 Good evening everyone Alderman before we get going. There's a couple of questions I'd like to ask just by a nod of the head and be sufficient Generally, no one is allowed on the council floor once the meeting begins. This is a unique situation We do have the media here. Is there any Alderman that objects to the presence of the media on the council floor? Is there anyone? Good. Thank you. Also, we have some signs that are in the background of the gallery. Normally, we don't allow signs It doesn't bother me, but if it bothers someone and there's an objection to that I'll ask them to take them out. Is there any objection to the signs being put behind us? Would you please? Come on. He's got his attached to his thing. He's got his, oh, number one. Okay We're also We're also going to get started. I'm gonna lay some ground rules. There will be order in this meeting. I've spoken to the chief of police If there is not any order, if there's any heckling and in-calling Disruption, you will be escorted out and not be allowed to come back into the chamber at least for tonight This is a very sensitive issue And I need the cooperation of everyone that is here tonight. There will be some good discussion, good debate And then the council will make a decision and then we'll move on But it's very important that we don't create disruption and we don't heckle And we don't show any disrespect to the Alderman or anyone else And we conduct ourselves civilly and in good order. I would appreciate your cooperation Madam City Clerk would you like to read the quote of this week? Thank you mayor Whenever you do or say something act as if the entire world were watching Thank you very much Call the fifth regular meeting of the common council of order and please call the roll Bourne Berg Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Ryan Susha Vanderweel and her hassled 16 present for this present now. We need to pledge allegiance to the beautiful country. We live in all in Sarada, which please lead us I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands one nation Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you vice-president Serta For the minutes president Burke. Yes. Thank you, and I would move to dispense with the reading of the minutes I've asked that they be approved as entered on the record Motion the second under discussion There being not those in favor state I I any opposed Motion carries minutes stand approved Resignations attorney clean. Thank you your honor the letter dated May 17th to the mayor from Claudia Reinbold advising that She's no longer able to fulfill her position as a member of the Blue Harbor Convention Center oversight committee and Is resigning from the committee? You And I'd ask for a motion to accept the file moved to accept the file Second any discussion on that? All those in favor state I I Should carries And for appointments Stated today's date hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration Metropolitan law enforcement services study committee Alderman Richard Manny Alderman Silas van der wheel James Graven the account CPA David gas business leader Thomas pitch labor leader Larry Samet school district representative James Gisha citizen at large Jacob van Dixhorn County Board Supervisor slant City Glenn Marcus County Board Supervisor slant County Non-voting members are chief Kirk Sheriff Helmke Myself and Carl busy in the County Corporation Council the Voting members Terms are the aldermanic terms expire for 16.07 and the citizen members for 30.07 signed by the mayor Thank you those appointments were light over all the person Daniel Verhasel to be considered for appointment to the Law and Licensing Committee to fill The unexpired term of Alderman Dennis Bowman whose term expires for 16.07 signed by the mayor President Burt you know I asked for a suspension of the rules and that the appointment put on this passage is Is there any objection to suspend in the rules? There'll be a none polls in favor state I The employee remuneration committee alderman Richard Manny chairman alderman Eldenberg vice chairman Michael live ham corporate member James Botana an academic member Don Koch organized labor Greg Wegeman and Steve Manchin The aldermanic terms to expire for 16.07 and the citizen members for 30.07 you As for motion to confirm move to the bottom Motion in second to confirm any discussion Well those in favor state I I Motion carries and Alderman Jeff Ratke to be considered for appointment to the Blue Harbor Resort Convention Center committee to fill the unexpired term of Alderman Eldenberg whose term expires for 16.07 And all their person Gene Kittleson to be considered for appointment to the special committee on risk management to fill the unexpired term of all the Person Bonnie Serta whose term expires for 16.07 signed by the mayor move to confirm Emotions is there a second second to confirm any discussion There'd be a none all those in favor state I I Opposed motion carries Thank you attorney McLean Next item on the agenda is swearing in of all the person Dan rehearsal. Mr. Rehassel, which please step up Dan would you raise your right hand and repeat after me I Please state your name. I Dan Brasso swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States Where that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the state of Wisconsin and the Constitution of the state of Wisconsin and will faithfully and impartially And will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties discharge the duties of the office of Alder person Of the office of Alder person to the best of my ability to the best of my ability. So help me God Congratulations Congratulations Alderman rehearsal now you can vote Public forum Madam City Clerk Okay, first on the list is Michael Malmberg Michael, would you please come up to the front? Michael, can I have your home address, please? Yes, please Five one two a North 8th Street North 8th Street apartment view to okay. Sheboyin, Wisconsin Okay, thank you five three Eight one and Michael you will have five minutes great Thank you For your audience First my government teacher taught me to stand up for what I believe in And I know this situation with the police department being eliminated for the mentor politics and police force, but I feel that instead That I feel that in Instead that our rights to be safe and protection of our rights would be compromised and as a Result some people Because either have a shotgun under bed or leave sheboyin because The right to be safe is a God-given right and if we can't fulfill these fundamental rights, then how will we Build to live in peace and I learned that that This is one of ways the system is feeling us as The people of city of Sheboyin and I feel So we should leave the police force intact and that We should Consider other options Back in 95 I was in Milwaukee. I was mugged there They did not caught the guy. I hope Sheboyin does not Become like that And this is all I Have to say for everybody in Sheboyin either at the oppose or not that we should Understand that we have the basic right to be safe and the basic right to raise our families and the basic Right to have our rights protected and this is a democracy and That's all I have to say Thank You Michael next on the list would be delcy Johnson Delcy I need your home address, please 1306 North 3rd Street Sheboyin North 3rd And you will have five minutes. Thank you Mayor Perez and members of the council It is my understanding that the city will need 2.4 million dollars to keep property taxes at a zero percent increase this year Do in large part as I understand it to the south pier debt and the escalating costs of employee health care Finding 2.4 million will require a lot of innovative thinking and bold action But since your constituents are taxed to the max and since the money tree which former mayor sushi wrote about a couple of years ago Has almost completely dried up short of declaring bankruptcy your options include shared services Contracting out layoffs and saying no to all frivolous budget requests Given the fact that wages and benefits make up 85% of the operating budget your attention must first be fixed on personnel costs It is totally unacceptable that city employees pay only two and a half to five percent of their health care premiums While private employees pay 27 to 32% Indeed some private sector employees forgo family coverage because they can't afford it I know because I have worked with people like that It was interesting to read in the Sheboyin press some of the services of the city and county law enforcement department share Missing from that list of course is a joint emergency dispatch system Which I strongly believe will work if the parties involved want it to work Added to that list could also be shared purchasing of vehicles and fleet maintenance There are some things government must do some things government should do and some things that are best left to the private sector Which brings us to the matter of outsourcing or contracting out services indeed there are advantages to competition The first contract service that comes to mind of course is garbage collection Which the city could contract for not unlike sidewalk repairs which have long been outsourced There are many other opportunities for outsourcing such as data processing payroll administration debt collection services utility billing Tree trimming parking enforcement housing inspections vehicle maintenance building and grounds maintenance snow plowing park maintenance Offering savings in personnel costs as well as equipment purchases and maintenance Back in 1987 when I was on the council in a citizen survey that included questions about the privatization of city services 70% of the 324 respondents favored privatization of building maintenance snow removal bus service Ambulance garbage collection and park maintenance only 8% favored privatizing police services. I Am aware of course that the council has passed a resolution to create a committee to study contracting for police services with the county At first blush this seems like a good idea because city taxpayers pay almost 40% of the sheriff's budget But without information you cannot take a position So you need to gather the facts before you make a decision I am aware of a couple of cities in the Los Angeles area that contract with the sheriff's department for police services One is a city of 80,000. They have four full-time and 30 part-time police officers The other is a city of over 90,000 with 27 full-time and 28 part-time officers Sheboygan with a population of 50,000 has 72 officers on the TO with 67 officers Presently hired plus 16 supervisors and two deputies Sheboygan is a big union town and while unions were organized to give workers a chance for decent wages and working conditions Union demands have become excessive with raises exceeding cost of living increases Inflation and raises in the private sector and demands for benefits go far beyond what the private sector provides So we find people moving out of the city to towns and villages with lower taxes Indeed, I am concerned that 42% of city employees choose not to live in the city And yet they are a large part of the problem I must sound it to learn from our human resources department that is at the end of March 258 city city employees live in the city and a hundred and eighty five live outside the city For example, there are more police officers and supervisors living outside the city than inside the city There are almost as many firefighters living out of the city as in the city 48 DPW workers live outside the city 31 of 66 city employees The council needs to change this and there should be no grandfathering and I say to you police officers and supervisors and firefighters and DPW workers and all city employees who choose to live in the town of Sheboygan or the town of Wilson or the village of Waldo or Howard's Grove You need to get a job as a police officer or supervisor or firefighter or DPW worker or whatever your job in The town of Sheboygan or the town of Wilson or the village of Waldo or the village of Howard's Grove And stop feeding off the taxpayers of the city of Sheboygan If you want to enjoy the Cadillac wages and benefits of a job with the city you need to live in the city Thank you. Thank you. You need to live in the city and share the tax burden of your excessive demands Although I'm not a member of the Sheboygan County Taxpayers Alliance I'm in strong agreement with most of the agenda that mr. Kepler presented to you, especially of course outsourcing and Reviewing city wages salaries and benefits for all full-time and part-time employees to be in line with the private sector You have an obligation to your constituents to save tax dollars whenever and however you can by sharing services outsourcing services and acting layoffs and saying no to all unresable and unnecessary budget requests You need to take every possible action in the best interest of your constituents to hold property taxes to a zero percent increase Thank you. Thank you. Delzi Next on the list is John winter John, can you give me a home address, please? 