 So this meeting is being recorded to our town of Amherst. Zoom channel and it will be uploaded to the town website. Actually the town YouTube channel. And my name is Angela Mills and I work for the town manager. And at this time it's like to recognize the chair of this commission. And that is Terry holds and Terry, I will make you the host this meeting and I wish everyone a good evening. Great. Thank you so much. Well, hi everybody. Hi, so let me let's go on with our official stuff here. Hi, I'm Terry Holt. I'm the chair of the Amherst art commission. In light of the ongoing COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak, the then governor Baker issued an emergency order on March 12, 2020, allowing public bodies greater flexibility and utilizing technology and the conduct of meetings under the open meeting law. Pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so in the following manner by clicking on the zoom link. This recording gets uploaded to the town's YouTube channel promptly after the meeting. No in-person attendance by members of the public is permitted, but every effort is made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time. Via technological means and in the event that they are unable to do so or regardless, we will post this to the town's YouTube channel shortly after the meeting. So we have our microphones working and our speakers working. Everybody say yay. Yay. Yes. Jim, I can't hear you very well. I'm turning up my volume but I can fix that. I love the background you chose here Jim. This lovely. Thank you. I took that on a campaign trip in the middle of the wilderness. Well, you really stand out in front of it. Very, very much. I love it. Okay. Let's take a look at our agenda. Everyone have your agenda. Okay. So I call this meeting to order at 6.03pm. And we are here except for a lorry. And I'll take this moment now to invite public comment. But we do not have anybody in the waiting room. So we'll move on. First order of business is to approve the May and June minutes so that we can finally get those uploaded. We did not have quorum in the last meeting. So we do this time. Fantastic. Yay. Quorum. Have you all had a chance to take a look at the May and the June meeting minutes by chance? Yeah. Yep. Okay. So in the May. Let's go. Let's do this one at a time for the May minutes. Do we have changes on this? I think Jim, the changes we already had were that the second sentence where it says Miss King read the script should say Miss Holt read the script. Right. I fixed that. I figured you did. And were there any other? Sorry about that. I hadn't updated my form. That's okay. I think everything else here. Was good. Anybody have any changes to these minutes? No. Okay. Then let us take a moment to. Approve these minutes and get them entered into the record. So make a, anybody want to make a motion? Yes, Mikey. You're muted. Make a motion. Great. Well, those of you who approve, please say yay. Yay. Yay. Fantastic. June or June is next. Where is my June? I have my May here and I don't have my June. Has everybody looked at the June? The June minutes. I'm trying to pull mine up. Yes. Yes. Do we have any changes to those? I'll look real quick. Cause I think I forgot to download it here. Here we are. June June. Okay. I took a look at this already. Does anybody else see any, any errors or need any changes? No. Okay. That said, so anyone to make a motion to pass these minutes. I make a motion. Okay. A motion has been made to approve the June minutes. Everybody in agreement, please say yay. Yay. I think I have to abstain. I wasn't at the meeting. So I can't really. It was. Hi. That's a good question. I think if you have looked over the minutes, I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think today I believe is the important part. Even if you were not present, I don't think you need to have been present to approve the minutes. Am I wrong, Jim? Frankly, that's never come up. I don't know the answer. It certainly makes a, it makes a certain logic. Yeah. I think considering that there's going to be an approval, whether you vote or not. I would abstain just to be safe. I'll figure it out by next time. Cause I'm curious. All right. There we go. Statement and abstain in that case. So maybe I should abstain too. And not. Not. We're neither one of us for that. Okay. I believe we still can pass these minutes. Yeah. It's getting a little down close to the. Yeah, I guess it still passes, right? We have a quorum. Let's say we have a quorum. Right. So therefore we can. All right. I think that's all right. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. So be it. So both, both minutes are now passed and we can be posted to the website. Thank you. All right. Moving on. So. Cherryport. Ooh, I was still writing this. I am going to finish this, but I'll go ahead and read, but I've gotten so far. And I'll send it to you, Jim. And just a minute. I am like so close. You know what? I could just. Send it to you. Right now. This is pretty good. And you can wait for the minutes. And I can just attach it. Absolutely. I'm going to email it to you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. We are official here. You have a little trouble attaching all those proposals. I think. Okay. Cherryport. So I'm. Starting with poetic dialogue. I received an invoice to send it to you. And I can just attach it. Absolutely. I'm going to email it to you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. We are official here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We received an invoice today from Camille Peters. Thank you. Camille. For repairs and in the invoice that says that once payment has been made, he will be going to buy the materials and make the repairs to poetic dialogue. I forwarded that invoice long to Robert and Camille will be making the repairs. Once it's made, like I just said. I'm really, really hoping to get this project repaired by the September block party. So I'm hoping to get this project repaired by the September block party. So I'm coming into town. There's a lot of stuff going on in town. I'd really love to get that back up and looking pretty. And then I think we have to say for the record that this is probably the only time we're going to be able to repair this particular project. So I think it's had its life, you know, had a good life. So let's hope that we don't have a crazy. Crazy college students, you know, you tear and stuff down. I think that was what happened. I think it's going to be a great future. So. For making it public, I invited Gabrielle to the meeting. I don't see her. So I am assuming she couldn't make it or maybe she'll come on a little bit. We will hold that space open in case she comes to talk. But I will say that I was. I got an email from the New England foundation for the arts. And I gave them the information and Gabrielle, I think has been on vacation. So I think it's been hard for her to respond, but I told her then where we are in the process and where we are. In case you weren't here, we are right now. Choosing our amazing panel of judges and we had to decide who was going to be from our group, the representative from, from public art. And I volunteered to do that, but I would love it if somebody else jumped up. I would love it if somebody else jumped up. I would love it if somebody else jumped up. I would love it if somebody else jumped up. I would love it if somebody else jumped up. Really, you know, it's up to you folks, but I can make the meetings to meet these lovely people and help with the project. But if one of you would like to step in to be the. Representative from public art. I'm happy to, to, you know, to see that happen. So just let me know. And we'll work out that later. We're talking about making it public now. Yes. Yes. Once we have the judges. We'll, we'll be there. The judges, they will move on to the, the fun part where we get to look at the proposals. And I think we have not really even thought about that. I think we have three candidates. So it'll be fun to look those over, but I believe we're waiting for the judges to be, to choose to be on our panel. So that's very exciting. Yes, Sarah, Thank you to see all the proposals. Oh yeah, just in our okay great. Oh yeah, we will be able to look them up yeah. And I, we will have those conversations and we won't be as a, as a commission we won't be making the choices but we will have our voices, represented by the person who is on our team who is in the judges panel so I think we will that person will be informed by the rest of ours conversations so that that