 Hello everybody. If it's Wednesday and it's the Wednesday in March of Adepticon that means It's Warhammer. Okay now Yeah, uh, I'm tired. I'm here. I'm joined by Tyler Marty Scott John. It's all five of us. We're here. We're reacting. We're talking Rock and roll. Okay guys Where do we begin with this? Let me just begin from the peanut gallery behind me here We're gonna go we're gonna go this direction across so Tyler you're up first here. We go. All right I'm gonna say some positive things because I feel like we're high level overview. We're gonna do well on the other end Okay, so I loved the lady of rent. I was surprised that we saw that I mean I was hoping for they don't know what that is yet because they haven't seen it. Okay. All right Well, she is Archie Hans second in command basically Just yeah Marty's gonna do it in the Vanguard of the very guard Vanguard of the Vanguard. She's got horns I don't know why she has horns, but she's got a warning something to do with her spear. Yeah, I don't know what the spear is about But yeah, it's it's it's a phenomenal. So yeah They tried a new format for the preview this year Compared to especially how they did the preview at the World Championships in November and Nova. They're trying these new things This year they tried a one-hour movie with lots of commentary for each of their reveals and releases Even the teasers. I'm not sure if that experiment worked this time But I think that they're trying to hone in on a new way to show us cool stuff. I really appreciate that Yeah, I think it didn't really take advantage of the format of Like a live show like with being able to react to the crowd's energy and like what they're excited to like a plot for And then you know not missing out on information because there's applause going on But I'm super jazzed for the spearhead version of AOS I heard like he does about like like tactical cars that can be played and like special rules for that size format I'll have to dabble, you know, I don't want to Invest always in a full army. If I can do like a small army, say like Darko Savage or something like that. They're really cool. So yeah Yeah, yeah, I Never knew that I could see so few models in one Yep That's my own there you go. All right. So let's let me let me let everybody who's watching this for all of you There's a thing playing on the other side of the screen right now muted This is what we were hustled into a room which took 30 minutes to get everybody into the room Okay, and then we watched an hour and 12 minute movie of all of these people talking This is not content. I needed for the reveal show. I really didn't I appreciate like you said They're trying something new it was Awful that room is hot. It is sticky. It is full of stinky nerds like no offense. Everybody who is there I'm one of them. I'm one of those stinky nerds. I'm not it was so I'm not absolving myself and It's just like a lot of talking you can barely hear about micro detail about each product I don't need to be marketed to to this degree. It made what is normally a very fun thing to see the new models and new rules just a laborious Sisyphean task it was every time one of those videos would end the boulder would go back down the hill As I had to push it back up again for the next video the most glorious things were the teasers for necromunda and whatever Thank you because they were nothing they were nothing there were three seconds They didn't discuss it. I was like, oh, thank God this one's done next thing just next thing Please God end this suffering. I have never wanted to run fleeing from a room more in my life My claustrophobia was on like a million Okay, and I'm being forced to just like listen in gory detail that I do not care about it would not willingly watch if not trapped Okay to this stuff now with that overview out of the way I told Marty he's gonna bitch about two things Yeah Okay, let's actually talk about the things we saw because there was a lot of a lot of stuff in here I'm actually gonna struggle to remember all of this because there was so much So we're gonna have to we're gonna have to all put our heads together for this, okay? I'm gonna go in no particular order. So folks. We're gonna just hit this in the kind of order We have we will be ahead of the video, but we're gonna give you the spoilers for Everything by the way Evan just said yo tell me about her spear Okay, so let's just start with some of the smaller things let's get some of these out of the way as I mentioned there was a what was that a Was it heresy yeah heresy a necromanter had like a teaser there was just like an image and nothing else So one for being adept as Yes In the room rumors have it as more plastic nights, but for ad-mech in the 30k set, right? So don't know that was just teasers. Okay. There was a worm 40k kill team that people seemed pretty excited about that was like Squats versus Jean Steeler calls. Yes. So what do you think about that one? You're you know, you guys are there's general kill team enthusiasm in there That seemed to be pretty well received and we got to see real models. Yes. Yeah, very unique new models Other than the one Jean Steeler big boy But yeah, very fun unique takes I think seeing this side of the Dwarfs It was really cool to see not just generic space dwarfs, but we gotta see some special specialist models Yeah, they're the Hurthkin. What were they Hurthkin something something? Rangers not Walker, Texas They had a name, but they were cool Marty. Do you remember their name Hurthkin something? Unfortunately where Tyler and I were sitting the speakers on both sides hit a lot of the text because it was Yeah, yeah frame in certain ways or it's just it was hard to see yeah, and then