2213 Broadway Avenue, and you will have five minutes. Thank you Ladies and gentlemen of the council and mr. Mayor I am here tonight to talk about issues that threaten public safety in Sheboygan regarding the resolution that was brought by Six older persons to form a committee to possibly contract with the sheriff department and abolishing the police department in that Resolution Wisconsin Act 40 was cited twice as a guideline for this committee to use and the resolution was passed This action stirred up stirred by the council stirred up tremendous concern among citizens in Sheboygan Since at times hundreds if not thousands of citizens had made their voices loud and clear Citizens organized informational picketing that was attended by hundreds over the past four days The mayor and all the persons have said they have received dozens even hundreds of emails phone calls and letters and the message was clear To keep the police department in Sheboygan. I say to all those citizens that got involved. Thank you That's what open government is all about The police department has sit has the same concerns as the citizens Morale on the department has reached a new low Members don't know what their future is Abolishing the police department would put over 130 employees out of work. This includes sworn officers and civilian personnel It is no wonder that members of the police department feel that some city Representatives have turned their backs on the officers that risk their safety to protect the citizens of the city The second item is that there appears to be an anti-police agenda within city government The police have been falsely suspected of taking bribes been called liars on the council floor falsely accused of having a code of silence False reports have been made against employees and misleading the public on police issues. In addition employees have received memos telling them They cannot discuss certain topics with the public It seems like anytime someone from the police department is critical of city government. Some type of false accusation is made against that person I suspect that I am next on that list on the topic of act 40 It has been around it has been around since last September at that time Mr. Bourne submitted a communications to the PP&S committee Suggesting tremendous savings by disbanding the police departments in Sheboygan County Question I have for all of all the person Shusha who chaired the committee at that time Why was this topic held for seven months before it was brought to council? Perhaps it is just an uncomfortable coincidence that this was held until the new council took office And you knew there would be more support on the new council I believe that this resolution is another attack on the police department If act 40 or anything else you want to call it is still part of the process It is clear that the intent is to abolish the police department. I have seen all the person graphs reworked resolution Words such as act 40 and contracting have been taken out and replaced with the word sharing and it still mentions joining forces and combine law enforcement Services, so the main theme of the resolution hasn't changed and is new and improved resolution Still sounds like act 40 to me It still talks about forming a Metro law enforcement committee while in the same sentence it talks about sharing services You do not need this new committee if you want to talk about sharing services Simply reinstate the original shared service committee to get that job done to have both committees as redundant The police and sheriff have been recognized as a model in sharing services in the state and we continue to look for new ways to share Further proof that the reworked resolution hasn't changed comes through a discussion all the person Manny had with an officer He stated that they are only studying to eliminate the top 5% of the police department He added that they would write a resolution and that the remaining officers would be would be able to keep their jobs on the sheriff Department and they would not be harmed economically a Couple of key points with this statement first it is obvious by his statements that act 40 is still in play Second writing a resolution to protect jobs and wages cannot be guaranteed This is a sheriff department hiring issue, and it is a contractual issue, and it is beyond the control of the council Lastly, I believe the voices of the citizens is the most important part of this issue On May 15th when the original resolution was brought to council a motion was made to suspend the rules This means that it would be voted on that night I thought was such a huge issue regarding safety Wouldn't it make sense for all other prisons to have extra time to get feedback from their constituents? But apparently not those have voted to suspend the rules put this on the fast track, and at the same time shut out the voice of the people The mayor cleared up his position by supporting to clear to keep the police department I was concerned at the length of time he took to come out and oppose the act 40 But it is more than I can say for half the council It appears they still have to have their arms twisted through public outcry to keep the police department in Sheboygan Would you like an extra minute? You got the attention of the citizens, and they are watching very carefully the message is clear The citizens want to keep the police department in the city of Sheboygan Anything else would be ridiculous. Thank you On the list is Wally ends Lee Wally, can you give me your home address, please six six three River Oaks Drive falls? And you will have five minutes. Okay, mr. Mayor council members I Don't even know where to start First of all, I'll start with the protection system that's in place in the city It's three prong fire police dispatchers That's how we operate All I can say is in my 18 years as a Sheboygan firefighter Never ever Have I seen anything wrong with the police officers? They do an outstanding job when the shop go building collapsed Firefighters and police officers one person died. Unfortunately two crippled seven hurt and the great flood in Sheboygan came police officers swimming Down Union Avenue abandoned cars didn't know if anybody was in the cars. It's part of our job Firefighters swimming trying to see if someone's in a car The men and women of the Sheboygan Professional police association put their life on the line just like the firefighters do That's our job. That's what we're paid for We might not come home tomorrow. We understand that but that's our job Act 40 the resolution you're about to vote on tonight Is offensive? It's offensive to the firefighters and it's really offensive to the police officers When I attend council meetings the past year I'm appalled at what I see What I see is first the police officers are accused of racism. It's investigated It's not valid proves to be false Then our dispatchers. Let's not forget our dispatchers the lifeline of the police and firefighters without them We can't do our job. They're accused of being discourteous to an elected official. It's investigated. No merit What's next? Okay, what's next on the shoot? What's next on the shoot? Okay, police officers accused of lying to an elected official about a street closing Okay, it's got to be done. How much can they take? Okay, it's got to be done. Nope act 40. Let's abolish them. Let's abolish them. Then they're done. I Words can't express how I feel We're paid to protect the citizens of the city. That's what we do But act 40 no matter how you sugarcoat it is simply Sugarcoating it's about it's not about joint services. It's about abolishing The police department and contracting with the county sheriff for law enforcement. That's what it is That's what senator libe am who co-authored the bill said That's what it's about. I'm sugarcoated. That's what it's about That's what it's about. I can't I don't know how many of you Have a priority of public protection and safety. I know the firefighters do and the police officers do Number one priority. I asked John run through president went through the police department number one priority is life Safety public protection and safety. It's our number one goal. I Can't say I don't know how many council members tonight think that I do I do know two council members that I don't think have that high of a opinion on it simply for the reasons of a couple comments that were made in the past couple weeks one older person was asked What do you think is a priority in the city of Sheboygan answer? Well, number one is water utility Number two is the wastewater plant number three is garbage collection. Oh, oh, yeah, and number four and five You know fire and police Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? And yet another alderman was asked. What do you think some most dangerous job in the city of Sheboygan? Well garbage collector Garbage collector I'm watching these council meetings and I'm going home at night and I'm thinking did I watch the council meeting? Or was was I watching an episode of the Twilight Zone? Please please Resend resolution 40 act 40 the resolution. It's not about shared services. Everybody's sitting in the audience knows it Even the taxpayer alliance knows it So I'm proud of the Sheboygan professional police association and proud to work with them as our union is We're a team We're a team We're a team and I'm proud to stand up here and say we're a team and we'll always be a team We'll keep doing our job what we're paid to do Resend act 40 This is this is ridiculous. This is totally ridiculous. Well your time's up. Do you want an extra minute? Yeah? I'll take another minute. Just give me another minute I'm thinking of something That's why I never write anything down So let's go away tonight. I know there's new alderman Being seated tonight. He's probably got a lot of phone calls I know people have been calling emailing and they should This is a serious serious issue And I can't think of anything more serious and public protection and safety You can't turn the water faucet on you can't flush the toilet and you can't take your garbage out if you're hurt So I appreciate it. I Appreciate your support of rescinding it and also do a roll call vote So the citizens of this community know where you stand on Private that on a priority basis take a roll call vote. Thanks The last person would be John Burner John can I have your home address, please? 