 And we're live. I'm Anthony dream Johnson CEO and co-founder of the red man group founder of 21 studios and a 21 convention Today with episode 96 of the red man group broadcasting live on red man group and 21 studios and couple other platforms, too Joining me today is anti-feminist professor Janice Fiemen go a lot of you actually know her from her work on studio Braleigh on YouTube and other shows she's been on Recently for example, she went on a good morning Britain with me here is Morgan and Susanna Reed And you might have also seen on the Rubin report about a year ago now and You know the huge channel, you know huge show So Janice thanks for joining us today. You are the first woman to ever join the red man group. Well, I am honored Thank you and see yeah We're talking to see you. Yeah, you too. This is only like one of the It's probably the third time we've ever actually talked. We've talked through email and stuff at live It's infrequent But yeah, it's a pleasure again to know you and having you on the show and really I really appreciated you coming on the Good morning Britain show too. I Had a couple options if you to bring on the show like speakers and stuff and ultimately asked you to do it And you accepted and I thought that was awesome. I thought you just really killed it and In a way that was very different for me, too Like I will kind of was combative with you know Piers Morgan and Susanna and you came in and had brought a whole bit different perspective on that So that was like a lot of fun. Well, we didn't get much of a chance to present our point of view, but It's always good to try Even if they all they have to offer is is mockery and personal attack I thought you did a great job in you know really Pretty uncomfortable position. I suspected that it might go that way But I was hoping that maybe they were actually up for a real conversation Yeah, it's seen that the more we get into it and for those of you who don't know about this You can go on YouTube right now And if you type make women great again or make women great again Good morning Britain anything like that. You'll pull up this interview and You guys can go watch it. It's a lot of fun. I'll post a link to the full version, too It's about 20 minutes in the description after the show Yeah, what I noticed about the interview those of those even seen you go see it But I noticed that as they went through the interview more especially after they got done with you They got increasingly more like more hostile more personal. Yeah It was kind of looking back on it was interesting to see the progression of that throughout the show Whereas at the beginning it was more like well, I'm a feminist like what do you think Anthony? And so they started out polite and then it's escalated to this these ad-hom attacks Wow. Yeah, the ad hominem was really Marked I mean wow, it's a the the what I thought was that the show proved The thing that they are denying Or the thing that they're claiming which is that feminism is about equality the show proved It isn't because there is no way that a woman coming on to talk about a women's Conference about how men can be let's say better allies in the struggle for gender equality There's no way she would have been attacked like that and asked whether she had a partner and whether the reason she didn't have a Partner might be because no man wanted to buy her shtick and you know all of these kinds of contemptuous things Yeah, it's hard to even imagine peers grilling a woman putting on a conference like that There's there's no way he would be instantly yelled at or sure, you know shout it down Which is itself problematic on its own, but Yeah, it's just ridiculous the way but I'm not worried about it like I've been through I've been an entrepreneur now online for like 13 years So I haven't gone to bat with media like that before but I'm used to getting yelled at and attacked by you know Feminists and people screaming at me. These are the keyboard and stuff I'm sure you could do that of yourself as well, right? Well, you know as a woman I'm largely protected from it. Really. I mean it's amazing There is no way that a man in my position would have been able to carry on as an academic for example With the very little personal blowback that I experienced a man Saying the kinds of things giving lectures in the way that I've given them And teaching at a university He would have had a terrible time might even have been dismissed and and probably would have been accused by Female students of creating a hostile environment at the very least if not accused of some form of sexual harassment Or sexual abuse and so those are always the weapons of course also immediately a ton of shaming language A ton of blame about how you're a misogynist. You're trying to hold women back You're trying your demeaning your objectifying your degrading your this and that They can't really do that to me So in so many ways, I'm protected from the automatic sorts of attacks that feminists always launch against any dissident men I mean, I do get my fair share of hatred, but it always has to take a slightly different tack Yeah, I noticed with the good morning Britain interview that what do they give you? I mean not a lot of time but they give you a fair amount of you know Good stretch of time but after that then everyone back to you No, and I think it's because they didn't know what to do with you They didn't know how to attack you and it would have like back backfire a lot harder had they tried with you Which is why I brought you on I figured that I've had a tough time attacking you like that Yeah, they did I'm sorry that I wasted the first part of my my my minutes talking about the suffrage movement I don't think I managed to make a very good point and for many people. I mean that's ancient history I should have said something much more direct about the feminist movement now And how it manifests in our current culture. I think that would have been more useful I mean, I thought you did great like I know you're hard on yourself about it I loved it and but I do get it the like we should talk about that like feminists have done a really good job Rewriting history exactly. It's revisionist. It's really ridiculous and I didn't know that till probably like maybe two Two and a half years ago at least to the extent that you know, they've kind of overwritten this stuff So talk to me a little bit I didn't know it either and there's still all sorts of things about history that that I don't know and you know It would take a lifetime to uncover all of the ways that that our current moment Misunderstands the past the thing that drives me crazy is that even amongst You know anti-feminists male positive advocates or even just non-feminists There we just all kind of accept that up until about 20 years ago Women were in a terrible position. They were essentially powerless. There were all sorts of social sanctions against them There are all sorts of ways they were prevented from fulfilling their life possibilities that men had a great time Men were privileged men were you know, just marauding throughout the world doing whatever they wanted most peace so in any discussion even if it can be proved that You know that the situation as it exists now Massively favors women in all sorts of ways that aren't even good for women, which is an interesting subject in itself But everybody all you know just accepts that that is only a very recent thing and so you hear all the time Well, the pendulum has swung and it swung too far No, the this that's not the issue women have had specific social advantages and privileges for At least the last century and a half much of what Feminists have described as misogyny and abuse Was really men trying to protect women and to keep them out of certain dangerous Occupations or to prevent them from coming to harm in various different ways And yes, that meant that in some ways women were not Entirely free they weren't as free and did not have as many life choices as they have now One of the things I discovered a couple years ago researching Early feminism is that a lot of women actually opposed women getting the right to vote Because I thought they'd get drafted and they didn't want to go to war and you know Get their head blown off or you know star freeze to death or something Yeah Well, that was those were the women that recognized female privilege and the forms that it took You know and this idea yeah that men were privileged because men were the one ones who went to war men were the ones who were expendable that is the truth of it and Yeah, you know, there's a fellow named Jonathan Taylor who once said, you know, who was the person who was most oppressed in 1915 the woman who You know didn't have the right to vote Or the man who was sent off to fight in the first world war and had his guts blown out or saw his all his close friends Die in these horrific ways You know there's men at that time that were young had no right to vote So they were being drafted with that. This is a huge issue back then, right? Mm-hmm. Yes, the in certainly in Britain in Canada I think most men could vote in the United States by that point although the the struggle for for male suffrage is Also a very uneven struggle and it always had to do with property and income Qualifications, but certainly in Canada and Great Britain There were very large millions of men who went off to die in the first world war Also couldn't vote and the fact that feminists never mentioned them or campaign for their rights Shows that feminism was not about equality whatsoever Yeah, like one of the things I was most fascinated with to discover researching early suffrage movements and feminism in 1800s even is that