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Here comes the show Hey, I got a question for you guys. Hmm. Can you remember? The most impactful teachers that you had growing up or first off how many really teachers Yeah, like how many really impactful school teachers that you have and then okay, so you're saying one one All right, what about you Justin? Yeah one. I mean, I'm honestly. It's like they're insignificant. This is global shout out to miss Yeah All joking aside What separate and trust me there's a direction here what separated these impactful teachers from all the other because you obviously had Probably 30 teachers a more in your entire life. Yeah, what separated this one teacher from the others the the irony of mine was It was a subject that I I don't think I'm very good at but she helped build self-belief in me So that was the big thing, right? So and I've shared a little bit about it on the show where it was English, right? So and you guys know like I just I can't put a full sentence together if my life to put it on it I have Grammatically challenged right so writing stuff, but yet I found myself in advanced English. Isn't that great? Yeah, and it's because of her though because she instilled that in me right like even though she I my papers would come back Chocked with red right because I you know all the grammatical errors all time But what she always encouraged me about and said I was really good at was was putting my thoughts on paper Like I had the ability to take whatever we were reading or learning and then put it on paper The way the structure of it was awful But my thoughts were powerful and she made me or she made me feel that they were powerful and that I was really good at that And so it inspired me to work at that and get better at writing and still to the this day Justin may remember some of this But I actually used to write emails to like the VPs and and presidents of our company when we work for 24 our fitness for other managers Because I had a really good I had the ability to take like okay. This is what your desired outcome is right This is like how you need to say this Then they would have to go edit it because the grammar would be all messed up But the what the delivery of what I was trying to convey. I was really good at that all came from her Yeah, well the teeth the truth is you are a good communicator So she was so and what you said was really interesting is she gave you a sense of self belief, right? Which is a big deal Justin what about for you? Um, yeah, I don't really have like a specific. I think for me it was mainly like He was a really dumb kid. Yeah General the only way with a degree. Yeah, I actually got more impact from my coaches grown up for the most part And that was just mainly a mindset thing for me like for school for me I got interested in certain subjects And so it was very much like anatomy physiology like biomechanics like, you know the sciences like those were the things that stimulated me So I did have one impactful Professor that was teaching chemistry and I hated chemistry because anything where I had to like memorize everything like I was terrible Like memorizing like formulas and like put on but you would make it so interesting to where it would show Like actual experiments and make it fun and blow stuff up and you know It was just like whoa like it could be it could be cool and like there's it translates to real things It's not just like I'm living in this textbook and trying to regurgitate Whatever it was that I just read it was like actionable So that was that was probably you know the the person that I can think of is we called him boomer Because he just blew everything out, you know, you know, it's funny Did you sell I did and it's like one one or two right and you know, the reason why I'm talking about this is I was talking with someone about good trainers and coaches and How really what a good Trainer is at the end of the day and people might not realize this But they're really good teachers because the goal of a trainer Isn't just to take you through a workout like it would be like a teacher just taking you through the exercises of your Arithmetic or of your writing but the difference between that kind of a teacher Which is a majority of teachers and the great ones is they? Emboldened you they empower you to do it yourself and a really good trainer has the that that's the goal Right is to get that that client To the point where yes, they come and do what you say and that's what clients think that they're hiring you for But when you do a really good job you empower them so that this is something that they do on their own they developed that relationship with Exercise that lasts a lifetime. So that's really what it's all about is can I create that for this person? I just tell them what to do take them through a workout when they show up, right? But be like that teacher because and the reason why I brought that up is here. We are grown men, you know, we're all you know Either almost 40 or in our early 40s and we still can think back to that one or two teachers That had that impact. That's how big of a deal it was well. Yeah I mean it I think it changes the complete trajectory that my life probably went on from that point on like up into that point That was something I was probably insecure scared about wouldn't do and then it ends up becoming Potentially a strength of mine, which is I think crazy and that a coach has that ability to do that to find that in somebody and go like this Maybe a weakness right now, but inspire them to find the strength within that right and change how that person's gonna be forever Yeah, some people are blessed and they have I mean I've had people tell stories about Several teachers. Oh this teacher and that teacher. It's like I know I'm almost jealous because even my brother like he became a teacher because he had such a great impactful teacher that Really like kind of took him under his wing and and you know fostered that whole Desire to learn more and and and do what he does and so like I just didn't have that dude Like I was always just like sort of in class getting through watching the clock and then trying to you know make people laugh I was just like I was so bored, you know I wasn't gonna bring this up, but this conversation is is got me thinking about the post that I just did the other day Um, I reposted I don't know if you guys saw the tweet that Zuby put out and I did a poll to ask people and this This kind of is on the same lines of what we're talking about right now and the the tweet He did said I'm fairly convinced that if you leveled the playing field and gave everybody $25,000 to start that within five years most of the people who are currently rich would be rich again And those who are currently broke would be broke again. Yeah, and I got a lot of DMs of people that disagreed Right that think that if you know if part of why a lot of people are broke is because they didn't have the teachers and the Financial literacy or education and if they had that then they too wouldn't I said well I don't know if I fully agree with that because I didn't have that Now do I think if my parents would have given me that would I got to a certain place earlier than what I am now? Possibly, but then I could also make the argument too that I value it more because I didn't have it And it was later in life when I did finally seek it out myself And so when I got that information I put it to practice versus if it was just you know Your parents are that's one of my fears as it as a dad now is Because I'm already strong like I've already got the books for max when he's like five And then not like I've already thought that out of like I want to teach him You know in the cash flow game and like I'm gonna teach him all these things You know, but I always the fear in the back of my mind always is you know If I indoctrinum with all this this financial literacy early on will it just become like a Second thought to him and not a big deal between that and also when we had Joe to see now on and he's bringing up like trying to create adversity and create these challenges So there's struggle right and there's To be able to present that in a way where You know, it's going to help to grow and foster this, you know, sort of work ethic and overcoming you know mindset versus like being Given everything at your disposal and then You know not necessarily Growing and developing the way we want our kids to it's an interesting debate I feel like I could argue it either way. I mean, where do you stand on it? It's a classic argument of nature versus nurture And there's a couple things though first is that learning is more than just knowing the steps, right? So if you're taking a person and you want to Teach them the steps to Eating right and exercising so they could take a test and write them down That's one thing if you want to teach them so that they live it for the rest of their life That's a completely different thing That means I have to go through and understand the skill and how to apply it and the value and How to you know the discipline and how to deal with not being motivated and all that stuff That's a completely different thing. And then the second part is this is a classic nature versus nurture thing for example Would LeBron James be good at basketball if you never practiced or trained basketball? I would argue yes, but he would not be as good. He is now be great. Yes Would I be a better basketball player if I practiced basketball since I was a kid? Yes, will I ever be as good as LeBron James is now? No, right? So it's a nature versus nurture. So I think you have your potential Well, what about in something like this or like like zubies tweet like related to I agree with that I do I agree with that because a lot of people think the reason why they're not successful is they didn't have money to begin with Or lack the opportunity, right? But I I think A lot of that has to do with the look here's the deal. I grew up I was raised by poor immigrants with no education. They started with no money But I will say I learned a lot of skills from my parents in terms of working hard saving money and not going into debt I learned very basic financial skills from I didn't learn investments and stuff like that because They never had the money to do that And that's the stuff that people were debating me is just like, you know, if you knew what to invest in when you were I mean, I know I didn't that's the that's the second part. Right. The first part is Do you know how to work live within your means? And not go into debt most people don't know that it's like this It's like, do you know how to not eat enough not overeat and you know how to count your macros very basic And most people don't know that when it comes to and that's the millionaire next door It covers that that the number one thing that all millionaires had in common is the ability to live They ever there's like tons of millionaires and all different out like all different ways They made their millions But the one thing they all had in common