1919 Broadway and you will have five minutes. There's no way I'm gonna top that one. No way No, you talk about Joining the county and the police department It's almost like saying we got four branches of the service. Let's make them all one but all four branches has as specified Things they do They join together they share Together, but each branch has their special To sit there and say that Please department and The colony are alike. They're not you people in this council had a chance to ride along with the police You could have asked to ride along with the county and learn a little bit about it There aren't very many that did it, but now you want to make a decision on it. You know it all What did you do look it up on the internet? I don't think so This is a very important decision not only for me my children my grandchildren This whole community you don't see the village of Kohler going to the county. You don't see Plinus Elkhart Lake We're bigger than them and you want to take our police department and move it over It's not going to be the same. I mean you've got people believing that it's not going to cost the city taxpayers one penny Because it's going to be absorbed by everybody in the county is going to pay for our police detect protection to the county. I Don't know which one of you is giving out that information But it's a little false. It's still going to cost the city But we won't have any say so in our protection Marine Corazza saying it's called Semper fi all is faithful. That's what you people are supposed to be to your constituents Not to one person sitting in front of you. Thank you Thank you very much and thank you to all the citizens who addressed the council tonight Next item we will postpone for the next meeting so we can get into the bulk of our work tonight Paul McGraw Thank you, your honor I'd like to pull some documents forward if I may before we start with the consent agenda, please do There are three documents 539 540 and 541 all three are resolutions awarding the sale of general obligation or taxable general obligation bonds and Providing a form for the bonds and loving a tax in connections. They're there with their three different Three different items and I'll read each one the first one is a resolution awarding the sale of $5,155,000 a general obligation refunding bond series 2006 see providing the form of the bonds and loving a tax in connection with them The next one is a resolution awarding the sale of eight million five hundred and seventy five thousand taxable general obligation refunding bonds series 2006 D Providing the form of the bonds and loving a tax in connection there with and the final one is a resolution awarding the sale of seven million one hundred and fifty thousand dollars taxable general obligation refunding bonds series 2006 E providing the form of the bonds and loving a tax in connection with these Um, I would move that all three of the resolutions be put upon their passage Excuse me Alderman graph we would need to have three separate votes on those if you would please because they're three separate sales Okay, please then taking 539. Thank you. I would move that that resolution be put upon its passage. Thank you Motion to second under discussion In the case there are any questions Carol worth from our financial firm is is here to answer any questions or to give anybody an overview in case they'd like it Unless I'd like to wait till Otherwise the finance committee did meet and approve this evening. Yes all three of them correct and uh Is there let us put this one through a vote Okay, there was a motion in the second. Yes Please call the roll Boren Thank you your honor. I simply wanted to say Carol worth can explain this very well So if anyone does have questions she can make it understandable for you. Thank you Okay, please call the roll Boren Berg Serta Davis graph Hannah Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel and Verhasteld Sixteen eyes motion carries hold my graph Thank you then document 540 which is the resolution awarding the sale of 8 million five hundred and seventy five thousand dollar taxable general obligation refunding bonds series 2006 D Providing the form of the bonds and loving attacks and connection Therewith I would move that that resolution be put upon its passage Motion in the second put 540 upon its passage under discussion Please call the roll Berg Serta Davis graph Hi Hannah Kittleson Clayunas Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Ryan Susha Vanderwheel Verhasteld and Boren Sixteen eyes Motion carries hold my graph Thank you your honor. I would move that The final resolution is 541 a resolution awarding the sale of 7 million 150 thousand dollars taxable general obligation refunding bonds series 2006 E Providing the form of the bonds and loving attacks and connection therewith I would move that that resolution be put upon its passage Motion in the second to put 541 upon its passage under discussion There being none, please call the roll Serta Davis graph Hi Hannah Kittleson Clayunas Manny Hi Meyer Montemayor Hi Radke Hi Ryan Hi Susha Hi Vanderwheel Hi V- excuse me, Verhasteld Hi Boren Hi and Berg Hi Sixteen eyes Motion carries Alderman We need to sign these out Oh yes, please please allow us a few minutes to sign these documents Carol needs to run off Okay, thank you Thank you for bearing us bearing with us here Alderman Davis Thank you, Honorable Mayor I'd like to make a motion to spend the rules to bring forward document 542 for immediate action Is there any agreement? Any objection to suspension? Okay Pull it forward Like to make a motion to put it upon its passage Is there a second to that motion? Who made the motion? I'm sorry Alderman Davis Alderman Serta Second Got a motion and second to put 542 by Alderman Ryan Repealing resolution number 210607 adopted May 15, 2006 Which authorized the formation of a Metropolitan Law Enforcement Services Study Committee Resolution has been made to put it upon this passage Under discussion Alderman Ryan I move that the resolution be put upon its passage It's already been done It's her discussion It's already been done Thank you, thank you, Honorable Mayor Both the Sheboygan Police Department and the Sheboygan County Sheriff's Department are exemplary Law enforcement providers for our county Police Chief Dave Kirk and County Sheriff Mike Helmke are true professionals Possessing a high degree of dedication and integrity in serving the citizens of Sheboygan The officers who serve under these two fine leaders are equally dedicated To serving our community with honor, with fairness, and with pride The issue at hand this evening is not about one department being better than the other Sheboygan Police Department has garnered numerous awards in recent years For example, in 2005, the department's communications electronics technician was named Citizen of the Year 2005, the Neighbors Against Drugs program is a finalist for the International Award of the Herman Goldstein Award for Excellent in Problem-Oriented Policing 2004, Sir Robert Peele Award from the Wisconsin Association of Community Oriented Police 2004, second place in the International Police Vehicle Design Competition 2004, four offices were awarded the Wisconsin Professional Association Meritorious Award 2004, the MEG unit, a shared service with the Sheboygan Police Department and the Sheboygan County Sheriff's Department, received the Outstanding Achievement Award for Drug Units The MEG unit received the CESA Award for the most indoor marijuana growing lab seized in 2003 2003, the Wisconsin Professional Police Association Award for Valor was awarded to one of our Sheboygan Police Officers Sheboygan Police Department should be commended for these achievements However, we, the Common Council of the City of Sheboygan, to show our appreciation for the Police Department's exemplary service to our community have chosen to reward them by forming a Metropolitan Law Enforcement Services Study Committee Resolution 290607 states, and I quote, Wisconsin Act 40 provides for the County Sheriff's Department to provide law enforcement services to municipalities What the authors of this resolution failed to mention is that Wisconsin Act 40 is an act authorizing, and I quote from Wisconsin Act 40 a city or village to abolish its police department in contract for law enforcement services with the county to abolish its police department somehow these words were conveniently omitted from that resolution and oversight of this magnitude is not a typographical error it is intentionally misleading to this council Abolish in order to avoid any misunderstanding of its meaning I looked it up in the Encarta dictionary abolish is a transitive verb it means to outlaw something to put an end to to outlaw our police department it's rather ironic Resolution 290607 was presented to this council as a response to the much maligned citizen's budget survey is an opportunity for quote for the city to share services and costs by merging the police and sheriff's departments services cannot be shared when one of the parties no longer exists departments cannot be merged when one has been eliminated outlawed abolished resolution 290607 failed to inform the council that the true purpose of the metropolitan law enforcement services study committee is to investigate the feasibility of eliminating the Sheboygan police department it failed to tell us that the honorable officers and dedicated civilian workers of the Sheboygan police department would be rewarded for their commendable service to our city through the elimination of their livelihoods it failed to take into account the impact on the morale of this award-winning law enforcement department it failed to consider the stress inflicted upon these officers and their families not knowing if the bills would be paid a few months down the road the only means we have as the common council to attempt to make amends for this injustice is to vote to repeal to rescind resolution 290607 those older persons who are opposed to rescinding this resolution may stand up tonight and tell us that a another resolution will be presented later this evening to amend it they may tell us that this amended resolution will be for exploring shared services that it will relieve the tax burden on the taxpayer that the intent of resolution 290607 was never to explore if the Sheboygan police department should be eliminated the upcoming attempt to amend this misguided resolution is not an acceptable solution removing the words Wisconsin Act 40 from it and replacing the word contracting with sharing does not change the true intent of this ill-intentioned resolution it is the same horse of a different color the Sheboygan police department is an indispensable asset to the citizens of Sheboygan and should be respected as such it is not a tax liability it is an investment in a secure future for our city for our children resolution 290607 utilized 2005 wisconsin act 40 forming the metropolitan law enforcement services study committee to investigate if it is feasible to abolish to outlaw the Sheboygan police department this resolution was presented to the common council in a deliberately misleading manner I urge every each and every elder person here tonight to vote your conscience to respect the opinion of your constituents to do what is in the best interest for the citizens of the city of Sheboygan resolution 290607 does not deserve to be amended it must be rescinded thank you thank you old man ryan old man want to my own thank you your honor a big rally in the years that I've been a part of this community here on this floor we've had three rallies one was to support the mall memorial one was to save a park and now tonight keep the police department as a separate entity it's a lot easier being on that side than this side I must tell you um and the rallyers are passionate and they truly mean what they say of course they mean what they say but we have to pay attention to their feelings their that their opinions are as valid as ours simply because their opinion and some of our opinions are different does not mean we're right they're wrong they're right we're wrong all of these opinions are valid and I think we should move forward from that we must pay attention now everybody does care about Sheboygan the police department does all of us council members do Madison made this um enacted this thing in good faith and we as alderman thought we should look at that perhaps we would have found out it was not a good idea but they were looking at it in good faith the mayor is working for Sheboygan we all are working for Sheboygan nobody is trying to hurt Sheboygan no one extra charge we as alderman do we must pay attention to the money so that we can meet the paycheck of all of the people who provide services to us at our public protection and safety meeting chief Kirk brought up the information that perhaps it's time to look at dispatch sharing again in the past it didn't seem to be very valid he feels perhaps