most Americans in a way that we don't appreciate today They didn't view voting as a right for everyone anyone even the people who had it wasn't a right It was much more like jury duty as I understand it. Yes administrative responsibility you had that was delegated to certain people maybe not maybe not fairly obviously, but It wasn't like the sacred right that we view it as now and as a millennial That's how I was taught growing up in school The right right right right right, but early Americans didn't view it like that Yeah I was understood to be a kind of obligation and that only people who had a very substantial stake in the country Significant landowners people like that or members of the upper classes were Understood to be the ones that should make those very important decisions about the country's future Yes, obviously, we don't think in those terms anymore about the right to vote But it was understood very differently. So the fact that women didn't vote You know what didn't mean that women weren't seen as human as feminists like to say now And of course men voted with the interests of their wives and daughters and you know Sisters and mothers in mind and long before women had the right to vote You can see the record of men passing legislation That advantaged women So the idea that men used their power To to oppress women to hold them back in some way is simply not true if you actually study history You can always find examples of men who behaved badly and got away with it But the vast majority of men And you know the the the community of men were always concerned at least in the western world Were always very concerned about protecting women and and respect for women was a Incredibly important ideal in the 19th century, for example So yeah, it's it's sad because um, and you know, and even like recent history We we continually misunderstand We now have this idea For instance, we're in relation to the me too movement just as one example We have this idea that up until 2017 When the me too movement started women couldn't talk about sexual harassment and sexual assaults that women were They were prevented from speaking out if they did speak out no one believed them or no one listened to them That is simply not true Like the our amnesia about the even the recent past is just startling People forget that Anita Hill accused Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment Actually discovered last night. They just made a movie about that that came out in select theaters in America and canada It's called Clarence Thomas and his own words and a lot of it focuses on that issue Which I think would be one of the first modern day almost or proto thing You know me too allegations. We actually called it a in public. He called it a digital lynching. Yeah I mean that was in 1991 And you know, she was able to stop the entire nomination process for days while everyone listened to her her testimony And you know, there were mass debates. There were buttons that feminist organizations produced saying I believe Anita Hill and you know And this is all based on on you know, no evidence whatsoever again a pattern of her Remaining in close contact with Thomas afterwards in a very friendly manner and some of the allegations were Just laughable what that he said to her Who put pubic hair on my coke? So, you know, a revered judge is not allowed. He shouldn't be on the supreme court because he allegedly said this Which I don't believe he said I haven't looked into it that I didn't know that part Yeah, that's one of the major allegations against him that he said at some You know meeting that they had he sat down and looked at his coke and said who put pubic hair on my coke Well, I know I just I don't really believe that any man would say that Just crazy Of course context is all in these sorts of situations. What kind of relationship did they have? Maybe they had a jokey kind of relationship where they occasionally said crude things to one another Or maybe he was having an off day Maybe he did say it like is that really so Oh, you know like the the I think it's Christina Hoff summers who coined the the phrase fainting couch feminism Or maybe somebody else, but it's just so true. Oh, wow. Oh, I can't work with a horrible man Just say such a thing and you know, and so that was in 1991 So we already had a huge public discussion going on about what was acceptable Conduct what kinds of things men could and could not say you know to their female co-workers And that was not the beginning even I mean throughout the 1980s Starting in the late 1970s. There were books being published Catherine McKinnon famous feminist theorist and A legal theorist in particular published a book called sexual harassment of working women and throughout the 1980s So we're now talking 40 years ago all sorts of companies and you know schools and Universities and colleges introduced sexual harassment legislation because it became this major issue Where women were talking about the unacceptable ways that they were marginalized and made to feel demeaned in the workspace So this is a conversation and okay, you can say yes, we need to have these conversations. That's fine But to continually pretend that it's a new Conversation we've got to start it all over again And we have to start harassing men and haranguing them and telling them all the ways in which they're You know completely unacceptable. Yeah, exactly. It's it's this notion this hysterical kind of outcry about women's Oppression that is simply not true if you look even into the recent past So it just drives me crazy It feels like what we would call like well, it's hysteria and as what it is mass hysteria that keeps perpetuating itself But also like this form of alarmism It's like god they said they're sounding the alarm just over and over and over and over again It's like what are you talking about like women are are more protected and safer today Than ever before and we'll cross yeah, and then ever in all of history I actually put out a tweet um probably a few months ago now like maybe two months ago And I said that women today in america at least in the west They have more rights and privileges than their entire maternal line of ancestors combined Over the past couple hundred thousand years and people got really people liked it, you know my fans And then other people got really upset But I think because it's true it hits on the weather vein of truth for that That's why there's so much anger is driven by it too Yeah, it's uh, yeah, it's I mean I really I can't quite understand The level of anger Amongst women many of it much of it quite sincere For what for having all of these various opportunities? And of course this does raise the interesting issue that your convention touches on and I know you mentioned in your Promotional literature that women are less happy And have less life satisfaction now Then before the feminist movement started, which is just fascinating What can you say about a movement whose primary aim? Was to improve the lives of women that it has so spectacularly failed um, you know and and I read a study that that I did a video on it not too long ago that that tracked women's various surveys looking at women's happiness and life satisfaction in the 1970s women reported greater levels of happiness than men In 1984 The levels crossed and that's the heyday of the feminist movement Interesting and men started declining or yeah, that's when women's happiness started declining and men's happiness Levels started rising and now men Is you know quite consistently report a greater sense of life satisfaction, you know sort of ironically in a way I mean to me I wouldn't want to be a young man today because I think young men have Lousy time of it. They're constantly being berated For how terrible they are and all the things they have to do to make up for their centuries of male privilege and apologize for their So-called toxic masculinity and there's all sorts of ways that the law is discriminated against men Yet despite all that men report feeling happier about their lives and better about themselves and women do And so yeah, that's it's really really interesting Isn't it it says something about the fact that greater and certainly women do have greater number of life choices Economically women are in better positions than they've they've ever been in before Yet that isn't in and of itself making them feel good about themselves Yeah, and you mentioned, uh, you know being a young man today And I could tell you right now that it feels like I'm supposed to apologize for the way I was born And that's really disturbing and the fact that it's it's not just like this isolated thing It's promoted, you know very widespread in culture And and I've seen that my entire life, you know Yeah, and I think I can help men but yeah, I mean I really that it's the thing Well, it's the thing I feel most passionately about and it's the thing I know Deepest in my heart that is totally wrong and anytime people tell me about how the feminist movement You know still has some good in it or you know, it's still needed Because there's the very no no Yeah, this is what I like about you because you you are you pull no punches and you're very fierce and you're consistent in your opposition to feminism I mean you're talking a little bit about that because that's different from someone like Christina Hoff summers I think she's still trying to reform feminism and things like that She talks a lot about feminism from her youth Like why are you you're different in that position of my understanding than she is He's talking a little bit about that. Yeah, I'm not sure why you know, um, but but you know, I I uh, yeah I mean, maybe you know her experience