 Okay, let's just go right. Let's why don't you just start on off and we'll follow it Okay, yeah, and I apologize. I'm looking at these different I don't know why my camera's not working. It should be working. That's okay. We have some we have some In case I made paper copies of the latest version that you set me So we're able to Otherwise we're able to follow a lot of paper. We have to Initiated and so giving them just a chance to know sort of what you know, giving them the background It's hard to know exercise. We're trying to you know understand this from a feasibility perspective and certainly I think we expect that there will be additional Public engagement or, you know, if the city were to move forward So having them really understand the scope of the work is for their benefit And then you know several slides up Content in the presentation because based on your feedback and just based on okay, that's okay. We've got it We've got it here Understand how long on the libraries Sort of fits into 15 where we look at where the library fits in among all Because you can see that it's very much in line with what your peer libraries are setting a couple of notes here is that I think that is Not being on Charges presented from the largest peer library to the smallest so long bond is close to the Smallest library service a little things that became really clear to me is that the library or stand box that you would have You know even 10 years ago or 15 years ago since you grow you're becoming a much larger city And there's a type of permanent environment with us. So that's why you know long off of the library something very That is the largest library that will have one out of them I think a lot of that is getting into this kind of bigger sandbox where These larger library systems are either serving larger communities or their collections Historically, so that's why that is in relation to the library business for open-ended lives I will be saying as well as you know, if you're some background Even if you don't want to get into what? You know a higher level before any scott's brought up on good point because you and I talked about tipping points before and And you know that's that's the question. I guess are we already there or we add that to big point? Are we passage a big point you are so I think you kind of I think you kind of do and it's when did you keep that? That kind of question comment It's absolutely true and it's it's true already I mean I'm looking at we're looking at on City Council tomorrow night They'll vote on whether or not to increase You know a way to be a bunch of minimum-made Shelters that are not making 12 something an hour It'll probably go up to 1550 that that and then we run into we get the city's not calling a compaction I'm calling a compaction because we're not running into that's when you run into the next level of wages and we aren't overlapping but The duties of the next level are all customer service based and the duties of our middle wage books are not So I think there should be a bigger space So where there are all kinds of things now that we're already running into so I think that's a good point to To make that you know where we I'm not opposed to people getting paid better for what they're doing But if it's not coupled with the other books above them also Receiving Consequently better pay for what they're doing then you end up with dr. Bull Yeah, and then you end up with fewer you know You end up with you end up with the same amount of money then you end up with fewer staff members But that's what you mean for so I think we're already there You know, I do think is predicated on existing Yeah, we're getting new positions by using the highest end of the city sellers That's true I don't think that's going to happen any in the near future. They're doing some job audits But I don't think that's going to come to anything see when I think it's just the middle wage level that's being affected What's what do you mean by contingent fee? a contingency would be like It's analysis to say that this could be up to 10 percent higher and then you know put a contingency on it Just like you put a construction project. Yeah That that's totally common as we could include some kind of range Based on things like, you know, I put in this is based on today's market conditions and historical Potentially a major there's lots of things that could you know, the other thing if I could comment That has been historically If you considered adding a a risk slide to your presentation What do you mean, sir? So that Here's your base analysis, whatever you come up with and then you have a slide that says here are a risk to this base analysis Base analysis one risk would be inflation That's another Yes, I got our next I don't see the limitation We might need that so Pretty much what we were just talking about that Yeah No, that so so where my head was at. I mean those are good risk things But you know another risk might be delay You know if you delay making a decision on this and you try and make it three years down the road That would cost some of this work will be all shot that No, just be there just so So just to follow up on some of those points in I I understand your your point where you say you're not asking for a decision in this meeting, but I think it's important Your audience understand what Concerns you have With the data in the study Not necessarily. It's it's not put together correctly, but here are the risks that you have Um come across or you've thought about as you put this study together And I would say inflation's one. I would say delay is one I would say Uh, you know what the labor market is is are there enough, you know Capable people coming into the labor market to satisfy this You know, there are this is a very dynamic time that we're in and I don't think it's It's unfair to at least point out to to your audience some of those risks I think what she was talking about the great resignation and that that is affecting it hasn't affected us yet directly, but it is affecting A lot of library and a lot of library directors because people are often now choosing to Do something else other than face-to-face customer service Because you have to be really scared from the pandemic You know a lot of folks are thinking well, if I could do a job instead or I could work at home and not Be forced to work on this public service desk and be exposed to Pandemics that would be a good thing So we are getting some of that and we are seeing some of that as we survey staff as to the OS staff Request more and more, you know, what can I do? How much can I work at home? What can I do out desk and our answers are not much For a lot of staff because if your job is to do face-to-face customer service It's hard for us to make up things for you to do at home. How much of that is burnout though? Um, I think some of it is But we don't we don't end up, you know libraries traditionally Good libraries don't end up with a lot of folks. They do because of burnout people let people stay a long time Yeah, but we just had a pandemic That's why we're saying We've got you know more retirements definitely we're seeing you know a greater if an increased people often I know people work for me in libraries have been 84 years old So so you're not seeing that anymore people are retiring when they retire when they're able to retire So that's a change So I think there'll be plenty of critics out there that will assign risks to your work So I wouldn't worry about that But as the creator of the study, I think you have an insight in terms of Things that you thought about as you were putting the the numbers together that you said, hey, you know this I'm making this assumption. But you know, this could go the other way on me and that may change the study in this direction That's what I wanted your help and understanding Maybe we should move so we only have a half an hour left Sure, all right, maybe we can maybe we can continue to move through anything we'll think about those questions Excellent Think that came up thematically Everything that every school burn the library or something, you know So it doesn't this is what more life of the baseline maybe should be 65 hours a week But if you all discuss and see where life's been what we really want is this initial The idea that you know at your branches, you might have a quarterly matches, you know people's like You might have like Warnings And that's something we've talked about the staff a lot is that interconnectedness of all of this because we know that we're low on Our staffing FTE We know that we need more staffing like yesterday, but we have no place to put anybody So that's that's one of those things where I'm thinking. Oh, we have to Apprentice with with so decent staff space because we have to be houses of staff We literally don't have room to put one more by So, yeah, they're based on the discussion Uh, and so it would be that this is great I was like, that's not generally how that works. Usually you start high Yeah, I'm so much stronger argument I have much greater champion in our south branch And you know, that's that's a bunch easier to use no conversation They tell me back and say, hey, you know, you gave us one branch. Do you want a third one now? So when I say it, but I just I do think, you know, even $10 per capita It's a district would be a terrible partner even though They don't play well with others even It's not a great show Yeah, and so, you know, some of these things sound like great ideas. They're not the things that we're going to suggest in this kind of disability So in a monthly national library authority, they have looked at doing this You could potentially they've got the study like they did their version of the study in 2018 So it exists out there all You're talking about Boulder, right? Yeah Yeah, we're very well versed in what Boulder's up to Yeah, I would say I don't think it's dissimilar though to the to the You know studies that we did in in Bellingham I think there was a there's a different there's a definitely difference in communities and community mindset You know, I think that you know, there was a good reason why even though economically it probably made sense That Bellingham public didn't join the camp Because you know what the county would have just a different focus. So