we should look at it again and I read in the newspaper I think it was a newspaper that chief Kirk and our mayor perhaps would join together to figure out some ways to approach the county to work on some shared services perhaps dispatch perhaps vehicle maintenance perhaps things that I can't even think of and whether alderman boran's resolution which was in good faith and not tricky or alderman groff's resolution which is in good faith and not tricky or the mayor and the police chief together which is not tricky they were all valid we're all sincere we're all working together whether we go ahead and rescind and start from scratch or amend with alderman groff's resolution we need to go forward and see if there are some way we can gather some more money so that we can keep all of our personnel in all areas of the city paid so we can at least keep services as they are thank you all of them want to my alderman kinsen thank you thank you mr. mayor I would just like to make a motion to offer the public if there are any other people who would like to make a few more comments on this on this issue we're we're in the middle of debate otherwise I'd like to make it to maybe one person can I do that but we're in the middle of a debate now council debate that's not permissible pardon me that's when you're supposed to do it correct let's let's finish the council debate and then if necessary if need be we keep you thank you though alderman van der wheel thank you your honor public protection and safety is a priority for the people they've made that clear to me out of the hundreds of people that have contacted me in the last few weeks five people have been against rescinding this document we heard tonight through a public forum that the bigger picture is all sitting employees and we need to be careful we need to handle cost cutting investigation very carefully if our employees feel that their jobs are at stake it can affect our community negatively for the next 10 years just by forming an investigative committee it could cause employees to lose their drive and fail to care about their jobs if we're not careful with measures that we take to cut costs we could unintentionally cause the citizens to lose their pride in shabuigan once we take away the pride that we all have for the city there will be no reason to call shabuigan home thank you thank you alderman van der wheel alderman grau thank you your honor i was going to ask for a privilege of the floor for a constituent that had called and um but if we have to wait i'll wait till later i'd prefer that we wait let's let the alderman speak thank you alderman grau alderman susha thank you your honor um actually before i get into my prepared remarks i just wanted to make a few comments i guess i wasn't as fortunate as alderman van der wheelie i did not receive hundreds of phone calls relating to this issue but what i did do is i i looked up the address of everybody who sent me an email and everybody who sent me a phone message or left uh or i spoke to on the phone and there were only two people that i could not identify where they were from and it was pretty similar it reflected pretty much what we heard earlier tonight in regards to half of the employees that live basically in the city and half the employees out and that's exactly what i found with the correspondences i received half of the correspondences came from people who are not paying property taxes not living in the city and i would bet that if you had everybody here that is not uh from the city uh living in the city uh boundaries if you had them leave the city hall uh there'd be plenty of seating for the actual citizens that are here this evening so i just want to put it in perspective that not everybody that is in attendance actually are tax paying citizens my objective as an alderman is to maintain or improve the current level of services at a lower cost to the taxpayers under the current system city property owners pay 100 for the shabuigan police department and about 40 for the shabuigan county sheriff's department if we maintain the status quo and do everything in 2007 as we did in 2006 we are about two million dollars short in the city budget in order to balance the 2007 budget we will probably have to lay people off to prevent this from happening we need to start doing things different excuse me differently we need to gather the facts lay them on the table and make well informed decisions when you are facing a two million dollar shortfall you can't make emotional decisions a wise man told me when i started sharing the public protection and safety committee last year that i would be faced with some difficult issues he advised me to take the emotions out of the decision and look at the facts this good advice came from our police chief kirk and i want to thank him for sharing his wisdom with me i would like the alderman to take this advice once you take the emotion out of this resolution you will see that we are only trying to obtain information why should we be forbidden from analyzing the data when you look at the city's table of organization you will see that the alderman and the mayor at the top what's missing from the table of organization is that there are 50 000 citizens above us that we report to we know that the demographics in our community are changing as the baby boomers continue to retire in a few years we will have more people pulling from the social security system than paying into it as we have more citizens facing the rising cost of gasoline for their car the increase in the price of natural gas to heat their homes the rising cost for prescription drugs the last thing i want to do is hit them with a two million dollar increase in the city budget just to maintain the status quo over the next few months the salary and grievance committee will be looking at various areas on the city's table of organization that might be conducive to privatization if it can be proven that the current level of service can be maintained or improved at a lower cost i will support these measures of privatization i'm not sure whether the mayor and my fellow alderman will do what they will do if uninformed disgruntled employees decide to protest i would like to ask the alderman not to support rescinding the resolution that was passed which formed a law enforcement study group this group consists of professionals in the community who are willing to look at act 40 act 40 does not just abolish a police department this is an inaccurate and misleading statement shabuigan will always have law enforcement coverage the sentence in act 40 that is being misrepresented states a city may abolish its police department if it enters into a contract with the county for the county sheriff to provide law enforcement services in all parts of the city there are not any provisions in this law that would prevent a city with 50 000 people from looking into this issue the assumption is that we would have terrible law enforcement services if we contract with the sheriff the shabuigan county sheriff's department along with the shabuigan police department helped make shabuigan metropolitan area the fifth safest area in the united states of america this is huge fifth safest in the united states of america under act 40 the overwhelming majority of these respected shabuigan police officers would be absorbed into the county law enforcement union and their pensions would stay intact at this point in time i have more questions about act 40 than i have answers for what if we would have officers what if we would have more officers on the street by contracting with the county for less money how much would we save by contracting county employees who pay 10 towards their health insurance plus a deductible compared to our current system where employees only contribute 2.5 to their health insurance and they don't have any deductible in their health insurance plan how much would we save if there were one maintenance facility for law enforcement vehicles compared to two what would happen if there were one dispatch center would there be fewer middle management positions my questions could go on all night if you do not allow this well-designed study group to do their job and analyze the pros and cons of this concept it will be taken up at the next shared service committee meeting which is scheduled for june 22nd vote no to this motion to rescind and let's let the well-designed law enforcement committee do their job and study this issue perhaps once the information is available the concept could go to the public for a referendum so we would know what the real taxpayers of this city really want thank you thank you all mesutia alderman hannah thank you mayor perez uh i don't have any prepared notes and i agree with with much of what all the person okay there's a little disruption here let's wait thank you sir please proceed i believe that this issue should have been addressed at the shared services committee level this is everything that all the person suja has brought up it's a legitimate area for the shared services committee to be working on and i think you chair the shared services committee or it should have been dealt with these are none of this needs to be done through a special committee if you don't if we don't like the members of the shared services committee when we prefer the new team to be on it so be it there was no need to form a new group we had the we had it in place if you want new players if they were if the past committee wasn't working up to our standards let's move forward i don't see why we needed to bring act 40 into this these are shared service issues and they should be dealt with professionally and i was i was delighted to hear that that chief kirk and you are going to move forward and share ideas and i'm sure share of help he's going to be involved there too let's rescind this let's assign a task to the shared services committee and move on thank you old man sir did you hit your button thank you mr. mayor uh the whole intended at resolution to form the committee was uh act 40 was cited which is the contracting with the sheriff's department for police coverage here and elimination of the jobs one of the criteria for act 40 and it's on the last page is that all all union contracts have to have expired therefore you know once you are the contracts have expired you can eliminate those jobs sole intent was to eliminate jobs the police the police department jobs the police positions the supervisory positions that's the whole intent the timeline was presented the timeline that was presented included the union expiration of the contract if it wasn't if it wasn't intended to eliminate those jobs why was that timeline included in the uh in the discussion now this council hasn't hasn't rescinded anything for a quite a long while here eight or nine months this this resolution needs to be rescinded and i fully support it and i hope that this council members will do that thank you thank you alderman davis vice president serda thank you your honor i just want to clarify tonight make myself very clear that um i have heard the concerns of the citizens and that their concerns have not fallen on deaf ears and by making myself clear is that there's a lot of talk about shared services and dialogue and when i cast my vote tonight is one that says under no circumstances whatsoever would we disband our police department and compromise the value of our city's safety um so we can do all the talking we want to and i i have to give credit to our departments because we have been doing that in the past you can talk to um chief kirk you can do a ride along you can go through citizen academy and you will find out the many shared services that we already have but by casting my vote again i reiterate that by doing so i am standing for what i truly believe in the citizens that have come out in numbers and saying under no circumstances whatsoever do we want to do that before we allow okay we've got that i'd like to want to speak elmind row when um alderman ryan was giving his presentation he kept saying uh 29 was 607 it's 21 oh 607 is just an action and um uh as i told him earlier in the meeting he mentioned a horse of