 I should. Okay, you're ready to go. Okay. Yes. The appointed hour, five o'clock PM, having been reached. I welcome everyone to this meeting of the Amherst Design Review Board. My name is Catherine Porter and chair of the Amherst Design Review Board. I call this meeting to order and it's obvious that we are meeting. The assume. We will begin with a roll call of the members of the design review board who have been in panel for the consideration of the. Item is on tonight's agenda. Board members, please say aye or yes to acknowledge your attendance for the record. Lindsey Schnarr. Yes. Jan Marquard. Yes. Erica Zecos. Yes. Okay. And Tom Long is not here. Also, when attendance is more green pollock planner and staff liaison to the design review board and Christine rest. Restra planning director. The design review board and its accompanying zoning regulations were created by town meeting in October of 1983. The charge and purpose of the design review board under section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural, economic and historical resources by providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use, the appearance of structures and the appearance of sites, which may affect these resources. The design review board exercises this responsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific overlays zoning districts in the town center, the design review overlay district on the town common design review overlay district. Design review was also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere in Amherst, which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site. All design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff. Each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel for public viewing. The procedure is as follows. The petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting after which the board will ask questions for clarification or additional information. After the board has completed its questions, the board will deliberate. If the board feels it has enough information and time, it will decide upon recommendations for each respective application. Once the board has voted on its recommendations, the staff liaison will type up the recommendations for distribution to the applicant, board applicable land use, board and building commissioner. And so tonight's agenda is DRB FY 21 Wayfinding sign system under section 3.2 zero of the zoning bylaw at various businesses, BL zoning district and TCDR district within 100 feet of the town common. So this is what we're going to do. Amherst college is going to present us with their new signage plan. Do we have the applicant here? We do. Yep. So Tom, Andrew, Seth and Samuel are all representatives of Amherst college. And so perhaps we can let them introduce themselves and give a presentation. Outlining the project as a whole. And then focusing on the specific signs proposed within the district. So we're going to start with the DRB jurisdiction, which is the DR district, which includes the general business zoning district and the abutting limited business. As well as the TCDR district, which is land within 150 feet of the Amherst, of the town common. So take it away. So who's going to start? I can do a brief. I can do a brief introduction. First of all, thank you for being able to meet with us. And I know schedules are. Crazy. So it's no small feat that we're all here on the same screen together. I'm sure different. Different towns and even states. But. So my name is Tom Davies. I'm the director of design and construction at Amherst college. And we have with us. Seth. And I'm the director of design and construction. The director of design and construction. And I'm the director of design and construction. We're all related to. Will shoots who is one of the project managers. At Amherst college. And our. Sign developer slash graphic arts folks. From role. And your bracey and Sam peace. So. We will kind of collectively. Lead you through really, we're going to ask. and then focus the conversation on the specific signs that are, because it's a small subset of the overall signage system, of course, that falls within the purview of this body. But I wanted to give a brief intro just to the zeitgeist of this thing. And I'm sure many people have been to many other colleges, even in the Valley, whether it's Smith or even UMass, and there's a cabbage signage system so that folks know where to go and how to get around and new visitors or people who are considering applying know how to get around and where to find the admission center and all those types of things. And Ambrose College really has kind of not embraced that until now. And it really comes from a place of the college leadership saying, hey, we're all about welcoming and inclusion and reaching out to all types of people everywhere on the planet. And we do that in every way, except when they get to our campus, they can't find anything. So let's make this a friendlier place. Let's let people who are on Ambrose Common understand that Ambrose College is right there. And in fact, it kind of surrounds them at that point. So it's really about creating that sense of welcome and inclusion. So that's my kind of brief 60,000 foot kind of perspective. And I'll stop talking about that at this point. I'm happy to answer questions or whatever. But I think that, Chris, were you going to give an intro for the group? So before we jump into our presentation, Catherine, would you permit me to speak? Oh, sure. Go ahead. Yeah. I just wanted to give some sort of a context here. Ambrose College is coming to us with a very wonderful, I think, wonderful sign system. It's very cohesive and it really works well for them on their campus. And they're also reaching out to us to locate some of the signs on the town right of way. And the town council has jurisdiction over the town right of way. So and they're also suggesting some signs on the town common. And town council, of course, has jurisdiction over the town common. There was a historical commission meeting last night where the historical commission commented on and made recommendations about signs on the town common, because the historical commission has a special relationship or special responsibility to sort of guard the historical significance of the town common. So they came forth with some very good comments and suggestions. And now you're being asked to review this sign system and make recommendations to actually, I guess I could say three bodies. One is the planning board and the planning board will be reviewing the signs that are proposed for private property within the area that Ambrose College is suggesting the signs go. So you're going to be asked to make recommendations about the signs that are in your area of jurisdiction to the planning board. And you'll also be asked to make recommendations about signs that are in the right of way or on the town common to the town council. So those are the areas that you're going to be focusing on. And thank you very much for agreeing to undertake this review. And we're looking forward to hearing your comments. Could I ask, are we privy to what the the Historical Commission recommended? So we just work on our own from our own perspective or would it be helpful to and maybe Jan can weigh in there? Should we be considering what was discussed last night? Just not to. So we don't follow ourselves with all kinds of recommendations. So what what's the thinking on this? Jan, did you want to respond about that? I mean, I would just say, you know, Jan can certainly or Chris Breastrup could certainly inform the board of what were the recommendations from last night's Historical Commission. And you can use that information as you discuss amongst yourselves for for your review. I think it's most appropriate for Jan to give those recommendations since she's on the Historical Commission. Well, it kind of to put it briefly is is straightforward, although we talked for, I don't know, two hours or something. It's mostly concerns the proliferation of signs and the redundancy of signs between the town and the college. And so there's already been a meeting and there will be more between the two entities. And we just specified very specific locations where we felt that one or another entity needed to remove theirs or not put up their sign and include directions. That was primarily what it was. We weren't looking at as a design issue as this body is, but more how it responds to the general look of the town and the common. And I just want I just wanted to say that I'm blanking myself out because I heard the entire presentation last night and I have a zillion things to do that are overdue for a new job. So I'm here and I'm listening, but I'm turning off my screen because I'm also doing a ton of stuff. So I hope that doesn't seem offensive to anybody. OK, thank you. All right, then why don't we why don't you all just continue and we can pick up later. OK, I think Sam is going to share his screen, right, Sam? Yep, hang on a second. And we've already started just as a brief interview for Sam starts, we've already started to incorporate some of the feedback received from the historic commission meeting yesterday. So we're going to kind of show you some updates as we go through about how we plan to to address some of their concerns. Right. And also, as Seth mentioned, we've had that meeting and Jan had mentioned we had had that meeting with the town planning staff. So some of that messaging that was in the initial program that we had submitted is starting is that those modifications are starting to appear in the in the