 See, we getting straight to it. We got a certified ass whooper in here with us today. What's going on? A real ass whooper. Brownville, right? Never will. Never will. That's right. You taking it on. Let's go try it. We just going to let the energy just resell up in here. No, no, no, no, no. When nigga got chain gang energy in the free world. Oh, man. That's a whole another. That's a whole another. When you took that nigga food. That was a whole different level. Oh, man. And you on to my literal life. Oh, this my food. Matter of fact, this my food. I say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like, this nigga Shaddy Breeze had to be put on ecstasy pills in them smoothies. That nigga was trippy. But this nigga ain't got no shirt on. This nigga got his box. This nigga got his swim trunks on, no brawls. Let's go tell. Let's go tell. This nigga was chasing Ukrainians around the world. They just looking at his ass. They don't even understand what he's saying. Let's go check. They like knock a bit for both of us off the floor. Black guy, what's wrong? With fuck's throw, except from the father. Yeah, fuck all that. Let's go check. I'm like, man, this nigga is ready to fight. We knocked that nigga off their boat, man. I said, bro, how was you finding this nigga, man? Oh, man, you know, even living in my neighbor at the time, I had a spotted Hollywood beach. And I was like, I was on Virginia Street. He was like eight blocks away. So people would always tell me, would always say, yo, I just seen Klisco. And one time I just missed him in the supermarket. So it was a girl who worked in his building. She was like, he'd be out there every day on the wakeboard or whatever. I was like, you heard? So I went out there like once or twice, he wasn't out there. And then the third day, we went out there, we seen him. So we went and got on my man boat and came back. But then we thought he disappeared. And I was like, nah, nah, wait, look. I see him. They was like, nah, we going back. We had been there for an hour. And then he seen him. He was a little speck, he was getting closer and closer. And then, but you know, I got a little, I ain't getting in trouble, but the cops called me and was like, yo, you know, he could have died. And we might be pressing charges on you. I had a lot of, you know, stuff going on over there. That shit was on the floor. Fuck it, let's go champ. If he dies, he dies. Oh shit. Nah, we won't kill nobody else. Nah, but check this out though, like, even if I had never seen none of your fights, I would have been a fan just by the amount of shit that you talk about. All right. It's just, it's a certain place in my heart for people who talk shit. That's why I fuck with social media so hard. I don't never have to meet these people, but I know if it's people getting up every day, taking the chance of talking the most shit, I feel like that's my trap. Right. So what a slogan came from, I dug your champion. Hold on, we didn't even do this right. We got to this. Welcome back to the 85 sound show. Welcome back. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. We're bringing out the champ and everybody today. I know that you and DC are such boxing fans. I'm gonna split this intro up. Let's go champ. I'm gonna split it up because this is definitely one of the legends. What? Oh man. Of boxing. So I thank you champ. And it's like, you know, we talk about classic matches and shit like that, we watch them on the road with them in the hotel and shit like that. And we definitely watch all your clips and you know, we fans and we fuck with the energy that you bring to the end, to the game. And we just, we're ecstatic to have you here and traveled us none other than Shannon, the Kennan Bridge. Let's go champ. Oh man. Thank you champ. Thanks man. I appreciate y'all forever. I got a direct quote. I finally made it man. I finally made it. Mom, look at me now y'all. Nah, you've been made it. Look man, we got a direct quote from Lennox Lewis that said, you had the fastest hands and the best punching power of anybody he ever fought. Sheesh. That's saying something. Before Mike Tyson. Yeah, yeah. Damn. I was all right man. I was all right. You know, I did my thing. I was all right. I did my thing. You know, I did the best I could under my circumstances. I was born with asthma. You know, I ain't had no brothers and sisters growing up. I was the only child they picked on me. You know what I mean? I was bullied. And then I got sick of it one day and I was like, I'm gonna fight back. You know, I started fighting back. And then I literally like almost fell in love with all the fighting. You know what I mean? I would go ask people how to slap box and do everything. And then I was homeless at the age of 14 and then I stumbled across the boxing gym like 16, 17. What city? Brownsville, Brooklyn. Oh, oh. Brownsville, which is in Brooklyn. Damn. It's his own city. It's his own city. It's his own city. It's his own town. I know what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm from the Ville and you know, that was a big part of my beginning growing up there because you know, you had to be able to fight there. Before the guns came out, you had to be able to get busy. So I picked that up early learning how to fight. You grew up in a time where Brownsville was super live and all type of hip hop going on. The fashion was crazy. The ladies was gorgeous. The drug dealers really was multi-millionaire type shit. It was doing their thing. New York was at the pram. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. You know, it was the first of the 70s. And then that was like the old times, you know what I mean? In Brooklyn. And then the 80s came and you know, it was rough in the beginning of the early 80s and then you know, crack cocaine came. And then that's when young people started getting money. It was the first time in history that young kids until my 13, 14 years old was having a thousand, $2,000 in a pocket in the history of the United States of the planet. Young black men having enough money to go buy cars and stuff like that. So it changed the community. You know what I'm saying? I don't ever... I look back on those 80s and I don't feel good about them because a lot of my family, my mom had an addiction. A lot of people, my family was on crack, you know what I'm saying? And drugs, so you know, it was a rough time. And then like I said, the mid-80s came. My mom was on drugs bad. You know, people was like, yo, you want to hustle? And I was like, you know, I don't count too good to be hustling. You might want to kill me later for the money. And I was fortunate to find boxing, you know what I mean? I got into that. And it saved my life, man. I was homeless, like I said. And you know, that was the way out for me. I made it. I was fortunate to get on the USA team. I was the US 1992 champion. And that led me to the Olympic trials. Unfortunately, I broke my hand. You can see that. Yeah, Dan is out. Let me see. Hi, Danny. Oh, I got a butt cheek on this fist guy. Damn. Look at his face. You broke that with yours, 14? Yeah. But you weren't professional with this same damn hand. Yeah, man. Yeah, I broke both of them. Look at that. Oh, shit. There's some big ass broke hands. I was gunning, man. I said, I had eyes, man, so like, you know what I mean? I couldn't get it on quick. So I had to get my shit on quick. I had to get it on quick. I had to get my shit on quick, you know what I mean? Man, that's so crazy. Because, you know, growing up, when I grew up in the city of DC, boxing was like, it was kind of like a part of the past. Oh, yeah. I'm a part of it. I'm a part of it on the end. Yeah, for real? You know what it's like, then. Come on, champ. Come on. I'm the first Asmotic heavyweight champion in the world. Fuckin' talkin' bout, nigga. Yeah, heavyweight champion, Asmotic. So, you know, it was like a part of the past. It's like you had to know how to fight in some capacity. But it was just so many people that understood the art of boxing and it kind of came with the neighborhood a little bit. Some people kind of retracted from it and ran away from it. But it was something I always loved. So I know that for me, it always used to give me a release from whatever was going on. You know what I mean? A legal release, if you will, that I can go and just get the aggression off. And you know what I mean? If it was a problem, they had put us in the room, put the gloves on, that type of thing. So like being as though you grew up the way that you did, at what point did you realize that really boxing was the thing for you to do professionally, not just in the neighborhood like we all might do, but go and pro with something different? I mean, to be honest with you champ, I didn't have many options. I really tried though. 