a different color and i told him i didn't have one horse and a plus two but on that being said looking at the existing shared services committee that would have um no notice it hasn't met for a profit probably three years i think it was and a lot of that was because it flipped flop from year to year um one year being um county controlled one year being city controlled and every year what had to be done was that they um they uh elected a new president or chairperson of that committee and vice chairperson and that was never done and so it sat there without any job to do and because of that i um i looked at it and i said okay the the resolution that was drafted i included a committee that i think would do a very good job of looking at shared services of looking at everything that we need to do and i feel very strongly that my resolution that i brought in amending the original resolution would be the better choice because we do have the committee in place tonight it was appointed we're waiting till our next meeting to to um actually appoint that committee and i think it needs to be done therefore at this time i would move that uh the resolution repealing uh resolution 210607 be placed on file motion and a second to put the resolution on file under discussion i would like to speak i hope i hope that the alderman who voted before if you will recall it was a seven to eight vote with alderman danver hassel not being sworn in yet it was a close vote to create the committee in the first place when he has such a close vote it generally sends a pretty strong message not only to this council but to the community and that message is that it's a very sensitive issue we have an issue here before us that is in my opinion at this point threatening the existence of our police department i cannot support that i am asking every alderman who voted in favor of creating the committee in the first place to change your mind filing this document is not the answer we need to rescind it and be responsive to the community listen to the people they spoken loud enough i've heard it i've had numerous emails numerous phone calls have been stopped everywhere i've gone and people have approached me and asked please mr mayor do not eliminate the police department we simply cannot do that the police department is an is an extreme integral part of what sheboygan is all about and the quality of life they were enjoying it is a huge percentage of our mere existence i haven't worked hard in cheap hurt to combat crime to combat drug traffic and illegal use of drugs a lot of what i do is not known to the public and that's okay if the public doesn't know how the chief and i work closely together that's okay i know in my heart that i have been a strong support of the police department and when this counts before us in a threatening way in my position is no i do not support it rescindin rescindin this resolution will send a strong message to our police force to our community who depend who rely on public safety and the officers that are sworn to protect them for us to do anything that threatens that in any way is wrong we should not be doing that a lot of us have deep convictions commitments to no taxation no further taxation a lot of us dance for a lot of different things that's why you get elected because people see the diversity of strength and energy and commitment in each and every one of you there's 16 of you and all together collectively you bring together a pretty powerful force in this community but there comes a time and there's been other times before when people speak and say please don't and my advice to you don't i do not support by the document i would ask that you voted down and vote to rescind it let's move forward and i also ask because we have 16 older men about 32 county supervisors that gives you 48 people that need to come together and meet mentally and emotionally and agreed to do something to me it would be more appropriate to have the chief of police and his staff and myself administratively worked down put together a plan that will address specific very specific detail items that we can address as a city with respect to shared services that has been done before we've already done that shared services is not a new concept people talk about it like it's the best thing to slice bread and we just learned about it yesterday it's not it's been around for more than 20 years it takes willing parties but we've had all our department heads either one time or another or more than once meet with our counterparts or their counterparts in the county and they've discussed ideas on how to approach shared services at some point shared services and that that concept of shared services it's not going to mean anything anymore because we would have moved forward in such a positive direction that we will have accomplished pretty much everything there will be that finality to two shared services so it doesn't do us any good to keep pushing something unless there's the other side that's willing and i think that if chief kirk and i work together and put together some ideas for you bring them to the council for your consideration maybe that's the best way to start and then if the council wants to go a different direction you're free to do so and summation please vote no against filing it and vote yes to rescind thank you thank you your honor uh first of all i want to say it's a sad day in shabuigan when alderman have to fear for their personal safety to come to a meeting very much offended by that second second second let me get to my point please uh i am this has been a uh it's going to be a very difficult decision for me it has been and i just made up my mind this afternoon i make no apologies for act 40 whatsoever and the input and the phone calls and the emails that i've gotten from the police department from the fire department mean absolutely nothing in my decision what does make what what finally made up my mind this afternoon was that the majority of the people that i heard of not affiliated with the police department or the fire department my constituents constituents throughout the city have told me that i should step back and that's what i've decided to do and i'm going to support alderman ryan thank you thank you alderman boran alderman can choose thank you your honor uh this is a difficult issue and uh i too have heard from many constituents and many people not in my district but in the city uh and i think we're um i hope we're going to be ready to do our homework sometime i don't think we're ready to do our homework tonight um i do pledge uh as an older person to work diligently to communicate with the city i think one of the issues that's at hand here is misinformation or half information or poor information and i don't know how we can get across to the city what goes on what decisions are made why they're made what information we have to go by um there's just a lot of hearsay gossip um all sorts of innuendos that you have to uh sort through to hear what people are saying sometimes and i think that's the fault of all of us here as older persons how well are we educating and how well is this system of the city council educating people as to what is on our desk um we're just it looks like we're just filing papers you know shuffling papers there's a lot to it and uh i don't take it lightly this job and i wish somehow citizens who were interested i know there's a website things like that but um i think press coverage isn't good i think radio coverage isn't good and people get a lot of information from that for some reason or other that's where they get it from they're not necessarily studying too hard somehow we have to make that information more accessible more understandable so that we can move ahead and it's not a big mystery at somehow we're working together learning together studying together and not being suspicious of each other thank you alderman clayunus alderman want my order thank you your honor your words were impressive alderman born your words were impressive alderman clayunus your words were impressive and so was everybody else's i think alderman clayunus you're right lots of misinformation is out for whatever reason alderman born i think you're right step back let's start over let's try a new your honor i think would be a wonderful idea for you and the chief and whomever else is necessary to gather some information and i think that idea bringing it back to the council is good my one suggestion is if you're going to look at dispatch and that's what the chief had suggested at the ppns meeting we need somebody that knows about unions because that will come into it and cooperation is not shared services shared services means it's going to save the county some money and it's going to save us some money simply cooperating is cooperation which is plot a lot a lot of all but that is not shared services thank you alderman want my order alderman born thank you your honor i would like to see the shared service committee be comprised of the individuals that i that i recommended for the the committee under act 40 i think it's a diversified group i think it's it's a group that has everybody as i said when i was talking about act 40 had a place at the table that was interested in in the in the discussion and with shared services i think to keep the focus maybe and i'm not criticizing the alderman of the county board supervisors but i think with those people on that committee it will keep its focus i'd even like to see a timeline on it whatever whatever the timeline would be but i would like to see that committee move forward and get something done i understand that mana to walk in fondellac county i believe have gone to a single dispatch i think they would be good resources for how it how it was done and how the concerns were handled of when the system goes down there has to be technology to get that done that's always been the argument in the past uh so again i would like to see somehow either through resolution or whatever needs to be done to see the people that i wanted on that committee to be on shared services i just think it's for the good of the community thank you thank you old one born we will sir alderman hannah on the file anyone else motion to file there's been a motion to second to file please call the roll an i vote would be to file this resolution davis grove hannah kittleson clay unis mani meyer monta mayor radki no ryan susha vander wheel no verhaselt boran no burg and serda three eyes 13 nose motion fails on the motion to resend please call the roll and i vote being to resend and no vote being not to resend and that's the motion by alderman ryan i will read it to you by alderman ryan repealing resolution number 210607 adopted may 15 206 which authorized the formation of a metropolitan law enforcement services study committee and i vote will will uh rescind it i'm sorry there's people yes i see them all of them want them i want thank you again your honor i will vote to rescind if we don't get something accomplished i'll bring the resolution in next time thank you alderman hannah did you wish to say something sir please please rise yes i think i thought the motion was from gene davis i'm sorry yes but the the author is alderman ryan okay the motion is made by alderman davis thought the authorship is first to alderman ryan chief kurt yes please chief chief kirk is the department head we don't need to open the floor thank you mr mayor common counsel there's been some lively discussion here tonight i wish there was more before you voted so i'm glad you recognize me to allow a few words if you go back to the quotation which are the city clerk read tonight i'll make it brief because you've read it act as though the entire world is watching because southeastern wisconsin is watching i wish to say thank you to several groups of people here today i wish to say thank you first off to the citizens who have come out to the citizens who have called you the alderman who have called my office the mayor's office they are speaking out on a very very important issue tonight that you are debating i wish to say thank you to the all i mean to the employees not only the police department