of feminism obviously must have been different from mine But mine was that I became a feminist because I swallowed feminist propaganda. I'm ashamed to say now You know, I was an adult. I wasn't a child. I was a graduate student in my in my late 20s And uh, and you know, and I had not had a bad experience as a woman My experience had been that all doors were open to me I it was the ideal life really You know, I I um, I felt I could do anything if I worked hard enough and if I was talented enough in that area that's what I want for everyone men and women and um, You know, so, uh, but when I read feminist theory, I thought it must be true because here it was in in academia Everybody was was a feminist nobody doubted that the narrative about female marginalization and oppression was true So I accepted that it must be and that is an extremely attractive ideology because it, you know You get this heady rush of outrage, you know of righteous indignation And uh, you know, you can stand up in a room and and quiet the entire room by starting to tell your story of sexual abuse or You know mistreatment as a woman and and so that's a it's a great thing You don't have to know very much about history You know the line you always can take and it's always going to be successful Most men are going to back down immediately. So it's an incredible rush of power And that's to the probably woman or wonderful effect kind of thing Exactly, you know, most men do not want to oppose women Men are taught from, you know, very early age They want to please women and that to be shamed by women is a terrible thing most men. That's the last thing they want So most men are more than willing to support feminist claims and anyway, so, you know, I went through all that But then as soon as I started teaching this as soon as I had a real job If you can call working in academia a real job, but uh, you know, I Need to belong to Canada too, right? You're born in Canada. Yeah Yeah, I was started off in Vancouver and then I got my first job at the University of Saskatchewan And in Saskatoon that I eventually went to the University of Ottawa And but you know just from the moment I started teaching I could just see it wasn't all Lies The men in my classes were not oppressors of women They and they were not privileged in any way. It was not an advantage to them to be male the opposite I could see it. They had to sit there and be shamed practically every day Everything was taught from a feminist perspective. Everything was taught in a way to see how women are good If we just gave women more power, there'd be no more war Everything would be set on a more egalitarian basis people would cooperate together because we all know women cooperate so well, don't they We know women Women, you know and and the idea, you know that that that men are responsible for all the bad things in the world for None of the good things none of the wonderful aspects of civilization None of the you know fact that we've got to the point now where we can live in such relative incredible peace and Not only the technology and the peace and prosperity, but we used to live in the dirt Like men and women working together, but especially men and their creativity and the things that we built We pulled ourselves out of the dirt from being animals to what we have now incredible Yeah, and and shared it with women often, you know created labor saving devices for the home Precisely to liberate women from what was then a significant amount of drudgery that involved in looking after a house now You know look at what we've got. It's incredible. And yet for that Men are to be blamed and you know excoriated and shamed and you know And I could see also from teaching that I mean and and most men didn't resent that they were it seemed to me men were Kind of just puzzled here. They were 19 20 year old, you know 21 year old guys. They had no They had nothing to apologize for Really? Yeah, I'm an oppressor. What did I do? Well, okay, whatever I did. I won't you know, whatever my ancestors did I mean, it's ridiculous that that that we should think that some sort of collective blame Is the way to adjust future, but these guys are like, okay. Well, whatever my ancestors did I won't do it I'm not interested in doing it. I you know, I I I'm interested in most the young men were interested in meeting a nice girl and Eventually settling down and having kids and you know having a good life. They didn't want to oppress women And uh, yeah, and I could see the feminist, you know nonsense theory that is the oppression I find a quote yesterday actually I really it was a list of like, you know Some of the most radical feminist quotes from from very popular feminists not like, you know The random loony tune on the street but professors and historians and one of them actually said was I discussed on the interview with Piers Morgan one of them discussed that they want to abolish the nuclear family They want to destroy it, but another one actually called marriage slavery for women Yeah, whatever. Yeah, it's just absurd. Is this ridiculous absurd nonsense? Yeah Yeah, it's it's utterly absurd and I mean the yeah the idea of abolishing the family that goes way back to early feminist Kate Millett in the late 1960s In her sexual politics and Yeah, that so that that's pretty standard And and it hasn't let up even as men have, you know, willingly Opened up all sorts of what were once male only spheres of endeavor, you know, we now have legislation to say that You know, we have to have a woman on every corporate board that's legislation in california I mean that's coming in now all across the country Which is ludicrous, you know, get me a woman the board's gonna be a better board Our company's gonna be more prosperous if we just have a woman on there Let's pause on that. I mean if we did that, I mean if we did that in reverse It would be it would be screamed out immediately if we demanded that a man was on every board of a feminist organization Yeah, you know, it's planned parent or anything else But to me that just screams or the rampant like one of my positions of feminism my baseline You know basic premises that I follow as a feminism is extremely hateful and supremacist It's hateful against men and boys and fathers anything male basically And then it's supremacism for women So when I see that board thing in Mandating that a woman is on a corporate board in california That's just like the most extreme not the most extreme but pretty pretty high up there I think yeah, it's really shocking Yeah, and you know, you see that in in every sphere of society and with so little pushback By reasonable people, you know, you hear over and over again that feminists are just a minority Of the public and yet most people go along with that radical minority And you know, and I feel I feel conflicted about it and that you know, often people will say well, you know, you're you're you're verging into a sort of Anti-woman position Janice, you know, that's that is what my detractors will say and I will often examine myself You know, because I don't think I'm anti-woman. I I know I um Well, I I don't think I am and yet I have to admit that I am angry That the majority of women Are pretty happy to accept The current situation. I mean a lot of them just aren't even aware of it. You know, they're they're raising their kids They're doing their jobs and and like many men. They don't even know what's going on They don't have time to worry about that stuff. They're they're living their lives So I don't blame those people But often I find that when I do give talks to groups of people about and you know, and I have a kind of standard talk where I speak about the disadvantages that boys and young men face in in school and the workplace and criminal courts, you know, all those things And often there's a woman who will stand up and and say i'm not a feminist but And there's this and often it will then be a story of something that happened to her You know in 1984 or whatever So, you know a guy put his hand on on her knee in the workplace and said, you know said, what are you doing here honey? You should be home raising kids or something, you know, some relatively minor thing often And she's held on to that and has carried this sense of grievance has carried this sense of that as a woman She's owed something and part of what she's owed it seems is that she doesn't have to care very much about boys and men And I don't know what to say to that when I encounter that it's like don't tell me about What's happening now for boys and men? Let me tell you about myself and my sense of the anger that I've carried around I find that that's Relatively common actually and I find that really sad and you know guys in in the men's movement talk about the empathy gap And I do think that that's a real problem in our society that we should be Highlighting and struggling against every day that in general men Don't care that much for their fellow men men tend to be more concerned about women's issues If a woman cries for help, you know 10 men will jump up and run to her assistance The man cries for help you know a lot of people look away and and that includes women too and That's the thing that that is quite dispiriting about our present moment I agree with you 100 you you put this really well I have a question that I think you'll I'd love to hear your answer is So recently we were attacked by the make them a great again conference, you know 22 convention and me and many of the speakers We were attacked by a big youtuber comedian this young kid on youtube Curtis Conner I feel like two million followers and put a video out And it looks like most of his audience of two million followers is like