 Welcome to this taste today. I understand that you're all applying or interested in applying for a degree at SOAS. It's very good to welcome you here. Southeast Asia is a discipline that's been taught at SOAS for very many years. Burmese has been taught for over a hundred years at SOAS and Indonesian for almost as long I think. I'm not sure exactly how long. My name is Justin Watkins and I'm Professor of Burmese and Linguistics so I teach Burmese language and various subjects in linguistics and I'll be talking to you in a bit later but first of all I'm going to hand over to my colleague Su Chen who is our Indonesian teacher and she's going to do a small presentation about Indonesian and we'll do Burmese a bit later. Thanks. Okay thanks Justin. So my name is Su Chen Marching and I am lecturer in Indonesian and today instead of talking about Indonesian you know like Indonesian language per se I'm going to talk about Indonesian cultures as well okay and if you want to know a bit more about Indonesian language you can actually see the YouTube videos it's called SOAS language and lockdown and then you can type Indonesian and Indonesian grammar and my you know like videos about Indonesian language are there the two videos there okay so I'm going to talk a bit about Indonesian cultures and traditions and please feel free to ask anything okay right so so here it is what people usually know about Indonesia is it's a patriarchal country with the largest Muslim population in the world okay that's what usually people say when they hear about Indonesia but Indonesia is a lot more complex than that so officially Indonesia recognised six religions Islam Protestantism Catholicism Hinduism Buddhism and Confucianism but besides being the largest Muslim population in the world Indonesia also has the largest Buddhist temple in the world and it's called Borobudur so this is the interesting thing yeah um this is because Indonesia also in the past Indonesia has a very long Buddhist and Hindu history now one of the examples for instance Bali people always think that Bali Bali is not Indonesia some some of some of the people not always the some of them think that but Bali is actually in Indonesia okay so 83% of the people in Bali are Hindu and Hinduism has been mixed with animistic and local tradition so the Hinduism in Bali is actually very different from the Hinduism in India um for instance the Balinese make offerings to the ancestors and spirits connected with their local places such as mountains, seas and trees and because of the requirement the Indonesians must believe in one god the Balinese have to adopt the divine oneness yeah which you cannot find in India and the caste system in Bali is not as strong as in India and is now disappearing now what is Indonesian culture if you ask me um my answer is there's no such a thing as Indonesian culture because there are hundreds of traditions and belief systems there are over 700 languages spoken in Indonesia and the language Indonesian became the national language only in 1928 it is so Indonesian is a version of Malay and the language it's spoken is in Indonesia Malaysia Brunei Singapore and in the small part of southern Thailand so if you learn Indonesian usually you will have no problem understanding Malay yeah so you can speak with people in Malaysia you may misunderstand them a bit but it's not going to take long for you to understand Malaysian people and and also Brunei because uh two years ago actually I went to Brunei and I just you know spoke with the people there in Brunei and they they understood me fine no problem at all and also in some part of southern Thailand yeah they they speak Malay there and Indonesian language is almost genderless but the more modern words have gender and I'm going to explain why why Indonesian language is almost genderless now this is this is the most probable reason okay Indonesia has the largest matrilineal society in the world actually now even now okay it's called the Minangkabel and the total population is about 8 million and I'm going to explain to you what matrilineal society is so the family name I think most of you will have your family names from the from your fathers right but in matrilineal society family name and property are inherited from mothers to daughters yeah so the sons in this in this custom the sons don't really get anything yeah they will they will get something but at the discretion of the daughters okay so this is the matrilineal society in Indonesia which is which I think is quite interesting because Indonesia is known to be a patriarchal country and most of these people are committed Muslims but the matrilineal system has started to change because of the stronger Islamic influence now and also the stronger you know like patriarchal systems also also has more and more influence now and women rule the roost while men hold positions of political and religious leadership in this society so it is matrilineal but not matriarchal and in the past actually in the past women had quite high status in the in Indonesia yeah it was not called Indonesia before but in in these islands known as Indonesia now the high status of women in Southeast Asia had been decoded by European travelers especially during the pre-colonial