employees but all city hall employees for gathering together speaking as one speaking of the concerns that this issue has brought in front of us tonight i've heard my name being cited several times tonight i wish to say thank you i wish to just explore expound on some of those issues alderman sushi you're absolutely right i did talk to you about trying to keep emotions out of issues let's deal with the facts let's try to determine what the real fact is behind it don't deal with something on a mission emotional basis because you normally make the wrong decision so as i i sat here and as i heard the first resolution as was brought up and they talked about act 40 i knew immediately what was going on here i needed some clarification i spoke to some of you alderman about the clarification as some of you are speaking here tonight clarity is needed clarification is needed what is this about is it about shared services or is it about act 40 if in fact you bring in act 40 it brings in the abolishment of a local police department alderman ryan i wish to say thank you for those awards that you you let others know about because that's very very often we don't speak probably enough about ourselves and let the public know what we've been awarded and or what we've been doing second there was an issue talking about joint dispatch for those who haven't been around for a while and for those who don't understand about joint dispatch about the shared services committee in the year 2000 to 2001 we spent about a year and a half studying joint dispatch we had the city of shabuagan and a county of shabuagan paid 50 54 alert and associates to study joint dispatch we then the city of shabuagan police department along with shabuagan county sheriff's department then studied joint dispatch and we came up and made a presentation toward our shared services committee at that time on september 27 2001 it came to final resolution at that time at that time september 27 2001 the resolution that was handed down by our shared services committee was that the issue of shared or joint dispatch would not be furthered it was not broken dispatch was not broken by us it was not broken by the shabuagan county sheriff's department it did not need to be fixed according to what some of the guidelines set down by a alert and associates were and one was in the probably the most disturbing issue that i had was with it was that it was pushing for the creation of a separate joint dispatch facility in the area of one million dollars it wasn't broken to the issue of one million dollars Alderman montemire you're absolutely right joint dispatch should be a topic of discussion when the new police department is built however as we look at this this is a very very huge issue i believe it should be rescinded the resolution that was initially filed or put forth and was passed should be rescinded i think that there is a shared services committee in fact june 22nd it's having a meeting it already has a meeting that means it's been activated once again this is a huge issue and when we got involved when the citizens got involved in this they needed clarification i needed clarification and that was what the public information efforts were all about i would give alderman aboren a lot of credit he came to my office and we discussed this issue i give you a lot of credit for speaking here tonight and saying what what your beliefs are what your stand is going to be i would ask once again this effort be rescinded we are an excellent organization we have excellent efforts that's forthcoming we've been awarded various awards our officers have been awarded various awards our employees and as the governor before this meeting here tonight the governor was in front of city hall he spoke to those that were present here tonight showing support and wanted clarity he spoke of the excellent organization that we have i worked with our governor's office on an assortment of issues he came here he cared enough tonight to speak on the excellence that the city has in its police department and in its employees please i would ask that before you vote you take them to consideration some of these thoughts of the statements and efforts by our governor to come to our city hall tonight to speak to those who have showed tonight in support of us and to ask for clarity please we will i will always explore and implement shared services when it produces better efficiency more effectiveness it provides the same or better product and it must save money so there we have been looking at shared services if there's any other issues that need to be thrown on the table and discussed we are certainly willing i am willing to sit down be with the mayor's office or be with some committee to look at shared services so once again i wish to say thank you very much and i'm very very proud the members of my police department thank you comment thank you your honor um i too agree with almost everybody that has spoken here tonight um there has been a lot of misinformation a lot of fear in the community and um the way this thing has played out is is not what we had expected um this was just a fact finding committee we were just looking for information so we could make an intelligent decision bring it to the community tell them what we found and let the community decide what they wanted to do with it but seeing that this has grown legs um i feel i am doing a disservice to my constituents by not exploring this issue any further but i'm not going to be like my predecessor and ignore the people that have contacted me and because i know what it's like to be ignored so i will support the rescinding of this and hopefully we can continue on the right path and look for different ways to work with the county and share some services and actually do it not just talk about it thank you old thank you your honor um i just want to clarify for everybody that basically we have two options if we rescind this document then the shared service committee which consists of three alderman and three county board supervisors will be looking at shared services and act 40 or if this is not rescinded act 40 would be going to a special committee that was designed to represent labor it's got um ex official members of the police chief the sheriff the corporate council the county our council and business leaders um you've got a well formed committee that could look at this and analyze it people mostly who are not elected officials but it sounds like this group wants to rescind this motion and let the shared service committee look at it and that's okay with me if that's what everybody here wants to do i'm sure that elder person graff elder person vander wheelie and myself who sits on the shared service committee would be more than happy to look at this with the three county supervisors so if you rescind this this issue will be going to the shared service committee if you do not rescind it it will be going to a special neutral committee that will be able to look at one specific thing and it it it would come out with i think a better received results even if the goal is to just inform the public i have a feeling if it came from this committee it would be better received than if it comes from the shared service committee thank you thank you all sushi i um i get criticized pretty frequently lately but i get criticized if i'm too open too forceful with the council and make it my recommendations i get criticized if i'm not i'll learn to live with that but in response to the possibility of act 40 hidden the floor again as far as i'm concerned act 40 is out of the picture i will dig my heels in and make sure it stays out of the picture we're not going to deal with act 40 if we're going to talk about shared services we're going to talk about shared services act 40 is not about shared services it's out of the picture and i can get criticized for that i'll accept it but i will be forceful about that alderman manning thank you simply by way of observation i think if we have an issue in discussion it seems to be clearly uh representing quite divided opinions we would be serving ourselves in the city well to refer it to the committee of a whole not for action but for exploration and discussion if we had done that with this resolution we wouldn't be here tonight with this uh perspective on the whole thing uh would have been an educational adventure for the council and citizens and committee heads we've been a part of that as necessary it would have been a powerful educational venue this would not have been necessary so future reference uh that is my strong recommendation thank you all for many alderman Ryan thank you your honor uh i believe the the this issue i'm glad to hear that uh wisconsin act 40 is dead number one but i believe that that possibly if the shared services committee as it stands right now with three county board members and with three alder persons is not effective in dealing in creating a discussion of true shared services that possibly uh the the this committee uh maybe needs some some new appointments if if it's not functional as it is um i do believe that uh alderman boran's resolution his structure of the committee um is a well-balanced committee and uh possibly in the future this could be explored in a resolution to possibly have that committee act as a true shared services committee the structure of it i don't know about the appointments to it at this time but the structure that he has is a well-balanced committee and possibly that should be our shared services committee thank you thank you alderman van wheel thank you honor i agree with alderman ryan completely and i would ask you if we could work together and come up with a committee for shared services by the next council meeting because i think everybody in this room agrees that that committee that's in existence right now could be tweaked so i ask you if if we could look at that and maybe bring something in for the next council i will look at it i won't guarantee you and davis oh thank you honorable mayor i call for a question for a question second almost in favor of calling the question state aye any opposed please call for call do you want to roll for the final document a roll call on um rescinding yes and i vote will be to repeal this resolution graph no hannah kittleson clioness manny meyer monta mayor radke ryan susha vander wheel verhaselt boron burg serda davis 14 eyes two nose ocean carry is the public in the gallery planning to stay here otherwise i'm going to ask for a five-minute recess are you planning to stay here leave generally when the issue is over people leave are you staying here okay as long as as long as it's not a huge up okay we'll just hesitate while everybody leaves it wants to leave we'll just hesitate okay i'll ask for a motion for excuse me i'll ask for a motion to recess for five minutes all in favor we stand recess okay i'd ask for motion to reconvene motion second all those in favor of reconvene state aye any opposed we stand reconvene oh yes please call the roll for presence boron serda davis no just here that's okay that's okay graph hannah kittleson clioness manny meyer monta mayor radke ryan susha vander wheel and verhaselt 16 here quorum is present president bern yes thank you honor on the consent agenda i moved to uh accept and follow our seas approve and adopt all our rows and pass all resolutions motion to second any discussion under discussion allerman susha um thank you i'd like to uh i have a question on 514 and i'd like a separate vote on 516 514 please ask um this is relating to the police liaison program and it it is a very good program that has worked very well as a joint venture with uh the city and also the school district but i know last year when this issue came up uh there was questions about how our budget works and the school board budget works and things and i was just surprised to see a five-year contract and i'm wondering if we have the power to bind future councils attorney mclean please sponsor yeah it'd be my opinion if you it's a contract if you entered into it uh you would be binding the council for five years yeah and uh you'd like a separate vote on 516 yes attorney mclean would you