 Yeah, doing it weekly seems to be the prime spot That's what I was doing I you know, but I was like maximizing. Yeah exactly and and that's what I was doing But it was sort of stagnant it wasn't I was like well, maybe people don't want to pay me Well, don't want to give you money No, that's true. Maybe people don't want to do that I think that a lot whenever the numbers go down. I'm like, maybe people are just tired of my dail Doing a long time. I don't mind a new deal Tom and integrate a chicken Now chicken and every pot and then the dumplings could be like the next tier pot for every chicken Libertarian spin Yeah, so I'll probably talk about it into the show, but if anybody's out there and wants to support me They can't y'all hear Gary Johnson's running for Senate New Mexico. No He I thought he just honestly like after the election. I thought he just kind of fell off the radar for me No, you think that because he wasn't making news every day anymore because the election was over But he wasn't stopping he wasn't stopping he was enjoying his liberties. That's right He was terry ending his liberties all over the country I don't know if that's a hey, do we need to reorder these stories Thomas nope. Oh, yep You're right Sorry, I meant I meant to say some earlier, but I was like I was holding out hope I didn't want to change anything until until I had to honestly We just need to reassign those two and now we're good Yeah Using my art as their little is their little drawings as their little things Oh, is there are avatars yes your little avatars. Yeah, are they giant blue creatures from a La shale planet and or the chill zone. Okay. Oh Len wants to be my friend. Hey Careful. I don't know about that. Yeah. Have caution Tom. Look at that. You let Len in and You get all great art There now I have a friend Message me message me friend, okay Send me a modicon It's not like discord is rocket science or anything But but I remember what I was setting up this, you know that because Tom had set up everything for DTNS I was like, oh Okay, it took me a minute. There were the discord does a few things are interesting As far as just kind of like the back end stuff goes but it's a really fun app. I Don't know if anyone else thinks this is you just have to get used to it. That's all yeah Yeah, no, it's it's yeah, there's not not no real learning curve But I think I'm just so used to using slack for a lot of things that I was like Oh discord actually works a lot better for a lot of other things. They're they're both nice tools. Yeah Alrighty then I gotta play with all this. Yeah. Yeah, shall we do the show then show what? You're a show Ms. Lane May I ask you to read line three? You may and you have please read line three Okay, I do you're gonna go there. I just do all right here we go three two Thanks, everybody who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash supports This is the daily tech news for Friday, August 24th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio zoo I am Sarah Lane. Oh and from You know Cleveland, Ohio. I'm land Let's not try to put too fine a point on it. It's where I am It's been a couple weeks. I forgot how to do this Studio zoo though is new You may have heard of the Bronx Zoo or perhaps the San Diego Zoo. Well, my home Feels like both of those but a little bit less organized. Yeah Wait, I love it. That's tough our producer Roger Chang is here, but Roger You'll be absent for a little bit because you're having another baby I Will be well, you know You're a big part of it. You throw the father in try to write her in as a deduction as soon as possible. Yeah So yes, big thanks to Amos. You may have heard us reference Amos may have heard Amos talking on the pre and post show He'll be filling in for Roger next week. Let's start with a few tech things. You should know The Samsung Galaxy Note 9 and Galaxy Watch are on sale now the Note 9 128 gigabyte version is $1,000 you can get 512 gigabytes for $1,250 the 42 millimeter Galaxy Watch is $330 or if you want LTE It's 380 and the 46 millimeter model is 350 or 400 with LTE No more word on the Galaxy home smart speaker Slack developer Felix Reisberg has created the best thing ever For Windows Mac OS and Linux you can now run Windows 95 as an app Blessed blessed day wordpad works paint works mind sweeper works. I would not recommend running The drive detector the drive space app because that hung it up for me and I can't get it unhung yet But it also doesn't have networking services because you can't really use internet Explorer You can download the app and the source code on get hub Why don't ask why just have fun. Just do it It's Friday. The World Bank has priced the world's first public bond that is managed entirely using blockchain It's a test to see how blockchain might improve bond sales practices Commonwealth Bank of Australia is the sole manager of the two-year bond now the blockchain process makes almost instantaneous a procedure that usually requires a manual book build and then allocation and then extended settlement and then Registrar and then a custodian. No, man. I can't wait till buying a house is on the blockchain. I'm just saying Who will do it first? I bet somebody's doing it. Yeah, right. Let's talk a little bit more about Epic and by epic. I mean the game company encouraging players of fortnight to secure their accounts with two-factor Authentication now, that's not new Blizzard was pushing two-factor authentication ten years ago because everybody was trying to hack into everybody else's World of Warcraft accounts So two-factor authentication is very mature using it on popular games like fortnight Not a big surprise, but epic is encouraging you to turn on to FA by giving you the boogie down character emote for free Makes your character boogie down I have to say this is a really genius way to make people be more secure because a company can tell you all day