you had the Jean Steelers, which was really good I loved the veteran Jean Steeler like the veteran Imperial guardsmen who would yes More clearly. Yes. We really didn't get good pictures. Where was the way? You know, where was the framed model beauty shots of just the miniatures they were all put in the settings That's cool for the video like, you know, they're in a kill team board with like colored lighting like heavy red heavy green they all had the bisexual lighting on them and Like the problem was we didn't actually get the beauty shot of just the models Here's the 10 of them. What is the name of the spots I keep Leagues of OTAN there we go. Hold on. It's catching up I liked the Eastern European kind of like speck ops vibes at some of them have like the big kind of Longer like leather like jacket stuff like that and a long rifles and stuff. Yeah, that's pretty cool All right, and we drop for a second, but that's fine. We're back at it. We're back. All right, cool 40k they had two models. Well 40 kids so 40k we saw the chaos space frame stuff at the beginning That was like the two battle forces and all of that But there's all a lot of those are all models The new chaos lord dude. Yeah, that ass looking I think they were a little muddy there I think so this is from my understanding is there are two new models and two new box sets Right, so one each box that will have one of the two new chaos lords Correct I don't know if either of them will have the codex in it. I think they're just battle forces Mm-hmm. That makes sense, but they weren't quite clear on that. Yeah, they said battle forces Yeah, but do the battle forces include the codex? Sure. Yeah Is that is that a rule now? It was mostly old stuff repackaged, but the new lords did look really good Yeah, so okay, let's talk about the two things that are actually on the screen here. They're AOS related ones so first up we had the war cry of the Sylvaneth and the OBR So we had our big centroid Leader guy for that side are the other OBR and then we had the infected Sylvaneth Right, so I'm gonna go to two people for this Tyler as the our resident former Sylvaneth player. What'd you think of the Sylvaneth? I mean, I think it obviously goes with that thing. Marty's spotted this Friday It looked like basically new Dryads like we might write that's a kid of 16 It's this old kid of Dryads. Maybe we'll get a new box at some point. Yeah, they look great. Yeah, they're all Yeah, they mentioned they were more elite too. Yeah, like they were better angry or upgraded Dryad or something like that Yeah, yeah, so that was cool. Yeah, they're sweet. All right, Dougum and then on the OBR side John boner boys Oh, man, that's on Centaur does not do it for me Yeah, I agree at all just the design is just doesn't grip me Yeah, not a lot of exciting movement in it. Yeah age. He's very like Like when you take your key man, you just pull his arm. Yeah. Yeah, that's what he looked like Let's do that, but then give him two more legs in the butt. Okay, we're good. No, no, it's not doing it for me I actually liked the smaller guys. Yeah, I box better. Yeah, Scott. What did you think of any of those? So I made beef with Sylvaneth when they first came out They were mostly full-on tree people and there were like spite remnants that like things They were like half elf half tree and that's what I wanted out of wood elves for age I wanted like those blending of design elements I think if we're getting to this point now in a OS with Sylvaneth where there are enough of the like half elf half Tree people that you can make like a reasonable army. I'm just that stuff and aesthetically that would be exactly what I want What else to be in a OS? So I love seeing it and there was no more of it So yeah, it was good for me. Nice and then what's on let's catch up here We'll see actually talk about what's on-screen right now These fucking brethren. Oh my god, I love them. This was one of the weirdest reveals Yeah, yeah, but they're but they're the good guys so we got two forces here We've got FEC which are they described as like the elite chefs, which by the way these interviews That's what should have been. Yes, the elite chefs They collect cool body parts from the realms for the to feed for the feasts These are weirdo inspired lightning people who've all been struck by lightning They're gonna have a punch up Done wrong wrong wrong. Okay, so Let's get back to the figs The FEC dudes are pretty I thought like just whatever does anybody like impressed by the FEC The big bag is cool. The bag I was cool. Yeah, was it amazing, but it was cool. FEC pretty hard You know, yeah, exactly. It was just like yep. Okay. That's that thing at least I got weapons and stuff But yes, let's talk about the cities of Sigmar guys and they are all lunatic Sort of order of a easier flagellant like religious fanatics A famous enemy from hell in a ring, which is why I bring it up We've seen a little bit of that influence make more or less and who show wrong Okay, looks like you're like the first big boss from Elvin right now. I'm trying to say that this deal directly It's just like this is clearly like I can see the inspiration. Yeah, and it looks great This is the I think this might be the favorite Among ages sigmar folks of all of the models we saw tonight. I think this is probably gonna come away as the fan favorite Yeah, yeah, this was the The the the back story form is yes, they've all been struck by lightning in some way, right? They've all been hit by they've been struck by a smooth criminal. So Yeah, like they've all been hit by lighting and so now they feel like they're touched because they're lunatics great Can they're all one of them? That gets struck by lightning 66 