 So my name is Jennifer Urkelwater, I'm a professor of political science at the University of Richmond. My scholarship focuses on the politics of poverty, social security, and disability politics, current work involves trying to understand why people of color seem to be missing in debates about disability rights. What would people find surprising about your work? You know, and it's not that the absence of people of color were surprising because I kind of knew that, just studying the politics of it, I wanted to figure out why that was the case. And so I think the thing that was surprising is that they're, I kept expecting looking at the politics of it that there would be some point when people would either realize this is a problem and make a concerted effort to fix it, or that people would just mention it. You know, I think that it was, it was just really surprising, going back through the history and the politics of it, that absence is just continual. What motivates you to keep doing the research that you're doing today? I just find it really interesting, right, that you have a, I have a puzzle. Nobody's ever thought about it before. I want to know the answer to it. And at some of, I feel like it's relevant, you know, even though you're, you know, I've gone all the way back to thinking about the early debates about the Social Security Act, right. So some of the things that I've researched reach all the way back to the 1930s and the 1940s. But that, that the politics of that is relevant today. What's the one thing you would want people to take away from your research? It's really hard to be inclusive, like really, really, really hard to stop and think about the way in which issues are framed and represented to stop to do that and then stop and think, but who's not at the table, right.