please repeat oh my microphone's on it's on i just indicated yes it would be a contract for five years that would be binding upon the city i think we have one more question here old McGrath sir you have a question yes i'm on 514 also regarding that five-year term i'm i believe the document said it was 340 000 dollars split between the two entities is there a clause in there that as that increases from year to year it will still remain at 50 percent or is there a um an escalating clause in for the amount of monies that um are going to be charged or not because i'm a firm believer that the school board or the school district should be paying more because they use them probably nine months out of the year whereas we use them three months out of the year so thank you old McGrath old man bender will is chairman would you please answer that thank you honor uh actually chief Kirk if he's here or one of his representatives could probably answer that better than myself uh deputy chief wise please sir thank you album bender will council members my understanding that contract it was 50 percent so if it remains at 50 percent of the salary the school pays for uh four officers 50 percent of the costs 50 percent is 50 percent so if the officers wages go up or down uh 50 percent still remains the same so that was my understanding that it was half any other questions for deputy chief wise old man matting uh thank you your honor just a simple question along that line it looked like it was locked in the dollars as opposed to 50 percent for five years of the salary we were locked in the dollars that question of escalator how how does that happen have we stuck or are we simply committed to a contract which i support that's half of remuneration as settled with the city means i guess all i can comment on is how we've done it in the past and in the past they picked up 50 percent so if that isn't specifically stated that way that maybe has to be uh modified but that's traditionally that's what we've done uh deputy chief wise is right 50 percent is 50 percent of whether it's uh a number or a percentage of salary as it moves up or down so he's correct albin corn thank you your honor uh deputy chief wise could you just give me a breakdown of where the officers are now what schools and how many there are some people at home may not know that either and i don't yes there's uh there's uh four officers uh officer dan mower is the senior officer and he is at uh i'm sorry he's at north high uh officer uh lockwood uh is at uh i believe it's at uh farnsworth thank you thank you uh there's four officers let's see officer uh tim patin is at south high thank you and uh we have uh officer terry mayer splits his uh tying between uh urban and uh i believe it's uh farnsworth thank you thank you just follow up please do all the work thank you again mr your honor uh now with this contract for that dollar amount uh not that i'm looking to spend more money but does that lock us into that number of officers or let's say for example if there was a need demonstrated would we be able to open this up again during the five years to possibly provide another officer or officers if it was in the budget and there was a need demonstrated or are we are we locked into four with this five-year contract well without actually looking at the words in the contract it appears that we would be locked in for four officers for a period of five years uh any modifications uh you know would have to be you know a separate uh say for instance uh we have a lot of problems at uh it's drive and uh say for instance they require that you want to have an officer and they came before the council and proposed the package whereby they would pay for 50 percent of the salary and officer that would be a decision you have to make at the time okay thank you anything else uh turn it please uh thank you your honor i would just clarify i don't have a copy of the contract with me here either i know our office in the past has drafted it up and it's been drafted up historically as an annual contract and i was requested to do it for a longer term and it could well be that that there was a dollar amount in there i think if the intent is that it be 50 percent perhaps that could be uh indicated in the resolution here and if need be i could look at the contract language tomorrow and uh make that clear in the document uh as opposed to being locked into a fixed dollar amount for a five-year term which probably isn't going to be realistic okay Alderman Montanero thank you your honor um i would suggest if or perhaps um attorney McLean should look at that and and make any changes if necessary so it does reflect 50 percent for sure thank you okay thank you deputy chief that's the explanation uh 516 with uh alderman van der wheel i'd ask for a motion to put that to accept and adopt the reporter committee i'll make a motion to accept and adopt the reporter committee and approve the general rooms number 306 or 7 a motion in second under discussion alderman susha thank you your honor um what this document is under discussion okay what this document is doing is basically removing the stop lights at the intersection of ath and eerie and a couple of weeks ago we heard from the um deputy director of public works and he assured us verbally that there were going to be the wires under the ground in case in the future they find that the four-way stop is not working and that we would be able to resurrect uh re-resurrect the stop lights and i just would like to have that in writing as part of this so i would like to make a motion to amend this document stating the public works department is authorized and directed and the deputy director of public works will be held accountable to ensure there is proper wiring under the intersection of ath and eerie to facilitate any future needs for traffic signals the motion the second under discussion the amendment i think it's a it's a wise amendment that'll go there alderman ratkin thank you your honor i'd ask uh tom holton if that is a common practice when they do intersections do they put the wiring underneath the intersections for future uh possibility of traffic lights and things mr holton would you please approach podium thank you your honor counsel typically we do intersection we'll put if we have reasonable beliefs there'll be signals uh are any kind of stop signs we have lights on in the future we do put conduits underneath the pavements we don't have to dig up the pavement again we put pull boxes in so that's already in the plans it's part of the bid package to do it any other questions thank you mr holton okay on the amendment please no all those in favor state aye aye any opposed motion carries i'll need a motion to approve the resolution as amended some motion and a second under discussion as amended there being none do you need a roll call on it yep please call the roll borne berg serda davis graff hannah kittleson clonus manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan susha van der wheel and verhaselt 16 ayes motion carries on the balance of the consent agenda five one through five seventeen with the exception of the one you just voted on please call the roll well i'm sorry all the montemayor thank you your honor does anyone else smell smoke you smell smoke i don't okay somebody must be grilling out late i'm sure there's enough people out there okay thank you for pointing that out okay please call the roll um berg serda davis graff hannah kittleson clonus manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan susha van der wheel verhaselt and borne 16 ayes motion carries communications and petitions 5 18 through 5 19 to be referred report of officers 2 5 20 by the city attorney subordinate copy of the decision of the wisconsin court of appeals district 2 in the matter of pool versus the city of sheboygan president berg yes i moved that we accepted file the communication second motion and second to accept in file under discussion there being none all those in favor state i any oppose motion carries 5 21 lies over until july 17th please make that notation 5 22 through 5 37 to be referred resolutions introduce three 5 38 by alderman graff authorizing the city attorney to file a petition to review the court of appeals decision in pool versus city of sheboygan alderman graff thank you your honor i moved that that resolution be put upon its passage motion the second to put resolution 5 dash 38 upon its passage under discussion there being none all those in favor state i any opposed motion carries 39 40 41 and 42 have been dealt with 5 dash 43 by alderman ryan approving the terms and conditions of the contract for lease of land and the company company ground leads between the redevelopment authority and ljm architect incorporated alderman ryan thank you your honor i move to uh suspend the rules is there any objection to suspend the rules there being none please proceed sir um the this is for the islander building make a motion to put the resolution upon his passage make motion put the resolution upon his passage there's a second okay under discussion alderman thank you your honor uh this is the islander building which is going up in the south pier district uh ljm architects is building it in the the president that of that organization eric jensen actually would like to begin construction on this tomorrow this is a standard uh lease document that's been done on the other other properties on the south pier district and uh i believe that uh everyone was that uh it uh be approved this evening very good thank you alderman ryan any other discussion alderman susha um just for the viewing audience i'm wondering if somebody could um give us a little rundown of what the islander building is all about sure uh miss henders palet please come to the podium thank you all miss usha okay thank you mayor and command council the islander is um as alder person had mentioned before that it's an ljm project eric jensen and it's two shops it's a shanty building in the shanty village portion of south pier district and it's i think what he's know that he's officially announced to his tenants are two tenants i know that one is a cafe i think the other is a flower shop any other questions for miss henders thank you thank you okay there is no further discussion and city clerk please call the roll davis graf hannah kitlson clay unis mani meyer montemeyore radki ryan susha van der wheel verhaselt boran berg and surda 16 eyes motion carries 5-44 5-45 to be referred reported committee 6 5-46 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7060 based on failure to cooperate with the committee and failure to reveal all violations alderman ratney thank you your honor eggs make a motion we accept the report of committee is there is a party here tonight under discussion uh sandra henderson here this evening tendra henderson i'll hear this evening thank you alderman ratney any further discussion there being none all those in favor state aye any opposed motion carries reported committee 7 547 is 547 to be referred ordinance introduced 10 548 to be referred matters laid over 9 4-73 an ro number 360607 by the city clerk submitting a report from the shabuigan county chamber of commerce convention and visitors bureau for the 2005 activities president bird oh yes i moved to accept and file the document motion and second to accept the file under discussion there being none all those in favor state aye any opposed motion carries 452 resolution number 220607 by alderman bird creating a naming rights committee to study and identify opportunities for naming rights sponsorships gifts and support for special projects purchase equipment and other such activities which will aid the city of shabuigan to maintain and improve the quality of life for its citizens president bird yes thank you and i moved at the resolution to be put upon its passage second motion and second to put resolution file 452 upon its passage under discussion thank you under under discussion i think this parallels activities that have been taken place in the school district the university center etc and i think it allows us to move from being reactive to active by looking very closely at