was the ability to live Significantly below their with their means, right? Yeah, because if even if you knew that Strategically, you knew the how to invest like Like you went to go invest and you made all the right decisions with that Like and it just was something that was an opportunity given to you But you didn't go through the steps Of valuing money and like learning to earn it, you know in a certain degree and then make those investments You may just make you know a wild investment and then lose it all Because like you think that same playbook's gonna apply. Yeah, I'll tell you what I I know somebody personally who passed away And I know them personally they earned they were big earners in most of their working career Okay, they were really really good at what they did made lots of money died left their family with debt because They lived at the they lived above their means then I know people who You know blue-collar workers, they didn't make a ton of money But they lived a particular way they lived below their means they didn't go into debt And they were able to retire early and have a nice nest egg to take care of themselves So that's rule number one and I tell you what I know people who struggle with money Who are adults and I know them personally and you look at their spending habits And it's like they spend money on like and I know this sounds silly but add it up Starbucks all the time cigarettes going out to eat five million streaming services. Oh, it's christmas time We're gonna spend $250 on our kids for their presence and we're gonna you know Oh, oh, I I have enough money to afford this car payment So rather than looking at the cost of the car they go squeeze how much they can make a car payment And they constantly are pushing it and it's like well, that's why you're always living that way So that's it's not the investment aspect. Yeah, that might take you to like a whole another level But if I think if you and this is a as a fact look at the average americans debt It's insane. Well, nor is it necessarily the opportunity either I I actually think to bring it back full circle to how this conversation started The teacher has a lot to do with this like you could have a parent who Can teach you about finances that may not be wealthy and you have a lot of success that way So I think that Actually can have more of an impact than not like or have a parent that doesn't at all and you grew up in In a bad situation and then you just fall in the same pattern So I think back to the whole coaching point how impactful a good coach and teacher can be A good coach or teacher could teach a lot of this stuff And I know we've moved over to money and finances, but it's it's the same thing, right? Well, there's those studies on my favorite ones are the studies on lottery winners Where they'll follow lottery winners and the majority of them If if you're if they start out in financial distress And then they win, you know, 10 million dollars 20 million dollars I forgot what the timeline was was something like seven years later. They're usually back to where they were before After winning. Yeah, I think it's even faster than millions of dollars Which just you know and again, it's like this It's the sit here you change behaviors just like with fitness Yes, and I'm gonna I'm gonna use this analogy because our audience is a fitness minded And I know by saying that people like that's bullshit if I won 10 million or what okay Here's a different one If I could snap my fingers and make all americans fit and lean right now How long before they got back to their current level of unhealthiness? It would happen They wouldn't maintain it, right? Yeah, because this they didn't have the skills To continue doing that, right? So it's it's just you know It's one of those things is very challenging 70 of people who win a lottery or receive a large windfall Go bankrupt within a few years. Yeah, it's a majority Wow, yeah never learned how to you know, manage it probably By the way, what do you build a good favor? It's just like what you said It's okay a better example That's like just like this is somebody who goes and gets 30 pounds of fat lipo sucked out of their body. Yep Like that's a better example of like the lottery example like that's literally like winning the fat loss lottery or bariatric surgery That's what I mean, right? So you do something that dramatically just takes the weight off Over in a course of a month or two and you got you got to where you want to learn anything It's the same analogy with like going Mount Everest and getting dropped off by a helicopter Right, it's the journey cool. You made it. But did you learn anything? No Yeah, now take it a step further. What do what do kids learn in school about? Uh financial literacy and skills. What did you guys learn in school? Nothing zero Not a damn Thing I didn't they don't teach us debt credit cards loans. They didn't teach us anything They teach me how to become a professor. They don't want you to know anything about money. I think that's my opinion Yeah, no, I have a similar belief that they just want you to be another cog You know and just get into the system and just you know work and make a certain amount of money pay your taxes I mean that's where it's at and they all of course They don't teach you about really how to maintain your health either It's like some of the most important things that you could possibly learn I mean I had to learn, you know, I'll just me too is my personal story here What I learned from my parents were very basic skills again because my parents didn't have a high education and were poor And they learned what they taught me was don't spend a lot of money Save and don't go into debt which are the basic skills and it did take me far But as a young, I mean I was 1920 managing these big gyms I mean you're talking 1998, right? I was making Well into six figures as a kid living with my parents. So I was saving tons of money I did not learn anything about investments because my parents didn't understand investments Now had I learned that oh my god, I would have gone to the next level But the basic skills definitely took me, you know, a certain direction You know what I learned I learned to stop telling people to buy stocks and they're not buying it myself. Oh, bro That fucking keeps happening to me too great advice Adam Yeah, I've been killing it. I'm so tired of hearing about stocks I don't even want it. Where's where's the trump one at now? Well, the trump one's now down because I'm sure a lot of people sold Thank god, but it's that 68. I mean when we talked about it was like 20 Yeah, I love that and was there even an example of it or it was just people just buying on the speculation of what it was going to become Oh, bro, it's just because the news. Yeah, it's one of those news stocks, right? My favorite is still HubSpot. Yeah, I don't you know HubSpot's out now. I don't want to know. No, that's good I mean Adam, we need to know we need to talk about this bro. It's at $800. It was 87 bro 800 But that's a company that's gonna just yeah, I mean they're they're leading the way You know else another one too again. I don't have stock in them is tesla Tesla that one blows me away. Yeah, because of how crazy well Hertz just ordered A hundred hundred thousand signed a contract for a hundred thousand They're Hertz is going to move their whole their fleet into all teslas pretty much all teslas That's a hundred thousand cars. I think it's probably I did not see that coming big bulk of that Yeah, and then uh morgan stanley came out and said that that tesla will go all the way Over 1200. I think it's what they're predicting and they're like at 900 something right now Doug, maybe you can check me. I think I think tesla is at nine nine something And that and morgan stanley came out that it's there for sure till 12. Wow. That's a big order And if other rental companies follow suit, oh boy, that'll be massive. No, absolutely speaking of things that hurt Funny story. So I got it. I got I got to tell this story because it's just hilarious So last night so you guys know the night before I came into work. Wow, it's at a thousand right now tesla So you guys know the I came in to work the other day and I look like the walking dead because Our power went out because of the storm. Yeah, no sleep for you And we have my son who always sleep is always challenging for him He we have sound machines that are on and now he's used to that I didn't even think of this because he's now been raised. Bro. Hold on. So okay, he's raised I thought the same thing when you told your story. Well. No, no, I'll tell you he's raised with sound machines now Right. Yeah. So now without the sound machine kid can't sleep. Okay power goes out sound machines don't work The reason why I can't use my phone or our phones is because we couldn't charge our phones So our phones are at half power And I needed it to wake up the next day because we lot so Anyway from basically 2 a.m And on and off no sleep. So I came in here just totally dead So last night, uh, you know, I told Jessica like we need to go to bed. Hello early She was obviously tired too So she's like I'll go to bed like pretty much when he does and then hopefully I'll fall asleep So anyway, we go upstairs. She goes to bed 7 30 goes asleep and I'm like, you know what I'm still kind of wired Let me go downstairs and I'll come back up and when I'm tired. So about 45 minutes later. So 8 15 ish I walk upstairs This is funny story. This is a husband and wife story, right? I get into bed. I sneak in real quiet and I'm like, oh man My stomach god damn it and you ever have like a just you just drop heat in in the under the cover Oh, yeah, I touch oven. Oh bro, but it's safe. It's just air, but it's extra hot Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sharing a story, but this is hilarious because the sheets are down So I'm like it's safe if nobody moves, right? Of course. She turns over I'm like, please god, please don't hit and sure enough. I heard turned over. She just all of a sudden mother I'm like, oh, I'm sorry You're not a good husband and you don't you don't roll the opposite direction then let it creep out the back bro Yeah, that's a good husband. You're gonna have little escape hatches. Yeah You gotta you gotta roll the opposite direction and you gotta you gotta let it creep out the back It doesn't matter and a little bit at a time because if you go all of it at once The aroma will be too strong bro. It was bad. Oh, I felt so bad for it. You see here. I just hear a wake up mother Oh, I'm sorry You sure heard what happened to Katrina just the other day. So Katrina goes in and gets max It's like, I don't know. I think it's like four o'clock in the morning This is when we were up at truckie and she goes and gets max. He's you know She's like half it's like four in the morning and he wakes up and when he does that sometimes If it's like after four she'll go get him and she'll put him in the bed with her and let him sleep The rest away So she goes and it's all she keeps it all dark. So she