 All right, can I have your, can I have your attention? I want to thank you all for being here today. Thank you all so very, very much. Let the records so indicate that Dr. Bussells and her family, they're out of the country. Of course, we pray for safe return home so much. Just before we call the roll, gee, we don't have two people. Even I could call the roll. But I think the records just need to reflect that we've had a roll called levity. My friend, would you call the roll? Sure. Mr. Brown? Here. And Mr. McDowell? Yes. Thank you so much. Just before we get started, if you would, just bow your heads for just a moment. For this city and for all of its benefits, for for the grace and for mercy, we pray for this city of ours, we pray for this state of ours. In particular, we pray for Israel and Gaza as they confront each other in a historical war that seems to be continuing to be an issue within the confines of this nation. Touch each one of us. Allow us to feel your touch and your sensitivity. We ask it in your name. Amen. Amen. I think everybody has an agenda. And of course, for those again who are here, I just want to follow up on a discussion from from our last meeting pertaining to tenants' rights. You guys, come on in. Regarding tenants' rights, HUD and state housing assist renters and tenants with their with their rights in collaboration with them and in working to provide a kind of opportunity for them to understand what those rights are and that sort of thing. Felicia Kiergo, we're just so happy you're here. Why don't you stand and just admit it. Felicia Kiergo who has been a part of that movement and a part of what tenants' rights are will come and give us some information. I think historically, and what we've heard in the last few years is that we were going on a path of trying to establish tenants' rights on our own, and that's not in our wheelhouse. It's in HUD's wheelhouse. And so Felicia, why don't you come and talk to us about tenants' rights, if you will. To the mic. Yes, ma'am. Well, good afternoon, everyone. So, with the request from council, as well as Ms. Wilson, that they ask us to inquire about scheduling, getting more information as relates to tenants' rights. And so we did. We reached directly out to HUD, our local representatives here. Ms. Christine Foy and Ms. Debra Dunes and Barry, they're local representatives and they were very much willing to meet with us. We met with them on October the 12th to discuss various options as relates to how we can provide information to residents, not only here in Richland County, the city of Columbia, but also Lexington as well. How we can get the information out to a lot of the folks that are living in homes, rental units that are supported, subsidized by HUD. And so with the incident that took place with the colony, I think it is definitely important to notify not only those residents, but also the other residents that live in any other subsidized units that are supported by HUD. So we have actually went ahead and moved forward to schedule a meeting place to conduct the session. We are going to meet at the Columbia Convention Center. We've got a schedule in October, excuse me, October, but January, January the 18th. We've got scheduled the Carolina place, the Carolina room there that holds about 143 participants. And so I think that's a nice number. We do want to entertain the option to have it, I'd say televised, but like Zoom, so to speak, virtual option so that for the ones that are unable to attend the session, the session will take place from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. So it's a two-hour session. It's going to be a lot of information that we will be providing that two-hour session. So it's going to be jam-packed with information. So with that being said, we talked about the various topics that we can share and provide. So some of the topics that we want to ensure that we hone in on is fair housing. So HUD is actually working with a representative from their wheelhouse to bring someone with them to talk about fair housing. Also, we want to discuss tenants' rights and tenants' responsibilities. They are also responsible for utilizing those units. So we want to ensure that they are aware that we want to also hold them responsible when they occupy those units, but also provide information to the landlords, their rights and their responsibilities for maintaining those units as well. So we're going to hone in on those options topics. And then also we want to invite our code enforcement here with the city. Definitely have them there as a point of contact and some share, some information when they should reach out to them for assistance as relates to some of the conditions of these units that they're living in. So we're going to have them there. And then we also want to have our partners from Lexington County, Community Development, also Richland County Community Development there to support these efforts to help provide information as well. And then we also have them to set up information booths. We will share as much information as we can within the two hours, but we want to also make sure that they can pick up some information with them and take it home and so they can ensure they read through it and digest it better. So we're planning this event. We're going to engage PR to help us promote it, advertise it. Of course, we're going to engage our police officers to kind of pass out flyers in these various neighborhoods as well. Our staff will pass out flyers in the various neighborhoods. And of course, when we attend various events that we have scheduled neighborhood meetings and things of that nature, we will share and announce this event as well. One thing that Ms. Floyd did hone in on during our conversation is that they will be speaking from HUD, not necessarily from market rate units. Okay, they'll be speaking from the side of subsidized units. They will be able to share some information as it relates to, you know, market rate units and