Something if I get pushed back on this Lots of things in case we get pushed back on that What this comes down to is that there's really two governments. It was just meaningful like Is that So Well, it's really just four options in terms of governance So where are those numbers? Three point it's three It's three point nine three point nine 20 million dollars And the the biggest Most of the challenges and complaints that I have read So far our people saying well, no one's told us what you're doing with the current 11 million So is it are you are we really going to be paying 31 million dollars for the library? Or what's happening with them? So whatever happens here, I think it's really important to specify what happens with the library's current budget So is page 35 incremental numbers? So so uh option four it would be three million dollars over what you're spending now And understand because it wasn't labeled so option one would be to be a baseline We would we are short by about eight hundred and eighty thousand dollars, which is what we thought What we've just started looking at this just to reach baseline So you're a little under a million dollar short a little bit harder, which is what you're saying Which is what I said eight hundred to two million. Okay, so that's kind of yeah So an option one, yeah Yeah, two would be bare bones library district So you would be adding one million one fifty and then you have preferred Municipal and preferred They're both around three million that's so Add it on to the program Yeah So we had We thought it by eight. This is about seven except any way we're talking though We don't there are some costs that we don't know yet If we're looking at branches because you know there are branches and there are branches, you know I could 1200 square foot bridges. I had 35,000 square foot branches. So there's a huge difference in Cost and operation. So that would have to be more specific. So To get to numbers, which would make the numbers go up. This is this is basically an extreme difference between city governments versus Eight for those services, right? But then, you know, what we're really this is really about is making sure we have what we need I think that it is important to point out and like you said, I've been trying to try to be switchable and through Most of this but it is important to point out that you know, if you're looking at City revenues, you know, municipal revenues, they would have to be You know, there have been instances where the library is asked for additional city revenues and you know, they've been given and then removed So not that dedicated directly to the library libraries often have been a part of they talked about this in belligan Talked about, you know, yes, we need work in the library But we also need to do more business in this and we're going to log it into a quality of life type tax and that You know, it's kind of arbitrary From library's point of view, how much of it goes to the library after that? Well, the city is, as you know, it's reorganizing and you're going to be a thing called culture and recreation And that's a very different structure than we're in Europe sitting today And we don't even know what that's going to really look like Budget-wise and structure-wise in the city Well, the libraries are always kind of the odd man out when they're in, you know, City organizations because of not being, you know, seen as a happy revenue generator So it's always difficult for libraries to be kind of in competition if you were with Revenue generating entities because we're the opposite. We're trying to take away our fines and our other things that generate revenue and create inequities. So We're in a different spot. Yeah When we met with city staff, they were all excited about how much money the golf courses are making So You could also use something like we have a thing called next light here, which is an internet service In five years that bond is paid off and and they're not going to lower the rates And that is about an 80 to 90 percent gross profit margin product It's going to produce tens of millions of dollars a year of profit for the city and they're going to keep it So the city thinks along those lines here. We have a very Revenue positive city management So they're very aware of where where where they can make money So not but not just, you know, doing sales tax in the usual ways, but they also look at services They can charge for so and I think that's good, but I also think it's bad The cities are not profit centers Government should not be a profit center I I don't I don't think it benefits the government at large here, so to speak But what we are pretty good at is socking money away in places that I wouldn't call it hidden, but it's definitely It's a put in reserve. We have a lot of reserves in Longmont. We have a very conservative financial organization for the city of Longmont, which has actually served us really well in the past Yes, and but it also means that Creativity in these things is not is likely to Be findable as it is in other places. And I'm very familiar with Even this community but other communities where I've been where they have combined, you know Senior services and libraries definitely recreation and libraries I'm completely not opposed to doing that But what almost always happens and what's happening here Is that the library was brought in as a thought at the last minute to try and increase The positive thoughts about the happy thoughts with the community. And so they do but and I would not be Opposed to doing like a library rec center for example, but that would be with the condition that the library isn't on the ground Or the planning and it's not Checked on the end. Yes So Checked on the end to get both for something else. It would have to be a well far out Facility and some of them, you know, I was in the planning of that when I was working in Santa Korea And that was a good 10 years ago. And guess what they still haven't built it So it's still being our you back and forth and that's 10 years that they've been arguing about this one This one center when they could have built a you know built a branch or put a branch in a retail strip years ago so So so Question is are we going to have another time to talk to her before city council's meeting probably because we have a So 26, yeah, so we will be able to meet with you again any before that Is she coming in for the council meeting yeah, we should schedule one right before so here's why I asked that Um, you know we met with city staff's city management, right? So and They were pretty clear that they wanted some fairly clear Assumptions, you know, like not just here's some dollar amounts. I mean you can you can probably extrapolate out of this And now consultant feasibility study at any library I've ever met is going to say, okay city You should do a district right city But what they what they are kind of expecting is a one slide of bullet points So that's well, the basically says here are your choices Without you know saying here's what you should do, but a very clear imagine barn bagley trying to look at this, you know Um, because that's you know because I'm I like using as an example because he's a skimmer and and these guys are super Super busy and they don't have a lot of time. So you're better off Taking this stuff and put if you could sum it so I don't see a summation Slide in here that makes it very clear. Not even executive Not even well, it's kind of that thing at the front of your college You know, you're 50 page term paper in college where you have a Page and a half of here's what this says. Well, I do know whenever whenever I start whenever I used to start companies I would when I'm talking to venture capitalists. They are our venture capitalists That's what the city city council is. I always had I need always had a slide in there That was very clear. Here's what I want. Here's what you can get And here the you know, the best case worst case milk by case type scenario I still think we need the rest of it though for the people who do read things because like I I was looking at like cool and ice and a few other things and I'm like, well, where these numbers come from I don't think I don't see the list. I don't like the one who looks and says, where did you get my signature? So I can I have to make a lot of assumptions because right now what the city council has not told us Is whether they have a property? Yeah, there's only two choices sales sales tax and property tax and the other two choices are That's what they think. I'm telling you what they think. Okay. This is what they told us so and then the other two things are We keep we keep the money that the property tax If we go all property tax for the city and do a district And we can we can mix and match things up if we keep it a municipal library and we keep control of it This is jim golden talking who's the cf? City of all of it. Okay. Yeah. So if it so if it stays municipal then then it can be a mixture Of property tax and sales tax. Yes. If it's going to be a district They're they're keeping the sales tax and you're going to have to raise all that money as much. Yes property tax So that's and you know a whole bunch of other controls So those are our really only our real choices, but they want to understand They they would like uh, they expect this plan This is what harrell says he's he expects this plan to have a fairly clear They should be able to walk away from That presentation with a clarity of what they probably should do And I think we're close to that It's we're getting closer. I just I'm just I like I like that final slide. This is here's here are your choices You know It's very complex So, uh, we have a council member here. Yes, why don't we ask her what she thinks would happen? I think it's really powerful to to see the full analysis Um, it's also what the recommendations are of the steering committee Um, so I am a reader. I sit on our bargaining team for our so I go through our master contract We go through all the land. Oh my god. Look at the data. I feel for you So, you know for me, I'm I'm very detail oriented and I know that we have other folks on council who are who are the same um, so I think the one that I felt was really powerful was looking at this This is there we are where how how are