 Don't do okay. She's snoring real good now. Hey there everybody on the videos We are going to be doing the show from a different location today I'll talk about that on the main show case sounds different get my umbrella Yeah The rain wasn't coming from above though the water wasn't coming from above. We need galoshes Oh Do you guys did you guys have a sump pump? No, I don't think that up here You're talking about my place came with a sun pump. I actually bought a replacement. Yeah, there's a basement to it So there is oh Yeah, so a few places have he has a raised foundation though. He's up there in the valley Well, you know, what's funny is that although rain hard I thought it would have been harder But I guess either the hills or a lot of it got washed into the the west side and then slowly Yeah, thanks Hey, you're alive Those are alive with people fleeing the waters Echo. Oh my god. Did you just you did not do the discussion story? No, wait, I Did the one you suggested last night? Oh I'm just using that as a news hook if you read it if you read all the way through it's my my Way of going like snapchat to this today, which raises the idea of It's a segue in Exactly Segui his Segui Segui It's so gooey It's a I It's alive alive They're dumb and says I wonder how many different things I'm gonna screw up Because it's not the same setup, you know I could make a an AI FF recording at the same time of both sides if you wanted me to do that It would be a like fifth Version just but if you if it's easy go for it never hurts We'd have because we have I have an audio recording I have a second audio recording. I have the YouTube stream So Let's not That's not Yeah, that's fine Roger, do you do you still run a recording too? No, but I can well. Yeah, you don't have to I just I knew you were for a while just just to test your setup typically I Only do that if you're not around or you have a different setup just cuz Yeah, I'm always worried that it's gonna screw up hang out Thank you. This is gonna be good show I'll explain Where I'm at in a little bit, but it basically has to do with water falling from the sky and Then landing in the ground and then piling up and then coming into my basement You probably figured out The subtle hints that I was not as young as I used to be either Moving all those boxes around downstairs wore me out I love it when people refer to, you know, someone is aging. I'm pretty sure we all are Unlike some of you who are aging I'm like Benjamin Button, I suppose Or Merlin, yeah, I really like this lighting on you Tom. I'm not kidding that white background just Yeah, thanks. I mean it's a different camera, too So that probably is part of it and you know, we have a nice cloudy day So indirect it's a muted Well, it's it does like it's an even light, but it also is a high contrast Your head sticks out, but your your file size is probably nice and small Yeah, it's easy to compress. Yeah, you're gonna see this video is gonna be like a quarter the size two megabytes Except you can't reach back and grab something right? I'll try to make up like bring up a whole bunch of things that I know you would have within arms reach. Oh, right Yeah Nintendo DS Tom I have a Corbel Champagne magnet magnet Small terrarium with Harrison with Han Solo and Princess Leia in it. So I do have some fun things not a lot though All right, let's get going. Shall we? Are you ready? Yep here Where's my record button? There it is Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, January 23rd 2017. I'm Tom Merritt Veronica Belmont off on vacation She was out marching So thankfully Allison Sheridan has agreed to step in and co-host with me today. Thank you Allison for joining Well, of course always happy to be here definitely I if you if I sound a little different or for the video it definitely look a little different It's it's because we had a little bit of rain here in the Los Angeles area And we don't get a lot of rain and when the rain builds up apparently sometimes it Saturates the hillside behind your house and then goes into the basement and they have to rip up all the white carpet In case anybody hasn't been following Steve has a rain gauge It are a weather station in our backyard and we got three and a quarter inches of rain yesterday Now just to make sure that's in perspective. Los Angeles got 9.85 inches last year. Yeah Yeah, no, it's it's quite a bit Uh, so anyway, I should be back down there within a few days, you know I'll be back I'll be back down there things will probably look a little different though Because we're gonna have tile instead of rug and all my all my marks are gone So the camera is not gonna be in exactly the same place. Anyway, uh, we're gonna try that though What's that? Nothing figured it out. No, thankfully I got down. I I noticed it right as it had started So I was able to move everything off the ground and get everything out of harm's way before it really started to seep out It was lucky that I had been upstairs cleaning the kitchen It was taking the mop down to the garage and caught it right as it was starting to come in With a mop with a mop. Yeah with a mop in hand We're gonna talk about Something really interesting that allison brought up uh in an email when we were talking about the show yesterday regarding Why we say, you know, I saw it on facebook or I saw it in the paper I'm gonna let allison explain that to you in a little bit. We got some other news here though Asus launched a raspberry pi competitor called tinker board. That's t i n k e r With 4k decoding and gigabit ethernet raspberry pi is only limited to usb 2 speeds over ethernet It'll cost you 45 pounds. So it's a little more expensive than the pi I'm curious what fans of the raspberry pi think of this. Let us know feedback at dailytechnewshow.com Sprint has purchased 33 of music service title and promises sprint customers will get access to exclusive music as a result Now here are some more top stories All right, the big one samsung announced its findings regarding what caused the two recalls of the note 7 if you remember There was a recall because some notes were Exploding they weren't like they could totally incendiary, but they were catching fire and smoking and it's not good And they thought they figured it out. It was one battery supplier. They said it's fixed But then more note 7s started to catch fire and they just ended the line Here's what they found the first issue the reason they thought they fixed it when they recalled the batteries the first time Was that those batteries from that one supplier had a design flaw That caused the electrodes in one corner to bend towards each other And the negative electrode was around the curve a little too much It was supposed to stop before the curve to prevent even bending from causing a problem That caused the positive electrode and the negative electrode to come into contact That caused a short and caused the batteries to ignite Now samsung stopped using those batteries ordered another supplier to increase the number of their batteries made for the note 7 That's when they thought they had fixed it the first time However, in a rush to supply replacement batteries The second battery suffered from welding burrs on the positive electrode So little bumps on the electrode. It wasn't properly smooth That would penetrate the insulation touch the negative electrode and cause a short, you know the rest In addition, some of those batteries also did not have sufficient