and You know give you little pop-up warnings and you know remind you and you know Google and Facebook do this to me all the time I have to to a fey turned on anywhere I can but for everyone else who is like It's the incentive of of getting something cool In in in reaction to doing what you should do for the for the sake of you for your own sake But all that also the company's sake is really genius. It's the carrot. It is Herit Kerr No, I withdraw that one. It's the carrot not the stick, right? Like that's that's that's the whole point here Granted fortnight Has an advantage where they have things like emotes that are in-game very popular that they can do that will motivate people I'm not sure how this works in like enterprise software But but you know, maybe I mean slack has emojis. Maybe there's a custom emoji. They could give you or something I mean you can create your own. I know that but Yeah, the idea of getting people to be more secure by giving them something they want seems like Something you could apply in a lot of places. Maybe it's sort of like training a dog to sit If you do this thing, right It's like hey, you want to boogie down about you can see I've got lots of dog metaphors these days I can I'll keep them coming to FA to FA. No to FA FA good boy BuzzFeed news obtained an email from Facebook head of cybersecurity policy Nathaniel Geitscher Glitcher rather scheduling a discussion with Google Microsoft Snapchat and other companies to be held at Twitter headquarters Friday What is it about? Well, the meeting is described as the next step in discussing information operations and election protection Especially considering that this is an election year Yeah, okay, this is causing a bigger stir than I would expect but probably just because it has the word election in it And everybody seems to freak out when you bring up anything that has the like what elections stolen not stolen You're wrong. No, you're wrong that the way that conversation usually goes But I think it's good that all of these companies that are Facing the same challenges both in managing expectations of their users and Legitimately having problems on their platforms are getting together You know snapchat hasn't suffered from the same kinds of problems that other companies have and maybe the other companies can learn something from that And maybe snapchat just hasn't suffered from it yet And maybe this can help them prevent it from happening because they can learn from other companies I think this is a very good thing. I think it's a very good thing too I think yes, the the the fact that election is in there has people going like oh, there's a big deal But also it's sort of head of all these companies, you know Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey at secret meeting at Twitter headquarters You know, what could they be discussing? You know changing their platforms? Well, the two companies and obviously there are others involved Google and snapchat among others But but if you just think of Facebook and Twitter as examples of two companies that all we hear about is is, you know, the the the riots from from from users who feel that the the the platforms are contributing to the the the fall of society and I'm sure that a lot of that is part of the discussions, but it's not necessarily as Big a deal like Twitter isn't going to change tomorrow probably based on these meetings but it does Provide a window into the fact that these companies are working together and notice similar problems on social platforms Yeah, I feel it's interesting that Facebook called the meeting at Twitter's headquarters, right? It's it's very much like the the meeting of the five networks. We will find neutral ground I will call the meeting but we will hold it to my friend jack's Place so that everyone feels comfortable Because you know These are competitors all all of these companies want to steal something from each other whether it's ad dollars Or or users or eyeballs or whatever So it is a big deal for them to to try to negotiate a way to cooperate and I I think that's huge Well, folks apple has dozens of shows. Yeah, if you haven't heard opera Spielberg those where do I where do I watch these shows tom? It can't watch That's the fun part. Yeah, we have no idea what they're doing with all of this jennifer aniston reese witherspoon american shows Because Somebody will be able to watch them someday. I want to assume Our technica has confirmed that among them our tv series based on isaac asimov's foundation series huge Fundamental science fiction series that informed everything from star trek beyond Not star trek beyond the movie but informed a lot of science fiction both television and written It is a novel that spans generations It's about harry selden who who works for a foundation that can kind of predict the future And tries to preserve The the rights of people in the face of the declining galactic empire. It's about sociology It's about science. It's it's it's something that if you haven't read and you do like science fiction You you probably ought to read just for science fiction literacy. Anyway, it's starting into a tv show at apple David goyer screenwriter for the dark night and batman begins and josh freedman creator of the tv series terminator The sarah connell chronicles will be the showrunners. So they've got a nice resume. They'll also be executive producers Isaac asmov's daughter robin will also be an executive producer and the series will be produced for apple by sky dance Uh sky dance the folks who did altered carbon for netflix. Uh, if you're familiar with that, uh, they also do the um john krasinski series on amazon jack reacher the jack reacher series on amazon, so Again, more big names sarah making big shows Uh, no one's ever successfully been able to bring an isaac asmov foundation series to air or movie so Sure, I mean, it sounds like sky dance is doing all