we just how much are we putting into our library? In comparison to neighboring Cities, well, I think some of those things that she listed like that were 93rd in funding per capita of 112 libraries in colorado It was pretty powerful. That is pretty good. Do we really want to be 93rd at 112? Yeah, and so I think it drives that that message home, you know as you're prophesying All you know all this information and then it's like, okay Well, if we want to get to where we're comparable to our neighboring districts This is what we need. Yeah This is what the steering committee has said we need at least 50 50% baseline at least that 50% And then optimally was it was the 70% And I don't think we want to really have I mean, yes, it is nice to have that slide at the end and here's your choices But it's not that important But the thing is is then there is a risk in adding that piece in there because you'll have some people And actually I'm trying to think of personalities on council right now. That's really helpful. Thank you And I I think that You know, most everyone on council if not all Really want to have an adequately funded library For those of us who are in the social justice realm and just fighting for equity The library is the way that meets those needs It is because they offer free services and it brings it's a hub for And we you know, we want to have it multicultural. We want to have it comfortable for Folks from different backgrounds and language that they can come in and in order to have that happen We have to have the funding To back that so I think, you know, it's really creating this Building up that narrative This is what we want to get You know, then this is what we need So you were right I have a question Has has there been any kind of like a hybrid of municipal and library district In in any of the research or anything that you have seen in communities And Any money or For the taxpayer as far as lowering that what they put in for this district That's what I was kind of looking at. What can we do to kind of break down that cost and maybe core, you know Connect the two fundings from the city and the district It seems like what has been important in in areas that I've seen and you know, like I said, most of the complaints ahead of time about Boulder are You know that they didn't seem like they expressed a plan well for what they're doing with their current budget And so, you know, some some entities have have literally given the money back to the taxpayers Have said, okay. Here's our, you know, here's your current four million dollars and you get a all of you get some money back And that's one option that you want to just like lower your sales. Exactly Something like that. And then the other option is that you have a well thought out plan of where it's going And you say, you know, because because we need more for this human services, you know option or housing or You know homelessness services or whatever But I think, you know, whatever whatever happens It's really important to have a plan for what happens Yeah, it has to be very clear because I just think that This would be going to the vote of the people. Yes, so then they have a right to know what happened They have a right to know that I think if there are too many questions Yeah, one of the things that I heard from residents folks that I talked to other teachers families With the rec center Is that there were too many unannounced there were too many questions as far as the messaging That went out. So as long as the messaging is very clear This is what we want. This is what's going to happen at the end. Yes, if we have this piece I think that that adds that clarity for the vote And I mean and I mean most of the people it's like, you know, you're you're pension pennies here Yeah, that's It's kind of what we're doing. So we don't have that extra expenditure So the thought of an additional tax is very Unnerving especially with high inflation and there is going on right now. So that's to see In taxes is Very, you know, it's very real. So people are very aware. So so is Harold particularly Harold brings us up regularly. He says we can only tax people so much and then they'll just say, you know No, yes, that's it. I was a director in perm county where they had the past tax of like 20 plus years. So So In this because I've noticed when I walk for the middle of over rights for the school And the bonds we're able to get those passed because the messaging is very clear This is what the money's going to be spent on and I think how the um, the district puts out the The flyers and what goes out, you know, then they also Coordinate with cba car education association. So it's a joint effort. So I think when we are going out there It's very clear to the voter What this money is going to be spent on and the return is for our children So I think library, you know, it's the same I think it's not like asking for something frivolous. This is something that's very necessary to any community So I think, you know, the messaging and and the timing of what what you bring out and like you were were saying So you're not really hiding any information, but you're being strategic in how it's being Disseminated We were asked in you know, primarily case budgeting this year and last year to you know, this is like the easiest thing I've ever done in budgeting is to say, you know, how do these budget requests affect equity And you know, I think oh for once we win, you know, because I think yes everything we do is about Is about equity. So, you know, I think It's providing low-income people an opportunity to to attain literature to attain literacy Literacy build that literacy is so and that's what really levels of that playing field education Yes Um, yeah I totally agree with this in the Chicago area before I left There were a number of communities that put two separate Items up one was for buildings and one was for operating and a lot of them Past the building measures and not the operating measures. So we literally one of them Built built as a whole second floor on their library build the library and they cross and take off the second floor and said And said, we'll see you up here when you pay for it. So And it worked. Yes, but um, you know having those things together is really important because they're all definitely Yeah, but then I know that bolder is also having discussions about you know, which of the buildings They would be expected to pay for which are the buildings the city would you know often cities give you Donate or make you pay a dollar or whatever. And I know that the current library building here has some kind of Leveraging with incumbrance with Village of the Peaks. So that's that's something we would have to be Ticket into a consideration as well, but that is up in five years So I appreciate your extra timing and I want to keep you too much longer, but we will definitely I think need to go over Some of the questions that we have And then we'll try and read again if that's possible Yeah, that'd be great Thank you so much I have questions too, but we have a lot more meat to this now to So you want to go to the questions before we go to the rest of the right? No, I want to think about it You want all my questions now or again? I'm not sure we can't answer all of this. So it'd be good. That's if you could you could write them all down We get some high low list We can do that I think we'll have some so we skip to feasibility study update first. So Um, okay does anybody want to say anything about this before we move on? No, sir Ford. Oh no, let's go back to the beginning We have to approve the minutes because we jumped her again to this Everybody have an opportunity to take a look at the main minutes because I can't I move that we approve it. Just are you comfortable with these minutes because I'm not sure if they reflected everything that I think they reflected enough of a lot of it So you're comfortable because this goes out. Okay, so I'll I'll vote in favor Fall in favor. Okay minutes are approved Just You're just barely there. Yeah, you move around between the sheets Um, okay having said that then and um, we've Kind of did what we thought we were going to do a feasibility study director before we okay, but pretty Pretty short and sweet, but we have a lot going on still Without instruction project our second floor if you haven't been lately is still Close but the project is moving forward at a good pace and is Probably slightly ahead of where we thought to schedule the fee We haven't had the horrible surprises like we did on the first floor and work When they tell you stop don't move a card over that crack in case We didn't even want to know what the case was downstairs So we have many many many cracks upstairs But they are The individual cracks are less serious than over there when it's upstairs. So they are Pretty much done with all of the grinding and that glass and glass stitching that they did last time So stamp will be happy. It's been a little more difficult since we this time our office for covid We have patrons in the building and staff. So we're you know shouting about the noise at the patrons We have people crammed downstairs and they have a place to sit et cetera, but they've been remarkably Patrons have been remarkably appreciative about what we've been able to do so That we we've stayed open instead of closing to do this and that we Accommodated them as best we can so second floor is going really well We are I think Probably the most excited about the fact that we were able to carve out a much larger computer lab Upstairs so that's taking shape. I think they'll be standing on my desk tomorrow morning with some kind of wet stuff And drilling holes for power and data They said there's something with a slurry and they'll have to come up with good plastics And I'll be able to plastic sheet tomorrow Okay, so it's it's exciting to have that happen. So we just haven't had a good Really good lab space and we've even seen a difference in our Temp space, which is now in part of the meeting room that we had a much more enclosed space up there before And for a lot of our folks who struggle with some mental health issues It's just just not having that tight proximity has been very helpful So we've seen a lot of folks much more comfortable if there's some distance between