 Welcome back to the Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. More than 3,000 people have been displaced from their homes in Kauri community of Niger state by Boko Haram. Governor Abobakar Bello confirmed this newsman and said Boko Haram has already hoisted its flag on the community. This comes in the middle of renewed onslaught by the terror group that has been in operation for 12 years. The displaced persons will swell the number of interneted displaced persons in Nigeria, which the United Nations says is more than 2.1 million. Public Affairs Analyst Bolaaba is joining us to talk about this. Good morning Mr Bolaaba. Good morning. Always a pleasure to be on your side. Yes. Thanks for joining us. So we see that the refugee IDP situation in Nigeria is going into about its 7th year. You know, the United Nations estimates that there are 2.1 million internet refugees in Nigeria, over 778,000 IDPs in Chad, Cameroon and EJ. Over 2.1 million interneted displaced in Nigeria. How do you assess the situation seeing that Nigerians in their own country are not safe? How do I assess the situation like any other same Nigerian I feel very bad about? And to be honest with you, the probability of these people speaks to the fact that the relative security and the relative safety that I may think I have may be as vulnerable as they are, especially one looks at the global picture. So like any other reasonable human being who is unfortunate enough to see how humanity is being subjected to a form of degradation, you must also at some point think through the circumstances and see how you also may be as vulnerable or susceptible to the factors that may have led those people into the coldest that they are in. That is my feeling this morning. All right. So let's then also look deeper into the factors that have led us to have this increase in number of IDPs across Nigeria. The government earlier had described the issues of security and Boko Haram as the last kick of a dying horse and some of all those similar statements. But if we have these numbers increasing, does this in any way show that we have failed as a country with protecting Nigerian lives and property? Essentially there are no two ways about it and there's no point romanticizing failure. The fact like that Latin, like a word says, you know, the facts speak for themselves. The fact as we speak now is that the security situation in Nigeria is fast deteriorated. Fast deteriorating not only because we have a commander in sleep. Oh, sorry. I wanted to say commander in chief, but it's obvious that the president seems to be sleeping on duty. And so once the criminal elements, the terrorist elements, once they are concluded that we modernize the commander in sleep, that the commander in chief, they just go in pleaser. They go in pleaser. Apart from the fact that we don't see an ostensible form of leadership that ought to be in place, especially the nation has played and ravaged by insecurities in Nigeria. We also have the unfortunate situation where those, the heroes who have committed voluntarily to secure us, you know, members of our armed services, members of our police force, members of our military organizations, these are heroes who voluntarily have subscribed to the idea of protecting us. Their welfare as we speak is nothing to speak earlier. Their degree of equipment, the degree to which they've been equipped is far below, far below what ought to be. And these heroes are literally losing their lives. I see they are lower animals and we don't see a leadership that is, that is empathetic enough with their circumstance. So the criminal elements, you know, across the nation, the criminal elements are going into town to take on civility and take on civilization. So that's the most unfortunate part of it. The most unfortunate part of it is that we have a leader. Nigerians, Nigerians die in their dozens. And the best you get from this presidency is a spokesperson trying to tell Nigerians that the president is concerned. Nigerians, they die in their dozens, in their dozens. And the best you get from this leadership is a spokesperson mouthing sympathy and empathy on behalf of the president. And you know what? The reality of our sub-regional situation now is such that in the backdrop of the devise of Idris Derby-Itno, the former dictator of Chad, who's role in still filming with France has kept a degree of stability from Burkina Faso to Mali, to Niger, to Chad, even to some other Central African countries. In the backdrop of his unfortunate demise, not that I wanted the dictator to be riding off-shoulder over his citizens, but in the backdrop of his demise, Nigeria hasn't seen nothing yet, and the degree of vulnerability would be higher. And I dare say that some criminal elements between Boko Haram, East Wales, and some other extreme groups on the one hand, the criminal elements would now have little or no opposition to literally sit down the Nigerian territorial boundaries, and we may be seeing more internally displaced persons than we've seen in recent times, bad as those ones are. One big question really on the minds of many is this. These IDPs, about 3,000 of them now displaced from Niger states, many more undocumented, fleeing from their villages because of these insecurity challenges, where will they go? Is this something that will basically worsen the IDP crisis, where you see Nigerians running to Niger and other neighbouring countries, or should we be expecting an influx from these northern states, the southern states, and the fact that it's just going to worsen the unemployment and security challenges in places that seem to be more greener, like Lagos. Where will these IDPs go? Thank you very much for your standing professionalism, and I'll be made to connect the dots so that those of us who, religionally, in major cities where there still seems to be some form of stability can wake up. Yesterday in Ojo, Iyanoba specifically, by last hundreds of vehicular assets of innocent people were vandalised. You know why? Because there was a confrontation between many of these Hokkaido riders and the local folks, and you want me to shock you, many of those Hokkaido riders, many of those who ride Hokkaido in Lagos, come from as far as Okinawa, Faso, Mali, Niger, Chad, and some other internally displaced areas of Nigeria. The common language that bonds them together is the fact