the work, right? Uh, well, yeah And that's true of all of these that's a really good point. Like it's not like apple is producing any of this stuff They're they're basically paying Production companies to make shows for them. Yes, which is which is the hollywood model Um, even though sure it's changing in some ways. That's that that's how most of this works. Yeah at the same time Okay, let's jack ryan. Thank you. Sorry jack ryan not jack reacher. Okay. Thank you and mic Oh jack ryan not to be confused with jake ryan That's a whole different person, but uh, but some of you will get that you're old enough um, I think that And let's just say let's just say that apple announced all these shows, you know What their iphone event in the fall now? I don't totally think that that's going to happen But hey stranger things have right what if they did right if they're you know, they come out and tell We got a new yeah Like oprah's working with us reese and jennifer are working with us But you know, we've got you some things in the works and for all these science fiction folks of which we know You know play very well on tvn movies. There's a huge audience there I feel like this is a great way to round out content for anyone who's like, I don't know about that fluffy stuff It's not even the first science fiction show they've acquired. They've got a ronald d more Uh deal two, uh, and I know i'm forgetting another one That's they have just got a huge huge pile of stuff And it's going to be really interesting when they finally come out and say and now you can actually watch it Right and in this category, we've got three shows rather than just the one. Yeah, it's it's uh, it's I I I'm eagerly awaiting something anything apple soon of the better The next web reports that michael trazi from sorbonne university in france and roman v yampolski from the university of louisville In the u.s. Are researching the merits of artificial Stupidity now the idea behind this is that artificial general intelligence, which is the smartest kind of ai that we have at this point Doesn't actually have computational and cognitive limits The way all humans do in some form so from the white paper from these researchers says We say that an ai is made artificially stupid on a task when some limitations are deliberately introduced to match a human's ability To do that task an artificial general intelligence or agi can be made safer by limiting its computing power and memory Or by introducing artificial stupidity on certain tasks And to test this the researchers among other things are coding in 14 human biases That would be like the bandwagon effect We've all heard that or confirmation bias or authority bias or the spotlight effect and so on Yeah, so this is this is a hard one to wrap your head about artificial general intelligence is the idea that the ai can think on its own It doesn't need to be trained much. It doesn't need to be given a set of data It can just generally think Which is something that isn't quite ready for prime time. This is not what the go playing bot does This is not what Watson does But the fear is once we get artificial general intelligence working really well It will Be a danger. This is what elan musk and steven hawking Worn and warned about because it could become a super intelligence Which we then couldn't stop because we wouldn't be smart enough That's the fear a lot of people think the fear is overblown But these researchers are saying well just in case Maybe we should put in some breaks, uh, and they're calling it artificially stupid Because all the biases that we're trying to correct for on facebook and twitter They're like we'll just give them those and that'll keep them from being too smart Will it though? I mean, I don't know. It's it's this is a fascinating story And I was trying to think of an example Before the show of okay. Well, if someone says robot's going to take my job on the assembly line What would be a situation where the robot would be like? I know what's better than this, you know Because these humans didn't actually make this assembly line correctly and kind of muck the whole thing up anybody has A uh an example Please let me know because I couldn't really think of a good one But I understand why this would be really advantageous just at least for research purposes To see how human like AI can be Based on all of these biases and limitations that that humans have we don't all have the same ones That's the thing so you have to introduce a bunch and then kind of see where how it shakes out Yeah, I mean these these artificial general intelligences won't be working on the assembly line, right? They they will be they'll be running somewhere as a as a consultation device The one would think and if i'm reading the white paper, right? The way they're thinking these biases will help is for instance the bandwagon effect. That's the effect that says Well, everybody else thinks this is awesome. So i'm going to think it's awesome too, whether it's awesome or not if you have the agi Suffer the bandwagon effect. It will start to acquire human values and be less likely to say You know what humans really aren't necessary like I can logically prove that you're not necessary Instead it'll be like well bandwagon effect like all the humans think they're necessary So I guess they're necessary to be able to be like the humans. Uh, that's just one example I love it Yeah, wonderful world we live in Bring on the stupid ai Uh, yes stupid ai and flying cars Volkswagen uber kitty hot and glee are among the companies that are right now developing flying cars like the tech is actually Feasible it's actually being built the bigger challenge now is less about the technology and more about Safety like how do we make it so that people don't kill each other with flying cars? How do we make it so that we don't run into airplanes? What kind of government regulation do we