Shane Claiborne - Fundamentalism





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Published on Oct 29, 2008

A portion of our interview with author, activist and founder of The Simple Way, Shane Claiborne. I asked Shane to talk about how he feels concerning the polarization of select issues within christian fundamentalism.

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Why does he focus only on fundamentalism?  Why doesn't he talk about the problems with liberalism? 
Nathan Phillips
+ToBeSaltnLight because the interviewer asked him about fundamentalism specifically.
Matt Robinson
It's not fundamentalism that condemns homosexuality outright, it's scripture. It's disingenuous to hang one's hat on some passages while disregarding others. Shane, like so many others, has made an idol of culture. 
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+Halleluyah Matt "The rich young ruler is told to give up his wealth--he is not welcomed in with his greed, it must be jettisoned. So, he walks away sorrowfully." So, according to your study of this passage, Jesus is saying that we must follow the ten commandments before we are able to enter the Kingdom of God?  According to your study of this passage, Paul is wrong and righteousness does come by following the law?  According to your study of this passage the Pharisees were correct all along? Your takeaway from this is, "Man, if only the rich young ruler had followed the law better, then Jesus would have let him into the Kingdom!" Friend, have you heard the good news? Romans 3:20-24, "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." It is precisely because the rich young ruler presupposes that he HAS followed the law and IS righteous enough to gain eternal life that Jesus challenges his righteousness based on the law! Lord have mercy.
+Halleluyah Matt Thankfully, we need not debate what the NT means by "love." 1 John 3:16 "This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us." 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." Love rejoices with the truth, but it does not keep a record of wrongs. So, speaking the truth in love can't mean condemnation. Love also means sacrificing for one another. So, let us sacrifice our rightness, our desire to condemn, our desire to fix, and let us be free to love. God does not need our help to convict people, and it is harmful to our souls to do so. Live in love.
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You can criticize fundamentalism and talk about it like it's this disgusting thing.  But one thing is clear, when it comes to homosexuality, Paul was a "fundamentalist."  He was abundantly clear that a believer must repent of that, and that someone who wasn't repentant would not inherit the kingdom of God.  We musn't lie to unbelievers and tell them a false gospel.  Is it living in sin just as much to be living with your girlfriend?  Yes.  Is it living in sin to be unrepentant about having or supporting killing babies in the womb?  Yes. I'm not super down with Shane Claiborne, but he is a well-known Christian and seems like a genuine person.  I would urge him to not be wishy washy on these issues or even suggest that abortion and homosexuality are, at best, morally neutral issues.  Even if people get offended, we can't preach a false gospel.  The truth tends to be offensive.  And God promised us that His truth would be extremely offensive to people, because we love our sin.   
While I agree that resisting sin is an important aspect of the Christian life, I must say that I am much more concerned with the false gospel that sanctification must happen prior to salvation. It is the Holy Spirit living in us that enables us to live more holy lives. A holy life is not a prerequisite to receiving the Holy Spirit. To suggest that this is so is not to proclaim a false gospel, but no gospel at all.
I don't think he's promoting a false gospel at all. He was saying that people have needs for love and community and the church should be the place to offer love and community to everyone including this who struggle with same sex desires. I agree. I don't think conversation involved whether the lifestyle of homosexuality is accepted or ok in the eyes of God or if the bible accepts it. That debate wasn't apart of the conversation. I do agree with what the bible says about homosexuality but I must agree with Shane that the church needs to be a place of grace or community for those who struggle with same sex attraction.
Restoring Freedom
The love of God Never compels us to hate, instead it reveals our own sin which gives us compassion for the brokenness in those around us. 
Shane said he "used" to have strong feelings about abortion and homosexuality. This implies he no longer does. The problem, of course is that whenever Jesus made contact with someone, He took care of their immediate need (healing, protection, etc.) but then followed up with 'Go and sin no more". As a matter of fact, His first sermon was "Repent". Also, Paul tells us to "flee from the wrath to come".So simply "loving" someone who is blatantly living in any sin is actually not very loving.
Paul Nurmi
Blah blah blah. . .
Guttermonk Billy
Who isn't The Christ? Where isn't God? Who does not know Heaven right Now? We have all known Hell?
Another Midnight Choir
They seem to think if you go to the right The Pearly Gates will come into sight But they forget that if you hate You ain’t getting through that gate. Bigger’n Rush
If only he had not mentioned Rob Bell.
Travis Minter
I'm pretty sure without sex the human race becomes extinct so in a way we can't live without sex. I like the core of his message but love doesn't always mean smiling and saying everything is ok. He seems to be doing what a lot of christians do which is find their calling and then tell everyone else that there way is the right way. The body of Christ has many different parts and functions. 
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