the kinds of opportunities and activities we can highlight and hopefully involve the state planners folks who really care for and love shabuigan and provide them with some opportunities to participate in the further growth of our city especially in terms of the areas of quality of life i think naming rights have been very successful in the school district and i think we can find a number of opportunities ranging from such opportunities as buying a brick dollar at the marina for a certain cost to larger opportunities for example if somebody wanted to put a carousel in fault in park i happen to have the fund one for about a half million dollars and i'd be more than pleased to name it after anybody who'd be willing to give us the money so we could put a carousel in the park and this would be i guess an opportunity such as that thank you please note it's empty olerman hannah thank you mayor peres i've got some experience with this with the school board with the public education foundation and i think what we're going to find is that the citizens the corporate citizens and individual citizens of shabuigan are going to blow away expectations uh this we have a remarkably generous community and i think this is appropriate that we're going to give them the opportunity to help because folks are out there and they do want to help thank you olerman hannah olerman month of my life thank you your honor i was going to comment that i'm sure we will be we will be secure in knowing that it won't be walley's whiskey or something but then i know that the director of public works director of city development and to alderman are not going to make any of those kind of decisions thank you thank you all the month of my own olerman van der wheel thank you honor uh being chairman of poll protection safety i just have to mention because it's been uh people have talked with me quite a bit about cameras and parks and this would be a perfect area where we can maybe raise some money for cameras and parks and might take presidents over a carousel thank you very good no matter will olerman ratkin thank you your honor i'm going to take this opportunity to say i do endorse this fully and i by the way if anybody is interested i do have a water feature available over in anything wisconsin thank you and we'll ask all those people to watch and please make notation of that correct yes very good sir anything else they're being on please call the roll graf hannah kiddison clayunas manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan susha van der wheel verhaselt boron berg serda and davis 16 eyes motion carries 453 resolution number 230607 by alderman graf hannah susha boron and clayunas authorizing a transfer of appropriations into 2006 budget alderman graf thank you your honor that resolution along with resolution 240607 which is also a resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2006 budget i would move that both resolutions be put upon their passage motion the second to put 453 and 554 upon their passage under discussion they're being non please call the roll kiddison clayunas manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan susha van der wheel verhaselt boron berg serda davis graf and hannah 16 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law uh is it the wish of the council to forward these to the committees or they're all pertain to or would somebody like to make a motion to file you want to move them forward alderman montemayor i make a motion to file which one which one there's a bunch of them let's see the uh anything to do with the police correct anything yes please we would be looking at 549 five uh 551 go ahead and you call all right and then we'd be using um 552 553 554 555 and six and seven 57 58 59 and that's it yes please arm kittleson you're okay with that ma'am i'm sorry 61 61 also okay all right kittleson are you okay with that be in the all right kittleson yes thank you you're in that means you're filing these they're not going to the committee there's no need for it there's no need for taking care of thank you uh alderman van der wheel did you wish to speak sir yes thank you honor some confusion beginning of 551 should be included in that correct yes and then 549 should not be because that is all right i'm sorry 549 should not be 549 right something different okay so we got everything except 4950 and 60 correct yes everybody got that there's a motion president burt you wish to speak no there was a motion in the second to file all those documents and again who did make the motion to file all these alderman kittleson alderman montemayor and who second second okay there's a second okay please call the roll no it's all eyes anybody want a roll call all those in favor state i any opposed wow thank you motion carries okay so then 549 we'll go to public protection and safety 550 uh doesn't say where that's going to pass it tonight uh i need uh president burt uh yes your honor i move to accept the dot the report of officer and move the application on its passage motion in second on your discussion there being none all those in favor state i any opposed motion carries 560 we'll go to public works other matters of turning the clean thank you your honor 562 is an aroh by the city clerk submitting a communication from cathy kriger submitting the email she sent there for us stating it's not the city's best interest for our police department to be merged with the sheriff's department anybody want to make a motion to file i want to second motion second to file all those in favor state i i any opposed motion carries 563 is communication from mary's arophonitis suggesting that we renegotiate for the north 23rd street site for our new police station and providing facts and figures regarding this issue it will go to building use 564 is communication from warren spouts questioning why we are looking at getting rid of the police department if there is this is about shared services than why act 40 that's for a motion to file second discussion all those in favor state i any opposed motion carries 565 is a communication from mike malmberg stating his concerns with dismantling the police department motion second to file under discussion all those in favor state i any opposed motion carries 566 is communication from dr jack westfall stating that there are four important and related issues to consider emerging services between the police and sheriff's department and listing those reasons you want that one file too we wanted to go motion second to file under discussion all those in favor say i any opposed motion carries 567 is communication from sue kraus stating that disbanding the police department would be a big mistake and would need to do what we can to support the department motion second to file under discussion all those in favor state i any opposed motion carries 568 is communication from patricia and kevin nai who's 1303 maryland avenue stating their concerns about the parking and status of maryland avenue between 13th and 14th and asking that this be put back to a two-way street that goes public protection and safety 569 is resolution authorizing entering into an agreement for engineering services for seawall design and field quality control testing at 23 excuse me 239 339 pennsylvania avenue that goes to public works 570 is an ordinance to lower starting pay for future non-represented employees who are hired by the city of spoigen it goes to salary and grievances 571 is a resolution directing a public hearing to be held in connection with change of the city's official zoning map for property located 1117 and 1123 north 27th street and 1118 and 1212 north 26th street alderman kittleson i'd like to make a motion or i'd like to suspend the rules on this is there any objection to suspension there being on please proceed and i'd like to make a motion to put upon its uh to put upon its passage second second under discussion under discussion this is a uh um oh the smith gardens could no it's just never okay and that's uh located i believe on colormomore holders in favor stay i say any oppose motion carries 572 is an application for an amendment of the official zoning map of the city for grigorsky development llc for property located at 1117 and 1123 north 27th street and 1118 and 1126 north 26th street it goes to city planning 573 is an ordinance amending the city of shaboygan official zoning map of the shaboygan zoning ordinance to change the use district classification of the property located at 1117 and 1123 north 27th street from class mr mixed residential to class so suburban office classification that goes to city plan motion second to adjourn all those in favor say aye any opposed stand adjourned good night everyone with the exception of 183 is there a second to that motion second second under discussion alderman susha thank you mr mayor i would like item 18 six uh referred back to finance so we can obtain a legal opinion before we vote on this 186 will be referred back to finance anything else alderman they're being on please call the roll deberg eberg serda davis groff kittleson manney meyer montemayor rackey sagali stefan susha van akron van der wheel and bellman 16 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 1814 through 1816 except 1815 will be referred back to public work except 1815 will be referred to public protection and safety and public works reports of officers to 1817 by city plan commission recommended amend the text of the zoning ordinance so as to increase the permit fee for a driveway permit from 25 or 35 dollars alderman montemayor thank you your honor i move to accept and file the report of officer and pass the ordinance there's a motion in a second under discussion alderman sagali thank you mr mayor uh with the increase of these fees that are taking place could you please tell me is this money going back into the gen uh this money going into the general fund or where would this extra ten dollars does it go to where is it going these fees permit fees go to the general fund yes okay thank you any other questions please call roll eberg serda davis gruff kittleson manny meyer montemayor rackey sagali stefan susha van akron van der wheel bellman and dberg 16 eyes motion carries 1818 lies over 1819 through 1822 to be referred resolutions introduced 3 1823 by alderman susha requesting the shabuagan county board and or the appropriate county board committee to consider lowering the speed limit on county highway okay from weden creek road to 500 feet south of river dell avenue from 45 miles per hour to 35 miles per hour alderman susha thank you mr mayor i move that the resolution be put upon its passage the motion is second under discussion alderman sagali thank you mr mayor um i just would like to inform the public that we had that speed limit um from 55 down put down to 45 and at the time that we had done this and this was even before i became older person we were fighting because i lived in that area concerning all the accidents and having fighting to have something done in weden creek and okay and um the county at that time refused to bring it down to 35 they said they were willing to do the 45 but they did not want to do the 35 so i'm hoping that um this resolution will help but at that time it they wouldn't do it so as long as you're aware of that thank you alderman sagali and i will add under discussion that i plan to have some discussions with the county officials about that to see if we can once and for all deal with this issue to the safety of the community thank you any other comments discussion they're being on please call the roll serda davis groff kittleson manny meyer montemey or ratki sagali i stefan susha van akron van der wheel bowman dberg and eberg 16 eyes motion carries 1824 to 1828 lies over 1829 to 1831 to be referred reporter committees six by law and license 1832 by law and licensing recommended denying taxi cab drivers license number 69 59 based on failure to cooperate with the committee and failure to reveal all violations alderman manning thank you your honor if you have the committee i move that we accept and adopt the report of the committee there's a motion to second to accept and adopt under discussion