need? That's going to be the big barrier now Uh as they perfect the actual technology behind it and japan is trying to get ahead of that The trade ministry is gathering 21 companies together in tokyo on august 29th to create a flying car roadmap for japan's government Or maybe a flight plan would be a better thing than a road map. So it's flying cars Whatever it is the idea is to provide safety standards and infrastructure ahead of other countries To make japan appealing as to place to launch your flying cars One of the reasons for that is the japanese automakers are a little bit behind uber and glee and kitty hawk In making these and so japan thinks well if our domestic companies need to catch up What if we become the place where everybody wants to start so they've invited uber airbus bowing nec Uh, a toyota backed company called cardivator And some airlines like ana and japan airlines as well as yamato holdings Which is just a big conglomerate in japan. Uh, those are among the companies in this initial group You know, I had a funny thought about because my My question is is always immediately like, yeah, how do you how do you stand your lane? Right when you're in the air if there are enough cars where there's a real hazard of of running into another or Or varying off course What if the flying cars? Actually just Were above a road that already existed now I know that that sounds silly because it's like the whole point is to not have to deal with the road but the road could illuminate sort of like um The uh, what's the hotel in las vegas with the with the light that goes up to that you can see some space The luxor kind of well, maybe not that that um strong but something where it's like, okay There's the road But then there's the vertical flying road up above kind of like the training wheels for all of us road car Drivers. Yeah used to it because obviously if you're a pilot, you know, like well, I don't need that landmark You can fly by numbers Right, but you can because you're a pilot I I can know the numbers but might be nice to be like, oh, okay I'm being guided by that thing down below and in fact, that's a great idea because it wouldn't even have to stick to all roads You could erect. I would think you'd be able to erect fairly cheaply just some guide post lights If you want to expand the lanes so that you can you can provide Safe flight paths that are out of the way of everything else Yeah, as a as a person who doesn't really like jaywalking and you know But I am fearful in a car in general and like to follow rules. It's like I would want this I don't feel comfortable. Uh, well, I suppose if I had enough training flying a car would be Second nature. Sure. I mean driving a car was hard at first as well But as somebody who's like, I would like to tiptoe into this and I want everybody to be as safe as possible That was my little idea. Yeah. Well, I'm curious what japan comes up with and why they didn't invite you to this meeting Yeah, I obviously I'm full of good stuff. Uh, come on japan get on it If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right facial recognition software installed monday at washington dallas international airport flag 26 year old man As not matching his passport photo. They had just installed this monday Boom caught somebody turned out the man traveling from brazil With a supposedly french passport was carrying his real id from the republic of congo in his shoe now Orlando international airport implemented the same software back in june There if they caught anybody they're not saying but uh, so so dallas kind of lucked out in making this work right away But there's a lot of talk about whether security is effective at airports or whether it's all security theater There's a lot of talk about whether facial recognition is actually useful. Would it would can it really? Provide any kind of security or is it just some kind of invasion of privacy? Uh, this is but one data point that does not make a proof, but it is interesting It is interesting I guess it must have been inside his sock, right because he would have had to take his shoes off I don't know. Maybe I don't know if he had socks on but yeah good point Yeah, well, there was a photo and it did appear that but yeah, I don't know. Maybe he had tsa pre but but uh No, not if he's come if he's french. She wouldn't add tsa pre. So oh, yeah, that's true. Okay. It must have been in a sock You're absolutely right and yeah, I think we we have talked quite a bit especially lately about how Facial recognition For example, that's used by law enforcement agencies at least a few of them in the u.s. Where there's false positives and people are worried about About the the legal implications of of of folks who are being unfairly targeted all of that stuff is Extremely valid And so this sort of story is sort of like, huh? All right. Well I guess if the facial recognition software had not been installed There's a much greater chance that the passport would have would have he he may have gone through We don't really know but we do know that he was caught this way Tom and I were having an interesting discussion this morning because I was like well, okay, but I mean if I walk if I try to walk through tsa with a Unregistered gun. I mean I will probably be caught So it's not because I I had I had said is this the first time they've actually caught someone Being it for for a criminal violation At tsa and you're like one about guns. I'm like, oh, you're right. Okay people get caught bringing guns through tsa But my argument back to you was but they're not necessarily intending to commit a crime Most of those people forgot the gun was packed or or didn't realize or you know, they didn't have intent to harm You know, I mean no and knives too like a lot of times people have knives in their baggage, etc Of course, um, in fact, I have had not a knife, but you know, it just was army