 to order, personnel stuff or just a public comment. Okay. We're waiting for John. John's supposed to look in. He has not come in yet. Sharon's coming, she'll be here. Yeah. Katie and I are sharing hosting duties so she can monitor the waiting room as well and admit people as needed. Orca is joining us by Zoom, so we won't need to do a formal recording to the cloud. Now in the nights when they're actually here with the camera, we will probably need to do a cloud recording simultaneously because then they can merge the two to get the full meeting experience on camera. Okay. Okay. Mr. Hyde is in the waiting room. We haven't done this yet. So the Orca's recording and they're not here, we don't have to record. They're here recording, we need to record. Right, because the cameraman or camera person would be able to record who's in pan around here but won't get a very good resolution when they pan the camera to the screen. Okay. So what they do in their magic Orca lab is they take the two videos and make a composite of them together, the Zoom fed video along with the recording that they made live. So when we're recording Zoom, does it record only voices or does it record? No, it records people. Oh, yeah. And typically it'll focus on whoever's speaking and still showing the gallery view that we're looking at now and it'll just show the person, whoever's the dominant person speaking is. Okay. So they can't type, type, pick up on the hour and then they take it, write the video feed from that. Because that's the primary camera and it will pivot around whoever's speaking, that's what the Zoom will record. So Zoom, so there will be a Zoom. So we have an hour and we have Orca. All kinds of species. And Barbara is with us as well. Oh, hi Barbara. Hi Barbara. So we have to, we should get started because it's now five after. We've got a lot to do. So we can either go into executive session or not because personnel matters. You can go into executive session. We didn't, the last time we talked about some personal issues and I don't see. Why are we sure? But there's anything that we really need to go into executive session for. Yeah, I think it's going to be keeping it open and it's not much as we can. Yeah. Talk about things like that. Yeah, we just want to make sure we're not using names. That kind of stuff. Some, you know, some privacy is still there. So we talked to last meeting about the increases. Number, they are muted. iPad user, would you please unmute and identify yourself for the record? I know sometimes when John has come on, he's had to close out and I'll come back. All right. Is that shared? Yeah, that's okay. Maybe you could send iPad a chat. Kind of like this, myself. This is more of my time. It's pretty handy though. Yeah, well, it's fine. Okay, let me hear it. Okay. It's our press is here tonight. Oh, okay. Is that who I am? Yes. I gave it. Thank you for identifying yourself. Reading, Sharon. Thanks. Hello, Alex. We have Alex. We have Alex and we have Oregon. Yeah, Rick told me that there was an L training at 530. He's not, he didn't train us today. He's just hooked it up and we'll do a training today. We're working on it. He's working on it. He's working on it. He's working on it. Okay. Just getting things to work technology-wise. I'm gonna train us off. This is the town of Chilton. Yeah, do you want to sit down? Yeah. John said we guys need some dogs to be nearby. Oh, perfect. And I could look at Doug and make faces in him. Yep. Probably meeting board's turn. Okay. And we talked about the staff salary increases. Already? No, we're just over at it. Oh yeah. Okay. That was quick. Yeah. So we had invited it for 2.1 across the board across the board and all staff. So this board needs to vote to approve those salary increases unless there's another option somebody would like to put forward. We have to, she's making a motion on that discussion. So I'll make a motion to approve the 1.32.1. That's as much budgeted. No, that's best. Discussion for the record. Does anyone recall how we arrived at the 2.1? Yes, Sharon. It was CPI for the record, please. CPI plus. Yeah. So to, yeah, for the record, let's go right into the detail. So this is how we've budgeted. And I'm going to keep saying budgeted. How we've budgeted the pot of money for budget performance increases or for merit for salary increases. How we have budgeted for salary increases. We started 2 cycles ago with using the Northeast region CPI. Selected bold from end of the previous fiscal year. So June 30th. And then we applied. So that was, I won't get into the numbers plus 0.75%. This is as a methodology recognizing that if that had taken us over 3%, we would cap that 3%. That's what we said. And that's how we budgeted 2 cycles ago. And then this past year, when we were budgeting in January, we said, well, hang on now that we have a method. Let's instead of June of the previous year, we can go right to. I think it was, hang on. I did put it in here somewhere. We grabbed January. We took the end of January. So it's a rolling 12 months CPI for the Northeast as determined by the U.S. Department of Labor. And we took it from the end of January and recognizing that once we've walked into a method. That's now it just becomes every year when we're budgeting, we can say, okay, there's the number at the end of January. It's available by what? First week of February. And then, and then add our, I thought we were looking at the end of November or December. Nope. I looked, I went back in and looked at the numbers. So the, it was January. And then we said, well, I'm going to go back to January of the previous year. We had a North East CPI of 1.1%. And then we applied instead of 0.75. We said, well, let's apply 1% instead. So we've tweaked our method a little bit. And I, I, you know, being a big fan of consistency and methodology, that we grab the January rolling 12 month number. We add 1% if that makes us happier than 0.75, unless 1% takes us over 3%. And then we will cap at 3% for the budget because that's where we want to walk in for the taxpayers. So that was our method. And then the January CPI, then it's covered the last one you can possibly. Yeah. Well, that's why I know it wasn't January because we have to have. Budget stuff done before the end of January. When I sent this out to you guys, what 10, 10 days ago, I went out and looked at it. And the only number that's 1.1 was January 1.1 for January. And then we added 1%. I mean, we can go back and say it's December, but that is not what we did this year. Based on that, because I did back into it because we did that in an executive session. We didn't have any. What I'm saying is I know that because we have to have all of our stuff wrapped up before the end of January, budget lies in town report rise. I know we did. I know it wasn't January, but it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. We have a methodology in place. Well, if it wasn't January, I don't know how we got to 2.1 because at 1.1 was January, but, but. All right, well, this is good. So if the last number we can grab is December. And I'm going to make notes that that's got to be our method. And I don't know what we did this year because it doesn't matter. Yeah, I have to go back and look, but I know I have to put down somewhere how we came to that. There was a chart, right? Absolutely. And the chart, the CPI chart. Yep. The CPI. We're using the Northeast region. CPI, right? Yep. And that was 1.1 in January. Yeah. Anyways, I mean we came to what we came to with a good. Strong way of doing it to be consistent going forward. I know that there's other places now because of all the COVID stuff and trying to keep good employees and things are giving a higher. Percentage. Salary increase. We didn't budget for that. Right. For instance, we didn't budget for a 3% or anything. For 2.1. Yeah. I think that that goes into. The question is, I mean, there are three things going on. And I see if we got, you know, this is our budget. Right. And then we get. I take your market adjustments. We're competing in a market. That we have to make a market adjustment. That's a one time thing. You know, to bring it up to where you can. Yeah. But we have to look at all those benefits across. Because we have higher benefits than sometimes. And even with others. That's a package. Look at that. It's not all just. Yeah. So I think tonight we need to decide. If we're going to go with what we. And then we can talk. About some COVID relief. And then we can go with the. We can go with the. We can go with the. We can go with the. We can go with the. The. The. The. And, you know, give everybody a nice bonus. And then that doesn't lock us into. A higher percentage salary increase going forward. You don't want to give a, like a 3% now and then next to, if things change. And you have to give. A lot less. Right. Well, that's where we have. That's where we have to go. I think that's where we have to go. And I think that's where we have to go. And I think that's why it's important to have some time to figure out what that market adjustment should actually be. Markets and flux right now. So it's a bad time. Yeah. We don't inflation is higher. That's probably. Yeah. We also need, you know, we also need to think about the taxpayers. You know how much can they absorb. Right. Well, we might want to consider is. You know, you know, if we think we might need to make a market adjustments. Meaning, you know, change. Change the numbers so that we are more or less in line with other towns. We have to, we have work to do what other towns. I mean, and lock that in justice systematically. Here's our market basket. But I would say, I know we're getting ahead of this, but just to put this pin in. Yeah. Yeah. I think that a market adjustment budget should be conceptually a different budget. And even on paper, a different budget than an increased budget because, and this is the second point I wanted because we have this pattern and cows. Allocating the entire increased budget. Equally to every person in the team. And I think that's what we're going to do tonight is give everybody a 2.1% increase because that's what we budgeted and what we're not doing when we do that. Is going into executive session and considering right performance performance and using that budget as a merit. You know, a merit increase rather than just everybody gets the same thing. So that's my second comment is every year I've said this, and I do. I have a lot of ideas. But I just want to allow everyone to know that we can find. Band with. To. It, this is good. The fact that we even have a system is great. And. You know, deepening, deepening the cis, the cyst, the systematically, is that a word. So to so we can move on and get some of this other stuff done. There's a motion on the table to give all employees 2.1 salary increase as we determine and put in the budget. And there was a second. It would be good to get this. Yeah, we're talking about that. That's where you got a balance. Yeah, I'm going to talk about that. Yeah. That's where you do the market. If we do the market adjustment, that's all that. Raised by what they do. I mean, I can give you all kinds of examples. Right, we got to move on. Yeah, you're making a good point and we are looking at that. And we'll look at it here tonight too. Right. So, well, we like we're letting you talk to us. We just have. We want to vote on the motion. I'm going to say that I will vote for this. But, but I, I don't like that we aren't considering merit when we make increases. Well, we don't have that. Yeah, we don't have the time right now. We don't have the time because we keep getting ourselves into a position where we, we haven't spent the time and we haven't built a culture and expectation that we're going to shift it. And that's why I want to say out loud when we're on the record. So there's, you know, some awareness that there's other ways to do things and I could want to be in favor of that. Well, a lot of places do over. Everybody gets this increase, then they do merit increases the state does. That's the way the state operates and that's something we should be looking at. Right. And if we were doing that, it might not be the full 2.1%. It might be the 2.1% is a budget. And everybody gets 1.1 plus half of the delta. And then we use that little tiny, you know, some other method, but that's not where we are. Now, we go through the, we go through the, we go through the evaluations. You know, all day long. I see what you do. I know what you do. And I'm not like I'm going to talk about where I'm going to talk about all my issues. Yeah. I'm not going to talk about I know. Okay. So I just want to keep this. We're going. We're just in knowing what you see too. You got to give them a raise by what they do, not what they want. And we're also going to be looking at. is your insurance, your retirement, your life insurance, disability long-term, short-term, dental, the town pays those premiums, right? And that's huge. Why not huge? So that's something we are gonna look at and I don't think people really understand all of the benefits that there are. And also I just wanna say, you know, we're a volunteer board. We meet twice a month, sometimes more. So we have to do things in a certain progression and we can't just comment on things without meeting as of work. So anyway, so the motion is out there. It's been seconded. Are you ready to vote? Is there any, did you ask if anyone else had questions? Oh no, I didn't see anybody raise, take their video thing off so that we could see them if they had a question. So if anyone out there participating by Zoom has a question, we do have the option. You should have a toolbar at the bottom of your screen with the reaction stack where you can raise your hand to be recognized. You can also opt to enable your video and just raise your hand physically to be recognized. Or worst case scenario, just unmute your microphone and say, excuse me, pardon I have a question. Yeah. Or comment. Okay, hearing none. Okay, we don't have to vote individually now as we're back to public meeting. So everybody in the favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No none, okay. You have that Katie for the record? Okay, we have an election coming up on Wednesday and we budgeted $43,709 that's with this 2.1 increase for the position of town clerk. 