concerns that residents may have, but they want to be careful to ensure that they are honing in on the HUD subsidized units. Any questions? Please, let me just ask this question. A part of what we're going to do in January is a basic tinted of just talking through what tenants' rights are as it relates to fair housing. Yes, sir. Absolutely. Now, who are the invitees? Who would normally want to call? Is this a community function? And I think Pam and I talked a little bit about whether or not I think I may have asked whether it was just managers or whether it was open to everybody. We want to open it to everyone, but totally highly encourage the residents that lives in these units to come as well. If they're unable to attend the session, we're definitely being able to, you know, log in and be able to listen in via Zoom as an option as well. Okay. How do we spread that word through media? Through what we do here in the city? Yes, absolutely. We definitely want to get PR to support us and back us with this. We're going to share it with our partner lenders as well so that they are aware that this session is being planned so that they can also spread it within their clientele as well. Have we designated a place? Yes, sir. It's the Columbia Convention Center. Convention Center. Okay. It's the Carolina Room, Carolina Media Room is what it's called. It accommodates 143 approximately, I guess. Reverend McDowell, it's also in your packet and outlined. How did she do it? Yes, sir. It's an outline of what Ms. Kilvore has just gone over with us for us. In addition to spreading the word, she also talked about police officers and other community development staff passing out flyers at community events and in the neighborhoods where, you know, you have subsidized housing so that they are aware, they don't have to just see it on the news or hear it on radio, which will be things that I'm sure PR will push, but in addition to that, they'll actually be passing out flyers so that people can have that information. It's on the second page, Reverend McDowell. It's just a little one-sheeter, a little outline, that right there. It just talks about the location, the dates, and like she said, it was going to be January 18th at the Convention Center on the Thursday from six to eight. Sounds good. And thank you for doing this. I think it's important because I think this thing's kind of taken on a little bit of a life of its own now. I got people now, I got landlords calling me saying, what are you guys doing? And the answer is nothing. But what we want to do is educate everybody and we want people to be aware of their rights and we want this to be a balance between the tenant and the landlord. But we also want, we're just trying to build in and explain the fairness of the relationship between the tenant and the landlord. That's what I tell people all the time and I would encourage if you guys get messages from people, what I'm doing now is saying, send me an email, but then detail it, shorten the suite, what are your concerns and I'll get back to you. I haven't got an email yet, but if I get one, we'll address it. I think it's important that we actually are doing this and just getting people on a structured relationship on what to expect. But 99% of the people are doing it right. Well, we didn't particularly want it to be exclusively in our wheelhouse. We glad Hood has its hands in it, explaining that and for the community to understand that, I think it's critical and very important. So I appreciate you doing that in January for us. I just couldn't find the information. Thank you so much. Thank you. Any other questions? Any other questions? Not hearing any? Thank you so very much. The second thing on our agenda, of course, is our honorary name and policies. As you know, a few months ago, we initiated a moratorium on signage. All right, let me get through this sidebar over here. Just all this paper that I've shared with you all. I think I've got a little carried away. I know this. I know this. Thank you very much for your hard work and for what you do for us and for this staff. Another thing that we wanted to follow up today is, of course, our honorary name and provisions. With several things we need to discuss as it relates to honorary naming. As you know, back in 2017, this process was initiated by Mayor Bob Cobble and the council at this time. And what we've been doing for the last five years, six years, we've been operating under that policy and under the form that we've been using. What we wanted to do was declare this moratorium to set some parameters on how this should look and what we should do. We initiated at our last meeting or meeting before that. I think Peter and Audity were given the application of forms. Suggestions were made. And of course, we entered those suggestions on this new application of form. Now, I understand that Peter has one small addition we need to make. It's already been done. It's already in here. The only clarification really was where it says the checklist. Council members, district, and I put one at-large sponsor. So basically, not both at-large. So I just want to make sure that was clear. So it's one at-large council person to be a co-sponsor for the project. And I think what that does is it just raises the bar this much and puts a little more effort into it. And I'm a big believer that any process that only has, yes, as the answer, is a much of a process. Well, we know that way. I'm not sure. I think what this does is I think it just raises the bar. It makes it, you know, more special for this type of attribute for anybody who is so willing to. Okay. So, Reverend McDowell, in addition to that Council member, I'll point it out, they also made some edits to the timeframe, just giving a little bit more time in order for the application to be reviewed and everything to be in order before that naming of either a building or a room takes place. Also added on the back, there's a few more adjustments with referencing to the