 Okay, we're back. We're live. It's Hawaii, the state of clean energy where we relentlessly cover energy in Hawaii. We are delighted and pleased and happy and honored to have the spokesman for Hawaii Electric today, Peter Rossi. He comes from Little Pieces, but today we have him for the whole half hour. This is Jay. We just were discussing this. This is the best cable program about energy on on Wednesday afternoons at four o'clock in the entire state, perhaps in the world. You know, I'm always glad to be here. It's great to have you here. Thanks. So there's a lot of news lately. I mean, you've been you've been stacking up news on me and I want to sort of cover it all if we can. Sure. And I guess the first thing to talk about is that you had seven applications in there for utility-scale solar, and you just had news that six of them have been approved. Right. Talk to us about it. Actually, we ended up with eight, which we got one that came in later. So, but of that eight, six of them have been approved, three are on Oahu, one is on Maui, two are on the Big Island, and these are all large for Hawaii, large-scale, grid-connected, grid-scale solar projects, and they all have batteries. And this is huge. They also have the lowest prices we have ever seen here in Hawaii. A kilowatt hour from oil today costs about 15 cents. These go for eight or nine cents. We come in there and, you know, we pass that on to the customer. That is really important. Yeah. We pass that on to the customer with no markup. We don't take a profit on that, you know. Any other business, when they buy raw materials, they pass the increase on to their customers. We do not. We buy the energy. We charge a customer exactly what we get. We have to pay for it. So that's all huge. It's going to be particularly, I think, important on the neighbor islands. The two on Hawaii Island and the one on Maui are the largest solar projects. They've had a lot of wind, and that's all been great, but some of that is still pretty expensive. These projects are going to be much cheaper and they're going to be large relative to their grids. What's large? They're in the neighborhood of, let me see to make sure. So on Hawaii Island, 30 megawatts, 30 megawatts, two of them. On Maui, we won 60 megawatts. So same thing in one unit. And here on Oahu, these come together to about 110, 120 megawatts. So, you know, a few years ago, it was a big deal to have a 5 megawatt solar farm out in, you know, Cunea, some place. Now the, you know, we're getting these 30 to 50 to 60 size. So, this is all good. There's one project that people have heard about, Ohana. It's got a little bit of a hiccup. Part of it is planned to be on agricultural land, prime agricultural land. And that's raised some controversy there. It's a reasonable thing to say. Do we want agriculture? Do we want clean energy? Well, we want both, but we've got to make some decisions sometimes. And it's the responsibility of the developer, entirely the responsibility of the developer to get the permits, to get that cleared. If they cannot, and the contract is voided, we don't have it. It's got to be that way. Otherwise you get hung up. Yeah, we get hung up. So they've got to do it. They're working on various ways to do it. The landowner obviously wants to have them be there. It's a good use for the land, which is not, as I understand it, actually been farmed in some time. So that's got to be worked out by the developer. And if the developer cannot, the contract says very clearly, and the PUC noted very clearly, the contract will be void and we will not have cost our customers or our company anything. You know, people... This allows certainty. Yeah. But instead of having a who shot John kind of experience, if it doesn't work, don't do it. Well, exactly. And it's always wise to remember on all these projects, Hawaiian Electric doesn't pay a penny to these developers until the electricity starts to flow into our system. So if any of these projects are held up for whatever reason, there's all kinds of timelines, there are all kinds of stipulations they have to meet, and they have to meet them. And that's their responsibility. Our responsibility is to do the, you know, to receive the energy and so forth. So there is no negative financial impact to the company or to our customers. So we, you know, we hope they get this worked out. But it's not an unreasonable question when you've got, you know, there's a finite amount of land, a finite amount of prime land, the ag land, there's a finite amount of places where you can put a solar farm. There are going to be some trade-offs in life. At any rate, more importantly, we've got these six projects, two more are still being reviewed. Is that six different developers? Less than six. Less than six. The two on, two on Oahu or by Clearway, who took over the NRG, and this other company that's doing CUNIA, AES is one provider, a company called Intergex is another. AES? Yeah, AES big company, Clearway is a pretty big company too. These are all well-established companies with a long track record. You know, part of our due diligence in going into a contract with them is say, are you going to be able to deliver? You know, anybody could promise, but are you going