doesn't wake up turn the lights on she scoops Him up puts him in the bed Lays down and she's laying there and right now mazzi's hurt like uh, his I don't know if it's arthritis or what and We didn't she didn't take him out that night So and she was all worried like because he's like because he can't get up and down the stairs And she tells me I couldn't walk him late at night I had max and couldn't figure out how to do it by myself And so I just you know crossed my fingers that he doesn't go in the house Well, all of a sudden she smells shit like really strong and she's like, oh my god She just it's 4 30 the morning now. I've scooped max up in here So she gets up and she's like using her phone to look on the carpet and stuff like that and she's like she doesn't see anything She's like, what the hell So I smell so strong like like like poop and so she turns her eye off crawls back in bed Again, like smells really bad. She's like, oh, maybe max is you know, how to had a poopy diver She she goes to check his poopy diver and he is covered in shit So he shit the bed and and like I mean it just like explode one of those explosions And she actually picked him up and brought him into our bed All like that and then now it's like all over her. She doesn't know till she turns the lights on And she's like she's covered in shit, bro Oh dude poor kid. Oh, I know she got up and just you know Obviously stripped the bed and then just did a bath with him and that's the two worst things in middle Night is that as a blowout or throw up? Have you had that yet where your kids like, uh, I'm I threw up and like, oh All over the wall, you know to do you're like, uh, get the garbage back. I don't know what to do Is there hose when you remember when max was little you remember that we went through that phase where he was learning To do that to make her to get her attention more kid We would watch him on the camera and he would this was he hasn't done this in a long time But he used to do this when he's like one where he would be looking at the camera Yeah Oh, yeah, bro. He knows where the camera's at and he knows that we could because I used to talk to the camera So he would look at the camera like after he cried for a little bit. Yeah, and then he'd look up there So So my my son he he's found his screaming voice apparently and so he just randomly screams Just loud at the top of Ah, now jessica is Sensitive to sound so she's the kind of person That she can only tolerate so much sound and how funny considering she married me, right? She she needs it quiet or whatever and he's screaming and she's like She'll text me. She's like I'm trying to maintain because I don't want him to know That it's really bothering me. Yeah. Yeah, because then he'll continue doing it So it's like I'm hoping this is a phase that'll pass But dude I come home and he's playing and just screaming he's going over there He's just screaming just screaming just because it's his favorite thing to do now I'm like, honey. I'm sorry. He took my genetics. You got a loud ass husband Kid now my bad So I wasn't gonna bring because I was just gonna try and like keep it for like a cool like Well, actually, I don't even know if it'd be a good butcher box commercial or not But it was like this moment. We're at the table and uh, I was talking to Everett in and Ethan And they had been getting into youtube videos and memes and they they love like watching all these memes and stuff And there's this one YouTuber that says vegan lady who's just, you know, really like aggressively Angry, you know, and so they're like, why is she so angry dad? They're asking me all these questions, you know about Veganism i'm trying to like, you know Under like have them understand like and be a little more empathetic like okay. Well, you know Like she's considering like the way that these some of these farms are set up is like, you know, this is like, you know Just horrendous like it's like they're Mistreating these animals or put them in these cages and like, you know Shoving all these like antibiotics in them. And you know, it's just like inhumane the way that, you know Some of these farms are set up and then I had to try and explain then uh, basically, uh, you know, like other ways of practices like You know, like a grass-fed grass finish and like having like free rain all this Actually ended up turning into a commercial. I started talking to them and this is why we have butcher box They're he mainly treated Right, and uh, and then this is where it got me because this is where I was like, okay This is my son, but also I had to have another conversation after this. He's just like, well dad I mean shouldn't be like this like you should just say that, you know, all the cows are racist What? That way we kill them and people are happy. Oh my god Oh my god, dude, like it's but I'm like, it's so wild how their brains turn at that age You know I'm saying this is this is the point where you know that that term has been watered down We only kill we only kill bad overused and so I was just like this term has been way overused And this is a real thing that's that's an evil thing and like here's why and all this kind of stuff But like, you know, you can just see how just throwing these terms out there So willy nilly about every little thing like this is what happens, dude Now it's not like respected for what it really is. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's totally true Well, speaking of like health and stuff like that. So I got two messages From uh, some of our listeners one of them was very interesting. So you guys remember when I brought up the supplement Agmeteen, you guys remember that? Okay, one of the one of the purported benefits of agmeteen is to help with Opiate withdrawal and I mentioned that in the on the show Well, somebody messaged me and says he goes sal he goes that was a godsend He goes I've been trying to come off of opiates because he's he's got an opiate problem where he takes, you know Like painkillers or whatever. He says that agmeteen has helped tremendous. So does it does it? Um, like A cratum does is it pair with the opiate receptors? Is that what helps it? How does it help? So the thing with cratum is then you'll go on with draws when you go off that Right, right, because I mean that's the downfall of cratum is that no no Agmeteen is not like that for whatever reason the way that it works with the neurotransmitters Is it just helps with the withdrawal? So when people go off opiates that take agmeteen And apparently according to the studies the withdrawal is much lower And so this guy messaged me and is like man, I feel like this is like a godsend. Huh? This was a big And it's not an opiate and it doesn't act on the opiate receptors So interesting very interesting and then I got another message about one of our sponsors organifies so You know the the products that we use in here most often are Like the green juice the pure and the protein And then we'll throw in the red juice here here and there once in a while But they have a lot of products and there's a lot of stuff that I've never used I I see the ingredients and it looks really interesting, but I've never used well Anyway, somebody messaged me and said that they Were using their liver reset product So they have a a supplement with compounds that help the liver You know with its health like artichoke and it's got dandelion root and milk thistle Anyway, they said that their liver enzymes were always kind of an issue They started taking it and they noticed a drug improvement and their energy Has gone up a lot as well now the ingredients in The liver reset have been shown in studies to have beneficial effect on the liver So it's not you know, there's there's proven benefits But they were mentioning how it's really improved their quality of life Yeah, I'm taking so it's cool to hear about that's interesting Yeah, because that was one of my markers when we were doing that whole life insurance thing Like I was like, I wish I would have better numbers. I should have like considered that before Are you done with that? So what happened? So after that happened, you were the most unhealthy out of all No, that's not kidding No, so I mean so Doug explained this to me how this because I was confused by this too like how this there's like a We did all we all did our stuff our blood work for our life insurance and stuff like that And there's they there's grading scales like you're the insurance guy explain to me how that works and what's good. What's bad How much of a difference that can make on your payment like super preferred or something like that? Yeah, there's like super preferred preferred standard super preferred the highest. Yes. What's the lowest? Well, there's rated policies. So you can have like a b c Table d type ratings. So for example, somebody's had cancer You're like seven years ago. They may be able to get a policy, but it's rated like table c or something So your price is way more so what they do is they add Basically the cost of insurance goes up. There's something called a flat extra where you add extra premium And of course the higher the rating the lower the cost of insurance per thousand dollars, you know, I know it's interesting about this So if you read about markers that predict your mortality The insurance companies actually do a damn good job in comparison to other You know ways of more of seeing someone's potential mortality over a period of time really they have to yeah, right? I was gonna say it's it's money in or money out They spend so much money on research and figuring out because it's competitive market, right? You're gonna go you're gonna compete compare Sorry for different life insurance companies and they want to give you the best price But they also have to profit otherwise. They're not gonna have a business So they are really good at figuring out How much you can pay versus what your mortality risk is and then what their profits are gonna look like, right? That's why they do the big physical they do all the tests And then so when they say you're preferred super preferred or whatever like if you go and if you ever want to know Like your risk of mortality. Yeah go try to get life insurance. They're actually really good That's like the real Deadpool, right? Yes, all the insurance companies like have your name out there like I don't know like yeah I'll give them another 10 years They have to because that's how they make their their money because if they're wrong Then they'll lose money or they'll get out competed by a company that does a better job Now Doug you did this stuff So are there certain ones that you know that like are really major obviously I think smoking is a big one I know you've said that before like yeah, so they ask all types of questions regarding like health things such as smoking Uh, you know, obviously your medical history such as diabetes cancer heart disease Yeah, but there's also other risks such as do you skydive? Do you go spelunking? You know, these are like crazy questions. Do you ride a motorcycle? They ask yeah, and so they