insulation Which they think was also a quality control program third party firms ul exponent and tuv ryanland Those are three different firms ul exponent tuv ryanland have validated the findings and samsung said is added several steps to its testing processes For batteries and is forming a battery advisory board now We have another little piece of adjunct information about when we can expect new samsung phones, but allison. How does that all Play out for you. How does that sound? Well, after this happened. I did a post on explaining what root cause analysis is It's a it's a very fundamental thing that you do is before you make more You go figure out what the root cause is and I understand that that they did find the root cause of the first one but And this does make me feel better clearly they understand what went wrong and Hopefully I don't have a lot of confidence in samsung because I've had Issues with them being not very credible and and how well they track down errors, but they They obviously understand now why both of them failed and they're putting into place things that would stop this from happening in the future but It just fundamentally bothers me that they didn't do the full root cause analysis the first time and it makes me wonder What did their what did their design specs say did it say? 3200 milliamp hours check You put more into it than that. I'm sure they did but yeah Like where where was where was the problem that allowed these bent batteries from sdi To show up in the supply chain now as to root cause analysis that's an interesting question because And and I'd be curious if somebody digs into this whether they can verify this What samsung is describing is that they did find the root cause and then introduced a new problem So so the batteries from the third party so from the other supplier were fine Until they put the rush order in and then that manufacturer changed how they made the batteries to increase the supply Which introduced the burrs which introduced a new problem. I don't know that we knew that they were fine beforehand We know that they were bad after they rushed them But we don't know for a fact that I've read anyway that they were fine before they started rushing them Rushing them obviously didn't help But usually when you when you give a spec to a supplier you include tolerances And part of what they showed as you as you mentioned was the the negative electrode lead went up into the curve Which allowed it to to reach over and short with the with the positive electrode And you you put in you you put into the spec. This is what the tolerances are There's drawings and they say plus or minus so many mills. They say these things. You don't just say 3200 milliamp hours or whatever well, and even if they did say that At least one or two of these should have been caught in quality control, right? Yeah, and I'm not sure they were necessarily doing that or I mean you can't You can't in the middle of the the assembly line just take one and saw it in half, you know to see whether they did this Wrong, uh, so this is a complex problem. I feel better. I definitely feel better It makes me feel better that they found two different root causes that that shows they really did dig in I think they really did their work and hopefully samsung has learned its lesson and maybe maybe other manufacturers have as well Yeah, now samsung has said that they are going to continue both the galaxy s and the galaxy note family of smartphones They're not going to back away from that name There will be a note of some kind it may not be the note eight Maybe they'll change how they name them to try to distance themselves a little bit But they also said in fact samsung mobile chief kodong jin said the next samsung galaxy s smartphone Will not be introduced at mobile world congress. So that implies that for whatever reason, they're taking extra time before they introduce The next samsung galaxy s phone Yeah, I guess that's good That that's bold of them to stick with it But considering the fact that people seem to be really Wishing they could still hold on to these that's uh, that's kind of good I guess if it sounds like that'll that'll help them. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't sound anything like seven Well, I've been curious. I'm curious if they say note eight or if it's the the note rejuvenate Or some other weird change to to to sort of just say, you know, we're not even going to go in in the number lines Now with less exploity bits, right? Well in other news the us securities and exchange commission is investigating yahu's data breaches to determine If they should have reported to investors sooner yahu disclosed a 2014 breach in september of 2016 Yes, two years later and one from august 2013. It's december 2016. So This is sort of in the obvious category. It seems to me that if it uh, You know, you waited three years to tell your investors about a breach Well, what yeah, what what yahu is saying is we told them once we had discovered and verified the breach And what the sec is looking into is really It took you that long like they're asking the same question You are which is why didn't you know this earlier if you had such a breach? I'll be honest yahu doesn't have the greatest track record in transparency So it's a fair thing to investigate on the other hand It's not unusual for a company to have a large breach like this and not be able to detect it right away There there are certain attacks that are difficult to to detect Yeah, my understanding was the second one they didn't find out until Law enforcement came to them and said someone's claiming. This is your data. Is it and they were like, wow So that one. Okay. They were they were just You know not detecting it which you could apply all kinds of nefarious or or In competency things to that but the first one I thought they did know for a fair length of time before they disclosed it That was the one. I think they're probably going to be more trouble on Yeah, and and my guess is it will be easier for them in in Proving what I was just saying it's going to be easier for them to defend the one that was farther in the past Because of the way it was brought to their attention Unless the sec is able to find somebody to say no, I I discovered this and told them and they told me to ignore it A long time ago, which you know it's possible, but it's not necessarily likely The other one is the one that we saw their their chief security officer resign over how they They handled a request to deliver some information to the government over And this could start to bring that back up as well Yeah Yes Google released updated versions of google voice for android with an updated version of google Voice for ios to follow in a couple of days with the web updating along with whatever app you use So once you've updated your app your web experience will follow along you get a material design refresh There are now tabs for text messages calls and voicemail photo mms is supported on most carriers now That was a big hang up for people group texting is available in the voice app rather than needing to go to the hangouts app You can still use the hangouts app if you've migrated your google voice over there But google hopes you'll at least try out the voice app and voicemail transcriptions are now available in spanish Google says customers should expect regular updates and new features So this is google going out of their way to say i know you