knife You know things seized through tsa that I was like, oh, sorry. I forgot that that was in there But if I was intending to commit a crime, um Then yes something like facial recognition software, which as you mentioned tom It's you can't you can't have an illegal passport. That's that's not okay So that in itself is a crime even if this man who I do not know was intending to commit a crime After getting in the u.s. Or not. Yeah, and and and Then of course you brought up drugs and I'm like, oh, yeah, no airport security catches drugs mugglers a lot over the years So it certainly isn't the first time that they've caught a criminal but it did somehow it stood out to me because There are no examples I can think of where the security checkpoint Stopped an attack that we know of other than deterrence and I'm not trying to discount that But I'm saying they didn't like find someone trying to bring something through and said Oh, you were planning an attack and we foiled it That's that's usually not what tsa does usually tsa acts more as a deterrent And and it does catch these smaller crimes that we're talking about So this felt big to me like oh it actually they actually stopped somebody while they were doing something wrong right And again, it's it's if you have people who you know if I go through Security and I've got my passport. I don't have any fake passports on me at least right now No, I'm just kidding. I've never had one But if you know if it's if it's me and and this is actually happening going through customs You know, they're kind of like take off your hat and look this way and yeah, okay I guess that's you but again that that would be I would think your eyes are tired. It's been a long day You see a lot of folks kind of looks like the passport says all the right things Facial recognition in that sense would be really helpful Potentially and has been as we've seen here Thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show at reddit.com Also head over to facebook.com slash group slash daily tech news show lots of options to keep in touch with us Let's talk about Vertical farms eric aka ebarch in our irc as you may know him is reporting in from his Vertical farm job. Hey dts crew. This is eric barch or as you may know me better in irc ebarch And I really enjoyed your conversation on agtech and chipotle and just felt I had to chime in as I actually work for a vertical farming startup in pittsburgh Now if you're not familiar with vertical farming Kind of as its name implies we stack the produce vertically inside a building versus the traditional farming where you'd have a big giant open field And that actually becomes very important because space is at a premium in urban areas Now we're doing some interesting things like using commodity hardware So raspberry pies to reduce our cost of automation by an order of magnitude And because all the food is grown indoors, we have a lot more control over the variables So everything from temperature to humidity to co2 and it also allows us to drastically reduce the use of pesticides That you would have to use in a traditional farm Now some people might think that we're in direct competition to traditional farms But traditional farms still have quite the edge in terms of volume The thing that makes us unique because we're growing indoors We can grow things that the traditional farms wouldn't be able to depending on the time of season So things like tomatoes we probably wouldn't grow that in the middle of summer But you know the winter it'd be a great opportunity for us Anyway, I just want to mention a few things because I think there's a lot of cool stuff happening in the space And as always keep up the good work and I'll be around to watch z barge signing off. We have the best audience ever Really do. Oh my gosh Give me good tasting tomatoes in the winter. I beg of you Well, and I love that it's in pittsburgh, right that not where most people maybe people in pittsburgh would Think this I don't know. Uh, but most people wouldn't guess pittsburgh They'd probably pick iowa or something even though it's like, well, no a vertical farm could be anywhere Right, it could be in downtown Manhattan if you wanted it to be I think well and and and um Good stuff like Less pesticide use is something that I just wouldn't have thought of but it makes perfect sense. Yeah vertical farms. All right Thanks e-barge. Thanks e-barge. All right. What do we got in the mail bag, sir? Vince has some thoughts on apple removing facebook security app onavo, which we talked about uh yesterday from apple's app store Vince says apple says facebook was gathering data about installed apps Facebook says they aggregate the data so it's not personal. So it's not violating the rules Maybe I misunderstood the points that were made in the show But if this was just web traffic, then all vpns would be in trouble While ios won't just hand over a list of installed apps I have a suspicion that onavo was using the ability to ask if specific apps were installed So facebook could be checking which of their apps and key competitors apps are installed as facebook moves into other markets Online dating for example apple may have finally noticed what they were up to as the list of apps They asked about past some threshold Uh, no, it's a good point vince and and I you know deserve the correction for for stating it wrong and talking about web traffic my point was that they That they had to be doing something more than just logging web traffic or a browser. I use browsers, but vpns would be another one Uh, they were and I didn't make this clear on yesterday's show Analyzing the traffic that went through their vpn to see what apps were being used. They weren't doing anything special Uh, they were just logging it. So they were logging more Than just what they needed to operate the vpn And I think that's that's where facebook and apple were having the