makes sense. So what we're going to talk about is portal gallery which we're going to go over today. Did you all get a chance to look at the proposals for that we had seven proposals point of order do we get a treasures report. Yes, oh, is that I'm so we're doing cherry port first. I'm going in the order of the. Oh, gender that's what I was doing. My agenda is saying that the cherry port is still continuing. Okay, let me finish my stuff and then I'll hand it over to Robert. Okay. Okay, so for portal gallery we're going to be looking that over today as a commission and we can. I'd like to wait for Lori's before we make any decisions but we can take a look what's out there. I've, you have the information so we can peruse it together. I have to say I was not able to apply for an extension to use the 2023 funds for this project. I had some outstanding questions about the process and people who I was asking questions of one vacation. We had a lot of people in the town council or town, kind of gone and I know, I think Holly couldn't get back to me so. I just want to sort out how the payments work for past fiscal year's projects and how we're going to pay this and how we're going to pay the DPW to create the sign, and I'll have to get back to you guys on that because I just don't know. So that was that. I do. Next I, okay. So, um, you all know there's a September block party, right, I'm new to town but I went to a last year is fantastic. September block party is put on by the BID and the cultural council and a few sponsors I believe I had a great time last year my kid loved it. So I sent an email to to Matt Holloway, am I saying his name correctly. Matt, Matt, Matt Holloway, I sent an email to Matt Holloway who is one of the chairs of the cultural council and asked if we could get a table. It's important for us to show up and promote our making a public project. So I'm asking for a table and for that intention to promote the project. And also just to kind of, to kind of make an appearance and kind of, you know, put us on the map, I feel like we're doing things in the shadows and I want to be out in the sun. That's a good idea. Yeah, thank you so I'll wait till he gets back to me and share that with you and let you know how how that's going but we've got a few months to think about it so. Sarah, you have a banner that says who you are that will go on the table so that you don't get clear, we don't yet but we will. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I have, I have some plans to do that and I also have some ideas for logos to kind of create an identity and well we can talk about that that's not I can't spend a lot of time on that yet because we have so much other work to do but I do want to have something on the table that says who we are so we'll we'll talk about that. We can make a fancy t shirt and we can all wear it. That's the next thing because we could always use red bubble we can make, you know, my, my wife is an artist. We can send images to red bubble and get our own t shirts but that's I have plans we'll talk we'll talk about that. Okay. Next thing was strategic planning. I want to put a bookmark on this, we tabled this because it's very hard right now to get people together and summer is hard especially. But I do want to put on the record that I'd like to begin working on our three year plan for the Commission, keeping in mind that 2026 we will be celebrating the US semi semi quintessential in July 2026 so that's what we need to start putting on our radar and you know what that looks like. There's grants to be applied for. I think there's, there's something we need to kind of kind of focus on there so that's, I'm not saying everything is going to be, you know, July 2026 but I think that our three year plan should definitely incorporate some kind of a plan or a vision for how we want to. How we want it if we want to represent Amherst and public art in some way for that. So what's about that. We can let us do we can get back to it. Yeah. Okay, this I'm going to put out there. And the last thing is that we had our new commissioner update so I met with the town manager, Paul Bachman and also Matt Holloway co chair of Amherst cultural council and Jim Pastrana, Jim Pastrana my so mess. His name right. He chairs the residents advisory committee and we interviewed six candidates for commission positions. And the cultural council needs to and we need one so we met amazing candidates. I would be happy to have any one of them on our commission they were really great great candidates, two of them. We have more students, which I think is fantastic. And I'm really excited and we'll get back to you about that once the town council gets to have their talk and etc but we've got a some really good, really good candidates coming away so I'll let you know how that goes. And then that is the end of my chair report. So we can move on to the Treasury report now, if you're ready Robert. So, I apologize I don't have much to report the last bit of business that I was trying to follow up on was I contacted Holly, who is the controller at the town to try to get some information on. I'm wondering if we had actually received those funds from the cultural council if it's reflected in that $4,000 balance that we have I did not receive a response. Okay. So I did not get a response to mine either Robert so I am under the assumption that she might be on vacation. I mean, I said, I sent my email a while ago. I said mine in June I didn't get a response yet so yeah I sent mine even prior to that so perhaps I'll try to follow up with someone else in the finance department there. More immediately. I will follow up on process for making sure that. I'm sorry, I'm forgetting his name. Camille. Camille Peters. Yeah, Peters will get. We'll get that process going so that he's paid so that that restoration can happen. And I need to do that for the end of this week I'm. It's been somewhat hectic time and I'm actually leaving for vacation for two weeks on Sunday so. Oh wonderful. Those who need help with that process Robert let me know. Yeah, I think I mean Holly had sent me the procedures I think it's a matter of filling out a form and submitting it to her but I'll certainly copy you on everything so if there's some response while I'm away. You'll, you'll be notified. Okay. Is that Mr Peters did you say. Yeah Camille Peters. Yes. Mr. So that's, that's about it from the, the Treasurer's report. Okay, so the process for getting checks is about a two week process Holly told me. So it might work out perfectly but whenever she's ready for the check to be signed. I'll be in town I'm good. And if we need another commissioner to come sign that check I will. I'll get in touch with one of you guys to help me out. Okay. And I guess to be honest, I wasn't, I wasn't clear that that we are actually check signers that's that's interesting to me because, you know, well that's what Shoshona told me that that you haven't signed a document that has a bank's logo on it you probably are not a signatory. Well that's exactly the point I'm making because I didn't fill out any sort of form related to that. I wonder if we need if we that's something we have not done yet and we're supposed to because I haven't done that either. No, but they have to have your signature before you can sign a check obviously so if you haven't get it to them you're not. Okay, so this is a conversation to have with the accounting office I guess because I don't know the answers either. But I, I mean, frankly I would also be surprised if they had us as signers and it wasn't someone from the time but anyway, I'll clarify. It's something Shoshona told me that she and one other person had to sign the checks but I did not hear that from anybody else so I'll get more information. I doubt it too. I was Robert on that one. Okay. All right. I don't want to be a signer. You don't want to be a signer. No yes, it comes with certain amount of responsibility that I don't particularly wish to assume, you know, and I wouldn't recommend anybody else on this committee do it either. Oh really. Okay. I mean, if something goes wrong with the bank account you're going to be asked questions you know like. So, it's not a big risk but you know who needs it with we got other things to do and they've got people whose job it is to manage the bank account. I mean typically would be an employee. Anyway, I will clarify. Okay. Great. Next on our agenda. We have town hall gallery exhibitions update. Karen Reese's photography exhibit has been taken down and Karen. Karen Reese tunnel tunnel. Her exhibit is up and