all think we just abandon things, but really really really I I we are going to keep making versions of this product. So please try it You know, I I was going to confess and now I definitely will confess I I'm so frustrated right now with google coming up with really cool ideas and they're going Oh, look new shiny toy and running off and going and doing something else that I honestly Can't tell you what google voice is anymore because I've heard so many Different words that they've used to say. Oh, no, this is our messaging service No, this one wait alo and you know all these different things they keep doing Which one is google voice again google voice is actually fairly close to what it was Which is a way to take phone calls and do text messaging on any phone So as long as you can install google voice or do it on the web You can have a phone number that takes all your calls. You can you can have calls from one number routed to your google voice number It's really functionally At base not much different than the google voice you knew when it launched oh so many years ago They abandoned that that they took everyone did because they were moving features of it over to hangouts But they never actually did abandon it They just started they they have now started going back to it as they've started to move things out of hangouts And out of google plus which google plus they just You know gave a face face a face a makeover to a face make a makeover to The other day so I think they're trying to salvage The things from google plus that were good like events and things like that so that they could make something out of that I feel like google as a company is turning a corner where they're saying Okay, for a long time we just threw spaghetti against the wall and everything was in beta for a long time And that was a joke then for a long time Larry said we need to focus and we killed a bunch of things and abandoned things and and made everybody angry when we got rid Of google reader and that was the joke is google just kills things now They don't stick with things I feel like now they finally got to the point of really what we were doing was we have been doing too much We were trying to figure out what we should do and now we're starting to commit to the things that we've decided to stick with I hope so until until they change their mind again, right? Well, and that's true of any company, right? But it it does feel like if larry page had said look we need to focus We need to cut out a lot of things that that don't make sense You're going to have a lot of things that some people love get killed in that process And and then it's going to be a while before you finally say okay now we've got down to the things we should focus on Let's start focusing on them. Yeah, it would be nice to know which ones to to You know hang your hat on to say place your faith in yeah feed burner I mean if you look at a company like microsoft they they might do something stupid But man, they are going to grind away at that thing until it's not stupid. That is what they do, right? They stick with things forever. Well for the most part. Yeah, I could think of a few exceptions But but it is more the typical microsoft thing is to just like no, we're still making zunes We're not gonna stop making zunes Okay, I think clippy is probably still around Someday Well, yeah, we always hear reports of clippy's return. You're right All right. Well google announced that all chromebooks launched in 2017 will support android apps So far the acer chromebook r11 a seuss chromebook flip and chrome Google chromebook pixel are the only chromebooks that support android apps Google also says that around half of the chromebooks released in the past two years Will be compatible with android apps in the future. This is almost an extension of our previous conversation here Yeah, well, how can they say that all chromebooks will support android apps? They don't control all chromebooks No, but they control the operating system and and I think what they're saying is we've worked with our partners to make sure that they have The proper hardware to be able to run the software that we're going to put in chrome os that will allow android apps to be supported But somebody could still make a stupid chromebook that didn't do it, right? I don't follow whatever they said. I mean, I mean, I think yeah, I I suppose what they're saying is We don't foresee any of our partners doing something that Why would that but but if they're also saying it's retroactive That's even more confusing because they're saying this is this is no different than the the forward-looking part of this Is no different than microsoft saying hey all all windows Installations will be able to do this or that in the future because they assume that most people are going to install it Because that's just part of how windows works the part in the past Feels more like them looking back and saying we're still trying to figure out which of these older models can actually support The the the software that we want to put on here Like I said, I don't know enough about what would make something actually I don't know anything about what would make the hardware support or not support android apps that seems kind of I think maybe one of the easier ways to think about it is think about emulation Right you could emulate windows in parallels or vmware on an os 10 machine But there's a point where an older machine Just doesn't have enough power to do that Yeah, and so I'm not I know that these android apps aren't exactly emulation But there is there's some things going on under the hood That require the processors to work in a certain way okay In a facebook post xiaomi vice president of international hugo bara announced He's leaving the company and plans to return to silicon valley in party says due to health reasons and Wanting to get back to where his friends are bara joined xiaomi in 2013 to help the company expand its reach beyond china Previously bara had been vice president of android product management at google He'll be succeeded by xiaomi's senior vice president xiang wang wang joined xiaomi in 2015 from qualcomm china He spent 15 years at qualcomm china and has led xiaomi's supply chain and intellectual property teams Up until now so a couple different interesting aspects of this one is a long time supply chain vet now becoming the international face Of and and a chinese person becoming an international face here and hugo bara of google heading back to silicon valley Does he go back to google or does he go into the startup world or does he really just take a break? Hmm i'm gonna go with uh uber I'm gonna go with some kind of uber for something It could be uber for uber that way you win that one too Uh, it would it would be a coup for google to get him back don't you think? Yeah, yeah, definitely and imagine what he's learned About both sides Pretty interesting Well foxconn chairman terry gao said sunday, uh foxconn is considering investing seven billion dollars in a display making plant To be located in the united states foxconn also announced an undisclosed investment in chinese bike sharing startup mo bike foxconn will help with the manufacturing in order to double annual production So wait a minute foxconn is going to have stuff manufactured here Yeah, foxconn's building in india foxconn's building in brazil And thanks to the encouragement of soft banks masayoshi sun. They are considering building a plant