times in the great orc doors starring John Candy, right? He's one of the guys on the squad Yeah, so so this was winter winter maw yet another thing I did I did manage to figure out the sort of pseudo sexual act That that one represents as well Okay, so now let's talk about this yeah, let's get to this one that the thing that just came up on screen So At the end of when we did our last story time Tyler I don't know if you watch the episode of the Tom and I did when we talk story time They tease this lady very much in the end of book five. They talk about how in Guy Rann There's this big storm and it's rolling down this peninsula and anybody who goes in there does not come back out Okay, and it's and there's yet somehow they have stories about what's in there So those two things don't work who's getting out to tell the stories. It doesn't make sense Anyways, they talked about like this big giant You know Flying woman who's like this terror and she's unbeatable in combat and yada yada yada, and that's her Abraxia So they described her Abraxia. She is the leader of the Varengard Archeons, you know sort of strong right hand and Scott, would you like to tell me a little bit about her spear? I couldn't catch any of it. Yeah. Yeah, they explained three times That her spear with scratches anything turns it into a chaos spawn and the reason she has horns is because she briefly lost focus While wielding the spear Through that mutation Yeah, that was explained three times in video and then twice Yeah, we only this part like they didn't re-explain everything else a million times So this is very important. They they re-explained her at her story Two to three times throughout the two the things it was insanity Rapid secession just like oh my god That being said, let's talk about what actually matters the model. She's gonna come in a box with three Varengard She'll have an army of renown. Yeah, that is her and basically Varengard the swords of Archeon Well, I think it's just called isn't that how slaves to darkness play right now, but Point taken um that model is Pretty freaking awesome. I think right like we're all we're all in the tank on this model Is anybody I can't wait to turn it into my non-slave to darkness army Her model itself is phenomenal. Yeah, I want a closer look at that mount. Yeah, I'm not sold on it on a first plant That's fair again. We didn't get the beauty shots of like rotating her seeing her in play Like it really bothers me because like we get these shots like you see on the screen right now where you know It's like okay. It's cool. It's the cool lighting and it's you know here amongst the other stuff But like I want to be able to like zoom in make the model big look at it understand the detail What are we actually looking at? How's the creature look does Devon derby face? Does it have any build options because you know they'll often do when they do the photo frames They'll do like the little cutouts of like this is head option one head option two and so on and so forth Right. We got none of that yet. Instead. We got I'm not gonna talk about it again After this video, there's gonna be individual articles more likely And so it's like will there be photos in there, maybe you can talk about this next week on the show But yeah, I hope so The pose was nice at the mount like sure it seemed more unique than a lot of the poses Yeah, it's kind of wrapping around. Yeah, it's a little bit of more like an extreme Lord on cracker cracker jack If the car contract was the chubby iguana, this is yeah And obviously they set up book six which is chaos unmount Hounds of chaos I had the ass in it in there Yeah, so book six is the the hounds of chaos and Yeah, like that's what's coming up right now. They're just gonna it's it's he's gonna talk about this story again We're gonna get the Abraxia story again with like a 50th time And you know, it's the two cities we know where they are and basically they're teasing that it's it's bringing You know that it's gonna open up a new thing in the mortal realms It's cuz Archeons on the move chaos is on the rise Yada yada yada one one shall stand one shall fall might throw away your life so recklessly prime and so on and so forth Okay They only showed the existing ones for now in the fight, but you know who knows I would imagine that could be a thing post launch We don't get it right away You know, I love how he said corgis is only like one One skull away from a demon becoming demon friends I'm like if corgis call in the story wanted to be it I have had derpy nobody characters become even princes in games by just rolling box cards on the eye of the gods acts are I'm 11 even on the eye of the gods accidentally like exalted champions of chaos. We're just like Yeah, exactly and so like I corgis call give me a break he could have been a demon prince 74,000 Times by now. He's like he killed like a continent in the story as a like a living continent as an offering to corn like, okay Okay, buddy. He's moving the goalpost. Yeah, corn's like I just one more. Just one more He's one of the very first corn bloodbound characters to come out for the first star Yeah, that's right. That's right He was it was him and that the the vandals is the good guy on the Dracula. I heard the track off Wow We call him Terry Tate just the office linebacker jokes. They're just like tackling people from off-screen just like moves up eight inches away Yeah, I mean, I'm interested to see what they do they talked about like the dark oath and them being used as pawns I'm excited for book six because it's even though the story's been pretty dumb It's just I want to see what happens with chaos But that then leads us to what everybody's actually here waiting for