disconnect for facebook's like Hey, we're just logging it and keeping track. It's not associated with anyone's id and apple's like, yeah, but you don't need to Log it In order to provide the service all you need to do is pass the data along And sure you keep logs as a matter of record, but you were actually collecting them and co-lating them and making stats out Of them and that's not okay. So thank you vince for giving us a chance to clarify that further Absolutely. Also, thanks to len parolta who's been drying up a storm this entire show very quietly. I might add len Where are we? I'm always quiet zero Um, yes, you know, uh facial recognition. How do you beat facial recognition? Well, if you're a green guy who has maryland manson air Well, all you got to do is put up a little face in front of your face And uh, and then people won't ever think that you are evil And no no one in the tsa line will think twice about you about those green hands of viewers No one. Yeah, it's exactly. This is sir. Are you holding a mask in front of your face? No I don't have green skin. So Sir, we didn't say anything about green skin. Do you have green skin? Uh, I'll be right back Hold that thought hold on you don't need to take your laptop out of your bag Yeah, so this this image is available at my online store right now at len parolta store dot com plus I just want a quick plug from my patreon this month. I switched over from per week to monthly And uh got hit pretty hard. So i'm looking for patrons if you're a patreon I'm looking to get a hundred if I can we'll see i'm halfway there So uh head on over to patreon.com forward slash len and give me some love by the way I'm also on discord and I'll figure that out. I'll too and by love. He means a dollar or more or more Uh, hey, uh, thanks to everybody who's helping get us to our monthly patreon goal Dave So and john are just three of the fine people who have put us within eight Folks of meeting our monthly go So if you thought at all about kicking in a dollar or more for membership in the awesome dts audience Can you can be right there with ebarch? Please head to patreon.com slash dts Right now Our email justice feedback at daily tech news show at dot com We give you so many options to talk to us. So please keep them coming. It's so great to hear from everybody We're also live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 utc Find out more tell a friend daily tech news show dot com slash live Monday is our august round table with jason howell and dale chase talking music with those fellas can't wait We'll talk to you then Pants network get more at frog pants dot com Club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Wonderful show ever. That was a fun show. It was a fun show. You know a very nice job I love having the guests, but sometimes it's just fun to chat you and I sarah Hey, I agree with lens drawing right. I know The whole time quietly in the back. I've see I've started a game with myself just because I I'm Incapable of doing anything without like I don't know spinning out of control in my head Doing some other thing where I try to guess what len will draw Sometimes it's the subject and sometimes I'm pretty sure I know and I want to try to guess what it's going to be Like never once been even close. Wow never once been even close to right That's pretty cool. Like close in what you think it's going to look like or close And what you think I'm going to draw right? I should be our little discord game like everybody guess Yeah, what they think you're going to draw well because today I suspected it would be facial recognition But I could not possibly guess that it you know, it's it because your artistic mind works differently Well, thank you so much that that means a lot because sometimes I feel like I'm running by the seat of my pants I have no idea what I'm going to draw That's sort of the fun of it. Yeah, one would think that's how I feel doing the show every day len Well, you do a great job, sarah Seems like you're like just You're you're up. You're ready to go. You hit the you hit the mark and you're you just right there So it's uh, well, that's very nice of you to say, uh, we are we are creatures of schedule here on the show And well, I think what it is is as long as my schedule doesn't deviate. I'm good You guys are professionals, which is great. You guys are pros. We forget that sometimes You're the pros man We are the pros from dover Uh, what what should we call this professional podcast that we've just completed two factor boogie Two factor boogie is great That's awesome The two factor boogie In fact, maybe we can get dale chasen jason howl to make us a two factor boogie song That would be great two factor boogie Hey, so, uh Dumb. Okay. Here's a couple discord questions. I have for you. Okay. Um, I tried not to play with it while I was on On like when I was on the show. I accidentally hit the voice thing and got double sarah. So I'm like, okay I better turn that off. Um and then It says I do not have permission to send messages in. Oh, right. I need to give you that permission Okay, okay. Are you in the dts server right now? Are you in general? I am in general right now, right? Call the general So I need to find you And you can't send me a message so Well, I can send you I can send you a private message, but not a message through this. Yes. No, I just I don't think that's how I can do it Double sarah sounds too sweet Double sarah Like I hit I pressed good day internet and suddenly I heard sarah twice and I'm like, oh, I better turn that off So I understand what voice does um And then and then is there a discord ipad app Ooh that I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I don't know the You could run it up. Yeah If it's like specially redesigned to the ipad Well, let's look Because I will I'll download it on there and maybe because I have so much on my on my desktop You're