period this did not mean that men and women were equal but they had different roles and women's fears were very extensive compared to their European counterparts during that period and women were active traders and had extensive power in household decision making and until around the early 19th century premarital sexual relations in the islands now known as Indonesia were not regarded as the boo and virginity at marriage was not expected and compared that to the European counterparts at that time yeah because in um in 19 you know like 18 or 19th century my goodness virginity was was uh like required at that time in Europe now however in Southeast Asia if a woman got pregnant there was a requirement that the man must marry her okay and this is another interesting thing about Indonesia so perhaps you think the Indonesia is a patriarchal country and sex is considered taboo but there was this one 15th century Hindu temple located on the slopes of Mount Lavu on the border between Central and East Java the symbols of male and female genitals it was so highly sexualized place this one yeah so the the symbols of female and male genitals couldn't be found everywhere in this place and um and indeed some European missionaries uh have taken notes the missionaries who came in the around 16 or 17th century have taken notes that the people in um on these islands they were just so um highly sexualized and they were just even some of them said that there were immorals because women women were naked women actually um many of them actually didn't wear cuffing on the tops yeah so that's why there were notes like that from European travelers and why have these diversity changed I'm going to have to tell you more in classes and of course I'm going to uh because I teach language of course I'm going to uh teach language in such a way that you also understand cultures and why the language is like that so while teaching language I'm going to talk about cultures as well that's all for me uh you're welcome to ask any questions okay thank you great thank you Susan um right we have uh we have no no questions yet I don't think so I'm going to carry on um and we do some screen sharing first of all um and I'm going to tell you a little bit about um uh Myanmar and the uh the Burmese we teach so just um as you'll all be aware Myanmar Burma has been in the news a lot the last couple of weeks there was a military coup there on the 1st of February and actually I mean it's a terrible event and things are changing fast and we are concerned and worried about our friends and colleagues in Myanmar um but for the people I'm teaching Burmese at the moment it's been incredibly motivating suddenly having this this massive event going on and the language learning resources that it's generated have been really um fascinating so we're all kind of galvanized reading material from Burma and Myanmar um at the moment so um what I'm going to do first of all is um ask first of all if you if any of you are interested in learning Burmese or Indonesian specifically do say so um we're not quite sure what aspect of Southeast Asia it is that you from that they're attracted to um to us and to this session so do please tell us more about yourselves um um Myanmar you'll see is uh in mainland Southeast Asia it's sort of the western edge of the area that we usually define as Southeast Asia um and it's sandwiched between Bangladesh and Thailand with borders with a long border with China and to the northeast as well so that's where it is and culturally it sits between culturally it sits between Southeast Asia India and China so both linguistically culturally um you can't learn any Burmese really without dealing with politics and Buddhism those are two um core features of um of the country hold on I'm just trying to find the chat channel which has disappeared wow too many too many windows open um I think someone sent a message in chat and I can't find it hold on a second there we are good so um this is the BBC News what I'm showing with you now is the BBC News live feed of events in Myanmar related to the coup and a very powerful image there of Buddhist monks wearing their COVID masks so of course we've got the COVID pandemic which has forced us all online and there's a reason why we're all wearing masks at the same time but the streets are filled with people protesting against the um the military coup and the BBC has Burmese language coverage of that and another reason for showing you this of course is to show you the very very beautiful Burmese script um which is one of the most enjoyable parts of learning Burmese it's not like learning Chinese characters it's not that difficult we can learn it in a couple of weeks and I'm going to show you um how we set about learning it um the first steps in a moment um but it's an index script which means it's borrowed from the script's design for South Asian languages so it's related to the script used for Hindi and for Tamil um and those scripts uh travelled with uh originally with um hinduism to Southeast Asia and spread about the region and were adapted to uh to be used for Southeast Asian languages so Burmese has its own adaptation um of that family of writing systems Thai does Cambodian does also old Javanese and um lots of