updated drug in the updated set. So I just wanted to kind of give the design review board an overarching kind of view of the major sign components in our system. We're looking at primary gateways, secondary gateways, trailblazers, there's there's only a few of those, and most of them are now no longer located within the downtown area. The vehicular directionals, both large and small, so the larger vehicular directionals are located along the periphery of campus. And those are going to be the ones that we're primarily focusing on with the design review board to get their approval and recommendation on around the town green. There is one small vehicular directional that we're going to be looking looking at a series of building identification so that we can identify these locations and these public buildings, public facing buildings to visitors and to folks that are attending events. As well as clarifying parking lots and parking requirements for both the larger surface lot and also secondary residential lots. There is a series of freestanding cultural banners. Again, most of these are located within the campus proper. Tri-sided kiosks. We have one of these. Actually, we have one of these that we're asking the design review review board to look at double-sided kiosks, tabletop maps to try and keep these maps so that they're not blocking views. The tabletop map in particular is being used primarily within the campus so that as you're up walking through the campus, you're not blocking views, especially off of first year first year quad out to the Holyoke mountain range. And then pedestrian directionals, which would also be located throughout the interior of the campus really to kind of reinforce directions to these public venues as visitors and prospective students are walking through campus. Our graphic standards come from Amherst College Visual Identity Toolkit, which is a document that regulates the color and communicates the color and communication for the Amherst brand. So our colors are really derived from there. This this toolkit, as well as our typography and our symbology. So the colors that you're seeing here are the colors that we're looking at for our sign system and those those directly relate to this toolkit, both their primary color color palette that you can see here, as well as their secondary color palette. We're also looking at what are required for breakaway and public safety for signage located along major vehicular routes and public and public way that would require a breakaway. We're also looking at opportunities where those breakaways aren't needed as a direct burial for the base for these signs. So looking at our location and zoning district overlay, we have Sam, if you could back up to the beginning of the kit of parts for justice. I just want to mention a couple of things about the design, because I'm sure the design review board would would be interested in our thinking behind some of these design decisions we've made. Sure. We're also really glad to hear from the Historic Commission last night that they felt the overall design of the program was very appropriate and sort of had an approach of doing no harm. So they really felt, and correct me if I'm wrong, Chris, that the signage didn't have a negative impact on the common and felt very much consistent with the identity of the town as well. So we're really happy to hear that. But generally, we're using a granite for things like the gateway components and the basis of maps and kiosks that is consistent with the granite you would see on Ann Peres College's campus. And in fact, in some cases, we're using granite. They have stockpiled from previous projects as well. So there's a nice consistency of material that runs through all of our posts that you're seeing are of a charcoal gray tone. And the sign panels have a very dark, almost black coloration to them, still in the sort of purple family, but very dark so that the signage recedes in the landscape and doesn't jump out at you too strongly against the landscape. But the information on those backgrounds is bright and white. And so very legible. So we want legible information with signage that tends to recede. In many cases, we're we're we're using single posts with elevated sign panels so that you're seeing through them into the landscape and streetscape beyond and we're not providing any obstructions to your views, which is important to us. And we're trying to keep the scale of these elements down as much as possible and attaching them to the posts with a very light sort of black iron kind of bracket to, again, lighten the design as much as possible. So, you know, that that's kind of the thinking behind the design and the material choices that we've made. And we think it's it will look very appropriate and nice, not only on campus, but along the perimeter of campus throughout town. Sorry to interrupt, Sam. No, thank you, Andrew. So really, our locations and zoning district overlay take up as this this group probably knows and her campus is quite expansive. It takes a whole series of zoning plan kind of blow ins in order to for us to kind of address everything. But in the order to really kind of help narrow this group down, we really focused in and you can see it here lately. This light blue line is what we're asking the design review board for their for their feedback on and you'll see that as we go into the the the plants closer closer in. So in zoning plan five, we had originally had requested a one of those trailblazer signs, which is a three point one in our subsequent meetings with the town planning office as well as the Historic Commission. We have removed that sign and we're going to relocate that and coordinate with the town sign at location number four. Really, this was just the sign kind of pointing to the left, allowing folks coming down Main Street to understand that in order to get to Amherst College, you take a left and go down and go south on South Pleasant. So with that being incorporated into the town sign for, we've removed that redundancy, removed the extra sign and really kind of kind of streamlined the messaging that happens at this location. So the other ones that we're really looking at is C 104, which is a building identification at 79 South Pleasant, F 102, which is a tri-sided kiosk again, also at South Pleasant. We have located this there, this particular kiosk there due to the really the high amount of attendance that go over to the HR Department, which is located at 79 South Pleasant, a few large vehicular directionals, B 104, B 103, again, based off of our conversations with the Planning Department and Historical Commission last night, we've actually relocated this sign. We've pulled it further. We've moved it across, but what if so, we would not be conflicting with the town's welcome sign or the town, the town directional sign, number nine. The town, our town gateway, which is a downtown gateway, which is a 101, as well as another large vehicular directional that happens, B 106. The town has relocated their town, the town sign, number 10, and pulled that further south on South Pleasant. So again, we would have enough space in between these signs to not be in, you know, not be in conflict and reduce sign clutter. The parking identification that happens here at Converse, Converse lot, a tabletop map kiosk that we had kind of showed the initial renderings of of just located outside of Converse Hall and a building identification also at Converse Hall. Lastly, a 202, which is a secondary gateway that happens at Quadrangle Drive and a small vehicular directional that happens as you proceed up Quadrangle Drive just before you can make that turn, that left turn onto Boltwood. So what we would like to do is actually go through each one of these signs, show you what they are, what they look like, a rendering of each one that we have and kind of get your feedback on each one as we go through, if that would be helpful. But I asked, do you have, are you going to be able to show us the location? This map is really confusing. I mean, I mean, yeah, OK, not just the sign, but exactly where it is in Amherst, right? Yes, yes. All right. Yeah, so we have we have actual actual renderings, photographic renderings of each one of the locations. So you'll be able to see that the surrounding. OK. So let's start at the top. And may I just interrupt you for one moment? Of course, I believe Erica Ziko says raise your hand. And thanks, Maureen. I just wondering where there is a. Close proximity to a planned town wayfinding sign. Maureen, do you have the town's updated proposal handy so that we could see what content is intended to be included? Yes, absolutely. I do have a copy of the town's wayfinding system. And so at any point, if if members want to refer back to that, we certainly can. I think Maureen, we've also incorporated those town messages in partnership with our with our vehicular directional elevations. So that way we can compare messaging, that initial messaging that we've that we've started to kind of work back and forth with with the with the planning department on. Perfect. So. Really, we don't have anything in our first plan since we've removed the A 301, so the F 102. So that's the that's our tri-sided kiosk. Samuel, just could you go back to the map and really orient the the members of the exactly the sign that you're about to show the the plan the plan for? Yeah, so the the three particular plans that we're looking at is this one here. And then the two that we're really focusing on in are this one. Here, this is college in South Pleasant. And then the third one, it