in the united states so uh the the formerly known hanhai precision Is definitely trying to become a worldwide company and and Investing in things like bike sharing startup mo bike is another aspect of that saying hey, you know We have we have capacity to get involved in In these and in china these bike sharing apps Are very competitive to get involved in a very competitive space and hopefully win They're also working on creating handsets under their own design Rather than just taking orders like they do for the iphone. So I think foxcon Is something everybody associates which with assembling Parts is something to pay attention to because i'm not sure what they're going to end up doing But they are obviously trying to become a more evolved kind of company Yeah, I i'm intrigued by that angle, but just the idea of foxconn manufacturing here just I mean that just blows the top of my head off. I just have trouble assembling that of how would that happen You need foxconn to assemble that idea for you. Yeah Yeah, I just wow that's that's pretty amazing. Well, that's cool Yeah, and it's a yeah jobs here and and why don't you maybe robots here? It will be interesting to see Uh What they get for their seven billion dollars? Um And i'm sure they one of the things that gao said was it depends on Certain agreements with the government. So they're looking for tax breaks. They're looking for incentives. Sure. And now it might be something that Making certain components you're better off if you can build them where you're going to deliver them Or where the raw materials are for them that can make it a lot cheaper from a from a supply chain perspective I don't know what goes into making displays that would make them cheaper to do here Yeah, or phones or anything But but that goes along with the fact that they are widening the kinds of businesses they want to be involved in Yeah, I wonder how big a displays they mean. Do they mean it's a it's a time In a display making plant in the united states. Yeah, so it could be all kinds of Of displays it could be televisions could be phones Could be if it's tv's that you don't want to move them later. Yeah, it could be some shipping savings Well, sorry. I was going to jump in. Yeah, roger typically What like soft korean and japanese manufacturers do is they make just a large sheet of glass And then they cut down to order to what they need and certain of course certain sizes and certain Um aspect ratios work better on how you can cookie cutter like oh we can get three You know 40 inch 42 inch tv panels out of this we can get 27 phones out of this, you know and so it really depends on the kind of Quality quality they can produce as well as like of course What alison was alluding to is like what kind of value how much how much money they can invest And how much of a product they they can come out with that they can sell it at a for-profit rate Is is there any advantage to an international company fox conza taiwanese company Is there any advantage to making something in the us as far as getting government contracts? That they wouldn't be able to do they were making it overseas um, I cannot From a business perspective I would say that's a watch I would say maybe politically it might be different But they're still headquartered overseas. So yeah, yeah, and and You can't have foreign nationals working in a in the area where something's being built if that's going to be a government contract there within the government you also have to have if you've got a contract with a Portion of the government and then you have a supplier that has foreign owned There is all kinds of stuff you have to go through to be allowed to use that supplier Um, that that's a that's a lot of paperwork and you try really not to have to do that one And well, what's interesting is typically before this foreign companies would just do the quickest route Which is buy a u.s. Company. I mean that's what a british aerospace that they bought united technologies Which already was a conglomeration of multiple domestic military, you know arms manufacturers And so it's like well look now. We're you know 45 48 percent american. So now we can bid on all these contracts that used to be Uh, no go for them because they were considered a foreign entity. That also doesn't always help There's uh, there's a thing called the done in brad street listing for every company And there's a section in there called the global ultimate owner And that global ultimate owner at least with software. I know if that is a foreign country Is in a foreign country that global ultimate owner You have to do the paperwork and I submitted some in, um, 1994 and i'm still waiting to hear back with the We moved on needless to say so whoever took over your job might hear no one Yeah, someday someday All right to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes You can subscribe and please do to daily tech headlines dot com Now snapchat updated its publisher guidelines monday restricting publishers from posting pictures on its Discover section. Uh, that's the section that publishers make specifically. It's not just general snaps Uh, if a person was using a picture that didn't have to do with the underlying story That's not allowed anymore. You can't put up a woman in a bikini for a story about a guy in russia You know being getting hyperthermia, which is almost a real example there Uh, they also prohibit linking out to other websites if the content they're linking to is not fact-checked and accurate Snapchat said it also plans to give publishers a tool in february to age gate content So if content isn't appropriate for those under 17, they can they can stop that from happening I'm not sure exactly how they do that But you know, there's all kinds of ways you you just ask people to be honest, I suppose This follows the call for facebook and others to do something about the reliability and credibility Of sources shared on the platforms, which leads us to that thing I was mentioning earlier that allison has been thinking about allison Tell me tell me again What you were noticing when people talk about where they found out things Well, I was the first place I actually noticed this was people would say I read on medium And I found that really interesting because medium is is has somehow Organically become a site that is for thought pieces You don't put your post about the latest iphone release, you know But you put a thought piece about what you think about the iphone or about global issues It's it's a thought place. So when you say I read it on medium That's just sort of like wow that was that must have been deep whatever you were reading. It was on medium Well, I need to set aside time. It was on medium. Yeah, I got to think about that, you know But then I and so I started thinking about had I ever heard that before And it used to be I read it on the internet But we don't say that anymore But I I was listening to someone talking about politics in the gym the other day and the woman said Oh, they were talking about how you can get involved and be an activist and that kind of thing And when I said, oh really you got a good list. Where where can I find that? She said on facebook Well, okay, that's weird, you know that you just said the internet basically there and then you know, we used to say I read it in the paper I don't remember that we said it was in the la times, but maybe if you said I read it in the wall street journal again Oh, wow, that's