other languages around the region but the Burmese script is particularly beautiful because it's been adapted to this uh sort of round shape and it's very very distinctive and it's fun to learn and um easy to learn easy to learn to read and write it only takes a couple of weeks to get going and so to bring those things together here is some uh coo related uh military coo related material that we've been reading in classes uh this week so this is a an infographic about how to you know how to prepare to go out on the streets protesting what's remarkable is that the protesting happening now in 2021 seems to be fearless and has a sort of carnival um aspect to it uh the last time that people were out in the streets in large numbers was in 2007 you may have heard of the saffron revolution where there were beautiful pictures of uh of monks um marching in long in long lines through the streets but that ended in tragedy people were terrified and the military used live bullets and a number of people were killed including some monks and that was shocking that the military should um turn violence upon monks in its own in its own country the lid seems to have come off now um people stop being afraid to express themselves around 2011-2012 and since then social media and mobile phones smartphones have become ubiquitous in in your mind and so the flow of information cannot be controlled in the way it could be in in um 2007 so information like this infographics photographs means um it's a sort of social media protest event which is uh fascinating so here the infographic I've shared with you on the screen there tells you what you should wear so down the left hand side you should wear a long sleeve shirt two layers you need a hat you should have jeans you should have shoes that you can run in easily I mean it tells you there's on the right there's five pieces of advice so um go to make sure you stay in crowded places don't go out and protest on your own and keep following the news and tell someone in advance where you're going and don't confront the police full on and make sure you get home before dark so then we've been using those instructions as a way of learning the um grammatical the the syntax and the grammar in those instructions which has been really engaging for the students learning and there's some good um some good learning points in there as well and it's great advice if you go on a protest as a student of course which lots of students do I certainly did when I was a summer student many years ago right what I'm going to show you now if I can switch to another set of images also on the shared screen so I'm going to tell you a little bit about how we go about learning Burmese and the first lesson that you come to these are the sorts of things that you'll see so we divide the learning at the very beginning into learning the script which needs to be done carefully and and we'll take up quite a lot of your attention for the first few weeks only of learning the script um and we learn the grammar separately um using a um a transcription system so hold on let me reduce that a little bit so we have handouts like this where you're learning really simple sentences it's hot isn't it it's cold isn't it it's good isn't it learning the basics of putting verbs together but Burmese verbs are quite complicated you learn the basic forms and and build them up and at the beginning we use a transcription system and so a romanization so that's a way of writing that represents the sounds in a way that you can you can read with a bit of help from from the get-go and then later on you'll be learning to write what you can say using Burmese scripts sort of after four or five weeks that's how long it takes um so that's what you'd see on day one um in week one let me give you a few bits of general information about what the language is like so I've taught you told you a little bit about Burmese script and you've seen that it has this beautiful rounded appearance and one of the things that these scripts of Southeast Asia and these index scripts have in common is the design feature which each syllable begins with an initial consonant so here you can see that's that's an M if I can actually can highlight it like that that's that's a letter M in Burmese and the vowel that follows the consonant so if you want to say a syllable like me ma me more or maung you add vowels to the right or to the left or both sides or above or below both sides on three sides and and each vowel has a has a particular direction that it's written in and the syllables are read from left to right so um it's an alphabet with some very funky design features which makes it enjoyable to learn this is how um in section two here you can see how the name of the country the two names for the country Bama and Myanmar which are more or less interchangeable you can see how they're written so this here is the letter ma this is the vowel R so that gives you this syllable here which says ma and then this is the B the consonant B that you stick at the front and that says Bama so but writing Bama and if we were doing this live in a classroom which unfortunately we can't do now because of the um COVID pandemic I would have you get out um pens and paper and have a go at writing the