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Robinhood IRA available to US customers in good standard. Robinhood Financial LLC member S.I.PC is a registered broker dealer. Southfield, Michigan, the Detroit area. Look here, I'm coming back. I'm gonna be at the Punchline Comedy Lounge. Five shows. Yes, I will be doing my 600 pound life live. I'm doing them all five shows because this is the last time I will be touring doing my 600 pound life during my comedy show. So go on ahead and get them tickets. They won't last long, they never last long. I sell out every time I come to Detroit. So look here, don't miss out because I will not be doing my 600 pound life again live. Oh, nobody. So go on here, get them tickets. They don't sell now. Go to 85southshow.com or to the Punchline website. Working, I started working when I was eight years old. You know what I'm saying? I was packing bags at the supermarket. And then I was selling newspapers. I had caught a newspaper. Robin, that was a whole other story. Somebody else's route, but I had caught a newspaper. Yeah, I thought I caught a newspaper route. And then I was doing different things as I was always working. I worked at Ice Cream Paula. Then we started getting older and then crack cocaine came out. Like I said, the mid-80s. And everybody was driving fly cars and dookie road chains and fresh Adidas. And I was like, I wanted that too. But you know, hustling wasn't for me because like I said, I had family members on drugs. I didn't feel good selling drugs and watching what it did to my people. And literally it really took out like two, I want to say three, four generations of black people. I seen grandmothers get on crack, the daughter, the granddaughter, the sons. And then like that whole family bloodline died because from drugs, you know what I'm saying? So for me, that wasn't my thing. And after 335 was what they was paying back there for hours, you know what I mean? So that wasn't really doing it. I tried to get jobs and all that, but boxing was the best route. You know, I would go to the gym and I remember my coach would be like, yo, I give you $5 if you spar somebody. And with $5 I could get like four chicken wings and fries. You know what I'm saying? Soda, you know what I mean? So I was like, all right, come on. I'd spar a few people, get like $5, $10. And I was like, you know what? That's the only thing paying me, you know what I mean? Jobs is coming and going, you know what I mean? So I got back into that. I got locked up one time too. I got in some trouble just trying to be, you know, doing something I shouldn't have been doing. And I got to say, you know what? I think the best thing for me was that I was never good at crime. You know what I mean? I think that was the best thing for me. I learned early that, you know, I would get in trouble when I'd be like, damn, you know what, this skin locked, I'm shitting for me, you know what I mean? So, and then my pops died in jail. My mom's died of overdose on my birthday. So all these things was putting me in a place where I was like, damn, I'm gonna end up just like dumb if I don't do something different. So I went to the gym and then I was nice too. I had a good hand, you know what I mean? I had good hand skills, you know, I could see punches coming and moving, you know what I mean? You remember your first professional fight? Yeah, yeah, I fought John Jackson, July 24th, 1992. That's a little bit different. What date it is? July 24th, 1992. Crane, I was two months old. Come on, man. It was a chance for real, you're a legend, man. Thank you, Jack. You're great, man. I was in the ring. July 24th, 1992, it was crazy because like when I was in the streets, I was kind of moving around doing silly stuff. And then I was like, damn, you know, I had friends that was hustling. They was getting knocked. Someone was gonna get locked up. Someone was having minor success. You know, we thought back in the days, if you had, you know, $20,000, it was filthy, filthy rich, you know what I'm saying? But that wasn't the case. And I mean, especially the time that brothers was given. I know people that, you know, some coming home now from the 80s, you know what I mean? But I say a lot to say, you know, boxing for me was just, it was a life-changing experience that, you know, it gave me more than just a living. It saved my life, you know what I mean? Like I said, it taught me how to control myself, you know what I mean? When I was stressed out, I'd go to the gym and it helped me, you know what I mean? But going back to that July 24th, 1992, I was just recently in the streets and 20 years old, and my boy, he was like, yo, you fighting in the month. My manager at the time, and you know, you never really count the days. And then he was like, yo, come on, we're going to fight. I was like, damn, what? She came already? I was like, for real? So you ain't training for her, man? I trained, I trained, I trained, I was training with Teddy at the time. He was my first coach. We had trained, but that's the one I'll do. Yeah, yeah. You ever met him? No, I ain't ever met him, but I've never met him. He, hey, I've met Teddy at this in the future. He was my first trainer. Yeah, he loved a good dirty joke, don't he? Oh, bro, he was, he got a million of them. Yeah, good guy, solid guy. He taught me a lot. He was my first professional trainer. And you know, I think I saw a term for that night. I mean, literally that night I was in the ring and I was like, damn, the bell's about to ring. I'm like, what am I doing here? I'm like, I'm setting the brick, but I'm playing it all. And the bell rang and I swear to God, yo champ, he cracked me. The first punch of the fight. Anybody at home, Google that fight, Shannon Briggs pro debut, and yo, dude cracked me. You can hear it in the whole gym was quiet. I mean, the whole arena was quiet. You heard, pow, I was out of your gunshot, cracked me. And I took it and I was looking at him like, damn, he knocked the shit out of me, right? Satan, I'm playing it. And I got my composure and I got him out of there, but it was welcome to the pros, you know what I mean? You knocked him out? You ain't seen him come? You know what? I guess I, he threw an overhand right. He did that shit smooth because he was rushing with his head. So he did the same thing to the head. And he didn't see the head. And caught the shit out. He caught the blout. And I was like, damn, but I stopped him in the first round. Then I had like, I want to say nine first round knockouts out there. Well, I do want to say not to, you know, give myself a blow job, but I got the most first round knockouts. You do? And for any week champ, 37. 37? Damn. I had to say that, you know what I'm saying? We're solution like that. You know what I'm saying? I had to pat myself on the back. I got the most first round knockouts and heavyweight champion history. More than any other heavyweight champion. But see, that's what I want to ask you about. Like, you know, the boxing divisions is, you know, everybody, if you're a boxing fan, you appreciate, you know, all divisions, but it ain't nothing like- Pause on that, by the way. Yeah, but if you're, if you're, I'm sorry. What'd I say? No, I said something earlier. Oh, I, I, I, you, you said a blow job. I said myself, I said give myself. I said give myself. Damn, I'm not talking about it. I said, I'ma just let that slide. She was holding back the whole time. No. I'm sitting on me in traumatized like that when I just say divisions, you can't say divisions no more. My man, champ, my man, champ, my man, champ. But it's nothing like the heavyweight division, man, in boxing, because that's the big money division. Like, so what, in from your opinion, being a former champion and being a, you know, somebody that boxed in the 90s all the way through, what happened to the heavyweights, man? Oh, shit. Real heavyweights, man. I mean, I don't think nothing happened. I think what happened was in the 80s. The American heavyweight, I would say. Again, I think what happened in the 80s was we had Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson changed the history of the world. You know, he was a young, short, stocky street dude. You know what I mean? No socks, no shorts, no, no role, knocking people out. He was from Browns or from the streets. You know what I'm saying? The gutter. We the gutter. Like we talk about Brownsville, you talk about the gutter. You know what I mean? So he was, he changed history and he made every young person who was a foo, who could make it in football or he wanted to be a boxer. He wanted to be a heavyweight. He wanted to be like Mike Tyson, even me. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to be like, I didn't want to be like Mike Tyson, oddly enough, I wanted to be like Ali. And I was saying, I'm gonna be able to beat Tyson with this style, with my Ali style. Cause naturally I was a boxer, but here this man was the greatest heavyweight of all times. And I was an amateur kid looking at him like, but he was inspiring me, even the thought of one day possibly fighting him or what I would do, what he inspired me to even, you know, get into it really to be honest with you. Cause I was watching him in like 86 and I ain't really getting into the box until 88. So you think that that's the reason why the heavyweight division, and we haven't seen another prominent heavyweight champion in America, because even with the Cliskos and, and you know, the Furys and the, you know, we had the Ante Wilder, but that's the closest we didn't get in, since your era in that early 90s, since we'd had a dominant black heavyweight champion. So is it the fact that people don't, is it the training, is it from your opinion? Is it the lack of training, or is it the lack of talent from your opinion? I think that, you know, a lot of big men don't want to teach, a lot of big men rather play basketball or they rather play football than get hit for a living. You know what I'm saying? It's a hard job, man. Getting punched in the face champion ain't easy, you know what I'm saying? Not just the face, the body. That's the real shit. Yeah, that's the real shit. Niggah hit me in the stomach, it's over. Niggah, that's the real shit, it's worth it. So is it taking the dedication, it takes to make it in boxing, and the truth of the matter is, it's rare that you gonna make it, bro. Let me keep it real with you. Like, it's really like a lot of, because you gotta be able to fight, you gotta be able to have a good manager, and you can be the best fighter in the world if nobody know about you. You gotta be able to be promotable, you know what I'm saying? You gotta be able to be a solvable way that people wanna see, you know what I mean? Marketable. Marketable. So take us back. Excuse me. Take us, take us. I mean, solvable, but markable is a more respectful word. Take us back to the night when you won your title. I wanna know like the preparation. First one. First one. That's always the best one. It's always the best. Yes, brother. What is it? In your case, is it? Well, you know to be honest with you champ, I won my first. I wanna say amateur title in 1990. So what's the difference? You gotta, I don't know the terminology. I feel like once a nigga get a belt, you got to respect this. You got to give an amateur before you turn, bro. Yeah. Okay. I was amateur, and I had won the Empire State Games. And that shit to me was like one of the biggest feelings of my life champ to that point. You know, I was 18 years old. You know, I had never had no success in life. Really other than, you know, no success. I didn't do good in school. You know what I mean? I was having a rough life, homeless, you know, on and off, and then I won that title. And it was like, damn, I felt like I did something. You know what I mean? I felt like I could be more than just a prisoner. You know what I mean? I can do something with my life and shit. So, and that's what I'm about, man. Like, you know, I tell people, I'm traumatized from my childhood because it was so beautiful. I had a beautiful mother. I had a beautiful house, home, and then I lost everything. And I was homeless, sleeping in the exit of a building that I would find, sleeping in cars, you know what I'm saying? Sleep in that friend's house. You know, a couch baby, living from place to place. I mean, then it traumatized me enough to become successful. And I said, one day I'm gonna be able to help, you know, kids like myself. And I mean, I'm doing that now. We started a Brownsville Boxing Academy. We just purchased a building in Brownsville and we're gonna open up a gym. You know what I mean? Let's go, man. Thank you. Oh, Jeff. Man, we done best. What's up, man? Like, do you feel now, you know, being as though you, you know, completed your career as a boxer? Like, do you feel that your experience as a boxer is more, you know, effective in you helping the kids or is it that, you know, all of the shit that you went through as a child? Because you've gained success as a boxer. You made it and you became a champion. So you have the success story. Do you lead with that? Or do you lead with the trauma to motivate the kids more? Well, first of all, I didn't finish fighting. First and foremost. For real? Yeah, yeah, I'm serious. I'm 51,000 years old, right? But you look at like Mike Tyson, he did the fight with Roy Jones a few years ago. We look at a lot of champions. They fight much, you know. First of all, I'm not beat up. You know, I've never been beat up. I had really to be honest with you, out of my 67 fights, I might have had like five, maybe four wars, but when you say Dan, that was a tough one. I had some wars, you know what I'm saying? But I want to get in the war. I want to get in the next one. Keep going. Okay, that's a war, but I'm fresh, man. I feel good. I just can't get no fights, man. They scared. They scared of you. Yeah, they scared of you. Yeah, they scared of you. What about round point? Round point. It's on, it's on like popcorn. January 27th, hard rock casino. Yeah. January 27th, I want you to, I want you guys to my guest. I need to commentate for real, for real. I need you to commentate. Take it off. Yeah. You gotta be live. Clear that up, man. In Florida. In Florida. Yeah, Hollywood Casino, man. Yeah. January 27th, January 27th, you know? Say Liz. I'm gonna tell you right now. It's going down. 100%. It's for show, for show. Okay, I got a show, but I'm moving it. Nah. I think I'm moving my shit. Same word. I'm coming. You gonna commentate? Let's go champ. I'm gonna be like, Let's go champ, if y'all heard it. Mark Julian, all my investors out there, y'all gotta pay this man. Yo, let's go champ. Now, just like the fly was saying though, let's get into some of the wars. I wanna hear. I wanna hear. I wanna, okay. Let's keep the war state because this is good. I wanna hear the one where you thought, this motherfucker gon' give me the business, spanked him. Versus, off in the go ahead, give him the business. Oh, this motherfucker studied me. No more time, okay? The first motherfucker. Yeah. The first motherfucker. The first motherfucker who you thought was gonna give you the business, but you spanked him. Who was that? Damn. Michael Hospital, empire state games. Why? He was touching everything, everything. I mean, everything. Everything he did was sleep. Big white boy. Six, five, six, six. I always be the white boy. Big white boy. Woo, hitting hard. Everything he touched, I mean, he was sleeping it. Damn. You know what I mean? My coach didn't even want me to fight him. Was this headgear or no headgear? Headgear. He was knocking that off the aisle with a headgear. He was a cop. New York City cop. Michael Hospital, I was scared. Damn. Yeah, he was a grown man. I was a kid. Oh, so you was a child fighting a grown man. Yeah, but to beat him was the next level where you, like now you did your thing in New York, because he was the New York City Golden Glove champion. You know, he was empire state game champion. Yeah, I was coming on the scene and I was young, flashy. I had blonde dreadlocks. As you can see, they gone. Damn, your dreadlocks get cut off, too. Shit, I threw some of mine back. Yes. I mean, nice. Yeah. You got me, champ. I ain't thought I was the only one loving my dreadlocks. They got us, champ. Nah, yeah, I did them dirty. I did them dirty. I did them dirty, dirty. But it was good fighting. You know what? I had a few, I had a few, I had some tough