young women Like like you know 18 19 20 years old like pretty young From what i'm gathering and they're all over our channel. They've been bashing all over comments They're you know disliking everything And it's it's done on my instagram. They want me to die and all kinds of you know very nasty stuff Yeah But a lot of them they were very shocked and so is the comedian, you know, he couldn't believe He was in disbelief. I think genuinely that I was so vehemently opposed to feminism And he was going through the page and some of my videos and stuff But obviously his fans were too. They were like, I can't believe that anthony is compared, you know feminism to all these nasty movements Rightly so So what would you say to the 19 year old girl today in america or canada? Who has who like he mentioned sincerely she actually believes the feminist lie she's been fed And as a result whether she realizes it or not she has animosity to men And she's genuinely confused as to why you know a millennial man like myself at 31 Is fiercely opposed to feminism and is you know trying to lead a fight against it culturally So what would you say to young girls today that are you know american or canadian for example that believe that? well I guess I would say that She's been lied to And she's been lied to in a way that is damaging Not only for the you know possibilities of Good feeling between men and women in general But as is actually damaging to her own mental health and And and moral Well-being I think because I think what is happening. I mean maybe Anyway, I'll go ahead with this I really think that feminism ultimately damages women Morally in the sense that it dries up their their capacity for human feeling It replaces Ordinary Empathy and you know compassion As well as humility and loving-kindness and you know sort of all the virtues It replaces them with this sense of fake Outrage and and this conviction of moral superiority that isn't grounded in anything real at all And so I think it actually does Really? Fundamentally damage women deep in their humanity It also of course prevents women from from becoming fully adult and taking full responsibility for themselves and and for their own actions because feminism offers us get out of jail free card Anything that you're dissatisfied with in your life as a woman whether it's that you you know You have a big bum that you're not happy with or or you don't have the job that you thought you deserved or whatever It can all be laid at the feet of evil men You mentioned something here, too That is really interesting you mentioned not being an adult and I don't know if you're aware of this You probably are but In recent years at least that I've seen it There's been the hashtag and this this meme of adulting And mostly it's women that promote this on instagram and social media and even real life They'll kind of comment about this But I really think that you know based on what you just said especially brings it to mind that feminism has infant infantilized That's right saying of it woman And that and that's why they actually have come up with the meme of adulting like this It's like they're you know making into a into a verb like they're this action. It's really bizarre Yeah, well, it I don't even actually know about that meme. I'm not I'm not Yeah, I don't do much on on social media really but uh Yeah, I mean infantilizing is a nice way of putting it actually in a way because we do not We do not give infants the level of power that we have given women in our society while at the same time Denying them The you know agency to take responsibility for their lives So, you know, we have we have given women the power to destroy men Through false accusations. Oh, yeah, particularly, you know, that's uh, I don't it's a it's a horrific problem I have a great Um, I have a book that I don't know if you've heard of it It's actually by a clinical psychologist as I understand it PsyD And the book is by angela I don't know Sarah last name but angela And the book is called how to destroy a man. Let me see but how to destroy a man. Um, That's the whole book and how did I mean the title? Judge a book by discovering this case Well, it's uh that I love that book I would recommend that everybody get a copy of that book I'm uh 99.9. Well, I actually 100 convinced that that is a satirical expose Of the me too movement Um, what a friend of mine actually figured out There he thinks he figured out who the actual author is Um, and it was clear that if this person is really the author he couldn't possibly Go public with his identity because he's involved in all sorts of charitable organizations and That would be all threatened by the fact that he wrote this book which shows exactly how Based on nothing at all Within about a 24 to 48 hour period A savvy You know communicator can destroy a man's life simply by spreading false allegations all across the internet And it will be picked up by media They will quote one another The you know level of the the number of stories related to the person will seem to multiply The idea that well, you know, there couldn't be all of these accusations without some of it being based in truth Is the response that people have and within a very short time that person that man That couldn't possibly happen to a woman that man will find himself in danger of losing his job And his entire reputation and everything he's built throughout his his life And that this can be done in a very short time on a basis of nothing other than stories spread throughout the internet That to me sums up the ridiculous predicament that we've got to In north america With false accusations. It's yeah, it's a pretty terrifying thing And I know many men who have done nothing wrong have been charged with nothing criminal And yet simply through women, uh, creating websites claiming that this man was an abuser You know or circulating stories about how this particular man made them feel uncomfortable That's the famous, you know, the or the favored women's complaint because he's creepy in some way Objectives you can't even fight it. How do you just prove something that they felt personally? You can't exactly yeah The as soon as the accusations start and very few people will step forward to stand up for accused men Usually everybody just steps right back and they they hope they just hope it won't happen to them And that guy's life is destroyed. I I know of you know, there's a whole whisper network In academia where men are prevented from being interviewed for jobs or or being given, you know Fellowships because there's a whisper network about how this is a man that makes women feel uncomfortable with there's There's been an allegation made against this man. He's he's dangerous in some way Any man that women want taken out of a particular work environment That's all they have to do is say he makes them feel uncomfortable. He makes the workplace unsafe And I think that's why the feminists they've really been trying to come after the convention They have been hounding us to find the venue to call it harass it get them to cancel us. Yeah They've obviously been trying to get me banned from different platforms But I think what's really frustrating for the opposition to the 22 convention make women great again And what i'm doing with it and the speakers Is that i've been an entrepreneur my entire life since i was 17 So it's possible to get me to be platformed and I hope that doesn't happen We don't want that to happen But in terms of getting me fired from my job, they can't do it. I don't have a boss Yeah, and I have no history of having a boss either. I've been an entrepreneur since I was a kid Yeah, I think I think it's very um Unfortunate to be in that position and i'm like glad i'm putting it on But I know that if I did have a job, yeah, I would have lost it immediately with something like this Like you mentioned earlier of the shame that they're trying to or that men don't want to oppose women And I don't oppose women unless they hate men and they want to be you know Support female supremacism. Yeah, which this had as a total rebuke of Yeah, yeah, no, I mean it's yeah, it's like and what I mean, I have to admire them in a sense Not in a positive way really, but you know that they're single-minded Determination to destroy anyone any man in particular who descents from the feminist narrative Like who cares like you know my There are all sorts of things that feminists put on every single day You could find 10 events that are promoting a feminist perspective and an explicitly anti male perspective And you know, I'm sorry that they're going on and but you know I wouldn't think that it was my personal right to shut it down But they are so convinced of their own righteousness that they believe it is their right to shut you down and you know I've experienced the same thing nearly every talk I've ever given in a university context has been either protested vociferously or actually shut down And I used to be involved with a wonderful organization called the Canadian Association for Equality Which advocates for the issues of men and boys And we tried to put on you know all sorts of events that for the first two years that we were trying to put them on Would almost inevitably be We would just get started and somebody would pull a fire alarm Or they would prevent people from going into the venue by forming a human chain around the doors Or they were standing outside screaming or they would come in with you know hidden like instruments drums and and Horns and things which they would start beating on as soon as the speakers started, you know Just incredible juvenile tactics, but they were they were determined and and they were often successful We