actually have what's called mortality tables And these are like tables that say okay Based on these risk factors and your current age This is how long we anticipate you're gonna live and in order for our company to make a profit We need to charge this much for insurance So say you want to do a say a 10 or 15 year term policy for a million dollars That's very inexpensive. If say you're 35 or 40 years old For annual but the company's on the line For a million dollars from day one So they want to make sure that you're gonna at least make it past that 10 to 15 year mark on that policy Yeah, so they kiss. Yeah, because they don't want to pay out on a term policy In fact, they don't pay out on over like 95 or 97 percent of term policies Those are their cash cow there. So those mortality tables definitely tell them. Okay. Where where's this person at? How much should we charge him? And uh, they're they're in it for the profit, of course and and something as simple as as Justin's liver enzymes being a little bit off is enough to knock him down a whole category Or is it a lot of was it because of his stds and stuff in there that Crabs but I told them it was only there for their friendly crabs, you know Yeah, so I mean no really though. I mean, was is that enough to knock him down a whole category Yeah, so they're looking at like the elevated liver enzymes and they're saying okay This guy has something going on with his health even though is probably related to his exercise Yeah, this is exercise, uh, but but they're saying this is a risk factor and because of this we're going to Use our discretion And give him a lower rating. Yeah, but but if you can if you go back and say, okay I notice my ck levels are a little elevated But I do resistance training six days a week and then they look at everything else Then they'll say you're right because they have to consider certain things. Yeah, okay Yeah, when you exercise and you tear muscle down and all that kind of stuff and you have more muscle mass Your numbers will be a little different than the average persons And if they don't know that they're going to think that you're then those numbers look bad compared to the average You know the irony of that is I so I'm working out the least that of all of us right now And my my levels came back my blood work came back the best But in the past when I did it for like my hormone therapy my levels were and I was Consistently training like almost every day. They were off a little bit So it's kind of it's kind of like this little misleading. Yeah, because I mean I technically I just uh, you know Three months ago or whatever it was when I did my blood work for my hrt I would I would consider myself healthier than than I am now just because I was exercising even more than but The irony is that it threw my blood work off a little bit compared to and then all what does this say about the The percentage of people that exercise regularly that these life insurance companies work with right? Most of the people that they work with are just like most people They don't exercise regularly or definitely not with any intensity. Right. That's why uh body mass index, you know That's why they'll consider your weight. I mean if they don't know that we lift weights and work out And they just look at our weight though. You'll get you'll get something in the mail from kaiser Your obesity clinic that wants to put you on 1500 calories. I was like, what the fuck dude? You don't hit me while i'm down, you know a couple shots of the nuts That's so great, bro. I already get hammered at work about my fatness You know now kaiser's coming with a side shock push. Oh, you know what jesson? I wanted to bring this up to you, dude Dune oh bro. Oh, please don't share too much come on. There's no we're not gonna Confirmation why it was amazing, right dug. Have you watched it yet? I haven't okay waiting for that one. Okay. Yeah, that's right Okay, so one of the best movies. I think i'm gonna bring your credibility back up with your recommendations It's one of the best movies i've ever seen it is easily it is you guys you guys compare it to the matrix Yeah, so yeah, so you know why it was so good Because first off the way it depicted The future I think it did it in a way sometimes when they when when directors or whatever so you mean like it's good Because like I feel player one hit it out the park with something like that. It was so good It's like very believable. This is where we could remember dune is set in the year 10 000 Okay, so it's so far in the future Like play ready player one is like you could be believe that happening in the next 50 years, right? Yeah the year 10 000 You're trying to create a future that's you know, it's eight eight thousand years from now whatever Like that's crazy But what they did that was really interesting is the way that they incorporated culture with technology and Explaining the technology This is something that you're gonna find a lot of movies that they don't take the time to really describe like Why it's relevant why it's relevant. I'm wearing the suit and You know all the intricacies with that suit and like so they they took the time to explain their way through each One of these like tech items and it was like I just I I picked up on that the second time because I already watched it twice um But yeah, the other thing is like You know this author instead of going in the direction of like all tech like advancements Was like more of the human advancements like so Say that like, you know way in the future we figure out like telekinesis We figure out like psychic abilities We figure out like all these different ways of like improving our Evolvement of humanity like where does that lead like so it's just a different idea that I think is really cool But also you do see like really cool spaceships and like all that kind of stuff. Yeah the scale The scale is massive and I love the the story so The my other critique because I'm a big sci-fi fan and one of my big critiques with sci-fi is they focus too much on the imagery and not on the story or the or the tech is like ridiculous or Like it's like they'll put tech up for the sake of it like for example minority report There's some cool stuff in it, right? But then they show these big Massive awkward computer and just to show that you can move your hands Nobody would have a computer that I have to stand up and move like crazy to you just to make it look cool So when I see it I go they went overboard with that, right? This doesn't do that the scale is incredible and the story is really good Yeah, and it's so it's one of those believable. Yes, dude. It's gonna be epic bro. It's an epic film speaking of good stories I was so uh just a couple nights ago. I'm trying to catch up to you guys. I think now. Are you watching you yet? Yes, you are how far how far are you before you say anything? Where are you at? No? I'm on episode nine and I'm already having weird dreams because of this freak I had a dream the other night four or five in okay I had a dream that jessica and I murdered someone and buried them in the woods and I woke up and I was like You need to yeah I had weird dreams like that too. So it's uh, so anyways, uh I'm I think I'm on four or five now and I think justin started to bring this up But we just kind of like went over it really quick that it was surprised. So we're yeah surprising you guys did that Yes I had to apologize him this happens to justin by the way sometimes sometimes he brings up like really cool stuff And just because maybe salar I haven't read on it. I just don't sell it with it. Yeah, you gotta sell better Okay, good. Take some ownership here. I'll take all your stories better. Okay. Yeah, sure So your fault or you guys are just dicks. So we're we're watching right and Uh, we're down. We're downstairs max's asleep. We're watching or we're watching a couple episodes of you Katrina's on the computer and she's she's working at the same time like kind of half watching And uh, you know, I'm watching it and I'm like, oh get the fuck out of god And I'm like kind of barking at the tv and she's like what I'm like Are you not seeing what they're doing right now with measles? I'm like look how they're trying to draw this parallel with Spreading measles right now this the same thing that we're going through right now and she's like No, she goes. Oh my god. That's so funny because I literally was just she's like responding to emails with work and stuff She's all I we got this email from a fan and I wasn't going to waste my time sending it to you guys But maybe you want to see it now and I'm like, well, what is it? She's like it's someone's watching you and they they've heard us talk about it on it And they wanted to talk about this point of like how they're like targeting anti-vaxxers and like making it a big deal And they drew this parallel Oh dude, it just out of nowhere all of a sudden it took this kind of Turn that was so written in like it's because it's relevant for the times You know what's annoying about that whole conversation that This is the truth now not all vaccines are the same You're not either anti-vaxx or pro all-vaxx If you're a wise person You you look at them all individually measles vaccines are extremely successful You get one you have lifetime immunity. Yep comparing that to Other vaccines and saying that they're all the same is silly. It just really is so if somebody's doing that you're an idiot They're not all the same It's like saying all antibiotics are the same or all vitamins are the same or all whatever It's not that way. I mean it you could see how like in boldens Yes, you know that sort of tribal response of like, yeah, all these people don't give vaccines or fucking kelly Yeah, it's exactly why they threw that in there and You know and I get it too. It's it's it's good writing and in that they're they're you know, this is the climate right now And so they're sort of like presenting that as like how somebody would actually think about what's going on Well, also, yeah, it shows how like movies have a lot You know their narrative can really shift the way people Collectively think yes because you gotta think there's a big portion of people that aren't doing their own homework research They hear a little bit of stuff in the news, but then they're they're binging their favorite show Right. And so a lot of that just kind of it's subconsciously solidifies some of their beliefs without really knowing everything It's all corporate media. Okay, like for example, did you guys know that if you do a military movie? And you depict the u.s. Military in a good way That you can actually get money from the u.s. Government to support your film. Did you guys know that? I didn't know that. I mean that's probably not the case anymore, but yeah Well, let's be honest my point is that there's a narrative and it's there's it's corporate owned I'll give you guys another here's a great example. So okay based off of that theory. Do you think that a show like you? You know has an opportunity so they obviously wrote that script during this