happens here. Again, Boltwood Avenue are green and South Pleasant goes here. And this is quadrangle drives. OK. And so when you talk about each sign, specifically, I believe you have a map that's zoomed in. If you could just give members of sort of landmarks of, you know, what corner what street that's on, maybe what building is it next to? Just so everyone has a clear understanding, of course. So I'm actually going to skip ahead rather than going to the select sign messaging and just really kind of focus in to start with the renderings. So that way, the group can kind of understand exactly what we're talking about. So our primary gateway, this is located right on the corner of Route 116, South Pleasant and College. This is on the if you're coming down towards the if you're coming down towards the green and you know, kind of the greens in front of you. This is that on that right hand corner. This would be a granite face with an aluminum sign cabinet maximum height on this is four feet. And that's mostly because of the way that the grade falls falls off. We have an aubergine sign band with a dimensional white lettering. Again, that granite base, that granite base extends up the hill to form a seatball that rages between 16 inches and 18 inches. And then the grade falls below as it goes off. We've we did this in a particular reason of kind of maintaining an openness to these signs, not build it, trying to build a large wall and really trying to preserve those views into the green. Is there a sign there now? There is not. I mean, on that corner, maybe a million times. OK, so there's a first time here. The the signs that you would have seen there are the temporary ones that not this summer, but every other summer we would have summer camp and summer seminars and whatnot are all located there to send people this way or that way or whatever. But no, there's no permanent signage there. Yeah, it's very interesting. We just want to note on that we should mention that folks probably are aware that the Mass Department of Transportation is redoing Northampton Road. In fact, we we understand that they are starting literally this week with, you know, preparation work. But we caught wind of that. And to make this sign really work well, we we really wanted to improve the pavement of the sidewalk there. In front of it and then we found out, OK, well, the DOT is going to redo it anyway. And they were amenable to modifying their design to make it. I will say a little more graceful and a little bit more thoughtfully designed. It cost a little bit more money and the college is picking up the tab for that. So that actually is in process, of course, that the Mass DOT project is intended. They say it's going to take three years. So at some point that that work will be done. But just to mention that as well, it's it's really more about the the sidewalk and the the way that the curve works to the to the sidewalk to kind of accommodate the. You know, the corner there, they would have done it kind of in segments of of, you know, trapezoidal shapes of concrete. So anyway, just so that so the the board is aware of that as well. Thanks, Sam. Sure. So moving on, a two oh two. This is at the corner of South Pleasant and Quadrangle Drive. This is our secondary gateway. This is perpendicular to South Pleasant and parallel with Quadrangle. This would be a, as Andrew mentioned, a charcoal gray post with the wrought iron look feel of the bracket and the dark arbor gene panel and dimensional letters for Amherst College in this were also indicating the name of the road as you go through to note, there's another one of these that will happen at our second at another secondary gateway that happens down on East Drive as well. One of the one of our recommendations from our design, our Historical Commission meeting last night, we used to have this particular wayfinding sign happen up here and with the town wayfinding that was happening there, it was recommended that we look at relocating it across Boltwood. So this would carry messaging for admission, athletic center and just making sure that folks understand that we're going going up to the next left on South for Pleasant, so they're not trying to take a left onto a wrong way at Boltwood. Again, our messaging is still kind of in flux as we're working with the planning and the town sign program. So, you know, the messaging that we have right now, what we're really asking for is kind of more approval on the shape and form. And, you know, obviously those messages will have to have coordination as this is happening kind of in real time. Coming the opposite way, or actually coming Catech Corner 90 degrees, coming down Route 116 towards college. We have a sign here. Again, in our discussions, the town sign is actually being slid further back. So it's going to happen somewhere in this location here. Again, this is going to just carry right now, carrying messages for Amherst College Museums and visitor parking. We did that because the current thinking is that the major museums within town are going to be carried on the the town we're finding versus the versus the, you know, kind of the Emily Dickinson, which is actually part of Amherst College, but really a really a kind of a cultural icon for the area. So Emily Dickinson, the Giddish bookstore, those type of museums will be carried on the town way finding versus the Amherst way finding. And we didn't want to get the word museums confused. We wanted to make sure that folks understood that the Amherst College Museums, meaning the Benesca Museum and Mead Art Museum. Coming the opposite way on Route 116 North, 116 South. We also have another sign located at this location. Again, this is directing folks to turn left down college to go to the Amherst College Museums and visitor parking and then straight ahead for the admission and athletics complex. And we can go through the actual face layouts in just after this with the with the elevations and then also see how we're starting to that we're starting to have that coordination with the town way finding messaging at the top of the green. This is at Quadrangle and Bultwood. We have a small sign that says that again has folks turn to the left to go to museums and visitor parking and then really kind of in enforce the accessible parking for Johnson Chapel and museums up along first year quad. What one of the major kind of desires of this program and objectives of the program is to maintain a pedestrian campus for Amherst College and really not having folks drive up Quadrangle Drive and through first year quad and around the circle with the amount of students that are that are going to and from and visitors that are going to and from various museums and events and classes down at Converse Hall. Again, this is Bultwood Avenue and down here is college. We have a small building identification that happens. It says Converse Hall the year that it was founded and also the address. Here, you'll also start to see where we're looking at introducing some of those secondary colors from the Visual Identity Toolkit on South Pleasant at 79 South Pleasant. These are this is the kind of roadway and entrance to H.R. as we had mentioned for Amherst College. So this is this is just carries the message 79 South Pleasant offices. Again, the year that it was founded and instead of having since we do have 79 South Pleasant already as the address, this one is particular in particular is carrying the Amherst College kind of byline underneath down the hill from Converse the Converse Hall at on Bultwood just coming up right before the the bus stop. We have a parking identification sign for Converse lot. This would carry message messages for permit parking. No, no overnight parking. And again, the little byline for Amherst College in a light gray color. As we talked about the tri-sided kiosk. So the tri-sided kiosk, again, the entry to Amherst H.R. Department is here. So really, and this is that 79 South Pleasant office. This is happening in the little green right to the right to the west of it. And these kiosks would have casework that would carry the opportunity for a campus map and campus directory. One of the things that I should note is one of the efforts that the college is taking on is also a land acknowledgement. So acknowledging where the previous Indigenous tribes that used to live on the land as well as opportunities with that to kind of broadcast and let folks know about events that are happening in this particular case an event that was happening at the Kirby, maybe a schedule of openings that is happening at the Mead, something about the you know, about the Benesque, really kind of bringing this out into the public to really encourage the public to kind of come on to Amherst campus, explore the museums, explore the amenities and really explore the view. Again, back onto Bultwood. This is Converse Hall, our converse walk sign here is down here. As you walk up Converse lot, as you're walking towards Converse Hall, this low pedestal based map tabletop. Again, as Andrew mentioned, this reclaimed or reused granite that we that we see throughout the Amherst college campus, something trying to keep this low and kind of more accessible and not not blocking views, but really just in kind of including this map and the directory. And again, these would also carry that the land acknowledgement message that Amherst college is is crafting. So Sam, I ask you a question. Is anything else experiencing a significant lag between when Sam changes slides or are you guys OK? Yeah, there's a lag, but it's catching up. OK, huge lag. Yeah. So, Sam, just be