it's all hand colored colored pencils. And it is unreal. It is beautiful stuff is just beautiful. That's great. So I have a copy of her. Information I'll just send it to you. Great. And if you have photos of her do you like an artist photo of her because she has a website to I could always take some stuff right. No, I don't have a photograph of her. Okay, I'm going to. I'll help you with that and we'll get the information we need so we can put that on the website because we have that lovely page called featured artists that we have on there that's linked from our public art page. And we have a little bio of them and some pictures so just to kind of help promote it, and then we can push that to Facebook so that we can get some more eyes on the exhibit I want more people to come in and take a look at your, your great work. Thank you so much. We need to look for artists starting for January and we need to go down the road of how many artists we want and do we want to go back to the way that Amy Crawley had the, had it set up she had an old form which was that they would take six hours per year. Every two months, and there was an announcing a call for artists but there was a whole logistics during the applications, coordinating the exhibits with the artists. But that was during the time that they had Thursday nights, right. We don't have that. I've talked to many people and they keep asking for Thursday nights. But that's a whole another ball of wax. It is, and it's something I would really love to return to having and that's something I think I don't know if we have to wait for the end of the pandemic era or what we need to do but I would love to bring Thursday nights back. Well, I think the bid was in charge of that originally. They were, or they're part of it. I don't know if they were in charge. I know and Tweety did it, but she's not there anymore. Okay, so maybe maybe that's a conversation to have with Gabrielle. Right. Yeah. Okay, and maybe the Chamber of Commerce as well because getting some or buy in from the town would be would be really excellent and they can bring in sponsors which would be great. So I know that the Emily Dickinson Museum. Black sheep town hall, the bid and the Amherst Historical Society all were open for Thursday nights for exhibitors for each month that it happened for the Thursday night thing. The artist that was in the town hall was there for two months. But there was opening on Thursday night for that artist and that's one. Yeah. Okay, we have to make sure with the town that we can get that building open on a Thursday night. Yeah, that's that's part of the problem I think right there. This is something to definitely put on our wish list, you know, for 2024 and for our strategic planning is to get this back. Yeah. Okay, but a lot of people want it in the town. I love it. If there's demand that I'd love to get that going again. Right. Okay, if you'll help if you'll just send me what you have for Karen. I'll go ahead and put something together and I'll send it to Angela to get it on the website. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, what a dialogue update and repairs I already gave them to you. When Camille gets back to me. Once I pay him, I'll let you know, I'm hoping, like I said, I'm hoping to get this done by August. He's a really neat guy so I've had lots of conversations with him. So, I'm making a public update already give you that portal gallery at boltwood okay here we are at portal gallery at boltwood so I'm going to share my screen. I figure out the magic for doing that again sharing screen. Here we go green button that one and share some green for screen. You see it. You see my here I am. See you don't see you only see me. Yep. You see my or says agenda. Yeah. Why don't you don't James. I do not know you always have to be special. They want to be special I want to see the art. All right. Well, that's odd can everybody else see what I'm doing here. You all can see it. That's, that is beyond weird. All right, so Jim, you might have two windows open and I got it I got to win as I figured it out. You did. So let's go in order here I've got all seven here let's start with Dominique peachy. And let's look at the images first because I'm very visual. Her stuff is very. Just ask a question, it might be helpful. I think it's personally I could use a reminder what did the call for ours. Give guidelines in terms of anything related to this I guess what I'm asking is, you know as we look at these. Are there certain criteria that we should be using to evaluate them. Yes, I can share with you the, the call actually it's on the website and see if I can pull that up real quick. Yeah, and really. I think most of the artists had had the requirements in mind. Where did I put this. Oh, here now one second let me see if I can just find where I'm going here. What I saw so far was that most of them had an idea, not not all. Let me see. Okay, call for art click here to read the call for it okay. So we gave them dimensions and we told them it did not need to be three dimensional, it can have a play it can be plugged in if it needs illumination obviously there's lights in there. I think it's a very engaging works of art unique I think we use the word unique in here too, because it's definitely unique gallery. Okay, so it was fairly open ended. Yeah, and I think for that for the reason is the reason we left it so open ended is that it's it's an on duck. It's a very gallery right. Thanks, I just. Thank you for bringing that up actually Robert I it's good to have an idea of what the, you know, specifics that we asked for were. You don't want to you want to avoid structure. Well, within parameters and so this is the piece that I believe Dominique Dominique brought in to the commission to the town office and dropped off and said this is what I do. It's a mirror art I believe this is the one. So she's going to make I think five pieces that are something like this but let's look it over real quick five colorful mirrored images led backlighting which we have the capability for timers I don't I don't know about timers but I don't think they're very expensive if we need to get timers. I like the fact that you can see your reflection in it I think that's kind of cool. Let's see. Can you provide an image of what the reflection might look like or am I thinking of somebody else's. I think you might be thinking of someone else's this is the only image that we got and this is actually a picture that Angela took of the of the piece that was dropped off at the at the office and I think it was it's a hard piece to visualize. Actually, I saw it with Angela and she put a light behind it and it was so cool. I wish we had there. Yeah, it just lit up and it was you saw circles and different things. I was really impressed. That's really cool. I mean I can see that thing in my imagination and what I'm seeing is really pretty terrific. Right. That's pretty cool. That would be a very unique installment. Yeah. I like that a lot. Okay. All right, the next one. See. Next one was Michelle vision probably still saying that terribly wrong. I love her little animals. Sorry we're going through these my computer is slowing down. I loved her little animals I thought they were very sweet. Yeah, those two. Yeah, it's their five little guys. I love the theme. I love the possum. Those are great. Again, these are sketches that I don't think these are like you know completed obviously these are her ideas, which I love. Are they backlightable. Let's we'll read that in just a minute. I'm not quite sure. Okay. And we have the parrot here I love this. Okay. So, so cute. And then where's the fifth one of this one. Oh, it's a skunk, which I love. She's very, very cute. I'm a big fan of her little creatures and her proposal. I can't seem to find. I'll have to find that because I don't think I have it. Let's see if I can look her up. Michelle be I g a n t. I thought I had her. All right, we'll go back to her I think I might have put her handy if you needed. Sorry. You have Michelle's bio. Yeah. If you would not mind reading it or do you want to share your screen. Go to the next one and I'll get it going while you do that. Okay, look at Pamela real quick. This is Pamela Costa. Lovely sketches. I like how she gave us her color palette down here. Okay. So I think she's really good at creating things, expanding the world. Each work could compose of layers of hand cut paper, creating three dimensional scenes held in recessed panels. So each would be a small density detailed tableau. I love this idea so much. Rich in detail and narrative would lend itself perfectly to the sense of gazing into a portal that I believe this thoughtful public art installation aims to tap into. So I'm going to go to the next one over here and. Yeah, that is. Oh, I think there's a couple of more in here though. So there's this one as well. Is that it? One more, which is slow. Slowly loading. It's like I have too many windows open or something. There we go. Okay, so this is a sketch of the proposal. I was seeing this in my mind, but I like her idea a lot. It's a neat idea. Okay, did you want to go back to the path of the last one, Jim, since you have that. I'm going to see. Post disabled participants green sharing. I'm going to stop sharing and so you can share. I am. Okay, I'll try and see if it works. Okay. No, I can't do it. She only gave sharing to you. I multiple panelists can share simultaneously. Yeah, you try now and see if that works. Okay. Yeah, I can do it. What are you seeing? Here we are. Okay. So this is. Seeing the right thing. This is not the right person. We were on. What was her name shooting? I've forgotten her name. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. There are one bonus thing. Hang on. First, first name was Michelle. Michelle. Oh yeah. Hang on. I think I got it. Michelle, Michelle, Michelle. Oh, no. I'm sorry. The metal and print making PT. Something PT. Oh yeah. Dominique. Dominique. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So I see E. And T. This is the wrong one. Yeah, look for Michelle. I think that's how you say her name. I have an indifferent order from you. That's all. Michelle. I have been. Benny Dominique. Peachy. Lauren Hazel, Melissa, Michelle. The John. The motion. Cyclops. That's the only ones I have. As Michelle. Michelle is. Michelle. Michelle is on. Okay. Okay, I've got five J pegs. Yeah, I had that too. I just can't seem to find her what she wrote up about it. Okay, I don't think I got it. Okay. But there. I, I cannot find it as well can share the screen to show you the samples if you want or you can, which is, can you. Actually, I had her up. Can you see it now. This one of them. And then that's the other one. And then that's another one. Let's go. I love her stuff. Very cute. That's that one. And that's that one. Oh, God, they're so cute. I'm stopping share. Okay. I will take it back over. Thank you, Jim. You're welcome. Let's see if I can get this going again. All right, so here's, here's mine again, if you can see. All right. I am bummed that I can't show what she she wrote something so I'm going to look for that and if I find it, I'll send it to you. Okay, so on to Benny Kleinman. His entry came in a little bit late, but I accepted it because he sent me an email saying things and I said okay. This is native plants and animals referenced in poems by Emily Dickinson includes five dioramas with painted walls and structural elements using wire fabric and structure sculptural embroidery. Each portal acts as a window into a peaceful nature scene using overhead lighting. Animals and plants inside will look real at a glance, but if you look closely you'll see they're made of tiny embroidered stitches. It's really cool. Illustrated poems will be painted or engraved so you can read the text as you look at the installation. So, this is her, the copy of the example, which is really pretty isn't that beautiful. And then sketch of all five portals in a row it's a little bit hard to see this I'm going to see if I can like, let me get a little closer here. Let's get to the portal in the center Emily's writing room. Really cool. And then these kind of get closer here sorry it's really huge. Here we are. So he has the poem beside it and then I guess kind of illustration. It's kind of that's really, really cool. And then there's this one. So these are very innovative. Yeah. Display I think this would be really cool. I love incorporating poetry into art. I think that's really neat. We clearly have some extremely good artists in town. Yeah, I love it. So, there we have this one. I'm going to smaller again. Okay, and then back to that was Benny's. Then next is Lauren Hazel, and hers is luminescence. These are prototypes. That was one of my personal favorites. Change color via reflection and refraction of light I think this is the one I was thinking about with the, with the light changes. These are just really cool too. I'm going to read about her process a little bit too. See that that's really, really different. It is different. I love how every artist has a different just a such a different, a different idea, you know, no two are anywhere near the same. Then description, preliminary model that preliminary models. Each artwork is a collage of glass stones or reflective paper. Each iridescent paint and paper. And I guess she'll be using direct light to just totally fine. This series of work is inspired by the play of light on the surface of gently moving water. I love that. Oh, yeah, an experience that quietly reminds us of our own inner life. That's lovely. That's what I like her quote she's got here. I wish just a grain of sand dreaming of the ocean when that dream transformed me into a pearl. That's beautiful. Okay, so our next artist is Rachel Shikoff. And let's look at the art first because I love that. She does fabric. Multimedia. Very very cool. Very innovative all of these. We could take a long just do one by one. And we wouldn't have to go through this again for months. Did we go and get to look at really cool art for months. I love this job. And then so small scale work and mixed media elements for photos past drawings paintings, a wooden vintage letter embroidered fabric wooden apples and pears. I organize all my work as though as a puzzle fitting all the shapes lines and colors into a cohesive whole. Yeah, also just really, really interesting. Love it. And our last one is Melissa McLung. And remembering where her art is. Oh, she's got a website. On the website. Yeah, so she's got zoetrope animations. It says you're featured art by Robert McLung and I was curious. We have I have almost every one of his books he grew up. His kids grew up next door to my husband on sunset. Oh, he's a, yeah, he worked for National Geographic. There's an exhibit at the Pelham Historical Society of Adam every year. Wonderful writer. Wonderful. Oh yeah. And there's a there's a Robert Frost. I mean Robert Frost Robert McLung trail and hammers or Pelham. I'm not sure which, but he was on sunset. Okay, then the big one of the big houses on sunset. Okay, thank you for that. Sure. So she will set up an apparatus to spin the zoetropes via pulley system or simple electronics. I'm very curious about that. Patrons will appear into each portal and each zoetope slips to see the spinning bite sized animations. The theme is the first few months of motherhood. Love that. It'll be very personal for her I love this. The tiny scenes will be in log or digital drawing and collage each portal will connect to one step of just all of Joseph Campbell's hero's journey I love Joseph Campbell crossing the threshold challenges and temptations revelation transformation and return. That really is. Finally I'll incorporate my grandpa's nature illustrations into the zoetropes. That's really great. This is lovely. I'm going to go to this website I think I thought I had this as a link but I can't hear me I did not. Let's go take a look real quick at her stuff. And give it a second to load. Well, okay. Yeah, I went to the website. Yeah, so if can you if you can see my screen here. And this is really cool. I think the motion would attract some people that wild about the one with the horses so. So she's got great ideas I don't feel like they're as fully formed but right. Click here to watch a short reel of previous work was going to take a look at this real quick and just to. Can't see what that would look like when she finished it. Yeah, this is a animation to which is obviously isn't going to work but such a show her work I guess. Very cool. But of course this isn't the work that she's. Yeah, being into her preview so that's a bit of a pig in the poke. Yeah. Okay so very interesting. Yep. Anybody want to talk about any of the ones that they like the best here. I do chat about each one. Yeah, give me a minute before I kind of having a little bit of trouble because I'm trying to take minutes and do. Okay, so the ones that I like the best, but I've got another idea to I like Vinny's and Lawrence the best all I liked all of them. And why do we need to pick one that's my, my idea. Why can't we pick multiple one and get and schedule them Siri