whole time right in the last year or two Right and in order to build that into and that probably with the writer wrote this story I doubt exactly was written that way, but they probably found a way to insert that into the storyline, right? And and does do you based off what you were saying? Do you think someone like netflix? Pays them more money to do that not pays more money, but I definitely think that they're saying hey Let's put this in there By the way nuance and is really I don't believe that happens. You say I do really yeah 100% here I'll give you a great example. Oh, here's the best example Have you guys seen this whole thing with uh, joe rogan and cnn? That's going on. Yeah with oh, what's his name? Yeah, so he hammered them and they went back and doubled down like don't like don lemon That's that is name. This is don lemon. Yeah, he keeps saying that iver mechton the horse dewormer. Okay This drug has been prescribed to a billion humans and was prescribed to humans way before animals And by the way, there's lots of drugs that humans use and animals use They obviously are painting a specific narrative and rogan is calling them out and they are losing right now They're totally losing because he pointed out the obvious I think that the narrative that they're trying to point is you either are anti-vax against all vaccines or you're pro all vaccines There's way more. Yeah, there's no there's no in between. Yeah, there's no room for nuance for anything But you okay, so I don't I don't disagree that that's like a that's a big narrative that's happening right now But I also am careful not to put my tin foil hat on and think that every single time I see it There's like behind the door deals going on like netflix going. Oh, yeah We're gonna pay an extra million because you built that into the storyline like you think that's happening Well, I'll tell you what here's what I think about netflix. I think that they had a show Uh that basically was soft core child pornography And had a single fucking person walked out and was on strike at netflix everybody was like, yeah, it's cool Dave chappelle a comedian goes up there and says some jokes that are offensive because he's a comedian and People staged walkouts and strikes. Yep. So you tell me. Yeah, but again, that's isn't that that's and that's the people working for And they have a narrative Absolutely, and their opinions just like any company. I definitely think that I'm not I'm not necessarily saying that there's like some emperor You know behind the curtain that's pulling all the strings But when you have a company like that Of course there's ideas that are getting preference, you know in terms of like priorities like in the forefront Versus others that they're trying to kind of like omit now You don't think that's a bias of us because we have an opposing view And so it seems like everything flies in the face of that. I don't care what my bias is. It's so clear It's silly sides though. That's the thing. I try to do that. It's so clear. It's obvious You know what reminds me of what was that uh that series that we watched that showed all those crazy sports scandals Uh, remember the one we saw with that sport bad sport. Oh bad sport with the referees. Okay. They were showing You know professional Series a I think it's called Italian soccer like one of the most the wealthiest most successful Leagues in the world and with some of the most successful teams in the world And there was this huge scandal Of people influencing referees and picking referees and doing this whole thing and it was wild and crazy And it's definitely true and proven When whenever there's a referee that actively plays a role in the game There's a huge incentive for that referee to be influenced. That's the bottom line. So to say it doesn't happen with corporate media And corporations aren't working in tandem or influenced by government back and forth is bullshit, of course Of course it is and it's so obvious. You know speaking of bad sport. Did you like that? I I mean I I know see this is why I've been you know I've been trying to get you to watch like 30 for 30s and some of these things because you'll enjoy the storyline You know, they did one. I watched one just like two nights ago Dude, I had this is crazy right here. So there I forgot the title I think it's called horse killer or something like that and there was this dude Who was known for killing race horses for the rich Because and this is how bad this is right. So insurance policy. Yes. Oh my god. So these horses now Here's the dirty part about this that that blew my they're doing it to to change $30,000 gaps Like it's not like it's not like it's not like it's a million-dollar horse and you and you have that horse killed and you cash out on a million It's like you get a horse you get you buy this race horse and it's a 250,000 150 so it sounded like most of them were somewhere between 150 and 250,000 dollars Maybe you could sell the 250,000 horse for 190 at the time, but he's he's dead. He's worth 250 And they have found ways to to kill the horse through a electrocuting them without it coming up on the autopsy as A form of murder it looks like a like a some sort of a stomach disease the way it current this the stomach Like something else that's common. Yeah, something else. It's very common horses And it's such it's such a common practice that this guy Did this for years and years for people And I you know, who knows if there's other people that have done it for him But they would literally do it to close the gap on like 20 or 30 grand. I was like, oh my god That's so terrible. They're probably like race horse. We've already studied it out And we've got the genetics now kill this one We'll make a little if it doesn't pan out the you buy this quarter million horse and then the first three races They can really tell oh that he's either got it or he doesn't have it And if he doesn't have it and you've already taken the insurance policy out and he's worth the quarter million He's worth more dead to you than he is alive. He's not going to go win races The longer he races the resell value is going to go down on him So you either got to sell it right now at a discounted rate or they kill him and he's worth that I thought man, that's so fucking awful speaking of which with animals you guys are seeing the news coming out with dr Fauci oh my the dogs Oh, dude of all the shit by the way that this guy heard the protest Do you know I have a Of all the you have a neighbor that still has a sign in their front yard that says we we believe in Fauci Well, how weird did they play? Why do you turn people like this or no? We trust Fauci is what it says. We trust. He's a human. Well. Yeah, but why would you again? This is a belief system now You're not going to critically go through empirical data and in news like brand new news that comes out that like undermines like everything He's that's such a powerful state. I don't trust anybody that I don't know. Yeah, like if you don't know someone personally Why would you ever come out forget Fauci anybody just anybody like you someone makes no sense to say that Okay, I could say I might say I like this person like I'm okay with that you asked me about this guy That I admire them. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about so-and-so? Well, I like him. He seems cool. This or that but I would never go. I trust him. Okay. Well explain Explain this study that that he conducted. Well, so First off, I find it interesting that of all the things that he's been tied to like, you know The way that they've gotten money for research the way he worked with This is the one that he's getting heat. Well, I mean people don't like it when you kill puppies And they don't care what side of the odd right for me. So so there was a there was a test where they took Beagle puppies and put their heads in cages and saw the picture had like these flies eat them alive Then they did another study where they took monkeys And they act they burned a part of their brain that would cause them to be terrified And then they present them with snakes and spiders to see how they just very inhumane animal studies And now he's gonna get destroyed over that those those people They people are okay with others share people still like oh, I got Fauci like, you know The sign the sign still up in this yard. That's wild. So, I mean, here's here's my quite We're so brainwashed. Here's the question. I have do you trust this person to babysit your kid? That's who I trust like I don't I don't give a fuck who they are Trust okay saying you like someone or your interest I mean, there's a lot of other words you can choose but to say that you trust someone that you don't even know That's such a it's wild. Yeah. Why would you do that? That's why? I mean those people who would have their kids spend the night with michael jackson and shit all the time I'm like give a shit how great his music is We're not on that level. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it should stress me. Yikes. Hey, you know what? You know what I'll tell you what uh speaking of stress speaking of stress Can I just tell you I the ned hemp oil capsules are incredible. They're they feel so good Yeah, I and they're so easy to take because they're in the capsule But I you know, it's funny. 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Well, I'd mellow dude mellow is be I mean and it wasn't like that until that product came out So that's one of their newer products But and I think it is because I was deficient I don't think that I was getting enough magnesium and I think that and I have by the way too I've tried like other good brands that have magnesium and it doesn't give me the same feeling as the the ned does I don't know if that's liquid versus capsule. I don't know if that's the amount of the dose that's in it Or the type of magnesium. It's the type in the dose if you take I used to take Magnesium citrate or whatever it's the one that fizzes and But basically you don't absorb it basically just acts like a laxative. So if you need a good laxative, there you go Yeah, I'm serious there Yeah, that does have that property because I remembered like trying to pitch that to somebody and they're like Oh, so I could like, you know, shit my pants. I'm like, no, no, it's not like that Have you guys stacked the mellow with the sleep before? Yes You want to go down, dude? Yeah, if I want to sleep like nine hours, then I'll do that Yeah, I won't do that every night But if it's a night where like I need to get to sleep coming back from Vegas or something Yeah, or like reset like oh my goodness that is like talking about, you know, I mean, I think I wake up sucking my thumb Drill on my pillow like, oh, that's it wake up. That was a good one, bro You ever do that? You wake up and you look in the mirror and you got like drool crust. Yeah. Oh, man That was last night for me, dude. I tell you what I woke up, bro And I had like three crazy ass dreams and the one was Jessica and I because I watched you I keep watching you. I murdered someone in