couldn't go on and we know we would call security security wouldn't do anything about it You know and just this this vehement refusal to allow another point of view That's wow. I mean the the sense of election that they have to determine who is going to be allowed To hold an event or express an opinion They they have no doubt about their righteousness in doing that even though their behavior is just absolutely And they would themselves be outraged if people were if you were doing that to them You know and you would be portrayed as this really horrible man if you were trying to shut down one of their events On this point. I think that I get your admiration for it Even though it's very negative and toxic because I think that's it's the reason they've actually been winning for so long Yeah, they were so vehemently determined and they're so uh Like there's actually a question we'll get into in a minute, but uh, you know Phosphorine ran used to say that the most determined wins Or something along those lines and that's they've been very very determined and they believe very deeply in what they're doing in a lot of cases Yeah, they took over academia. Um because of that, you know in the 1980s Deania was essentially taken over by feminist and social justice warrior types and The old school the sort of liberals the liberal humanists Said well, I believe in a plurality of views. You know and and this person I don't believe this person's Dogma, but I think she should be allowed to Promote her ideas. I'm I'm interested in having arguments about ideas. That's what academia should be about So they were invited in they were welcomed in and then they took over and then they don't believe in a plurality of views They don't believe in having arguments. They believe in de-platforming and censoring and destroying people and Uh-oh looks like we lost Janice. Oh, no Hmm Well boys, let me uh, I'm assuming I'm still online. I will check on the web. But everything looks fine on my end Uh, so I'll check in with Janice in a minute by phone. See if we can get her back on in the meantime I'll pull up a super chat from Christopher Baker. Thank you for the five dollar super chat While we wait on the return of Janice I'm actually checking my internet here too. Hey, hi Anthony. I I lost you there for um for a minute Yep, I don't know if it was me or you but we're back online. That's okay. Good. All right So anyway, well the feminist shut me down But so I think I was just ending up saying that, you know, they don't believe in plurality. They don't believe in debate whatsoever Yeah, I want to get into actually politics and free speech in a minute But we do have a super chat here. This guy donated five bucks I wanted to get into it and I had some thoughts on it too and like to get your thoughts on it So Christopher Baker dropped five bucks. Uh super chat. Thank you very much He said amber heard that was Johnny Depp's uh boyfriend Or girlfriend all that Is a big uh, it looks like you meant to say a big fan of vine ran many women who like rand are narcissistic dishonest and passive aggressive Any experience with them anthony? So he dressed it to me so I'll hit this first and then if you hop in on it, I appreciate that So I am actually a huge fan of vine rent. Um, she's my favorite novelist and philosopher awesome And I do there are some modern women and feminists who like rand But I think they actually well first of all, I ran hated feminism Uh, she was very she was very open about this. She went on um Was it phil donahue in the 1960s or 70s talking about this? She had written about feminism. She thought it was a completely uh, nonsensical movement Uh, they were basically moochers as she called them and they were looking for government Just like we see today most extremely government privileges and benefits Including at the expense of men and she saw their hatred of men and their hatred of entrepreneurs and things like that. Yeah So the the young girls today who who say they like rand They probably don't They probably they probably are attracted to some of the strong personality types that she wrote about That i've seen but that is not first of all her philosophy of objectivism And second of all, she would scold them if she was alive today at how disgusting they behave towards men and fathers and entrepreneurs and businessmen so I'm not I don't agree with the the I appreciate the question but I don't agree with the premise of it Amber heard, you know beating up her boyfriend and then lying about it and almost Yeah, I mean this is like super This is so out of line with objectivism. I ran's life work basically her philosophy I mean, it's just ridiculous. So I ran today would hate feminism with a passion even more Yeah, and you know any woman who's who would be claiming to like her and then do this kind of stuff or promote feminism She would be like she would want nothing to do with it Uh from any from any perspective you want to you want to discuss culturally socially politically philosophically That's my take on it. That's my I agree absolutely. I mean she hated collectivist Ideology she saw them as the the ruination of any kind of productive free society And uh, so amber herds promotion of you know herself Has an advocate for for victims of domestic violence while herself being violent and not even being able to recognize her own violence It seems I would strike rand as as you know, just utterly ridiculous and Contemptible. So yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know that there was a subset of Of feminist women Interested in rand. That's that's very interesting. Yeah, they like daggy No, I think daggy tagger, you know from that was shrug things like that A lot of them I think are not even that familiar with iron rams They just see her as some figure that they want to latch on to for some reason And they there's there's no way that there's no way you can do a thorough reading of objectivism and then come out a feminist There's a few that do and it's it's bizarre like they're they're just dumb Like there's you have to completely misunderstand her work to get to that conclusion And yeah, feminism is collectivism in a nutshell You know for women and and you know sexism and stuff with men as the slaves of women Doing the hard work But not in any of the positions of power Yep. Yeah in the man's sphere and our wing of the man's sphere So to speak we call it that we say that feminists want men to have all the responsibility and none of the authority Basically, they're there's cultural social slaves and it's horrible. Yeah, I have some of the questions I want to get into here though Um before we get into we have actually more chat ones too if you get into but these are some of my own So Let me see where he answered some of these How do you think feminism has affected dating today for young people? Uh just from your perspective or from like what your your thoughts on that are Yeah, well, I mean, I I I can only guess really. I mean, this isn't my my my sphere of of expertise by any means But I can imagine that I mean it it it I think it it fundamentally Misinforms both young women and young men about the relation between the sexes And so it sets women up to be suspicious of men And uh and to be very willing I think to misinterpret their whatever experiences they have as some form of abuse And it must make men feel extremely vulnerable to false accusations and um And to be very very unsure and I think that's part of what feminism is designed to do To make men feel unsure about whether anything That they do with a woman is acceptable or not since one of the Points that feminism makes is that everything can be interpreted as Some kind of violence Even language of course, but any action of a man even looking at a woman Can be in a certain way, you know can be interpreted as sexual violence any kind of touch Even a hug can be I don't know if you're aware of this, but a lot of feminists are not pushing to change the idea This is really disturbing too, but trying to change the idea of consent Uh, you know sexually between men and women to enthusiastic consent Yeah, so now now it's gone from something that is more objective and observable to this extremely subjective enthusiastic thing Which is just ridiculous and you how you're even going to define that improve that ever It could never yeah, it could never work in practice. So only a feminist could come up with a an idea of The whole sexual relationship between men and women that is absolutely Unworkable and and has never been achieved by any actual living couple You know, we're all therefore Every single woman who is alive today is a victim of sexual violence according to the feminists and every man A rapist You know, it's just so yeah, it's so ridiculous and it means that abuse can be Defined retroactively depending on how the woman feels the day after or the year after I don't know if you've been following the Harvey Weinstein trial, but Um The the expert forensic psychiatrist who's been brought on to explain rape myths to the jury is is basically Recycling feminist cliches about how no matter what a woman Says or does to a man with a man She that may just be her way of dealing with sexual assault So even if she presents Even if she pursues a relationship with a man following an alleged, you know Following some sort of encounter Even if she writes him loving emails saying I can't wait to see you again Wow, none of that Is evidence of her consent that can simply be interpreted as evidence of her attempt as a rape victim To normalize what happened to her and to deal with the trauma of what happened So under the feminist theory of rape trauma Any behavior by a woman can be interpreted as evidence that she