to be able to deliver? And we are, we feel, you know, we made a good choice. We chose these eight projects out of about 24, 25 applications. So we really could pick the best of the cream, you know, cream of the crop, lowest prices. All of them have storage, which is just so important as you know. That means that the electricity, it can be generated in the middle of the day and can be used four o'clock and five o'clock, six o'clock in the evening, no more solar, but everybody wants to turn everything on at that time of day, the visitor industry and residents. So that's, that's huge. That means we're going to, you know, even though we, we didn't move ahead on renewables this year because of Hawaii Island, 2018 was kind of flat. We did, we would have been higher, but because of Hawaii Island, we, we were level. That's where things happen. So we'll, we'll, we'll make, we'll be able to make our 2030, our 2020, I'm sorry, our 2020 deadline 30% by 2020. We're quite confident we'll be able to make that, probably beat that. And these projects by the PUC was very good in terms of getting these out the door very quickly. We filed them late last year. And here we are in, in March and they're getting back to us on most of them. Because there's some tax credits they want to take advantage of, and you have to move quickly. Speaking of tax credits and speaking of meeting, you're meeting goals and targets. There's a lot of talk about the legislature's failure to adopt the, the tax bill has been taxed the energy tax credit bill put in now for three years. And without a good reason, they seem like they're not going to adopt it this year either. And that's that's not utility scale solar so much as a rooftop solar. But it seems to me that if we wanted to reach a, you know, a cumulative number for a target date, it would be a lot easier if the legislature would incentivize people to take, take solar. Well, you know, I think more even than solar incentivizing people to get battery to get storage, if they can, if they can afford it, giving them a little break, that would be helpful. You know, a tax credit is always a mixed, mixed blessing. You know, somebody else suffers. I don't really know the ins and outs of that. I know that we are doing all we can do to, to help people get solar. We had 4,000 new solar systems last year. Just saw an article in the building industry magazine where the, one of the people from the industry is saying, you know, we've still got some hiccups and so forth, but things are moving along pretty well. Solar water heating is doing very well, which is a no, no brainer, as you know. So we're doing, we've got about five different programs, which if you want to put solar on your roof, you could take advantage of them. You can even expand an old net metering system, which you couldn't do without losing your net metering benefits on net metering plus, we have three or four other programs, if you've got a battery, if you don't have a battery and so forth. And our app, which I know we'd like to talk about our app is on the app, you can sign up, you can apply to put solar on your roof, you can follow the process, you can get the whole thing very, very accessible. Wow, that really demystifies it, doesn't it? Yeah, it certainly helps. I mean, at the end of the day, we have to go through certain things and that there are, it inevitably takes time, but you know, for a person that says, where am I going to get my solar? This really opens that up a lot. So we're doing all we can within the, you know, within some existing limitations, but and the other thing we talk about, we're modernizing the grid to accept more roof options. Before we go off the apps, I do want to take a moment and talk about your various apps, because one of them you've got an award for, and the more apps the better, in my view, technology is our middle name around here. So absolutely, absolutely. So tell us about your apps. Can I use that? Well, we have a Hawaiian Electric app and it just got an award for outstanding outage communications. You know, you don't want to have outages, but if you do, you want people to know about them. So on this app, you can get at the App Store, Google Play or the App Store. First of all, you can report an outage directly on there. Secondly, you can look and see if an outage that you're aware of has been reported, because it'll be on the map. It'll be reported there. It'll tell you roughly how long it'll take to get restored. And, you know, the map will show you, and if you have location services, you can set it up. So it'll tell you if you're going to an area where there's an outage. So the outage part of the map is very efficient. And, you know, outages happen just like plane takeoff delays happen. But the worst thing is to be sitting in the lounge and nobody will tell you why in the world your plane isn't taken off. And this is the same thing. I think people want to know, do they know about it? Are they going to fix it? How long is it going to take? And, you know, you want to, if it's six o'clock, do I have to go out and get dinner? Or can I will I be able to cook? It's not, you know, it's not rocket science. So that works very well. I think it's really critical in the sense, you