43, what is it? It is 43,709, Fy 21, it was 42, 27. So we should decide if we're going to pay that to the newly elected town clerk. And we don't know who that is yet, right? All right, so what are people's thoughts? So that number was arrived at because we have a town clerk who has experience. It wasn't just developed over one year that number evolved over time. As I recall, there may have been a market adjustment even for that position at some point in time. So I think what we need to do is have some kind of mechanism. Once this person's elected, we bring them in at a certain rate and then be able to evaluate their performance and determine what's the appropriate compensation. And also have that conversation with whoever it is to make sure they have the tools they need to succeed if there's area that their experience doesn't cover and they need additional training. We need to be able to acknowledge that make sure they get it. That's another hit to the budget. So these are all factors that need to be considered. So are you suggesting we not decide tonight? No, I'm suggesting we might want to think of what we might want to think about is a starting level and then we evaluate after 90 days or whatever appropriate period of time the select board thinks and then offer an increase if it's appropriate. Other select board members' thoughts on that? Yeah, I kind of agree with that. I mean, if it's, I mean, we would want to, obviously build in inflationary costs from, say, if we had a starting salary, I don't know where we'd get that zero right in at that zero point, but we want to build inflation up from an active salary. So at least that's the real zero. That's not actually losing value, but yeah, maybe that's, do we do a revisit? Yeah, it's months or something like that, like it's typically done at that, but we need to make an adjustment from that point. I would think if we do that, we would have to budget to have that flexibility. So we'd have to have that allocation money set aside because we might have to salary to that point right away. Do we think that anybody that's on the jukie and it's money, do we think that anybody's looked at the budget and if we do that's what they're going to be making? I would assume that they have, right? Well, I think I have a different perspective with Cliff and Rick. And I have always struggled to wrap my head around this completely, but the town clerk doesn't report to us. The town clerk reports to Doug and all of us as citizens, but not as the board. And I don't, I assume it is not really our job to assess performance, right? I mean, the tax... The voters will assess performance. The voters assess performance. And also, you know, $43,000 a year for a, you know, demanding professional position isn't me, it's not crazy. It's not at all crazy. What I would like to see is a shift from what has been perceived and applied as an hourly position. I would like us to say, and maybe this kind of strikes the balance, that this is a salary position. You do the job that needs to be done. If that includes, you know, extra hours because you're on a learning curve, then we expect that's what you're going to do. If it means that, you know, you hear a lot of people that they want some Saturday morning hours, you know, they want some Monday morning that... So I think that's where I would come at it is I would, in good faith, be willing to pay $43,700 for a full-time, for what should be a full-time job. And it's going to be hopefully more than full-time if you're really putting yourself on the learning curve that Cliff is talking about, but that it be on a salary-grade basis, not hourly, which I'm going to say one more thing, means, I don't want to hear about how many hours you have to put in. You know, you're on a learning curve, one thing. B, you took a job that at times of election and other times requires a bump in your energy and a bump in your hours. Your hours, yeah. On the other hand, you don't cite your salary, your vacation schedule. So in, if you take time off to make up for that and restore your energy, that's up to you. So I don't feel like it's our job, the town's job, to be looking at how many hours. And here's another thought. I tend to think that whoever is running would have looked at the budget to see what the salary is that may not have run, because it was significantly less. And I agree that really the town's worth and ports to residents, to voters, the town with people. We set the salary when we do the budget. And if somebody has not been able to last for duties and do what they need to do and we have to get somebody in to help, we can, that's the next budget round, we can lower the salary. We're gonna have to process it. So we need to, I think we would cross that right when we get there. So that's my thoughts. And I think whoever gets elected is gonna hopefully be able to come up to speed pretty quickly and get the training they need. And hopefully a lot of things will work out. There's not a lot of options. I like the shared sector and support a professional position, certainly elected. I like that you've got salary, who we wanna see if other towns out there too, it's their salary position. If you get some idea, what I don't know is how many hours they work here. And so, you know, the town clerk, so if we've got some idea of that, that helps us to say, that does have a lot to do with our problems. Right, we can do some delving into that, we can see our own town clerk's salary, how many hours a week do they average? What is their pay? We can, we're doing some of this other delving into benefits kind of thing, because they do have the benefits as well. Yeah, they have all the same benefits as the worker. The VLCT survey that we participated in two years ago, I think it's that we've got the data, has salary, I believe it has salary, it may not, it definitely has for a time full-time. But again, the town clerk works for themselves and the town. Right, they're like this. So, yeah, we can't require the time for hours. There's a bunch of, I would just say, do the job that needs to be done, it's all working great, if the land records are well kept, the licenses get processed and nobody completes. Yeah. I think there, we just wanna be as fair as we can and that looked at the job, stayed up for a couple of hours because it required, that tells us, I think there's just an idea of where that salary would be. I think when after the election, whoever is all I could as town clerk, we should ask them to join us so we can meet them and chat. Well, regularly, maybe. Yeah. Well, Rick, maybe we have knowledge that we're not like we're assuming you have. I think our, my belief is that that town clerk job has been consistently 32 to 40 hours a week. Yeah. No, I think that, no, I think, I think we all kind of know that. Right. So I'm just, yeah. And I think during elections, getting the town report done, I think the hours increase, but I think it probably, hopefully it levels out. Yeah. Kind of thing. So, you know, we could ask a new town clerk and working with us, if they would track their hours. I know Judy was always very cooperative in how many hours. But I think on. The learning curve means you're gonna put in more hours. Yeah. So I wouldn't say for anybody. You know, if the new town clerk says I'm working 50 hours a week, I'd be like, yeah, welcome to a new job. That'll go down to feel good. You're right. Everybody want to take a new job. I mean, most of the salary, you know, the hour, really kind of very general, but I don't see it said in a salary position. It's not a very expectant hours. Another time a week, then you're not kind of obviously not competitive for beyond that, you start looking at who's the, who's your range higher. Well, and then in the town, in the town side, whether that person is doing the job. Right. I have a self-reforced. So I, we have still quite a few more things to do before seven. So, so can we have a, we have a hearing that we want, there should be a motion to pay the newly elected town clerk a salary of $43,709 for FY22. So both. And salary. Yeah. All right, are you ready to vote? Question. I'm assuming we have the bandwidth, the latitude to be able to make this a solid position does not require a statute change? No, I don't think so. Oh, I don't think so. No, I think plenty of town clerks already are salary. Yeah. As long as we're sitting there, I'll prove you. Yeah, I mean, certainly now, if we find out we're wrong, then we'll fix it. It certainly fits, you know, from a labor-standage perspective, you know, well, we pay our town charge, or he was an employee, and that's different a salary. So, right. But yeah, I mean, we make your own job, you make your own hours, you're not your boss. If we find out, we can always go back. We can, we can say so. But I don't, yeah. Are you ready to vote? Yeah. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right. Thank you. I think John might have just given me. No, John's and me. Oh, John's and me. Okay, nevermind. Somebody. Yes, I'm sure of it. Consideration of COVID bonus. Katie has her hand up. Oh, Katie, yes, I'm sorry. Can I ask a quick question? I see that the motion was for $42,700. At the beginning of the discussion, there was, I think the number I wrote down was $43,709 was budgeted for FY 22. But the amount that I just told you was correct. It's $42,700 for FY 22. Okay, it's $43,709. Thank you. They're really everywhere. Okay. Consideration of staff bonuses. As sort of as I recognize, how difficult things were when COVID was happening, everybody had to do things different, jump to different units, all these different things. There's ARPA money, and some of which can be used to give staff bonuses. I don't know yet all of the process for that, because we've been asked by CD-Cyber to turn over the majority of our funds to them for high-speed internet and whatnot. And I don't know, I did check with, I don't want to get ahead of myself here, but I checked with Cindy who helped us with the union stuff. Hey, Bruce, you're having a great time. To see if their firm was going to be doing administration, you know, keeping that entry of COVID money. And they aren't. I checked, I'm waiting to hear back from the Fatherbill Surveillance Valley to see if they're doing any kind of health details, because Santa really doesn't have the bandwidth. And it sounds like the reporting requirements for this COVID ARPA money are going to be pretty significant. There's going to be a lot of data, actually. There's going to be a lot of moving pieces. The deadline for applying for the money is July 15th. But we don't have to finalize, I guess, tonight, because we don't have all the information on me, the percentage of COVID bonuses. But I want to just have this discussion. So if we're checking on firms to help us with this money, we have an idea of what we're going to do with it. I think we'd all agree that giving some CD fiber was something we were considering. And I think I would like to see us give all of the staff a bonus, whether it's 100%, 3%, 5%. Yeah, and I did check, and that's a lot of them. And a lot of them use it for COVID funds. And Denise, I think when we were speaking the other day, you said that we also can use the funds to pay the person who's helping us manage the grant. That's really important. Yes. Yeah, you can use the COVID money, or the ARPA, I'm not going to call it COVID money, it's ARPA money. They can be paid through our, however much we get, I don't even know for sure how much we're going to get. We can pay for the somebody to manage the fund, use it just for bonuses, we can use some of the CD fiber. I don't know maybe what other things we might think of, but we have to think quick, because we have to request the money by July 15th. And then we can figure out who's going to be, how we're going to pay to have it managed later. Yes, well, sort of. I mean, if we can get somebody on board sooner, rather than later to help us manages, because we need somebody to go in there to this portal. I've attended some VLCT webinars and things like that, and you have to go into this portal, and request the money, and that has to be done by July 15th. So we don't want to wait until July 12th, when everybody else is doing it, and the system will probably crash. Right. So, is this something that we would actually advertise for a position, or is it something where we know somebody who's Scott and Doug are not paying attention? No, you guys need to behave. So I was starting to ask. It was a celebration. It was a celebration. It was about us. I was starting to ask if we know anybody who has skilled at grant management and has done that for the town before, that we could, that we, that we at least know there are people out there. If we're gonna pay, as you guys know, I'm a believer and we should put it in our front porch form, but it's always nice to know that there's certain people who might step forward to say, got the skills, done it before, have the time. Right. I think this is a whole new kind of, it's a whole new grant and a grant administration. That's why I was checking with some people that we've used before. Right. Just to see if their firms are doing it to give us some idea of, Yeah. Do they have somebody there with the skills to do it? And then I think we should interview if we have more than one, what percentage of this arco money would you take for your services? Right. You know, you have somebody that you're training to do this job. Because I think it's gonna be a lot. There's gonna be a lot of reporting requirements. We need somebody who's really on the ball. Well, and actually like the other thing that you're describing accomplishes is instead of being one deep because we've hired a one-off person who's gonna learn it, do it, and then they leave. If we hire an accounting firm or somebody like that who decides, oh, this is a business opportunity for us, then they're the ones who will keep the personnel trained on more. Right. And we don't have to worry about the personnel. And we don't have to worry about the personnel. Yeah, I actually like that. So you said you reached out to Sullivan and Powers. Yeah, right. So I'm gonna check with, I've got Sullivan and Powers and Nomeric, actually, Techward. So, state team and all of you. Well, then VLC, does VLC, did they have any ideas on this? Did they see, say who's gonna jump into this business? No, they have some of the VLC to you that they onboarded to work with towns with our fault. Any questions or something? They're not doing the grant administration. Right there. No, I wouldn't expect that. I would expect they might say, this is the kind of business, this is the kind of work that these kinds of entities will be picking up. Yeah. But no, they haven't said that yet. Personally, in that too, even in that art field, it's a possibility that we can't go over funding or something like that, to pick up on this. It's possible. I talked to Pam, I talked to Pam DeAndrea early on, because I was thinking the same thing, could we use it for something like that? And I think it's a possibility. I don't know that we have a final answer, but you might check with me. Definitely. Yeah. It's more the deadline that concerns me. Well, the deadline is we have to request the money. That's the critical thing that we have to do first, is request the money. And then dispersing it, we have time. And it's, I think, the ARPA funds run through 2024 for you to use them. And you've got to do all the reporting requirements. That's why it would be good if we could get some firm that's going to have employees that are trained and they worry about the personnel stuff and benefits and paying and all that. And who is, do we have, I think what I'm hearing is we don't have to know what we're applying for when we apply. No, no, we don't have to know for sure what we're going to spend it on, but we have to apply for it, like you like the chief. Right. And so, are we looking for one of those firms to also do the application or is it okay? Yep. So we may have to do a special meeting between now and our meeting on July 12th. If I'll get some more information and get it out there. So, okay, so this still just leaves us into, so we're not going to approve COVID bonuses because we don't know yet what money we're going to have available and what the whole High looks like. The hot looks like and what the demand's on it. And, you know, is it easier to just give CBFiber all the money and come up with bonus money out of our budget? So that's something to think about too. That to me depends on Can we find an administrator? Can we find an administrator? How much does CBFiber want? I have a bunch of questions about that proposal. Well, we know CBFiber wants all of it or whatever we can give them. That's what they said when they were here. They would take whatever we would give them but they would like to have it all. But I think we need to be, this is like, how to go, you know, this is one chance opportunity here. Oh, well, and then it's, yeah, this is a Christmas tree and it's our job to manage the demand zone. Right. They should ask for all of it. Good for them. All right, so you're ready to move on to the next time, public record. So when, so we're gonna, okay. Yeah, I guess. I'm gonna get some more information. Yeah. And then we may have to have a special meeting for the site. Hopefully we can find somebody to be the administrator of this money. Right. All right, public record request. Yeah, our public records request. Yes, Richard Hyde is with us this evening. Hello, Mr. Hyde. Asked, sent me an email. I believe it was on Friday, or maybe it was Thursday evening. Asking about the file that we developed while we were in union negotiations. That basically, it wasn't a, it wasn't like a full benchmark. Benchmark, thank you. That's the term I'm trying to find. Yeah. It wasn't a true benchmarking tool. It was just, we were trying to find out what the other towns around us were doing and also what