is actually a rape victim Trying to deal with her horrific abuse So all ordinary standards of how people behave and again the ordinary standards of female responsibility for making decisions about themselves All that is is is wiped away and the only thing that matters is what the woman says now about whether she You know wanted to consent or not even if she actually did it's It's just crazy and you know, I and you can read all sorts of Yeah, it is a reliant you read all sorts of feminist articles that say in a world of massive power Inbalances between men and women. No woman can really meaningfully consent So even if she technically consents that can be reinterpreted as non consent Even if she enthusiastically consents, you know every five minutes Even if she signs some sort of declaration declaration saying she consents it can all be done away with so Yeah, we're in a world where feminists want to rewrite every single rule of courtship and Life together in a way that Entirely disempowers the mass seems like they want to they want to take over and dominate all of culture all of society everything They absolutely do they absolutely do and what they want to do I think and what they are doing is making it impossible for there to be a real relationship of trust Between men and women and a number of men have said this to me that it what and I think it's a great metaphor It's like every man if he knows it all what's going on Even if he doesn't follow everything but any man who is aware knows that every woman Even if it's a very loving relationship Every woman has a loaded gun in her bedside table and she can use that gun with impunity She can make a charge against him and she will be believed And his life can be destroyed and he does of course men can be violent You know, we're not Denying that disputing that fact But a man cannot do that to a woman with impunity She can do it and have all the organizations of society behind her exactly as amber her did To johnny depp and he lost all sorts of movie roles. He was disgraced. He was hated Nobody or very few people stood up for him and said hold on Let's wait and see the evidence for her claims And it's unlikely she'll face any series your repercussions for this possible very unlikely very unlikely because we simply you know We like as you said before the women are wonderful effect We cannot really believe in women's capacity For for evil or just you know for for misconduct of various sorts We we can't believe that women can lie. We can't believe that women can be manipulative and and can abuse power And we're all too willing to believe that men do and and you know often do so Yeah, it's given me given me what we just discussed here the past few minutes The Orwellian nature of this and how extensive it is and how severe it is Uh, do you think that the west america, canada, the uk, australia and beyond Do you think these nations can survive through the end of the century with feminism as it stands and as it's progressing? No, I don't I really I I I do worry that we're in the end stages This is a kind of product of cultural decadence that when things become just too good That this is one of the manifestations of that kind of decadence and unless we start saying no to it now Unless men and women can join together and really begin to oppose this kind of thing and I don't see any evidence I'm sorry to say I don't see any evidence that that's happening in a big way often I'll see on the internet people I also yeah, and that's why I say I say, you know all power To people standing up and saying no and and it will only come I mean women need to do it women need to I I think we should have a march every year Of women and men but women especially saying not in my name I think that would be incredibly powerful The the women against feminism march Because if women do really care for their brothers and their you know husbands partners dads uncles sons nephews They have to start realizing that this is going to destroy everything. It can't go on I mean, I'm surprised actually that it has gone on and that meant most men Even men who are really clued in and are disgusted with feminism Are still sort of generally willing to put their hard work into you know building businesses and you know creating medical technology And doing all the things that men do and still you know saving the women You know when the gunman walks into the nightclub the guys still pile on to their Girlfriends and their friends out of that sort of selfless Heroic desire to protect women and they're still willing to in general live in a society that tells them every day That they're second-class citizens And that they can be destroyed and nobody will stand up for them if a false accusation is made And and most men are still willing to to do that, but it's not going to last forever. It just can't go on and Yeah, that's and I you know I I I fear that the pretty wonderful society That we all built here in the west Which not perfect, but is definitely the best in the world And the most open culture up until A few decades ago anyway the most free Is in the process of being destroyed and and may have reached the point at which it can't even be turned around But I hope i'm wrong about that and I and you know, and it's up to Your generation really men and women working together to to turn things around and To start building a you know a totally different kind of relationship between men and women Yeah, and that's something I've thought a lot about as i'm still very young i'm 31 as a millennial And feminism is not something that I built or contributed to it something I was born into In terms of it dominating all of american life and you know western life And I wasn't even really aware of that until you know my 20s. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's disturbing Yeah, but I do agree with you that it's that it's all my generation and younger to turn it around and put an end to it And that's my mission. I love that it actually appears more than put it. He actually I usually say destroy feminism or destroy the feminist establishment Because I do view it as an establishment. It's the ultimate cultural establishment well beyond politics and political ideologies But he actually put it as abolished feminism And I like that a lot. I was like, yeah, he hit the nail in the head And I think he secretly is actually very anti-feminist, but he was For different reasons. He was playing devil's advocate and asked and kind of you know goofing around with us Part of this rating Yeah, probably. Yeah, I think so too. Um, you know, he has to say well It just shows the power of feminism that he has to claim to be a enthusiastic Advocate for feminism and to tell us how it's all about equality Even while he you know, is it able then he hopes to express a lot of reservations and and well What was amazing about it? I've been thinking about it is that by calling, you know, what we're doing abolishing feminism And he basically framed me and you both and what we're doing as an abolitionist movement And that is really that's genius. Like I I wish I thought of that sooner and I didn't And so now I'm thinking myself lately as an abolitionist to abolish feminism. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's I think it's fantastic. Let's all be abolitionists Yeah Yeah, I agree. I think it's a great great thing and you know, my friend steve who produces my videos He he his home. Yeah, steve brulee his hope is that You know at some point in the not too distant future We will look back with incredulity at this movement and we'll see it with all of the other horrific hateful destructive totalitarian ideologies that Well, yeah that that that we now reject Like communism and fascism. I've compared feminism to the kkk just in terms of uh, Just on the very basic premise of hate and supremacism It's very very hateful and very uh supremacist in nature Well, like you mentioned too your surprise that men continue It almost sounds like you were speaking to like the ideas about the shrug Men shrugging off society because they're treated so badly at this point. Yeah. Yeah, I know I often think of that I wish there could be a general strike of men I wish that all of the and there's a wonderful essay by the way if anybody Hasn't read it by a woman who called herself janet bloomfield. That was a pen name. Have you ever heard that? That name she she used to be involved with a voice for men I don't know what's happened to her over the last couple years. I think her husband might be ill And so she decided to you know devote herself to to him and and her family But she used to write fantastic anti-feminist essays and she has one called pray Men never take a day off And so she goes through she looks at us bureau of labor statistics About the jobs that are like 99 percent or at least 95 percent male And you know men and things like that everything, you know the entire electrical grid You know to everything all of the underpinnings of You know a functioning society are male dominated it is men doing all those jobs And so she actually imagines a day in which there is a kind of general strike of men and how everything would stop Within a few hours and what that would mean for the attempt to continue with our ordinary lives And it would be impossible and you know, I really wish I I unfortunately I don't think it's very likely because I think men's sense of duty Is so strong their dedication to work their pride in doing their work men wouldn't want to shut down Their cities and to cause all the havoc, but at a base level, too There's no organized movement to push men to hate women. No Men never work went men in general love women and men in general take pride in their