district, referencing to adding the name of the at-large district member who's the sponsor. And then we also added an approval process by facilities, public works, or parts of recreation. We put an other just so that we make sure that that gets checked as far as what it will take to actually, you know, put that sign out or put a placard on the building or whatever it would take in order to assess the request and make sure that we're able to put it into play. So, we made sure that we added that in addition to the form. Well, you know, one of the big, one of the, and I appreciate that, Pam. One of the big issues, of course, we had was, of course, the naming process. We've done this historically for, seemed like forever. And we, what we wanted to do was to make sure this application would represent the entire city and that it was not, it could not just be done in one day. There had to be a vetting process. Is that right? Yes, sir. Is that right, Peter? Yes, sir. Okay. That it had to be a vetting process. Now, we've added, we've added what we needed to add on this application of formal, which is, which in so many words, sort of minor to what we did in 2017. Is that right? So, there, yes, sir. There was a policy that was revised. It was revised. No accountability. Yeah. So there was a pop, the policy was revised in 2017. And that policy outlines the process for, for the naming and goes into detail as to that the application has to be completed. The council members have to approve it. The community has to approve it. And so that process is outlined. And whenever someone in the past, whenever someone requested it, they were given a copy of this policy. So they knew, you know, the guidelines of the policy and then the application had to be submitted. Okay. Okay. All right. I think the process and the application of form as it relates to the, and I'm looking at this twofold, the honorary naming and of course the building, because I want to get into that a little bit. If we could consensually agree upon this, I think it's a big improvement and I'm all for it. Okay. Very good. And I think we've handled it in a reasonable amount of time and not dragging this out. So I think, I think we're ready to get back to business. Yeah, let's get back into business. I mean, gee, I think I probably did more of these things than anybody. So You probably got to stack it. You probably got to stack it. These are whole. Well, I got a list of those things. So consensually can we agree then that we, that we drop, that we lift a moratorium just on street namings. Does that have to go to council? Yeah, all just got to go. All just got to go. What the report that I will make is that we've revised this and that with some, with some additions to make this application more clarifying and more with a real sense of accountability. We want the council to approve this. Yes, sir. And I will email it to council members. I did get an email back from Dr. Bustles while she's been away. She's been working. And so she did see the new revised draft. She's okay with that. Yes, sir. And her email. She's okay with that. Sir. We could do that. And I want to do it individually because there's some, there's some building, some building issues that I do want to talk about in terms of naming process. Okay. So, okay. So we'll check that off. So we have this. You will update council at the next council meeting that the form has been revised. And I will email the form to them. So that's our first task. That's the first task. Ready to move on to the second task. The second task we were, you were talking about a request that was made from some, some citizens that came to the last meeting. So you ready for that next, that next. Then I want to talk freely and openly about this. There was a request that names be placed large letter name letters on buildings indicating the person's name. And I want to be very, very clear about this. I particularly, and I don't, I want to say, you know, I'm in the sign business. Well, that's why I didn't ask him to agree with me. I'm not sure whether or not that's the best policy for each building. I think it really sets a precedent. We've got for Hyatt Park, of course, I think that there are two signs already there for Mr. Moss and Mrs. Arun for who's the lady? What's her name? One sign on the inside of Hyatt Park. From Mr. Moss. From Mr. Moss. Yeah. Correct. All right. Is there another room there? Mr. Simon? Yeah, get to the mic. We got to put a sign on you to get to the mic. So there's just, there's just a sign on the inside indicating that the multi-purpose center is named after Lee Roy Moss. That's already in place. And I think we already have, we already started using Mr. Moss. I heard that some, I think on a, in a radio announcement, and I think it was probably referencing what Trevon did this past weekend as it related to a Hyatt Park, Henry Moss center. Mr. Lewis, the Lee Roy Moss multi-purpose center. Yes. We are. I think the request is of such is that we place his name on the building, on the building. Yes, sir. And not have a plaque there. So we indicated that. Could it not be that that plaque could be taken from the inside and placed in the door, on the outside door? I think, and I'm sorry, Henry, I think we, I think we started something that we would probably have to go back and eat crow afterwards. And that's not taking anything from the sign business. Kissing his shoes. Can assign a plaque, a bronze plaque, be placed on that building, the entrance of that building, so indicate Mr. Moss's name. It could be. Similar to the inside, we can take what's going on on the inside with the plaque and put it on the outside. If that's the consensus and desire, yes, sir. I mean, we are already referring to it as Moss center or something similar to that. Yes, sir. Could we not so indicate that? I'm just afraid that once we start that process of putting in glorious letters, the name of that of a building. Sure. I don't want us to get into that. Sure. Mr. Chairman, I was