aware that when you click on a slide for some of us, it doesn't automatically change over. OK. Oh, 10 seconds or so. Oh, wow. OK. Yeah. Wonder what's up with it. I'm also having trouble following your mouse. Like when you say over here, like I'm not seeing the mouse. OK. Sure. So we're on the thank you slide right now. We are. And that was the end of that. That was the end of the rendered location. So sorry. I didn't realize that we were lagging. No, I thought it was just me. And that's why I didn't volunteer the question. Apologies. I'm more than happy to go through those as well as the elevations. OK, so maybe is it time for us to discuss the various signs? You're finished with your presentation. Is that correct? For the most part, yes. OK. So if it makes sense, perhaps the board should go and review each of the signs one by one. And perhaps Samuel can pull up the the map that's associated with the specific sign in the elevation in the layout plan. No. So just again for clarification, the signs you just we've just looked at and you've discussed, these are signs that are in some aspect of public way or you're showing a signs that aren't necessarily under the purview of the design review board. All the signs that we are showing you are under the purview of the design review board because of their locations. OK, I didn't realize. OK, so if we were to start in order of your presentation, it would be starting with the Gateway, Science, College and Self Pleasant Street. Right. And Chris, did you have something to say? I just wanted to remind everyone that it's a little confusing, but the board is being asked to make recommendations to town council and their committee town services and outreach or TSO. And that's all about things in the public way and things on the town common. And you're also being asked to make recommendations to the planning board for signs that are proposed within the area of jurisdiction of the design review board, but that are on private property because Amherst College has some signs that are on private property that they're proposing. So I think there was a little bit of confusion there, Christine, is I mean, the signs that are in residential zoned properties that are going before the planning board next week, because some of those were not included in the presentation, Sam, just gave. No, those aren't necessary to be included. It's only signs within the area of DRB jurisdiction. But as you showed, at least I believe at least two and possibly more of those signs are on private property. They're not in the public way. So I just wanted to make sure that, you know, everyone was clear that it's both signs in the public way and on the town common and some signs on private property that are within the jurisdiction of the design review board. OK, thank you. Thanks, Chris. All right, so let's take a look or discuss. I do have a question. I'm seeing images. Are those supposed to be light posts? The two the two grading images. Yeah, those will be. Those will be that those are the new proposed crosswalk signals that the DOT will be mass DOT will be putting. Oh, OK. All right. Couldn't tell. All right. So board members. Anybody like to offer some thoughts about this particular sign, Erica or Lindsay? Sure, I'll just start by saying I really appreciate the consistency, the package, given the range of types of information that needs to be conveyed, that it is clearly a family with color, materiality, fonts, et cetera. And I think that that's working really well. I think this is maybe my favorite sign just because of the incorporated seating height granite. Generally, though, I like the the goal of some visual porosity. And I think that that's especially nice here. You can see under and above the sign really functions well as a sitting in a car perspective, but also as a landscape future. I agree. I think it's very attractive, perfect. Size and something that should have been there a hundred years ago. I would I would echo the same sentiments. I think it's very tastefully done. It's fitting to the setting and clean, but also, you know, very noticeable. I really, I really appreciate that you didn't carry the the plinth all the way under, that there's that kind of like window just really lightens it. Yeah, so I would say it's got my vote. Do you think people, this may be sort of wacky, but the people will actually see that as a bench driving up to the center town. Could we assume that could we expect students to be seen sitting on it or is it wide enough for somebody to sit down on it? Are you talking about the panel, the sign panel itself? Yeah, yeah. In order to get up there, you would be hopping up at probably a good three and a half to four feet. It's not comfortable. All right. Comfortable to sit on. It's also only about. I would say I think we've modeled it only at about about eight inches wide, eight to ten inches wide. So it's not really super deep. The grander portion next to it is designed to be a seat. If you want to sit there. OK. The grander portion that is to the right in this image. Yeah. Yeah. The grander portion is really meant to be that kind of like. So it has that bench. Come have a seat. You can put some spikes on top of the sign panel. But don't sit in front of the letter. OK, should we go on to your next sign that you would like us to consider? Sure. So this is our secondary gateway. I'll show you the rendering right now. And then this is the elevation. Which gives you the dimensions and also the kind of zoomed in location. So again, South Pleasant Quadrangle. OK, any comments from the board? I have no objections to it at all. But I'm still trying to find you see it. And you're saying that this is actually on town. Common property. Is that correct? That's. Yes, this one. Yeah. All right. OK. Any I have no objections. I think it's again, it's clean. It's tasteful. I really like the offset and the way it's mounted. The bracket that kind of holds off of the post. I think the post is fitting for a historic campus while not being too ornate. And and as Erica said, it's it's clearly, you know, consistent with the family and the text is clean and easy to read. So I think it's great. Good. OK. All right, let's go on to the next one. I didn't know that was called quadrangle drives. I'm learning a little bit about the campus. So the next series are going to be our vehicular directionals. There it goes. So it was right there. Right. Why we need signs, right? We. Be one of this one. Is that correct? You said this one has moved. Has moved. I mean, mind us where it used. It used to be if you see this kind of grade in. Element up here. That is the town wayfinding. We used to be right next to it. Oh, OK. Here. So we've relocated our sign and pull it back to this corner here. All right. And to clarify, this was the biggest point of discussion that last night's mission meeting, it took most of the discussion. And their biggest concern and if Jan or Chris want to correct me if I'm putting words in anybody's mouth was sign proliferation along this strip because it's two state highway signs. There's the turn lane signs. There's a town sign. There's our sign. Yeah, I would like to point out to this is. In terms of location, it's general. What you're saying here, we may pull it a little more forward prior to the light post, for example, but generally the idea is that it's located at this corner here prior to. Well, people coming up that approach, your signs, I think, going to stand out. I mean, it's attractive sign, but it's really going to attract more attention than four little wayfaring sign and that the green directional sign for one 16. I don't know whether that matters or not. I mean, it is going to be the, I think the most important sign that people are going to see. I mean, the green sign has another one under it that's kind of crooked that says town center to the right or something like that. We were hoping that the state would be agreeable to take that down if our wayfinding sign does the same thing. There's two of these lane signs within a few feet of each other. There actually aren't. This image is old, Jan. Just this is a street Google Street View image. And I went by there today and actually there's only one. Oh, somebody already knocked it down. OK, one down. Yeah, and on the. Quadrant map on the. Maybe it's sheet ZPO six. I'm looking at the packet that Maureen sent to the design review board prior to the meeting, and I understand this is updated, but. There is reference to two signs. One is welcome sign to a and welcome sign for a. Who's are those? Those are the town signs. Those are town signs. Yeah, in addition to town sign number nine, correct. So town sign number nine would be a wayfinding sign. That's the new wayfinding, right? Yeah, welcome sign to a would be a welcome to Amherst sign and to give the board clarity for a is a proposed due location for for a it has not been approved yet by the town. It's also welcome to Amherst. It's also welcome to Amherst. I agree with in general, I agree with the worry about the proliferation of signs and signage, and I think it was a appreciated move to pull yours back to the other side of the intersection. I think that it will help with the visual clutter. Yeah, we asked last night the possibility of the welcome sign going at the actual beginning of Amherst down at the corner of university and call it and route nine, which is where we had been trying to put it. You might remember you do along and then there really nothing worked out. But now there's the new development by Barry Jacobs down there. That little brick house is gone. And Chris, you