gentlemen Oh, yes There was an old world reveal it was for Dwarven mountain holds and like Legitimately a bunch of old derpy dwarfs that have been bad since they were printed originally because dwarfs generally look stupid and are bad and a new Plastic dwarf king on shield with shield bearers and that you shield bears on three shield bears Not the dude on the shields the other guy Okay, well that ungram iron fist model in the further for them was like he's mean Legitimately amazing Beautiful like and this is so I just gave you my opinion on dwarfs, right? Yeah, yeah, and like I just think most dwarf models look so derpy because they they sort of they suffer the worst from like the sort of old Hero syndrome thing they have these like big giant hands and big giant headbeards And they look like their bodies are about like this big like they're a head you just pretty cool But like obviously like legitimately ungram blew me away. That was I agree with you might have been the best model I Put him like on camera for more than like two seconds. Yeah, it was clean. It felt paintable. It was striking It was impressive. You got a sense of like his power from him like that's how you sculpt right there That's a good thing. What about his face though? I he had a shoulder on one side of his face And they had a helmet on and so it was lighter face It wasn't a lot of room to get in there. He does have a big helmet on too Yeah, I liked how much you could see I thought it was so he's kind of like a spark No, same same problem as we've been repeating. Yeah, but I Have a little bit of an issue, but we'll see we'll see you'll see that's fair. That's fair point. That's fair point Now we can get to the main event Okay Are we still good? Yes, and I said minor drops. Yeah, I I'm sorry, you know, there you go Uh, sorry guys, this is hotel internet. We have to deal with here. Sometimes it's real good Sometimes it's real bad. I bought the best internet I could here we go. Okay, it's still working All right, uh, let's talk about the bigger deal. Yes aos fourth edition Here we are Uh, we saw the ruination chamber the button has been pressed a new chamber has been opened Sigmar lied his lie. Okay It wasn't even that bad yet. We all knew that. Yeah, right. Yeah You're talking about the fact that their souls erode. Yes We know that was the thing they mentioned At the first book that was released in 2015. Yeah, this is not news, right? Yes. That was the story originally The malign line court narrative was yes. Yes Oh, was it okay to them as they you know, like we we thought we might eventually see these like guys guys versions don't cast like You know the opposite was they kind of hinted at that in the video right showing like the other side Yeah, which I mean maybe we'll get there eventually, but yeah, there was nothing I thought maybe like sigmar lied about their immortality, which I guess like they run out But no they just she like they just get more She showed up and she was like because her statement is sigmar lied. I'm basically I'm gonna paraphrase her statement was sigmar lied We lose some of ourselves. We're not true. We're like we're not immortal in the in the easy sense It's not all it's not all easy breezy beautiful cover girl But as long as I it's hard But as long as I stand I will fight and then they walk in and I'm like, okay. Well, she seems fine Like first of all I understand that I guess form cast is supposed to be a Sort of a parallel for actual soldiers who serve in repeated battles and like the PTSD and where and the dehumanization that war has Right. Sure. Just told through this like immortal lightning god story where when you die you shoot up and come back down or whatever Right, but that's like that's largely the story What should be happening to everybody in the mortal realms who goes to a ton of battle they become dehumanized To human and they become more human over time As they grow as people in storm cast they start as human and over time they become like the solace of tomata And I like that cut away where it's like it's not just her it's like when she uh, the the storm cast protagonist She dies as like a just like a normal barbarian warrior Yeah, you see like and it's her dead face on the ground and then we cut to her as like and her eyes are like stars Yeah, I like how we saw her progress like did you catch that? She was like a liberator the first time or whatever like an indicator vindictor. Sorry And she was like uh Annihilator. Yeah, she went through all the starter sets. That was pretty great She eventually she's like she looks like a lord celestine than the last right. Yeah, I think she's gonna be like the foot It's I I'm sure we could pick apart for like another half hour of what units were seen in there Sure Which was interesting and I did like the whole thing about how the scaven are not just coming out of knoll holes It looks like they're bringing the city of scaven blight. Yeah, what they call that like the something doom like the I Yeah, there's something doom. So like yeah, let me let me let's let's give the the quick story here So basic thing is scaven erupt their entire massive city into the middle of the great parks Which is like where the home of hammer hall and many other important cities of the city of sigmar are They break and this isn't just like a small thing that pops up. They erupt the ground They do this in multiple planes is what they were implying right then like cities massive massive massive Scaven holds in this like doom something pop up out of the ground like literally burrow up And then his direct quote was billions of rats flood out, right? Yeah And they are I do appreciate that they're keeping scaven's comedy at the same time