probably a real source, right I think sometimes people said I saw it in the post but more often you're right They would just say I saw it in the paper in the paper But even if you look at like I told my daughter how to Rotate a photo using iMovie on the iphone and I wrote to her and I said I googled it or I found it on google You know, I didn't say I searched it. I said I googled it sure and even as I was doing it I was thinking about the same context. Why are we saying where we found it? Are we doing that because we're trying to add credibility to what we're saying? I think it's partly informational of oh, this this is the the place that I found it and And we were talking in the analyst slack a little bit earlier today about The difference between saying I saw it in the paper or I heard it on the news Back in the days when cities would have one maybe two Newspapers so if you said I saw it in the paper everybody knew what you were talking about right right most people didn't read the wall street journal And even fewer people were able to get papers from outside of town or the new york times So when you said I saw it in the paper everyone assumed well He would have said the journal if he meant the journal so it must be Whatever your local paper was if you say I saw it on the news Maybe you wouldn't specify the channel, but you'd know well. It was one of three Channels that do local news right so I know it's one of those three whereas today We have a such a much wider variety of sources. You'd think we'd be more specific But instead what you're noticing and I've noticed it too Is we we just mentioned the platform because that's simpler And and it goes back to that same principle with the news like when I said I saw it in the paper I knew we all knew which paper it was in st. Louis. It was the post When I say I I I googled it everybody knows. Oh, she did a search right? It's just a shortcut way of saying it I when I say oh, it's on facebook and everybody goes. Oh, okay. I know how to use facebook I know what that is But for some reason I get mocked for saying I heard it on the news Because these young kids today are gonna say, uh, oh, so what are you 90? You know news Right or yeah, what do you mean? You heard it? You you were watching television like through a cable What are you a caveman? So and yet saying I saw it on facebook did not make anyone in the room say well, that was an idiotic answer Right because From whom on facebook where on facebook who how old was the article who wrote it? What's the veracity etc and the same thing goes for medium I mean it has a reputation for these long think pieces because some really good thinkers post on there But just saying you saw it on medium doesn't Automatically make it A thoughtful post it has to do with who actually wrote it And it could be thoughtful and wrong. Yeah, absolutely And yet look listen to what we said in the in the article about Xiaomi vp Hugo Barra We said in a facebook post. He wrote it. Why was that important? Why was I mean that is actually kind of interesting that that's how he announced it That could be a news angle in and of itself that he didn't announce it on twitter He announced it on on facebook, but it just I still you know, I saw this thing on twitter I saw this thing on facebook, you know, right? We constantly say it as though the context has some meaning and I don't know that it does Well, and I would say in the hugo bar example what I try to do and what I try to get rich straffolino Who writes for daily tech headlines to do and and anybody who writes for the show is say Try try to be honest about where it came from if hugo barra set it to a room full of reporters You can just say hugo barra set if you'll go barra posted it Then it is interesting to know where so if people like oh, I want to go find that now They know I'll look up hugo barra on facebook and find it If he said it on google plus or if he said it on twitter, etc So it's in that respect. I think it's it's necessary. It's it's helpful To say this person said it in this way Versus hugo barra told the verge right in which case it's like oh, okay If he wrote it on facebook I can go look at it myself and I know that that's a real thing that he wrote If it's hugo barra told the verge then I have to do some trusting and say I've got to trust that the verge isn't lying that they're quoting him properly And I and I have questions. Why didn't he tell anyone else yet? But that also that that highlights something that I do like is when you say it's on the verge You've you've got some idea in your own head already of whether you trust the verbs point of view Whether whether they've been giving you good facts So when we were I knew we were going to talk about the samsung thing and the batteries and I So I just did a search samsung batteries fire and you know news last 24 hours And it was all these sites that it's like well, you know nbc. That's adorable. No, I'm going to skip I went down until I got to one that I thought might have some actual engineering information in it That wasn't going to be just a fluff piece about it regurgitating what the with the ap god or whatever And and so to me to say on tech crunch they reported. Well, that means something It might mean something good. It might mean something bad, but but it means something but I read it on facebook means nothing. Yeah, I think it makes a big difference It's one thing if if like in the samsung case, I think it's a good example I can I feel fine saying samsung announced yesterday The causes of their fire because they announced it publicly in a live stream that everyone could watch And so the facts of what they announced aren't going to be dependent on the source where if you're reading it on tech crunch Or recode or whatever. However, if I'm talking about something that is sort of a discovery like hey There was an sec filing that people didn't notice and ours technica dug it up That that sort of informs me of like, okay This is this is a site that does that I've heard them doing that before if I say it's digitimes that dug it up It makes me want to go find the sec post because digitimes has a reputation for sometimes fudging things and exaggerating things I don't think they outlive why but yeah, yeah, you take that into account But if you had said it was on medium, that doesn't mean anything. No, you're right They're just extra words that don't add value But but it does tell you something And and that something is this is a person who wants to present themselves in a certain way They want to present themselves as a serious thinker I guess but if I had said tom merit wrote on medium That would add credibility to what I said or not depending on your opinion of tom merit and his point of view But just saying medium is just it just seems like such a funny Thing that's just become part of our lingua franca to say these words that don't add anything No, it's the same as with the hugo bar thing saying tom merit wrote it on medium To me is saying this person wrote something and if you know that person you might or might not be interested in it And if you want to find it, this is where he wrote it versus just saying I saw on medium Is sort of saying I saw a lengthy think piece Because that's the kind of thing that's there Right, right. It's sort of like I'll meet you in los angeles Which is fine if you're if you're trying to plan flights, right? But then once you get to los angeles, you kind of need a little