the dream though We didn't murder the person. I just remember I was in the dream thinking and I was hanging out with her like I hope See, I wonder about that, dude, because like Subconsciously, you know, you keep taking in like some of these things these imagery Like I went through that with walking dead and I had to stop because it was like it stopped being about the zombies You know, like we got to kill these zombies. It became like people just slaughtering people. Oh my god You know, and I was just like, why am I watching this? This is affecting me. I had a dream too, but you know, it's weird that it wasn't gory scary dream It was like the planning of it Like that we were going to kill somebody and it's it actually didn't feel like a scary dream So that's what was so weird about watching you because I think they normalize it so much in there That it, you know, I it's it's you know, I watch a like a scary movie Which is rare But if I were to watch something like that like in that it another reason why I don't like watch them Is it does it'll affect and I'll have a scary dream wake up like sweating don't like it We're watching you. Yeah watching you doesn't make me scared But like it's definitely in there because I have dreams of like that But it doesn't feel like a scary have you seen all the memes that people are making with What's her name love the girl in there? No, no So she's like the epitome of like the crazy girlfriend or wife So it's like there'll be like the meme will say something like, you know When someone likes your boyfriend's picture on instagram and it's got a picture of her I was like, oh my god, she's just taking people out. That's great. So good Hey real quick. I hope you're enjoying the show. You got to check out one of our partners Paleo Valley. They have great paleo based supplements. Now one of my favorites Is their grass-fed beef sticks like this is really delicious stuff great macros made from 100% grass fed and grass finished beef Another product I like a lot is their bone broth protein Literally the most the excuse me the least process that should say protein powder I've ever seen in my entire life the ingredients literally say Bone broth protein nothing else. So it's really easy to digest There's no artificial anything no colors. No sweeteners. 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Yeah, so I did really well like in in the mile run Push-up contest like to sit reach abs like pull-ups We're just a grind Because you got that It just sucked and and it's always been inside would avoid it and come back to it avoid it And now it's just like it's a part of the routine by spite, you know, because I just don't want to be weak Yeah, you know what, you know, it's funny, uh with the presidential fitness test I did I crushed everything the one test used to always to piss me off was the seat sitting reach What a stupid fitness test Look at you suck at it. I don't care I crushed the run I crushed the push all the physical stuff Then you got to sit down and you got to go and reach as far as you can. Well, they got to give the gumby kid something Yeah, right made me so mad Maybe so mad it is the irony that that's probably your achilles heel today If you're probably the least flexible at all of us. No, I think flexibility I'm pretty good mobility is different though, but I got decent flexibility from jujitsu But my mobility is not that not that phenomenal It's a different story That's a different story You know, I would have to say the split stance lower body exercises Bulgarian split squat like that walking lunges back step lunges single leg exercises. They they're just I can get now. I enjoy them now because I've connected them to the I've played some mind games on myself With it. I've connected the benefit to the exercise which now makes me enjoy it It's like switch you do with vegetables, too It's like if I sit and like think of the taste of the vegetables and went But if I start to really connect the dots to the benefit then I start to actually enjoy the vegetables Split stance exercises. You can't go as heavy. I love heavy training You know, I like loading up the barbell. I like to feel like I'm you know packing on the muscle And you know when I'm doing those exercises, they just they're lighter. They require more balance I need to be slower with them But I've dedicated myself to them for a little while and I see the carry over So now that I've connected them the benefit I like them a little more, but I still don't enjoy them as much as like that's such a good point because I think that Most there's most exercises that I do on a regular basis I might have I probably hate it at one point But because I've gone through that process of okay regardless of me hating it or not I'm going to build into my routine consistently And then I've done it long enough that it's shown me the benefits from it that I've learned to like it I mean squats was like that for me at one point. Oh, wow great point You hated squat. I hated squats. It's like one of my favorite things to do If there's anything if I have a week where I do hardly anything I will definitely at least squat So, you know a lot of movements that I do on a regular basis at one point Now which because okay, here's the thing most people Hate the stuff that is most effective and most difficult Right. Most people like pull-ups are pretty hard. You know squatting is pretty hard Deadlifting is pretty hard overhead standing overhead press is hard You know, they're like, you know Turkish get-up card These are all hard movements and they also come with tremendous benefit And if you've done a good job of putting it in your routine consistently long enough It's probably paid you dividends and then you don't have the same feeling about it So it's hard to say this like it's hard to like what is it that I'm doing right now that I'm in there on a regular basis that I that I really hate doing but I continue to do it really well I mean pull-ups are probably the one that comes to mind the most Justin because I do go in and out Of these phases when I am doing pull-ups and I just came out of a phase of not doing them for a while And so I suck at them right now. So as soon as I see I suck at them and like, okay I'm going to fix this. I don't want to be that bad at pull-ups such a functional movement I love pull-ups one of my favorite exercises, but I think when you you know what you guys are bringing up good points Because we've been training for so long Um, I think you got to get past some of that stuff because you see the benefit You're like, well, this is why I'm doing it. Yeah, so I'm just gonna I would never do a standing before you guys I would have never done a standing overhead press on my own. It's not something I like to do at all Uh, I definitely wasn't even deadlifting before really. I would have never done the sled drives Never it would it felt too like it didn't give me the pump and it felt like I was like what I'm not gonna play football Or whatever hard and yeah, yeah like less roar But now I do it at least once a week if not twice a week because I'm starting to really see and feel The benefits that it's providing. Yeah, um, but you know, that's another good point You are going to go through cycles with exercises There's going to be times when you're not going to like an exercise and then times when you like like, you know, here's the deal Certain ways of working out I like when I'm trying to get lean and there's certain ways of working out that I like to do When I'm trying to build size and bulk like heavy lifting For low reps and uh, you know, long rest periods. It sucks when I'm getting lean because I'm just not as strong I'm not going to go out and squat or deadlift tons of weight when my calories are low So I tend to pair it with lighter weight in supersets Not because of the calorie burn or anything, but because I already not gonna I'm already not going to lift as much weight because I'm doing short rest periods Might as well do it when my calories are low, right? Well, that's the same. I mean, I I just got back into like kettlebell swings I hate it right now because I've just been if doing like no cardio no endurance training like nothing like that kind of explosive and it's Oh man, and it's very visible and and my body feels the lack of uh, Uh, you know work in that direction. So it's just one of those things like I even like well I should probably get back into these just because I haven't done them in so long I mean that's the takeaway from this is that no matter what it is that you hate doing you do it long enough You're going to see some tremendous benefit from it and that typically switches you hating it I think at one point a lot of the stuff that I do want to really miss and a lot of the stuff that I love Today, I hate it at one point. Yeah, so if you can discipline yourself to just be consistent Especially if you know, it's good for you, right? You know, it's a movement You know, it's a one of those movements that has so many benefits to it And you just have never been really consistent with it for long enough Stick with it and it'll probably end up turning into something you love Here's a little mind game you can because it's all about how you Perceive the movement and what part of it you're focusing on like if I'm focusing on Am I good at this exercise now? Then there's gonna be exercises that I'm gonna hate If I switch my mindset and fall in love with the improvement of the exercise so Not that I'm good or bad at it, but rather Wow, I can see that I'm getting better at and I fall in love with that part of it Then what ends up happening is these exercises that you suck at start to become your favorite Because the potential for improvement is so high in them Like the exercises that I'm already good at now My potential for improving on them is low. I've been doing them for a long time. I'm already good at them But if I go do an exercise I suck at I'm gonna get I'm gonna see improvements on a weekly basis And so if I don't focus on the fact that I suck at it, but rather the improvements Now I start to enjoy doing the exercise. So you have to you have to change your mindset reframe it. Yes Next question is from Cara M. McLeod What do you all do during rest times between sets? Send nudes to each other. Yeah It's always to each other. Sal does that dance. Oh, you're working flexing pictures all the time. You know, it's fun You know, I check this out Adam You know, I picked this question because and I when I first became a trainer I remember thinking this was the strangest thing ever But I trained client remember I we I came from a resistance training background Right, that's how I always worked out And I would train a client and then we would do a set and then we'd stop and they'd be like, okay What do I do? Well, what do I do now? Now what now? What do I do while I'm resting? Can I do something else? I remember being like no, you just you just rest that's the point Oh, I don't need to rest You I know it's not that you don't need to rest but the rest is what Is allowing us to target