going to say you're 100% right about, you know, once you start putting signs up, people, everybody wants to put a sign up. So the proliferation of signage will be substantial. That's what I've recommended. And I've sent it to each person to counsel and some of the staff. And I probably should have said that the more is what we do in our business for every customer is we establish what's called a brand control document. And it allows all the different application of the particular brand, otherwise known as the name of the company and how it can and cannot be used within a particular site. And so what I think we should do is go through that process of establishing a city of Columbia brand control document. It sounds overwhelming, but it's not. It takes very little time just to get everybody on the same page as to what's allowed and what isn't. For example, in this particular case, if we so decide you can have a name on the outside, you got to have a certain size of the name, not too big, not too small. If you wanted, you could have it on the inside, you could have. So it just details what the sign should look like in every application, because we know all too well, somehow we've ended up with a whole bunch of different looking signs. And even, you know, as we speak, you know, the Finley Park signage guy said to me and it don't look like nothing I've ever seen before in Columbia. So I think we just need to get this street naming thing behind us and focus that on city of Columbia signage guidelines and regulations, otherwise known as what we call the brand control. And I think if we do that, it'll really just structure what we're trying to do. And we want people to be engaged in their communities. So I don't think anybody's saying that's not what we want. We just want to do it the right way without some more people getting their feelings hurt. And other people saying somebody got this and I didn't get this. And, you know, his letters two inches bigger than mine. So I think if we can just we can go through this process and quickly put something together just like we did with this and quickly organize what we want and what we don't want. Great. You okay with that, Henry? Yeah, I'm good with that. Just just to be clear to you know, we do have standard exterior signage of a park. For example, the Hyatt Park sign has a city seal with the name of the park. But there'd be any any parks that we have as a standard sign for that. What I'm talking about is when we go into the building. The custom the customization of of the signage when it comes to naming and things like that. So yeah, so the exterior we do an exterior park we do in the standard right now on the inside that there's a dedication or naming of a building was currently done is a standard placard that we have across the city that has the the name of the person whatever it is and has the council at that time the city council at that time endorses that that we do have that standard on the inside. I think it's just as important for everybody including council including the citizens to understand sure that the guidelines so they can how we do and how they can do a better job of how they are a part of this process. So of course you see initially back during when this thing was when we did the same back in 2017, of course, I think it was unanimous that the council at that time approved what they've done there at Hyde Park. Is that right? Well that was done when they were on Mars back in 96. 1996. Yes, that's been done. Been naming lights abilities for a long time. Well, you know, Henry, I think we could very well look at this control. I'd be happy to I'd be happy just to work with you. Like you said, that's what I do for a living. That's what you guys do for a living. So I think we can probably do something and have it presentable to this committee before the end of the year. Yeah, can we do that? Henry and I would I would simply ask if we could do something similar to that we deferred right now. Yeah. And we come up with a process and with with a process that will give us the specifics of what that's all about. Now, I must admit, I'd like to see brand control, but I'm also stuck on the notion that we just put a plaque on the outside of the building. But I want to make sure that no feelings are heard. And that folk in the community sort of sense that this is a collaborative effort and not one singularly made by any one of us. Okay, sure. So the branding control document, which, like you said, should shouldn't be too difficult because you already have standards. And then it can go along with the renaming policy and the application. So it's one packet all the year. So everybody will understand what the expectation is is the blacker will be a certain size with certain lettering. Yep. And I'm happy to get Henry Henry can come over to Co like one day and we can work with one of my guys and we'll knock it out probably in one afternoon. And what we do is just bring this back to this committee to sort of perfect the document. Yep. Is that okay? It's fine. All right. Yes, ma'am. I don't want to further muddy the waters. I think everything y'all just said is exactly right. It'll be really quick. I just wanted to remind so Mr. Brown is also aware because he and I discussed the brand control document in the context of the overarching marketing and. Correct. Right. So I think at some point this this may be more temporary. It might be another element of that. It might be a step towards another step. Right. I totally agree. Your committee, which is very soon, which I just think what's happening is like my my anxiety. I'm glad that the chairman brought this up about the street name and my anxiety of doing nothing is is worse than my anxiety of doing something, even if we have to redo it at some future point. But they're all, you know, I totally agree. And I think I think hospitality districts, that one's coming up in here. I know. I know. Trust me it's coming up. Well aware. Okay. So, so the so, so the bottom line, of course, is that we're going to take this this notion, the branding control document, and you and Henry are going to work with this Peter. Sure. And at a lot of date, we'll come back with the document. Yes, sir. I think we might be able to have it by the next meeting. All right. It sounds all right. Sounds good. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And then we've ever made out at that time, would you want to entertain the applications to be submitted for the Virginia Libet for the possibility of that at the Earlwood Community Center and the Sarinance Cultural Resource Center? Yes, sir. Until you get the signage and the branding. The next meeting after that one. Yes, ma'am. If we could do that, I wanted to particularly hold that after having this come to see. Yes, sir. And there's no need in doing that now. And we got to go back and change it. Yes, sir. Just didn't want to think we forgot about it. No, ma'am. I didn't forget it. We're still thinking of them and their request. Thank you. That's all right. Yes, sir. All right. Pam, go ahead. Yes, sir. So the next on the agenda was the consideration of our representative on the hospitality tax admin advisory committee. This was brought to us by Councilwoman Herbert. She wanted to make sure we didn't lose sight of the fact that back in, I think it was 2003, and she gave us an email. I'm doing the arts council committee meeting. They received an update on the arts task force final report that was done in 2003. And so along in that document, it outlines the arts task force kind of morphed into what's now the hospitality tax committee. And so 11 members. Before we get to that part, just historically kind of how the committee got created is kind of what the reference I'm making. So and now we have Missy Koffman here and Tina Saxon because they work very closely with the hospitality tax committee. And this is this is the email that Councilwoman Herbert sent to Miss Sheen. And so I asked both of them to be in attendance today because they know a lot of the history of the arts task force final report asking for there to be some arts representation on the hospitality tax committee and how this has kind of evolved. Miss Allen, if you want to speak if you can speak a little bit to that history before we get into talking about adding the arts representative because I think that's that's where Miss Herbert is coming from is that represent representation was outlined in this arts task force final report which is morphed into now the hospitality tax committee and let's kind of like put it all in perspective historically. Absolutely. So Tina Saxon and I have been involved with the hospitality tax since its intermittently since its existence in the city not not dating us but it's been a lot around for a little minute in the original committee. Tina did a lot of research going back to council meetings with Erica and Ms. Pam and the original committee was born out of the accommodations tax committee when the city first established the hospitality tax itself started started with the hospitality tax. The first committee was basically the accommodations tax they rolled into and then they formed out their own committee. The arts task force had a study that was done that sort of was time righted when the original committee was being set. From what Tina's found and what we've looked at and noticed there was never there was a recommendation for an arts position but not an official as you have now you have a certain type of seat must be held by restaurateurs and so forth and things like that. There's not been an official arts position there's been a reference to an arts position and of course there have been representatives on the committee that served in an arts role. Your current makeup has one representative on the actual voting committee itself that is a that is from the arts community and then you had an ex officio a member who had been who was of course that would be John Whitehead had been serving the committee and he was of course coming from the arts the arts background so I think the question is whether to codify if you will the arts or arts and culture position on the committees in the committee structure. What you're saying is there could be somebody on there but it's not guaranteed. It's not designated. Right and if you'd like to designate a person you certainly could do that by changing the the composition of the committee and actually writing specifically writing out that there's someone from the arts community that's on that committee. In your packet Reverend McDowell there's an example of a possible wording change. Is there some reason we wouldn't want the person if we did to not have a voting right? Well one of the things we talked about of course when we looked at when we reorganized our agencies and boards of course ex officio was taken out. Right is that right? Yes sir. It would seem to me instead of an ex officio we look at an advisory position designated voice and no vote. If sure if that's one you know there you all make up the composition so you could certainly have a voting member to change or have that person be an advisor. So I think yes sir after after our discussion your recommendation was to lean towards having that advisor that was non-voting that would remain to provide. So that would be 11 council members, 11 committee members, five that are restaurateurs, six that are at large and then one non-voting advisor. That's correct. So there's six restaurateurs and five at large? Yes that's great. My only concern is that that person won't feel an equal member of the committee primarily because they won't have a vote. So would you prefer to adjust this? We did we had some other language where we talked about either reducing you know one of the members you know you could change it to five restaurateurs and six at large with one of the six being a member of the arts and cultural community. Well the other side of that Pam is wouldn't it be contingent upon who