some of the other union shops were doing so we could compare that information to what the union was requesting in the union contract. So I wanted to have the board discuss this because I think it is fair enough to share that information with the public. However, it does contain some very specific data with regards to the negotiations that were taking place at the time with union. And I would think that even though we're no longer part of those negotiations, it might be advisable that we redact that information. Well, just to be clear, the union withdrew from negotiations. Just to be crystal super clear, it was not the select board that withdrew from the negotiation. It was the union themselves. For the crew, right. It was the union. So anyways, so I don't know now whether or not, as you said, there's some information that might be sensitive, whether we want to redact it or we want to just put it out there. I mean, if the union negotiations are over, union withdrew from representation, is it still considered confidential or sensitive? And I guess I don't really know yet. Well, and is that part of it really the part that's of interest? Okay, I guess I mean, people could be interested. I don't know what it really gets you. The other part of it, the part that is basically public information, if you want to put the time into gathering it, right? All of the, you know, various pieces from other towns. I wouldn't really have any problem with sharing that. I just, with the understanding, this is, these may not be the right towns. It's incomplete. It's not a benchmark for this. It's on apples to apples, it weren't a storm, because it's impossible to have it because it's in each town tends to be different. Every town is different and it's incomplete. What's in that spreadsheet is just some pieces of final remembering. It's not the whole story. Yeah, it basically lists where we could get the information because not all the towns shared all of the information with us, but we asked about wages. We asked about benefits, health plans, dental life, but it doesn't talk about things like retirement. That's not included in this spot. So it wouldn't be a complete picture that you would require for benchmarking. But like I say, it's just, we were kind of on the fly trying to gather information so we could compare it to what the union was requesting in the contract. The other data that is somewhat sensitive in the document is for the other towns that provided information. They provided rates of pay and whatnot based on job titles. They did not give us individuals' names, but it does contain individuals' names who are employees of the town or employees of the town at the time that the study was put together. Right. And I don't know that that's necessarily public information. Yes, the amount of money that we budgeted for salaries or wages is part of the budget part of public records, but individuals' rates of pay, as far as I know, are not necessarily public information. Well, going back to my days in the state government, anybody could ask what I made and it's public information or what John Bell made or what Rick Keen made or what you made, you could ask specifically for that information. The other option too is the union. I mean, the crew all had copies of that same information. They could publicize it and chose. No. They don't have it? I thought they didn't. No. We had issued proposals that we were considering as a select board, but not all of those proposals were put in front of the union. Right. Right. Did you call up the one that is, the one that Jim looked at and redacted? Just to be clear to you about that. The union didn't withdraw. They decertified it. Right. They stopped representing it. Right. I don't know. I guess I have the wrong term now. Yeah. They decertified, which was technically withdrawing from negotiations. Negotiations. It's a lawful, not a big representative. Right. We were, the select board thought that they were ready to sign. And then all of a sudden we get this notice that, oh, we're decertifying. So we were just a little, we were shocked. Right. Well, and the, yeah. So the reason that we were looking at the towns we were looking at is because they were union towns we were trying to just get a sense. This, we even got to that pretty early on. We were trying to get a sense of what are we, you know, what are we talking about here? Because they, it's not like they handed us that information. No, we had to script. We had to go do the homework to inform ourselves with this union. What might we, what are we, what might we be dealing with? So we have this public records request. And by statute, we have to respond within three business states. Not three counties within business states. So the question is, I don't know, can the people click their arms and see this? I don't know, this works for sure. Oh, there, okay. Yeah. It looks like Jim redacted basically, yeah, kind of what we're talking about. Right. The stuff that is there for post numbers that. That. Post us plus some scenarios that the select board had considered to propose back to the union, but not all of those scenarios were floated in front of the units. Those were just in executive discussions. So Jim also redacted those. Yes. So, for example, there was super cool. Yeah, there was some different proposals that we had looked at. Jim redacted that recommended that we redact that as well, because it was related to these negotiations. Yeah. So do you click on it and starts a way is what I forget. Let's. Wages kind of starts an overview, just talking about what different towns do. And they're different rates of pay and whatnot. And these are the other towns that we looked at that we unionized. Correct. Yeah. So here in this tab is where we noted. Who is unionized. The contract period indicates this. They were you can tell me. And then comps and props props and that. That has specific. Wages and salaries by title. As well as specific numbers relate to proposals that Jim also redacted. And then the scrolling up. So these are all. Yeah. Available. Publicly, if you feel like doing a little more. So how would we. How would we share this with person who asked. Have the public writers request. Do we have to. What I would recommend we do because. Mr. Hyde did is the one who specifically requested it, but I know that there are definitely going to be other members of the community who would be curious. What I would recommend we do is that as we do with anything we look at in meetings, we make the. We can have a tab on the website that says. What this is. It can just be in the minutes of the meeting. I've got a normal process is. But I would also have a unique link that goes directly to that. So somebody came to any of us and said, I would like to see that document, please. We just send them the link. We can have a tab on the website that says. What this is. I would like to see that document, please. We just send them the link and they can go straight to it without having to search through the website in the minutes and all of that. Can we, can we. Can we overlay in like a text box. Two things, but can we. You know, maybe we don't know, but I would want us to PDF. The spreadsheets instead of. Well, and that would be blocked. It would be view only. And can we put a text box on. That says these are incomplete. And the slight word does not consider them benchmarks. If we were going to do benchmarking, we would be what we're saying earlier. We would be looking at the right towns, you know, similar size. We would look at comprehensively at vacations and, you know, the things that this doesn't really show. And we would be looking a little more than just the central Vermont neighborhood. And so that's, so that's like a little point. I would want text box. On to this too. How about, how about this, Sharon? If you would work with that for me. Sure. I can add it to every tab. Sure. Yep. Does I mean, does everybody agree? I think it would be good for people to see. Right. I think it's important for everyone to know the good benefits. That we give all of our employees. Okay. So I will, I will. I will. Word Smith. Something for the town. Something as a text box to over. You know what I mean? I say text box. Yeah. Just something that sits on top of, not on top of the whole thing, but it's like, what I would propose is we have. Sure. And we call it background or something like that. And then we just put it in a statement that you have. You can add a tab. Yeah. You can delete them too. That would be fun with it. Probably should. Well, I'm going to actually, I agree with the intro tab, but I'm going to make a pitch clip that we actually have a text box because. Because people, you know, I'm certainly willing to do that. The reason I suggest that we also have a tab is because we have some tabs here where the information pretty much covers it. And you're not going to see that text box unless you make a point of scrolling through the entire document. You could like. Well, so you could like. Or I could do it at the beginning. You could. Yeah, you could insert a couple of rows and merge. Like a new line seven. Merge it with the big thing in there. And the reason that I think that's, that's good is because, you know, Denise just asked, oh, you can, you can add a tab. People who aren't really. Very. So the idea that you can actually move around on tabs is going to be, it's not going to be known to everybody. So I want that statement on. Anyway, so we've solved the problem. Yep. Yep. Can you get to me first thing in the morning so that I can circulate this within the. Yeah. Yep. I will work something tonight, works with something tonight. So I think that if we think for with it and we can change it over time, right? So the record should be the record should reflect. In the minutes. That we are responding to Mr. Hyde's. Reference request. By providing the information. I don't know what we're going to call this. We're going to call this. It's a, it's a study of. Wages and insurance. Studying that was done in May of. 2020. Okay. And we will make that available to the public. And I think that should. Answer. Mr. Hyde's request and we're doing it within the free. Business day time frame that we need to deal with. Do we. I wonder, I guess we should make a motion. To. Put this information forward. And so, so everything Denise just said, Katie, if you've got all that. And I want to add. And then I will make the motion. And we are redacting as advised by town council. And then with that, but that adds. So you kind of add it to what I said. And you're making the motion. So essentially it's already. Yeah. So we. We're adding detail. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But I did promise. Mr. Hyde. Yes. And then with that, but that adds so. So you kind of added to what I said. Yeah. And you're making the motion. Yeah. So we're going to come in this. I mean, we'll also be. Essentially it's already. Yeah. So we. We're adding detail. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I promise Mr. Hyde. Yeah. Yeah. We want the changes in the file. And it goes out. Yeah. Right. Okay. Has any comments or questions. Yeah, I don't know. Anybody in zoom land. Any comments or questions. Yeah. Zoom land is very quiet. And not. And not. What about. Oh, I didn't. Sorry. We all get to fit the exhaustive before. Yeah. I want to talk about the guy. I'm talking two hours. It's very cool. Good. Very well. My head with it. You too. I can state. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to go with the Saturday. After he said. I think. I. I don't like what's going on there. Yeah. I don't like it. The way they have five day. They work five. They don't work five days. They work four. Come on. We have plenty on. Two. You know, Spree. No wonder they got more help. We. Can't afford a taxpayer scheme. And we like. And we let it go on and on and on. Just so you understand, the town clerk gets to set the hours. We don't have any control over it. We can. It's in statute. Huh? It's in statute. Well, he said he would think about Saturday morning. Nice. That's nice. That's what people should do. Yeah. I said, I don't know what they can get off. Or how they would get it out. Just give a Saturday morning to people to work every day. Yeah. And he's interested in doing it. Very qualified. I tell you. Yeah. Two hours. Yeah. Right. Very good. Yeah. Very good. The other guy. Well, and so, yeah, Doug, it's state law that the town clerk, the town clerk is an independent person. Report. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. You hire him. They're both men who are running. You hire him when you, when the town elects him, just like you hire us. When we're elected and we're accountable to you. So. We do our best. We do our best to be. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best to be elected. We do our best. I want it. You know what? Talk to me about things. I want to talk about this. I want to sign on the road. I had an accident last week. Okay. John Ray man. Yeah. Really hard. The one. We have the agenda. But tonight, if you have something that you want to put on the agenda, I'm going to copy some of the agenda. I was going to say, I will start trying to bring an extra copy. If you're going to. All right. I'll email it to you. Do you want to email change for the agenda? Yeah. I'm going to bring, I'm going to start when I print one out for me, I'm going to print a couple of extra. We should have some extra anyways. Show up. Yeah. We also need to be captured to do Katie. To read state sign-in sheets. Oh, right. Sign-in sheets. Yes. Those are the things we used to do before COVID. We forgot about. And so, yeah, our task is always trying to get too many things. And I'll bring more people with me. And we'll talk about speaking signs. And talk about the road to me. We'll talk about. There's a lot. I'm making a note though. Because we are going to have time tonight to get into that, but I'll make a note to put in our, our next agenda. I'll make a note. I'll make a note. I'll make a note. I'll make a note. I'll make a note. I'll make a note. I'll make a note. I'll make a note. I'll make a note to put in our. Our next agenda. July 12th. Okay. So signage. We've got a motion. Yeah. Yes. Well, I have. I had a question. Maybe the question is super later. I just wanted to elaborate a little bit about the Roku's version of why they didn't like it. Well, our very first reading was a fire show, and Roku was more than two hours, maybe two hours, three minutes, and all we wanted, the Roku one, to talk about his wages. And it's like we're talking about the fine-lawing definitions and everything, we never regret the wages. So there's a long time for the next meeting. Twice, the union file grievances and regulations were to enforce meetings. It was once. It was once, yeah. It was once, and then they retracted it in order to get a meeting. But both of those are five months and 23 months or something like that. No, I'm keeping that. This is well before COVID. We can't really, it went a long time without meeting this then. Every time we got a meeting, it seemed like the first union proposal was 2495 for me. That had not been completed. I did not close. But every time another proposal came out, there was nothing to the Roku, and there was additions down the line. There was nothing to add on, including raising the 10 to 15 percent on the books. The union got frustrated, especially after Paul Dach. It was only two people that were paying the dues. This is why the union got Paul Dach and it was only two of that to pay dues. And we didn't sign it because at the demonstrates that were on it, and all the other stuff that was on it, we didn't think it was a good deal. However, after the union dropped out, we were, this is my proposal was to go with the union proposal because without having to pay the dues, now it's a fair trade. Just to be clear, there was one thing that was filed with the Labor Relations Board, and we explained that the contract requested us as we were doing budget season. Then we had COVID, and you were on three months leave. So in a month, all of that stuff going on as a