ones, man. So I thought it was going to be a piece of cake. But nah, I had to go pound for pound, round for round. Fast both of them. Fast both of them. Fast what? Both. Fast that, sir. That name was sir. Hey, one day I was in a gym, right? And I heard a Vanda Holyfield talking. He was talking to a reporter. They was like, who hit you the hardest in your life, Vanda? And he said, France what both of them. And I overheard it. I said, what you say? I said, what you say? He said, France what both of them. I said, champ, me too. I swear to God, I couldn't believe it. I ain't going to tell y'all, I ain't going to lie. I went to jab and I jab because I was catching him with the jab. I said, this jab, I'm going to put some mustard on this. I'm going to break his nose with this one. Slipped it, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to break his, because you be jabbing to keep him at bay. I said, but this one here, I'm going to step in. I'm going to break his nose. And I went to jab him and I don't know how he timed it and moved to the. Slipped it. He slipped it. But when he slipped it, he did some caveman shit. Because he don't learn it. He did some caveman shit. Like turning away and broke my ribs. Oh. Rib broke. I said, god damn, I knew something was wrong. But I'm looking at him the whole time, like don't show it. You know, I'm looking at him. Really, I'm like, oh. But I'm looking at him like this. But inside, I'm like, please don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me, miss. Don't hit me. Inside. But if I were to show them, he would have came out of the air. Man, he would have turned into a lion. From a kitten to a lion. Right. Because now he know, oh, I got him. Yeah. I was sparring Bruce Seldin one time, former heavyweight champion. Man. He was jabbing me so hard and fast. He was opening his hand like this. And he was like, what does that mean? That was pause. He was jabbing me so hard and fast. Come on, champ. Come on. You're kidding. He was jabbing me so hard. Hey, you're a champ, man. You did this. Hey, you're a champ. He's a champ. You're a champ. You're a champ. You're a champ. You're a champ. You're a champ. I'm too old for that. I think I just serri-aged you all the game, right? You don't got to be. Yeah, you know what I mean. You started that. My bad, my bad. I did. My bad. Cameraman, you're a champ. So he was out. Hold on. All right, here. So I forgot. The jabbing. The jabbing. Wow. So, man, y'all took me away from you. No, no, no, no. He said he was opening you up. He was sparring Bruce Seldin. I was sparring Bruce Seldin. God damn it. I was sparring Bruce Seldin. Y'all, Bruce Seldin was opening his hand like this and backhanded me with the jab. And it was going, slap, slap, slap. Like, you know, I could take a towel and you pop it. Every time it was hitting you. Wop, wop, wop, wop. I said, God. I've never seen him shit like this. I've never seen. I came back to the corner and tell you how to say, if you're going to fight him, you're going to turn it to a monster. He's going to turn. He's just what his words was. You're going to let the little kitty cat turn it to a lion if you don't fight back. I was like, he says, no way out of this. You got to fight back. That's the only way he's going to stop. So the second round I got bit down. I started going crazy. We started getting the bomb. We banging out. He came back to the corner. Teddy said, uh, we did good. Stay like that. He going to quit. I said, just bruise out a minute. That's the heavyweight champion in the world. You're smoking the sun. He said, do that again. Tell me if you don't, he going to go crazy on you. Went back in there. I am. We banging out bomb. He said, yo, that's it. He said, that's it. That's what Bruce said. He came back. Yeah, but I want, if you don't, if you let, if you let anybody, you feel, I'm saying, get up. See weakness. See you hurt. And I said, I just say like, Oh, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Show any sign of weakness when you show any sign of weakness. When a man, and you hurt, he hurt too. He feel the same when you feel, but if you, if you show it, he gone, all of a sudden he going to grow. Grow, we going to get stronger. He was dead tired. Right. He ready to go. He ready to go. He hit you. He ain't no more right, he get a boost to energy. So I learned early, he was right about that. When you gotta keep, you gotta push him all the way downhill. Cause your motherfuckers start pushing back up and he get you going downhill. No, push him all the way downhill. So, you know, that was my career. Come back out and make it and pushing him downhill. Doing the best I can. So going back to that corner, now I'm like, oh shit, we get corner stories. I wanna hear one of them corner stories that like it shook you and you had to bounce right. Like that corner story stuck with me. It stuck with me. Man, shit, damn, I was fighting. Man, rest in peace. Puerto Rican brother, man, Santiago. He was from the Bronx, but he was living in Colorado Springs. I was the underdog. I was underdog to go to the Olympics. They had kicked me off the USA team. You know, I had lost the year before, but they wasn't feeling me cause I had threads and they ain't really want me representing America like that in 1992 with dreads, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, yo, if you don't cut your hair, you ain't gonna make the team. And I was like, I ain't cut my hair, I'm a rebel, I'm a young boy. I'm like, I ain't cut my hair, fuck all that. So they was like, all right, cool, we gonna show you. So they was doing everything to push me, keep me down. And a hustle kept fighting, kept doing my thing. And I got to the championships and the brother, Puerto Rican brother named Santiago, man, he believed in me and I needed that shit because I was out there on the women of prayer. And he said, he told me before the fight, he was like, look, cause they gave him a team of the people that they didn't want to win. So I was on his team, you know what I'm saying? So they was like, yo, he was like, look, they put you on my team cause they don't want you to win. He said, man, I'm from New York, you from New York, you go out there, you win this shit. So his hype got me, but now we in the finals, I'm fighting Javier Alvarez. He got full 500 fights, did you see? I'm fighting him for the second time. He getting at me, we going at it. I sat back in the corner. He said, yo, I'll never forget this shit. I'm 51 years old. I was in 1990, 1992. He said, yo, I had my, I was like this, I'm about to tell him, stop the fight. I can't breathe. I'm like, yo, I said, we in Colorado, you know, they got the altitude, you feel me? That shit got me. I'm like, yo, stop the fight. I can't breathe, I'm about to ask my type. He like, yo, this the heavyweight division. You the man in the heavyweight division. He said, go out there right now and prove to them you the man. And I remembered that his words, and he died rest in peace. I heard about a year or two ago, but I can remember, regularly enough, him sitting right in front of me in the corner, and him saying, yo, look, you the man, go out there and show these you the man. And I went out there and I won that shit. And it touched me because it was the first time major championship, somebody believed in me, pushed me through that shit. You know what I mean? That go crazy. That's the peace. Post-science hero, man. Speaking of what you just spoke about, being in the corner, like, like what would you say is your most intense training? What fight did you have to train the hardest for? Cause you know, the training is really what makes the fighter to me. Like that's the part that most people can't dedicate themselves to. Is that training, nigga? You can't fuck, you can't eat the skin off chicken. Like it's a, it's a, you know what I'm talking about. I don't know. Making weight. You make weight, and then you can gain this weight. I wouldn't have been able to train. I'm a heavyweight, so I can weigh whatever. But, you know, what would you say was your most intense training session for a fight? That you had George Forman. George Forman. George Forman. Fingers back. We need to know. You said that dude is hard as fuck, boy. What about them George Forman punch? Shit. It was just about nightmares. I couldn't sleep for two weeks after Forman fight. Two weeks I was fucked up, y'all. Excuse my language. I was messed