 So for our public information hearing you guys want to you know y'all know Jeff and Mark Do you know do you know all of us? if Jamie and Jordan and And Ann Tulan or post-nistress Cari Bradley our new town administrator and Rose knows knows everybody so Okay, would you guys any way you want to sit there you can come up whatever you like Public hearing to review the Vermont Development Program the granted the family see it on behalf of the East Calus trust This is a summary You might have one for Donnie. Yeah, the sources and uses of the project Thanks, Jeff Okay, Mark was gonna start us off Simply thank you. I mean this project has a lot of mothers and fathers 2.7 million bucks 21 funding sources But first of all the town Very one of our very earliest grants came through the town The small grant but it was really important because it got us talent and we really need a talent to raise the money we're fundraising talent and then the Our largest no, yeah, our largest single grant with the Vermont Community Development Program and that came through you guys and so and we're done. I mean it's complete and It was 438,000 428,000 425,000 was a sub grant to the East Calus Union Trust and 3,000 was for the town's administrative costs. So anyway This is a formal hearing just because it's required by federal law that we report to the town as the sub grant And we are so thank you And to get input from the public as well So of the 3,000 that was Irmarked for the town's administrative costs. We spent 1989 on the town's attorney to review all the VCB documents And there's a thousand twenty dollars left Which can be held back and used towards the single audit Generally end up doing for the next fiscal year You know mark a reset at 21 sources of funds 2.7 million It was a complete gut rehab of the building We revitalized three apartments and reopened the general store brought the whole building up to code and Energy efficiency standards with air source heat pumps heat recovery ventilation I'll do an installation of the building We made the building ADA accessible for the store as well as one apartment. It's really accessible We abated asbestos and led the building like that as well and pull the underground tank out Oh, and it was a historic building and we utilize the store tax credits And all the requirements of the National Park Service, which was not an easy task it's Just imagine a building built in 1850 and that every single modern convenience you can think of who's done on the cheap and That's what that building was and so the if wall had to It was amazing to watch someone Tear apart an entire building while holding it up And that's what they did and they really did a good job and As he said, it's the only I think it's the only general store in Vermont. That's 100% fossil fuel free And so and as you saw many of you've seen it came out so Oh and the historic preservation money Comes through it comes with the regulatory involvement of the National Park Service and the National Park Service Historic preservation people are as Rigid as they come and we just received our final final sign off. I mean, we're done So In any rate, thank you to the town really really well congratulations. I mean, it's been how many years About four work. I guess that's amazing. You worry. That's all it took Well, it's like kids Anybody have any questions? I was just with the Did the apartments get some sort of backup? Something for our ongoing power outages, you know, the short answer is no We've looked at backup and we have bits that are just like forty thousand bucks. Is that the story? That's the store and common area. Yeah But and that's probably we'll go down when we know more about how much they really use Then we can get a better bid, but it's just a lot of money Right now the store is just using like your store There's the generator plugs extension cords It's obviously become a problem, isn't it? Oh, so you do it when you do have a generator in the store, then? Oh Just like It's GMP GMP has plans to harden their lines but under grounding them and they are real plans I wouldn't be surprised if the routine for the root 14 for it or Well, that was easy for you they just this little piece I mean Thank you. Yeah. Thank you another question Yeah, all right, and that's that's done. Yeah Yeah So mark, we've got a few minutes. Would you like to do a quick five-minute legislative up easy to do in five minutes? First of all, I have to say I expected to be interested I did not expect to have such a positive feeling at such a good time with the spectators. I did last session and it was it's frankly because There's just a lot of Well-meaning intelligent thoughtful a lot of young people a lot of people without crazy e-moods. It's great It's a good place for me. I feel At the end of the next session while I feel the same way who knows Last session was pretty amazing We cast a really good child care bill that puts Vermont from nowhere into the Really important because we need young people to move here I think there's a lot of pressure on young people from the fires in the West and Heat in the south to move here And yet if they can't find a place to live and they can't find child care It's a problem. We did do a lot for housing. It's much harder We didn't want a suicide prevention bill to be one of the highest suicide rates in the United States Some of it a lot of the young people because world access to guns It's like you know, we have we're we're the classic case and it just it involves don't you can't just go out by You have to have a way to period anyway This session I it's hard to predict. I have three bills that I am going to introduce I will mention two of them. I'll mention two of them They're both about flooding I Have a bill that transfers jurisdiction for regulation of the Marshfield dam and 21 other power-generating Dams away from the PUC which knows nothing about dam safety and a lot about power generation And the bill will transfer the dam safety part over to DC's division of dam safety because they're good and green is good So that bill is complicated Easy to write complicated to negotiate PUC DEC and now GMP on site the Marshfield dam. I'm concerned about the Marshfield dam because If anything were to happen God forbid if we were to have another rain like we did maybe even a little more because it could be more and They had to open the floodgates What we know is playing field what we know is Marshfield Village would be gone in two minutes And what we know is playing field would be gone in an hour at East Montpelier would be damaged It would be just a horrible disaster So I want I want a really good pair of eyes on that damn the second is what I've discovered is Right now dam owners are responsible as you know for putting together an emergency response plan Well, it's one thing we're dealing with a dam like Correspond which if God forbid it would flood out eight or nine houses or ten But if you're talking about Riceville or you're talking about The dam Marshfield dam They have to put together a plan and they have GMP has put together a plan. It's half-inch thick and it's not bad But no one reads it No one approves it. It just sits and gathers dust in some state offices and a copy is given to each of the towns What do they do with it? They don't have the resources So consequently Very basic issues. I mean, it doesn't take rocket science to think about these issues like How many people are gonna have to evacuate? Where are they and how do we get to them to evacuate them? Do we need helicopters? Boats Where do we take them? Where do we plan this given that our firehouses are underwater we can't be in our firehouse So where are we going to go to have the command center that has the one have telephones? Me questions like that are not being addressed by the division of environments it calls. What's the safety? No, public the public safety or emergency or on emergency response Management they're not addressing it. They admit they're not DEC isn't addressing it. So I put together a bill which says we're gonna have a summer study committee with all those people Including the regional planning commissioners on the study to figure out how can you do that kind of Implementation planning at web level. I think it's the RPCs. How much will it cost? Because I just you know, this isn't sexy stuff. No one wants to think about it, but I'm thinking about it That's it Thank you anybody want to ask Mark a question? You said there's two things that is two things. Oh the third is I had There's a problem we have which isn't very widespread, but when it happens It's pretty miserable where people come on to land and seal timber They still they log their rogue loggers They they they log more than they say they will and then they don't pay and there are judgments against them and fines And they just don't pay them and I have a bill which is Saying if you have fines that are unpaid that you need to post a bond with the AG and that if you log without the bond It's a crime So that's Logging on on private land, right? Yeah, and it's crime and you can actually confiscate your stuff problem is friend in other words current law just We don't enforce the law. You know if you have these guys get fines in other states. They go to jail Here the state turns it over to a collection agency the collection agency Sends it nasty letters and that's it They don't pay any attention, so I'm trying to ratchet up. I'm turning into a law and order person Anybody else Mark that the child care bill is that why we have an increase in our payroll tax. I Don't think it's effective yet. No, it's not effective, but we're there will be it's very it should be a very small Yeah, it's 0.44 percent. Yeah, but that's how you're funding it. Is that it's true? And what will it be used for? It's in right now. You have total market failure It costs too much and The people who work there don't earn enough So it will be used to increase the wages of the people who work there and increase the amount of money available So there'll be more of them opening more child care centers and Making sure that the people have them as a living wage and I actually work on the budget I'm in the budget committee and I work on getting more money to the state colleges to train child care workers So there's actually a career path and at the end of it is like you can earn enough to live That's the idea Okay, okay, thanks so much Thank you Does anybody know we've got a couple of things to do before public comment Minutes Everybody want to move minutes Both Yeah Discussion all in favor Okay, thank you board orders has everybody had a chance to look Oh, they're in your Okay, so you don't want to vote yet I never have any That's fine remind me to do this at the end, okay Barbara asked me to remind everybody and she's right that we have this Washington County budget planning meeting on December 15 If any of you would like to go it's at the Kellogg-Hubert library at 10 in the morning All right public comment Nick are you here to speak? Oh? Sure, okay, so I'm actually Also speaking on behalf of the emergency management team He has something else for emergency management team But this one is at the last emergency management meeting Nick asked that we be sure that all town officials Have a hard copy of the local emergency management plan for call us for 2023 Your power goes out or email goes out and so forth It is the first five pages of this document are on the town website It's a 12 page document the first five pages are there But not the last seven because they contain Confidential contact information for a whole lot of people in town, and we don't want that posted to the website So I have a hard copy for each of you here at the front table Please keep it handy in case your power goes out or your internet goes out and you need to make reference To the local emergency management plan And please don't distribute it or share it with others because of the confidentiality of the contact information Of the last seven pages Pass one down. There's one there for car and we'll go on That's for Donnie. It's okay. Is he gonna be here? Yes Okay Thank you, thanks Will that tell us what to do if there's a flood also I can Answer that in very briefly that if there is a bridge of the dam There is a contact Who has to you call so that the designated incident commander is the Albert fire chief so he be the very first person and the rest Is in place of the network So what would you like to speak about a couple of Breathe I just want to report on the performance of the new generator out here during the 40 hour power outage Check the gauge As it happened just before that it was a 53% and after 40 hours of running During outage and keeping this building warm at low use usage It was down to the 48% so that gave us a And an idea of what consumption we might be expecting and in terms of capacity and how often to Get the tank you feel it worked perfectly. It's switched itself on as soon as the cell often So that's three days it could run you think or four. I think it was 40 hours that it