tian others have been talking about it for years I thought I got it. I did not get it So yeah, it's super super super super important Trying to wing it and think you won't bump into one, you know for an intimate relationship throughout your life is Not going to happen. Don't count on it You're encountering psychopaths throughout your life every day. You're you're meeting them and you don't know it Anywhere from one to two percent of the population of psychopaths and another 13 percent or other forms of cluster b Including sociopaths and a social personality disorder Histrionic borderline narcissists all this crap. That's really really toxic really give psychopaths to run for their money So it's super important. Uh, it's psychological self-defense at the convention We also talk about physical self-defense like with bravo and at achon at achon It's the same thing you gotta learn how to defend yourself and You gotta learn how to defend yourself from this kind of trauma because otherwise you're not even going to see it coming Like I talked about in the speech Psychological abuse is more sinister than physical abuse and violence because you can't see it Physical violence is at least honest. You can see it. It's right there. People know about it And like I mentioned law enforcement can get involved and family and friends and all that But psychologically it's much more difficult. Cool if Vernon swings by at 6 p.m. Yeah, cool. Awesome. Yeah, it'd be good for you to meet him. Yeah, all right guys. Yeah, roll out. I mean, you're gonna go Yeah, yeah, thanks, Anthony. Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks for doing this. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Thanks.