a specific adaptation if you don't rest We're training for stamina and endurance, which is fine if that's what you want But if you want strength muscle building the water is if you keep moving Yeah, so now that being said so in between sets You're not trying to exercise or anything, but what I like to do in between sets is read I like to read interesting articles or I like to write so sometimes My workouts will spark interesting thought for me and since I work out before the podcast I'll take notes. Oh, you know what? There's this thing about this about this exercise I want to talk about or Oh, yeah, I got that message from that person about that particular supplement and I'll write notes And that is a really cool feeling to be productive in between sets that way But I think the key is it really doesn't matter so long as you rest So long as you don't you're not getting your body tired I think it I think it matters. I think it matters quite a bit actually But I think it what matters most is what your desired outcome is from the workout, right? So there's times when I'm training for more for the mental aspect And just of the consistency of being healthy that I am then making progress in the gym So like there's like there's definitely two very clear differences of like how my Mentality going into the workout if if I'm on a kick like I just you know, okay I'm prepping my food right now. I'm gonna make some serious body fat change or strength gains I actually want my music in my ears. I don't want any distractions I don't want my phone nearby me and between resting periods. I'm actually focusing on my breathing. I'm just calming my heart rate down Already thinking about my next set and how much weight I'm about to grab and kind of keep an eye on the clock To see where my timing is and then boom. I'm in it like you're like you're focused I'm so focused on the lift and what I'm doing and it's all about optimizing that so I'm calming my my brain I'm bringing my breathing down making sure I'm getting really good rest before I get into the next one And then prepping myself getting psyched to go in like that's like, you know training at them I'm focused on making moves with my physique then there's you know other times where I'm probably more Like this right now where you know, I'm about optimizing my life and I'm about what's going on In our business and so I'm multitasking so I might be texting to you know Katrina something that's going on or one of you guys business stuff I might be reading an article in between my rest period may not be exactly right at 90 seconds Because I might be right in the middle of saying something at the 90-second mark And it might go to two minutes or whatever so and I don't think that there's necessarily something wrong with that so long as that your desired outcome at the time isn't so focused around Progress like it's okay to go work out and it's not always about I gotta add You know two more pounds of muscle or I gotta burn three more pounds of fat sometimes it's Just it's part of my routine of being a healthy a healthy fit dad and I can multitask and do That but so it really matters where what your desired outcome is going into it in my opinion Yeah, I have a very similar way approach rest with that in terms of like what I'm actually Trying to accomplish in the intent of it so if it is performance driven you know in Between is just that meditative empty mind so it's really for me it's just trying to Stay as present as I can and like not think about anything else going on and it's It's something I have to be disciplined with as I'm as I'm sitting there as I'm Just slowly walking around and keeping my heart rate calm It's just trying to focus on I try and focus on my heart rate. I try and focus on my breathing I try to then you know stare at one thing and just like you know let my mind just completely Empty all thought and then I go right back in you know and then accomplish my next set But other than that it's like you know sometimes it's restorative. I'm just trying to like just Chill in between or sometimes I'm trying to be creative You know and and so a lot of like cool ideas come to me like to Sal's point like I'll write them down You know if I'm in that sort of mindset sometimes it's their social You know components if I'm not taking the actual time in the gym as seriously in terms of you know trying to Move the needle forward. It's just more of a maintenance kind of a a phase for me So it just really depends on what that intent is going into the gym Yeah, another example that because I get people to ask a lot of questions about the especially right now the squat and scrolls Going all over the place, right? You know there was a time in a phase when I was really trying to make progress in that Like I was trying to get to a place where I was comfortable in this really deep squat And so rest period I could be doing dumbbell bench press and then I'd hop down on the ground and I'd you know get in that You know and I'd work I'd work down in that real deep position and subtle flex there. Yeah That was but really though that's uh at that time It was more important to me to get uh get better hip and ankle mobility than it was to increase my bench press So even though I'm in the middle of a bench press sat, you know, I'm getting ready to do my dumbbell press I'm so focused right now on my hip and ankle mobility That I'm hopping down for that 90 seconds and I'm and I'm working on my hip and ankle mobility So, you know, there's there's not like this rule of what you just but you have to know What is your main goal right now? Yeah, and you guys said like we would never do like cardio. Well, that's not necessarily true if my uh, if my If I really cared about just increasing my My work capacity and and my stamina that I cared about that at the time more than I even cared about Building my chest or building muscle you might you might actually do jumping jacks or something ridiculous in between sets Most people when their goal is fat loss or building muscle That's probably going to be counterproductive But if you cared more about building stamina, then you cared about building muscle burning fat Well, then it wouldn't be that bad of an idea to do things that are active when you're actually supposed to be resting So it really depends on the mindset going into the the programming when you do stuff I'm yet to try paul chex method. I think it's like really interesting where he paints in between And you know has like that artistic side of the brain kind of take over You know during the rest periods and then transitions back You know to getting after it. That's kind of what sal's doing. Yeah, when you think about it when sal's reading and then actually writing Content, I mean you're using a different side of the brain to do that Yeah, because the majority of my the benefit I get now from exercise is mental It's my it's the mental aspect of it that I do it mainly and so I want to see paint is the point Okay, yeah Next question is from anil p fitness white rice versus brown rice. Is there really a difference? So glad you brought this up because this why this gets asked a million times. So, okay Brown rice is a whole grain. It's got the the you know, the germ over it and the the hole or whatever That makes rice difficult to chew or okay. Does that make it healthier? No, in fact It reduces its bioavailability and increases the odds at which it's going to cause potential gut issues So this is where what we've learned through mainstream, you know, baloney You know health and fitness advice is totally wrong. Yes on paper. It's got more more fiber and whatever Therefore it should be better. No Just like a rock is full of minerals, but if you eat a rock, it's not going to improve your health Brown rice actually is harder to digest can cause more issues and cause more potential gut issues and There are things in brown rice called anti nutrients. It actually doesn't it strip you of nutrients It could actually reduce the the the absorb ability of certain nutrients White rice is a far better now people think well What we got to take something off of food to make it healthier. Yeah, okay We just did we did a recent podcast where we talked about how vegetables and plants have You know certain components in them to make them more difficult to digest as a defense mechanism This is what the carnivore advocates talk about all the time They say that oh plants have defense mechanisms. Therefore, they're bad for you, which they go too far with that Yes, there are defense mechanisms and plants, but that's why we process them and we cook them And one of the things that we discovered as humans is that if you just eat the white rice and you boil it It's very white rice is very easy to digest. It's one of the It's one of the foods that is really low on the scale of potential food intolerances It's a great source of starchy carbohydrates You try to eat the same amount of rice and make it brown And a lot of people have gut issues from it or start to notice problems So the difference between the two in in terms of application White rice is easy to eat much easier to digest and probably better for you From a nutrient perspective in the sense that it doesn't reduce your absorb Absorbability of certain nutrients not to mention it tastes way better and it tastes way better And if you flip the back or over and you look at the macros it's like you're splitting hairs Yeah, it's all they're almost identical what you're what you're getting from a nutrient level And it tastes better. I remember when I first learned that a long time ago I never looked I used to be a brown I remember in my early 20s. I thought brown rice was healthier And so I was eating brown rice with everything and you know Chewing it down going like this tastes like shit eating it Found that out and was like, oh my I never looked back. I never again did brown rice. I think it's ridiculous Like so unless you're some weird person who actually thinks that brown rice tastes better than if that's the case And by all means but it's your splitting hairs the difference. You still see it like Chipotle or one of these like, you know restaurant chains will will all of a sudden promote Because the consumer brown rice versus white rice and it's it's it's just still something that's out there that's Portrayed as like the healthier option, you know, it's like that too, uh sweet potato french fries versus regular french fries You think that you're getting this is healthier thing But they're both deep fried and when you actually look at the the macro difference on it The fries will actually be a little bit lower lower calorie One thing that I noticed there's this, you know, we know sweet potatoes healthy So you just you think that's a better sweet potatoes for me personally easier to digest Believe or not white white potato can sometimes cause a little bit of gut issues Yeah, so it's phytic acid is what it's called in brown rice that That reduces the absorption of certain vitamins and minerals and in fact In some in third world countries, by the