volunteer board, we met, I can't even tell you how many times, a lot of times, we met with our consultant over Zoom because we couldn't meet in person, and you know, we had, I can't even tell you, I'd have to count out how many times we met, but it was a lot. And then we met with you folks at the counter a couple of times, we met at the corner community center, and in negotiations, unfortunately, nobody gets everything they want. We didn't get everything they want, we didn't get everything they wanted, and that's the nature of negotiations. And to be clear, we sent you a memo with your retroactive pay asking for an opportunity to meet with the road crew before we could even get there, other things materialized. Some of the information that was circulated was in Azure. Some of the stuff that was circulated, I'm not going to mention names, the fact that the union was busted by the select board is not accurate. That's not how it was reported. Anyway, we're not going to get into picking all of this part time, it's not on the agenda for that tonight. Okay. But we do want to set up a time, and that would be probably a better time if you want to talk further about this. I want to say something to respond to some of the points that Bruce made and Bill that what Denise just said. In addition to the innumerable times that the select board met with our own consultant to work on our piece of it, our consultant and the union rep met a lot of times. And also, it wasn't just, there were points where it wasn't the select board, like we would put forward a proposal, and I think at one point, at least once, several times it was weeks, once it was months before we heard back, and we were kind of saying, well, maybe we should. Of course, we're not going to complain about that, but yeah, sometimes it was not very prompt in responding to what we said. See, these are the pieces that you're missing, and I'll give a little story to the public, and that's not fair. It's not on us, in other words, there. You put it on us, and it's not. Right, right. And I mean, my recollection is the first meeting that we had with you guys was right as we were heading into budget, and then we had to work on the budget, and we also did some work here and there on it. But by the time we'd finished up the budget, it was March, it was March a year and a half ago. We did, well, we met at the town garage, because I know we all had masks on. Right, but I mean, COVID was a very big participant in our ability to be productive. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, we called the union in July, at the end of the month of August. If I have time, I'm going to go back and figure out how to meet. We actually sent an important message. And then that was impacted by COVID, and you don't do Zinni. So you kind of left us with our hands tied, now we're going to meet. If you don't present them, and you're on my phone. So I'm saying, what I'm saying is, yes, I appreciate what you all wanted, but I think the other side of the story is important. And if we're going to work together going forward, we can't be bashing each other. I know. And I felt like you were bashing me in your last meeting. No, we're just trying to set this record straight, because the only time we can respond is in a board meeting. Yeah, I've been trying to be considerate. Yeah, and we are too. So let's work to us. Let's survey for a meeting and see how we can look at this and learn from this experience and move forward. We're willing to look at what the proposals were that were in the negotiation. We're willing to look at that. But we also need the road crew to work with us. All right. The question was, what is the difference? We keep talking about how we're in the health insurance. We're on the step above other times. What is the monetary amount that we're paying more than the next step down? We can get you some information that will show you the benefits that you receive from the town. What your share is, how much percentage, let's say the percentage of city premium for the health insurance is $100. You're paying 10%. So you're paying $10. We're paying $90 of that $100. Right. So we can look at all that. China, what I'm asking is, monetary amount, say, I don't know, what is our premium per person? Like $11,000, $14,000. What I'm getting at is, our plan is not thousands and thousands of dollars more than what I've accounted for, but I'm thousands and thousands of dollars on the A, the very, very bad. So that's, you keep bringing up the health insurance premium, but it's only, I think it's $14,000 more than what I've accounted for. Well, the town also, can we, I actually, I'm going to ask her for a up on this because this is, this is to me, Bruce, you came here asking for information that Denise is now pulling out of her brain. You're pulling out of your brain. Now nobody has the facts in front of them. This is, this is the kind of conversation that needs to happen at a meeting, at a meeting, at a, Why are you bringing up a mask so that we can move it over so that you have this position to bring to us when you meet? Right. So also this is exactly the kinds of conversations that we were having with the union. So I wouldn't be surprised if you have some of this information in the materials that you got from the union. I don't know what they were. But we need to, we need to, and one more thing I want to say, Denise, you offered to make a timeline of all the meetings and I'm going to, I'm going to urge you not to do that. Nothing is going to result from a timeline other than he said, she said, and it's, it's not using our, it doesn't change a dang thing about what already happened. But we have to do, yeah, don't do it. We have to put our attention instead into how do we move forward productively. So let's pick a date now. I know you mentioned something about Wednesday afternoon at four o'clock. I'm available. Are you available? Um, maybe available. Wednesday, this Wednesday? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if John's available or not. Um, but we want to do this sooner rather than later before more misinformation is disseminated. Um, I actually can do this Wednesday. You want to do it here or at the time for us at four? Yeah, you might be more comfortable. Yeah, I think there's no ceaseless. Cheers. Okay. So, but are we going to be able to have, we're not going to have any data? No, but I think we just need to, I think there's some data that we already have. I think we just need to come together as a team, talk about this, figure it out, see what we need to look into, and then, and then we may have to meet again. Okay. Um, so this is just, this is just a face to face. We're, so it's a debrief. We're not making any, no promises, no promises. This is just to talk and move forward together. And, and we'll, you can leave. Okay, we'll go to bring it, bring it, bring it the next day. I'm getting 95% of the people who get to the door are ready to leave. Because they don't want to hear from you. Well, so anyway, it would say four or five. And people who come on, they're saying, we're just good 60 to say the word and say, anybody with a CBL, maybe it's called out to me again. We have a full agenda. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I really appreciate you taking the time and coming tonight and being very respectful. We're very happy about that. So let's plan to meet on Wednesday at four here at the Town Hall and bring a petition. And who's going to let them, who do we know for sure that the rest of the crew is available? Because this should be a meeting with everybody that just hurts. Yeah, I mean, we gotta work for you right there. Make sure the notes, make sure the notes here. Well, we'll be here at four. So when you guys show up. No, no, Denise, I'm sorry. This is Barbara. We have an election at the Town Hall on Wednesday. Oh, you're right. You're right. Thank you. All right. You get your way. Town garage. But it won't be as nice as it is. Well, I appreciate it. Just clean the bathroom ahead of time. Just make sure the bathroom is clean. That was a lot of work. Every time we came there, that was a nice thing. Make sure the bathroom is clean. So Bruce is going to let the crew know and we'll do it there. Okay. Well, I was going to suggest that we continue this meeting tonight to four o'clock on Wednesday. I can do a separate agenda if that's better, but I don't know. Would this be an executive session? I don't know. Is it personal? I would encourage to try and avoid the executive session as much as possible. And that's a good idea. I'm going to sit and rise in the course where we have to say, this is something we need to discuss in the executive session. Right. The goal should be to have an open discussion that the public is available to, is able to participate in as well. We're not going to share it. It won't be zoomable, right? It would be difficult to make it zoomable given the connection there at the garage. Right. I agree. So it's a public meeting. Certain items may get cut off for, because they belong in executive sessions. Right. People can come, but we won't be able to zoom. So I'll do an agenda rather than just continue this meeting so that it's duly mourned and people have an opportunity. I think we're going to end up doing less and apologizing and explaining if we just do it that way. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Four o'clock. All right. Thank you. Good to see you. Take care. You too. Okay. So we need to accept the letter of resignation from one of the room, two members. Uh, and then what, then we're just going to write a note. Yes, I just circulated. Yes. Very, I think it's just good. We did it. Yeah. We started doing this. Just do it. I think it's, I think we should not be asking ourselves whether I make a motion that we all, I'm glad you brought it to me. So we circulate and I'll sign the letter of accepting resignation of a red group member. Second. You have a question. Do we are trying to establish systemic processes and one of the processes that we've discussed is having an accident. Is this something we want to consider? Yes, that's a really good idea. We did that with Paul. Yep. Yep. Another thing you can remember. I agree. Yep. An exit interview. Sure. When is the last day? His last day is late. So I could, I could add a sentence to this letter requesting an exit interview and if I can either sign it or I can bring it Wednesday. Let's do that. And never go to the signer. Yep. And we had questions. The only thought I had is Wednesday might be an opportunity to have that. Yeah, me too. Oh, I could call him. No, I have his email. I can email him. Yeah. And then we can still sign it on Wednesday. So that's formal in the record. Can we do that in an executive session? No, we would do that in an executive session. Absolutely. Absolutely. And does anybody, I think I will, I will try to find, we had a set of questions that we use when we met with Paul. Yeah, I have them. I found them the other day when I was tuning out stuff. Yep. We had a specific set of questions that we should kind of do the same thing. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. All right. So I will contact that crew member. And then we're going to sign the letter on Wednesday, notwithstanding that we're going to meet with that sign. Okay. And then we have two more things to get through. But we did the, we just scheduled the meeting. Yeah, we were, I guess we just need to clear our zoning administrator hiring process. There were some emails circulating around the Bob was going to be designing and notified. The planning commission or whatever, but the correct process is for him to notify the select board. The way that the way it works is that the planning commission recommends and the select board hires that's in statute. Um, so I think we want to come, we want to process where we're giving other people an opportunity to apply for the job. We didn't have great luck. But when we were looking after, I guess it was Dot maybe or John said, I can't do this anymore. Yeah. We don't like, we don't look at like one applicant. So it's not like there's going to be a huge diligence, but I think it's our diligence to advertise for the position. Perhaps somebody in the wings that is interested. I think we have to get into a process where we're treating all of the stuff fairly across the board. Yep. Yep. No, and eventually people will catch on that goes out there. You know, we always, there are opportunities to volunteer and serve the town. And if we, if we let ourselves get trapped in nobody's going to apply, then we're not creating them. So, so that would be my suggestion that we advertise for the position. And I think from talking with Jan on the planning commission, they're, I think they're an agreement that that would, and I think they would be the ones actually putting out the act. Yeah. I was going to say, they can delegate it to them. Yeah. They're, they're, they're providing us with recommended candidates. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So I make the motion that we that we delegate to the planning commission, the task of advertising in our accepted places. And I think we put front porch form on the list this year. Yeah. And it wouldn't hurt they get advertising. And the Harvard, do we take that on? Or do we leave that on and add them? No, front, front, front porch form is not, I mean, Harvard is that is not a normal place where we post notices. Okay. It is. If we're, if we're more in a DRV here, okay, it goes to Harvard. But I think there's something like this, we should also maybe post it in hard. So we don't have to follow our normal notice procedures for this. No, but we should post it in those places. Right. So we're, so that's, yeah. So the motion is that we post it in the, in the town's official places, which I think includes front porch form. Yeah. It's a front porch form, website, Harvard, or east house post office. Oh, I see what you mean. And the newspaper is, is, is the dish is different. There's something like this, I think we should go in the news. Yeah. Just like your DRV notices and it's like that. So Katie, what did we just say? Okay. Sharon, when Fanon made a motion to delegate to the planning commission and the task of advertising in the town's identified locations and additionally the Hardwick Gazette. I'll say that. Any further discussion, comment? Are you ready to vote? All our David, can you say aye? Aye. Any opposed? There are none. We should hear us. All right. So I don't know if we've kind of heard a public comment Friday's not on the agenda. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, it's just, it's really hard to hear it. Is it? It's really hard to hear it. We need more furniture. We need to put a couple of hard bits. I was going to say curtains. I think you definitely need some curtains here. I mean, I'm here, you couldn't even, someone's like right in your face, which I'm not complaining about the sun. I've been appearing as a halo around you. That's exactly right. Yeah, right. Don't get, don't get here. Okay. Just a comment. No, yeah. No. Yeah. Well, actually it is good to know because aren't there things that architectural construction people, like we are saying rugs and curtains, but aren't there other things? Yeah. Little, little like foam things. Acoustic foams. Yeah. They can reduce the brightness of the room. And we have access to someone who's very versed in such things. Really said reduce the brightness, but you mean the reduce the noise. Brightness is a term. Oh, I know, we're still on halo. Okay. The more people, the more the time maybe you have actually the more people might help. It does. Well, when Doug brings all his friends, we say, bring your cows. We'll test it. Bring your cows. I don't have a lot of Spanish. That's actually really, that is actually really good feedback. Yeah. No, thank you. I didn't realize that. I've been in trouble understanding you. Okay. I don't know if there is, we're going to be meeting with the friends to look at the management agreement and the rental T schedule. And I, I don't know if there's anything in the management agreement that talks about buildings and grounds. Right now we have one of the road crew that's kind of mowing some of this area. And then in the back, we have the Edible Barrier people that we're looking at maybe helping out with some of, some of that maintenance. We haven't, we haven't said anything. Oh, yeah, I know. It's like a weed buyer on steroids. So, my cow is all that. That's a blade, a triple blade. Yeah. And that's, will be very good over those banks. But you just made this. It's a real off. Thank you. Let's go. Reid, can you introduce yourself so Katie has your name. I've been feeding her. Okay. Because people come in and I just need her text. I don't want to step up in the fridge. Yeah, well, I would, I would say of having a management agreement in place. This isn't going to go away anytime soon. I would encourage the board to take read up on this offer. Alfie, are you catching all this? Would you be able to hear what Reid was saying? I am here, but I can't really understand real well what people are saying because there's such a background. Basically Reid has offered to do an initial mowing for the season because the grass weeds have gotten pretty high. He's got some equipment that can make, take care of it in short order. So, the board is leading, taking them up on this very generous offer to do it as a one-time only thing. But after that, do you think we'd be able to arrange to have Ed Raul come over on a regular basis and do the mowing? Yes, I believe we can, particularly around the building itself. Down around the field, down around in the field and near the septic system, all that would be too much for a little mower. But Reid has some equipment that can handle those parts of it as well and he would set up the initial pattern of where Ed would need to mow. Okay. So, is he donating his time for this? Yes. I can talk. I can talk to Ed about it. He has some ideas. I have to say now that I've said what I've said, that I probably couldn't do it until sometime between the 10th and 15th of July. But have you, could you also, you know, Jamie, because I talked to her about them doing some mowing out here. So, maybe it could be coordinated, but I haven't put it on an agenda yet. Yeah, I don't want to get into their territory, but it seems to me there's a very clear line between the septic mound and the gas tank. It's a draw line and all their plantings are below that. And I also just, so this would be one kind of thing that we don't have the management agreement done. Cliff, is there, is there anything the management agreement that talks about? It talks about the friends coordinating with the select board upon maintenance issues and helping to address them. So, what we're imagining is it is the responsibility of the town unless the town says to the friends, we want you to manage that. But we are willing to help you manage that. Okay. And then if it becomes, well, we want you guys to do all of that, then that's another discussion we have to have. I just didn't want to step on toes. Okay, so you're going to, maybe coordinate with, I'll coordinate with Jamie and Raul. Yeah, okay. And I'll do it by the 15th. But don't do it if it's 90 degrees, please. And don't do it this Wednesday. Great. Yeah, town meeting. Yeah, special, isn't this special? Oh, it's a special election. Thank you, Rae. Related to that too, we noticed as well, we need to capture that to do, Katie. We need to get Andy to the plywood that we use to protect the windows and the windows falling over. And it's exposed to the weather, so that needs to be tight. It's out back. And it's normally under the overhang, but it looks like it has fallen. And so it means to get put back and we might have to put some kind of brace against it. Is there no place to store it? I don't know if it would fit into the surgeon back there. But does that work so often? So we need to like put some kind of a here, right? We might have to have something to do. Yeah, yeah, we don't want it to fall on somebody. We need it to be upright. Yep. Okay. All right, you're ready to move on. We have Sandra in queue somewhere. I thought, oh, there she is. We need to review the treasure report. We're going to the tax collected report. Sorry about that. Oh, no, that's okay. The May treasurer's report is the report you're looking at. Does anyone have any questions about that? Call it up, Sandy. All right, I know that was busy. Do you know this technology? Look at that owl thing when it looks at you. It looks like an owl. Okay, you want to start with the May 21 Treasurer's report, Sandra? Sure, that would be fine. The May 21 Treasurer's report was predictive of ending the year on a positive note with fund balances in both the highway and general funds. The highway revenues were static as of May. We did not expect any other revenues to come in. We did expect more expenses naturally, and we projected, as I said, a highway fund balance, which once the year is closed would be rolled over into the highway capital equipment fund. As far as the general government is concerned, revenues continue to come in primarily delinquent taxes, interest, and recording fees, zoning fees, etc. The May report was predictive that we would end the year having spent less than our revenues were. I did run a preliminary June report, and the year did land, although these are unordered balances, the year did land with both general government and highway funds being in the black, and that's good. Highway fund looks like it's roughly $152,000 in the black. Now we're talking about June at this point, because basically I'm just about to close our year. That $152,000 will get rolled over into the capital equipment fund to firstly pay the lease on the 2019 West Star, which will come due in January 2022. We're still having money left over even after that, right? Yes, $152,000 will go in. There's $16,000 in there now. The reason for this overage is there are multiple reasons, mostly having to do with grant monies coming in, as well as one additional state aid to highway payment that was related to COVID that we wouldn't see again. It was an unbudgeted revenue of $42,000, almost $43,000. General government, I mean we just spent a little less than what we budgeted for. I don't really, actually we spent a little more than we budgeted for due to COVID and other technical issues having to do with equipment and so forth in order to meet the needs of continuing to do municipal business under the pandemic protocols. We also had the election expenses were more than we anticipated. However, many of them were reimbursed by the Secretary of State's office. We look like, again, this is an unaudited balance. It looks like we're going to roll over into the general fund balance, $36,000 in the general fund. So we ended the year. It looks like we're going to end the year very well. When the auditors come in, they will make some tweaks to that of which that's what they do. But we're, again, in the black and both of those categories. Any questions? It's a very good report. We did very well. They're coming the 15th and the 16th of July. So I have updated the delinquent tax report. That's this report, of course, is as of May 31st, 2021, but we are now at June 28th. Why don't we just take a quick look at that? That is also a very positive report at this point. Our delinquent taxes for the 2020 tax year, which is the FY21 fiscal year, are $6,700. That's how much is uncollected. And Cliff, do you have the updated version that we can look at? No, no, no, no. Here's the problem. Yeah, yeah. This is a tech problem that we should address outside. But let me say what just happened. I tried to print the PDF and it was printing. It was printing like the upper most left corner only. Do you know what I mean? So I opened it in Word, which is where you just got your... So anyway, sometimes they do strange things. I don't know, Cliff, if there's a hot tip out there, you can offer us for when that happens. So that was my solution. Okay. I've got another solution. You don't have to do it now, though, because it's what we need right on our standards. What's the one line on when it works? Yeah, we can adjust that in a separate discussion. What I'm going to do right now is pull Senator's document up on the screen. And I did, as a Word document, I was able to print it. So wasn't that the one right there? It won't format properly because it's meant to be a PDF and that forces it to open in Word when we open it from the drive. But wasn't the PDF still there? I can't pivot the document so it's readable. Everybody has to turn their heads sideways to the prototype. Yeah, that's what happens when I try to open the document. Oh, that's not because I opened it in Word. That's just a stupid document. Okay. So I'm going to go here. And this, we get down to the gist of what we want to talk about. And we can pivot this. Let me pull that up on the screen share. Take it away, Senator. So we have six delinquent parcels, as you can see in Goldenrod are parcels where the taxpayer intended to pay the bill in full, but paid the bill after the next bill came out. And so there is a delinquency as the result of that. The parcels highlighted in white require no action at this time. The first parcel, parcel number two, will be paid in full in July. This person is on a payment plan for $105 a month. The last parcel has spoken with the attorney today. The last parcel number six, it's in white. It's in a white band. Excuse me. She's telling us, I think she's working her way to the one she really wants us to focus on. So the parcel in the white band does not appear to have been redeemed, which means that the tax sale will go through. There will be new owners. We will get their names in the next couple of days. And before I would, I would recommend to the board that before you would send this to collections. You'd give the new owners an opportunity to pay these taxes in full. I do, I, I know who the owners are and I suspect they will be very happy to make that payment in full as soon as they get the deed. The remaining band. Yeah. All right. I didn't mean to yell at you. Yeah, right. Isn't the, isn't the tax actually paid as part of the closing process? The tax sale was for 2019 and 2018 taxes. These are the 2020 taxes. So the tax bills that were sent out that last April, this amount represents that, that tax plus the penalty and interest that has accrued since September, 2020. So the tax sale was for the previous year. And this has been the core of that this parcel has taken over the last four or five years. So no, these were not taken care of at that time. I mean, they weren't due when Axel which was June 23rd, 2020 tax bills for the 2020 tax year went out in August 2020. So that amount is the result of those tax bills, the 2020 tax bills. Okay. Number five is a troublesome parcel. This person, the taxpayer has had no contact and has made no payments at all. Mail would seemingly have gotten to the taxpayer. I send out the bills and the warrant every month. I happen to have an email for this taxpayer and I have reached out by email. This person, as far as I know, has not been on our delinquent tax list before. And this is, I would say, you know, I don't, I would say this is a senior member of our community. I am perplexed. I have reached out to people hoping to discover someone who would know this taxpayer and who could do a personal reach out. And I haven't discovered anyone yet. This looks like a parcel under our policy that would go to collections. I have exhausted all means at contacting this person. Do we know, you said this person is a senior. It would be nice to know that the person is okay from starters. But you said no mail has come back. No mail has come back. And the person hasn't been like ill and maybe moved to a nursing home and the house is sitting there. We don't know any of that. That house is, as far as I, as I know, as far as the listers know, that house is not for sale. Concerning that somebody like that respond. Yeah, actually it is concerning. And I very reluctantly encourage this. I reluctantly send this to collections. It meets all of our policy for doing so. So I would say to the select board, this is maybe an area of compassion. If you as a board can go and see if someone in the community knows this taxpayer and can get their attention or at least find out what their situation is. This does not feel comfortable to me. There feels like there's a back story. I'm wondering sometimes if somebody is living alone and they got ill and they're in a nursing home. Somebody could be taking in the mail and not opening it. I mean we don't know. I think I would feel more comfortable knowing that the person is okay for one thing. Yes, I would as well. It is the only parcel that, at least the criteria for a tax sale. I just think there could be more that we could do on a personal level. We could discover what that situation is. Now this person could be very cantankerous and just decided not to pay. And that's of course always a possibility, but that's really kind of an outlier situation. And I wouldn't expect that here. And if that's the situation okay, but I would just feel more comfortable knowing this person is okay. May I ask is there anyone on the board or in the audience who knows this taxpayer? Is anybody out there? The audience for the folks in Zoom room, the audience is just you all. I see. I thought there was another list of people. They can't see this. Everybody can see it. So people who are here in the hall with us, Sandra, have all left. So it's just the board members who are in the building right now. So the only other people in attendance are people in the Zoom audience. I think everybody should just put on their thinking cap and see if the person is cantankerous and whatever that's okay. But let's see a community if we can figure out if the person is okay. That is my recommendation here before. That's what I think. It's on a Blackberry Hill. That property's been sold, I think, Sandra. It has. I think so. I'm thinking it is. I can say the name because I think it's important that the name be said so we can discover this. Joanne Eiley. There was a property sold up there. But I didn't think it was hers. I talked to Jan Olson. And it's still in her name. And of Chapin. Yeah. Part of Blackberry Ridge development out there. Right. Well, we don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this, but if somebody has some information and knows the person's okay, that would be good to know. It seems like it's been sold, though, something would be coming to the town to record the land records. It would. And the town clerk has not indicated that there is a transfer of record nor have the listers. Albert, if you know something, you can call me tomorrow morning or email me. Well, I can call you regardless. Thank you. Yeah, I don't know a lot. It just seems like I know that name and it seems like that place was sold, but I may be mistaken. A lot of those properties have changed hands out there in the last couple, three years. There's another person with that same last name that he lives right there, too, as well. Nicholas. Is it Nick? Yeah, I was just, well, I just filled up the grand list. I mean, what follows me is that any time a property is sold, the best practice is that Sandra gets a chance to report on whether there are taxes to. Great. Right. Yeah. Well, maybe it's kind of works, but let's move on. And if anybody has any information. So they, so back to that, you don't need to pull it up. We do have a three and spent four or five dollars already attempting to collect these small amounts. I would suggest at this point it would probably be more cost effective to to abate these amounts through the Board of Abatement. I don't really can't say that they're going to be paid. And to send a 55 cent stamp, ink, paper, month after month on these bills seems to be a losing proposition. We should have a Board of Abatement hearing and do like we do it the way we, you know, the process that we usually do. That would be my recommendation, but of course that is up to the select Board to decide if that's the course we want to take. Otherwise, our delinquent