up for two weeks after that fight. I'm wearing hard, that man, hard, excuse me. I'm still scared, I'm wearing hard. I'm wearing hard, y'all. I ain't gonna lie to y'all, champ. You know what, like, again, you know, like, again, your pain in your life is what really going on. When you in a moment where you hurting physically, you can numb yourself up. If you got a bigger hurt in your life, I had always had hurt in my life. My mom's was on crack, heroin. My pops was in jail, I'm in the streets. I always had hurt. So my hurt was my fuel. You know what I'm saying? When I fought for Forman, my mom's died. I'm 25 years old. My mom died on my birthday. You know what I'm saying? December 4th, I wake up. I call, you know, my mom's dead. So those pains have always been my drive. You know, it's like, you know, I was fighting Forman first round, Bell Ring, right? I'm hitting it with a jab, bam, bam, bam. I said, damn, I worked for that fight. So I had a thing where I would hook off the jab, one, three. And I did it perfect, y'all. I jabbed that summer catcher's ass. I caught him, bam, with a hook. My hardest hook I ever do. My knuckle, look at the knuckle. I knew it, I seen it, it went right in his eye. The knuckle, everything, bam. I said, I got his ass. He ain't even blinked. Ooh! He was just looking at me. He ain't even blinked. My hardest punch I ever threw, hit him right in the eye. He taught you, bam, he said, Ooh! That will fuck me up! Well, what the fuck are we gonna do now? Yeah, he ain't even blinked. He ain't even blinked. He just looked at me like this. And at that moment, you knew he took all your confidence. You see? I stayed in the corner. I was looking at you. I was looking at you. I should try your video game. I was shook, I was shook, anybody in the corner. Because I knew there was a perfect punch. I knew I felt my knuckle go in his eyeball. I got him. He didn't blink? Was it nothing to me? I'm gonna kill you. And you know what, I don't know why, but some fighters do that before a fight. They don't shower. Like for days. Right. Yeah, that's an old trick. You know what I'm saying? He didn't do that trick. Because we got in the clinch, y'all. I swear to God, we got in the clinch. Oh my God. He was so big. He was so young to go out in the pause or whatever. I'm 50 years old, y'all, man. Chill out, y'all. Man, it's starting good. Man, I grabbed him in the clinch and he smelled like a bear. You smelled like a bear before? Yeah, you go to the zoo, you know how them bears smell like animals? I was like, oh, shit. But I was like, he's a bear, musty, how a bear smell. He just, like a, he been training. That nigga smells like an animal. That nigga gonna smell like a bear. That nigga ain't been a bear. He's gonna fight and don't kill him. Yo, you stank. I was like, damn, but I didn't know what it was. So I came back to the corner first round. That changes everything. Yeah, it does, man. I'm telling you, you grab a nigga, he smell like garbage. Then he wet. Yeah. That shit on your face. Yo. OK, think about that shit right now. Everything stank. I know. You're gonna hit the nigga hard and fall. And he don't blink. And he ain't fainted by your heart. So what happened when you went to the corner? I was sat down. I was like, I'm fucked. What the hell am I gonna do now? So this is the first round. First round, champ. I was sitting there like, damn. And my coach, you know, he ain't speak that much English. Carlos Alvarez, that's my love. That's my heart rate there. My boy, he was my coach. He was like, boxing, boxing, boxing. He ain't speak that much English at the time. I was like, boxing. This motherfucker ain't keep on coming. But I went out there first round. But I say that to say this, my mom's just died. So that number, you would shit. You know, you might think for a second, damn. You know, this motherfucker is stronger. He keep coming, but fuck that. Your mom and dad, nigga. Get out there and go to work. You know what I mean? Make it happen. So that's how it be. You know what I mean? Right there. So you talked about the hardest punch. He hit you with, when did them, boy, you hit him with. What was the one where you realized, nigga? I'm fighting Joe, oven and the smell. But when did you realize, I'm fighting George Foreman because he hit you with one of them George Foreman punches. What round was it? You remember? He was, he was, he was hitting hard, champ. I ain't gonna fight. He was hitting hard throughout the fight. He cracked me into like seventh round. He literally knocked me out. I had to tell you the truth. Hit me with a right hand bomb and I was on my way out and he hit me with a left upper cut and woke me up. Woke me up. Shit. Word up. That's my word. I ain't gonna frown. I tell that story, it's true though. Word up. I was out. He was, I was gone and he hit me and woke me up. But again, mom and dad. So he got back to me. No pain. Right. No pain. Oh, I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get mine's back. Right. That's all I'm thinking. I'm gonna get mine's back. You know what I mean? So it was a tough fight, but you know, I had some tough fights, man. You know, I had some wars. I had a few. I fought Clitsco. I fought him with one arm. I always make that clear. I fought Vitaly Clitsco for 12 rounds with one arm. Why you say that? My shit broke in the first round. Look at that. Oh, shit. Yeah, they had surgery. Yeah. That was right after the fight. They had to go through this side, come through this side. I fought them 12 rounds, stood in the paint, trying to get it. You know what I mean? That's gangster shit. One arm, champ. You ain't never thrown in a white town. I don't believe in that shit. Nah, shit. You know, don't throw it in. Let me fight you. Yeah, rampage, you're going down fast and hard. Jerry 27, you see him over here laughing and playing, but watch when the bell rang. I'm gonna beat the shit out you. I'm gonna beat the shit out you. That's my word. You're gonna see, word. I'm gonna beat the shit out you. You think I'm playing with you, watch. So how do you feel about like MMA fighting? I'm coming over to box. You know, there's MMA boxing, and then there's real boxing. I'm gonna teach him a lesson. Now let me explain something to you. He wanted to fight me. You know what I'm saying? He wanted to fight me. He wanted to do a pro fight. So I was like, yo, I can help you get ready and train you. He was like, train me. I'll beat you. I was like, what? I was like, nah, champ, chill, you know what I'm saying? I was like, you think so? He was like, yeah, if I beat you, it'd be a good look for me, because you got a good name. Then you slap him. Nah, nah, that's somebody else. But oh, so I was like, what? Who slapped? I forgot somebody. You slapped some of the niggas you forgot? Who you slapped? Chill, champ, chill. There's no sense of that waiting for me. Oh, chill, chill, chill. But I'm very big. It's only like popcorn. July 27th, man. Yeah, it's all. I'm back down from this. I'm trying to train. July 27th, 27th. January 27th. January 27th, you said July 27th. I apologize, you can fight another nigga. Already, you're ready, ready. July 27th, ready. No, I don't want to ask you this. I'm already ready. You say, you are, how are you 50? I'm 51,000. 51,000? Yes. And you say you want to have. How many more fights? You know what, champ? I'm going to keep it real. I'm just starting to get back in shape. I mean, I just lost like 13 pounds. Right. You know, I just feel like I could do it, man. I really feel like I could do it. Why not? I'm not going to jump out there, do nothing crazy at first. I'm going to fight myself back in the shape. I call it the par tour. You ain't scared, but you ain't stupid. You're a professional. Yeah, exactly. Once you're a professional, you're always a professional. So how is it, like you said, going by game fights? Knowing that I still can fight, I can bring out a crowd, I can sell tickets. Do somebody have to agree to be like, I'll fight or you just won't be able to fight? No, I'm basically going to take my shoulder roll, you know what I'm saying, and just build up, you know, build back up, fight and stand busy. And then when I'm ready for a major step up, I'm just walking somewhere, flip the table over on somebody, press conference, and be like, what? Right. And then they're going to be like, yo, he back, he back. He back, he back. He back with that shit again, here you go. But I like when you hand fighters, and then when the entourage tries to jump in, you be like, get your chance. This ain't the one you want. You better get them. They like, yo, send it. All right, we'll get them. Don't touch me, champ. Don't touch me, don't touch me. Let's go, champ. Let's go, champ. I'm like, bro, this ain't even the one I have. Oh, man. Oh, man, y'all the best. Like when did you get the, like what was your first time showing up and doing that in your career? Showing up to a press conference or somebody doing like a event, a weigh in, and then you showed up the way you are known to show up now. What was the first time? You made an abrupt entrance. I had, I had, I had bloomed up in weight. I had got up to like, I was 403 pounds. I was, I was depressed. I was suffering from major depression. They prescribed me deprecose, seriquel. They said, you bi-poly, I was just stressed out, you know what I mean, life. And I got fat. And then my friend of mine was, you know, laughing at me one day, telling me how fat I was, different people. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna give my shit to Trevor. So I went on a journey, man. I actually started, I was, I had, I wasn't a cannabis smoker. You know, I grew up with asthma. I still, unfortunately started drinking since I was like 13, 14 years old. And then when I was 40, 39, 40, my partner, pardon me, 38, a friend of mine was like, yo, you should try this instead of prescription drugs. And I tried cannabis and changed me, man. I mean, the first time I literally took the pills, poured them in the toilet and started training. I hadn't been training in years. I started getting in shape. And I started saying, let's go champ as self-motivation, you know what I mean? I lost 167 pounds, came back to boxing. That's a great, that's fucking amazing. I lost 137 pounds, pardon me, and came back to boxing. And I had about four or five fights. And I was telling people, yo, put me in the newspaper, let them know I'm fighting. And it was like, you know, you too old. I was 40. I was like, well, I was like, 39, 40, I'm like, yo, I'm back. And I see it wasn't getting me nowhere. I was like, you know what? I got to get disrespectful. That's the only way, you know what I'm saying? Like sometimes some people only respect violence. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, you know what I'm saying? And the people love violence. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, you know, we humans. So, and that was pissed off to be honest with you, champ, because I was- It's a great bargain. Yeah, but it wasn't even the market. I'm gonna keep it real. I was mad because I was like, yo, I'm doing my thing and let me live. Let me eat. Let me show me. Let me pop my shit off. And it was like, nah, you know what I mean? But I've been blackboarding the game three times already. And I call it era, it's like the HBO era. I was blackball. I was black. I've been blackball for like, quite a few times. You know what I'm saying? Where they was like, you're never gonna get a fight on that or take on TV again. Yeah, yeah, huh? Cause I be talking my shit and also too, you know, I never really, you know, like I told you earlier, I've been working since I was eight years old. Right. You know what I mean? And I always had a boss, you know what I mean? That paid me on Fridays or whatever. And he had tried to jerk me too. You know what I mean? When I got into the boxing game, you know what I'm saying? It was even worse than that. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I literally millions of dollars that I've been stolen from him. Millions and millions and millions of dollars. I can't even go into it. But millions, I couldn't go into it. But y'all be sitting here listening all day. But we'd be like, we'd be like, what? But this boxing shit crazy. So, you know, but on a business wise, you know, I always been hustling, putting plays together and I always had to, you know, be on top of my game. So doing that, they didn't like that. The establishment ain't like me, you know, talking back or basically saying like, yo, that ain't, you know, the paperwork ain't right, champ. Oh, why am I doing this? Why this? And you know, I'm talking back or I'm, you know what I'm saying? I'm asking the questions that should be asked. I'm asking the question that should be asked as a person that's going in there doing it. And a lot of times people will say, yo, take this fight. And I'd be like, no, I ain't taking that fight. That ain't the right fight for me. And, you know, it was all right. Cool. Watch this. And they make that call and try to blackball me. But the good news was the internet came out. So when the internet came out, I was able to move without them. Now, people, the fans is my people, you know what I'm saying? That's why I called the Let's Go Champ Army because they give me the ability to still be seen in the promoters is watching that, you know, the networks is watching. And now we don't have to depend on the network so much, you know, because of streaming platform. Look at y'all, man, come on. Shout out to y'all, come on, come on, y'all. Let's go, Champ, you know what I mean? Studio, beautiful, big, crazy studio, you know what I'm saying? Different rooms, y'all, y'all inspired me in showing me I was an older brother. Look at my young black brothers, man, what y'all doing? This is live at five, man. Hey, get your gym, I want to sponsor some equipment. Oh, word, that's crazy, man. For real, for real, we doing a movie, man. Shout out to Michael Rappaport, to Adrian, Playhouse Production. And shout out to Amazon, Amazon. We just picked up a deal, we're doing an A-Series show. That's hard. And called Brownsville on Amazon. Oh, that's dope. Yeah, A-Series, yeah, right. That's what's up. Let's see, since you're dropping the promo, what's more, send me back the book and drop the date. Let's go, Champ. The book dropped today, you know what I'm saying? I just got the book before I got on the plane today. And fortunately, I was here with you brothers in a long time coming, I'm here with y'all. And I dropped my book today, just got it today. And it's the stories, man, growing up, you know what I mean? Since I was a kid, like I said, hustling, working jobs all my life and then getting in a botan, which is a business as well. So I've always been in a business of making money. I've always been in a business of surviving, finding a way, you know what I'm saying? And literally making it a point not to go to jail, you know what I mean? Because I used to go visit my pops in jail a lot. You know, all upstate New York, every prison, right? Because every state I've been in, clinton, sing all night. So growing up as a kid, going on those buses and all that. So I said, this is something that I wanna stop, you know what I mean? So I think in building this Brownsville Boxing Academy, we'll have an opportunity to save lives, man. Because think about this, you got three heavyweight champions from Brownsville, Brooklyn. Brownsville, Brooklyn is not two miles in size. It's under two miles, it's 1.8 miles. With 200,000 people living in 1.8 miles. Yeah, 200,000 people living, how many miles? 