circular shapes of the letters to show you how um how approachable it is so one of the things we know put sometimes puts people off trying a non-European language and is a different writing system um and Burmese and the other languages that we teach with different writing systems are very learnable and we are well experienced in getting people to look take their first steps um so I'm going to move on for um lack of time that's how we write Myanmar and the other thing that sometimes puts people off having a go at learning a non-European language is if it's a tone language and Burmese is a tone language so most of the languages in the world are described as tone languages and if you don't already know what that means is that as well as vowels and consonants the pitch at which a syllable or a word is pronounced is one of the distinctive parts of its meaning and so for Burmese we've got some pairs here like the word go which is spelled like this but the word go means help so if you wanted to tell someone please help me you'd say goobah goobah and these little L shapes here L shapes here are to indicate that the pitch stays low so both both syllables are low in pitch goobah whereas the same uh consonant and vowel but said at a high pitch means it's a different word and means something else the tones are the high tone is represented in the spelling so you spell the tones in Burmese it's very it's much much much easier than Chinese and if you want to and this word goo said in a high a high pitch means to copy so goobah means please copy it but goobah means please help me so goobah and goobah and that's how it works and that's two of the tones you've got a low tone and a high tone here for goob and goob there are in fact four tones in Burmese there's two others that you'd learn but as I say the tones are spelt out in the writing system so if you learn how to spell you remember the tones and it all comes as a package The last thing before I hand over to you for questions if you have any is one of the other interesting features about the sounds in Burmese I said when I introduced myself that I teach linguistics as well so some of the linguistic and nuts and bolts and machinery of the language are the things that I find fascinating and I'm passionate about explaining them as well and and that's a class of sounds that we call voiceless nasals so in Burmese as well as a syllable ma you can also have a syllable ma ma so you turn your voice off at the beginning of the m and you let the air come out of your nose ma ma so ma is a verb that means to be hard there's something that's rigid ma and ma is a verb that means to order so ma there means it's it's hard it's rigid and ma means I order it so there's a bunch of sounds that have that sort of feature you can have and you can have and and you can see in the writing system there's there's a hook pointing to the left that indicates this feature in the in the alphabet so and and then finally slightly frivolously there's a couple of phrases that have a few of these sounds in them one of them is to say to blow your nose which is so is the Burmese for snot and is what you do when you blow your nose which uses two of these sounds and more seriously and capital investment in Burmese if you're reading the financial news the word for capital investment has lots of these sounds in it it's and again if we were live I'd invite you to have a go at pronouncing that and and saying the sounds it's all a lot of fun right so I think that is all I have to say about Burmese language teaching as I say especially at the moment Burmese comes with some very energizing and motivating live current events which has been galvanizing our language learning experience quite a lot and we try to keep in touch with what's going on in the country and what's happening culturally there are plenty of Burmese speakers in London so there's a bit of a scene if you're interested in Buddhism there are we can do visits to London Burmese Buddhist temples if you're interested in films we can have film screenings so there's a large Burmese population in London and I teach with a colleague who is an active speaker of Burmese Mathesim and you'd have classes with both of us I tend to concentrate more on the grammar and the mechanics of the language and she concentrates and reading and she concentrates more on speaking we divide things up that way so Burmese will be running next year as will Thai and Indonesian and Vietnamese the four Southeast Asian languages that we are teaching in the moment and I'll hand over to you now for any questions that you may have about either Indonesian or about Burmese or about the other languages we teach or indeed any aspect of how you can include study of Southeast Asia and into your languages and cultures degree thank you very much so do we have any there is a question from the audience member someone asked I think this question is for Sujin why do you think Islam has been so success in Indonesia and how did Islam or originated in Indonesia yeah okay that is actually a long question but I'm going to try to make it as short as possible this is really complicated it's wrong um why Islam was successful it was just um um it was a long story because Islam came gradually yeah very gradually