 We will start the evening by listening to Mama Lambert's story on the justice processes and her experiences there. Now after the break we will talk about forgiveness and we will talk about Mama Lambert's own experiences with her forgiveness process and that part she will do in English. But for this part before the break there will be translation. Now we also have two excellent speakers from academia who are sitting now in front of me but later will be joining us in the panel. For the person who committed the crime but does confess in it, normally even for you as a victim, somehow it appeases your spirit to the level that you are also able to forgive that person. She's a Christian and she believes that the person who did confess does also have a clean conscience. What is your idea of justice? When do you find this proper balance? When does it indeed unite as Mama Lambert has expressed? I honestly find it very difficult to have an overarching definition of what you call justice when it comes to criminal justice. Before I went to Rwanda the literature review that I produced was based on trying to define justice. And it's so hard for anyone that studied justice, criminal justice, any sort of justice, social justice, it's such a difficult concept to define. These are different ways of looking at justice and the first one, putting people in the proper place, is something that reminds me or connects me with the way I see justice in the work I did in the last 25 years. And that was why I was positively surprised by the presence of Mama Lambert and her message was, yeah, for me the most important point was I guess that though she forgave and though she has forgiven the ones who hurt her and killed her family, that she does not forget and that is, I think that's very important for the part of justice in this.