just left, right? I'm lend number eight four nine six. Well, yeah, but I'm just looking On the sidebar it just shows And you're in dts. I'm in general dts general. All right. Yeah Let me see. Oh, oh, there we go. Thank you a roar leave lower lead did exactly what I was about to do That make you show up that makes it easy All right It still says I do not have Permission. Oh, there it is There we go I've just given you permission to speak. Thank you so much I am speaking. I have gotten my voice. So Uh, is it redundant for me to be in the chat room and discord or is it um, no most people are in both Okay, uh, because the chat room is open season anybody can show up there So a lot of people still like to hang out in there and just have the the wild chat whereas the discord is actually more It's busier when we're off the air So when we're doing the private recording that only the discord people can hear and then throughout the day If you just want to pop in and talk to people and say, hey, I got this new thing. Check it out Okay, I have it. I I am I am you're on my desktop. I will keep okay Orally says there's a lot of chatting going on here during the show. You're not wrong or orally But there's way more going on in the IRC There's more happening at discord than there was that's true I don't look at either but I I do like to check every once in a while So I don't know if it was redundant, but uh, I will I will I will figure this out You know, hey, do you still play hearthstone? Yes, yeah, so the IRC is like wild And and discord's like ranked Okay. All right. Gotcha. Gotcha. Interesting. Good It's nice analogy there at home. Thank you Yeah, and they have an iPad app. I would see this and see the chat rooms telling me Really? Well, I don't know why it was so hard for me to find that on discord. I mean, I'd see ios downloads But I'll check it out. It's the same app. You just install the ios. It's just a universal. Yeah, it's a universal It's funny because uh, uh, I I didn't know what discord was but I knew my son was on it So now when I I see like his computer, I see what he's doing So I'll have to find him and put him on there. Hey, roger The posts shows you are in it. Is it okay? Please take it away. You can kick me out. I'm sorry. I figured I just want to make sure Yep, you should be it. I'm in All right All right, well, I'm gonna go play with this and see what I can find out Uh, I wasn't able to put the title in earlier. What did we end up with two factor boogie two? Factor boogie so good Do you remember that song no boogie. Oh my gosh, it sounds uh Profound it's so bad boogie. Yeah. Yeah No, let's do the beach boogie. Yeah. Yeah. Do the beach boogie. Yeah, yeah Search beach boogie on youtube and you'll see like a middle-aged man Without who I am assuming his his kids dancing the beach boogie It goes on forever and it's the worst song, but it's all tube snake boogies easy top There's gotta be something else, uh boogie Hmm Probably in the disco era. There are a lot of boogie songs that I just don't know boogie woogers wonderland. Yeah, that's the big one We can't do it too well There's jungle boogie Two factor boogie Yeah, second factor it was then that was the pulp fiction soundtrack. That's why I know that song Yeah, yeah, right In fact, it's been a long time since I listened to that soundtrack and it's a pretty good one I wore that cassette tape out back in a minute No, I definitely had it on cd because that was like what like 94 So I was yeah, I was post cassette by then Oh, I wasn't I wasn't post cassette, uh 93 You were an early adopter. Well, then you would have had the pulp fiction cd. I had a cd player, but I I don't know. I I think for portable like I didn't have a portable cd player cds were only for home, so the first the first um like Disc man, I guess I had right the walkman disc man Um, which was you know, it was very exciting, right? Like it was like when you put it flat on You know when you're on a plane or you know sitting quietly. I was all good, but it was like Like one of the very first So you couldn't actually have it in a car because as soon as you had a bump the whole thing would skip Yeah, right But I wanted it so bad because my car only had a cassette deck in it And I thought that like if I have a cd player in my car I was really the cool person on the block But it was uh unusable and everyone was like, oh my god, sarah you to turn off your music It's horrible because we had a lot of bumps Yeah combination of bad tires and an early disc man So I my first cd player was the sony car disc man, so it was designed To withstand this shock. Yeah had a little data buffer So it would I mean like if you went over railroad tracks, it would skip, but if it was just normal highway driving, right? Yeah Yeah You're probably listening to paul a coal on your disc man, correct? No My first cd was cool. Is that the where of all the cowboys gone? Yes That seems like roger very roger From that time period My first cd was uh ccr's greatest hits Oh Your first cd, huh? Gosh, I wish I remember what mine was my second one was the sundaes I do I do remember when I uh It was for my birthday or something. I got my first It was like my parents got me a stereo, you know, like for your bedroom that had um, and it was a vertical you know like cd went in like this and They threw in like the pretty woman soundtrack And maybe a couple of the things that clearly my dad got like discounted somewhere Because I was like, oh, thank you Okay, now I have some cds to play with but it was like from like just like sort of obscure soundtrack So I was like, I've never even mentioned that I want a vision quest Yeah, that's that's my first cd player nice Wait, what is it? Let's see it. See wow pioneer Wow, look at that. Um, remember what 40 50 compact disc player That was the future. Is it just a single player or is it multi? Oh, yeah. No, it's just a single player