autumn. Because well, I think the reason is that we're doing the. Well, first of all there's only one prize. What we say right now there's only one price how much is the price. I want to say 1500 but I don't remember. I'll put it aside. Okay, so if you get the money for more prizes, could we do it. Well, so in the past, the sign that is that is on this gallery has has the artist information on it. So that would be a big price change to have to change out the sign every time. We can get DPW to do that I don't I'm not sure. I think we need to change the signage anyways and make it a two part sign so that the first part of the sign explains what the bullet would project is. And the second part of the sign which can be removable would have the artist but that's a conversation with DPW first I think. Okay, this would be so we would this would increase our cost dramatically if we had to put five signs up for all the winners or six. This is permanent forever that we pick one down. This is a one year project so we find new people next year so what we could do is say we loved what you did please apply next year. It's always hard to pick, you know, to pick for years always always hard to pick, you know the best ones. We don't know how much the sign costs. We don't yet know but I've. So we have $2,500 for this project if I remember correctly. And so I figured 1500 goes to the artist and the 1000 will go for the DPW to put a sign up and for installation and little incidentals if you want to have an opening. I mean, I really just ballparked it and hoped that $1,000 would cover that I really don't know what DPW costs for signage show. I don't really have a lot of records on that. I need to have a conversation with them about it. Okay, I hate to spend almost as money, almost as much money on the sign as I do on the artist. I do too. I would rather give the artist more money but I. Our budget is a little small guys. Why is the sign so expensive? Is that an exterior sign? It's the fact that I don't know the sign. It's a big unknown. So I was, and that's why I made the price 1500. So yeah, I think if you put the sign inside somehow, if you took one of the windows and that was the sign, then the signs going to be very inexpensive because you can print it on anybody's printer. You mean the sign for the artist or for the. For the artist. That's the one we have to change. So what I heard, let's see if I got it right. You said we should have a permanent sign and a changing sign for the artist. Right. Okay, the permanent signs one thing, but if the artist sign were interior in one of the windows, that would mean it would be very cheap. Except that we did put the call out for five pieces of art, not four. And if we started taking more artists, they'd probably forgive us. I mean we haven't awarded anything yet so I don't say there's any contractual issue or anything. So, if we did that, then we could maybe afford to have more artists up for less time, if people want like that idea, but that gives more visibility to more artists which is what I like about it. So you could actually have it up for three months at a time you could do four artists in a year instead of one. And I think people are going to get the other thing that I would suggest is that people might well get tired of the art. I've been there for a while because everybody want to look at it will have looked at it so it might get more, more play if they were up for a shorter period of time. Anybody else want to chat about that. Robert. Well, you know, I wonder about how much for traffic and how many people actually do see the art at that portal gallery. Because it's, it's not all that conspicuous. I agree with Jim I think if we can find a way to present all of these and I mean one thing that I think about a lot is you know, lots of places are using bacon storefronts as pop up galleries and things. Unfortunately, Amherst has a few bacon storefronts, and, you know, either we talk, you know, I think this is something potentially to above Gabriel Goulden and I would think that the business improvement district would be interested in using a new space in some constructive way and certainly offering some space for artists and potentially, you know, stirring up some foot traffic and some interest downtown could be beneficial so you know whether it's dividing up a space into sort of little micro spaces for the artists and, you know, four or five of them are shown at one time or there's a little rotating exhibition I think, you know, obviously still one person would be displayed up at portal gallery. But I think potentially expanding the presentation I mean I, I certainly am sensitive to your point about the budget so we have to think about how we would get additional funding. But I think, you know, one thing we talked about I remember several months ago, obviously, trying to create partnerships with other organizations in town and I think the idea would be a logical choice. Obviously they're now involved in the make it public work but I don't know, you know, I think as as interesting as the portal gallery is I just, I wonder about how many people actually will see art there. Right. Well if we were to do what either I or Bob suggested, we might be able to raise funds privately I know where we could get some. Right dare you want to say something. You muted. Can we go back on looking at each other. Oh, sure. You actually have that ability on your computer, you should have two windows so I can see you and I can see my stuff but I can stop sharing. Okay, go ahead. When I, when I looked at the proposals and samples. I thought really hard about how they might look inside those portals and what could actually be seen right to good effect because if I've looked at in those through the years and as I said before, they're really hard to see. Right. And they are. So anyway, so what I finally, I kind of put them in categories of abstract and more figurative stuff so that the Lauren Hazel one and the Dominique peachy one are more abstract. So I think the, the of those two, the mirror, mirrored one would have a better chance of reflecting light and having it some motion that would be attractive and draw your eye to stick to looking at it. Well, I like the idea of, say, the Benjamin Kleinman Eddie one for just a real local local Dickinson thing. I don't really think you're going to appreciate that inside those little spaces. Right. Not in the best way. You had to think about the location of the art so that's a good. So, and then, but I thought that Michelle, the vision was really playful really amusing had had a chance of being fun for kids. And was one of the more amusing ones in the whole thing, the most long one does all your tropes. I think it's kind of untempered, unrealized so far. Right. Somebody you could say we'd love to see samples, once you've completed it. Right. I think it's something like that because while I like the, the idea it's more theory than it is like execution. Right. But, but I still like the ideas and stuff and she's got a lot of experience so she should be able, if she wants to finish it she should be able to do it. Right. I looked at all the stuff on her website too. And anyway, you see like the. I like the mirror thing I thought it had a good chance and I like the animals of the Michelle one. Right. Just in terms of thinking what could kind of make it in that space. Right. It's dark, even if you light it it's dark in there and a glass on the front reflects are also in a way you know I don't. I mean the concept of the gallery, maybe had a nice idea of decorating the elevator shaft or whatever, but it's a really hard space, they really should have made the windows bigger. Well, but that's why the abstract thing kind of works and those animals are just one thing. Right. It's not a whole it's not like real intricate it like you're not going to appreciate a 3D paperwork collage thing by looking at it in there. In that amount of space it's just be what really hard, right. Add to your point most people going through there in a hurry to get to their cars. Well, that may be true to definitely you know, but it's you know it's more it's it's a kind of secret spot. Right. People don't think about it really. Well, having an opening for that would be would be a good ideas that you could draw some attention. Well, and kind of tailored a little bit to whatever is going to be in the portals. Right. Oh yeah, yeah good point. So, you know, it starts. Idea about activating some more spaces around town. And honestly, we did that in Arlington and obviously everywhere has empty