know, we're looking for sustainability, looking for resilience, looking for ways to deal for the community or deal with storms and the like. And instead of having 500 people call you all at the same time and suck up all your staff answering calls. And nobody knows exactly what's happening. This really rationalizes and clarifies it, not only for them, but for you. You know, I mean, I know in the case of other storms, outages and the like in the past, we've interviewed some of your people. And, you know, they work around the clock. They all have their positions and posts they have to report to and deal with the storm, the outage, whatever it may be. And if they have to answer phone calls and deal with the vagaries of, you know, people who don't know what's going on, that wastes their time. This way with an app like this, they can get right to business. Yeah, you know, people can still call in just to be clear, but more and more people are very comfortable not calling going on their phone, going on their tablet and pulling up an app and seeing what's going on. And increasingly, that will be the way things are done. If you drive an electric vehicle and you want to know where the nearest fast charging station is, go to our app. If you want to get time of use rates, if you want to start service, if you want to stop service, all these things are now coming online in the app. And pretty soon, you know, as they say, emails go on, telephone calls are gone, apps are it, as you're very well known. So the recognition we got for this outstanding app is, you know, very nice and everybody felt very good about it. The important thing is for our customers. It is we're doing this because our customers ask us to expect us to. And we get more satisfaction from people sending a text or whatever saying thank you so much for your app than from this award from some national organization. We're, you know, we really, the satisfaction is in knowing that our customers and who are our neighbors and our friends and our family and immediately access us and get information, especially in the big, in the big disasters when the phones are down, you know, to be able to access on the app. Very important. It all goes to a culture point and namely that, you know, from the time when the princess threw the switch back when, you know, we've been our electric company and you're embedded into the culture and the history of Hawaii. Yeah. And it's like nowhere else, you know, and solving all these problems of finding a way to a better grid, you know, and doing solar and batteries and generally making, making energy clean and new and high-tech. You're at the center of that, but you can only do it in the context of the way we do things here in this state. And that's, that's the miracle. Let's take a short break, Peter. Come back and I want to hear a lot about your grid modernization. Okay. Hey, Aloha. My name is Andrew Lening. I'm the host of Security Matters Hawaii airing every Wednesday here on ThinkTech Hawaii live from the studios. I'll bring you guests. I'll bring you information about the things in security that matter to keeping you safe, your co-workers safe, your family safe, keep our community safe. We want to teach you about those things in our industry that, you know, may be a little outside of your experience. So please join me because Security Matters. Aloha. Aloha and welcome to At the Crossroads. I'm your host, Keisha King. I'm live at five every Wednesday where we have entertaining and educational conversations that are real and relevant both here in Hawaii and across the globe. I'll see you at the crossroads. Aloha. We took the break to talk about the corporate culture and I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to not talk about it now. Can you speak a moment about the corporate culture in Hawaii? Well, you know, we were talking before about our concern for our customers. Every single person who works for Hawaiian Electric lives in the Hawaiian Electric Service Territories. They use the same electric system as everybody else and, you know, we're out here in the middle of the Pacific. We have some disadvantages from that but there are some great advantages and, you know, one of them this company is 126 or 27 years old now. We've been around since the king, not the queen. The king through the switch and opened up Hawaiian Electric and, you know, we're very, very embedded in this community. We're most of our we have a very significant number of people who went to the University of Hawaii including myself. I didn't become an engineer but what did I know? Anyway, we're, you know, it's a very, very local company still yet even with, you know, a lot of hiring and a lot of people coming in. There's a lot of benefit to that. Yeah, no, it's what makes Hawaii Hawaii at the end of the day, so. But I would say this, I don't think we should ever forget this, you know, you go up to the mountains and you look down and you see all those lights and you then you think to yourself if those lights were not lit what would happen to us? Right. And so you're always there. You're always there. It's not that I think of you when I go to the top of the mountain. Thank you. I'm glad to hear that. I think of the company