them So the glass the glass panel walls that'll be around that those are Just waiting for it to be done. They're in and we're sitting waiting. So We're looking forward to that. We've had a lot of repainting done We have staff has really pitched in like they did last time We do have movers, but staff has done a good portion of it as well So we've had to remove every single thing from every bottom shelf and then all of the smaller shelves upstairs and put it all back and Clean it all off. So just fine little dust on everything. So Um But when it's done I'm just really really happy that we've been able to use some of these cosmetic things and not just the infrastructure repair Because if we closed for a while and inconvenienced everyone and then opened it up and it didn't look any different Yes, it'd be really really impressive. So Do you have to do any changes like as far as ADA compliance? Um upstairs not upstairs. We're pretty okay I know that both of our elevators we need to be rebuilt and that would be happening pretty soon. They're not great Are we probably have more staff ADA issues than patrons? So I still have concerns about some of those. I'm not even talking that about bathrooms and that's that's an issue but you know Should we have I've had Multiple folks who've worked for me in other libraries and wheelchairs and this one would be tough Because the only staff entrance has steep stairs They go to the back. Otherwise, you know, you would have to always call someone to come let you in one of the other doors or You know have it have something set up or someone lets you in the other door at certain times And you know, that's not really something that you want to we want people to have an equal opportunity to get the thing So that's that's still a problem. So Um, I mean, there are definitely still some things that this building could use Unfortunately, space is the largest of them. So I feel like we've pretty much Eeked out as much space as we can get since we got the construction folks to uh There's an empty building right over here called the creation station Yeah, that was I don't know It's it'll it's not could use it too much So because we have to put at least two two staff rooms over there. We can't just put one So that's a traffic issue. So It's a safety issue for us if we put one person alone The folks in that building because we have some folks that it can be problematic. So so Can you use it for offices? Possibly except I asked Sandy about it. The person has to run down the block I asked her and she said well, we're thinking about a co-working space for Uh employees I said have you thought about it? How about a studio for lpm? She goes you'd have to talk to johnny And I and I thought, you know Or You know if you could use space I mean you have a building sitting there that has been underused for years It's not But I know I've been in there, but there's a limit to how many folks you can have in there for a program because I'm only having one washer So it means, you know, we just looking into that So we would need to have at least two washrooms to have more than like 10 people in a program So it's it's definitely limited. It's used. I'm not saying that it couldn't be used But I'm always worried that that you know, if we use this thing There's really is not at all ideal for our purposes and it's stuff Well, you already have a building so you don't need anything else So that's a that's an issue too I But anyway, um going along, um, we didn't think We'd be looking at completion until before maybe the end of may I think it would be a lot sooner than that So we're just looking at how the farmers is going harvest about three quarters the way through because Um, they did the more inexpensive option, which I understand it is ridiculously expensive to have a reboot all library Shell we can take everything off, but they're carpeting around the building with us taking off the bottom shelves and on the step So it takes a long time to to hand cut carpet around the bottom shelf. So we've had a few shelves fall apart, etc So that's kind of interesting. Um We had our five-level outreach coordinator, which is an already positioned for us. She started today. It was Kind of interesting because I said, well, you will have a desk upstairs when you have a desk upstairs because your desk is in a heat upstairs at this point So we had her stuck in the boardroom For now and she's like half covered in boxes of PBE still so So she's incredibly excited though. She comes and we stole her from from bullet above the library and she was Basically running the the notebook And she She's really hit the round right because she's she and I sat down to brainstorm and she heard the test She's going to be setting up her spreadsheets and making the list of contacts So it'll be great for us to have that kind of coordination We've got a scanner shot outreach, but because of our staffing issue, that's what it's been And it hasn't been recorded between sometimes our adults and our children's And so we're we're trying to have a centralized spot A position that we would love in the future would be similar to that which Pretty much all the libraries that were important to add a volunteer coordinator as well Because once again, we have people trying to handle So trying to use volunteers and if you don't supervise your volunteers, they are not of any use to you So we also struggle with that and then you know something that's a little bit later in the report But we've been talking a lot about Rare writing the other so many things I I think it would be useful for us to make a list of the things that we can't do With our current staffing and that's definitely That's definitely one that we've been talking about looking at the I think that would be excellent Because you know, I've written a lot of grants over the years. I think I've received all but one And I love grant writing. I don't have time to maintain a grant except for the state grants and those things Do you think that's all an option one? I think I you know, I think that pays for itself. So I think that would be no No, I mean that your list of things that you don't you don't think it would be an option one I don't think every no, I mean I would prefer to I mean I kind of look at the communities where I live in Yeah, when I was a current county in california, that's that's a poor county There are there are a lot of funding deficiencies there. I would have been thrilled to get to baseline But this is not that This is not that community And so you know, I look at this community and I say why are you 93rd out of 112 funding? And that what that means to me is that the library is not a priority And that there are you know in communities that are that are more well to do they're often larger Discrepancies between the haves and the have-nots and and that's what bothers me So he's making sure that you know, we have a lot of books that use the library I think we provide amazing customer service. I think we have a good collection I think for a lot of books that just put materials on hold and pick them up or use them electronically They say the library's great, but we don't know You know to what this is where are you are we to coordinate or come into? We don't know who we're not starting and when I I don't care anything. You know this I talk to this I don't care anything about people who just don't want to use the library I mean that's If it's not the thing it's not that thing that I care about people who would use the library, but They don't have transportation. They they feel uncomfortable. They are comfortable coming to a government building They feel like we don't have enough staff to speak their language, etc. So Those are things that we always consider so they're more option two things They just take the what are you getting at me? I don't know I don't understand what's in the base. I actually consider a baseline that If we are serving the public I consider That baseline we should have an adequate number of staff who are fluent in Spanish For example Okay, I'm just trying to understand it. So, you know, we've got these numbers out here and someone just would have asked me What's in the baseline? Yeah I'm not sure I can do that. Yeah baseline would be would would be A lot of what annie has based baseline on is you know, we would not be at that That super low percentile as far as the spending program So so I would say that our collection is probably Close to baseline our collection size is pretty good and our collection is is very well curated I would say we're close there. Um, we're not close on on staffing numbers. We are not close on probably Programs we wouldn't be anywhere near close up for those if they weren't completely funded by friends, right? For example, so I think there are things like that Would or were not It might be helpful to just start I kind of sketch out Because that question will come and definitely, you know, you look at those numbers of square footage per capita Just the just the the amount of space that you need for the for the population that we have And you know, can we you know, should it be a focus our focus is always inviting more people to come use the library And should we be doing that if we don't have any work with them? So Yeah, some or if we have to further you'll get that question No, we're basically just taken up with trying to Um, open up after coveted. Actually, we've had multiple Kind of fun things this past week, which is awesome. Um, I came in for a few hours on Sunday because when I take a few days off I have to work more to catch up. So Um, so we had the prom dress event. So we had we had about probably about 40 Um, you know the dresses. Yes in those words cool. Do we have some left? We're going to donate those elsewhere and then take up a new collection next year. We don't destroy them We had the staff member who made some really nice costume jewelry all kinds of so a lot of folks who didn't find a dress have spark mannings and Little hand bags with shoes We had a young man that came in and he was so excited to find a pair of men's Dress shoes that look like they've never been worn that fit him perfectly So so that was a lot of fun. And then we have our I don't know how many years went to the peeps contest Yeah, but but making things out of marshmallow peeps