taxes look very, very positive this year. Well, the numbers speak for themselves. Who's barking out there? You want to speak? That's Ranger. Ranger's barking. Do you have something you'd like to contribute to the meeting? He wants to get the new kitten he's agitated by. Yeah. All right. So that's the delinquent tax report. Does anyone have any questions about that? No, I read you. Thank you. That's an impressive. Will we want to talk about end of fiscal year stuff sooner than the last meeting in July, maybe on July 12th, do we need to do anything? You don't need to do a thing. The auditors will be in. I will, I'm 90%, 95% prepared for the audit. At this point, I have to close the fiscal year in the module. That has to happen. If the auditors aren't coming until the 15th and the 16th, there's probably nothing to really talk about on the 12th. I can present the unaudited June balance sheet and the final numbers. I think highway is going to sit tight. I don't think the highway is going to have any more expenditures and they certainly aren't going to have any more revenues. The general government is going to change a titch. There will be a few more revenues coming in and probably no more expenditures. So if anything, general government is going to look a little better than it does now. The balance sheet, I did run a preliminary balance sheet. We're going to close this fiscal year in excess of $400,000 in our general fund. That's what it looks like to me this time. Is that clue highway or just general? That's the general fund. The highway is excluded from that. Of course, the highway looks like we're going to roll over $152,000 into the highway capital equipment fund. My only word of my call for the select board to consider is, I mean, that's a nice chunk of change and you're going to use it wisely naturally. But every year, it's just simply not going to be like this. One other way to be able to fund our capital equipment expenses is to, in addition to these rollovers, which some are large and some are not, and some years we're in the negative, another way to deal with that would be to put into the highway budget itself a line item and an appropriation for that capital equipment fund. This is, I think, a real, this is an outlier from what I can see in other years. I haven't seen anything like this roll over into the highway capital equipment fund. It wasn't unusual a year, of course, but next year there might be nothing. There might be $3,000 to roll over. So I thought for the board might be to consider including in the highway budget a set amount to go into that fund so that you always have what you need when you need it. Other than that, you're saying a line item rather than just taking what is, if we're lucky enough, to have some roll over. Yeah, it's more of a planning tool than a hit or miss, than good luck. So as we appropriate say for the town hall to maintain the town hall or to maintain the town office or to appropriate to the conservation commission, the highway would have a line similar to those lines that would be appropriation to the capital equipment fund. And I think a conversation with Toby and Alfred to see what that number might want to be. This could be the year to really be able to dig your teeth into a very real comfortable capital equipment plan that could lower our payments, which would then offset that additional line item in the budget. I think there's an opportunity here that you haven't had before that you could capitalize on it. The board and Toby and Alfred thought that would be wise. Say that. I've built out a model many years ago. No, no. Who is talking to me? I can't see you. It's Rick. Rick, hi. Hey, I've built out a model for the school and I've done it for buildings years ago that, you know, I've looked forward and in this case it was for building infrastructure. So I've looked 130 years and I let you play with and it was built around capital budgeting. So you actually capitalized appreciation every year. I mean, a physical appreciation on equipment so that you funded a flat fund every year, a flat amount, and you never wanted you had enough money based on the retirement cycles to be able to do it. That's what you're saying. We might be able to modify that for the equipment so that, you know, we can, and that's fully adjustable. You can model with it. You can put in any estimated life information. It's all bit of care, it accounts for inflation, everything. So maybe something that I immediately, I was funny, you brought this up and I, when I heard that number, I was about the asset question whether we should consider using this. This is a windfall of cash that you put in. You don't actually, you know, we would actually use it to spread across all the equipment but use it to reduce the annual contribution every year. In a graduate, you build that up to where you have one fixed number and it's very small. It's been based on the total life depreciation of all the equipment and operating expense. So yeah, I mean, I think that's what you're saying. Well, Toby has, the highway budget has hovered in that $100,000 range for capital equipment purchases. So that's the combination of all of the loans. And they, so they have, you know, as one piece of equipment goes on and goes off, another piece of equipment goes on. And there's been a, and so they've been able to keep that number fairly consistent over time. Toby, Toby's got that pretty well dialed in. But, but you don't, what you don't have dialed in is a consistent amount of money going into your capital equipment fund in order to make down payments to keep those lease and or purchase payments consistent. So the budget stays relatively stable. And this could be opportunity looking at this cash of funds. This might be the year that you can really put pencil to paper. And I know I, I suspect that Toby would very much appreciate engaging in that conversation. It makes sense. Kendra, I don't know if you can hear me very well. So I think we, you know, Cindy had to make, wanted to make a comment, but we're way behind schedule. So this is a really good conversation. And I think we will keep that in mind when we're doing budgeting in the future. But I think we need to keep things moving. So Sharon, do you have something? I had a question about whether, whether I was missing something. Isn't this a, isn't Sandra is making the excellent point that we need to remember when we're budgeting. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah. So I don't want to get into this too much tonight. Cindy, did you have a quick comment because we need to keep moving? Yes. No, I had typed it into the box there. We saved the money for a capital fund of the elementary school, but I think we lost all that the back 46. So I think saving money is a good policy. And that's what I think we should do as a town and as families. It didn't pan out. Because they didn't follow number one and then the agency of educations came in and took it. Yeah, hopefully it's different. This is way different. This is held by the town. I don't see that happening, but you're right. That didn't happen. And it was not very good. We were punished for being physically smart. Okay, so let's move on. Sandra. Thank you. Two more points, Denise. I'm going to come up for a while. Okay, quickly. We just a reminder that Nimrick's annual contract needs to be signed. If you could take a look at that. When does it need to be signed? It should be signed tonight. So I think you have that, but that their fiscal year runs from the middle of June to the middle of June. So we owe them that money in this fiscal year. And that contract comes with that invoice. So the invoice is on order because that is part of our FY 21 budget. It's just that their fiscal year does not run in complete concert with ours. Did you look at the contract? Did anything change? No, it's all the same. It's all the same. Okay. Did the cost go off any? No. They quoted $5,000 and that's what the invoice came in at $5,000. Yeah, that's it. Well, that's to have Cindy, right? Cindy from Nimrick. Cynthia, yes. For the auditor thing. Oh no, her hourly rate stayed the same. Oh, okay. So this is just a Nimrick contract to provide the software and all that, right? Yes. This is their support contract, correct, for the modules that we use. I think we use eight of their modules. So they fix them and they work out any wrinkles we have using them and any mistakes anyone is made using them that we can't fix, they fix. Yeah. Well, we're going to be, and if you could stay on for a couple more agenda items, I will add this. We're going to be doing a special meeting with the road through on Wednesday. So I can put this on our agenda for Wednesday to do that first thing and get it out, get it out of the way and get it signed. Can we have it with us on Wednesday to sign? Yeah, I can print. Well, can you, I guess I said covers. Is it in the Google Doc file? It might be. I think she said yes. Katie said yes. Looking at you anymore. That's okay. There it is. Oh, yeah. Do you see it? I'm screen sharing it now. Can you see it? Can you see it? I can see it. Oh, now we can see it. Now we can. Yeah. Do this on Wednesday. Yeah. And did you have anything else, Sandra, because we need to keep, well, the Santa News to authorize payment pending the sign so that all we're doing on Wednesday night is signing it. You have board orders and that check is in the board orders. So when you really, tell me I can send those orders. We can wait until Wednesday for that. Okay, let's do that. The other, the other item that the board needs to look at is the life and disability agreements, the joiner agreements that are need to be signed. This is the new, the new vendor of the life and disability policies that cover the staff that VLCT has left Lincoln National and has joined with Minnesota National Life or something to that effect. I'm sorry, the name escapes me. MNLI is what it is. Hickok and Boardman are the brokers on this. And we, it's the same coverage for less price. That was the deal that the LCT cut for the towns. And we need to sign those contracts tonight so if the board could authorize Denise to do it. What I saw, what I looked at, it looked like they were asking for your signature and the premium is going down, correct? The premium is going down. They asked for an authorized signer and the board hasn't authorized me to sign that and I'm happy to sign it and send it away. I have a motion that we authorize Sandra to sign the, what is the thing we're just talking about? It's a joiner agreement with the new insurance company. I guess I thought you would sign that as our personnel person and our treasurer. I didn't realize the board had to have anything really to do much with it. I'll sign that. Okay, are you ready to vote? All in favor, please say aye. Okay, moving right along now that we're like way behind. We couldn't make the restrictions that we had for the town crew at the previous meeting that we had because it wasn't, we weren't ready for that and wasn't on the agenda. So I would make a motion that we lift restrictions for daily health checks and the mass mandate at the town garage. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay, ARPA funds, I think, I asked Sandra to stay on, she didn't. No, she couldn't, no. It's not, it doesn't work good with what's, she couldn't, I don't think she can hear me. Maybe I need to sit closer. She was having funds hearing Rick as well. Yeah, so I'm wondering if there's something on her end? I had to yell. Her internet connection was flaky because she was, we were getting a lot of digital corruption. Yeah, and then I know over the weekend when I talked to her, she basically her internet went down and she thinks maybe the heat, the heat has something to do with it. You know, one of the things that we should talk about is having, is there, is, I mean, I would say absent a reason that Sandra can't be here, you know, both for Sandra and the new town clerk. Yeah, maybe we should ask them to attend in person. I think we need to have them attend in person. Yeah, I agree. That's much was just a nightmare. Right. Attend in person and, and, you know, for communication, I don't think it's too much to ask to have them attend every meeting unless we don't need them. Yeah, it might be a lot for Sandra too. I don't know that we need Sandra to attend every meeting. I think it would be good for her to attend like she used to. Yeah. When we were over there, when we were talking about the treasures before and things like that. I don't know that there would be really for her to attend every meeting. Well, what I'm, what I'm really saying now is, is flip the presumption. So the presumption that she's here and then we can say, you know what, there's nothing we're going to need you for rather than, than, you know, having to schedule. Oh, and not having her here because if you're going into ARPA funds and anyway, that's that's not something we don't talk about tonight. But yeah, the ARPA fund thing, we kind of already really talked about it earlier. So I think we could even skip that because we really talked about it earlier and we need more information and all right. The next one. And I think that we said it, but I want to make sure we've captured what I heard. And this is really a key for the minutes that Denise, you're, you're doing all this like work to see if we can find. Yeah, we just need to find someone. Okay. Yeah. That's. And then, and then sooner rather than later, we're all going to have to be alert to the what if. Right. And I will see if we can cover it's a great possibility. It's we have enough information. Right. Sure. But in something. And actually, let me take the car for a step, a step further. So love that you're doing the homework. If we can't, if you can't find somebody and we have to post to just start moving forward until and hire somebody until one of the accounting firms or somebody else takes it on, then I want to suggest that we either delegate to two of us, me and Denise, to take ownership of developing something and putting it on front porch for or whatever, or that we say, Denise, it's all you just run with it. But you may say, no, I want somebody else. Yeah, I think I have more information by Wednesday. Okay. I just don't want to have to. I don't want to ramble for an emergency meeting. No. And I think if we don't know by Wednesday, if we got somebody to do it, then we'll take it offline because we shouldn't have to meet to. Yeah. All right. That's good. All right. So the next item, and I didn't know this, and Cindy alerted me to the fact that there is a recent traffic study. Cindy Gardner Moore said that there is, in fact, a recent traffic study. I didn't know what she said it to me. So in my queries on this, I said Todd Eden. Is he a local? We'll go into it. If you go there, it's hard to go to the secret. I do the traffic at the same place. Is it Todd? No. I may be wrong. No, I think Todd Eden was actually the one who came to some of our meetings when we were going around town. That sounds kind of familiar actually. Maybe I wrote studies. Maybe. But anyway, so I sent him an email. Now that we have this traffic study, what is the process we have to go through? Do we, you know, what do we have to ask? Who do we, what do we do next? Ask for what? Say complete your sentence. To, if we're looking at reducing the speed limit on the county road, what is the next step? The first step in my mind was the traffic study, which I didn't know it. Cindy sent it to me that it's already been done and didn't even know it. So I contacted Todd Eden who I believe is from on local roads or something. This is the information. This is the person that Ashley Andrews said I should ask. So I sent him an email asking what is the process? What is the next, what are the next steps that the board has to do? Okay. So that's just really all I wanted to say tonight is it's in the process. Great. I mean, typically when there's traffic studies, I mean, when I did that. They're impossible to read. Well, they're, they're wrong. I would teach you to read them. In fact, if I get the data, I'll put it in a simpler format. They