like the claw lord Who's mount gets clubbed and he jumps off and he's like, all right. Bye Um, we got to see the new rattling cannon gun Rolling doom thing that was rattling gun in the thing, but he could be mistaken. So yeah Yeah, we saw the the big giant rattling gun in the video So yeah, like so if if this follows what we didn't see so just so y'all know I know you haven't gotten to this point the video yet. We're ahead of you We're talking ahead of what's in the video right now. This is the northern stuff What people want to see young them here in a minute um But for like people who want to who want to see this when you watch it you don't expect to see any models there was Zero a full zero models revealed for aos 4.0. We should just say that right out of the gate. Okay Zero models now we can infer logically that we'll get the new ruination chamber And we'll have those new ruination troops that came down with their big shields and like the thunders strike armor We'll have the new scaven gun. We'll get new gizales. You saw a new looking rat ogre Right. So like it's easy to imagine those will be your resculpts because that was basically what happened with 10th edition They showed the video Last year two models for 10th edition. I know they did. Yeah, they last year They actually showed mom when that beacon hits the ground and it's like bleep Bleep and it's quiet and then just like You know the the terminators teleport in and that dude just like It's just like wall bullets, right it goes out and just starts shredding Tearing it's not even like space beings or 40k, but I was like, oh, holy Bad stuff right here They can do they can cut a trailer they can do bullet born a lot better. They can do anime fight sequence It's that's what they need to do for age of sigmar. Yes, it should be much more anime fight sequence So but at any rate we saw no models, but you know, it's easy to imagine Okay clan rats claw lord clearly the claw lord on brood monster. We'll be back. We'll get re-sculpted because you saw him We saw the new thunders strike collaborators. Yep. So the new thunders strike braiders understrike Prosecutors the angel you know angels have been clamoring for yes, we saw at chocobo Yeah So yeah, it looked like a drakoff, but it had the head of Zangor basically very avian head. Yeah, I thought it was a Zangor for a minute and then they zoomed out and I was like, oh, okay Yeah, it's just a crow's head. Well, I think it's supposed to be something like Like analogy because it's like we saw zangor at the beginning of the trailer Like I think it's like supposed to be some similar species or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm very excited for those rewination troops that follow. Um, they're like like look like freighters or something like that I'm sure they'll have the name name storm cast name name They show us basically an equivalent of new paladins. I I would yes. That was the guys behind her. Okay. Yeah, I can't I thought I saw something like look they almost look like annihilators. Yeah, but Annihilators with capes Yes, I will paint a unit of three of those for capital palette. I'll say that much sure So, you know, like we got that and then they talked a little about fourth edition and they move over to it Things that were confirmed. Let's let's just hit the for everyone here watching Let's talk things that were confirmed for fourth edition. Number one They are going to what we are getting indexed as we have said So completely new war scrolls for every unit and every faction in the game That have all been rebalanced from the ground up like everything like numbers Points not to everything like completely crushed to zero and re And redone Right from the ground up. So like don't expect anything to look like it is He specifically said a bunch of rules had been cut that weren't needed to need to be there And they focused in on the rules that make the units feel like they should and then everything fits on like the one One one one one war scroll sheet one war scroll sheet Everything is just there and a key reason for that is the next private changes is the universal rules That's right. Yeah, so moving to a usr system. I am nervous about that But we'll see if the usr system is is extremely constrained i.e. Less than 20 Okay, okay. That's interesting. You want to be less. Correct. It has to be less explain why okay universal special rules are Time-saving tools. They are shortcuts, right, but they are also Things that hide information Okay, so when you look at your game piece if your game which in this case is your worst role, right If your game piece has all the information you need to play that thing on it Assuming you understand the very core rules of the game. Like what does it mean to fight or shoot or something like that? Right to roll a die Then you can play the game the more keywords you use like this is one of my problems in the old world The old world has something like 90 some bajillion Usr's okay, those aren't universal anymore because there's so many and some of this matroshka Of of of rules and the problem is all that's very opaque, right because you have to go wait What does this thing do right and so you have to stop reading the game piece? You're trying to use right. I have my scroll. I want to make a tax with it But I don't know how because all it says on my my Uh all it says on my scroll is Jibba jabba, okay, so then I have to go stop set that down pick up the normal book Flip flip flip flip find jibba jabba read what jibba jabba does Figure it out get got it Close the book put it down pick back up this roll and then do my thing right So it's an interruption whereas if the rules are printed on there and it says jibba jabba means