and they're they're very Um, literacy based so so you definitely have you know like worn peeps so They're little combat costumes and and so that's been a lot of fun. So it's just fun when I came in on Sunday just to see all of the Teens and then in their teen space which we didn't have till this year and then all the families just Looking at the peeps and we've seen a lot more folks. It's kind of anecdotal. It's hard to tell It seems like more and more people are coming in Because we're smooshed into the first floor But um, you're looking at our cirque stats from last year and looking that they were back up to the 2019 levels We were closed for six months means that we like other area libraries are gaining patrons says covid We have a lot of books that came in that said I haven't been to the library years, but I started reading again And it's just it's it's electronic materials, but it's not just that So it's been great to see more people. I hope that covid members don't pass things so that we can continue to have more Folks in the library. So and we hope to have our meeting rooms Back open soon since we've had to house our upstairs staff in half in our computer lab So Again at some point so maybe after The end of may we can start reading their support You should be I mean you can meet there now I just I mean that the conference room is the stuffiest room in the library It has like no ventilation and that's the one that has people lined up seated outside of it right now Um, so you have to keep the door shut and it's extremely stuffy. So, um Yeah, we can we can probably after we move everybody else upstairs. We can clear some of that stuff out of the board room and be back Yeah, that's not a problem urging them. I'm just saying June maybe yeah, you want to do that? Okay Tending covid that right. Yeah, everything depends on I've sort of been great coming over here at the end of the day and So that so that people don't come after me Yeah You can always use this space It's a nice face Um, okay Is that good? That's good French Are you the friend? Yeah, I'm the friends. So What's an interesting meeting They are doing their book sale and We volunteered this space for them And they keep over here and said no It was too small. I thought it's way bigger than what we've got available. Well, no, it's that Oh, it's getting the that's our elevator. Oh And getting some outlets of us. Yeah getting the books in here. We just went to So they're gonna try to do it over in the open space over in the civic center talking about that So that'll be cool. So that's what they're shooting for. I brought up the fact that they have a foundation That is separate from the friends. They didn't know that the board did not know that I think they did. No, the board itself. It's totally turned over. That's part of it And I said, um, you know, what are the chances of you guys doing this and they were they seemed really positive about it I think they are. No Prudence came up to no prudence came up to me afterwards and You were there set and she basically said yeah, they need that. She said crap about me So they said afterwards because they think they're doing too much already and they can't take how I'm doing here Okay, I don't know. So I You can do that if you want, but I might have re re uh Fired up the Longmont library district corporation nonprofit. I created a few years ago Um, I'm meeting Justin. Um, he's going to transfer the bank account. So yeah a few years ago He was going to be on the board and I'm going to call chris burton who Uh, he is the boulder, um, library foundation Oh, I have a bit, okay And uh, they have a huge they do 50 years old with millions of dollars So I'm gonna hit him up about Because before he worked for the boulder community foundation and I think he has um designs to create a boulder County library foundation So I'm going to see if he's interested in doing that and having boulder and longmont and looseville and Lafayette all of us That's very interesting. Yeah, I have a have a county library foundation and she would be sure I understand that that's interesting Yeah, so I'm going to meet with him Okay, um jennet sorry I was during committee for the jennet Beardsley. Yep jennet Beardsley knows him really well. She's going to join us their old friends so So I'm going to so I'm going to somehow see what I can do to get that's an interesting possibility to get a foundation started for the library Um, not directly related to friends, but indirectly That's it. And I thought you were very enthusiastic. I'm sorry. I thought so too. They were for a minute there They acted like it, but apparently they had second thoughts it seems to me Yeah, I I don't think prudence wanted it I think prudence is a no No, I just think that they maybe don't understand how it works that it doesn't entail all that much work on their part I don't understand either and they have it's a separate from the friends library. He has almost 40,000 dollars in it Just sitting there And that's why I couldn't figure out what eric was talking about when so we already have a library foundation so And that's the thing he came I asked him to come out He came out when I first got here and talked to the friends group the friends have had an almost complete turnover So I think that's where something about foster transit Yeah, the reason that boulder has a very successful library foundation is this one woman spent 50 years building it up That'll do it. That's what it took. It took one person being laser focused on it for decades So I'm assuming you could go on here. I'm too old and it's been 50 years on something Good career. Um, what's the date of the book sale? I don't know. I don't think they accept that I think they're also waiting to see how quickly our Project is finished upstairs Because they would be able to if that gets done in the in the Short-term then they could just have it back in the meeting rooms and spill out. Okay. I'll say so probably like some on that Of course. Okay. I think they're hoping for May, but I tell them don't know who chicken's always you Okay They've been it's been hard for them to plan because they really want to plan for this but I can't Like any construction project. I can't tell you exactly what I don't get that End of May That's what we're saying. We're saying late spring which is even more happy Actually, I have sooner than end of May I wrote down so let's hope so Assuming we don't end up with some May 30th, then That's tomorrow day. It'll be done by the morning I hope so Do you have anything for us? Um, so let's see last week council. We met as the lha So yeah, well my housing authority so we didn't have a regular session meeting the meeting before that though we did um Here the update for the sugar beet factory Yeah, just that update. And so, um, I don't know if you all know We have all working with growing up older and so our third graders my third graders My team they're doing the kids are doing a design challenge. I love it really just Prototyping what they would like to see in that space and it was really interesting to see so we had kids that Some groups did a um like a more like a children's museum exploration zone Different from our to our regular museum, but more where it was more interactive And also like having the VR of different things that they can interact with so that what is that? And then we had another group a couple of the groups that did more than activity um Kind of like a rec center it was interesting because they were putting in um ice rink You know, they did the research they looked at parks and recreation centers not just in colorado, but explored worldwide So it was really it was really neat. Um They're third graders. So we are stem school. So for years, I mean since they were preschool They've been exposed to that. Yeah design thinking the athlete So building empathy defined i8 prototype feedback. Yeah, so that whole That whole process. So it's kind of ingrained in how they how they operate um But overwhelmingly what we heard from our students was that they don't They're you know, they are anytime they want to you know water world boondocks anything they have to leave long So they want to be able to have these amenities here in town So they're not having to to leave So, yes Under the small children. Yes, please And um, and it was interesting because when we started talking exploring housing styles having type they all gravitated toward um like apartments townhomes More high density high density, but it was more condensed where there were community community garden Parks and pools that were nearby rather than the new urbanism stuff. So yeah, it was really interesting I mean and we as teachers do not do not Engage so what we do is we give the history. Yeah, we you know, okay These are the sites you're allowed to look you know look through kittle, you know You search through kittle you cannot search open google so like different those mechanisms But really when you are You know, they're they're visualizing what they want to see they research and then they come back with I think that has a child. Why would you not one of the next to all your friends? You've got this park right here. You have these other pools When you give it to a bunch of third graders, they come up naturally with new urbanism They do wow And and the other thing so our kids countryside building. Yeah, that's a spedanza They they live in a lot of yeah, uh, it's low income. Yeah, so they're they're already in apartment settings They're already in just close Connected spaces and they also live with families. Yeah, so it's like all you know, that's funny Yes, they're all they wanted spaces. So they want connected spaces where they have shared Shared community places. So that was overwhelming me what I heard what I heard And so that's what you know, what's it interesting when I hear from people who've been here for generations and they don't want to see the growth And I'm thinking about what our youth are saying. Okay, they're the ones that are going to be carrying this forward So we really do need to listen to what our youth is having to say the other one that was youth on Directed was last week. We had doing democracy day and it's um, so we had elected officials there Um, the mayor was there. We had a couple of city council people there