didn't do that for this. I can do that. If you, I mean, usually with, you do a traffic study, it's usually about a radar. Yeah, I think it was. Now, well, this one, I'm just on the traffic counters. Oh, yeah, the reason you can't, you've got to do a hundred, not consecutive, well, none, what they call two parts that are not like we're a bunch of others that one's controlling the speed of the other. And then you take the 85th percentile and that is his safe driving speed. And that's what, and then you're only really allowed to be well, you're only supposed to be so many miles per hour. Below or above that speed. Right. That, you know, if you're trying to lower that way down, you know, that 85th, I mean, the state really pushes back. People would know. So the state is the state, the one that has to say, because this is really a class, I guess it's a class two, right? It's not a class one because the state doesn't maintain it. It's maintained by the town of Calisthenics. It's class two, Denise. You're right, class two. It's a class thing to operate. Got something right. So, you know, do we get to say, or does the state have to say, yeah, you can do this? I just check on it. Usually what happens is you don't, I'll have to verify that with the state. Yeah. Like what happens is it kind of tends to take your legal bearing down because you turn people are going to drive the same, but they seem to be the same driving speed with that road. So they're going to, you can change the speed limit. You're just turning them into propellers. You're still going to drive. If you set a 50 mile an hour, you know, 85 percent hour on 35, people are still going to drive 50. It's what? I know they say that people drive according to the conditions. And we did track, I did track accounts with accounts that even prove, you know, that that's kind of a national standard. Well, right. I just really want to get into the whole big discussion tonight. I just wanted to say where we are in the process and we need more information. Yeah, we do. Yeah. All right. May I say something? Well, speaking, please. Oh, hey, Maureen. Maureen, yeah. Yeah. Hi. I'm just saying if you don't change the speed limit, I just can you put up a no passing sign by my house because there's four driveways and an intersection. And when they get by my driveway, they're passing. I see it every single day. So, you know, if they're 50 miles an hour, they're going way more than 50 miles an hour when they pass because I can hear them rev up. And traffic is getting heavier on this road because of COVID getting over summer, how the state is coming to camps, people building. It's, it's, I think it's, it's everywhere. It's happening everywhere. I mean, it's, you know, you have to run across the road to get to your mailbox in theory. Yeah. And I realize that changing the 40s is going to change a lot of things, especially if there's no law enforcement. You're going to have to enforcement to come up to slow these people down. Well, let's see where we, let's see where we get with what we're, where the process is and what we have to do. And then if we can't do what we're looking to do, then we can talk about signage. I mean, I don't, I don't know what the footage is from on intersections. And not just, not just, not just signage. I mean, I would actually, I mean, I kind of don't care what people think is the feel when they're driving is the safe speed. There's a lot of other things that drivers are not considering that are on our little roads. I know there's kids and animals and dogs and cats. People and, and so yes. And yeah. And if so, anyway, so I know we'll, we'll have this concess, right. Discussion. Now you, now you all know where I'm coming from. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think, I think they're on the same page, Sharon. That there's more to consider here than just what, yeah. Okay. So the road is twisty. Probably people aren't going to drive this fast, but if you drive that road every day, you aren't going to drive faster because you know the road. Right. But that doesn't take into account the walkers and the dogs. Right. I mean, when I drive, I can see people, as you say, trying to get to your mailbox. There's dogs, not just horses. Right. But all right. So let's move along. And I think we're, we'll find out. We'll get some more information. We're getting there. Say what? We'll talk. We're going to talk more when we have more time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think when we get more information about the process, then we can talk more about, yeah, if people have opinions. Yeah. All right. They, but can you call up the ordinance please? And I don't know. Actually, maybe easier if Katie pulls it up. Okay. And I didn't, I put this on mostly to get it on people's radar, because I know people don't always have time to look at everything before a meeting. Let me tell you what we've done. We met on, what do we mean? We met June, I'm not sure yet. We met on June 4th. And we met on June 22nd. Jim Barron sent us a draft ordinance to start with the group. And it was really, it was really productive. We got a lot done quickly. So I put it on the agenda tonight to put it on the board's radar that we should have, if everybody could please look at it. And we could have our, according to the adoption process, we have to hold a regular or a special meeting. And notice it and all that stuff. So I'm looking to do that on July 12th. That's just on the ordinance. Right. That's, that's the first step is to put it on a, a regular agenda, either a regular or special. We don't want to do special. They hold the public hearing because there might be people when they see this on the agenda that come and they have a different opinion. And that's okay. They have a different opinion. And that starts the clock ticking. So once we have this public hearing, it's, no, it is, it's not, the ordinance has entered into the minutes of the select board meeting opposed to at least five places. And within 14 days of adoption by the select board, right. The full text or concise summary of the ordinance must be published in a newspaper. You can see on the screen the information has to be included. Yeah, I think I sent this to everybody. Yeah, you did. And I sent it to the working group. But if you could please by next meeting, review the documents. Yep. Then the answer to Rick's question is the ordinance becomes effective 60 days after the data is adopted. Well, it says within 40 days of the adoption, 5% of the voters may submit a petition to try to, you know, not have us to rescind the ordinance based. Right. I doubt that would happen here with this one, but you never know. So that's, if you could buy, if you could please look at that document, the working group has, Cindy, do you agree the working group has signed off on this? Yes. It looks to me like everybody was in agreement from the emails. I'm just going by the emails that were copied at the whole group. But I didn't hear anybody making any complaints. I am going to reach out specifically to Elizabeth and Wilson because they wanted to see, get one more chance to comment on the final document, and they can also attend the public hearing as well. But that was, yeah. Okay. Elizabeth. Elizabeth Perry. Thank you. Let's use the town's animal control officers. Right. We sent our final document to Jim with just a couple of little things that we wanted to change or leave in there. At least he was fine and blessed. Can I ask one question? Is there some latitude in here? I mean, everybody that has animals has animals in there. Yes, it's in there. We just want to make sure that we're not. That's what I'm going to be looking at too. It's a repeat. This is for repeat offenders. That's good. There is a chart in there, and there is the animal control officer as we learned has discretion. Okay. Good. And there's like a first offense, second, third, fourth, fifth kind of thing. And yes, everybody's animals get out. Yeah, exactly. It always, always happens. And responsible animal owners, we'll go get them and fix where they got out. And because we did talk about this in our working group. We did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was important. What's that? Yeah. What's that, right? It's, you know, it's some of it is judgment. And the animal control officers have that ability. And so that answers the question I had about whether there were people who have large animals on the working group. And it sounds like you definitely have something. Yeah. I checked in with Charlotte because she's on the other side. I didn't even know what was going on. And she, okay. Yeah. And Nick Ward has horses, and they have cows on their property. And I have horses and have had other animals in the past. So, yeah, that was definitely, I think, why a lot of us were involved in that and wanted to make sure it isn't trying to get your regular, you know, small farmer or large farmer that has the odd animal get out once in a while and deals with it. This is who's been having problems for over a year. It looks like over three years and is just the animals aren't being treated in a safe way. So thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. This sounds great. Cliff. Yeah, I think I did a job. The only thing I wanted to add is, as the select board members are reviewing the document, please also review the remedial correction attempt because it's an important part of the situation as well. Yeah, good point. And both of those documents are in the folder for tonight's meeting. I saw them both. Yes. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Okay. Next item also about. I'll share, Katie. Thank you. Also about roads is John's not here, but back when we were doing ancient roads, we had the town highway seven, which is not an ancient mode. But Aaron Schultz has resurfaced with his request for us to discontinue the town highway seven piece that's mainly just on this property. And there's a process. And I put it on the agenda again, just to bring it to everybody's attention. We're not going to do anything tonight. There's nothing to do tonight. But I just feel like if I put it on the agenda, then people will pay attention. And where is that property? Because I was, it's our West County road. It's, well, you know where, you know where I live. Yep. Okay. So you go down that big hill onto Doober. Take a left on Doober, which is West County road. And his house is the first driver on the right. Okay. So we're going to have to do a site visit. We have to walk the property. And so there's a whole bunch of steps. And so I asked Jim to send us all the steps so we know what we have to do. And I think we should, Gary said an email, but I think I'm going to ask him to send us an official letter. Is what he's requesting. That's not just a, you know, that sounds a good process. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Now that was it. Right. We'll have to do all that. Right. We'll have to do a site visit. Walk the road when it's not 90 degrees maybe. Okay. Next. Town hall usage policy rendered on the 12th, right? Okay. That's the sacred pleasure. That's what we do. And friends of town hall management agreement. Will you, will friends be ready on the 26th? Do you think? Or will they be ready on the 12th? So I know we talked about a special meeting because it was going to take a while to hammer through the document. They requested a special meeting. Right. So did we start with that? We definitely need to have a meeting that sets aside a fair amount of time to discuss. I don't think we can do that. Yeah. Whatever is the board's pleasure, if the friends will make themselves available. Because I mean, we have We're in the process of trying to figure out when we're going to have our next meeting either this week or next week, I think it is, so that we can take our next round of edits to those documents and we're pretty close to ready to go. The 12th, I would recommend we focus on the usage policy for the 12th. Yeah. And then if we're in that position, do so. At that meeting, we can present the management agreement, rental agreement, just like we're doing with this ordinance. This life board would have some time to review it. Then we get together and have that special meeting. Yeah. Okay. Let's make this plan three. Yeah. And I want, yeah, special meeting or regular meeting. We all, one, we already said we would devote time on a special meeting. And two, I think it's actually a really good practice for us to ask ourselves, does this deserve a special meeting? Well, not so many have decided. And having decided that it did, I would rather stick to that than invite the idea that we can cram big topics into 20 minutes because we can't. I think we can do the town hall usage policy probably at a regular meeting, but I think that we would honor the friends by devoting. So maybe we could do it on, what's the, so the 12th, that would be the 19th, right? 19th would be a weekly, correct? Okay. So you'll let us know. Yeah. I'll check this with the friends and we will come back with the one or two suggestions in 19th or if that doesn't work to provide some other possible dates. Because we have people backed up that somebody that wants to have a wedding in August. Well, and that's what the friends have been discussing over the last few days is that we've got, we've actually got a list of all the requests because you're not seeing them all. You're getting some of them in the office, town office is getting some of them, but also David and already Nancy are receiving requests. So Barbara has compiled them all. Right. She's seen about it. Yeah, I sent her the people that have contacted me. Probably half a dozen people or groups who are interested in doing something upstairs. Yeah. Yeah. And this is the season to do stuff when the weather's nice. Which I'm not sure. Nothing where it's 90. All right. Let's see what we got next. We're going to do minutes. We have... Katie, would you please do the honors of sharing the minutes? Yeah. Thank you so much. Let's see if we can get through the majority of them. All right. Shall we start back in April? Yeah, let's go. I'm going to come and sit around and hear so you can see that. There. I thought I was going to be able to just walk around. Well, there's a question here from Sharon. Who did we approve to sign it? I assume it was Denise, but we should capture that. Okay. I'll make it up to myself. Shall we update? I didn't have any issues with Sharon's changes. I don't remember. Yeah. I read them all and made comments. Yeah. Or reviewed Sharon's comments. Yeah. Because Katie had a question about whether the terms change. Okay. I didn't answer it. Yeah. It's not an edit. Right. Yeah. It doesn't need to be edited in if it's a question that came up in Denise's mind. Whatever that. No. It was in Katie's mind. It's clarification of them. Because Katie asked it. The party secretary asked for it. Katie asked a question. Yeah. So I was talking. No, I get that question. And it's not a question that. Came up in the meeting. No. Yeah. I would move to approve with the edits. Second. All in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries. Next. All right. 419. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It was pretty straight forward on this one. Yeah. And we did we answer Katie's question or she wanted us to fill in the blanks? Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I make a motion to approve the April. What are they? 19. Yes. For 19 minutes with edits and questions answered. Second. Anybody else? All those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries. All right. April 26th. Pretty sure I reviewed this. Oh yeah. It's just slow. Is the internet slow here? Okay. You got two factors because we got Katie's internet and our internet. Okay. Katie's questions answered. Sharon had some edits. Yeah. I think it was pretty straight forward. Oh. Katie and this it's in here several times. It wasn't Holland who met with us. It was Ruben Bennett. Got it. I corrected some of them but I don't know if I cut them all. I'll double check those. Thanks. And we should at least once put his last name because yeah his full name. I think it's at the beginning. Okay. Yeah. Is it Katie can you double check? Yeah. I just saw it. Yeah. Okay. That's all. Okay. That's our list. Move to approve the minutes of 42621. The edits. Second. I just want to note I well never mind. Okay. Are you ready to vote? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Hearing none. Motion carries. I think this was Katie before we leave that I just want to point something out. I think this when I was looking at some later minutes I was I was I don't know prompted or tempted to go back through and I think I did. I think it was this meeting or even the earlier in April meeting where we first talked about invasives and hiring somebody for invasives. So I just want the board to remember that we started this conversation in April and it was the It was in May. It was the second meeting in May when Alfred told us that he hadn't gotten around to posting it. Yeah. I noticed something about that when was your viewing minutes that we had asked him to repost about getting somebody to mow and he didn't do it and we reminded him in a subsequent meeting and reminded him to do it which he did. Right. But we started that conversation in April and it took four touches. Yeah. Make it happen. Okay. Next. All right. May 10. Yeah. You got your answer to your question. Yes. Thank you. I answered your question. I don't know if it's not sharing. Yeah. Oh, I didn't see it. Let me just look at it for two. The deadline for this year has passed and I know when you and I were working on stuff, it really wasn't that helpful. Because the data is so hard to. It's hard to sort it. Yeah. It's hard to sort it and it's like I wish I could ask. I wish we would be the ones to ask the questions that are in the survey. Well, I hear you and I still think if you don't contribute and participate, then we're not in a position to ask for the data. Yeah, we can get it. No, no, no. But to make it better. That's all I'm saying is like we participate. We do our part. We contribute, but can't you guys do some process improvement to get better data? But we can certainly remember to do it next year. Right. That's what I think we should have. Yeah, let's do it next year. Moving right along. I think we're good. Katie, anything else on these? I'm sorry. I don't know the answer to this question about if the motion included or if we just missed it in this motion. Who's going to sign on behalf of the board? I mean, I know it happens all the time. Yeah, I don't remember if there was a motion or not. But I think I ended up signing it. Okay. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we I'm pretty sure we did. Okay. Okay. Does anybody want to make a motion to approve? The Oh, my question to approve the minutes later. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. I am staying in the present. Okay. All right. Let's see. I think we're up to 524. Uh-huh. Okay. I think I heard a comment. It's not the it's not a creation. Can you go back up, Katie? No, that's fine. Yeah, I see. So it's not a creation. It's an adoption. And you're okay. No, I'm fine. It's long. Yeah. Establish an ordinance adopt. I think it's important. And I'm looking at some of our old ordinances and policies, and some it can be really hard to tell when the beginning is. And that's, that's well, there should be a history of the adoption process at the last on the last page of the ordinance. Usually right up in the front in the, in the poll, you put a start date and an end date. It sends that in. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think we're good. Would you move on? So those should all say adopt, not establish. Yeah, you don't, you don't establish an ordinance. You adopt one. Okay. Definitely have that data adoption right up front too. And then if it has a term, that should be there as well. Yeah. I think it's not actually on the last page in this case. Okay. We've always done it. I mean, what school or other. Oh. That way it's that way you see it really quick. This is where. Yeah. And this is, I think this is also where I noticed that we asked Alpha to repost the ad or something. I don't think I made a comment on it, but I noted it in my brain. Okay. Okay. Oh, mm-hmm. Oh, Sharon, I don't, there was no, we didn't have, there was no discussion on that. Yes, we did. I said, what I wrote in there is exactly what I said that night that we, I said, I felt like it was premature to have somebody. So Mark said, you know, it's just like we're going to join us as a partner. We're going to have a liaison or something like that. And I said, premature, all those things I absolutely said. And that's the night that we appointed you and John as a base. I remember that. I remember that. And to me, and I said all of the things because I did, I said them because it matters to me. Can anybody else back me up that I said it? You can go watch the movie. I did. That is the difference. I mean, does that make sense what I'm saying? And maybe you just didn't hear me say it that night. I didn't hear you say it that night, though. No. So yeah, so it's really important, though, that when you guys are participating, you are, you are not members because it's like we're joining. You are. We're not a part of the group. We're representing the town. Right. But it's pretty clear. I, Denise, it's clear because I said I am not, I would be premature to do that. This is what we are doing. That other thing is not what we are not doing. And sometimes we're not clear as we should be about it. What I'm saying is I was very clear in my mind. That's how it was working. I'm not saying it wasn't clear. What I'm saying is these are the minutes. And it's important to me that the minutes capture that clarity. And the clarity exists because I was the one who said it. Okay, that's fine. I'm just saying I don't recall you're saying it. Okay, that's fine. The minutes can reflect whatever you want. They can only reflect what was actually said. All right, Katie, are you moving on? This sentence didn't, somehow it didn't read right to me. I was trying to make it read differently. Imported that the board agreed to retro, we agreed to retroactively compensate the staff not just to represent the crew, to retroactively pay the crew. It's somehow the sentence just doesn't read right. We agreed to provide retroactive pay to the crew for regular full-time numbers. And I don't somehow agree with that. We were retroactively paying them. Her, kind of. No, no, no, no, no. My mom, am I missing? Yeah, no, because we gave them there. We retroactively, we retroactively, we gave them their pay that they didn't get from July. That was due July 1, 2021, while we were in negotiations. We didn't give them their increase. That's right. That's what I'm saying though, but it was pending kind of. Well, we gave it to them because even if the thing ended. Right, right. So I can't make it read right because if somebody were to look at that, or we look at it later to them. So isn't it a board agreed to retroactive, retroactively pay, the retroactive pay increases or compensation increases? That's what we're going to say at pay is fine. That's what everyone says. That's what everybody says. Yeah, that's okay. Pay increases to take out the crew, take out the two regular full-time crew members. And how do we say though that it was for the time during which, I think we need to be clear that it was from the, during the time in which we were negotiating and now that negotiate, and then negotiations have ended. Right. New sense, new sense, new sense. During, during the union negotiations. So where do we want the, where do we want the new sentence? We want it after July 1, don't we? Yep. Borders in sec or agree to retro. Where's July 1? It's on the second next stage. Maybe. Yeah, for the period July 1 paying increases for the period. July 1 to June 30, 2021. No, no, no. Pay increases. Katie, retro increases for the period. I mean, this is the problem. The problem of writing into too many prepositional phrases, but whatever increases for the period July 1, 2020. Bro, it was to June, it was this fiscal year, 30, 2021, to regular full-time crew members period during the union negotiation, the board to say increases pending result of union negotiations. Something like that is still, I just, because if we have all this stuff going on, if anybody looks at the minutes, I want it to be really clear. Instead of say, maybe. Date, okay. Not make, you know, stay is what I said, but. I just couldn't hear you. That's fine. That did not make, you know, stay is going to keep our nature from that. Just say did not make increases pending result. We mean, results of union negotiations. Right. And then how do we say that as a result, or maybe we don't have to say that when any new negotiations fell apart, then the board gave them these retroactive increases. I don't know how to say it. I think that maybe we don't need to. I don't think we have to. I think that saying anything more starts to sound like we're answering questions that aren't being posed in this context anyway. And I mean, would we want it to be any more clear? Agreed to retroactive pay increases for the period July 1 for June 30 to regular full-time crew members who were employed by the time in that period. Yeah. That works. Can you add that Katie after a member? So, yep. Yeah. During that period. And it's. Yeah. Yeah. During that period. Okay. During any new negotiations, the board is not making pieces, having results of union negotiations. That's good. I can't think of a way because. Yeah, that's fine. That reads much better than. And I was looking at it. Okay. Is there a motion to approve the minutes of. I already forgot the date. 24th, is it? Five, 24. Thank you. So moved. Is there a second? Second. Do you want to say that you're making motion to approve them with changes as discussed? Yeah, I'm just sure. I make the motion to adopt the day 24th meeting minutes as we said with changes as noted. Okay. So. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Here are none. Motion carries. You want to try to do one more? All right. I think we're up to June. June 6th. June 7th. Okay. Let's do it. Oh, that was our special meeting with the fire department. I don't know. Um, I don't think there was really much to change. Okay. Move to approve the minutes of the special meeting on June 7th. I'll second that. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Katie, I'm standing because I wasn't there. Okay. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. One more? It's the next one, the 14th. Yeah. Oh, that's a no. That's a no. That's a no. That's not a no. That's not a no. You want to wait? Wait. Okay. We're going to be done for tonight, Katie. Okay. Thank you. All right. Yay. That's a lot done. Yeah, a lot done. Okay. So just to recap a little bit, I'm going to do a special agenda for our meeting on Wednesday at four o'clock at the town garage. We're going to, I'm going to check with Jacob to about an extra exit interview. And we're going to do the official signing of the NEMRIC contract. And the signing of the resignation, Jacob's resignation. Oh, that's right. And the letter, the road for the resignation. Well, we could do that now if we're not going to put anything in the letter about the next interview. I'm fine with that, actually. The last thing. Yeah. I think I'm going to ask Payne Danbury that's about the archive. Can see if we can get some kind of a decent... Can't help. Yeah. Can't help but cover up. Okay. And then capital fund and equipment too. So we'll see about how we can possibly use that windfall to kind of catch up our capital fund and... And I don't think... In my checking, you cannot use it to purchase the equipment. Oh, you can. But you could double... No, I don't mean... I don't know what you mean for an archive. I mean, the archive funds, you can't purchase... I'm talking about our budget windfall that we're running under budget. So I think what Sandra was saying was to use... It's an opportunity for us to use the... Some of the windfall of savings this year in our capital fund, which is not our... But that's our budget. Right. No, I know that. So... I'm not sure I'm clear what you're saying. I was going to see how we use that to actually kind of get us ahead a little bit in that capital fund. Oh, okay. It's a reserve fund, right? Yeah. So... Would you do me a favor? So I don't have to keep asking you every time I'm doing an agenda. Would you let me know when you want to put something on about Kent Hill and about East Coast? I definitely would. Your broader project? Oh, yeah. Because I keep having to remember to ask. I know you shouldn't. I don't do it. So if I don't have to keep asking, you'll just let me know when. Okay. That'd be great. Thank you. Oh, yeah. I don't think they're quite ready yet. So I'm waiting for you. All right. So sadly, this is close last meeting. Yes, it is Wednesday. Well, this is last. Well, that's okay. Then we won't do it today. All right. No, I may have an interview at that time. I'm waiting for the information back. So I may not be able to be there on this day. Oh, so we'll see. For me to show like a phone down. What happened to the... Yeah. Anyways, it's been a real honor and a pleasure to serve with you. We have incredible knowledge and patience or patience that I'll ever have. And it's just, you'll be very much missed, but you'll still be around because we're still going to call you for technical stuff and things. And talents that you've brought to us. But thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Very impressive. It's pretty remarkable when you think, when we had an opening about three years ago, you came in, none of us knew you. But we did it on feel share, I remember. And no, I would say we didn't do it on feel. I think it was. We were, no, it was that Cliff was incredibly well prepared. Cliff was very well prepared. And you came in prepared for a, I don't know. You took, my recollection is that you presented yourself in a way that was ready to serve, very articulate. And I don't know, prepared is the word I keep putting back to was probably a better one. But it is kind of interesting to think that we didn't know you and we didn't know any of us, I believe, at that time. That's true. And how, like, where we are. Well, and I agree. I mean, I think we probably did look at your preparation and all that. But some of it was kind of like, how's this person going to fit in? You know, some of that is, was taken into consideration. And you fit in magnificently. And your town is very lucky to have you in a service that you've already done. And hopefully things going forward. We're very fortunate to have you and Elizabeth join us in Calis. Thank you. Great work from the board as I came up to speed on things. And thank you to the town at large for having faith in me and voting for me to be in this position. It's interesting. It's kind of a full circle thing for me because the first meeting, regular select board meeting that I attended as a member of the select board was the last regular select board meeting to take place in this building. That's true because of the renovating. That's right. And so tonight, the first regular select board meeting to take place in the renovated town hall is now my last meeting. So isn't that weird if you're a full circle? Yeah, that's kind of interesting. It has been an honor and a privilege and sounds cliche, but it is absolutely true. And thank you. Yeah, no, thank you. We thank you. You need to thank you. I mean, you help the town so much with your skills and your talent and your thoughtful approach to things. So yeah, well, very much missed. And you have not, not what was on anybody's mind when we asked you to join us, but you have demonstrated that you don't have to be a lifelong grimoire or a, you know, have a lot of years to call us to find the right place for yourself and make a contribution right away. Okay. So with that was, is there a motion to adjourn? So move. All right. All in favor. Aye. All righty. Thank you all for sticking with us all the way through the duration. All the way through the duration.