storefronts. And so we invited artists to create murals inside you know the windows and paintings and we invited school children to put their art up on windows and it made an ugly closed down storefront feel a little bit more part of the community and I really loved that and I was wondering why we aren't doing that here in Amherst. And I think the answer might be because we haven't done it. And it's kind of up to us. To Robert Roberts. Thank you so much for coming up with that idea because I've been kind of thinking about it and like why aren't we doing that and the reason is we know we haven't done it. The other thing is if we did it we get though, when we put our own sign up to prominently we get our name around more maybe could help us get a bigger budget. And that's, that's the, that's the dream as an engine. So, I think this brings a really cool brings up a really cool idea to bring up maybe with Gabrielle and, and maybe also with Paul with Paul balkam and it maybe talk to them about, you know, some, some different unique ways of bringing more art to downtown Amherst you know I think that's something that we should it should be it's part of our mission, something that we should be doing anyways, so. So, Robert do you want to work with me on this it's cool idea. I know you've got two weeks you're not going to be here. Yeah, but yeah I'd be happy to because I think also you know I would think Chamber of Commerce, you know anyone is really interested in trying to do things in downtown, which there are a number of groups who are obviously trying to do things. Yep, and we might even to Jim's point be able to get some funding from those groups so you know, I actually had emailed Gabrielle about it again several months ago, but did not get Yeah, she is also on vacation right now I believe everyone is like, this was quite a while. I think maybe help me pen an email, and we'll put a couple people on it, put Paul on it, put Gabrielle on it put the Chamber of Commerce folks on I don't I don't know names yet. There's no economic council here in town is there a. I don't know yet so. I'm not sure about that. Okay. Probably is but anyway, yeah, draw some more. If you can raise more money I know where I can get a low force. I didn't understand what you said Jim. If you know where you get more money I know where you can get say very low for figure. Okay. Well, so, so right now. Our mission is to choose an artist for this particular project so let's let's refocus on that for a minute and I want to come back to the idea that Robert brought up and work on that. But for right now. Looking at all of the all seven of these proposals, which one. So for me, I have to say. I think Dominique's does stand out for me. I think it's, I think it's a unique. I think the abstract art, especially lit up would be a really cool, cool thing to have there. It's different. I don't know. I like it a lot. So as Dara said, I really liked Michelle's very playful fun for kids art. I don't think it would do as well in the space but I like it. I like it as well. So Mikey, do you want to say something. I agree with you because I saw it lit up, and it was absolutely sorry. It's raining. But it was beautiful and the light behind it, I think it would do the best in the space. And I think that's what our focus needs to be about. I don't know if you can tell them all, you know, all of them are really great. But thinking of the space and what's going to show up and what's going to people will look at or not be able to look at I think that one would be able to look at but the only thing we have to figure out is timing button maybe a little button on the outside that can go into the inside and light them up. You can put timers on it. I mean, we can just buy some cheap timers at Walmart and just, you know, put them on a. Yeah, when I saw it, it was, it was wonderful. Yeah, so are we talking about right now. This is Dominique. When you when it when we showed it, it was flat with its edge on with colors, enamel colors. So when you put the light behind it, it is so interesting. Yeah, yeah. Again, here is the, the art, not without without being lit from behind. And also said that it was really, really cool. So, so, um, yeah. I'm just sort of confused because in the in the shared folder. They're different. There are different samples of the work. Not for her work. If I'm looking at the right. The middle one that's got a glare on it. Because the light. This is Dominique. Yeah, yeah, she only one. Yeah, there's only one. This is a picture actually that Angela sent me. It is one but it's got glare on it from the from the artificial lighting now because of the artwork you just have to ignore that. No, but I guess if you look at if you look at her proposal in the shared folder. Yep. There are four pages. Let me go through this. I apologize, Robert. No, that's okay. So I think these were sketches of the other work she was. Sketch, I'm assuming a sketch of another one she was going to make and this is an example of other of her, what she does. Okay, I was, I was just a little confused. Okay. I think that one's back lit, I think, or she's trying to go to the one with her. So no, this one's right. Yeah. So I think what she's doing is taking a picture of it with her phone as it's back lit. And that's, it's a really cool drawing that comes through with the light behind. I was, I was lost in the conceptual. Right. She's trying to take a picture of the way it looks and what it did is put a picture of her on double and not able to see a lot of the picture behind but you see it on the one side and sort of behind her. I just want to make sure I was looking at the right. Yeah. And this one I was assuming is a sketch of another thing another one that she would make. Right. That's how I saw that. Yeah. So neat stuff. Anybody else want to talk about another of the artists I kind of spoke about the one that I think I like the best, but they're all so good. I just think we should really think about the space and what ones would be what would work best in the space they're all quite good. I mean, any number of them. I think I'll go back to Lawrence. Let's go back to that one. So it was hers backlit too, because that's it talks about changing color versus by or yeah, right. But my question is, are you looking in and is it doesn't have, is it going to be backlit, or is she expecting it to be from the light of the sky, or proposal. Um, Rick light amplifies the play of light. She doesn't say. Right. So that's my only concern. I think they're really interesting. But I think that because you're looking in when you're looking in, there's no the light from behind you would not be helpful to them. So that's my concern. I think also, um, if you're walking by and you're not aware that the artist there, I think something that catches your eyes or something that has some movement. And obviously, if there's reflection, um, and you catch the reflection, that's some movement. Right. That's actually sort of why, um, I liked Melissa McClung's proposal to the animation. Right. And full disclosure, I used when I was at PVPA, she was a teacher there. And I, I like her very much. And I think she's very talented. So but I do think that some, you know, motion or movement, something that is something to catch the eye. I mean, having said that, I do like all of them. But as, you know, to the point about what fits best in the space, right? I would say, you know, those two, for that reason, those two being which ones? Well, this one, Dominique's and then I, even though it wasn't, it's not fully realized yet. Melissa McClung's animation proposal. Okay. All right. Derek, did you have any other? You already give us your opinions on Benny's and Michelle's and Dominique's. Who's there? Do you have a opinion on? Oh, hold on. I'm wrong here. Michelle. Okay, I'm Michelle. So anybody want to talk about Michelle's multimedia approach here? Kind of fun. I think this won't work well in the space to be quite honest. Correct. I do love this idea for activating a storefront, you know. Right. I think it would be great in a storefront, but I'm just worried about when people walk by not understanding it and not really looking in. Right. And if it's, you know, there's no light source. There's no light sources that meet and die. Yeah, okay. So it'd be dark. And you know, you wanted it to be seen. Right. Okay. All right. So it sounds to me that we have we like Dominique's and we like Michelle's because it's very playful and we like Melissa's because of the potential that Melissa has in hers. I wasn't real wild with her proposal, but I don't know her and you do. So I know well, I know her parents and I knew her grandparents very well. So if you can pull that off, it'll be really cool. All right. Okay, so I don't know if we need to vote about this yet. I think we can we can wait a little bit longer and maybe get Lori's perspective. But I'm not sure how we how we would do it would be would we vote for the one we like the best or we do good. Like first choice, second choice, third choice, then see who wins. I don't know. I think you're very close to having a consensus. Yeah, it does seem like that. Okay. So all right. How many people would choose Dominique as the as the artist for this project? Okay, so 123 and I would put mine in as well. So four of us. All right. And how many of you would vote for Melissa McClung's vision? This one? Okay. And Michelle's Michelle playful space animals loved it. I don't work in this in this, but I love it anyways. And then Benny Kleinman, which I'm going to bring up again, because I have forgotten what it looks like already. Sorry. They're really great drawings and the poetry. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's wonderful. But I think that it's not to be in a store front. Yeah, Robert. And I hear you both saying yeah, the same thing here. I think these are really lovely. And like looking through it. And actually, you know, if we do like a Thursday night thing, it would be wonderful at Emily Dickinson Museum. Right. To represent his work. Yeah, it would. Yep. All right. So it looks like we have, I think Dominique is probably is the clear winner here. Okay, so Dominique is the selection. I will talk to Lori first, but I don't want to get there. I'm not going to put the minutes on this video. In the minutes, you could probably put that the majority, you know, four of us who are present decided that we liked Dominique's proposal the best. We'll see what Lori says. I'll send her. I'll see. Maybe we might need to make another meeting. It's mid July. I'm gone for a month. That's what you're gone. Robert's gonna be gone. We may actually need to skip. Well, August, we might have to admit August. Would that be okay with everybody? I'm not back till after the 24th. Okay. It might. I'll do it. But I'm assuming that August is gonna be tricky for everybody and that's that's fine. We're allowed to have a month where it's tricky. I think what I'll need to do is see who can get together so we can keep things moving along because I've got to keep making a public going and get going on this as well. But I think we have a clear winner here. Okay, I have a footnote. But strongly opposed to an expensive sign for the Amherst Art Commission in that location. If I could find out what the last one cost, I would have an idea of what to spend. But I don't know where to find that record. The last one. Maybe Shoshana. When was the last one? I'm assuming last summer, right? I guess the secretary might look in the minutes and see if there's anything. But Shoshana might know too. I have all her records here. I may have to go through them and find something about this. I thought it might be in the treasure records from last year, but I don't I don't know if that's if that's in there. I don't know that the sign. I don't remember the sign cost being brought up. So I don't think it's in the minutes because it would have to be in my mind to get in the minutes and I don't think it was in my mind. But I'll check. So but I just think you can do a good job of making a sign without spending a lot of money on it that and I'd rather say the money go to the artists. Well, I need to kind of have a little orientation with DPW to see what they do and how they do it and what their prices are like because I really I have not gotten that far yet. Yeah, I understand. I just think the occasion to express that sentiment. Okay. Yeah, I hear you. I I'm putting a note. I'm putting a footnote here, Jim. Footnote. Do any do any people who perhaps a little tech savvy than I am know, you know, a lot of performing arts organizations are now just going to use as opposed to printing out programs like in the old days, you know, they have a QR code and it takes you to an online program. I'm wondering if signage like that, of course, it assumes everyone has an iPhone or something these days, which unfortunately, I think most people do because one get it in the historical society this summer and the exception. Yeah, we're doing it all over Arlington as well. It's you know, sometimes we'll have signs, signs made at the sign shop or just a something that isn't a very expensive sign and then we just put QR codes on everything and it's gotten really good. We've got a good response from it. That might be a way to have signage but not spend a lot of money on it. Yeah, the other thing is you can word the thing so that it doesn't have to change with each exhibit. Right. That would be my preference. Right. Then you spend the money once. Yeah. And that's what I want to do. I want to get a sign from DPW or wherever that says what this gallery is. I'd love to paint something on the actual building so that it look it draws more attention instead of just being windows. I think we should paint, you know, like it's a frame around each window so people know to look at it like a mural design on the building and like if we could do that that'd be great. Well, we can maybe get students to do that like they do in the high school. I would love that. Oh, oh. Love it. What a good idea. And as far as a sign, I mean, honestly, you could just get a plastic sign holder bolted onto the building and we could replace the piece of paper inside, you know, putting out a color page on your color printer. It doesn't have to be a really expensive sign. I left space in that budget for I just wasn't sure what to do. That's why I made the prize lower than I would have liked. And that's also kind of hoping that we're going to be getting some funds in which, you know, we have to start working on that plan. So even though I only put 1500 in the in the in the call, we still have seven entries who are happy with getting $1500 which is which is nice. Obviously, I would love to give artists more money and also give more artists, you know, more exposure as well. I want all of that. Okay, so for the minutes, we'll just put Dominique as the probable artist and I'll talk to Lori to and get back to you James. Is that okay? Me? Yep. I'm Jim. I'm sorry. I'm seeing James on your on your picture there. Oh, is that what it is? Yes. I'm not Bond. Should have the correct name on there. I don't know where they came from. I've been I'll fix that. I will take care of that because you are innocent party. All right. So that was nice to productive talk. Thank you so much. I have a question. So you know about the ARPA funds that the town is getting like 11.4 million. One of the recommendations is to get a somebody more involved with the arts or get a funding person that's part of the town council. So I know a bunch of other organizations are interested in making possibly getting promoting that or making a motion towards it. Somebody works. Hold on. I was in a meeting last night about this. Okay. I'm going to look up ARPA fund because I did hear about it but I don't know much about it. Engage Amherst is something about this. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. There's a whole it's these are funds that came from COVID I think. Yeah. The first recovery the rescue plan act. Yeah. Right. Right. The first set already went through and now Lynn Gressner who was in my district sent something today. Hold on. Okay. I am seeing that public input is being it is invited for residents. Right. That said the round two new projects. Okay. Oh July 17th. Okay. Right. They said comments should be sent to Paul Brockman Town Council. Right. Council comments. Proposals for ways to spend I'm sorry it's not 11 million. It's 4.8 million remaining ARPA funds. Right. So I've got it up here on the screen Mikey. Oh good. It looks like by Wednesday oh well Wednesday July 12th. Well that's us. That's now. You'd better get on it. Yeah you got five hours. So we should say hey we would like to receive the funds is that your well no no no no it's not that but but other organizations art organizations historical societies historic commissions all feel that there should be some overriding person in place in the town to oversee all of us. Okay. That that would be important and if somebody I don't I don't know what the write-up could would be or anything I'm not the right a writer in this sort of thing but I just want to let everybody