when I go to the mountain. Okay, all right. I would think about God a little bit, but anyway, whatever, you know, Moses might be passing you on the way down. But yeah, I think that's, it's worth pausing every so often. We do take electricity, so for granted, except when it's out. And, you know, when it is out, you recognize how totally, totally dependent we are on. So anyway. Talk about the grid. Well, we got another approval from the PUC and that's for our grid modernization plan. We went in with a plan and as we say we've got a 20th century grid and a 21st century electric company and we've got to bring that grid up into the era and we've got to do a lot of work in terms of beefing it up and being able to carry more rooftop solar, more of these other kinds of programs like demand response and so forth. So they approved about an $86 million expenditure in this first phase. It's going to add a quarter or something to every bill every month on Oahu, which I don't think people will really notice, but the service is going to get better. We're going to have more renewable energy. It's something we have to do, but it's something we need to do and we want to do. You can't do this side without doing this. Exactly. You have to raise all the votes. Right. It, you know, everybody sees a wind farm. Everybody sees a solar array. You don't see the computer system behind it. You don't see the little box that they got put up on the on some pole somewhere that makes all this stuff work. And so it's important to remember that when we talk about a clean energy future, we're not just talking about getting off oil as important as that is. We're not just talking about more renewable energy, but we're talking about the systems that allow us to do that. The systems that allow us to give somebody an incentive to let us manage their electric use a little bit so that we can have a more stable grid. And these take systems and programs and all kinds of stuff that's largely invisible but very important. Yeah, but it's not, it's not all within your control. You have to collaborate with all the people who are feeding into you. Absolutely. So there's got to be, you know, I always say energy, real estate is not about land. It's about relationships. Energy likewise is not about energy. It's about relationships. Right. So when you build the grid out, you have to be building relationships. Yeah, and it starts with the fact that the customer sets the demand. You turn on your lights. You expect electricity to light those instantly. We have to be ready to deliver it for you. We don't generate a bunch of it and have it sitting in. You know, we will have some storage, but in essence electricity is a just-in-time product that, you know, we have to be able to respond to the demand of our customers. And that takes some, you know, information back and forth. And the smart grid eventually with smart meters and some other things are going to allow you to have a much clearer idea of how your energy is used, how you can save energy, you know, how the eventually when everybody has different time of use rates, how you can do something in an hour or two later in the evening and get, you know, save money on it. So it's all part of, you know, relationships important, but until you have a way to communicate that information and that data and that's what the smart grid essentially is about. So when you went to the PUC for approval of this, your detailed technologies and systems that would be used. But you know, one thing it strikes me and it's just, it's so for every technology, especially information technology, while we sit here it's moving, it's dynamic all the time. And so, you know, when do you nail it? When do you say, I'm going to make my choice now for this technology, I'm not going to wait till next week or next month. How do you do that? Well, I think you, I know that you do it by phasing things. You say, you know, we're not this approval on the grid modernization thing. We know what the whole grid modernization thing would consist of. It would consist of a smart reader on every home, except for people that decide they don't want it. It would consist of a certain number of boxes of stuff that help us talk to, you know, transmit with each other a better system. We've been using cellular phone systems for a lot of our communications. That's not reliable. There are places where you can't get cellular. So, there are a lot of things, you know, you can sit here now and say, here are all the things you're going to do, but you don't do them all on the first day. You say, okay, the first thing we need to do is this phase one. So, let's, what's the best technology for phase one? And then when you're ready you say, what's the best technology for phase two? And it could be that by the time we get to the last smart meter, that that smart meter is a lot smarter than the smart meter we put out on day one, or the ones that are already out there. So, go back. So, yeah, eventually we'll go back, but as long as they meet the basic standards. But, you know, so it's the same with renewable energy. Theoretically, everybody wants us to go faster. We want to go faster, but we also have to keep in mind that we have to modernize the grid, but