that the lingua franca of the vast area from whence they came is Ausa, so people think because this is Ausa, they are lagging Nigerians. So these people are literally, literally from places as far from as Okinawa, Faso, Mali, Niger, Faso, Senegal, Faso, Niger Republic, you know, Chad. And you know what? People don't realise, people watching us this morning don't realise that if you take away the 5,000 plus army, 5,000 plus soldiers of the Republic of France, literally holding together, you know, sentences of nations like Mali is sent at the top of Nigeria, people don't realise that many of those countries will not be in existence, even their situation will be worse than Somalia. So you have youngsters and people may not know that between Nigeria Republic and Mali, between Mali and Nigeria Republic, the highest rate of procreativity is registered on the face of the earth, where an average woman gives birth to about 9 to 11 children and all these kids would have to grow, growing is attainability, would have to grow in a state of chaos, instability and the only, the only part of call to stability there is not only Nigeria, it used to be Northern Nigeria like Kano, Sakwato, Niger State, Paso Kono, but as we speak now, Sakwato is literally, you know, not west of Nigeria, am I saying Sokoto alone? I'm saying Sakwato, Katsina, Zamfara, they have their own security situation, you want to go to central, non-central, you are looking at the situation in Niger State, you are looking at situation in Ben West state, you are looking at situation in Taraba, you are looking at situation in Plateau, you want to go. So you are simply saying nobody is safe. Kadoona that is supposed to be the security capital of Nigeria is bleeding big now and you want to go eastward like that. So I'm sitting there thinking that your question does not only speak to the situation of IDPs, the last question that the lady asked me does not only speak to the situation of IDPs, but it speaks to the fact that those are also in cities like Lagos, like cities like Kotako, cities like Kape Okuta in Badon, we must wake up to smell the coffee that the situation now is such that the enemies are within, if they were to be Nigerians it would be better. These are people that are coming from as much as 1,500 kilometers away from the top of Nigeria. I want us to speak of any possible solutions. It's a really terrible picture like you've painted this morning, the giant of Africa as we've been called for many, many years doesn't seem that way anymore. And if we had these thousands, look around Lagos, thousands of undocumented persons riding Okadas, walking around, we're hearing of thousands more being displaced in Niger state and in part of northern Nigeria. What are the possible solutions that can exist to save Nigeria from complete implosion? One of the solutions to be honest with you is that states like Lagos Lagos, states like Lagos or Ogun or Yo, Oshun, states like Kuala, states like Shokoto, states like Zamfara must find a way of intensifying the effort to have Bonafide residents were registered. It may seem somewhat utopian but until we know those who are Bonafide residents from opportunistic residents and have lived abroad before and I tell Nigerians who tend to want to complain that even when some of us were living in the diaspora, in places like Germany, in places like United Kingdom, even when we're living there, the mentality of the immigrant, the mentality of the immigrant was such that between 50 to 60 percent of population of Nigerians in those countries there, they couldn't care, they only wanted to make money and they were raking havoc on those societies. The first thing you want to understand when you are dealing with a large body of immigrants is that majority, there is even a phenomenon for it in the concept of organization. It is called the capital city syndrome. People who are born in the place, you wouldn't want the place, you wouldn't grow up to want the place to be born because you were born and raised and you have cultural affinity with the place. Those who come in, come in specifically to make money, they don't care whatever happens and you are game, all of you who have a degree of emotional attachment to want to preserve civilization in that place, you are game for there, until we come to that realization that this is not discrimination, this is not tribalism, this is not wanting to be sectional, it is just preserving the sanctity of peace in your community and we use that to engage those who are ready to be productive, you must realize that the majority of these characters do the things that are not great negotiations to do. They are preponderance because those are commercial opportunities for many of them who want to be civil and low abiding, they draw water for you because you don't have a public pipeline water system that functions. Some of them, some of us are in construction, social housing, the kind of social housing provided would not have been possible without the kind of labor you see some of them do at a reduced rate, although affecting the degree of what the indigenous can end, but there are so many percentage of there ready to throw anything and everything out of the sink just to make money and go back to where they are coming from to show that they made it when they went to Lagos. The picture you have painted this morning once again doesn't look very good regardless of what part of the country you are in and I always refer to Lagos because that's where we are this morning and I would always remind Ligoshans to look around you, look around the streets on your way to work, traffic, like you've mentioned all the Okada riders, doesn't look very good, but I want us to go back to talking about one of the things that made the headlines this morning and that is the Boko Haram Hoisin flags in about 50 locations in 50 communities in Niger state, there is also the mention of Shiroro, these I believe are one of the reasons why we have an increasing number of IDPs across Nigeria. What is your response to that and your reaction to that? If you remember, just before the 2014 elections, before this administration came into power, that was one of the things that was mentioned, that Boko Haram had control of many local government areas in northern Nigeria. Are we back there? We are back there from the report that we heard from the governor