consumed that amount of from 53 to 48 percent Full the time gauge So it's more than that So less than I expected This is an idea I did call the Propane supplier in essence to come sometime in the next few weeks to refill even though it's almost a half The other thing is that we got a call from the East Montpelier Immersion management committee and they say you've done a lot of great things getting your shelters set up Could we collaborate with you? Could we come if there is an incident and a lot of people are getting shelter Could we use your shelter and collaborate with you and managing it or we could supply? Volunteers to help earn it and I said sounds like a great idea So I just wanted to mention to you that that conversations going on at some point We would want to ask the town slipboard I don't know if there's any official action which would you would need to consider on matter for insurance Issues That's just it. That's just the preview of maybe a future conversation and the last thing Oh, yes, maybe that's further along the agenda. It's about The arc of funds that we think were previously allocated for a couple of emergency management projects Which comes something under $2,000, but if you like I can wait and sell that you get to that part of the agenda No, why don't you go ahead? Okay? And sorry I sent and Manchester and Sandra an email a week or so ago saying I'm not remembering this right, but the two items that we were Hoping we're thinking that Arthur would cover our One is that in August I'm going to read this the town purchased radio communication equipment through the ENPG grant and that's how we got the generators and The the defibrillator and do other things but one subset of those purchases was Identified as ineligible under the terms of the grant and those things were three radio antennas That we wanted to put in one at the time garage one at the at the school The elementary school and the other at the Where's the third one? Yes, so the community center We only have the one that we did install an 18 foot antenna here inside the bell tower is installed but For reasons I won't go into The others slept out of the grant so the cost of those three antennas Which the town has already purchased is one thousand four hundred fifty four dollars so we are Hoping that is still the case that Arthur can cover that expense for the town I can go into more detail through my Tom, do you want to come one thousand one thousand Fifty-four one thousand four hundred fifty-four dollars and eighty-nine cents The town is already expending so this may be just a book keeping an over Allocated to the right expense But I thought you also said you thought you had four thousand left That's what someone that's what either your son had said to me and it's in respond to that She said she's on going taking a deep dive into all of that. Okay, so you still don't know And so she said there's some untangling to do previous Promises or allocations around She's working on it The other the other thing that is came up with new is that we discovered that we're going to be an electrician To help us run cable from the antenna down here We Rick Keen and Jay. Oh, I would hear it. You know, we are a little nervous about we don't have a long enough What do you call it going to move the cable through the walls and you're not exactly going running blind I'm not exactly sure what we're going to be drilling into and we need you to have a professional do this So we're estimating as much as five hundred dollars to have an electrician Do it the right way? This is running that the cables from the antenna For both the self signal booster and for the radio Does Sandra know about that also? Yes. Okay, so let's hope she finds 4,000 and we we're all set I mean, I don't know that there's much else we can do until we know what the situation is Thank you Thanks for coming Steve Gray is up next Steve wants to run his run the snowmobiles on the town roads Yeah Who use a snowmobile trails in cows were fortunate to go a couple of actual Main trails will be on plow roads the rest for access on some very minimum amount of traffic And I'd like to just point out in the agenda item if you use that as a motion It does stayed in there that must receive annual permission to cross certain Town roads state statute will allow snowmobiles to cross any plow highway at a right angle or as near as possible That does not require a slipboard Approval what we're asking for is to actually use a portion of the plow road my following along So I would simply change that what's crook word cross to use and use a portion of And then they're the road are described in the Center So basically that's why I'm here and answer any questions you have now. We've got one other one come up I think you'd like to speak to that We've been the last couple years talking about the possibility of opening a short section of Kent Hill Road So that snowmobiles can get from the main trail that crosses the road just East of Jimmy will lock and share fishes driveways up the road to get to the store For a number of reasons conveniences and that kind of stuff We haven't resolved that but you can hold me today and we don't have a problem with it I think there's some things we need to think about and keep our eye on if we're going to do that It won't be a main trail. It won't be a quarter trail On the vast map, but it will be legally open it and it can be signed Whatever for a sign for me at the corner store and Hope it signing would have to be done Our concerns from snowmobile standpoint is we got an intersection to get through So once you come up Kent Hill Road, you're gonna have to cross basically the County Road in a diagonal Which is permitted, but it could potentially be dangerous the other traffic is not super heavy, but Seeing up the hill and so on for snowmobiles to get across parking in the driveway without obstructing other vehicles could become a problem and We also get concerned when we have Encouraged snowmobiles to ride after dark and places like that as well. So that's just concerns. I just think they ought to be mentioned and It's not a problem. We don't have a problem with that. It's just it needs to be thought about. We're not I'm trying to promote those kind of things, but we're more than happy to work with Jimmy on that We may be able to shorten that a little bit. I'll see what I can do We're not going to have to go across it a bit. I would suggest that if you choose to do it that you open Kent Hill Road, which is part of State 8 Highway 1, I believe and from the current trail crossing which is quarter through 12 Westally for a distance approximately, I guess it'd be two tenths of a mile, one tenth of a mile, through the Maple Corner Store That should cover it if it's questioned by any law enforcement To the Maple Corner Store, and it's about, what did you say, one tenth of a mile? I would, I would speak to him one and two tenths of a mile It's going to be at least a tenth of a mile, I don't think, but maybe closer to two And that's not imperative, but it would be helpful for people in the future to make a short section And would you be the one to sign it? I can work that out with Jamie. We at one time had an access trail On down on Route 14, they went up through the fields across Route 14, but he went up to the East Coast Store And the store provided a Sign, a larger sign, it said what they had available at the trail where the intersection of the two would be From that point up, we did sign it. We had a few arrows We had some road crossing, we had to stop, they had to stop sign on Route 14 and that kind of thing That would be needed up here. They'd have to be some Trail, we have to pre-empt any piece of trail that is being used, a road that is being used with a Standard trail sign so that motorists approaching a piece of road that is open Worn by a trail sign so that they know they're on a snowmobile trail Or coming to a snowmobile trail and then on the trail we put on the road We put up exit left or exit right for the snowmobiles Can, are told to get off and turn to the market so that they see that So it would be a minimum amount of signing, but they would you know The same to stop sign it's up there would be utilized by everybody and so on so We can, we can work those details Do you want to say anything? I would just say that this idea came up in part because the snowmobile trail used to cross Through some backyards and dead end in what was then my front yard across from the store And it was regular, you know snowmobiles coming for lunch and Visiting and so this idea has been bouncing around with the at the store For a little while now about how it would be great for snow machine Riders as well as for the store for increased winter, you know, we get lunch business and whatnot And the store would be you know happy to work with you and I Have And I've had conversations with the store board about this who's in favor Be mutually beneficial for riders and In fact kind of thing I'd be concerned about politics with And just being kind of mindful worst-case scenario Traffic in there and just making sure that we have a plan for it You know, I think it hard making sure that there's anything we can do like designated parking to kind of keep You know conflict down We have to take care I'll just say we don't encourage the use of cloud highways But we have to do it and Most snowmobiles don't get a ride They get away from it as much as they can because sooner or later they turn the ground And Um, so Would somebody how do we do this do we have to to incorporate this letter into the motion I guess Number eight Part of can't he'll road from the current trail westerly to the maple corner store a distance of about point two miles And if we would please add that for access on For access to If you know a number of those that we have on the list the first two one and two Those are main quarter trails. They're they're back. They're out of the state system They're on now in the last five or I guess Strictly for access only that for people to get to the house or something like that They just can't get from there going to a trail without traveling on piece of power highway and We don't advertise those but they have to be legally addressed. So Is everybody okay with adding a number eight and start with that I Don't think I know he's yeah, I Would you think can't help people are gonna feel? Rockled Don't really know honestly. I've had casual conversations with lots of Maple corner folks who have all been in favor of it But I have not had specific conversations. I've had conversations with sharing Who's the closest property over there, but I have not had conversations with The other folks who live along that stretch Is there any is there any way to get closer to the store Without using the road with the cooperation of any of the property owners that are there Operating the property You've got it right to the store But we have not assumed that I had a brief conversation A year or two ago with the owner of the house directly across from the store Who was very supportive of the idea but didn't want it In his physical front but was supportive of the idea of it being on the road This is something we could try and then if there's an issue I was just going to say just bear in mind you can cancel it and you know You choose to yeah We add your flaws at the bottom of that and says if you give the second one choosers to Or consider is it just please let us know but in this case it wouldn't be detrimental to us But we would again be And we obviously want to be a you know partner and good neighbor to our neighbors. So if we received Negative feedback from it. We did you know the story myself would be okay for rescinding it Yeah, but but I think it would be net benefit more than I think the biggest concern Though there is a little bit of safety of crossing the county road at the bottom of that hill Someone who didn't have any idea where they were might not be paying attention But it would be the storage problem of conflict in the back and off Because if you get six or eight sleds that ride in the other on their way from Who knows way up there in a hurry or whatever decide to stop there and they all pull in the eye They're going to take up some space and that made Irritating to be rid of the customers as long as they spend a lot of money It's just I was going to say I think that having snowmobilars go to the store as a benefit for the store as well Yeah, I think Anytime you can make a trail go towards a store It's beneficial in any service. Yeah works. And there's a lot of around that trails are maintained just for that Together to services, but you can have a conflict still and again, we we might be a little selfish about it But we don't want our group to get a bad name either The snowmobiles are causing this problem. So that was kind of that problem. We were very high to try and avoid that And about also it's a community thing. So we're going to be proud and as you say we if there's any problem We just With attention we may hear So is everybody okay with adding