that person might be and the wisdom he or she brings to the to the table? I think that's part of the purpose for having either primarily the ex officio in our an advisor type role was to advise the committee on you know matters related to the cultural world of course but doesn't necessarily have a vote in terms of the applications themselves. Well because of our structure and because we have eliminated ex officio, I don't want to use that word in a way where it gives credence to voice and vote. I guess my position is and the thing that I'm sort of wrestling with is the advisory position allowing that person to have no vote but perhaps if you've got voice perhaps talking to others. I think that's fair I think that makes sense. Don't tell others about what positions could be as a relates to hospitality. Some somewhat like a technical advisor. Yeah right so I think I think the right word I like that it's influence your ability to to to state your case and have a seat at the table. That's right. That's right. Okay so it'd be an additional person? No it won't be an additional person it'll be part of the 11 right? So you'd have one of the 11 or in addition I think that's the question do you want to 11 with the advisor? If you were saying that it would be an additional person not an additional voting person but you'd have 12 you'd have 12 people total okay 11 voting one advisor. All right that's fine that's fine because see I was looking at it totally different I was looking at the 11 with an advisor included. All right so we're gonna go so we go add an advisor for the arts so we still straight with 11 yeah absolutely one advisor and the advisor comes from the arts arts community that's correct right the only other issue we have is the dates and the reappointment dates and I don't know that's the point to bring up here is our committee the expiration date of our existing committee is May and so that might be taken up as we do the next reappointments. They all end in May but then also too that's literally that's around the same week in which they are doing their their voting so that would be that would be doing their service or ending their service right when they're. All of them get the same we got the same date. Because council voted at what point to defer additional appointments and to approve this like that we already had so and there was that was a motion that was made so they just approve all people that are already on there now that they got one date. How do we do that? So what you have in front of you is some suggestions that Ms. Sachsen and Ms. Kaufman have we certainly can bring it back to you all as a council with some recommendations on on a methodology for determining you know whose whose whose term completely ends you know and when the term's in and and all of that because like Missy said this is going to catch them in the middle of voting for that on the applications and then their terms will end so that's going to that's going to be problematic so we can we can draft something some some staff recommendations on how to kind of work our way out of this and then you can we can bring it back to the committee and stagger them so that there's some continuity there right we do like the the the senate where you know only a third of the people leave at any given time or council yeah right so you're not right so there's some continuity there too which is beneficial when reviewing the applications especially since they really meet one time a year what's the time parameter missing ideally we would really like to have our uh the appointments done by january and on a reoccurring basis either january or july so that it it's okay outside of the grant process and allows us time to onboard them with training um and then also too gives a time to obviously schedule several days out of their out of their the the the application process is usually over several days and so that's a lot to ask somebody to to give up in time well we got some wiggle room yes sir all right if we could do that and of course uh sharing that information and configuring away i mean gee whiz when i look at 2024 everybody everybody sits down i'm standing down yes sir yeah so we yeah we can bring back uh some recommendation because that's not gonna work if everybody rolls out at the same time that's gonna be kind of difficult is there a chairperson of the hospitality tax committee there is and they self appoint their committee correct from the committee right the committee self appoints the chairperson okay missy if we could do that that will give us some wiggle room between now and january yes sir can we do that so we'll have to make sure that we do the appointments in this look we have one councilman council meeting in november and then we have two in december you could do the appointment in january yeah the appointment we can talk through it between now and what time in january now i'd say that'd be up to well it'd be up to whenever we get done right sure okay can we do that peter what you think yes sir all right we'll have it dated so you'll know like which meeting it should come up on and then you can make and we'll have a whole packet for you so in our next meeting are we meeting on november 7th no okay i give everybody day off yeah got it all right we're meeting the so we're just skipping all meeting let me just get the columns just the third not the second week got it okay three four okay all right we said missy missy miss vindran yes sir any other questions let me thank you all for being here today miss Felicia thank you all we look forward to what takes place in january what we've what we've unconditionally done today is to do while we've done all of this we did we're going to recommend dropping the moratorium on honorary street payment is that right yes sir and the other things are being referred back to us yes all right thank you all so much y'all have a good day may his blessings be upon you thank you all right thank you Felicia make sure i'm invited to that