of Nigeria state but we are not only back there because come to think of it, in the past when it happened it was largely in the eastern part of Nigeria, parts of Adamawa, parts of Adamawa, Yobi, Bono and in those days, in those days there are all the flags where we need to be flying across sorts of territory and many local administrative headquarters. But unfortunately now and we must say, we must say to put history in proper perspective that when Dr. Boko Haram, who I did not support there, who I campaigned against there when it postponed, when it got the election postponed for six weeks and during those six weeks, when he equipped the Nigerian, the heroes of the Nigerian state, the Nigerian army, when he equipped them, sorts of those territories were taken back from Boko Haram even before the president did not and then lost the election. Now, the unfortunate part of the situation now is that Bono is part of Bono and Yobi are literally now being taken irrespective of the courage of character of our soldiers. But because they've been under one fear, they're under a kid. You know, the Achilles' Hills have been made open in the north, in some parts of the North East. And as we speak now another flag has been opened by Boko Haram that is indeed, as we speak those watching us in Boko Haram must wake up to reality and smell the coffee less than two hours away from, or less than two to three hours away from Abuja, the further capital territory. You know what? The truth as we speak now is that Nigeria is in a state of civil war light in those places and unfortunately our commander in chief is asleep. He is sleeping. No excuses about a wonderful human being is that it's good for this country. But you know what? Look, I tell people, Naira for Naira, dollar for dollar. If you want to measure what Bwari are done in infrastructure relative to any other government since 1999, you must post-celebrate Bwari. Dollar for history, history for history since the colonizers, the colonialists did the rail line from Lagos to the hinterland of Nigeria in 1999. No other government has done what the Bwari government has done. But if you don't know all these things and I don't have security, and if you don't know all these things and some people can flood in from outside Nigeria, literally vandalizing in moments, look at what happened in Lassu yesterday. I don't know. Apologies to button. We really have talked about the situation that happened in Lassu, but quickly wrapping up our conversation about the IDP situation in Nigeria in security. We know that the federal government had said that they had plans to resettle all IDPs in IDP camps by May 2021. I mean, it's to be May in just a few days by Saturday to be the first of May, but we're now hearing cases about lots of Nigerians living in Nigeria state in trucks basically going God knows where. But we don't have a system as it stands where in situations like this, when Nigerians are aware that this is where you can go and register, this is the plan that the government has for you in cases like this, this is where you need to go and get shelter. What is even the state of our ID camps? Poor hygiene, inadequate food, inadequate shelter, inadequate security, things like there's just so much. So what really should be the focus of the government? Should we tackle this at the same time? Regarding resettlement? Yes, regarding resettling these IDPs and countering terrorism, that's the root cause of the issue. You see, without wanting to sound remarkable this morning, I would not want to be a doomsday analyst or a portrait charge gloom. I really have to let Nigerians know that we don't, in many areas of our life, we just live by the moment. You are talking about IDPs, majority of those who happen to be IDPs are those who are in states where afflictions can, when they are running away from afflictions, they will still run to some parts of Nigeria, states like Benwick, Taraba, Plateau. In the state of the President himself, Cassina, it is reported that people now in about four local government areas of Cassina state now go to rent houses to sleep in Nigeria Republic. They sleep in Nigeria Republic and come to do business in Nigeria during the day. So nocturnally, they think their safety is more pronounced in the Nigeria Republic in the night for them to sleep as nocturnal residents of, but the on and during the day, they come to do business in the, that is in the state of the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. And we know that there are instances of people in Zafara. What am I talking about? What am I going that far? In Auguste, in parts of Yewa, in Auguste, people have now run out of Nigeria to go and seek refugee status in Benwick Republic. Oh, it's sad. But you know, like Yoruba said, sometimes you say something sad, but you can't but laugh. People in Auguste, parts of Auguste, Nigeria, in over West Senatorial District, run to Benwick Republic to go and take refuge for safety of their lives. So I'm talking to you now and I'm thinking which institution, which edges captures that well if it was not for punch newspapers, the same correspondence or sent reporters to well cover the activities of Nigerians who are now living or basically scavenging life as refugees in Benwick Republic. Would you have ever believed that Nigerians could be so displaced? Indeed. We actually had representatives of the community speak to us here on the breakfast around that time when that news broke. So indeed, it's a long one-in-issue. We do hope the government can indeed find a solution to this problem of internally displaced persons and the, you know, root cause of terrorism and insecurity. Thank you very much for your time and thoughts on the breakfast, Miss Yoruba. Have a great day. Always a pleasure to be on your side. Thank you for joining us. All right. Good morning once again if you're just joining us. We've had very, very interesting and important conversations this morning, mostly talking security. We're still going to be talking security next. The focus is on the Greenfield students that are currently in captivity. Five of them have been reportedly killed. What next? And, you know, what must the Nigerian government do and the Kavanaugh State government do to ensure that these children return home to their families safe? We're going to be speaking with the Fomadeses director, Dennis Amakri, next.