roll to extra dice when this thing happens I just go, okay Right, but if you have a small constraint set say less than 20 and they're only the most sort of common occurrences like I don't know 60 hit is a mortal one. That's like a super common thing across workforce in aos, right? So I could imagine them turning that into a universal special if If that's a thing and it's like a small list of those types of things that I completely support Because and the examples he gave was like a standard bearer and a musician and a champion all become just rules Which I assume that means those will all be standardized too No more like oh this guy's musician does this thing and this guy's musician does this thing It's just you have a musician. It means this so great good fine, then I support it completely Right, it's like in magic You can print first strike or trample on a card and I don't need to pull those sticks because it's so vanilla We all know what it is, but if you print connive on a card Okay, we gotta give me the text And all right Okay, so we got that confirmation Uh, it will be its own box. Yeah spearhead. They said something about like a spearhead box that has everything in there I assume you said rules for all the factions. I assume we'll also probably have the rules for all the spearheads For free because they did also confirm that all of the all the indices all the index rules would be free So if they're going to do that if they're going to give you the rules for All the main game, I assume they'll give you the rules for the spearhead units as well So people can do that they reference a board with two different One a different board different realm on each side. Yeah, that's cool Like yeah, it's part of the box. I know you're excited about it. It's like thousand point games. I am. Yeah Having dis did like an escalation campaign where actually some of my most fun games for some of the smaller ones Strangely, I don't know why that happened. I'm excited for a more intentional and balanced version of that game And they made mention of like tactical cards that could be played and stuff like that. Yeah, that sounds pretty cool Yep Obviously made me think is that a herald of a updated or new secondary objective system And which they did not talk about for for the edition itself Bp outside of objective control, right? Okay. Well, he mentioned cards as part of spearhead. Yeah Yeah, so he said something about cards as part of spearhead, but you know spearhead will just be the vanguard Boxes like as we all I mean we know that because they've already started they've already started releasing products with that branding So like obviously that'll just be your pre-con commander deck build as we've said it's your on ramp cool, I Fully supportive of this Like yes good Do you think it's just going to be an on ramp thing or it's it's not going to be a legitimate way that No, I think it's going to be a legitimate way to play too I think their goal is to have both to be able to go broad or to be able to go deep So so what I mean by that is like for some people I don't know what they'll want to do is like They start with a spearhead They play spearhead games and then like, you know what? I'm going to naturally move up to 1,000 point games 1500 my games 2000 my games like build up my army that's going deep That's going deep. Okay. I think there's some people who will really like spearhead and will be like I'm just going to pick up another spearhead box and paint that and we'll just keep playing spearhead games Right, and I think that's so that would be going broad, right? So instead like you just buy other spearheads and keep trying it because I'm sure some of the armies will have like Fault for armies that are really big Yeah, the asset test for me is this this is something that Would actually get a lot of traction with rtt's around the country or around the around the world, right? One day events doing the spearhead events. I think if we could get that point, that would be, you know If it's good enough for that that would be amazing. I'm a little hesitant about that It's depicon 2024 10th edition came out last year. Are there any 40k? I don't know. Yeah, it's like Yeah, you might be right. They're good for new players I don't know if it's there's going to be necessary Does there need to be events for and I think those are all conversations we can have Yes more information comes out Yeah, because if we know anything from how they like to release their stuff and keep traffic coming to the Website every monday, they're probably going to show a new unit For this box like a different 40k. Hopefully we can hope I'm only basing it off of what we know from 10th edition, but they'll probably also as we get closer have more information About every aspect of it including spearhead and what that means for playing it out of the box So we've got the vanguard boxes, but didn't they release a box called spearhead recently? Yeah, those are saying yes The new ones are actually called spearhead, right? The new ones they're releasing. I just wonder if the vanguard boxes are going to be essentially Yes spearhead boxes. I'm sure they'll be. Yes. I'm sure they are and they'll just be rebranded Maybe they'll change contents here or there who knows, you know Yeah But yeah, and then did was there anything else we missed from the the fourth ed rules they confirmed free rules spearhead Combat range. Yeah, re melee reach is dead. Your combat range is just three inches now Everyone on everybody just that's how it is and they were going to be color coding abilities. Oh my gosh. Yeah What made me think of that is in 40k? A lot of sub factions have different command abilities or in their casers radigems