1.8 miles. Damn. Yeah, 200,000 people. I want to thank you. You know, you've been, you've had a long career. Who are some of the boxes that you consider your friends that you fought? That I fought? Yeah. Lenny's Lewis is cool. Yeah, Lenny's is a cool brother. Real talk, he a good brother. Mike, I never fought Mike. Mike is the best, he's the best. Yes sir. He's the best, he's the best. He's the best, he's the best. I'm the funniest shit, we laugh, we laugh, we laugh. I'm cool with everybody, chairman said Rampage, now I'ma knock you out, but not Rampage, he cool, but I'ma knock you out. But I'm cool with everybody, I'm trying to think, who did I fight that I'm cool with? I fought Ray Mercer, I love Ray Mercer, man. Ray Mercer is a G, he's one of the, I think one of the toughest men in the planet to ever live. You know, real talk, he's a soldier. Shout out to Ray Mercer, I fought him in a tough fight. He had a hell of a job, man. I couldn't stop it, no matter what I did, I would look at it, I said, you can go hit me with this one. Ain't no way, I'm looking at his fist, it's no way this one going to hit me. I'm like, God, it's just the timing was crazy, you know what I mean? It was crazy, so Ray Mercer was one of the great fighters in history, and I can say I'm happy to say I fought him. Who's some of your young guys, my man? Some of your young fighters that you like watching or you enjoy seeing them come up today? Man, they all get busy, all of them, Shakira, Terrence Crawford, all of them getting busy, boy. It's a good time to be alive and see the young boys get busy. They don't fight enough for me, but you got David Haney, you know what I'm saying, Loma and Chaco. You got that young boy, Anderson, coming out, shout out to Big Baby Miller, you got like Big Baby Anderson, you got a lot of fighters, man. They coming up, man, but you know, my next, I think my next, besides a couple more fights, just for Ford, to be honest with you, like I'm doing this exhibition with Rampage, I'm gonna have a few fights just for Ford. Shout out to Roy Jones and Antonio Taubo. I just spoke to them yesterday. Let's go, champ. You know, I'm just doing it for fun, but the next stage of my life is to be like Don King, you know, his hair grew up, mine's grown down like this, so I'm gonna try to grow a long hair. Lose a good motion, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. You know, do some more fighters and shit like that. Aldo, I had a question for you. Sure. What's the best fight you've ever seen that you weren't in? I went to see, I went to see Close Circuit, Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Haggler. That shit was cold. She was cold. Not that that shit was cold. Close Circuit. I was a kid, I went to see that shit. That shit was electrifying, man. To see Ray come back after you'll get to Haggler, you know, one of the marvelous ones. Right. That shit was, that was the main strategy that you used. 10 seconds. You didn't see that? You didn't see that? You see that? That's how it was. That shit was crazy. That's the cold, that's one of the best strategies in boxing history right there. That was a cold fight right there. My personal favorite fight that I ever seen was Arturo Gotti and Mickey Ward, the first one. Yeah. The first Mickey, the first Ward Gotti, like that was that, I remember watching it on the HBO, I think it came on the Friday night fights if I'm not mistaken. Them niggas, they fought from round one to 12 and beat the dogs, shit out of each other. Rest in peace Arturo, shout out to my boy Mickey, that's my boy Mickey. Oh boy, you know Mickey, man, listen. That's my brother, I love Mickey. Shout out to Mickey Ward. That's what's up, man. Real brother, real good guy. So who's that? He just likes him. You gotta, you gotta, I gotta ask, like I know this is one of them cliche questions but I gotta know, like who your top five fighters of all time? That's right. First and foremost, Jack Johnson. The greatest. The greatest. The greatest. Niggas don't know about that boy Jack Johnson. He had the hardest path. The hardest path, that's exactly what I was gonna say because of his path, let alone, there was other black fighters better than him at the time from what they say. Really? Yeah, yeah, a lot, that's a lot, quite a few but I don't think they didn't have what he had. No, he had losses, he had losses, he had four, quite a few brothers that had, you know, gave it to him but he came back and beat him. He wasn't undefeated and I'm like that but it wasn't a big thing not to be undefeated but he was walking in front of them boys like this and what? Like, you know, and he had them shook daddy. They was like, he had the pistol, he was gold teeth. He was a gangster. White and women. Three, three of them. Three. Yeah, he was gangster so, you know, but he was a different type of brother than you could talk about, you know, not talk about, people don't talk about him enough but Henry Armstrong, and I say him, yeah, Hurricane Hank, see that's the problem that if there was ever a movie that should be made about a fighter it should be about Henry Armstrong. Yeah, please do look him up everybody because he was the greatest fighter of all times. Better than Jack, Jack just carried a, he carried us on his back because every time Jack Johnson fought they were going killin' sprees and lynch, hundreds of blacks, they would say one or two but hundreds of blacks would be lynched so you knew when Jack Johnson fought black people was gonna die. It was gonna be some killin', That's the good thing? No, but think about this, and I said that too, right? But think about how many people was happy that they couldn't believe there was a black heavyweight champion. They never had nothing to look at it. They never had no baseball players to look at. They had no president, they had no people in government, but they had something and that's what black people all around the world need to understand. Boxing, the sport of boxing, one man changed the earth. Jack Johnson, black people was killed when he fought but think how many were smiling because he was beating them and they couldn't imagine in a million years a billion years that a black man could be a heavyweight champion. So, so crazy that for 40 years after him they would not let a black man fight for the title. What? For 40 years until Joe Lewis came around until they let Joe Lewis fight for the title. So that's how powerful of a man that Jack Johnson was that he was such a figure. Yeah, I don't know, I said the same thing. Damn, people die is a bad thing. But then I started scratching my head and said damn but think how many people was empowered saying yo, we could be something one day. That's like what I was saying, Mike Tyson was in the 80s. Everybody wanted to be a boxer. That's why you see the 90s, now this is deep. The 90s is really the golden era of boxing in the history of boxing, the 1990s. You have more men and young men around the world who wanted to be boxers coming out of the 80s because of Mike Tyson. So you had so many names, I can't begin the name Chris Byrne, Hasim Rockman, Jarman Weez, David Tua. Riddick Bow. Riddick Bow, I ran to Holyfield, but he was from the 80s but just had so many people that wanted to be boxers because of Mike and then Holyfield and that money was in boxer boy, $20 million fights. You could be a bum for getting Mike Tyson fight and getting knocked out and getting $10 million. People was jumping in there, I'm next, I'm next. You understand? They was trying to jump in there and so on. So whether it was like that, did it like that? In regards to what? Meaning like he could fight bums. We spoke the other day on the phone. Yeah, he fought some bums and it was getting the biggest paychecks of their lives. Yeah. Well, I don't know who he fought to be with us. He had some tough fights. He fought everybody they put in front of him. He fought Atturo Gotti who you see and beat the dog, he did him dirty. Everybody he put in front of him, the champ did him dirty. He beat the shit out of Atturo Gotti. My uncle told me some cold shit. He was like, it's two things you never do. You never spit in the wind because that shit gonna blow right back in your face and you never bet against Floyd Mayweather. Yeah, yeah, champ get busy. Oh yeah, all the way. Shout out to the champ. But the thing is, what was the most, I tell you mine first so you get the reverence of the question. You know what I mean? As a boxing fan, that's my favorite sport. I love boxing. But. Ain't no more water. When? Like watching as a fan, to me, when Roy lost when I was a young nigga, that shit shocked me. Yeah. It shocked me. I remember watching that shit in there. This ain't real. I couldn't believe it was real. You was there? I was there. I was there. Man, that shit, I remember sitting like, what the fuck? Roy lost. Because there was some shit we never seen before. We never seen before. We never even seen him get. I remember when he got that disqualification and came back and knocked the nigga out in the first round. But was there anybody that, you know, that you were a fan of throughout the time that you, you know, that took a loss that you didn't think was capable of losing that shot you? Mike Tyson. Mm-hmm. Mike Tyson, man. When Mike lost the Buster Douglas, bro, we was in like shock. Who would have thought, you know what I mean? That's just shocked the world. Shocked the world. Mike Tyson, bro. I was like, hey, yeah, I was like, man, y'all ain't shrimpin', man. You know what he gonna do when he get up? Sheesh. You wasn't born yet. Nigga. I seen it. Yeah. That's a bad one, man. That was a bad