talking with Talking with our youth and it was again, you know homelessness housing housing is a big Big thing and we're you know as far as council, that's one of our big challenges that we're we're addressing now It's just getting that attainable 32% growth in costs from last year Yeah, it's it's insane and um, I think colorado So I sit on the latino advisory council for congressmen to goose And we met a few weeks ago And um, and just really comparing our state to other states our housing costs are just skyrocketing What all about what other states are? The increase in other states I think we're third in the country right now on the state's go for growth I think I think so in terms of costs and then as far as pay Waiters were on the bottom. So our wages are definitely not keeping up with and so, you know Bargain negotiate with the distance. You're looking at quality of life Being able to live and work in the same place. Did you do that on kittle? Looking at the big stuff Yeah, it's insane Oh, it was amazing. I was really proud of that. They were really engaged. They were very engaged and so that was There's nothing kids that age like more than to be asked what they think Oh, and they lived they rose to that to that challenge Um, and yeah, so with the housing that that update Um Is the council talking amongst yourselves at all about delivery So there has been some conversation. I think we're really like looking forward to hearing About the feasibility with the feasibility study has to has to show You know conversations that I've had with folks. It's like, you know, really let's take an open mind approach You know, we might have our idea of what we want to see at the end But if we are truly a democracy and we are letting the people speak Then we need to hear and guide our policy So I try to frame it in a way that You know What what decision do you think they had made before I don't know I just I'm just throwing it out there I don't want to make it some use I just feel like when I first arrived here, I think the impression overall and not just council Was just that everyone loves library But then I looked at that disconnect between you know, I just got it got here on the tail of the first priority based budgeting We had nothing in the top 50 percent 50 percentile And so everything was ranked as is unimportant And then I look at the community satisfaction survey and there's the library second only to public safety And and here's this disconnect. Here's this note. It's and you know every once in a while So it would say something like oh, we have 30 000 extra dollars as a hot fund. Would that help you? We have but that's not even that's not a person So That's not it. So I I'm hoping that what this study addresses is really the that tipping point And that the deficit is is larger than people realize and yes When compared with pure libraries and with just the needs of the community So and the support that I have the issue I have with the priority based budgeting is okay So let's say, you know, we're looking at this percentage piece, but let's say that our our Indigenous population they make up a small portion of our community as a whole let's say and I'm just making this up but okay, so there's a service that maybe tailors to that particular group And 95 percent of that group utilizes the values that service But then in relation to the community as a whole it's a lot less than five percent So then where do we put our so we really we're really wanting to to fill that equity We have to look at how it ranks within those subgroups So really um, and I think you know It's that 90 something percent of people having a computer at their home But you know then looking at the coveted back to say well, what if all these folks have one computer or they have four people now? That needs that Priority based question always confused me because I really think it came down to advocacy It does Who is out there with their hand out the most? I think that's what the library And so and you know one of the arguments that we have in negotiations is when we're looking at salaries like you You budget And you put money into what you value that shows what you value. So if you put a small portion of the value that Something else comes to mind. Oh Uh, I'm going to move through some of these other ones because I think you've Been reading the news With respect to the Boulder library district, uh, big issues there occurred on april 5th and april 7th april 5th. They had a joint session between the county commissioners and the city council and Talked through what they had planned for their, uh, library district amazingly, they had over a hundred people waiting to be heard Count hall And at the end of that city council voted 6 to 3 in favor of moving the initiative forward Then it went to the county just the county commissioners on the 7th and they Didn't move at all They elected not to take a position at this point in time, which is is really a A death knelt to the initiative because You know, there are certain deadlines to be to be That basically they said that no, we're not we don't we don't want to do the district We're not going to approve it right now. You have to come back with these things or some But they still couldn't go around. Well what they did As they got the Johnny Kind of like the version of me there And she uh She was pissed off Because they the county came to them and said expand it out of the county, please Okay, well because they were going to do just the city and they just And they expanded out the county now the other thing about Then the county said there's a county back up. So they're pissed. So she's going back and she's saying listen We have enough people in they they have two thousand signatures. They laid a hundred. Yeah, you need a hundred signatures They heard a lot of no's they heard a lot of the anti-tax people came out And that's we're going to do any yeah, I know and there was one of the county commissioners the newer one that came over her name But um, she was kind of Claire levy. Yeah, that's the one she was actually quite against it. She really surprised me. So Anyway, it's the district or I read two I've read multiple things against the formation of a district or against the amount of funding they were I think it was a timing issue. I think with with You know inflation and stuff like that and people You know perceived that they were she was a big amount They didn't know how they were gonna impose higher taxes on this And be able to she said People are telling me they don't know how they're gonna stay in their houses Now that's that now that is kind of I mean extreme. It's it's $250 a year per Per a million dollar. That's right. Yeah, it was like 179 something for it. Yeah, it's $27 per hundred thousand Yeah So, I don't know. Do you ever eat at McDonald's either three times a month? Well, then you've spent your There it is. So don't tell me you can't really I don't buy that If you live in a million dollars, you can afford I don't know why is it she can also during the presentation Like hold together numbers about approximately what it would cost. Sure. And then her tax pay. Yeah, absolutely So I think because when you look at a large that is it's like, oh my god It was like, well, no, we're not asking like what are you? No, she can do she can do that, right? What would it cost the average? Well, we just found out the mill levy is our worth here We asked Jim and it's 1.8 million per mill levy. Yeah, so we would need somewhere between two to four So at the low end to I had 3.7 or something So Just just She actually had numbers in her her handle, but I'm not sure I understood how she got but And then she she referenced the $350,000 house and then the Scott's point It's not average is 675. So it was This is a lot of good data, but I If you were at 2.97 Let's see I just did the back and the end of the calculation and Scott did I say, okay. Well, that's 8 million bucks. That's that's 4 mills 0.51 mills for a thousand dollars. That's 178 out of $350,000 That's already wrong. I could say that's wrong. I mean, so and I couldn't tell whether she was doing incremental over Existing taxes That was one of my questions and that's that's the stuff that will Because somebody's gonna find that and they're gonna point that out and they're gonna say this entire thing is BS So you gotta be careful. She's gotta be on the run here. So So that's so that's I think What they did was they're they're going to force it through now If they're going to put it on the ballot regardless Whether the Boulder City Council approves it or the city county approves it. They're just like we're done waiting I understand that I understand you too because it's been like six years with them. Yeah, but do you Think that the county commissioners will actively Work against it. It won't matter because they're not going to do for a county. They're only going to put the city That's right. Oh, that's right. They said no, they're back to the city So that's new gunburn. I want any of that. All that's out And and we made it pretty clear to our last library district meeting that Two on my water representative that right now We're not really considering the county and if they want to be part of the district if we go that route They have to come ask us and convince us that it's a good idea. Otherwise Well, I didn't talk to David fernan about that and he said, you know from their cut He's the director and bolder and he said from their calculations That's not a monkey. It's not it's a wash pretty much the amount that you gain in taxes for my watt You'd spend on a branch because they're not going to vote for without a branch My watt isn't a weird Fair position is that is accurately this we don't we're free riders We we don't pay from the boulder library or the law month library and we use boats and we like it that way We like not paying for services. They're a bunch of well, which is but that's But which is why they're going to ask for a branch, you know, they are going to pay something and they want to get something for it So they're going to ask for a bridge But I would love, you know, personally, and this is just me Speaking, I think we really need probably two branches in the law month before I would stick on it The problem is that the problem on Iowa is that they Um, it's