and um eventually I don't know how to make it short eventually uh there were there were more successful partly because they were quite aggressive yeah because they they did it by wars they were quite aggressive to be honest and um yeah and they gained more and more popularities during the colonialism because when the Dutch came people considered Islam as a kind of a symbol to be against the colon the colonizer as well yeah so that's how they gained more and more popularity and um now I'm talking about the more contemporary period why it became more popular um I don't know how to make this short either but it is you know in 1965 there was um there there was a coup there was a genocide uh of uh of the of millions of communist people yeah and um at that time communism in in in Indonesia uh was considered you know they stigmatized the communists they they considered communists as basically as bad evil and atheist they're the same yeah Marxism Communism uh atheism they were all the same and they were evil full stop and the people who were fighting against the the communists was at that time a large part was from the the Muslim fundamentalist groups and out of that Islam gained more popularity after the 1965 genocide I think that's that's uh that's my short answer because I can you know this is like a very long you know it's not enough to explain in my understanding two sutures there's sort of polarization isn't there between secularism and um and Islam there's that the is the Islamization of of Indonesian has has been a polarization of of social values to some degree in some ways yeah I don't know it's not my area yeah yeah in some ways in some ways yes but it's a lot more complex than that yeah it's just it's a huge country right there's an enormous it's an enormous issue you know there's just so many things that's part of it yes but that's definitely part of it okay do we have any other answer your question I'm sorry if it's not yeah but yeah I mean I'm sure um Su Chen you could um direct the the person who put the question to some reading um places where you could find out a lot more about good um do we have any other um questions or comments from the rest of you um Anna Helena or Anna you're very welcome you can unmute and speak if you wish um and do you know do tell us what your um what your interests where your interests lie what attracted you to the SOAS degree and what you're hoping to to gain from it we would love to know more about you no are you there I can't actually see the participants just in how if you have to go to um ah here we are so right now you are Indonesian I understand is that right yeah okay do um oh I can allow you to there we are I can allow them to talk oh okay I saw it I saw them yeah right now Anna and there we are right now there we are sorry you were muted can you hear me now yes we can sorry uh yeah uh yeah I'm Indonesian but I'm interested to study Chinese uh yeah well the point that I want to see the session I just want to know how uh the Indonesian is taught uh in university in the UK and also like I'm curious little bit of uh Burmese the language right well well remember that um in your life and in the world the opportunities to learn Chinese are very very many and the opportunities to learn Burmese are very very few yeah so if we can uh if we can seduce you into coming to learn Burmese instead of Chinese um there will be plenty of opportunities in your life to learn Chinese should you wish to but very few to learn Burmese and it's especially encouraging to see Southeast Asians learning each other's languages you know amazingly there's not a lot of learning of other Southeast Asian languages by people in Southeast Asia so really really good to hear an Indonesian who wants to learn um learn Burmese that's great yeah thank you so if you're interested in finding out more I mean either about how we teach Indonesian which is um gonna be interesting to you or about Burmese do um get in touch directly I can put our uh email addresses in the in the chat so my I'm just in what is my email address is JW2 which I'm just trying to type as I speak there we are so if you're interested we can we can have a one-to-one session we talk anytime about about Burmese um and how it fits into the degree um one of the especially valuable things is that it's still possible to learn one of the Southeast Asian languages including Burmese and um depending I guess on the pandemic and the political situation spend um a summer or a year in Myanmar learning Burmese um and there's something that not many not many students um do it's only maybe one or two a year but it's a really incredible um opportunity very rare opportunity to study at um the Yongebol University of Foreign Languages if you want to have a sort of full-on authentic Burmese experience or you can learn um with private tutors and friends and colleagues of ours or a mixture of both um and that gives you the chance to travel around Myanmar and really absorb yourself in the country with um with relatively few responsibilities you know it's something that won't happen again in your life with the opportunity to spend a year somewhere learning language and and following your interests uh is it like if I if I want to learn for example like any