I remember when I got my cd player and I was talking to my friend about the the used record stores Like would it be cool if they sold like you could watch videos off these things? Like instead of just always trying to rewind The freaking vhs tape before you returned it to the store You just like pop it on just like yeah, there you go I had one friend whose parents had a laser disc collection. Yeah, and just just Literally one time I've ever seen it it any of you know by my my friends homes growing up and we were just like It's magic It's a record player that shows movies It's amazing and it wasn't it wasn't really that good of a Picture though. It was actually it was better than me. Yes It had more lines of resolution, but it was not dvd level quality Yeah, and I'm sure their collection was actually not that big because you know, we all sort of I just I just remember those things you had to flip them to get the other half of the movie Tom what year did you get that uh cd player? Do you remember? I want to say 1986 Wow, we're heading to the curve 1986. Yeah. Yeah. That thing must have cost you like 400 bucks Might have been 87. It was a it was a christmas present I got mine in college You were ahead of the curve I think I got mine in college. It was 1989 now that I think about it My first cd might have been x tc oranges and lemons. Oh, I love that. Oh, that's a classic or sting Uh, the soul cages might have been I'm trying to think You know, I remember going with my cousin at the time he was in college And he felt a little flush with cash because he had a regular job now because he was in college And we went to I thought it was a pacific stereo It was like an audio chain before like good guys and best Good guys and uh, what's the other one? Circuit city around And we sat in the thing and the guy was The the salesman was showing us the cd player and he was putting all these discs in just sitting there It's like, okay I guess it's cool that you could jump around and there's no skipping on the The cd as opposed to a record read that Yeah, yeah, I don't think I I have the the first cd that I had I got from work because I was working at the radio station Uh, it was Jerry Harrison's rev it up That's a that's a deep cut. Tom. Yeah I don't remember the song anymore Listen, they're like a whole call for like an investigation on why cds never dropped in price. They're always like 25 bucks Like the longest yeah, there's always the call for investigation for everything It was like why why are cds? Oh, it's so expensive and then like Because they were in those tall boxes remember Yeah, but you know why they put them in those tall boxes is because all the shelves are designed for lps And they also because you don't price things based on how much they cost to make You price things on how much you can get people to pay for them and that's how much people were willing to pay for them Well, I started subscribing or I signed up with club. Was it Columbia house or whatever the record and take tape club I'm gonna get this one and they all had little holes punched in it or something. Yeah for a for a penny. Yeah Would anyone like their day to be brightened by a dog? Absolutely I'll be right back I wouldn't mind in it as well and Boyer didn't stay down here He left he went upstairs. It's like goodbye. This is not a dog and pony show tom. I'm out and I'm not a dog Well, I'm a dog, but I'm not a pony I remember my first dvd player because that was on the screensavers and I ran out and bought one I bought one of those. Oh, wow. What was the one that we were showing? That could you could that you could disable the region lock Oh Right, actually remember you buying that now. I was so excited Yeah, yeah, because didn't you you didn't have to go over to the sunset or the rich? Yeah, I went over. Oh, no, I went I had to go over to uh, look at that To buy it pick it up Hi odi It's a boxer. That's a big boxer Boxer point. He's a boxer point Come on, stay in here. Oh, you guys are getting along great People want to see pictures of odi Well, okay, I know so, you know just because I've you know, I've been trying to I mean you guys know what I've been trying to oh, yeah not get too crazy Just because I was well, I was worried that Yeah, I know maybe it wasn't the right thing and then I was like No, I got to tell the whole internet and um, so that was sort of deliberate But he really photographs well, let me tell you Yes, so they'll be coming soon enough the best thing my dog did to me this week was He was it was raining. He got scared went into my son's room I tried to pick him up like to get him out. He's kind of a 40. He's a 40 pound dog and uh, I he would not move and As I was moving I jammed my toe into the wall He hurt my toe and thank thank you dumb dog Just get out of the room Now my toe hurts, but we still love him region lots of beauties That was the best thing my dog did this week was you know, really work hard to get a distribution deal for chew hard the movie chew hard I've saw I've seen the poster for that. I'm very excited It's good buzz. There's good buzz around that project. I actually uh, you know, because I'm going through stuff to get ready for the move I found the the the tube that it came in. I was like, I don't need this anymore. It's all frames I have so much good Len Peralta art That was the other thing I when I was going through I was like, oh my gosh like just over the course of The years of doing tnt and then dts and backing jawbone radios Kickstarter. I found all the art I got from that There's so much. Yeah, I love that picture of you and norah that you drew for the Kickstarter. Yeah, that's that's on our refrigerator Yeah, and we should continue this on the audio stream. Yes, we shall we gave you a bonus odi video today But uh, right we're wrapping it up now. Thanks everybody for watching the audio folks stick around. There's more to come next