mostly older people without kids Their kids are grown They're wealthy They don't use the library, you know, they they use their kindle and they buy we have quite a few now my Residents that use our library. Yeah You know the ones with money and the loud ones that quite the majority of them this tiny minority that's very loud Are the rich ones? Those are the ones that were showing up at these meetings And I I'd say that we were some of the younger people in that room at that meeting you and I And it's 65 and 70 so I don't think that this you know, these guys were definitely not You know, if you believe in conspiracy theories, it was almost like county staff put an anchor into the process Because And I what really wasn't in favor of that by having them in the mix It complicates that and it brings in brings in the county Whereas if you just keep it within the city So their intention initially was just to do bolder. Yeah Yeah, so They were doing a favor to the county and the county screwed them. That's really what happened. Yeah, they didn't do many things Okay, so that's generally what's happening the bolder board to come This a long library district committee the the big news there was that you met with susie That was the really big news and she gave us A piece of our mind What she expected No, she was very gracious. It was it was great hearing from her and Then we also had a chance to meet with Some of the senior folks from the city Harold and Two assistant city managers, Joni and Sandy and jinkle And they all for them See soon we'll engage and we'll talk through the process I was impressed when we got on form to show up and one day First time we asked. Yeah, so they're taking that serious. So that's good. Yes Which which will probably come back when we talk about dates for when the presentation will actually occur Okay We understand what he is program so This is a carryover from last one probably I don't have anything specific on this right now, but but you know, we I do see You know, I brought one thing over because I do see great opportunities and You know, sometimes when we apply for them if they but I hate to have our criteria Based on what we can handle time wise And not necessarily on How beneficial the grant would be and that's where we are So the reason I wanted to keep this on here was was, you know, I don't see the board writing the grants But there might be things we can do to help the library At least point that aspect out when we talk to people that hey, this is an opportunity that's They could be addressed but if if Stapping or funding or a little different that you might be able to send resources that way that That actually makes money for the library and reduces The impact on the city. So that that was I remember going to a grant writing I was sent to a grant writing workshop in current lives in third county that had an 8 point something Million dollar budget for 25 branches. So that's how bad the funding is there It's spread out over 8,000 miles. So that was interesting But I go to this grant workshop and everybody else who's there are grant writers And I thought I thought I'm going to this to find out some, you know, ways that I could Somehow squeeze some more some more grant funding out and And we're like, well have your grant writer do this. I'm thinking well, that would be me I'll send a jig 25 with a raise But there we got every, you know The typical grant scenario is that they pay for stuff and not for static But that's always an issue in libraries because in current county. Oh my gosh, I get I turned a Old microfilm room into a gd testing lab because we partnered with probation That was a good a good grant to do because people went for their Start of other degrees while they were incarcerated and then got out and they weren't about to go back to Jingle in prison to do this But we got so much stuff. We had 3d printers. We had laser cutters vinyl cutters You know fancy sewing machine with everything for the most fabulous in space For the most fabulous of maker spaces and we didn't have any staff To run it. So that's why you gotta have a good community around 22 criminal works. It's the community It's not the So but when you're in a community that doesn't have high education standards, et cetera trying to find High-tech volunteers was not a simple aspect So I do want to keep this on and I will quick support information because it's a frustration Because I I think there's probably people, you know, we can interface it to the conversation Talk to the right people and talk to the community and there are there are some grants that There are more this discussion started because they're For a long time the any grants federal grants that Applied to library infrastructure and to you know buildings Et cetera had totally disappeared and now the last few years There are some federal grant monies that are available that are apparently under applied for That's a terrible grammar That I saw a whole bunch of libraries that are pretty well healed in california that applied for them and got them So, you know and some of them would be I saw one that was 17 million dollars, you know for let's let's build a branch Let's do this and so so there are some grants that have been kind of under the radar Yes, but that are available, but people have to fund their congress people Et cetera about them. So that's the type of thing I think where members quit out But is some of the if those type of grants come up is It's helping bring them to the attention to be the people who make decisions So Or is grant running such a unique capability that Somebody from shitty staff Couldn't it is a skill set? Well, and you need to know the end of you know about the entity for which you're So it's a special thing here. It really comes back to you and whoever And it has to do it. Okay, which I said I like doing it It's the I like writing it and the writing it isn't the Most time consuming part is the maintenance usually is then Oh There's always strengths attached So I did forget April 21st at 6 p.m. We have our joint meeting city council and school Oh, the top of the agenda. Yes, you bring in your shields and your swords I've never seen it I brought it up And this was badly done there and I said, you know, we have joint meetings with our county commissioners with our judges with our congress people State legislators, but you know, that's excellent. So, so, you know, of course I got a call right away. Yeah I was just teaching Well, you know That's the reason for that, you know, what that we don't yeah, well, I'm the reason we do good for you So Good for you. So we have we meet on the 21st 6 p.m. One of the agenda items is the library district We're also going to be talking about uh, ece e-school and child education and housing It's on there because of Tim Okay, well, and I I send it. I mean, you know, we was you I put library I put The library update I put preschool ece update anything that would have pertained to school district business As well as and for me housing, I really would like to go on wages, but I don't know if that would be like Bargain that faith because I'm on barbie team. So All right, yeah, really good that I have to draw my but um, but really yeah, that's great So, how do you think the conversational center around the library district? What do you think will be? I really want to know what what they know I want to know what what is their input. I want to know, you know The support that we have not necessarily fiscally, but You know, that's not the player Does it work for them or not work for them? Yeah, isn't it competing isn't seen by the school district? It's fairly for property. Well, okay, so that's the the impacts could be that nobody override piece because we are very good about Getting on the right path getting those bonds pass. So it would be interesting to hear what what the argument is I also believe that that's also good to know as far as messaging negotiating and You know, because we're buying for for community support Well, you know, it's good to know what you know what the present thinking is someone I want because that's part of the school district so that would be And it's something that they should yeah, and and I want So Indian Peaks is part of the night theater. So Burlington Indian Peaks sunset is a long month school The only school that is You know, they have the Elm Gaiwat elementary. Yeah, and it is like the numbers are are some feeders small Um, we do not have a lot of night want residents in the night lot theater majority that is coming from Burlington Indian Peaks Okay, so you can see how the the numbers of children. Yeah in that families in that night water Or about the high school the high school the high school So then all the kids that go to sunset All are at go to night. What high school. Yes. I got an entire section of a lot of us in that one So higher section of my lot I guess the question I start out I tend to start out with just your discussions with any group is just that I think people need to to think about and look into Why is student Colorado more than half of the library? There are no districts So it is funny So, yeah, so if you are available I feel free to open the public At the innovation center Is it gonna be broadcast or anything I don't know. I don't have no idea It's in person though, right? It is in person. So you have to ask LPN to do it because they have to send somebody Not that I know But they don't know about I think that would be a nice I think that would be something that would be nice to have for party Yeah, I mean that's what this is. They record these and put them a bunch. Yeah. Yeah So, um No, because I think didn't we have our legislative When we met with our county commissioner and our state reps was it recorded if you did on zoom it was We did it. Well one we did on zoom before If you don't ask then and we don't know that sandy and her team have to tell us I think Okay It's okay, I mean it's really that's kind of one way to get the word out to Important Yeah, I was really shocked that we do not have joint meeting with the source Because we overlock. Yeah Yeah, a lot of kind interest so we do that makes a lot of sense I think it's important that we know what entities What are our priorities? What are their priorities? For servicing the same community. She has