languages in so us uh it's like is that the compulsory that I have to go like one year abroad to not at all I think for Chinese it is compulsory as I understand it you have to check with the Chinese teaching section um and I think you have to do you I think you can do a different degree in Chinese studies if you want to learn some Chinese and not do the year abroad but the BA Chinese does require a year abroad um for uh for Burmese um and Southeast Asian languages in general we we leave it up to you it's possible to finish the degree in three years and some people choose to do that and then go to the go to the region afterwards and either study further or get jobs with NGOs or as journalists or whatever they're going to do um and our graduates go on to do really really interesting things and so or you can spend a year abroad as a third year of a four-year degree come back study for another year and then and then do get on with your career after that so we leave it up to you because we know that not everyone is up for a year abroad it doesn't suit everyone's funding or life arrangements whatever they might be so we leave it flexible okay but it's a Burmese like for the BA is that like three years or four years well as I say you can do it in three years or four years and now you do it under the shell of the degree structure called BA languages and cultures you choose Burmese as your degree you can complete the degree in three years without a year abroad or you can spend a third year abroad and completed in four years there's two there's two formats that you can choose and you don't have to decide at the beginning you can decide halfway through okay thank you okay thank you hi what about um Helena and uh and Anna we haven't heard from you but uh you're very welcome anyway you can ask any question if you want yeah yeah so I just asked um you know I just got an email um Anna's email address because I'm doing the survey about COVID-19 so great yeah yeah yeah so anyway let's have more questions now so right now are you in at the moment are you in Indonesia or are you in no I'm in London in London yes yeah are you have you been living in London for for some time or over nine years okay so you've been over nice yes oh that's a long time yeah that's good yeah you live with your parents or here no alone oh okay okay yeah where are you from originally which part of Indonesia uh actually my family from West Java close to Bandung but like I grew up in Jakarta all my education in Jakarta oh okay so what did you do in London like for this nine well at the moment is I'm working and I'm doing some like a Mandarin course right okay good good and you've decided it's time to do a degree yes actually in 2015 I studied in san mary university uh well it was like a mistake actually after one year I just gave up I studied low okay ah yeah it was like very hard what what attracted you to to the sewers degree what did you what did you see that you like to look of uh I think it's like the location as well because I'm living in London and also like there are not many uni in London that has like Chinese degree right yeah yes and also I heard is a good uni I mean I've been there like before there's a lot of like international student as well and I heard that source university is a is a good university to study foreign languages um so Anna has asked a question which I'm very happy to answer live I think we've we've not got a great deal of time left but let me answer your question Anna so you've asked um whether you have to pick a specific avenue for languages and cultures or can you keep the degree quite broad um I think you can keep it broad um and you can you can choose to specialise in a particular language and follow that through the whole degree and there is also some scope for um uh for including more than one language within the degree if you wish so actually what I can do is direct you to the um I'm going to find the languages and cultures web page um which is here so I can show you how that's how that works and how how much flexibility there is and I'm going to share my screen again hold on a second I just move some things around on my screen there we go so this is the um languages and cultures degree page on the SOAS website and if you go to structure that's where you can see how the how the degree is organised um and in general we have um quite a lot of the first year is uh is fixed um and thanks Jeffrey for posting the link there so you'll be doing um you'll do certain courses in um languages around the world some training in how to go about language learning um how to write essays how to do some career planning that's language learning and writing some basic cultures about a basic concept of the um the cultures of the regions that we teach um and you will um normally choose a language as well right so you'll you'll you'll pick a language um in year two you start um specialising a bit more on uh literature or you can also take topics in linguistics there's quite a lot of um of choice um you'll see here the list of modules that we teach which are specific to different regions of Africa Asia and the Middle East which are the three regions that SOAS um focuses on um and here you have the list of languages that we're running