man. Yeah, because nobody ever thought he was gonna lose. I think he really won that fight. If you really go back and watch it, he really dropped it, but he just ain't gonna lose. That first knockdown, that first knockdown, he was down like 12 seconds. Something like 17 seconds, he was talking about this because they didn't count. And then like, and then when you watch the replay, you see them at the way and count one, two, and they got like 19, so. It was a one count, but you know, that's how boxing is, man. You know, it's how it is, champ. You know what I mean? That's how it is. You have been robbed. I've been robbed before. Not robbed, like in Brownsville. I'm talking about robbed in the ring. What J.C. said, yeah. In the ring, I've been robbed by managers and promoters worse. Yeah, but we don't know if we can get it or not. But I'm talking about in the ring. I thought I got robbed in the fight. Yeah, I thought, I know, I felt like I got robbed. Yeah, I wanted to fight. But the system was against me at the time. You know, the administration at the time that was on the helm, they was against me. And they took a fight from me that I thought it could have been a draw. You know what I mean? But I just jumped out the bed, took the fight. I'm gonna knock him out. And do I know he had been a training camp with Klisco. So he was used to getting punched, you know, beat up. So first round I came up, cracked him up. He outta here. I gotta ask you about, gotta ask you about, you know, the biggest scandal in recent years with the Koto fight, with the gloves, with the gloves. What did you, what was your take from that? You remember the first fight, that shit was underbrewed. But the redemption fight is one of my top five fights all the time. That was crazy, how was that? Shout out to Miguel Koto, good brother. Miguel Koto, Manuel Marquez. Yeah. What happened? Oh, he put the plaster on there on Margarito. Margarito, that's it, that's what it was. Was plastered or they put it to... No, it was the member, he wrapped his hands with the plaster and then he had that little, that little wow, that's a metal plate inside the hand wrap. Man, fucked him up, man. When you see Miguel Koto, that first fight, where it looked like somebody was hitting him with a bat. It was crazy. And then he ended up fighting, they ended up finding out about it and caught it before he fought Shane Mosley. They caught it right before he fought Shane Mosley and they didn't call the fight off. No, he was great. Do that shit to Shane Mosley. And they caught him. Oh, the same dude. The same dude. And then Shane Mosley came out and beat the dog shit off. He's trained and caught it. Yeah, he's trained and caught it right before the fight. And they made him change his gloves. Yeah, yeah, they made him unwrap his hands and that shit, that shit, yeah, god. It's God's, man, that shit is hard. You feel this shit? Yeah. And then it's plastered and shit, I heard. That's why you got staked. Does that happen more often than in boxing that you don't hear about? It felt like it happened to me in a fight with somebody. I was like, ain't no way in the world that that's his fist. And they was kind of known for that. But I knew cause he was, every punch he hit me with, I was like, God, how could that be? You know what I mean? But I was sparring this African dude one time and he was hitting me so hard, bro. I swear to God, I was like, yo, it's something in his gloves. I came back to my corner. I said, yo, son, son in his gloves. My trainer was like, nah, just go out there. I went back, I thought he hit me again. He was, he was, man, I had not, I can't even go out there. That's something in his gloves, man. He went and took off the man's gloves. He had nothing in there, man. Damn. That man was hitting hard. Yeah, and then, and then. You can't have what you want with Zee Brown's cloth. He just had a job with his fist. I see that. I hear that. I've got two high enough. One high enough. Yo, I couldn't believe it, yo. But then we had to be smart. He went out and started hitting the bag and he knocked the bag down. Damn. That's my word. He knocked the bag down. I'll never forget. Cause I was still in the ring. Thinking about that ass whooping, he just gave me and I was like, damn, I was young, I was 21 years old. So think about it, well, I went shit like that. Like if the world could have gotten to see him, who is, who is, so the sparring be some of the greatest fighters versus the one that people see. Bro Ski. What is something I would have seen this motherfucker? Bro Ski, I'm telling you, I had some dudes that I've been in the ring with that I say was cold and then definitely the coldest of the champions. Man, I bought some dudes that was hella, hella dudes, man. Maurice Harris, everybody know Maurice Harris. Most people in boxing. One of the best sparring I ever had. I ain't hit him yet. That was 90, I hit him yet. He was cold. Some dudes could fight in that gym. Some dudes, gym fighters, you know what I'm saying? But then sometimes he put them in front of you. The lights come on, bro. They say, man, I can't do it, man. I seen them. I seen dudes leave from the dressing room. They say, well, how'd they say he couldn't do it, man? They never. So what's the difference between gym fighters and the light fighters? So I don't know, man. I knew a dude, bro. That's my word. He was so cold. I don't want to blow his name up, but yo, so he was so nice. And the gym, nobody could see him. I'm talking about, he was a middleweight, but the heavyweight was like, nah, nah, nah, please. Nah, he was coaching makers going in with him. He was nasty. But when it was fight time and the bell ring, his legs wouldn't work. He just would crumble and jump on the ground. We couldn't believe it, because he was a fly dude. He was, you know what I'm saying? He had everything in the making to be a world champion. And he just could not get in front of those lights, man. Some people went and got it, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's like that in comedy. Yeah, yeah, I heard that. I heard, I heard. I feel give and take. We ain't getting hit by no Africans. That ain't like that in comedy. Ain't nothing, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That ain't for show, man. Nah, we appreciate your OG. Oh, thank you, man. That's all, man. Thank you. Where's the book available? Oh, man, the book is available at champ.business. Yeah. I said, champ.business. No.com under that. Champ.business. Learn how to champ.madeit, man. All the secrets to, you know, success in my life and not an overcoming and doing the best I can to be the best I can. Man, champ.business. And if you go to the website right now, you can download it for free. And if you win, if I mail it to you, I'm putting $1,000 in five books. I'm going to send them to you. Whoever gets the $1,000, you get the priceless information, and you get $1,000. Five books with $1,000 in it. Thanks. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Let's go. Look at him, y'all. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. Let's go champ. I got y'all live. I'll send them up. I got y'all live. I'll send them up straight. But first, you won all five books. Ooh nah, that applicant go win all five books. He can save it to me. He can clean my money. Because you first... It's your first time coming today to pay himself a show. But if you ever want to stop through here and tell us a thousand boxing stories, you know you more than I should, man. I want to do a boy's show. I want to do a boy's show. Broke, man. I gotta do that. I got to do that show, man. I can't wait. Send them up. We ain't gonna, we not even in this show until you throw me the sharpie. We got all the legends who stopped through here. They sign the table. And until we get our sign pad luck for the studio, we gonna just, we'll accept it on the table. 85 South Show, Shannon and Cannon, we out of here. Let's go champ, let's go champ, let's go champ. Let's go champ, starting my son, champ, I love you. Let's get a picture, let's do it. Move, no, no. Oh, it's you, man. Come on, man, what you doing here? Hey, there we go. Oh, man, I love you, boy, thank you, champ. Okay, what's this? We got him all on this. Yeah? Yes, sir. Oh, I'm like popcorn. Come on, let me get my book signed. With the camera, let me get the camera to the lead. What do you want me to promote to the lead? I'm gonna take this.