also that, you know, if we bought all the solar, all the wind turbines we needed today, by tomorrow there'd be something better. And who know, we don't know what the better is. So, it's important to move fast, but it's important to move, not to move so fast, that you end up with, you know, with a computer that is out of date before you unpack the box. You know, that's why everybody's got to make those decisions about computers. We have to make those decisions about a huge array of different kinds of stuff. Two years ago, three years ago, if we'd said you're going to be able to get six or eight big solar arrays with storage, it would sound crazy because storage was still too expensive. Now, I think going forward, if you don't have storage, you're going to have to explain why you're, why you don't have storage. And so, you know, who knows what the next thing will be. Who knows what the next superior kind of storage is going to be. It happens so fast. You can't even anticipate. You can't. So, you want to move quickly, but you don't want to move so quickly that you end up with buyers regret, you know, with the remorse about the fact that I bought a 2019 car when the 2020 car can, you know, park itself and, you know, all the other stuff. So, that's all part of that story. You know, you mentioned that there are black boxes that would go on the customer side of the equation and some customers may have reservations about that. This was an issue in Kauai for KIUC and it opens the issue of how you socialize this sort of thing about the black boxes so that people understand it's for their own benefit. There's no detriment whatsoever in having it installed at your house. You know, but on Kauai, there was a system where you could opt out and pay because if you're not going to be part of the system, if you want to meet a reader to come out to your house every, you know, whatever you want to, you know, you're going to have, that's going to cost you some money. But if you don't want to do it, you don't have to do it. But you, I think you would be foolish not to do it. But, you know, nobody should be, it will, nobody envisions a system where, at this stage, where it's imposed on people. And, you know, as it happens and moves forward and you see it, you see the benefits of it, we hope you'll come around. And very frankly, you know, this happened on Kauai six or eight years ago. And at that time, all over the country, there were these kinds of smart meter revolutions and, you know, people were rebelling against it. If you look at the web today, you don't see too much of that. No, I think it's gone away, hasn't it? Yeah. People have said, okay, you know, they got them at Kauai, nobody, you know, nobody fell off the cliff. So, you know, what's the deal? And there's a lot of, the thing you got to do is that utility companies, you have to get the good information out there. Plenty of bad information still available on the web about that sort of thing. But you got to get the good information out there. You got to explain the benefits. You got to show where the hell, that there's, you know, the health or whatever people are concerned about is not a consideration. But you also have to allow people not to feel this is being imposed upon them. Yeah. It's a great country. We will do, we will do that. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, sometimes you can have such an open mind that your brains fall out, which I think sort of happened with vaccinations. But with this one, I think I was going to make the same reference. This is just like vaccinations. It is. It's very similar. But you know, if vaccinations are a little bit different in that if I don't vaccinate my kids, your kids get sick. With a smart meter, you know, and if I'm willing to pay for keeping my old meter, it doesn't have as much of a deleterious effect on other people. But if people don't want to, you know, get on the program and help the utility and the community take new technology, they're slowing us down. They're costing us money because people have to make special accommodations for them. Yeah. But I don't think it'll be that. I'm confident by the time we get there, it's not going to be that big a deal. But I would never say you can't, you have no choice. Okay. So, you know, I don't think anybody wants that, even if I think you're crazy not to take this opportunity, and it doesn't help and so forth. But I don't think anybody wants to be in the position of saying, you got to have this meter in your house and you think it's going to spy on you or you think it's going to do whatever. Okay. Okay. I think the things that have happened, the things that we got one more topic to talk about the bus transportation, but the things that have happened in the last couple of years, say post next era, have put Hawaiian electric in a very good light. They've been positive things. And I think the public appreciates that. I told you before, I think, you know, I understand that the stock price for Hawaiian electric is over 40 now, which is remarkable. I mean, it increased. And who knows why? You never know, it's a free market out there. But I think one of the factors is the way the public sees you and the way the PUC sees you, they're