a number eight there? Rose do you understand what it would say? Yeah, I already have a motion and when I just Drove as outlined in the listing and further add a portion of cat hill road to access the maple corner store Do I need to write westerly or what you said or Easter big? By way of cat hill road cat hill road from the current snowmobile trail Westerly to the maple corner store You shouldn't put that much definition because we don't want to open it any further or it's against corn or anywhere else Should I repeat that? So cat hill road from the current trail crossing westerly to the maple corner store 0.2 miles And then per end for access only Should it be for store access only I guess Well, since it says to the store, okay I got the access only that we use is to just define that it's not a main trick So when it goes to the store goes for private house or those wherever it's strictly for access it typically dead end So rose you all said or do you want me to repeat it? Okay So somebody like to move that we Author, what are we doing? We're authorizing the use of Town roads As stated in the letter dated december 4th from the mountain tamer snowmobile club to us Maybe you want to change the word cross Certain roads to use a portion of certain roads. I thought I said that but maybe I didn't okay Would you like me to read the motion on sure go ahead? I've done this so many years Someone's going to make a motion to authorize the mountain tamer snowmobile club to use a portion of certain town roads On their snowmobiles to gain access to the bass trail for the 2023 2024 winter season As outlined in their listing and further at a portion of the cat hill road From the current trail crossing westerly to the maple corner store for 0.2 miles to access store I've been there done them Okay, any further discussion on that All right in all in favor Hi. Thank you, Steve. Thank you Well, thanks for all your work Okay Yeah, so the curse fondant does everybody understand the next item there's um, we've been promised 100,000 We've only spent whatever 69 886 Minus 100 Subtract from 100,000 is and this would obligate the or it would Transfer the rest of the funds to the dam association And this was my understanding. This was a recommendation from Expert who's just a little concerned about federal clawback if it's not obligated sooner than later And because this is such a large amount that hasn't been specter obligated That was the recommendation. Let's take care of it now and to be clear It's not to send the money to the cpa. It's transferring it from the ARPA fund to the current fund And this is something that was previously Yeah Well, the former select the former slacker had already allotted it promised it. Yeah, so it's not new it was Yeah, and they've been counting on all right. Would somebody like to move that rose you have the language right there in front of you. Yeah Second Okay, and Dylan seconds All in favor Jamie I presume you abstained. Yeah All right. Next is the meeting ballots The Oh, here we are. Okay. So the washington central would like us to move To allow them to distribute ballots through mail Apparently all the towns have to do Do the vote in exactly the same way or it's in valence So they ask all the towns to do this and we do it every year, I guess Well, they ask if all the towns have to go to do it this way All the towns don't agree to do it this way. Then we all have to take care of our own ballots individually. Okay There are a number of ballots this year for town meeting day. We'll have our town ballot We'll have our presidential primary ballot and we'll have ballots for each of the school districts The career center never mails ballots. It's always by request only So if someone requests one, we will mail it to them that they never mail as a whole The school likes to mail it out to everybody, but all the towns have to agree to that If the town mails out or if the school district mails out all its ballots It offers to mail our town ballot with it And then we it ends up being about half the postage cost for us if we funnel that together and they get our town ballot with the school ballot The primary ballot you have to choose republican or democrat every voter does so we can't just mail out a batch People have to request the ballot and then we mail them either republican or democrat whichever one they choose So It's like a choose your own adventure. There's a lot of different ways this can go depending on how you want to That's actually the next item down here. Well, but I think it all goes. You have to have a full picture Was this okay with you? I think it's so My recommendation is that we vote to let the schools mail their ballots And then we do piggyback on them and mail our town ballots with the school ballots And then make sure people are well aware and we're all going to feel this question So I hope you all are okay with it. Why didn't I get my presidential primary ballot? Then you'll have to say because you have to choose democrat or republican and they'll say why and then you'll say because otherwise the national parties won't actually let us have a primary This is the only time any of our monitors ever have to say democrat or republican And they could literally take the primary away from us if we don't do this during this They're run due progressive ballot too Rosie said no progressive ballot. Okay. Not for the not for the presidential Okay, we'll have to do this again in in august for the state primary. We have to But in that case, do you usually put both? I think it's always we can do both. We're just going to presidential or we can't do it. Yeah, that's right Just presidential. So that's my recommendation Given all that I know and what little I know depending on how you want to look at it Definitely have we say yes to the school district and we send our town ballots with theirs all together and then we Barbara and I will mail out Republican democrat and for your center So well teagan, thank you very much for that explanation because I was following that email chain and it seemed to get very Very About words that seemed not important and a very heated debate about who was going to participate in what and uh, not a constructive email exchange Well, Rosie Rosie has been the district the school district clerk for a number of years and she knows her stuff I actually Melissa taller and the blister clerk and I have meeting with Rosie on Friday So that she could give us the whole rundown of lead up to town meeting and after town meeting And here's all the things you need to know and make sure you hydrate them you know Would somebody like to move the The washington county unified school district ballot issue. I guess I have one more question if we if we if we Take that action as recommended and the other towns don't do something similar Are we back to trying to figure out something different? That's when we figure out something different. I think You know in that case we decide whether barbara and I are going to mail out all this school district and all the Right, right or or if we're not going to mail them and they're on request and everything's by request We'll have to figure that out Well, it seems fiscally prudent to try to combine it with the school And everybody should tell the rest of the towns that that seems to be a fiscally prudent Define towns in WCUSD in the past have all agreed The bigger the bigger issue becomes with the central vermont career center school district There's like 18 or 21 towns and they don't agree So that's why she's saying that other school district We'll have to be by request And all these ballots will be available at town meeting too if people don't pass ahead of time We will have primary ballots and personal ballots. All right. I'm looking for a motion Uh, I'll move the town of callus Allow the washington central unified school district to distribute the ballots Or is it right? Yes, yeah, that's stated there as stated Rose can just copy that motion. They want us to use that language specifically So just move the language Do we have a second? Okay. Jamie seconds all in favor Okay, same issue now for the for our own This is the school ballots is the town meeting ballots. Yeah, so that's all the all the australian ballot Which is not a lot of issues, but yeah, well, it's the voting floor select board for example and all that. Okay Would somebody like to move that issue has written on the agenda Staying in for the work. I'm video. What what you're voting on I moved to authorize the callus town clerk Teagan dikeman brown to arrange for the mailing of the 2024 town meeting ballots via usps mail to all active not challenged Voters on our town checklist I'll second janey janey's motion All in favor Thanks All right, next up is the select board report Have you all had a chance to look at draft two? This is this is the report that we would put in the um the town report report from the select board And we've got a few pages here And I think you have some changes to me as far as adding people that were thinking and yeah, yeah, do you have that language up that? I would really like to double double check on my contractors. I added a couple more Oh, okay, so maybe we're not ready. Barbara, you don't even need to vote on this you guys This is just a discussion. Just maybe just get your remote safe page Let's start with is everybody okay with the general frame here Okay, so we still need to flesh out. We need a few corrections to the to that piece Jamie wants to look at the Curtis Pong piece and maybe edit that a little bit I made a very tiny suggestion Okay, why don't you just do it and we'll go out and send it to us and Jordan You're going to work on the it piece and we'll try to have that Barbara would like it by the 15th, right? Yes, that is that I will tell you you guys are a full month ahead of where we've been in the last few years You guys rock That is the requested deadline But I typically would get it in over the past few years in mid-January So you have got a couple more weeks to work on this and I will stay in touch with and you'll gather all these changes I will gather the changes if you guys will all send them to me and we'll and I'll get them to Barbara as soon as we're ready Okay, you guys are doing awesome. Thank you so much. Thanks Fire department interlocal agreement has everybody had a chance to review that because we are going to the meeting on thursday And um, they're going to ask us to We redo that to to authorize it. Does anybody have any comments on that? Oh, that's too bad. Yeah Okay, I'll see I'll see what time it is. I might I might be able to attend it in the early. I guess Okay, well think annan jamie and I are going right not jamie. I'm sorry. Not jamie donnie Yeah, I'm gonna try to I think yeah And if you can come that would be terrific. Yeah Um But do you feel Okay about us signing the interlocal agreement as written did anybody have any specifics that you want us to bring up And discuss we thought it spelled it out Nicely, it's more concrete than Like would bury I mean as you said there's pieces that We should have received but it's like an all-new Okay management group with the fire department as well. Now you're talking about something else. Um, Yeah, they haven't you'll if you've read the interlocal agreement You'll see that item five is that before the first day of december they're supposed to have sent us six documents Of so far they've sent us none I called albert patrella today and asked her, you know, why haven't we got the documents? And he said well in the past it's always been done by people who just recently resigned and nobody here knows how to do it Um, I don't know how we're going to do our business on thursday He did finally send us something about an hour ago not all these documents by any means, but at least it's a budget And I guess we're just going to have to muddle through he says he's trying to learn it and he's trying to get his act together And we'll just have to do the best we can So in terms of the interlocal agreement, I had one thing in number one It's that that last sentence it talks about the initial term of the contract being one year And then it's going to renew itself every year automatically unless we object to it renewing Um, and then it says effective September 2nd 2021 this contract shall be reviewed by the parties at least every three years And shall not automatically review renew more than two successive years Why are we doing that? I kind of like it with it renews automatically unless we ask To look at it. But how do you guys feel about that? Oh rose. Do you know about this? So that's the way it used to be like I wrote it Me and Paul Julia You wrote that sentence? No, the interlocal agreement I was the administrative assistant for six years when this came to fruition But this last sentence seems to have been added in 2021 Yeah, and in 2021 with the prior select board and Sharon Lynn Fanon And some others they really wanted it only to go up every year The the initial contract when this began in 2008, I believe It was recommended a 10 