roles as creators and protect protectors and providers And so, you know, I just I can't imagine it wouldn't work It wouldn't fly there could never be such a movement Which right away again shows the fundamental lie of feminism But but somehow it seems that there is something in women That can be galvanized to weaponized Yeah, to hate to hate men unfortunately or at least to go along with the idea that that women are owed something Well, I would say that they've been they've been very not just successful with some exceptions like the election of Donald Trump I think feminists would have lost on that one. Yeah, they were happy to see that Yeah, they weren't successful in in demonizing him and rallying opposition to him a lot of women voted for Trump Yep, but uh feminists are very they're very clever and they're very sneaky and about they've gone about things Just like you mentioned with academia, you know them infiltrating that through this plurity of opinions and things like that And when they are the ones who actually very fiercely opposed to you know, uh, Honest debate and reason debate and things like that different views like all totalitarians, you know They don't they've never believed in actually debating once they're in any kind of position of power If I had to guess what's coming to mind, especially from an iran perspective Is that feminism is the is the most aggressive and dominant form of collectivism we've seen Because it's gender-based. It's not racial-based. It's not national-based nothing like that Uh, even not even so much ideology is it's it's based on the promotion The hatred of half of the human race and the supremacism for the other half of the human race And that's what I've called feminism the ultimate hate and supremacist movement because it's the scale of it is so massive It's actually it's affecting billions of people in ways that not everyone's aware of much more so than any religious ideology political ideology Anything like that. I mean communism is you know horrifying and that it killed, you know hundreds of millions of people But look at it look at an issue like abortion just in america feminists have taken ownership of abortion And if you look at that honestly and many pro-lifers would say that is that feminists have killed 45 million american babies Yeah, many would can that many of them called a genocide or infancy. I guess you call that in that case Yeah, yeah, no one talks about it. Yeah, it doesn't even get talked about that's the incredible power Of that movement that it can simply shut down conversations and most people don't even think about that fact Yeah, the number of babies dead and yeah, it's uh It is and it you know, and it's it's the probably the only movement In which those who are designated as the enemy and who are having their rights taken away from them sometimes to you know And almost as you said or welly and kind of degree Are also sometimes those who can be recruited to fully support the movement that so few men Can can see and are willing to object to what it is doing to men Yeah, yeah, I've been attacked almost by as many men as I have women in promoting making often Yeah, I mean I I actually find that some of my most vicious critics who say this night is most horrible things Are men? Yeah, quite something. Yeah, they've been they've been roped into it. We call them vishi males like the vishi french Yeah, the vishi males. Yeah Yeah, um, I want we have a lot of chat going on actually, but there's some The end is pretty soon. Oh, keep going. Everyone's loving it. You're doing I love it. You're great I think you're way too hard on yourself and you're wonderful in interviews and things like this No, I always wilt near the end. I I should get pretty soon I have some articles Okay, let me uh, we'll get through this Well, that's it. Here's what I wanted to get So recently, uh, you know, this is forbes.com. I think everybody can see this, right? A wrong one. It's pretty small for me, but Yeah, hang on a sec. That's the wrong one. That's the uh I'll pull this like it seems to dana walters. Why can't we hate men? Yeah, yeah, yeah one second. I'll pull up the uh, correct one here Yeah, so yes So obviously we have Nancy, uh, you know, Nancy Pelosi here get through this stupid ad So forbes.com everyone, you know, most people saw this at this point state of the union speech Speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi tears up the actual speech itself uh after it was given And there's other evidence too. She actually pre-tour it. There's like film of it or doing that and stuff. Yeah Yeah, I saw that Yeah, and you tweeted about this and you called it very petulant and then juvenile. I grew up at 100 I was astounded not only the tearing up but her behavior threw out this speech You know I that I um, you know, she couldn't she could barely contain herself And she often did not contain her fury her rage her contempt for him You know her her mouth was working away all of the time She was speaking to an imaginary friend at one point. Um, you know, she she smiled she she shook her head She she couldn't control her body Throughout that speech and it did seem to me it was Yeah, and and that is isn't that interesting the response could be seen as sexist So in other words people pointing out that her behavior was utterly inappropriate That that's sexist pointing out that it's typical Female behavior That barely contained or not contained rage and that is the the worrisome thing is the way in which emotion excess emotion Excess anger are now being seen as forms of feminist empowerment They're they're acceptable. They're they're supposed to denote some kind of authenticity But they're the end of politics politics is supposed to be about The art of the possible it's supposed to be about reasoned debate not about excess emotion And so, yeah, that that was a typical typically female kind of behavior I cannot imagine A senior male politician behaving in that way and being able to get away with it So it is not sexist to call it out That's what I wanted to ask here is specifically that there's a few issues like this. This is the most recent one That's I think very obvious So this article happens to be posing it in a sexist gender issue But most cases I think people didn't do that. They don't see that In this case, it's, you know, ridiculous how she's how she's pinning the responses, but Like for example, and Kathy Griffin chopped off Donald Trump's head or a replica of it Most people I think interpreted that as a political issue, you know, obviously he's a controversial president Democrat republican left right all this stuff And I think most people outside of our community outside of the manosphere They didn't view it as a gendered feminist issue and they should have and I think in this case too Like you're saying her behavior is ridiculous So my question is how does feminism relate to allowing Nancy Pelosi to get away with behavior like this Where no man could do that if you know, Mike Pence did that if he was in her position, he would be screamed at Yeah, and he wouldn't do it, you know that that's the thing like he wouldn't because it would look Ridiculous and rightly so and people would be embarrassed to see a male politician act in that way They'd be embarrassed for him. He would lose all of his authority. So that's the thing about feminism Uh and gynocentrism in general is that it enables women to get away with this kind of behavior Because women admire women who do that and many men excuse women who do that And yet and then if there's any blowback at all Then the woman claims that she's been victimized by sexism So either way she wins in a curious kind of way Even though she has just shown herself Incapable of the sort of decorum and self restraint that one would respect one would expect of a responsible Respectable politician. It's it's amazing. I thought this was another really good example too. This is from I think the Brett Kavanaugh period Back in 2018. This is a senator actually from Hawaii female senator. I don't think she's still a senator And she actually told me that men need to shut up Like she actually got up and there's a video of her. She says explicitly And can you imagine if like rand paul or ted cruiser some senator got up and said Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, so so this is the reality of feminism as it manifests itself in politics Is that women can get away with behavior that would never be tolerated by men? Yeah Why I don't understand show themselves incapable of the kind of decency That we expect of politicians even while they pretend to be champions of justice Yeah Then they claim victimhood like I was saying earlier. They've been very sneaky and clever and I really think of feminism We call it, you know, people say lies in the manosphere. It's more than that It's actually like a form of cultural fraud and con artistry I mean, they're they're really good at drumming up all this gaslighting and this this nonsense That is it's hard for men to even or people to understand I think one of the reasons too is like there's multiple layers to it Like we're looking at this and we see feminism influencing senators and congresswoman and speakers of the house But most people are not going to take the time I think for whatever reason to See through the political Positions see through the political parties and get to the gendered feminist issues where they promote this stuff Yeah, I mean, I think it comes back to what we started with in a way is Guino centrism both men and women's tendency to empathize with women And to also to believe what we said at the beginning of the program That the whole history of humanity is the history of women being