way, they don't eat brown rice They eat white rice because they find in a lot of third world countries Obviously their food intake is low and challenged and they don't have lots of variety And they find when they eat lots of brown rice that the children would develop nutrient deficiencies and it wasn't until they switched to white rice that they solve this issue. So Now that being said again, if you know, if you like brown rice, that's fine go for it But if you're thinking that it's this healthier option, it's not white rice is for most people probably better Next question is from billy b3. How much sugar day is too much anything over 27.25 You know what's funny about this that's close to a number I used to try and keep my class 25 was the number it depends on the person But I will say this here's what the studies will actually show the The amount of sugar that you eat Doesn't really matter as much as if when your calories are low, especially if you're in a deficit if you're in a deficit Sugar doesn't have like this crazy negative effect. It's when you're in this calorie surplus That you start to see problems with lots of sugar. Now that being said, I will say this Sugar in my experience with clients Does stimulate the appetite in a particular in a very interesting way So if I have a client that's like, hey, I read the studies It's funny because lane likes to actually counter that argument He does but my experience is not like that now I know it's usually sugar in combination with that that causes the you know the palatability and all that stuff But in my experience, I've had clients who've done this They're like, hey, look, these were these were like doctors who read the studies and like cell In this study, it showed that high sugar low calorie Blood markers improved. There was no difference between that and a diet that was low on sugar And I said, okay, give it a shot and let me know how you feel and sure enough They came back and they're like, yeah, my appetite is all over the place And it's harder for me to eat lower calories than when I eat more complex carbohydrates And more fats and proteins. So that's the one thing I will say But you know sugar in a high calorie in the context of a high calorie diet Can have some pretty inflammatory effects In a lot of people and cause maybe potential issues with insulin Resistance you guys have any experience my my experience with my clients with this is that if I'm if I'm Coaching a competitor who's weighing and measuring and tracking their food So long as we stay within their parameters and the guidelines I give them Then allowing them to have sugar in the diet is no big deal So long as they're following their parameters and they're and they're sticking to that If I am trying to teach a client to kind of intuitively intuitively eat or just change some behaviors One of the first go to things I do is actually cut back almost all sugar intake Because I find that when I don't do that clients do tend to overeat What what what the mechanism that does that? I can't tell you I can't tell you Exactly what's happening that causes people to do that. It's just I've experienced that with so many Behaviour things and myself enough times That I just like if I allow a little bit of sugar in my in my diet, would it be just like I decided let's say You know yesterday I was moving around a lot and I could totally afford to have that You know 300 calories of of sour patch candy and I haven't had something like that and forever And I have that something that I can guarantee happen is that night all of a sudden I want ice cream or the next day all of a sudden I want a soda like it I my cravings change the minute I introduce it into into my diet Now I start to crave that and it just and it doesn't mean that I can't it doesn't mean I can't get buff Still or get shredded and still insert those things in the diet. It just makes it harder for me It's like now I have this other thing that I have to do It's already hard enough to restrict calories and stay in this this calorie intake and exercise on a regular basis Oh now when I allow sugar to occasionally come in there now I'm also battling this craving thing that I know you'll versus when I eliminate it And I stick to all whole foods and I don't have any the only sugar I'm getting is from from natural sources like fruit whole fruit. Yes. Not fruit. That's right When I if I'm only getting there I don't battle these things and the moment that I allowed in there Even if my calories are low and it's not going to affect me and put fat on my body Now I'm battling that craving and so for me that's enough to Coach clients when I'm teaching them. Hey, let's if that's not something you have to have in the diet Let's get rid of that shit. Yeah for me. I mean, it's it's just a behavior thing It's it's something that you know evolutionary we've been hardwired to be rewarded like that that signal is is a massive Loud signal of reward and it's it's like, you know, once you introduce that signal You know, it's just a natural response of like wanting to introduce that back and like keep that into the routine Because it's it's something that just hardwired wise like it's we're going to be fighting that a lot that that response And so it's it's a very strong A signal and in regardless of this like this nuanced talk that you know A lot of people get in this debate on whether or not it's bad for you or it's toxic or it You know, it leads to all these diseases whatever all that stuff like granted like calories are big You know proponent of this in terms of like it having more weight You know if you're over your calorie limit and and having sugar in there It's probably more You know of a problem than you know if you're under calories and it's in there But at the end of the day behaviorally Like this is just something that you're just going to continually fight and it could you know Like take over a majority of what you're consuming. The other thing it changes the way fruits and vegetables taste for me That's the other thing I don't like about it. So if I allow let's say I always kept my calories Under my, you know, my maintenance. Um, so I'm losing body fat But I every day I eat sour patch kids in there My apple and my vegetables taste different They do not have the same taste as if I were to have no added sugar into my diet and then I eat those things So part of why I don't like it either was I remember the first time that I cut sugar out for an extended period of time And then actually bit into an apple, you know, or had some asparagus So that the food that food actually tastes richer to me when I'm not adding any sugar If I'm letting sugar in the diet on a regular basis, it changes my palate Yeah, the sweet the perception of sweet is very powerful and it it can definitely you definitely build a tolerance to it don't you um And everybody experiences this again if you eat lots of sugar, you'll find that sweet in fact Artificial sweeteners are several hundred or thousands of times sweeter Than sugar And I've worked with enough clients who have had lots of artificial sweeteners and prefer the flavor of them to sugar Because it's actually sweeter. I've actually had people tell me that when they drink a soda with sugar It doesn't taste as good as the diet coke And I think it has to do with my personal opinions that have to do with that perception of uh of sweetness I mean evolutionarily speaking just and you know sugar In its natural forms was probably pretty rare. Okay, so Finding lots of fruit Not that you actually planted and I'm talking about before agriculture when for most of the time humans are on earth Pretty rare that you'd walk around and find A Apple growing or some berries and by the way the apples and berries and fruit that we have today has been modified And bread to be much higher in sugar Apples were full of seeds that was very little meat You know strawberries looked very different for size too by the way. Yeah, and it were nearly as sweet We I mean carrots near not nearly as sweet like everything was not nearly as sweet So it was one of those things that was we just didn't get a lot of I mean honey Maybe but honey you had to go kill like battle a bunch of bees In order to get to it and if you look at you know modern hunter gatherers It's a big deal to get honey. It's just not something you see quite common and but it's but it's a very quick Source of energy So it makes sense that it would trigger these behaviors in us or these feelings that we we're going to go seek it out Because it's a very you know quick source of energy So that's that's for me. I see that it changes people's behaviors But the studies do show that all the negative effects that come from sugar if your calories are low And you're getting adequate protein and fat not nearly as big of a difference when your calories are high though High sugar plus high calorie Yes problematic that starts to look like it causes lots of problems and the people I find that are most staunch about defending sugar Are addicted it that's I swear to god It's like you really have products to try to sell that have a like what like what I see Lane always talks about this stuff right so he's he's he defends sugar a lot because How many people have demonized it right which i'm not pro that either right i'm not pro demonizing sugar either But it making people aware of it's Addictive properties or how it could change the cravings or change your power I think it's very important and the people that get behind them like yeah Fuck those guys and then you click on their thing and there's like videos of them doing sour patch kids That's some deadlifts and like dude you're so funny. You know our donuts every single day It's like people want to it's like the whole squatting thing telling people not to squat I hate that I don't like that messaging and I remember when we first met lane That was one of the things that we would challenge him a lot on is that it's not that I think he's wrong I actually he's right what he's saying is right But I also come from the place of training a lot of people regular people That are trying to create better behaviors in their life And could you do it with having sugar added sugar and candy every once in a while? Absolutely. Is it going to be more difficult? Fuck yes, it will. Yeah. Yeah, usually the people eat a lot of sugar are not getting it from whole fruit Are they they're getting it from from other things and I tell you what It definitely feels different to eat 70 grams of processed sugar in candy or in a soda than having a You know starch 70 grams of starchy carbohydrates. It feels different on the body I think most people would agree with that. It gives you totally different feeling. Yeah Look, if you like our information head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our free guides We have guides for fat loss and muscle building. We have exercise specific guides And much more again, it's mind pump free.com. You can also find all of us on instagram So justin is at mind pump justin. I'm at mind pump sal and adam is at mind pump adam