know that somebody from the historical society is going to try to write something up and get it in just as a recommendation. But it's to have a representative who oversees the the funds to go to art related organizations. Well yeah are related and historical and stuff like that but because there's nobody in the town council or in the town hall that oversees all of this and what's going on and what can we tap into and for all of us for all the different arts and commissions around that in the town that we have. There is not a person who does that that's interesting. Dara did you have something? We're all individual. Okay. I just have a question about it. So does does anybody have access to who got the other almost eight million? I don't have any. There's information about it. It went it went to help residents as far as I remember. And businesses I know it helped the drag. Help residents and businesses and there was some controversy about which businesses got the money and right who needed the money and right allegations that that's businesses of color were not represented equally. So there's there's been some conversation about it in town. So up that 12 million I guess 4.8 million is left and how are we going to spend that? And Mike you make you make a really good point that if we don't have a representative in there who's kind of advocating for the arts and able to help you know figure out how to spread that money around that that would be definitely a good hire for the town of Amherst. Right right. I will tell you one thing for sure and that's obvious if we had a budget with more money we would have far more impact. Oh yeah there's no doubt. Right but that's true. It's a lot of a lot of the different arts areas in the town. But you know we don't know who to contact for there just there needs to be a person to contact for those types of answers and we just go and search and that's not a good thing and being part of the historical society we do too on that front. So it's just like it needs to be more inclusive to besides running the town being able to have a person or a committee that you would go after. Okay but I don't know what the person would be called or what I don't know but that's one of the big things we spoke at last night's meeting. Okay all right that's a good point thank you for for letting us know about that Mikey. Sure so it's the town council asking for people to comment up until tonight. I think it's up to tonight. I know Lynn hold on one second. It comes on July 17th so I think they want to get comments in before that that they have they're ready for that meeting as well. Funds are allocated by December 31st. There are all sorts of new projects that they're working at solar canopy at the high school just these are things that people are recommending for them to do funds for. It doesn't mean it's a done deal or anything because as Liz Larson said who did get the proposal with the Drake and has an immense amount of paperwork to do said it's it's it's not a little tiny form that you fill out and have to hand in she said it's a lot of work so the senior center kitchen community grants road and sidewalks that were those were some of the things that people were interested in using the money for. Okay well it sounds like also it would not be a bad idea to send comments about the fact that we think we need to spend more money on art because art invigorates the community right correct art is incredibly important for communities and right and we don't even have anybody in the like we don't have Maureen we don't have anybody yeah overseas or helps us in any way shape or form the fact is public art reflects our community and engages our community it promotes equity and cultural diversity beautifies and enlivens public spaces it showcases local artists there's so many reasons for giving more money to art so if you if you all would would spend a few minutes seven thirty maybe spend a few minutes and send a little message to paul is that what they wanted to go yeah um it's on here um maybe send an email to to paul the town council um and just maybe say something like that you know does anybody got any idea how art could bring in more money to the town uh tourism well from my point you know from my experience such as it is if if you if something will generate money it gets attention well activating you know storefronts as robert was saying you know if you if you're your downtown is beautified you'll have more more people going to businesses and restaurants and and milling around and giving you know giving businesses their business right i guess that's something like the mass cultural council or some of the state arts organizations would probably have data on the economic impact of um arts and cities etc yep they absolutely do the other thing to look at is how east hampton has taken it um they've really turned around their town with uh with the arts right we might want to do something for us to look at right to do a report and have it at our fingertips where we can use it to try to that i mean it's it's kind of lame we don't have any help and we don't have any money so we don't have any impact to speak of and we could maybe change that if we could get a good case going about why it would be in the financial interest of the town to make us more active right well jim this this is my plan and with strategic planning you know like we've talked about and having a sit down conversation with paul and the town council with you know budget requests and why uh you know we would have that information at our fingertips we we wouldn't just go in there with hey give us money it would be like here it's in your best interest to give us money because it really does help the town so that would be part of our budget request making presentation to the town council um arlington does it with my uh the folks that i work for for the commission for arts and culture every year they have a presentation with pictures and a report and they convince them to give them money and i think that's what we need to do the same yeah right yeah yeah i've got plans i i really want to do this and it's going to work okay so i have one other questions besides the arpa um do we have a list of who the um the jurors are for the uh making it public uh oh we do we do have a list of the possible people um just for i think of where that is now i we do have a list that we sent and she got back to us let me see if i can find it here quick um verbiage um i don't know no um i might have to get back to you on that one okay i was just wondering who the verbiage here we came up with and she came back to us with a list but i don't know where it is um i will find that for you yeah i just wondered just are there a lot of people on the list or they um there were um i want to say six to eight i think but now i'm for kind of i i'm wondering why i don't have it right here i usually all right i'm going to find the list of judges and get it back get back to you mike yeah i'm pretty sure okay why don't you send it to everybody i will yeah and uh uh she was still in the stages of getting uh getting responses back on that so and i think when she returns from her vacation we'll have a we'll have her update us on where we are because she's kind of in she's obviously she's in charge of that i'm not um which is good because i you know i can't i'm not a planner and she's got she has a vested interest in this so it's really good that she's in charge so i look forward to to finding out more about that because the judges that we um had in mind were all really really quality awesome people so i'll send it to you soon as i can put my hands on it thank you very much sure is there anything else for tonight i'm looking at my agenda and i think we've covered everything unless there is other business that we did not anticipate before the meeting so does anybody have any unanticipated business doesn't look like it okay then i am going to uh call to adjourn um can i get a second on that yeah so i can right all in favor of a journeying say i or yay i great thank you so much for your time everybody okay thank you oh wait a minute um are you going to do a poll for the next meeting yep i'll send a doodle poll out and i'm probably looking at at mid august okay because early august we're gonna you're gonna have two people we know are missing so i think i'm just going to do like august 15th to last day in august and try to fit something in there if we can okay okay thank you very much soon all right okay all right thank you so much for your time everybody have a good night you too bye bye