had said that you talked to him about possibly putting it there. I still think that's better than either of these locations, which is a all you're already in Amherst. I mean, you're in Amherst for a while. And B, it's the place where we have the problem with the most signs. Yeah, it has. Miss Brestrup has raised your hand. Oh, I'm sorry to say that. Yes, you are right. We are considering moving for a down to the intersection with University Drive. However, the town manager thinks that this welcome sign for a is important to the town and he would prefer to have it in this location. So there's going to be further discussion about that. Welcome sign to a might be better placed back in East Amherst village center rather than being placed here on the comments. So we've been talking about the potential for moving it back closer to where you enter Amherst from Belcher town. And we haven't yet decided on a new location. But these two signs for a and to a are kind of in a flexible situation right now in flux. Yeah, I think as we had discussed it before, those really are those kind of gateway to the town, not to the downtown. And so, yeah, anyways, I guess if this conversation is about B103, I think it's fine where you currently are showing it. Thank you. I agree. I think that, you know, it's something to definitely be talking about is how many signs exist in that location. But I think the choice of where to move the sign to was was very, very intelligent. And I think it works well, just separates, you know, that intersection from the the one up the road with the stoplight. And it seems visually clear that you're indicating something that's happening at the first corner, not conflicting with what's happening at the next corner, and it ties in with the change in the paving with the crosswalk and the brick. So I think it's I think it's really clear and it's a good choice. So one thought was, could that sign where you stay on the same side of the road as it is now, but move it further east down the sidewalk, or is there sort of a formula for signage that if you have it too far removed from the corner, you will won't pay attention. I mean, if I think the difference between after the light post and before the light post isn't really going to affect its functionality, it's really more about sight lines. And what we would like is an opportunity to physically stand there and and stake the sign. Advantagiously, based on the sight lines to the light post on that sort of thing. So if if this position is is free and clear from a sight lines perspective, we'll leave it here. But you know, what happens when we actually implement signage is we do a staking with the fabricator and we put down stakes for every sign location. And then there's a bit of an investigation in terms of utilities, you know, underground utilities, things like that. So there's always some amount of adjustment in the field at that point. But generally, this is the spot we'd like to target for this sign. Take it out of the mix of all the signs occurring after this after boltwood and and just locate it as optimally as possible for viewing. OK. All right. OK. All right. Any other comments? And if not, we'll move on to the next sign. What would that be? Our next sign would be one six. This is our our second vehicular wayfinding. And in the meantime, let me pull up. I'm going to pull up slide 15 so we can actually look at each one of these locations. So the one that we just looked at is this one here. Right. This is the one that's happening down at the corner of boltwood and and college. So the admissions athletic center next left on South Pleasant. And this is the assumed. This is the proposed messaging right now. I know that their messaging is still up in the air for for the town wayfinding. And then the next sign is is is which one here? B one oh six is the one that we were just talking about. One thing to note is you'll see here in the proposed messaging. There's an Amherst College Mead Art Museum. And the museum into that huge image of that sign. Yeah. And just to be clear, this is northbound on one 16. Right. Yeah. Approaching the common. Right. Hi. So OK. So these messages are going to be will be removed from the tap from the town program. So could you say something this is a little confusing because one of these signs, the one at the bottom with the green downtown. That is a sign that will be seen as you're moving northbound on one 16. The other sign on top of that, that the town is proposing is the reverse. So it's on the reverse side of this sign. It would be seen as you're moving southbound. But we we will be taking off the reference to Amherst College Mead Museum and Beneski Museum. So this is side one. This is side two. OK. So it's not. Eight blades per per side. And we discussed that last night and talked about potentially that being too many blades per sign. So that's something that we're going to take under advisement. One thing that I'm noticing is and it was apparent in the last slide that you were showing at that intersection. I'm not trying to backtrack, but that all of your all of your signs are the same height and it's clear from this slide that that's to accommodate multiple, multiple messages, which I think is is very clearly done. And I guess my question is in locations where you only have a single location that you're directing with, is there the potential to add new messaging below? Is that some is that part of the intention to have the ban? I mean, I know that visually it's nice to have the uniformity of the same height throughout. But I'm just curious if if there's the ideas that these could adapt over time to allow for additional directions to be added to the signs? Yes. The intent is that there is that kind of flexibility for the college to introduce another message. Our rule of thumb, just so you know, if you're in a car driving down the road, can really take in about five messages at most. And you can see here we've got the maximum here is about four. So we would like some flexibility there. We're still working with the college on final messaging. This is pretty close, but there may be one or two additional destinations that we'd like to be able to add if necessary. Things have gotten whittled down from previous messages, which were fuller than what you're seeing here, because of our coordination with the town. So now we were referring to the downtown here. We were also referring to Emily Dickinson. But we would we've agreed that those messages perhaps are more appropriate on the town sign rather than the college sign. But we would like to retain the flexibility with these panel sizes. Thank you. So yeah, for example, very, very easily. What's what you're seeing there could be two separate items. We've we've got some work to do in-house still around visitor parking. You probably all know this, but there really isn't any visitor parking at Amherst College. I'm sure you've all looked for it. So we've got we've got a little bit of work to do around this sign in particular. Anything that's that's calling out visitor parking, we know we've got a little bit of wordsmithing and soul searching to do. Well, I think the sign itself same comments as before. I think it works here. I this is another place where there's a lot of between the the state highway signage and the town signage and the college's signage is in the bus stop and all there's a lot going on. And so this is a place where I think ongoing coordination between the town and the college about the precise placement of the signs would be necessary. But other than that, I think it's could we see the sign you had a slide with the sign? Yeah, that one. So there's spaced far enough that your sign doesn't stand in the way of all the other stuff that's coming up. Right. Yeah. Or could you move that side? I think what I suppose bothers me is the placement of the sign. Could you move it further south? Is there any reason why it has to be there? Or is it a matter of a driver retaining the message long enough to know to turn to turn the corner? Because there's all kinds of fact. I mean, those are good questions. There's all kinds of factors. One is allowing them enough time to see it, but also not too much time to forget what the heck was on the sign by the time. Exactly. Yeah. The other thing is that we are coordinating with the town in terms of their directional sign as well, which is further south. So as ours get further south, so does theirs. And so it becomes this problem of we're just getting too far from the decision point. So I think Tom and Chris raised a good point that there may also be opportunities with the street improvements that are planned to coordinate with the DOT, not just about the street edge, but also modifications to existing state signs. Potentially that might be redundant. Then can we clean up some of that as well? But yeah, Andrew, I know that they don't play ball, but it's worth trying. I know Tatiana and Gina have who are our landscape architect partners in our gateways have been talking with a DOT about relocating and reducing the number of highway guide signs that are there right now. But I didn't know that. That's great. Hey, this is a silly thing, maybe. But I figured I threw it out there. I believe that there is a crosswalk sign there, that orange diamond. Yes, there is. OK, so that, believe it or not, is a hangover for when there used to be a crosswalk there that we eliminated over 15 years ago. So that's not a crosswalk warning sign that a crosswalk is coming up at the intersection? I mean, generally you don't have them for intersections, right? No, I think