granting your applications. And the whole thing is that we're at a good time, not wood, right? Yeah, I agree with you. And I think not just the way the PUC sees us, but the way the PUC is acting, you know, the PUC can make our life miserable. And they can make our life less miserable. And analysts look at this, and you know, it's called regulatory lag, or and they look at it and say, is the PUC doing a good job, promptly turning around, you know, applications, making good decisions? Or are they waiting for a million years? And are they, you know, are their decisions somewhat, you know, they're upset about something else and they're taking it. So the people who set the stock prices really determine that, the analysts, they look at that and they've seen over the last couple of years strong leadership of the utility. They've seen the regulatory system stepping up and, you know, coming into the 21st century as well. There's always hiccups, I wouldn't, I'm not trying to pretend this is a low fare and they are very strict. They're very careful to make sure the Public Utilities Commission doesn't roll over for us by any means, but on the other hand, they say, let's get this going. And that's what, and frankly, the electricity rates have remained relatively stable and even coming down a bit with some of this renewable. So I think all that comes together. And, you know, we've also, if I may say, we've responded to the storms, to the outages on the Big Island, to problems on Maui, to less devastating things here on Oahu. But, you know, our crews roll in any weather. We get out there, we were able to restore, after I think it was Izel, we were able to restore power much more quickly to the part of the Big Island. Right now, they're dealing with the Lava territories around the Puna and the Kilauea eruption. And, you know, we're participating, we're helping in every way we can to get the people that are still there get power to them to get the geothermal back up to contribute renewable energy. And I think the performance of things like that, you know, we even sent people to California to help with the fire. And I think, you know, if you do everything you can and you do it the best way you can and you do the right things, I think people will ultimately, you know, even though they wish their bill were lower, who doesn't wish their bill were lower? Doesn't matter. But, you say I'm getting reasonable value, not just in the electricity, but in the performance of the company. So I think we're, you know... We don't live in a vacuum. Yeah. So, you know, in the inner sanctum of this, you know, you have the regulators, you have the legislature, you have utility, you have industry in general, you have the public. Right. And then in the periphery, you have those analysts on Wall Street. Right. Who are trading stock. Exactly. And they're watching all of these elements. Everything. They're watching very, very closely, yeah. So, last item. Okay, yeah. Last item, the buses and transportation. Can you talk about your success with the special bus rates for electric buses? Right. We asked the Public Utilities Commission to approve this, and they did within the, very promptly. We've got a new rate for fleets, for bus fleets. That basically says, if you have a fleet of, like the city has a fleet of buses, many of tourist companies have a fleet of buses. There are fleets of school buses primarily. And we're now going to be able to offer a rate so that if you charge your electric bus midday, when we have a lot of solar or overnight, when we have a very little demand, you'll get a, you'll save about 25% of the cost. So, we know that there are two things that prohibit or that inhibit people from adding electric buses to the fleet. The original bus costs a little more. And you'll save money over the long haul. But if you have a cash flow situation, you've got to look at that very carefully. And the other is charging. And if you have to pay what are here pretty strong rates for electricity, that you're going to say, well, it may save me, it'll save me money even at the regular rate. But it won't save me that much money. And there's going to be a lot of aggravation. I'm going to have to put in chargers. I'm going to have to train my drivers. I'm going to have to train my mechanics again. I don't need those headaches. I've got enough headaches with Anthony Mini getting on the bus and Colleen. So, you know, but this allows us to say that there are about 20 different fleet managers city. And we've had a great working relationship with them. We have an e-bus working group. We got them all together. We said, what can we do to help you? How can, you know, what can, what are your problems? What are your questions? We've had some buses come in and people have been able to try them. JTB just had, just initiated the first electric buses for their fleet. We've had a bus test at the airport. So, this isn't just city buses. Oh, no, no. This is all buses. Any bus, any fleet operator that wants to bring in electric buses can take advantage of this. And JTB, which is already started down that road, the school bus fleets, we're going to do an experiment later this year. Demonstration projects with electric school buses. When you