year And the actual document was five years. So for all those years every five years It just automatically renewed unless someone gave notice But that language that you're talking about is new and starting from 2021 Um, yeah, and why why did they really need to do that? In my view, no reason You know, I mean basically the interlocal agreement memorializes on paper What from 1964 till 2008 Had been done with a handshake And it was only because we were building a brand new firehouse That we said so let's got to take a bond. It's going to be a big chunk of change We really need to memorialize this and put it on paper And so the fire department's attorney to like Paul Giuliani drew it up And at that point I was the administrative assistant for the fire department And that's how this came to be So I think it's a great document. I have no no problem with it except for that one sentence Yeah, I mean and and I I would recommend that you know Really, why do you need to change it every year? I mean even every five years Let's give a good look because you do have um, the annual meeting when we do the audit It would view their budget and that happens in december But as far as fire suppression Emergency response ambulance service, you know, I don't really think You know the town really needs to Yeah, look at all this every single year and I suspect a small failure would be fine Taking that last piece out But now rose is saying something different. You'd replace it saying every five years we're going to be doing Well, that's what it used to be up until 2021 It was a five year. Do you have that original language somewhere? On my home computer with the thousands and thousands of other documents I see absolutely Well, what is the upper limit that This board is interested in because you would explore that with them on Thursday night We could do that. Yeah So yes, yeah I think that's something we're having conversation with the organization around, you know I think the the intent of putting that in there would be to Have a healthy review of the document not necessarily to throw things up into the air every couple of years, but I think as we know at this point It's just like there's so much regular business to conduct as a town when these things come up It's just it's a knee jerk approve it and move on last year was good enough and so it seemed like An effort to put some sort of mechanism in there But that mechanism isn't really going to get used just as much as any other one So and there's already one in there to say that they're want to provide notice of Of review So what are you recommending? Were you recommending leaving it as is? No, I'm I'm I mean one I guess What has concerned me through this budgeting process and the way that the conversations with the departments have evolved is We came into some very charged circumstances Where where folks were not happy with our level of engagement We were cut off you know caught off guard by a lot and now we're getting into the budgeting process and we just had two presentations of preliminary budgets that didn't really mean much and had a bunch of errors And so while we're trying to make a plan for next year's budget you know there's We're going to approve a budget at the next meeting and show up to the meeting and and I appreciate how much work All of us are doing and how much work they do but it's a little frustrating to feel like as a select board member I have to attend all of the extra meetings and participate in all of the extracurricular conversations when There's a document that says please Please present these things in a timely fashion. I mean they're there for a reason It's for our budgeting process. You know we need to get ahead of it So I guess I just would want some teeth I guess in saying like what do you what do you do to shake people say like this is really important to our process to make sure that You're making good on on some of the conditions of it. You know, that's That's just that's just basic planning stuff. You know, there's There's no gripe with the level of service or commitment to the uh to The agreement, you know, but we need to have a way of having a conversation and in like Productive way and right now it doesn't seem like there's I haven't doing that And I think that they would be open to it like with woodbury. I mean they sent us all of that information And it was very helpful and I think we'll receive it every month Yeah, and I think that albert 2 will be because you know, they're a new They're all new like we're all new and so Yeah, I mean he didn't even know he was supposed to do an audit And he hasn't done an audit But he says he's learning and he promises to do better I mean, I I don't know what else to do other than give them a little more time to Say you're gonna Reach out Yeah Or we can peel that out. So right now the the If we peel out the last sentence and where It says it's going to uh renew annually uh, and that Notice of non-renewal we could also just put in Language in there about review. So a not a notice of non-renew renewal or um Or review gets done with Three months notice does that Make sense open up the door For a process for you referring to section one section one. Yeah section one It seemed like your interest was to get the budget information and more timely way, which is more about section five And I think like with us and I because I don't even When I reached out way back when we started this process, they're like, uh, Both fire departments. We don't do that. You know our timeline is is this and our timelines tend to be pretty close So I think we get their final product around the same time. We're also supposed to be I know their final budget was just approved last wednesday Greg brought it home. I said, did you send that to the slide board? No, they'll get it on the 14th And that's yeah, I think it's like Yeah, well, I think we should talk about that But meanwhile, I'm wondering what to do about this interlocal agreement. Um, I'm not sure exactly what it means to say We'll review it. I mean we can review it anytime we want um I just assumed strike that last sentence Or replace it with language that we'll look at it every five years if that makes sense just to make sure we do it But I'm not clear. Is that Is that contrary to what you're saying to it? No, no, no All right, I'm just trying to define a process for Right define a path I guess for you know calling For review Okay That that doesn't that isn't saying like well, here's three, uh, three months notice on Uh, you know interest to you know terminate the agreement unless we sit down and have a conversation, you know like that If there were a path forward that Says, you know, this isn't a notice of termination of the agreement. We just want to have a formal sit down Um to to do so just providing a path for it. I didn't see anywhere in here where there is a path for that other than You know, we can just review it at its terms at any point I think the formal sit down is every december because You're three times a year With the select board and they'll Okay All right. Well, it's that that's probably enough. I will have the discussion together on thursday The one other thing that caught my attention that probably Is irrelevant was the first sentence of section two That says each town designates these montaliers the primary provider of these services is that Is are they primary and woodbury secondary or? their primary ems and pragmatically They usually both end up in cow. Yeah, right Language I mean I'll be some my side of time that's how we sort of treat equally. Well, east montalier fire department also has Ambulance service and woodbury just knocked. Yeah, but it says primary provider of fire suppression Right, so that's what yeah Probably neither here nor there, but it just caught me as a little bit Strange language like for a berry came out one time. We're often It could be You could be a primary There we go There's an idea Anything else, okay, it'll be fun thursday night Um Okay, child care payroll tax you heard us talking a little bit about that with mark and you saw there's a Document in your folder explaining that it's a point four four percent tax on payroll effective next july We can either pay the entire tax Or we can charge up to point one one percent And take it out of the employees wages I said that right everybody else who understands this. Okay. Do you guys all understand that? Or we can take less than point one one percent. We could take point. I don't know zero five percent. I suppose What do you guys want to do do you have the numbers written down for how much How much that constitutes in the budget No, I don't One one six hundred and sixty dollars For the entire year For all the employees all the wages if if the talented entire point four four it would be So you can shave up to six hundred and sixty off that and the budget assumes the full amount Anybody have an opinion? Okay. Is it taking it off of Of The employees and the payroll tax or just assuming we need it Or how is I guess if we decided to take say point one one percent out of the wages that we would reduce their check by that amount And send it to the state We would reduce their check by six hundred and sixty dollars a year Per person Oh, that's right. That's right. So per person would be less than a hundred dollars It's like six cents a pay period. I mean you can take it from mine I think so much pay for child care and it's hard What I should let you know we haven't talked about this with the employees union and I don't know exactly How they would respond If the decision were to put some on have them contribute Well, it's an obligation to everyone, isn't it? I thought that's how it was It the the town has no choice but to pay the full amount It's saying that the employee employer has the option of charging up to point one one percent, but That is terms and conditions and employment and the bargaining union has a right to I don't know exactly. I don't know. You know, they might say you have to negotiate with us about that So kari is this in the budget now? Yes So the full amount the 260 2640 is in the budget as we voted on it Yes, they put it in there a while ago She's good So I'm inclined to just pay it How about you guys? I agree How I just pay it, yeah Okay, do we need to vote on that probably we do I think so. Okay. Well somebody move it Is it a motion? Yeah, I don't make a motion to Have the town pay full portion of the payroll tax associated with child care child care payroll tax payroll tax As it's currently proposed Of point four four percent Okay, so the town law is going to pay No, I think you have to say a point four four percent because it's possible it could change somebody could Yeah Okay, rose. Yeah, should we also say um The employees Don't have to contribute I kind of see the full portion I don't I don't know that we need to say it in the Minutes Are you thinking people would like to know that? Yeah, what I did was I went on the wet on the tax department website and I copied and pasted What it was So that I was clear so that I knew about what this was. So I just have to tweak it a little bit So what does it say on the website? at 78 of 2023 and after relating to the child care and early childhood education I'm sorry. I thought it could be. Yeah, but now it's called child care contribution So they're calling it ccc. So, yeah, so that's what it is at 0.44 percent payroll tax on wages And employers have to pay that Or you could have the employees pay up to 25 percent of that which is point one. Yeah. Yeah Okay So we have a motion do we have a second a second Okay, donny seconds all in favor I Okay, thanks There's a lot on this one So ARPA allocations Kari we're not sure there you said a list here, which I don't think the others got Of all the ARPA Promises and we don't know if there might be a little more still in the ARPA basic fund Yeah, I think we're just dealing with these two tonight and we can go in Okay I mean that relates to the next comments that Sandra is is we're going to dig into this more this month And and get that. Okay. So so far we've we've given cb fiber the 200,000 We've given we've spent the cuts of 20,000 We've given nick the emergency management grants and we think he may have a little left and did the 60,000 go to the east Um, I'm sorry the east callus fire district They haven't spent it yet So they don't have that money yet. I don't believe so. Do you know what that was for? Yes, it was for updating the main line pipes in the east callus village Okay So that leaves two other items this traffic calming road design study Which uh, kari check with rick keen. They were they didn't do it Right and and what he said was the select board this was the select board's decision Their product they weren't even very clear about the scope of it There was a sense that they wanted to cover the whole town He favored doing the problem areas, you know Where they I guess they spent a lot of time on speed limits And so this was meant to address that but um My sense is that there's no one You know, it's dying