more detail a little bit I mean, I know not, uh, you know, bring a jacket for the evenings because it can get chilly That's all I really know right and occasionally it rains but not very often My main goal was to make this bother everyone as they think about it now every time you hear somebody say it It's just going to irritate you as much as it does me well and and also To pay attention when someone says oh, I saw it on facebook To respond. Oh, who who posted it? You know to to seek that extra information unless unless you're not wanting to get involved in the conversation Which is perfectly fair But if you are interested like try to find out a little more Because that's going to be telling too if the person's like oh was a post from allison charidan Then you're like, okay, they they they were paying attention They know who wrote it and it's a person I'm familiar with versus. Oh, I don't know That's going to tell you a lot right there. Well, another thing that you bring up a good point There another thing that is happening. I think is It used to be if you saw an image It would it would have something in it saying who who posted that image And you know people would watermark it or whatever or it would be a link I was really careful that always linked back to who spent the time to create this piece of artwork Or you know, this meme even of who who's cleverness wrote this thing This would be good But now it's just like and no that was a funny picture I'm going to post it again and post it again And so when you say I saw it on facebook, it literally isn't from anybody. Sure. Allison really good to it But it's it's nobody's it's everybody's now and you know, you know that It could it could be that you know and you say who you saw it from but they're not the originator of the content Right. Allison posted this hilarious thing and if you look it was the 450 Millionth share because it was a funny picture. Yeah. Yeah These are all I'm not saying we even have answers to all these questions But these are great questions. I love thinking about this stuff because to me, this is this is a very important Way that we need to learn how to consume This new world and another point that we were bringing up in the slack is back in the day It was easier to be fooled in some ways because you only had three channels three networks, you know and one newspaper So you might be less trustful of things because you're like, what are they leaving out? That can't be the whole story And then if you were finding extra information It was usually from a friend maybe at the grocery store or you're standing around in the park And you have no way to check if your friend is getting inaccurate information, right? You're just having a conversation Today we have two problems that make it different and more complex Which is you have millions of sources. You can't say well, it was the evening news I know there's a certain level of credibility there because it could be a perfectly worthwhile source That's brand new and you just hadn't heard about it or it could be a totally fly-by-night source that is not credible But you can check So when you hear these things on facebook, which is the equivalent of standing around in the grocery store talking in the park You can go find out And so it's both better and worse But I thought the way we find out whether it's true or our fact checking is whether what you said agrees with what I already Thought that's actually right. Yeah, that's actually how most people do it And that's to me that is the secret of all of this controversy over hoaxes and things like that is People didn't necessarily so much Get fooled As just sought out something that reflected what they wanted to believe already And I like the dialogue that's going on. It's kind of uh dangerous because it can go one of two ways Either it can make us be more careful and making sure and I'm doing this where I read something I'm going oh, I'm gonna oh, wait a minute. Hmm. Where's that from? Where did that where do I know that from? Let me check that But there's also the other half is is it's easy to convince everybody to doubt everything so that nobody believes anybody Right, which it's gonna go is always a fear Uh, it's it's a you know, it's a rhetorical device in an argument To say well, then you don't trust anything but in practice. We usually come to a an agreement eventually Sometimes it's harder than others about like oh, this is the level of confidence. We need to reach Yeah And I also just wanted to quickly mention an old project It's unfortunately not around anymore, but Troy found it on neo4j.com called back story It's really interesting and I kind of wish someone would come up with a version of this again They would take hundreds of news sources pull in news stories and then try to connect them to each other So you could follow the actual events being described In the story And you can see how old it is because it's talking about John Kerry and France and you know, it's a couple years old I think it ended in 2015 November 16 2015 But it was a great way to like track through and then you could you could also go in and find particular sources But it would find the commonalities Amongst various sources and say well, these are how these these particular people and events are connected Oh, I would have loved that so many times I feel like I came in in the middle of the plot and I don't know where How did we get to where we are and so I can't take that information makes sense out of it really great for context Yeah, well, thanks to everybody who participates in our show whether it's in slack or in chat while we're live Or in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Real quickly want to jump across the pond to Nate Langston in the uk and find out what he's talking about on the text message podcast this week Cheers tom now I won't deny it's been a bit of a slow news week this side of the pond in terms of tech But one thing we couldn't escape is apple's 25 percent price hike to uk app store prices We've taken a look at what that means for british apple customers We've also learned this week about what our government is planning to do with voice recognition I'll just leave that little tease just hanging there within arms reach But the latest show with the answers is out now at tech podcast dot uk Whoa that price increased man. Thank you, Nate. Uh tech podcast dot uk no co in there I always want to try to put a co because i'm old-fashioned Just tech podcast co is gone It's not gone, but you don't have to use it like you used to That's gonna mess with me back at my day I don't like change We got an email here from scott at patreon. Uh, I think he means because he supports us on patreon Thank you scott. Uh wanted to weigh in on the app permissions discussion from thursday and friday last week He said i've noticed this problem, especially while using my xbox one since they switched to the universal windows platform There is info, but little to no control as how to prevent overreaching app permissions on my console Programs like npr one Via the xbox asks to access your profile contacts location, etc But when you see the permissions on the microsoft store link It only says use your location access your internet connection And act as a server cbs all access is another one that request your profile contacts, etc And android asks for a lot more other publishers such as enigma Which have about a dozen apps to watch free online tv