repressed So therefore when they see a woman saying to men shut up They don't see that as completely unacceptable sexist behavior that they see that as some sort of empowerment Well, that's because women have been kept down for all of these years and she's just reacting against that We need to support her in that. Yeah, there's rationalizing the rationalizing hatred and sexism. Yeah, it's nice Yeah, so both on the rational level and on that deeper level that level of men's Liking for women and women's tendency in group preference bias towards women All of that comes into play and it gives women an advantage in these kinds of situations even while they get to claim Disadvantage, I thought this was a really fun one too. You had mentioned I think before we went on the pierce morgan interview The article in the uh, the washington post. I think it was why can't we hate men This one actually in the a lannick one upset because she's responding to that article What one professor's case for hating men missed So she actually takes the next level but the a lannick article or the uh, the washington post article in general I was looking at the other day and it's just, you know, very simply. Why can't we hate men? And it's like the answer is because that that's rampant sexism It's because you hate it's because you hate someone for the way they were born like hello Yeah, because it's the most disgusting position one could ever find and yeah, and she goes through this is a professor I mean if this were just a whack job on the street Well, perhaps one could simply dismiss it. This is a professor of sociology at northeastern college And the article is so simplistic. I'm not not this one. I can't remember this one actually now with The response, but i'm talking about the susanna walters one in as you say in the washington It's so badly written every single sentence in it can be shown to be simply untrue and inaccurate And yet that's what supposedly one of the brightest minds In academia has to offer in justification of feminist ideology You know, and she was never you know, imagine a man writing something Why can't we hate women because they're horrible people? He'd be dismissed immediately from his position and rightly so But you know, she wasn't and in fact she went on to write an article about all the hate mail That she received you know for me Here's one of the final questions I have I've considered myself and declared myself president of the man's sphere Too much controversy, you know, whatever But what do you think would have this is kathy griffin obviously with uh happening delma trump's head off a replica of it And covering it in blood and she has this very, uh, I was looking at her face in this it's very, uh You're gonna see the anima be just the face here. It's just so ugly and so Glee Yeah, yeah So what do you think would happen if I kept put my hat on and chopped off a replica of michelle obama's head and covered it in blood It took photos of it just for the people watching like what do you think would happen to me? It would be the end of your career as president of the man's sphere. That's for sure Yeah, I mean, you know the double standards are unavoidable and uh, and and, uh, Unfortunately, uh, it's the reason why men who advocate for men and against feminism Have to be pretty careful About the kinds of things that they say because you know a couple Gests or or uh comments made will live on forever and be forever used against you And uh, you know, you won't be given the benefit of the doubt No matter how often you protest the actually you love women and you want to create a future Where men and women work together to to build a wonderful society and raise children and you know Flourish, uh people won't believe you. So yeah, it's um, It's a pretty crazy thing, but I I wish you all the best with your conference I hope it's wonderful and I do think there are women who are tired of the grievance industry that feminism has created And who know that men are not the enemy and are really interested in a different kind of life together and that They're my only hope really them the the men and women of of the coming generations Yeah, they've been reaching out to me too. I've actually I call them dream girls a hashtag at dream girls That's great. That's lovely one of them. Yeah, it's because you support men and it's genuine and it's fierce You get you you have a you hate the hatred. I think that you see these promoting against men And it is very disgusting and disturbing And as he recognized it's threatening the future of your entire country Like I've talked about with one of our speakers, uh, ken curia a family of marriage therapists I don't see a future for any western nation with masculine women and feminine men Those kind of those kind of people don't get together and don't build families They don't the countries will collapse and for in one for one reason or another and that's really dangerous So that's like the end of the nation you live in or the collapse of it like the soviet union. Yeah Yeah Final question. Uh, what are your thoughts? I know you've been talking about it on and off throughout the show make women great again But just for a very clear statement. What are your thoughts on the conference itself make women great again? Let's just focus on What is your fundamental stance on the very? Uh, basic idea of make women great again. Is that a good thing? Is that a bad thing? Like, what do you think of that? for those watching I I I think it's I love the tongue and cheek title and um And I I like the challenge to women I I do think it's good for women to be challenged to be great That one is not great simply by being born female Which is the idea that many women have now and remember there was something I tweeted about it not too long ago A woman who said, uh, you know people ask, what do I bring to the table and I say I am the table and you know Oh, wow, how empowered No, actually if that's your attitude, you're bringing absolutely nothing Well, you're bringing worse than nothing. You're bringing this sense of entitlement to all the things that feminists claim about men you know, you're you're being incredibly arrogant and self-satisfied and I think we're all better We're we're better off when we aim to improve ourselves and we think what we can give To the other what we can offer what we can sacrifice even And unfortunately feminists feminism has made that notion of feminine virtue A kind of dirty word. Yep, but what women do need is they need to be virtuous again Yeah, make women virtuous again. I'm all I'm all about it and I love to you how you recognize I've seen from the very beginning even since before we started talking on the phone or on the interview just by email You seem to understand what I'm doing with the tongue-in-cheek nature of the sales page and the event and the slogans And what I'm doing and I think what you're what you've caught on to you faster than most is that I'm fighting fire with fire And I think that this has to be done. There's no other way to win And I think trump has done this in politics very effectively and that's honestly I'm learning a lot of this from But it's also been very effective, uh, socially non culturally We this this hat and this idea has reached almost 100 million people in the past, uh, five and a half weeks I mean that that surpasses almost my entire life's work Running the company in the convention, which is already very successful reaching men and fathers So I I do I know I can imagine your perspective in Canada and your age that it's distressing to see it is for me too at 31 But I do think that my generation can turn things around And gen Z as well can be brought into that I think a lot of the young women actually would be very They've been stalking our channel like I mentioned since that comedian went after us the video He put out has a million and a half views. They got a million views in a day, which is amazing But I think a lot of them are really gonna like what you've had to say in this interview And I'm happy that you came on the show and today for that They really need to see, you know Man's planning I say women love and they need to learn from men But they also need they need to learn from women too, and I think you're the woman's planer-in-chief I don't know what that but even if they don't like what I have to say I hope they'll uh They'll they'll you know, they don't have to come as far as I've come But I hope they will seriously re-examine Some of the lies of feminism and and and chart a different course for themselves That's my younger the younger the better I think so you're out how they've been manipulated and lied to the more the better life they're going to have the happier They're going to be in the better future. They're going to have yeah Okay, well, thanks Anthony. That was a great talk. Thanks for having me on your show Yeah, I hope to have yelling in the future and guys. Thanks for tuning in today episode 96 of the red man group Thanks for the super chats and the comments tuning in live to help the show Well, first of all put a link that janis is twitter and uh, you know things like that in the descriptions to check out follow on twitter Also, if you want to help the video and help the show and help uh, you know me and janis here for the show Hit the like button hit the comments, you know, leave a comment and then share it twitter facebook wherever you can It's going to help raise awareness for these issues and spread the message and spread the show Let's said thanks janis. I really appreciate your time And also your support again on the interview appears morgan. That was a big deal. I appreciate that Thanks a lot All right, I'm gonna hit the end