for this project to happen. It's just a study, right? Come up with not the speed limit study but the Engineering ways to reconfigure the roads so as to slow people down So that was $30,000 And the other one is an invasive species study to the conservation commission and kari checked with larry bush And larry said the committee commission is not expecting this. They were not preparing Wow, they weren't they were unaware. I think that they have Supported alchemy of this tour and that's 15,000. So that's a 45,000 And we're looking to find some money to for a down payment on a boom mower And a lot of which will help with invasive species Right. I had a chat with larry bush about this to random and I got about the same response you did And you pointed out that Um That allocating it for the boom mower would Help address And we talked a little bit about Wanting to work with the conservation commission Well as we're looking at roadside mowing Schedules and practices to to make sure the town is using the best Best practices around invasive control And we thought that sounded great and it was an easy sell to the commission So I spoke with sander earlier today. I wanted to be clear that it's as simple as the board You know redesignating this this money and that's it sounds like it is we agreed to that using of mimicking the language that you just did for the The dam fund because that came from key luckily We're probably the best thing so I have a suggestion the other thing we talked about was You could be very specific and then allocate it to the boom mower. You could allocate it to the Capital equipment fund the highway department or something else Our suggestion is the highway capital equipment fund in that way it can be used on the boom mower Is that okay under the arpa regulations? It doesn't doesn't have to be for a specific item That's my understanding is it can be that general. Oh, I wasn't okay So you have some language so so what we came up with is moved to obligate the town of callous's Arca funds previously designated Does it obligate move to obligate the town of callous's arca funds previously designated for an invasive species study and a traffic calming road design study To the highway capital equipment fund and authorize the treasurer Transfer these funds from the arpa fund to the highway capital equipment fund before the close of the calendar year Do you need to say the amount the 45,000? We could certainly add that It does in the one that we just voted on it has the amount I thought it did Yes, so the one we just voted on said I moved to obligate the town of callous's remaining arpa funds in the amount of And you're emailing that motion to rose. Yes, great Would someone like to move that So moved Okay, do we have a second second any more discussion everybody liked the idea great all in favor Um Which is fortuitous because what one of the things toby had told us when he was talking about finding the down payment Was that we're not making he thought the 42,000 payment on the one of the trucks this year He called me from sandia to say oops. It turns out we are making on a payment. I mean next year So we don't have that 42,000 to play with as toby thought and said There we go Um, okay, let's move on to the boom mower Let's see we talked about Um, how about let me see, uh, which one is that that would be the second of the So last time we talked about essentially putting 50,000 down on financing the Financing 80 over five years and toby has three options here, which is The making the first payment this year and then the annual payments are the lowest 18,324 for five years Or we could put the 50 down and defer the first payment until a year from now And that pushes the annual payment up to 19,658 That's an additional $6,700 in interest total Okay, and the third option is just to put 30 down And make the first payment next year and that pushes the payment to almost 25,000 as an additional 11,000 In interest, so if we're going to spend the 45,000 and we have it why wouldn't we just do that right now? I guess my one concern would be that Then to make the payment on top of that this year so option a We'll be taking that out of our reserve fund which Unless it's available in this year's budget, I'm not sure But if we move it right now to the highway equipment fund, isn't it available? The down payment is yes And then and then do we make do then the question is option a or b do we want to make that first payment? this year When you say this year, do you mean fiscal year or do you mean calendar year like this month? Oh, that's that's what option is 50 now and a first payment in december So 68,000 this year. Yeah And to be found I thought he had found close to 70 Which we know some of that 45 of that Close to the truck, but then we should still be sitting pretty close to 70 with this 45 Yes Did I misunderstand? No, I think that makes sense because didn't he find two Different things that money wasn't being spent on there are two trucks. There is There was one where it had gotten One that had been purchased, but the receipt was delayed. So pushed into fiscal 25 25 24 We're in now International or something you didn't I don't know. I thought it was 70 So 45 Okay, so it wasn't you've seen the 45, but that means we should still have 72 by so I would So I think it's better if you went with that Absolutely option. Yeah I think that's the best option assuming we have that flexibility in this fiscal year's budget Yep, and we can do we can do it Well, we've got a week. I guess samber can figure that out. Okay Would somebody like to move that is there any concern about any other extracurricular expenses and how close There have been a couple of repairs that we're happening with trucks. Are we concerned about any other But at this point the truck should all be like basically Okay I mean John struck his back and doing well. I mean they have some We're always concerned about repairs and I know that we're concerned about something You need to be replaced this year. You know, I think catastrophic not replaced. Yeah, like major repairs, right? Yeah Donnie you want to make a motion? Sure I've moved I've been listening to you guys trying to figure the sound That's why I just second everything Oh, okay. I figured you understood this one the best. I understand the money part. Okay. I move to go with what we were caught option a For the boom power First of all, I guess we're going to move to we already did did we move the funds already? Yeah, yeah, okay. So now we've got the funds in the equipment fund So you're moving I think to take 40 should we do 45,000 or do we need to do 50 for this? I moved to take 50,000 out of the highway equipment fund and use it to make a down payment on on the massive Ferguson boom mower So I moved to take 50,000 out of the Highway Capital fund equipment fund For the down payment Of the boom mower the massive Ferguson So option and do you want it in the motion Before the end of the calendar year Yeah And it's in part a motion and that we make the first payment this year Yes This calendar year Okay Does everybody understand the motion? Especially rose Yeah, I think if you could also just text email me some of that text you were talking about what option a is Just some other stuff That's the one where we the first payment is due December 15th. Okay Um, and uh, I guess you'd better as part of that motion authorize one of us to sign it Who wants to sign it? It works there all the time because it never has powers I should they're pretty pretty when they order So I authorize and And winchester you better say that or it won't be clear Okay, and winchester to sign it To sign the agreement. Yeah, and I have a copy of it here Did you say the first payment is due jac December 15th? Well, yeah, so it might be So you'll let harm you'll let sandra knows she needs to process a check What does accepted? I don't understand this It says acceptance as a duly authorized agent of callus. I hereby accept the proposal as outlined above And intend to close this financing with ncsl subject to approval accepted and then name Accepted be your signature and take oh, that's I see and that would mean I would print my name. Oh, okay Thank you. Okay, so the incentives to pay the before the calendar year is purely from ncl on Find interest rate Otherwise, I don't see you are I don't think to this is time to the calendar year the ARPA reallocation was Just because of the clawback This is they proposed these dates. I'm sure they would be happy to sell us this next week as well. Yeah, I think that's fine Okay, are we done with the boom mower? Then we didn't we seconded in the eye already. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I was seconded if we are satisfied with the Yes, all in favor. All right. Okay. Thanks. And I guess this goes to you kari Please No, we get to the budget so Call out your Budget here. Oh, kari. How do you suggest we do this? Shall we jump right to the highway? Yeah, I think we left off and Yeah, I didn't get on the highway Okay I don't see looking through this kari. I didn't see much we could play with here. I would agree with that Wages and benefits. I don't see anything or we have any discretion whatsoever The number of employees and we we talked about this a bit last time You know, we're Donnie and tobi are going to interview some folks on saturday and there is an internal candidate to be the foreman And hopefully that all works out and that would leave us potentially with with three full timers and two part timers Which would provide us the luxury of five drivers on a day like today. That's what happened today, which is a great thing I don't think i'm confident enough in that model to say let's go ahead and budget for it next year There's just too many variables including the part timers I would not Well, you've got two thousand for a temporary Would you take that out then? I think you could take it out. You know tokyu wanted to hang on to that I don't see how we're going to use that that wouldn't be covered by You know wages and benefits for other employees And then would you increase the highway wages to cover another person or does that already include that person? No The five positions is should be enough to get us through a season Might be more than enough But I don't really understand why we left the two thousand yet not temporary because I don't think we'll need it And if we do we'll be because we're not paying normal wages and benefits to somebody So should we take it out or do you want to leave it in there? Just I think we can do that. Okay Great I see that somebody's joined on zoom should we get that person staying so Rose could put it in the minutes Okay, anything else on wages and benefits Whoever is Andy's iPhone, could you unmute please? All right, Andy we're working on the highway budget now Yeah, I was going to say with wages because it looks like we still have the road foreman at 27 and had you not Here we go to 30 30 is that reflected in the wages are not good. It is okay. My copy says 30 Yeah, it says 30 say 27. So am I on the wrong copy? Oh, oh, yeah, there's a new just dated 12 11 23 So that amount becomes 71 873 Including overtime, you know, there may be an opportunity to reduce overtime. I don't know These storms it's a weekly event Yeah, I think that I think it's one thing if the Overtime hours are relative to plowing and that sort of thing, but you know, I think we're managing overtime hours Throughout the year and there's an allocation of a certain amount of overtime hours I would think that those would be allocated differently, you know to other employees. They're less expensive than To the extent that it can be The one question I had there was the 3% Cola that's associated with that formula there That's in the clock out So you'd be getting 30 until next July and then that goes up three and then it would go up 3% So that doesn't seem right to you I thought it was three Maybe it was left at cola. I thought we did uh Yeah, flat percentages. I don't think we were calling them colas. I think we're just Oh, yeah, maybe colas are the right term. Yeah, it's negotiated Yeah, I just Wanted to be careful with this thing in various records because originally I was proposed as a as a cola plus 3% And so I don't want I don't want anything to come back and Okay Anything else under wages and benefits Is 500 enough for education and training? They do quite a lot um, a lot of that education is free, but they have been asking for More like first aid training and and I those things my cost. I try to get it through local roads I'm actually going to check with red cross to see if I'm doing this CPR This stop the bleed training. I believe it's free So you think it's okay to leave it there? So the other thing that we added into the contract was the town covering the cost of CDLs and renewals Oh, and that is something we might need to consider cheap. Um, and that's annual I think Uh by by annual Yeah, and I don't know where it would fall under it might be education, but Peter um I had to express the willingness to get a the higher