it's there because the sidewalk comes along and then it kind of bends and continues. That sidewalk used to just go right to a crosswalk that went straight across and up the stairs to College Hall. Right. Literally, I'm not kidding. Like 2004, that was eliminated. I'll have to talk to my cousin Vinnie. I'm sure he can arrange something. Perhaps we can file the right form to have that sign removed. Whoever knocked down one of the lane signs, get their sledge and have them go out there again. Yeah, that's right. Just to finish up, sorry, go ahead, Katherine. No, go ahead. I was just going to say in response to the signs that we were just looking at, I guess, prior to this one, I don't know if we officially moved on. But I think just wanted to echo Erica's comment about just making sure that there is a lot of information and it sounds like you are all aware that we want to keep things as clear as possible. But assuming that some of that information that's being provided by these new Amherst College Wayfinding signs is being eliminated on the town wayfinding signs, we just want to make sure that people aren't feeling unsure about which signs to be looking at. And that it's really obvious that anything Amherst College related is being addressed as perhaps even before the town Wayfinding signs and that you would want people to feel like they wouldn't be looking for the Amherst College information on the Wayfinding signs because they didn't have it yet. So maybe just thinking of it as a sequence, which I'm sure you already are when you're approaching the signs that if they're looking, people are just going to look for signs, right? And so if they're looking for that information on the town Wayfinding because that sign comes first when they're driving and they don't see it there, we just want to make sure that the Amherst College sign is really visible soon thereafter or perhaps beforehand. I think that's all. Yeah. Can I respond to that? Of course. Sure. That actually came up last night as well, Lizzie. And we've been talking about that. I think it's a point for further coordination between the two town systems because it does seem like there is a logic to the Amherst College sign occurring further south and then the town Wayfinding sign being after that. As one comes up from the south, you will have been passing by the college pretty obviously. And there'll be this vocabulary of these purple signs over gene signs. And on both sides of the road, as you come up through, a few of them here and there or whatever. And so to have the Amherst College sign first seems logical. And then the next being a much broader message of all the cultural resources and town center and all that kind of stuff as you're approaching the center of town. So we were having that same conversation. I think it needs a little bit more discussion. Great. Thank you. OK. Can we move on to a new sign? Of course. So we'll move on to B-1004. This is also a vehicular directional. This one, going back to our plan, this one happens just to the south of 79 South Pleasant. There isn't actually a town sign at this location. All of the town signage actually happens further up at Main Street. Can we see it again? Of course. Yeah. I'm not oriented. OK. All right. So this is just north. Is this Selling Street there? Selling, I think you're right, Chris. I always forget the name of that one there, yes. So just north of Selling Street, yep. And then just to clarify, there is a sign that's associated to the building at 79 South Pleasant Street. Yeah. And so could you show where this proposed sign is in relation to that sign, as well as the tricided sign in front of 79? Yeah. So our sign here, this is the sign for the building ID for 79 South Pleasant at this location. The tricided kiosk is about here. And then the sign that we were just looking at is down here. And the actual building is sort of in that pink area, kind of just up right here. It's hard to see. Yeah. So the directional one we're talking about is actually in front of Sealy dorm, not in front of 79 South Pleasant. So the view from the rendering is a little foreshortened. It makes the distance between Selling Street and Route 9 look very short, but it's really not very short. Right. It's a lot more length there than appears. Yes. Actually, Chris, you're right. And I think that there's an inconsistency between the map location and where it's shown in this rendering, now that you've mentioned. That is true. Well, there's a lot of stuff on there. A lot of stuff there. I mean, little signs, big signs. I mean, the flags are temporary and there's parking meters. I mean, your sign stands out beautifully, but it does remind me there's just so much stuff. I don't know how, you know, arrows here, arrows there, as if people don't get the company. Can you go back to the plan, Sam? Sure. So we can make a note to adjust the location on the plan. Yeah. I think it's more like where the pink tag is. More like back. Yeah, right about in there. Right about here. Yeah. Yeah. And there was a, the taller pole had a sort of a flag or a banner on it. What was that? Was that an Amherst College? No. It's not Amherst College. It's probably the bid. It's probably the business improvement district. We put up banners all over town to announce various events and things. Yeah. The thing I wanted to mention is the town may be coming into some money if we're lucky. And if we are lucky, we may be redoing the sidewalks around the town common in this location. And if that happens, all of these signs will get removed and then there will have to be decisions about where to put them back. So I think we'll have an opportunity to clean things up a bit. That would be good. Really? OK. All right. Any questions, suggestions regarding this first sign that we just looked at heading towards the intersection? OK, if not, do you have another sign? Moving on. Moving on. We're now into our secondary vehicular directional that happens at Quadrangle Drive and Boltwood. So I will go into. So this, if you remember, was our secondary gateway sign. So this was the tall sign that said Amherst College Quadrangle Drive. And then up on that, as you're going up the hill, just prior to Boltwood. And again, we're working through messaging on this one as well. Yeah. Any suggestions? Comments? I think it works well. It's clear. It's consistent. No issues. I think I agree. But I'm curious about. I think I agree. But I'm curious about whether it's on the attachment from the sign, the aubergine sign to the post. There appears to be an additional vertical element. So the way that the bracket is made, the bracket. And this is actually on all of the signs. It's the. It's a square post. Rotated at 45 degrees. So we're mounting to the corner. Each one of those has a. For lack of a better term and angle. That goes in and then it has three to four. One inch. One inch square posts that are also rotated at that 45. So they're little diamonds that hold the panel on. Thank you for the drawing. Nice. Yeah, that's helpful. I see it now. It makes sense. I just noticed it in this. In particular. Render and it's fine. I guess it seems. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. You've been talking about lightness. And this is kind of a heavier. Yeah. I sort of like the heavier base myself. Doesn't look so spindly. Are any other questions or comments? As you noted, you may not be promising visitor parking. You may be changing some of the wording, but it's fine. Do you have another sign? We do. We're getting there though. We're getting there. We're almost done. It's kind of, you know, One by one. Same theme. I never thought I'd watch by a, by a design review board with this. Oh, we love signs. This is our conference hall location. To bring that into plan view. This is that particular location here. This is our 79th pleasant that we were just talking about. And then one of the other ones that was asked to be rendered and to shown was alumni house, which is outside of that, of the design review board district, but it's, it happens over here in front of alumni house. That's this one. Yeah. And this is a private example where you can see those secondary colors. Kind of showing up. So was there any question in your mind that every, that the sign should be elevated or did you consider having lower signs around the, around the buildings? I see an advantage to this, but. You know, just have a smaller lower sign in front of every building. That's not noticeable enough. So we did do, we did do the smaller lower signs. Most of those happen within the campus. Okay. Really why we did this is it's right. It's really located right on the road. And there is parking. So we wanted to be able to get the sign up above. Park vehicles. Sure. Okay. Yeah. And it's not, it's not every building that's on a. Major road. You know, it's those, those few that really have a lot of visitor traffic. I'd say, okay. So there's kind of a hierarchy. Yeah. Sure. The human resources department is in. 79 South pleasant offices. And there are a number of events in Converse Hall as well. So. These are the locations that I have like first time visitors who. Are not as familiar with the campus as say. The residence hall, for example, which would just kind of. As I was pointed. There's parking there. So a low sign might be obscured by. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm just going to say the alumni house sign is going to be on the. On the drive. As you enter into the alumni house that little. It's actually going to be directly in front of alumni house. Oh, okay. Yeah. You'll see it as you're kind of driving. I can't remember the name of the road that, that runs by alumni parking lot, but you'll see it from kind of from the street. Yeah. But you won't, it's not going to be, it's not meant to be out by the road. There is, there are. There is. Two signs that are out by the road, which identify alumni lot. Okay. Are we going to see those or I believe that we have those. We do have those rendered in our, in our parking lot IDs. Okay. They are also pretty far outside of the kind of. DRB. Right. Yeah. Yeah, but they were asked to be rendered. So we did, we did include them. Are they going to be on high on a post? Yeah. They will. They'll be identical to what we're having at a commerce hall. Okay. All right. I think comments. My question was just what the color coding. Sorry if you said it already and I missed it, but what the color coding of the bar at the bottom above the address is. I know it's part of your palette that you showed at the beginning, but is it also indicative of any. Anything. It's, it's really not a cold. Cold color coded system. It's actually kind of random. And it was really an effort just to introduce a little bit of color and energy into the campus. There was a concern. The original design was perhaps a little too state. And so injecting a little bit of energy was, was. Was desired and we're doing that through color. And we kind of like the idea that it's more random as opposed to a. A color code system. That people need to figure out. I feel as though it. May become a. Something that people want to figure out. I had the same question that Lindsay did. I was looking for a system. I was looking for a system. Was it an academic building and administrative building. An assembly building. I was looking for that. And I wonder if there will be some game that people will be playing in order to try and figure out your secret message. I like the idea of inserting color, but I'm not convinced of the, the randomness of the, the color selection. I didn't say we didn't have a secret message, but I'm not about to reveal that. Got you. And then on the rendered version of the sign in front of commerce hall, we see a vertical band of color. That's on the. That's on the. That's on the edge of the sign. So the signs are about. About one and three quarter to two inches thick. So I think that would be that, that color actually wraps the top down the side and along the bottom. Yeah, I think there's an opportunity. Just kind of follow up. I mean, I, I love the idea of injecting color. And I think it works really well as a palette. But it would be nice if there was something consistent. I mean, I think it's, it's possible that down the road, you'll. Wish. You know, that there will be a need. For a certain amount of consistency there. So it just might be something to think about. Like, like Erica said, is it. Based on the building type? Is it. You know, what, what is it? And it seems like there's some opportunity there. I think it's a valid point, honestly. And something we'll, we'll, we'll give some more thoughts. So I think that's something to note, just talking a little bit about the, the color schemes. You will notice all of our. The vehicular directionals are carrying the purple color scheme. So we are being very consistent with those. As well as. The, that 79 self pleasant also carrying that purple. So really we're definitely looking at. The purple really being, you know, that's primarily where I've been, where we've been kind of focusing that Amherst purple, the Amherst brand purple is really outside of the campus proper. So really kind of uniform, making that super uniform of being the, the aubergine and the Amherst purple. So we are looking, you know, that was the first layer of color. And now we're working on those, those sec, that secondary layer of the color palette as well. Great, Miss Catherine. I'm afraid I need to excuse myself. I have a planning board meeting at 30. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Part of this that I need to leave. Yeah. Thanks. So just for clarification, I'm learning a lot about the roads around here on your sign for Congress hall. It says boltwood. Correct. So boltwood the runs in front of. Converse hall on the Amherst college campus. Oh my God. No. All right. That's it. That's right. That's right. Technically the Amherst common, the green across the street from Congress Hall is the extension. Yes. That's right. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Any more signs. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Which we've discussed again, you know, this one has that purple purple on the. Right. We will make the update to the location for the vehicular directional. We have. Down the hill a little bit is the converse lock. Right. Sign. And that is the parking lot ID. Yeah. That parking lot ID happens here. The parking lot. The parking lot at this hall would be here. This is the green opposite. That is D. D. 006. Is there where you have that sign? Is there an entrance to the parking lot at that end? Or is the entrance to the parking lot further down? There's an entrance to the parking lot. Okay. All right. And then there's another actually another entrance to the parking lot. We have a sign there as well. For converse. However, that's, you know, we didn't, we didn't have that one in the plan. Just because it's outside of the zone. Okay. And the last is the two map locations, right? Yeah. I really appreciate that you included the parking information on there. I think that was a really good use of space. Yeah. I think it works well. I think it works well. And I would just carry the same comment over about the. The color. If, you know, if you're kind of an example of where. You know, parking could be the light blue or the dark. So, but otherwise I think it, I think it reads very well. Just one comment and respond to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, Lizzie that by, by incorporating that. It's, it's a much more streamlined message around. You know, parking and, and whether you should be there or not. And that kind of stuff. That actually eliminates a bunch of other signs that we've got scattered around that are really. Wordy and difficult and, you know, so. Yeah. It's, it's a good improvement. Yeah. I think that's great. And it appears that you're not using in the background, either the Amherst college. Emblem or the mammoth. Yeah. I like that. It seems like, you know, go ahead. We, we've reserved the use of the mammoth. To anything having to deal with athletics. And we've, we've served the use of the shield or the, the college seal. Strictly to admissions. So there's only one sign in the entire program that uses that. That. Okay. The earlier point that the visual identity tool get developed by the communications group really. Yeah. Restricts the logo to really kind of, you know, Marquis locations. Yeah. Very good. Any, any more signs. We have two more, which are two maps. There you go. The grants on all. So this is the one that's out in front of 79. South pleasant. Right. And then if we can, we can lump these two together. This is the one again that's on boat with just south. Or. Yeah. So this is the one that's out just down from this is both. What app. This is converse hall. Our converse hall sign would be here. Our converse parking sign would be here. That's my car in the foreground. And just, and just to clarify the sign that's behind the proposed desktop kiosk. We would all hope is, is a temporary sign related to COVID. Right. Correct. Yeah. Okay. I think it's important to note that one of our key strategies to the way finding program. Is to provide a map at each of the primary parking lots. On campus so that as soon as you get out of your car, you can orient as to where you are on campus and where the various destinations are. Relation to your position. And then the hope is that. We're really trying to reduce the number of. You know, red crumbs that'll be required throughout the campus. If we can provide these kinds of maps at really key locations like parking lots. To help people orient to the greater goals. And each map will have a unique, you are here. Designation that corresponds to your actual location. Are that the bases here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is it granite? What's the. The gray granite. It's the granite reclaimed granite from their stockpile. For this particular one. And if you go back to the kiosk, Sam. That base is also granted. So it's. Yeah. That kiosk. Similar to the ones that we have perhaps temporarily and Amherst. Is it. Does it have lights and can it. Can the information be changed? Essentially a display. Electronically. Okay. Display case. Digital print inside. Yes. And it would have illumination inside it. That would strictly illuminate the translucent print. Yeah. It's not a digital sign. No, it's not a digital sign. So you, I guess then you'll have a policy as to how often you change it. So that you keep the appearance looking fresh. And. Inform. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then for this location is the, the unit paver. Swoop. Is that, is that new? An extension of the sidewalk. Here. The sidewalk exists. And the pavers are new. Yeah, I like that. Doing it as an extension, giving some hard scape around it so that that doesn't get all worn. The grass over time. I think that granite base is like. A nice classy. Consistent. Sure. Sorry. Sorry. I just was going to continue the comment. About the extension. But Erica, were you still speaking? No, I think I could wrap up. My only thought, and I agree. I think it's a nice way to. To frame that. That signage. And kind of keep with the, the paving that's there. My only concern is the. It's all, you know, it's, it's not a plan. You can't see exactly what the distance is for walking around it. But it's, but it. It feels like. It might be a little tight on the. Right side. Just looking at the image. So I would just, I would just want to make sure that people have enough space to walk around it. Without kind of getting into the grass. Because otherwise, as Erica pointed out, you'll have kind of a worn area. So I think just locating that. Really thinking about how much space people need to walk on either side of it. Might make sense to pull it a little closer to existing sidewalk, but. I assume. We'll look at that. Yeah. More dimensionally. Yeah. One of the other things that we really need to, and we're really focused on. Especially at this location is accessibility. And being able to get a wheelchair around there. Especially at the orientation. You know, if we were to have the map facing in that direction, we would definitely want to make sure that some of you could wheel up to that with a wheelchair. Being able to turn and being able to have those 88, those minimum 88 requirements. We just have to work with our landscape architect on that location. Good. Well, it's a perfect location. People getting off the bus. Or waiting for the bus. Perfect location. Okay. Any other thoughts or comments? Are there any more signs? That is it. Okay. Anybody wrap up any thoughts or comments? If not. If the board is interested, I could just quickly review. Some of the key. No. I had. Well, we'll start for this one since it's here. So for this sign in front of us, which is. The desk. It's not the desktop one. What is. No, this is the tri-sided kiosk. Marine. Oh yeah. Thank you. Oh, so did we. Yeah. Did we. Recap on the desktop kiosk. F3. Okay. Sorry. Give me one second. I just want to correct something. So for this. Not. Okay. So for this one. Is the. Okay. You guys had no issues with this one. And let's just, I'm going to start over again. Cause I don't want to get confused. So the gateway, let's see here. No one had any specific recommendations about the gateway sign at college and self-pleasant street. Everyone liked it. The next one, which would be a 2. 0, 0, 2, the secondary gateway sign at self-pleasant street. Corner with. The quadro angle sign. I don't want to get confused. So the gateway. Let's see here. No one had any specific recommendations about the gateway sign at college and self-pleasant street. Everyone liked it. It's not a quadro angle drive. Everyone was fine with it. There are no specific recommendations. B1. 003. Again. The board was fine with it. Jan had. Mentioned that the historical commission would like, if possible, to remove the mass DOT. Sign that says downtown. Left sign to be removed. Then the following one, B106, northbound sign on South Pleasant Street heading towards downtown. Members suggested that Amherst College continue its coordination with the town and MSTOT, remove any old signs such as that misleading sign that says there's a crosswalk coming, and any other old signs that are not in use. Let's see here, think about viewers for where this, so Lindsay had suggested that again in the continued coordination of these two wayfinding sign systems with the town and the college, think about the sequencing of the signs being installed of Amherst College sign, sign should go up first or should they all go up at the same time or in the very close proximity of time. The next one would be B1004, southbound sign on South Pleasant Street by the bus stop, and that's the vehicular sign and the board or it was noted that this exact location is slightly off and that you'll be updating it for your next meeting with the town. The next one is B2002, which is on the campus at the quadruple angle in Bultwood Ave corner and everyone was satisfied with that. C1005, Bultwood Ave in front of Converse Hall. This is where the discussion about the colors of the bars on these signs at the bottom, the side and the top should have consistency perhaps by building type or by some system and think about whether there should be a consistency there or as proposed, which is the randomness or trying to add a little flavor to it with the coloring. D1004, the board is fine with that 79 South Pleasant Street. D1006, Converse Parking Law at sign on Bultwood Ave, the board is fine with that. F1002, the tricided sign in front of 79 South Pleasant Street. That was the discussion about making sure that you meet all MAAB and ADA regulations about providing accessible routes and turning radius for viewing the sign. Then besides ADA, just thinking about if people are traveling on the right side of that sign, provide enough width that people aren't just going to now cut through on the grass and wear out that area. Then F3004, folks were fine with that. I think that we covered them off. Okay. That covers them off. Yes. Maureen, do you think we need a motion or can we just offer a support? Yeah, that would be helpful if you guys could make a motion on whether you want to give a positive recommendation to the TSO, the town council, and the planning board. Then with those suggestions that I quickly reviewed. Okay. Maureen, can I just mention that in your summary of the College Street sign, you mentioned, if you're going to write this out, you mentioned that the green state sign that I hoped would come down, you said it says to the left and it's to the right. Yeah. Thank you for that clarification. You're going to write it up to get it right. Do you want me to make a motion? Yes, please. I just want to add one thing to Maureen's description. It's not, we're not recommending only to eliminate redundant signage, but to coordinate the placement of signs for wayfinding and immobility. Right. So I just want to make sure that that's in there. Yeah, good point. Yeah. Separate, but. Yeah. Yeah. This could really benefit the town. If we could get rid of some of the old wonky stuff around. Okay. Okay. So I moved that. The design review board supports the wayfinding system of Amherst college as presented tonight with a few recommendations for further consideration between the town and Amherst college on placement and content. Okay. Thank you. Second. Okay, Lindsay. Seconded. Any further discussion? Any discussion? Okay. Okay. All in favor. I will take a roll call here. Erica. I. Lindsay. Hi. Jan. Yes. And Catherine. I. Okay. There you go. Anything else that we need to pass on to Amherst college or are everybody satisfied? Yeah. I think that's great. I'm sure there's a little lot of work. So it's, it's really clean. And well done. So congratulations. Yeah. I wish we had that quality with the Amherst town. Oh my. Yeah, me too. The whole time I'm watching these, I'm thinking, man, oh man, but we missed the boat. Well, you get rich pay forms. I know. That's right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to Sam, Andrew. Uh, Seth. Yes. And, um, Tom. And Tom. Oh, sorry. And Tom Davis, of course. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you all. Yeah. I'm working with you. You were good sports. I think what's really. Great to see is that every time we meet with some. The community. It's really encouraging. Thank you. Yes. Remember my comment from last night. I mean, if you didn't write it down about. If you're going to close quadrangle to through traffic to put a drop box for the library. In the conference. Okay. Is all of us in the five colleges as we live in Amherst, we'd much rather drop off books there than go back to our respective campus. Okay. All right. Thank you again. Okay. You're welcome. Thanks. Good night. Thank you. Marine, do we have anything else? No, let me see if there's any member. No, there are no members of the public. So we don't need to do the general public comment period. I have not typed up any meeting minutes. So I will hope to get. Get back to that. And for this memo, so the TSO will be holding a meeting tomorrow night. So I'll be typing up this memo in preparation of that meeting. And I'll for that long to you. Prior. If anyone can. Has a moment to review it. And so. That's it. Do I hear a motion? I have dinner. I just. Okay. I'm going to be out of commission probably for the next. Few weeks having a baby. So I already told Marine. But any meetings that come up. Just know that you're down one person in terms of having a form. Okay. Until. Probably. Next month. Not September. October. I'm going to be a lot more limited on my dates that I can meet because I'm commuting to Boston and back. So there won't be as many. Week. You know, have to pick carefully if you have a certain number of days from the time you get an application or something that we have to meet, we're going to need to plan really. Okay. Good. Thank you for letting me know that I've, I've informed staff members of, of, of sort of everyone's schedule coming up in September and beyond. And that we need to, I don't expect this board to sort of meet in a whim of, Oh, in the next 40 hours, 48 hours. Can we meet? And. Yeah. And that we, you know, we'll come up with a schedule, a monthly schedule if needed. So we can all sort of coordinate together with. Having a more consistent schedule. All right. Well, best of luck, Lindsay. We'll be thanking you. We'll miss you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah. Okay. Well, the meeting has been adjourned. Goodbye, everybody. Thank you. Nobody seconded the motion, but I vote yes. Yeah, I know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Nobody seconded the motion, but I vote yes. Yeah, I know.