think about it, a school bus is busy in the morning, busy in the afternoon, the rest of the day, not so much. And the rest of the day is when they can charge that bus. Perfect. Perfect timing. Exactly. And city buses too, you know, a lot of heavy traffic in the morning, a lot of heavy traffic at rush hour, not so much in the middle of the day, not so much overnight. So, tourist buses are going to be a little more of a challenge, very frankly, because they tend to be on the road, you know, other times. But even they tend to go out in the morning, deliver their people to, you know, to the Polynesian cultural center, come back in the evening and pick them up for whatever. So, this is charging times. It's the time of charge, so to speak. It's the time of use rates for charging and it also eliminates what we call the demand charge, which is, you know, you have to pay to us on the basis of your highest use. If you're a normal business, it doesn't apply to residences, but if you're a normal business and you, even once or twice a month, you have to use a lot of electricity for an hour, you have to pay based on that. Because we have to provide it if you're going to use it. But that's called the demand charge and, you know, it's complicated, but basically it says, in addition to what you owe us just for the kilowatt hours we send you every day, you have to pay us a charge so that we're always ready in return. So, the rates have been established. These rates are what have, these rates have been approved now. They are all ready to go. Yeah. When does it start? Well, it started the day that PUC approved it and we think based on our discussions with these different bus fleet operators that will have about 130 electric buses on this island, on all the islands, but mostly on Oahu, I think, within the four or five years of this project and so it's still a trial. Is it a substantial savings for that? It's about 25 percent if you, you know, anybody that doesn't want the extra money can send it to me. At the end of the day what you're really, really trying to do is incentivize the use of electric buses. Exactly. Because middle of the day we have a huge amount and we're going to very shortly as these other projects we talked about when they come online we have a huge amount of solar available in the middle of the day. We're going to have some batteries to take up some of it which is great. But we still have all, we have 80,000 across the state rooftop solar systems that are feeding power into the system. And so if we can put that into those buses everybody's going to make out, you know, an electric bus is quieter. There's no diesel fumes for the operator. It is much less major. A better community. It's, you know, it is. I take the bus every single day and I get off, I get off the bus and I get a mouth full of diesel fumes and the bus starts up the hill. No more noise. No more diesel fumes. I want the bus on my route first. I've talked to the city again and again. They won't promise me anything. But, you know, the point is if you're living in Waikiki or Makiki where the sounds rattle off the buildings it's going to be a lot quieter. It's going to be great. I can't wait. So let's assume this works really well. Yeah. Is it in the wings who expand this kind of program to regular passenger cars who charge at ideal times during the solar day? Yeah. There already is a time of use rate for passenger vehicles. You have to get another meter. It's not the simplest thing in the world. But yeah, absolutely. And if you have solar on your roof you're in even better shape. If you can take the solar from your roof do it yourself. And you put it in your car which is in your garage because it's home during the middle of the day. So there's already some of that but we're going to see a lot more of it. We're going to see more workplace charging. I mean if anything most cars sit in some employment garage or some employment parking space for eight, nine hours a day during the middle of the day that magic middle of the day. If you could drive into your parking structure plug in your car even a trickle charge and it charges for six or eight hours you never have to worry about it. You'd pay pennies less than you'd pay for gasoline and your car would always be charged. So workplace charging other kinds of fleets eventually we think you look around what are the fleets that are driving around? You have taxis you have delivery small delivery cars you have all those UPX FedEx, UPS stuff you know all of those people could eventually have electric vehicles for those fleets. Yeah you know what they say we we all got to get on the bus. Get on the electric bus that's what you got to do. Yeah you're going to see them more and more and they're going to be great. I mean it's going to be a great that's going to be a great new world. We're just on the front edges of it. When you come back and tell us more about it? Anytime you want. You know I'd love to come here because I can say anything I want. And as my boss tells me, hey nobody's watching anyway. I said there's somebody out there there's somebody out there. Thank you Peter. It's really a pleasure Jay. Thanks. Thanks for doing this show. I think it does a lot of good. Thank you.