level CDL currently john and dana Are the only ones that have it um dana's a per timer. So it would help having someone else with that So It's interesting because I just saw an invoice today for CDL. It was 125. I believe I wonder if this is a new provision in the contract if sandra has an account for maybe not So would it be okay if it's not that we had a figure in there? Yeah, yeah Yeah, I think so the the only thing right now that we've kind of committed to the contract is to renewals and then for anybody who's hired without a CDL to Um contribute towards them achieving one. I don't know that we necessarily Um put anything specific in there about Like john's situation where it'd be a more a more enhanced one. Um, so I think we could be Pretty conservative. I think for at least the next fiscal year Yeah, those are only going to be you know 125 dollars a pop for a handful of guys So we can take it at 500 or we can use increase that 500 and other 500 That wasn't comfortable. Yeah It depends on where you go, okay, um, I don't know Where did did they Individually go to their own place and then the town reimbursed them or does the town? Yeah, it's a reimbursement. Yeah So I go to Cassandra and I think mine was like 98 dollars For two years or two Yeah They're all standard at two years unless you have a medical reason Why your doctor won't give it to you for two years and at that point they can give you a one month a six month A year That is the that's this is what we're talking about, isn't it? CDL exam 125 that said the dm thing, right? No, this is uh, vermont CDL exams LLC So did somebody did somebody take the take the test? recently I guess but this is a very experienced driver. I know John renewed his Did he get another endorsement? You don't pay for the renewal of their license No, but you have to read the exam. No, no, no once you have it you're done Unless you give it up. Okay. Well, is that the CDL license on the very amount flavor that uh, that they do their Like their physical their health exam. It's probably so it sounds like they probably I mean, that's what the billboard says, you know, annual medical exams or whatever So it sounds like they might be charging charging more But if we're paying for it because direct folks to go somewhere And get a contract and up to the central works pretty pretty closely with employers For all kinds of services Is that mandatory though for municipalities? To have the do2 physical. I know it's not required for the state I think it is dependent people. I think it is for the town, but not this not the state That's what I was asking. Maybe not do2 physicals I think that sometimes if you all have um, certain Things they would need to go more often Yeah No, I know what you're saying. I I understand because the state the state drivers do not have to have a But I thought I thought the municipal ones were didn't have to have this That I could be them um Yeah, because of all the years on the select board, I never heard them talking about these do2 physicals Getting your license renewed from the dmv is one thing But going to concentra and having a do2 physical and you get this thing called the medical card That's a whole different ball of wax If you're subject to the federal voter carrier safety regulation that's going to stop physical every two years Physical must be performed by a national certified examiner So I mean these are required This is the vermont state website it doesn't say municipalities. I think it's anyone federal motor carrier safety regulation Right but to maintain the uh, the cdl they have to They have to get the exam well I think what what rose is saying is that they might be exempt from that so the only time that they would be It's susceptible to having that would be if they're driving outside of the town Meaning they're not working for the town at that time They're driving so you know come drive my trap type idea So they might not have to have them through the town Because she's saying state the state does not require any of their drivers to have one So it doesn't sound like we need to add that in to the budget Um, not only that we there's only five people So if you go to the right place, it'll be under five hundred dollar All right, can we move on from total wages and benefit from wages and benefits or is there any more on that piece? At the moment, we're going to leave the Education and training at five hundred, but we're going to look into cost of cdl And how often and may change it. Okay. I can find that out tomorrow Okay, whether they are not because I know a few of the road foremen's and they would know that Whether they have to actually The hra highway is for five full time Is that No, only for those who are taking it Yeah, this budget is based on five full time time. Okay And one of them opting out opting out. Yeah Maybe that won't be the case Good to budget for it All right road maintenance I think toby's really sharpened his pencil on this and he got it down Well, we took the roadside milling out. Remember that was 20 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's right That was 28 And yet we only decreased it by two thousand seven hundred. Okay. I take back what I said Anybody seen if you're there Okay vehicle maintenance equipment maintenance and fuel Boy There we also had a decrease. Why do we have a decrease? This is this is a fuel I'm not sure what the story is Just fuel cheaper diesel fuel. No, I think that that went back to the conversation around the Uh the conversation about replacing the truck with diesel trucks So we were going to be living out of our Shocked diesel supply as opposed to paying For cast for one of the trucks Which Okay So I guess that is what it is then uh town garage Kind of flatlined there. What are we? We're only salting a county road, right? Well, any of the salting portions what's kind of is by far the longest light. We don't read Little piece on the Marshfield road a little a little bit in front of the post office and then From East Calis up to Marshfield Did you see that article on the grinding? Yeah, they had a thing in npr2. Yeah, it doesn't really apply to us Well, I know I wasn't necessarily saying Yeah, we should purchase the equipment. I was just saying purchase the brine and save on the salt But I think it requires some truck equipment Okay, moving on to insurance. I don't think we have any Nothing we can do about those increases Yeah part of that is due to More hours in the budget right because our last year's budget only had four people So we're presenting more And then rates went up and that's just based on experience, you know This is all through the passive which is a division of the league And so we do get rebates, you know, we're in some of the mutual situation, but These are the new rates Highway grant expenses. Do we get reimbursed for these? These are our portion of the grants that we're receiving. Well, for example, I thought on the Kent Hill scoping We didn't have any obligation to do that one, but now I see We've got an $11,000 obligation Those documents we signed just didn't say anything about a match Anybody anybody I believe I thought it was a match that's getting paid out of the ARPA For the Kent Hill scoping it's not on the list And there's a lot of question marks by the French mattress And why is that But I think in part there's reticence and part of the recruit that they Believe their equipment is not adequate To do the job and involve some very large rocks. There's concerns about how they're gonna stage it. It's a marshy area so to be able to Get someone to come and bring the materials like giant rocks and have them stage there and then they could do it Can we get them from the dentist fondant? Those are a little bit big Those are a little bit big Yeah, so I think that's up in the air on whether or not they've got the How are we going to get get clarity on that one? Engineer or anything or is it just kind of a general scope of the project I mean it's right now Like it would be from x-point to x-point and but I don't know that they have like an engineering Company or something coming and do it I think I just wondered with like the amount of work that you know I know toby was saying that there's a lot of work and a lot of roads and mileage that got improved and that we can you know Focus on a big project next year Etc etc, but I think there was a lot of deferred maintenance that That we skipped this year road, you know mowing. It was one of them I think there's a lot of roadside work across the entire time that needs to be done and you know considering the specialization of that particular project. I wonder if that could just be tabled for like a a three-year kind of And I think taking out of the budget for now Happy to have it contracted out I mean we do have 60,000 just under 60,000 dollars in matching not matching but in grant funds Um for road work between what was waived this year and what we were given for next year And there's and that's with the segments Right which roads are those for the loose road? No, so they're not listed here So you know when you I can show you that one that we had done for this year, but you identify Uh portions of roads that need extra dishing or Water needs to move better Crowning all those sorts of things basic road stuff for them, but it's far. That's connected to other places that are wet, right? That have more water. That's what yes that are connected to although you can include non Segmented portions because like if it's going down a hill you want to capture everything coming down otherwise it ruins what you're doing, but But that would allow us to really spruce up The parts of town that didn't get taken care of because some roads we mean Beautiful, but then other roads really got a whole lot of nothing except for like one path of that long or they were like so I don't know how long we can hold on to the french mattress money, but That's what I was going to say. It looks like I would probably prefer to have it bid it out I think you're going to spend a lot more money. Yeah, it's kind of way more expensive. I think I think you should know it's so cheap because we can like We we got a certain amount of credit for using our own labor for that I think uh you contract the the Trucking of the bigger rock out so that you don't destroy their truck Because those chains are very expensive I think you contract that part out and let them do the work I mean I'd have to actually see how like how long of a section it is and what yeah Exactly Is this project calendar for This year Yeah, but I mean there'll be a lot of pieces we need to close that section of road Off entirely because I know there was discussions about doing it in segments or doing it all in one length and doing it all in one length because it's wrapped in the fabric Right, how long is it? Oh god, I want to say like 300 It's it's the it's the whole stretch with Yeah, it's fiber that How low isn't that power thing is used to be I think it's pretty basic Yeah, my recommendation would be to not knowing much about this project leave it in there and let's have toby come in Yeah, I think so we can talk about the various options for saving our equipment Okay, so we're going to ask toby will he be back on the 18th? I mean we were Thursday He'll be back Thursday We may have to have a meeting of I hope a short one on the 18th to finish up these little odds and ends If that's all right, but we'll talk about that in a few minutes So let's not change anything there for now Anything else on highway grant expenses The east callous bridge. That's silver at Moscow. Oh my gosh, are we ever going to do that? Are we finally I mean I see There's 10,000 in here and we've got a grant of a hundred thousand Yeah to do it. I don't know they went back or I I don't know where toby was able to get with that over this summer Are we to my knowledge? Gosh, I think back when Rick was still on this like board Okay, so we'll head back over and looked at it, but I don't know that they were back to look at it This summer we just had the same thing. Well, then that's one again to ask toby about Yeah, because that would be because that one definitely needs something capital expenses He says this this is where the 42,000 is you see that the 2023 west star dump 10 I don't mean that Wheeler That money actually needs to be bumped into it was purchased and we do need to pay that this year So we need to add 42,000 into this or we can take it out of the reserve fund, right? We just added 40,000 to the reserve fund Well, I thought we added it to pay for the boomer well We already have Certain amount of the reserve fund Yeah, yeah, we'll have to I think that's another one for next time then And the good news is we are going to be able to reduce the there's 23 in here for the mower and we got that down to 18 Okay Yes, you have more that's principal. You've got 20. Yeah, that's what you were talking about. So that's 2000. It's not 42,000, but It's something So I think we're going to have an increase there, aren't we are we likely to but maybe you'll find it Okay