And they're color coded by how much they cost So I was I was thinking about 40k when they said something like that Yeah, I'm not sure how that's going to work. We're not used to color coding in the graphic design of age of sigmar at all So it's interesting to see that being included at least from a graphic design perspective. I think it's a great idea I agree fully support any kind of user experience ease like that like hey all of this color is your Shooting stuff or whatever like I don't know. You know, whatever it is. Like yeah, that's that's great Like please please do that. That sounds like anything that makes it easier to add a glance find the rules you want Thumbs up big thumbs up for me Like I think they haven't invested in the past enough in like actual user experience in their books They made them they made them look pretty, but there's a difference between pretty and usable Right and so actually investing in usability is like it's a really important thing. Sure You mentioned a little events, but matt matt rose who emphasized that In his words, this was the first opportunity since the original launch of a west to get in And look at this from the ground floor sort of from first principles, right? And so he more or less was conveying that this is going to be a sizable update But he's also emphasizing That what sounded like they're making they've made a strong effort to reduce the complexity of the game, which we've talked about So god damn much on the show right over the last year plus you've talked about as well Like this game is just I think insane with the level of complexity that it's hit a lot takes to play the game Talking points. Yeah, so many gotcha moments like in this game Or like what feel like gotcha moments because you don't have a comprehensive encyclical understanding of everything that's going on Yeah, it's crazy. So I was really encouraged by that. I'm hoping that will actually come through Let's uh, let me let me let me answer a couple comments here because there's people asking about stuff Uh, you know, no moosto said everything melee has a reach of three inches We're ready for double reinforced dead walker zombies Una there it's going to be completely new scroll for zombies. So who knows that could be perfectly fine You assume things can still be double reinforced. I don't know that all the rules are potentially up for changing So like it does reinforcement exist. Does double reinforcement exist. Is that even a thing? Right, like don't assume facts not evidence Don't don't put those things on to like what we know is what we know but don't try to apply that to the current rule set because Literally everything could change underneath you as far as the foundation Ben Ben Johnson alluded to um entire stat changes. Yeah. Yeah, they said they're completely they said they rewrote every worst wall Yeah, I mean like they they they're like how we conceive of stats. Yeah. Yeah, could be different. Yeah, right, right Um, and then let's see Dougie fresh it how will index rules work like no sub factions faction spells traits artifact sounds bland I don't know Uh, I have no answer. They didn't say they just said they're going to get new rules My guess is you're not talking about a super bland thing. My guess is you're probably talking about like You know a set of Playable rules probably with a with a way to go like with a way to play the thing Um, should it'll feel with options and stuff like that. This has happened to um, If 40k more than once sure and we got this after a fashion with a just sigmar second edition as well And like they tried to just keep as much flavor as possible in the units as well as in the army abilities Which are available at launch. So I'm sure it's going to be less than blend. Yeah, I'm gonna go then Well, people are still playing 40k 10th edition. So I think that's gonna be okay. Well, like for the second edition of me I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, I'm right. There's an easy critique of this but I'm sure capitalism is gonna Capitalize Anyway, like sure like yeah, yeah, yeah, I get all like it's their business model Personally, I do think this is needed in many ways. Like this it sucks, but it's needed. Yeah Throwing away all the books and starting with a new index. Oh, okay. So it's encouraging the reverse of a code x or a new book Yeah, okay. So like ultimately Like I know and people who are super down on indexes and says it's gonna be busted I don't know that. I also don't think it's gonna be great. I don't know what it's gonna be I have played this game now for 26 27 years And I have seen many an index time where where things were reset Sometimes it was very fun and very good and generally actually led to good play experiences Sometimes it was very bad and horribly imbalanced It depends on the work that the team did in getting to that point and how much they were allowed to invest in things like play testing What I do know is that for the first time ever they have a formal qa position formal developers doing development work They have a lot of internal play testing and a lot more rigor to their process than they ever have before We have matt rose who I think is an incredibly talented Uh designer and incredibly great person in charge of that studio. So I have more hope Then I ever have at a change point like this Uh because the evidence right is this is the we've said this a lot, but it has increasingly been true Right now. This is the best ecosystem the best environment that we've the most balanced environment that we've ever had So if we can do that thing if we can simplify things down if we can make it a more accessible play experience And not lose the heart and soul of it then what's