an agenda. I want to put that page or so you can't go just yet. Oh So, uh, why don't you tell us what you think you know about the city council meeting on April 19? Oh, I know that I know that it will be on the 19th. Um, I talked to Karen and Earl about the work Karen left and Basically, that's what we found out that originally Annie was going to do this as a two-part thing And had a little different Division of what was going to be a part one and part two and then you know, harrell basically said he went in To reach this point By her presentation and so she's been working on the financials, but I was not comfortable Putting this up on the meeting without any of us having a chance to discuss it right and go over that That we really Yep, I agree. We didn't like that. No, we were not happy. So so I mean He was he he heard us though. He was like, you know, he promised you'd make sure So it sounds like it's going to be the 26th. I hope so He also mentioned may but it sounds like well The reason he mentioned may was because they felt originally that would be more that a study session would be more conducive to Allowing more time for for discussion. He told her to keep the presentation to 15 minutes You know, she kind of you know, blanched I tried to So I was not No, it's not but I mean, that's what she said and it really needs it to be that you need to tell me What to cut out? No, listen, thank you ledp, which is you know, one four I'm sad for a lot of long Yeah, no, they And granted, I don't want it to be as you know Long-windedism Well, I'm really long-winded this Is might be in order. Yeah I think I know that that if you don't have any background at all People are not going to know what's going on. What happened last time was we that's what happened was we didn't have time And we didn't have the exposure to council to go over We didn't have this and so everybody made assumptions and said things like You know, you're you're taxing the hellers up. You're building prompter and longmont. You're I mean all this stuff They made up and you know So I mean, that's the thing. I mean because we got a lot of pushback about why you have this long Situation assessment to go with it and I You wanted it You have to justify your position Even if it's even if most folks don't read all 68 pages or whatever It's there. So if they so if someone says, how did you come to this confusion? It's because the situation assessment on page 34. And here's where we got it. So And also you're talking to librarians or read everything. So I'm thinking, you know, I would be one of those people Okay, so so let's So she was planning to come in and hopefully Early and meet with the board just prior to that meeting This one last meeting this morning That's hopefully I mean I still think we need to meet before that. Yes, because we because if she expects to meet us right before the council meeting We have changes we so here's here's the difficulty though when we're looking at these dates and there has been so there have been So there were some personal issues with some personnel and the city folks office that have have made me well that someone had a death in the family so um It has been You know urged that we get things in even earlier for them for everything to be Compiled into the package. It's quite a job. Yep and reviewed. So I'm thinking For the 26, I think we'll have to have things in Total everything the whole package, you know the powerport presentation and everything finalized by the 18 So do we have a special meeting of this group for them? I think we need to have a start that's what we're trying to figure out The other the other alternative would be just to tell them You're not gonna be ready and we'll do it tonight And that's a change that's a change from my position, but I'd rather see it Well, this is this is what I mean. I think that we need we still have some questions I'd rather do it in May and have an hour And I mean it is not about I mean it's only I we bumped into this 26 provisionally because I had to get it off the of the 15 minutes is not No, so I think it should I think we should go for whatever whatever the third is I have to see which one which one is the study which one is the study session in may I have to look at this I can send that out a session. It would be council doesn't send me there. No, but I can look online I'll look online and send it to you guys which one is the study session Well, okay, so So my interest in edit in all this is to give this board enough time I agree to be able to send an opinion on The council The 10th is a study session quick question on Susie about study sessions. Do they do it in public might it be heard? Oh, yes. Yeah, just have one public invited to be heard Because And you'd want to be before the presentation anyway, right? Yeah, so that's fine And we would like to be able to say that we have seen The study and we either endorse it or don't endorse it Or would point out certain things To council that time may not allow to come out During, um, you know the normal presentation Tuesday, so the first Tuesday would be May 3rd is a study session I don't first and third Tuesday is what this website says. Let me let me go to the actual counter though because I know that like this like There's one of the weeks that there isn't a meeting The third is no week third is that a meeting? Yeah, so they get 26 and then it skips to the 10 Which is a regular meeting So is it the 17th then? So, uh, what are you thinking then? That's right Well, what do you think this will go if we say let's push it to May? If you push it to May 17th, we would probably have to have everything in a week earlier Well, you should have done as soon as you should have done But yeah So then, um, I think I think it would be done before then. I think it's a push Now considering that we have we have more stuff to work with but we also have questions and I think you know, she's really absolutely open to us helping to refine This information into you know, because different things work in different ways So I think she's completely open to having us refine this now. I always respect It's interesting because I've been a part of the lab for P.G. But I think this is a feasibility type studies and You know, I always want to refine the information. So it's understandable and communicable But you know, there's a reason we have an outside person doing this too. So I provide I will answer questions I will ask questions. I will provide information But I'm not going to say well, this doesn't make the city sound too good or this or this does or you know, this No, you're not you're not an advocate you're a resource So, so let's let's just assume 17th is the day. I don't know but we'll be or not. Okay, so then We would want to see it A week before that I want to see it long before that This month. No, I mean for a meeting. I don't think that's reasonable A meeting in the board. Oh, yeah, I don't know when it's our next board meeting 16th, but the six minutes I think we need a special meeting Whenever you set it for it. Yeah, just let me know. Well, it just depends on when we speak There's some set in it until we have the data. So No, I mean, I can set a date, but I need to be sure the date. When do we have a final? Well, I'm 26 for sure No, it'd be as final as it was as it would be My recommendation to you all is to try and hit the 26th And then if you've got extra time to floor run and talk to people for a week So you should still try and hit the 26th and we can start a meeting So then we meet the second Or this doesn't actually a Monday We could meet the second day special session You should I mean you're the only one that can talk to all of us. Yeah, I'll do that I can do a roll or whatever. Yeah, perfect. That's easiest And then what I will need from all of you too when I will ask in an email is looking at this you what questions or Suggestions for editions revisions deletions Do you have and then you need to send those to me not not you know, don't reply all I would say You guys are really good though. I like the last couple of ones. I'm very aware of such I love it. Yeah, so do you do you believe that we'll have it in our That little hands on the 26th. It depends on how many questions and how many deletions and changes and amendments you make Well, the answer is yes I will tell them after we send The answer really should be regardless of any of those things should be yes. Yes Okay, okay, all right I have to consult with her first to make sure she's available on base 17 To the 26th or whatever. No May 17 this is a meeting for the council For what to come to long line to her to come to those that to council on base 17. She should really be 70 It had to prove by council. She should really try and hit that date I don't know. If what's at your back? That they want them on the 17th They don't We just put it on the agenda. All right. No, I take that But then if it's go Because you're wanting a study session not a regular session. That's what I've been told that. Yeah We want we want a significant portion of that time. Yes, like Study session is better in a regular session. Yeah There are fewer things on the agenda because you're not doing as many things as you are going on And then the 26th of april is a regular session anyways. Yeah But I can certainly tell her that we want the finished product by the 26 Because I know herald's expecting that so he'll have a lot of questions if we don't have something Yeah, he was expecting it on the 19th But part of it is that I have never spoken to herald ever Until until that meeting would care about this So, you know, I did not know what he says he talks to you No, you said that we should no We should wander over to city hall someday. I'll introduce you to him No, no, no I'm not saying we have a talk. I mean we've talked like, you know, I'm here to pick up my holds No, no, that's not how we We did not have a long conversation about this. He made it sound like you guys thought so, okay We did we said I mean we had a conversation with He and carol and I No, this was like recently that you talked recently. Oh, okay No, it's like we can go. Well, the impression he left us was that his deadline was 19 Okay, I'd say we're done Susie if you really want to go Thank you. Sorry We're adjourned Yes, we are adjourned Oh Yeah