So I think we're going to have to Come back to this next monday You're all okay with meeting next monday These sleeping monday nights are Okay Social service appropriations everybody's level funded here, right? There's a new one No Old west church came down Oh, somebody came uh, I don't I don't have in front of me. I emailed it to everybody Old west church is down a lot. Well, they asked for a bunch of everything because last year was their 200th Anniversary and so they asked for a big one and they brought it back down But so not everybody's level funded And there's a new one that got added this year But I I emailed that out to everybody Washington central friends of education, right? That was the new one. It's 800 But then washington county diversion program For 300 it is not in again. That's correct So it's down What a Thousand dollars if you add in the four thousand that we paid To her to spawn association for the hand railings, which was not requested or budgeted last year. We're down Over five thousand dollars But from what was requested last year. We're down about a thousand Any comments on that one at all, okay Kellogg Hubbard library came in asked for an increase he made a presentation Fire departments Those are their budgets. They voted on them Maybe we'll get better at working with them over the next year or so anything on there So an increase of 16,000 Uh, oh the cemetery we don't know yet It's in here Of course that as you say that is a separate article, but Uh, they were I thought they were meeting last week They were working on putting together a meeting last week to finalize their budget and submit their article But I don't think they did need Okay, so we'll just leave it at what it was last year then Michael told me if anything they're going to bring it they think they're going to bring it down. Okay I know they're struggling with the issue of a very expensive new fence at the old west church cemetery And they were hoping to get the old west church to Pony up, but they got a lot less from them than they were hoping So that's going to be Coming up whether it's this budget or next budget Is the is the cemetery owned by the old west church There's owned by town I'll follow up with them because they were scheduling a meeting for last week But then the nothing was ever worn. So I'll find out what the status is on that. Okay Emergency management reserve That's a thousand Which is different we did they were also in the main part. This is one we set we vote on separately. Is that why that's Which one are we talking about? I'm back. I'm on emergency management reserve. Okay. I got it So the 500 we voted last time was for operating and this is reserve. Okay So there we are We've now been through the budget once So I would suggest we take a look at it again We have a meeting next monday for maybe just an hour or two to try to finish this up That worked for you all six o'clock I know I'm sorry, but budget season's almost over. It's definitely not gonna snow next month It's a busy time There seems like a routine now This is the third one in a row Yeah So that'll be warned as a special meeting only solely for the purpose of marking up the budget There'll be no other business at that meeting Um Kari you want some authorization Oh, because we're not meeting again and you're going to need to sign the But we are meeting next monday Um Yes, but that won't be it. It's on december 25th that we would do it because it's every two weeks We want to pay on our you know And our cycles so will somebody move to authorize kari to approve release of checks on the warrants produced after december 11th And before december 31st So move and moves it Do we have a second jamey seconds all in favor? I okay And you'll send us the same Yeah, and you'll have a double staff on january Oh god Um kurtis pondam Jamie okay The first thing we have is a letter of support Um for a grant that the cpa has been Hard at work applying for from the law after a recreation economic collaborative Um, it's a grant that has a Pool of a little over six million dollars um, and it's specifically for preserving public recreation Opportunities the minimum amount you're allowed to apply for is 50 000 dollars So they're looking at big chunks of money for projects We think this project fits really nicely Um, marge and laura and others have put in a lot of work on the application. They've done a great job Uh, we're asking for 500 000 dollars Um, and if we get it we're in great shape Um, we won't know about the grant until mid-march But we're hopeful that this will help cover the funding gap that we currently have Or completely cover the funding gap that we currently have in an ideal world So we've drafted a letter of support From the select board. It's been it was in the folder for last Week and it's been around for this week Um And so if folks have looked at it or I have a hard copy here Um, we would like a motion to authorize and to Sign it on behalf of this select board It's just one of the one of the components of the application is letters of support from Various folks I thought it was a good letter Yeah Do you have a hard copy to sign? If somebody will Any questions for jamie? Would somebody like to move? Um, authorize me to sign the letter So moved Okay, do we have a second? No second And seconds all in favor I I suppose I'm still abstaining And with jamie abstaining There you go jamie. And is it actually on the letterhead? Uh, it's Looks like it's on letterhead. It's like a draft offset there Great. Oh dear I missed that Do we I mean I can get this To the application is due Friday Okay If if she wants a cleaner copy we can Well, I'm sure we have a Can you scan that so we have a copy of the town office? Yes Yep If you want me to email Marge and ask her to send me the word document I can put it on the letterhead. Yeah, I can run over to the town office tomorrow and sign it In any case before Whatever you guys say Okay, so jamie you'll let us know. Yeah, does somebody let me know if they want me to go sign it? Okay um Jamie update us on what's going on now So we got um, just a couple hours ago a updated quote From the Heber Construction They got final numbers, uh from d and k on amounts of concrete and other final design specs Um, their current proposed budget came in at That 982 thousand dollars It combined with the anticipated Other expenditures that are coming down the pike Puts the project budget If you include a safety net at about 1.2 million Um, which leaves us with a funding well We've already spent 30 or 40,000 so it leaves us with this funding gap of somewhere just over $300,000 Which hopefully the vorac grant which the vorac grant there's a there's a You know the chance that the vorac grant would fill Um, we still have a bunch of fundraising underway and we've been waiting For this final number to come in Um, so that we can go to a number of our big donors And and big and small donors and say now's the time Um, so we'll we'll have be having that go out before the end of the year probably And hopefully start closing that gap But we need to move forward, uh, and I may pass this to kari, but the um The bond bank application is due this week Monday And so we are looking to authorize kari and sandra to Submit that final application Which as we said each of the steps along the way Does not yet commit us to taking the money It just moves the step moves the process one step forward further We could still if you know spring comes or march comes and Uh It looks like the project's going to be delayed We would still have an opportunity to reject the bond and and not encumber those fees Could you word of motion for us as to what you need us to do? um, I believe it is a motion to authorize sandra to Finalize and submit the Bond application for $450,000 If you authorize her to proceed with starting the application, I think so I think we authorized her to start it, but not Is there a significant application fee? To submit that bond Yeah, I don't know I have never I haven't heard of uh It's probably the closing costs Right, I think the last one primarily was getting Authorizing the lawyer to do his pieces. Yeah, I was going to say there's lawyer fees associated. Yes Is that did you get that Well, do we want to include for Estimated project cost of 1.2 million and that's that's And we're there's a lot of assumptions Yes, there are that's our best guess at this stage And that's one of the pieces that we've been missing in the application is it wants A broader picture of the full project costs and so with these numbers we can start to Piece in that section of the application. Are you saying that needs to be in the motion? I don't know. I don't know just that that seems to be like that's the Most important piece of information. I think we're presenting to you tonight is that We have a $1.2 million project. We think and a $300,000 funding gap Right, but in terms of this motion the bond is for right. Yeah, the bond is 450. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yes Just the bond application require approved minutes Of the motion you guys are getting ready to make because We need to figure out how to get approved minutes before Monday meetings So Because I know when I'm not having transactions on behalf of the town They won't do it until we give them the approved minutes where you guys voted to do it so My understanding is that they the bond bank is pretty flexible in terms of allowing us to complete the application that they They you know, they want us to make an honest effort to get it started and they will help us Completed now there may be some pieces like that that they want right off the bat, but I I just don't know the answer Yeah, it sounds like they've been really good working with sandra and Okay, flexible with having the pieces come in The other thing that I think we should raise is that where we had some flexibility with You know Accepting the bond or not in there by deciding whether to go we have less flexibility with larry. Hebert the contractor Right. He he will be patient only for a certain amount of time And then you're the end of january. He'll want us to sign a contract Right. He he didn't give specific dates But he alluded in our meeting or after our meeting that that by the end of january If he didn't have a pretty firm commitment from us, then You know, he's committing a big chunk of his crew for For pretty key months of the building season So if we're not pretty solidified by mid to late january, he's said he'd have to consider looking at other jobs What was the bond amount that was approved by the town town meeting 450 That's what we're talking about. The question is do we pursue it now? We go and apply for it and start the process of securing that financing based on What we're presenting to you tonight And the second cycle is Like may yeah apply may and get it in summer Too late for this too late, right? So how is so we're not applying for a 1.2 million dollar bond. We're no we're just stating that that's the project cost. Yes Associate with the bond application Exactly. Got you 450 from the bond. We have 270 from the Curse point association in the community center. We have the ARPA monies and we have a little bit in the reserve fund balance for the I have a question so There was originally two bidders on this, correct And Larry came up with this idea to change this with Du Bois and king. Yes Did the other bidder have the same option to reprice the project? Yes, we approached both bidders To and met with each bidder For the purpose of allowing them to offer suggestions Both offered suggestions initially And only one of them continued the conversation with us and came up with this alternative plan But both had equal opportunity to do so The cost is the same as the original bids Now Two were they more right the original bid Were 1.15 and 1.25 And now this is 980 Okay, so the previous bids didn't include the total cost. No, that was still just construction cost Yes Okay Now you're 1.2 is that that's a cuba. What else is involved in that then if the if the project is only So the construction is 982 We're estimating 1.2 based on The 60 or so we've already spent on engineering costs Plus a proposed contract from d&k for construction oversight Which is anticipated to be I think 92 90 or 92 Um, and then a few other miscellaneous, you know all the permitting fees there's a little bit of Aquatic endangered species mitigation that we need to hire a botanist and move a couple Browsies So just sort of miscellaneous This soft cost And I have not read the email Super thoroughly that we got just before this meeting but He did offer Three other areas That could reduce that 982 And just off the top of my head it looked like You know Depending on which of the options we took it He had ideas of Shaving maybe another 75 off of that Some of which we may be able to do and so we may not depending on You don't really know what state requirements, right? Yeah So rose we have a motion. Would you read it to us? Jamie made a motion to authorize Sandra fervor to submit the bond bank