and um you will normally have some indication of whether or not a language is available in the given year I we are pretty pretty certain that next year Burmese uh Indonesian Thai and Vietnamese um for Southeast Asia will all be available um we sometimes have Cambodian too that won't be running um next year I teach that as well but not at the moment um and then the other languages so African languages um Haric, Somali, Zulu and Swahili and then Middle Eastern languages so Persian, Arabic, Turkish and Hebrew and then languages of South Asia so Hindi, Punjabi, Sanskrit and Urdu is what Son offer at the moment on Yoruba is the other African language that we teach so there's quite a quite a choice and I think there is some scope um if you want and if it makes academic sense um for you to have a go at uh focusing on one language and maybe doing some of another language um if that's of interest that's certainly certainly possible so for example you might do one year of a second language in your final year if you want to um but uh you'll have an academic advisor to to guide you through your um choices on the degree and how to pick your modules as I say there's not much choice apart from which language you're going to do at the beginning and then you have a bit more choices you go through the degree that's how we've done it so thank you for the um for the question um do we have any more uh I have a question is it Burmese similar with Thai? No not related Burmese is um it is in that it's related um technically it's related to Chinese it's sign of Tibetan but it's like it's like Tibetan and languages of northeast India southwest China um and it's not related to Thai at all um and if you've done any other languages around East Asia so happens that Burmese grammar is very similar to Japanese grammar and it's not related at all to Japanese but it just happens to be organized in a slightly similar way okay normally because I was thinking that uh a country normally have similar language with the neighbour country that's not true in Southeast Asia there's a lot of languages going on um and there so there are five major language families in Southeast Asia whilst most of the almost all of the languages in Indonesia are all related closely or less closely but they're all one Austrian language family um in Southeast Asia there's a there are three big language families and bits of bits of two more so there's Tibetan and languages which are languages like Burmese Thai Kedai languages which are languages like Thai and and then Mon Khmer languages so languages like Cambodian and Vietnamese although Vietnamese has taken on lots of features that make it appear similar to Chinese in some ways actually Vietnamese and Cambodian are related and there are lots of um you know there are about a thousand languages in mainland Southeast Asia that most of them are from those three families and there are two other smaller ones so some Austronesian languages around and then some uh small family called Miao Yao so languages like Hmong spoken in um sort of uh western Lao south-west China a few in northeast in Burma and northern Thailand so there's another small family there so it's very very diverse lots of languages going on and they do share certain features even if they're not um sort of historically related you know if you put what happens if you put languages next door to each other for many centuries they do take on certain similarities even if they're not related so that's happened okay thank you question I could go on answering that for hours that's exactly what I work on good right I think we may be um at this point uh running yeah I think we'll need to yeah we'll need to wrap up I don't know I know Justin you shared your email address um with with students and Sucin if you if you'd like to share your email address in case you have any questions that would be great sure hang on a second I'm just going to write it down on the chat there and SM 100 SM 100 at soas.ac.uk here it is so you can ask me any question about Indonesia not any sorry I can't answer any question otherwise I get confused if you ask me about Burmese you ask you know about Burmese you ask Justin okay but also Burma asked Justin do remember that all our all our information is on the SOAS website and if you google SOAS Burmese uh or SOAS Indonesian our names and faces will pop up pretty readily we're easy to find so do get in touch if you have any further questions and similarly if you contact Maggie or the um the team um who've organized this event they can um the team um who've organized this event they can forward your inquiries to us very easily so thank you thank you very much for your presentation can I can I um make a one announcement uh if you are Indonesian there will be a talk actually it's organized by the UK the the the society in UK but it's in Indonesian language so it will be about Chinese Indonesian and um Muslim and Chinese Indonesians yeah so it's um just in case you want to attend uh you can you can see the information on my Facebook actually on my Facebook page okay thank you thank you very much thanks Maggie for organizing it so smoothly and uh thanks to all our attendees for your attention and your questions thank you thank you so much everyone