shows seem to ask for everything under the sun And the list is too long, but just imagine that wanting every permission it could think of scott says the only control i seem to have is to not install these apps But it would be nice for a greater option to deselect permissions and take a loss Uh and take a loss of some of the features held within So i would be remiss in my ever so slight macadash bias if i didn't point out I was thinking about this when you're talking about on thursday and friday as well on ios You get asked as it requires it So an app can say when you first install it it's let's say the the metoo app was the context It said and i did install it. I took it off immediately after messing around with it. Didn't you You're a braver person than i am. Alison charity So i put it on there and it said, uh, hey, can i have access to your camera? Well, that seems like a reasonable request right because it needs my camera because it's a camera Okay, so i hit that and then i wanted to save it and it said, uh, it said can i have access to your photos? I said yes, then it said, hey, can i have access to your contacts? No, you can't But and that is a difference between the way andre does it in the way ios does it is is apps ask for all the permissions They might need up front, but ios they ask as they need it So exactly what um what he's asking for is he's allowed to pick those Pick and choose which permissions and it's not an all or nothing like the apple work a lot of And what and what he's mostly complaining about is he's like great android does it one way ios doesn't another Xbox isn't doing it at all and he would like it to do that Okay, yeah, there you go. Definitely. It was funny that me too didn't even work Once i got into that grief. Anyway, it just like spun just yeah, it just didn't yeah Well, not surprised Uh dwayne in germany writes in to point out that while microsoft is not participating in the same program as amazon for transitioning vets into developer jobs That was the internship we program we mentioned last week He says microsoft has a pretty big program of its own that transitions retiring military to it program I believe there are now up to six bases where this transition happens I think it has been going since 2013 and one i will be using myself. Hey, congrats, dwayne. That's really cool Yeah, so it's a different kind of program where amazon's Make gives you an internship and you come to seattle. This one sounds like it works on the on the actual bases As as you're transitioning out, which is great quietly doing the right thing without uh making i mean they're getting the advantage microsoft wins Yeah, well done. Thank you dwayne for writing in and thank you. Allison for joining us a really Pleasure as always to have you along Yeah, I definitely have some fun. Hey, uh, what steve and i were working on lately is we just went to see us And instead of doing this big blast and trying to be first to get out interviews and that kind of thing We sprinkled them out over quite a long length of time So we're doing we have four video interviews a week that are going up over on pod feet dot com And I like to do some of the littler weirder squirrelier things that I I don't do the you know Ford announced kind of things, you know, I don't do big display manufacturers We do smaller ones, but uh like the one that we uh just did Just in the last couple of days is willow. It's a it's a portable breast pump That allows a woman to breastfeed while she's walking around and doing other things If that isn't different than what most people are reporting. I don't know what but it was it was a really It was very hard for me to do that was difficult to keep a straight face, but it's it's a pretty cool product So anyway, that's all over at pod feet dot com and steve has done all of the work I am simply the on-air talent. So I've been nice. You're a good team Go check it out folks pod feet dot com Uh, thank you to everyone who supports the show at daily tech news show dot com slash support including ed hackney Krypto maker and Eugene cheng and special thanks to andrius ekberg and scott who both just raised their amounts Thanks, you guys at patreon.com slash dts Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern at alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv And our website is daily tech news show dot com. We'll be back tomorrow with patrick majah talk to you then Who is part of the frog pants network? Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover Boom good show Yay Thank you, allison Thank you. This was fun. Um, I wanted to to read you something I I think i'm getting a halo effect from dtns that i'm really enjoying a woman named april mendiz on in the smr podcast Facebook group said I'm sure that most people in this group like me are firmly entrenched in the no silicast smr dtns ecosystem And then she went on to say nice things about about my show over on the smr podcast But I thought was kind of neat to for the three of us to be lumped together that reminds me we need to Get chris back on. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I like being part of that of that nexus. That's cool Yeah, yeah, it was pretty fun. Well, I hate to jam like this, but I do have to go jam I gotta help spend somebody else's money. No worries. Go enjoy. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks. Bye. Bye allison All right now time for the real work tom Titles, yeah, let's go titles So Leaving the pack is a medium level of credibility, which I thought was very clever Get a medium level. Uh, I saw it on the facebook. Um, you know, that's That's a phrase I've heard more often than not. Yep easily. Uh, take note for future releases Yeah, it might be a little It might be a little too obscure. Uh, voice gets a facelift Yeah, I'm going with the new bird Fox kind of is building in all the places Yeah medium is the message the media get it. That's a really good one. That's a good one very marshal mclue and I like it Uh, pay attention to the medium a medium for a new world That's it. That's pretty good too. Um Google voice makes the cut for now Keep it. Uh, I'll meet you. I'll meet you in LA Oh, I like when you served medium That's the other medium. How would you like your news medium? Showbot.chat realm.net a medium level of credibility is pretty good. I like that. That's a really good one I vote for that one. All right and a haircut for me eventually save and a haircut two bits Like why would you pay someone to shave you does I mean you're gonna have to shave it within two days anyway? Like is there something I guess if you have a clean close shave that only a barber can deliver and it takes longer you don't have to go as As long you don't have to shave as soon Is that is that not how it works? All right, I guess maybe like partially is like my facial hair grows at a very glacial Pays so if I use an electric razor, I don't have to shave for three days Roughly, I mean I'll get I'll get a five o'clock shadow by like the third day That's why you don't see me as a bearded fellow anytime soon I like a medium level of credibility and I think so does the voting audience Well then That's what we shall do Almost put the wrong track almost put thursday's track in somehow. I don't even know how that would happen So It ended up being a meaty show It was Glad we started early Actually, I liked the earlier start time you do I do but I also know that it cuts into what might be juicy time