application For 450,000 For a total and I wrote a total estimated full project cost of 1.2 million Okay, so james moved that do we have a second? Second Is there anything else any further discussion? We all ready? Okay, all in favor. I With jamey abstaining. Is it okay that I moved it if I'm abstaining? I don't know Okay, thank you jamey anything else on Curtis pond we all sound I think that's it. Okay. Thank you all. Um Jordan I anything on it. Nope Anything on shed Did we move me? Did we tow the truck? I don't know if it was actually towed. They called it They said they were trying to get out there today What we did Gotcha. Oh, okay Tegan, would you like to tell us some stuff? Oh, I would love to say some stuff Two things are on there. Which one is first? The time meeting morning party and I put together a draft of the time meeting morning I tried to get all the language in there appropriately and then he said he would plug in some of the numbers that I didn't have Which I did so it should be in your folders. It's pretty straightforward We don't have anything wild on there. We haven't had before It's you all are going to prove it. It's going to go to the lawyer If we want to do that, it needs to be done by january 22nd at the absolute latest So it's not a huge pressing deadline at the moment But we wanted to get started and make sure we the whole triple check everything This might be a wild addition and I think I added it in there as a possible other Is the possibility of asking the town for permission to buy a new creator Which would not be part of next year's budget, but We'd be approved so we can go out and I think we should I think we need one. We need to get going on that Anybody have any thoughts? So that would be a that'd be a 10-year loan and so we would have to put it on Anything more than five So we would put it on but it wouldn't we wouldn't be asking for any money for this next fiscal year for it Yeah, I what is that all right with you guys? Yeah, would you put it on and we'll take a look at it Um, we don't need to put the boomer on because it's under the current. Yeah, okay All right Um, didn't you already put the one about asking? You have No, I'm looking at the to be added to ask questions about the reports of town boards and officers. I see that that's um Number four article four. That's so that it was taken off the last couple years and we didn't know if we wanted to put it back That's what town meetings about I don't know why I got taken off. I haven't gotten to the bottom of that yet Uh, I was supposed to meet the duty today, but we Well, maybe we're taken off because of covid two years we didn't meet We had a zoom informational session I mean anybody disagree with me And jan's working on the language still as far as I know about changing that Allocation of unspent highway department funds to equipment funds. Oh, yes That one again Do you guys all remember the history on this one? You you would know. Well, apparently what it's about five or six years ago 2015 There was a request um, that whenever there was any money or there was a motion that whenever there was any money left in the highway Budget it would automatically roll into the highway equipment fund For the next fiscal year and somebody um amended it to say only for that year So we have to vote on it every year We were wondering if we could try again to make it. We always do it. We don't have to vote on it every year Is that sum it up? Well, there's a little bit more of the story which is It was either misunderstood or forgotten And we've been doing it There would be only for that year And the town kept Doing it added the nine of Mattel several years later. We realized Oh, it was a white Yeah, the one who discovered it. Yeah that that it was supposed to be one year only so it's been practice For the for many years, but we have to stop at what's realized. We were doing it erroneously. So we're Rose It was a very honest mistake, let's So, uh, the question is should we put it on again? Anybody have a problem with putting it on again? And for and saying forever. That's another saying forever saying, okay. Well, let's try. Okay I'm sure the same person will get up and try to change it again And that's what we figured but it's worth putting up there to discussion What happens to the funds if they're not in there? I mean Then they would Put it sit back the taxpayers in the form of a reduction of their tax bill I say And then the delinquent tax, you know, I don't see anything yet not on mine. No, we're we're going to talk about this name Well, no, we're deferring it to the january 8th, but We'll have a just a preview of a proposal to consider increasing the tax I saw it on the warning. You didn't have it on the warning. Yeah, consider the possibility you were thinking about Well, we have to announce the tax rate on the warning period, but I mean, I assumed it was oh shall a delinquent tax penalty be said at 3% I assumed that was an increase. What do we have? No, three is what it is. Three is why it's been. Oh, and three is very very low What are you going to propose raising it to? The max is eight. A lot of towns do eight. Most towns do eight percent And uh, sandberg pointed out that right now what we make from delinquent tax funds does not cover the delinquent tax collector salary Which you thought was an interesting point. How much did we get last year? Do you know or approximately? Well, we'll provide all this. Yeah, at all. Oh, okay. That's right. You're putting this on this time. I'm sorry Don't think about it with all this. Anything else on my mind? Scrooge, oh The other thing I had on there was the personnel policy Uh, and and Jordan and Kari and before Sandra Barbara We've all sort of put our hands on it and tried to make it better. There's no huge sweeping changes I would say we did some updates to some language. We aligned a lot of things with the labor union contract To sort of make them mesh a little better and now there's language that says that we'll supersede this document And so we have a draft of that it has gone to the lawyer or we'll go to the lawyer right that was the next step Are you looking at me? Yeah Then I will do that I will be sending it to the attorney uh to get it looked at uh before we bring it to you all But there is a draft available for you to produce and if you have questions So before you send it to power at churney, you can One of the conversations the very early conversations I had with uh The contact from vltc was that they would review it That is Somewhat free service Why do we need to send it to other attorney than if their attorneys will look at it? That's why I'm saying we should start there So we'll send it to them And if they have any flags that they were like maybe you should think about this or send it somewhere You know to your own attorney, but They are attorneys. So yeah They have one dedicated to this So I'm wondering if you want to get select word feedback first So if so so that vlc t is looking at what We are actually proposing if we make any changes from select word change edits Well, I would slow the whole thing down Well, except that if she sends it if an attorney looks at it And then you guys make changes to it does it would you we need to ask the attorney to make look at it a second time? Well, so I guess Well for one Because it was largely an exercise in trying to align things equitably with the With the contract that was negotiated with and myself and jamie The only one that would have input for changes would likely be Don either And and I don't think there would be too many and also I guess another caveat is like the vlc won't be able to Offer any kind of like legal judgment They could probably just offer soft advice, but it wouldn't count officially as like a legal review. I don't think So Just have to caution how we're at what we're asking for because it'll be pretty quick to say like this isn't a legal Clarified they were very curious to see what it what it would look like relative to our work to align it with the labor contract and Working in between the two models So do you Should I send it to vlc to you first? Yeah, do you have the contact? I think you were on that original? Yes, I do have the contact information um One final fun thing. I've been working with the road crew. They got a new truck They got a new plow last year the kids at the elementary school got to name the state plow and so John Stafford and I are going to go Hopefully soon They're working out to the three four class and we're going to talk about the road crew and the truck and what the truck will do And what the road crew does and what haven't done us no day and like a little civic c lesson because three four is the Great when they usually do this And once they know what the truck does and they have a little more information They're in the truck and we're hopefully going to get the name On the truck and then we'll come back john says they can bring all the trucks if we want and Have all the kids look at all the trucks. So that's we're trying to it was a fun thing last year But this year we're trying to make it more of a civics minded community lesson That would be fun I don't know daniel was going to get back to me. She was still talking about daniel's the secretary at the school She was finding a good time with The three four teacher to do it cool, but I think soon I feel like it's before the break john Wow Not on one day He wanted to go the day it was Last days Cari do you have anything? Yeah, just a few things One of our road crew members had an injury on friday Um, they went to the emergency room to check out and they were they're okay. There was um, essentially no mist time Just a little bit of medical expenses. So sweet with that Um, I mentioned the interviews. We're going to be interviewing hopefully three different people Is toby isn't here for that toby will be part of that. Oh, you said he's thursday um so Just checking in about our cash situation one of the orders that you approved was I don't know if you notice this 1.5 million to the school district so We will have about a million left in the bank after that And so we're going to be looking at accessing our line of credit or potentially going for this Municipal loan fund to the bond bank. Have we learned anything about that? Yeah, I know what I have a webinar tomorrow One of the key questions is is there um Is prepayment early repayment the possibility because if it's not Depending on the length of the loan, I think it was seven years Yeah, yeah that yeah um And let's see in the treasure world It did go to a training last week about I-9s and w-9s are going to be submitted electronically And there is uh, it's starting next this next tax season. There's just a lot of rigor around that because we're dealing with the irs and And the bond application is now going to be top priority We've got a week to get this thing in and there's there's a fair bit to it So that's going to be a lot and then starting to think about The sanders transition and that's something that's raising my blood pressure a little bit. So That's going to be a major transition obviously Which reminds me I meant to ask you I notice you've budgeted the full 16,000 for toby So you're thinking he'll stay on for another year um That's in there as a placeholder and you know Yeah, so we assume if something's going to give and I can't take that on Yeah, you know that that seems like a Okay, a useful thing because we're committed to you know going a different direction with uh with the treasurer. Yep That was it And what about hiring a bookkeeper? What are you doing about that? Well, I've got a I'm going to have a conversation with wendy wilton who was last year's treasurer worksman at brick and Depending on that goes where you may start advertising soon Because to take a while these days. Yeah, I mean would sand to leave before you got a bookkeeper on board um Well, hopefully she wouldn't leave before march, but she's pretty clear that march is her deadline She is willing to continue doing the delinquent tax collection if we need her to but she's Thinking about what's next for her for sure, but we have until March then to get this bookkeeper Right, but that'll kind of be here so soon. Yeah That's right Anything else It occurs to me we could just continue this hearing so I would like to continue this hearing until six o'clock next monday this hearing sorry this meeting and Are the uh Okay, it's like there's sign Um, all right, um, and with that I think we're we're adjourned for now You're Continued we're continued. Yes until next monday at six o'clock Same time same place. Will it be budget only do we want to ask rose if she can be in attendance take minutes Oh, I it will be budget only rose. I don't think you need to be here We may need an executive session Um to discuss Uh-huh. All right. Well, I think we can manage anyway. We'll be fine And we don't need to work out No, I don't think so real Okay Are you guys all in agreement with that? Yeah, anything's up. Okay All right, close up. Good night. Thank you. Good night