going on then you're going to be successful, right? So I mean I'm not going to assume any facts not evidence. I'm glad we're getting indexed I think it's actually the thing that needed to happen I want to see scrolls rewritten. I wanted to see changes like that combat range Because piling in and all these little techy moves and stuff like that is where I hate that kind of play Right where it's like, oh I won because I happen to know how to like exactly daisy chain my unit to get the maximum Use your abilities. Well, right did you whatever, you know Those are the things that should be skill testing about this game using your units using your game pieces in the best way possible This is why you and I love magic so much because You and I both know that the difference between a player who wins and a player who loses in most games is who uses their limited resources Correctly. Yeah, that's right. Who makes better trades who makes better choices. That's how the game should work And so the more it works like that the better um and so, you know like All in all, I'm I'm excited about it. I think it's you know, I We'll see I'm obviously excited for a bunch of new scaven now for please god's sake Go down the description to pick up all your monument hobbies with the affiliate codes for me. There you go. How about that? Don't use john's affiliate code. That's crap. Use mine. Um, all right, so All right, final thoughts here. Let's close this up Tyler Yeah, you you said it well for going along. So I think you summarized well. I'm excited as well I'm on the fourth edition. We needed this. So yeah fingers crossed Same. All right. Yeah Marty, will this be the addition I paint more than one storm cast model I only painted one for all of third edition. So yeah, I'm excited, but I'd like to see new storm cast models, please Oh, here we go. Here we we finally we're gonna end as that cool trailer is playing with her So yeah, we'll let the video play while we go here. Scott. What do you want? What's your final thoughts? I think ruination chamber is a sexy name for a chamber. It is We've been excited about it since we first like this showed up on a on a uh image in like 2015 2016 I think it sounds cool in the chambers. We were like, what is this? I want this one and I think this is maybe the best time to start playing age sigmar like when this comes out Maybe yeah John uh For the first time in my age of sigmar career. I will be starting an army. That's math death The rats are coming Absolutely very excited for scaven. I wish we saw more. Please never do a preview in this format again It was absolute torture. I cannot I am going to file a complaint with the you have violated the Geneva convention There will be a charges brought in the hang Okay For this that that has been done a war crime has been committed But I do want to say thank you to everybody all the like gw people who put all the work into this like The the the choice was bad, but everybody worked really really hard. So all the community people all Matt and phil and everybody who did all the interviews and sat down and put all this work into it All the unseen editors who had to put countless amounts of hours into editing all this stuff the real heroes Yes, all those people did amazing like this stuff was great. It just was a terrible format Now that great for going to warmer community dot com and watching that stuff for youtube and watching that stuff Not sitting in a room for an hour. Yes, exactly. Yeah Uh, so there you go, uh, you know, this trailer is really cool here It's going to watch the scaven. Uh, I do love this little dude getting speared and picked up in the sky. That's fun Yeah, the new prosecutors that do drop here's our new little thing the fun moment here Let's just let's just all live react to this fun trailer we watched here for the last 10 seconds of this video Uh, a little bit dude getting shot that dude just got plowed by that thing. Yeah, he gets rocked from a logic story Boom just clocks that dude in the head. Yeah, here you go Here's the local or just like nope. Bye. It's just I'm just out of there. Peace out. There were a lot of good moments in the video about that Yeah, you were saying about the 4k one. Yeah, I just I thought the 40k one was better directed It had an actual story like a beginning middle and and yes, um, it had more dialogue in it Which was or rather the the monologue was longer than this Yes, it was probably it was made by the same people like it's in the same art style But clearly it's like a lot more I don't want to say effort because that would imply less effort went here But I think a lot smarter direction went into the 40k one. I agree So at any rate sigmar's lie was a lie. We knew all along and all the stormcast actually no It's not anything surprising. It's the fact that yes, there's humanity wears away We all know that thank you and yes gave in our back, but we haven't seen any models for anything. So There we go summer 2024 More information. I'm sure we'll be coming. We'll be talking about it We'll be covering it for all of you out there who watch this. Thank you Very much tyler marty scott john Thank you all so much for making this a big reveal show all five of us just sitting in here in my hotel room Thank you to the crappy hotel internet for saying almost stable the entire time And uh for all of you out there Thank you so much for watching Support the channel hit like share this do all those things click things that make dings You can find all the stuff down below all the affiliate links. I mentioned all that's very appreciated But uh for now it's late. I'm tired. Uh, I'm I'm beat from this this uh This sycophia and torture. I just went through and I'll say we'll see