release You know honestly and this is a discussion for another day, but It mostly cuts into earnings reports The the press release Timeline is usually by 11 pacific Um, all right medium level of credibility. I'm to that point by the way cool putting it in Pull to the team pull to the team Poutine in yeah, I was watching SNL on hulu Uh, last night during during the show. Oh, okay last night. No. Well. Oh, yeah, I totally catch up on All right No, I've had What's his name as he's in sorry. Yeah. Yeah, I always need to do his name backward That was a good shoot It's funny because I never really I don't watch parks and reg and so I don't really know Him other than from his stand-up things on Netflix or that? Oh, yeah, so I've uh, I've seen master of none, but I've never seen his uh his stand-up stuff. Is it good? Um, it's good. It's to be honest is very predictable for me like part of it is that A lot of comics Are all over the place, but because of the the nature of the way they they do their performance A lot of the jokes come back and so if you've seen one we're seeing them in other places that kind of comes back So It's uh, it was I mean it was good. He they did a really funny one and I thought it was super funny Well, it's a good thing because it is a kind of they did one on basically uber trying to get like a good uber Score. Oh, yeah. No, I saw that the it was sort of like a black mirror takeoff Yeah, even reference black mirror at the end and I thought I thought it was super funny I make five stars Like maybe I'll ask him a question This is so funny Because that's in many ways. It's kind of how it like What? I'll ask him something the funny the funny one. I think the funniest one for me was I'll ask him something that I know Nobody else asked him. So you've been driving uber for long But so it's there's a joke Well back on cover help anytime we talk to a caller into the show Is that the number one question we always ask him how's the weather? Oh, yeah, how's the universal question? Yeah, but it's you know, it's like that's like wow, man We guys we've got to come up with some other things we can ask them about Is it raining there? I didn't I did miss uh Emerald city. I'll have to catch up on that I watched a lot of star trek voyager this weekend. Oh, was it one of those because of the flood? No, it was actually before the flood um on saturday. Eileen was out of town I just sort of found myself Binging is that your comfort show kind of is these days. Yeah Because like it's you know, like how people go to comfort food. Yeah I go to comfort gaming and I play video games because it's it's good enough that I don't roll my eyes But it's not so I have seen it before and it's not so complex that I I can't like You know drift away and do something else or whatever You know what i'm saying? Yeah Say hello to uncle though Oh, hi ellie. Where are you? Oh wait, wait. Oh, there you are. There's ellie The whole family is there You're gonna be older at the end of this week. I mean you already are older right now Bye-bye She wants to come back You gave her a taste of the camera roger and give her a taste of disneyland. She'll never leave Oh, no, what if she doesn't? Oh man, it's gonna be tough. I might lead her out with a churro. You'll have to help me Okay, here's a churro You know what I'm surprised at how well star trek Not so much next generation next generation really feels dated but voyager doesn't Aged pretty well like I can watch it and say yeah, you know, I mean I'm not sure it's a little bit 90s The ones that I was watching this week were the 99 episodes though. So they aren't quite as well Tom Pearce Exudes 90s like just something about him and his haircut um Like uh an enterprise to enterprises more recent. That's why but um Yeah ages pretty well actually the the original series ages pretty well too if you just Well, yeah, if you once you look past Like the period specific effects and things like that the the plots age really well, I think You know, how many times did they do that to people where they split them into different entities or they melded them? Belano is split into two people. Yeah, there was the one where tuvok and Neelix or melded the one I watched one of the ones I watched this weekend was was one where uh tuvok has uh damage to his brain And loses his logic And it's and neelix is helping him out Uh because tuvok wants to have fun now and wants to do fun things and stuff like that Yeah, but like, you know, that's the thing I I wonder how they explained it because their logic is a discipline like it's something they have to teach themselves to do So he loses the ability to carry out that discipline, I suppose And then when they figure out a cure he you know, it's it's the classic it's like with tuvix Uh, it's like do is do you have the right to take away this person now that they've learned who they are? Uh, what makes us a person It's true. There was also a very next-generation episode. I remember I think it was that one where there was that criminal like a murderer or whatever And somehow he was medically Surgically repaired and he could feel guilt Oh, right. Remember. Yeah. Yeah, I hated that episode when I saw it But I I kind of whether you could actually trust him anymore Yeah, but um, I kind of I mean I understood what they're getting at But sometimes I thought just some of the some of the plots were getting ahead of the character like Like I guess maybe I don't know Just put them on a penal planet or something You know, they had all of those they'll call it new australia I think something that didn't used to bother me that I started to notice more in my more recent viewings Is them saying to do something that I'm like First of all having to wait for the captain to tell you to do that is like a dangerous delay Like raise shields like shouldn't you just raise shields? Should that just be part of your training like when someone's firing on you you raise the shields? Well, and it kind of I know some of it actually comes from actual naval operations and whatever, but well, and that's typically Yeah, you know and it's it's It's weird. I mean like I don't know I mean, it's just like that the There's so many things that seem to be done Exactly in two places on the ship the bridge and the engineering section. Well, yeah That's like looking past the special effects though to be like, I know they only had so many sets What is everyone else doing? Well, that's what star trek discovery is supposed to be which is let's look at A ship from the rest of the decks. So we're going to follow a lieutenant commander around We're not going to follow the captain It does it sounds like they're having trouble with it though Because brian fuller left and now now they've delayed the premiere and we don't have a premiere date anymore oh Also like it's considering all the threats they face you think they would have a little you know a bigger bag of like Tricks up their sleeve It's because everything they seem to do they they kind of cobbled together at the last But it's not like hey, let's go through the database and pull from 200 things we've developed over multiple seasons of the show Hey, you know at back when we faced let's try that again But no, we'll just rely on the same shields and Yeah, they work They broke don't fix it All right. Uh, thanks everybody for watching. We'll be back tomorrow with patrick bezia I will likely be in the same location if that matters to you. We'll talk to you then